The Best Of Jaguar and Alfa - But Which Should You Pick? Duetto Spider Vs Jaguar E-type

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Number 27

Number 27

Жыл бұрын

Both cars were made in the 60s, the Alfa Romeo Duetto Spider has a dainty little 1600cc 4 cylinder engine, against the Jaguar E-Type 3.8 L inline six, yet in terms of price they were competitors at the time. Can the Alfa Duetto Spider Match Or Even Best The Iconic Jaguar E-Type? Today I try both and find out which one makes the best classic..
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@nearlythere9443
@nearlythere9443 Жыл бұрын
I own a 1972 S2 Spider Junior, so am a little biased. In 2019 we did a trip to Italy and back in it with the Alfa owners Club. A truly memorable experience.
@alexfuentes7877
@alexfuentes7877 Жыл бұрын
I have a guilia spider, and have owned a mk2 and an 67 s type. The cost of ownership is one thing that you omitted in your review, my Alfa spider is so cheap to maintain compared to 60’s jags. They also don’t need to be driven as often to keep up and running. With the Alfa I have no hesitation driving it after a year of sitting.
@nigelk780
@nigelk780 Жыл бұрын
I’m restoring a 1750 version of the s1 duetto. Having spoken to an owner of both he preferred the duetto. However despite all this I would have the jaguar for its looks mainly if it wasn’t for the cost now. The Alfa really was far more advanced in many ways. Bit of a shame you didn’t have a mint one vs the e type.
@boyracer3477
@boyracer3477 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is the Jag's looks that have raised it's vintage price. Enzo was right about that.
@thomassuit7450
@thomassuit7450 Жыл бұрын
@@boyracer3477 And the Jag is genuinely fast. Also, the Jag's suspension can be upgraded via shocks and bushings to tighten it up.
@Coolbeans1492
@Coolbeans1492 9 ай бұрын
@@thomassuit7450but so can the alfa. Its also got greater after market support to increase power as well. The engines that went into these werent the top tier alfa engines..
@thomassuit7450
@thomassuit7450 9 ай бұрын
@Coolbeans1492 True, there is all kinds of support for the Alfa. My point about the Jag being a genuinely fast car is that stock, it was a 150 mph car. It was designed to race at Le Mans. Yes, you can tune an Alfa Spider to be faster. Equally, you can tune an E-type to be faster. That said, a tuned Alfa Spider is probably more fun on a windy road.
@Coolbeans1492
@Coolbeans1492 9 ай бұрын
@@thomassuit7450 thing is even back then if you wanted a fast alfa you wouldn’t go for the spider then you had the sprint and gtas
@johnrodgers6049
@johnrodgers6049 Жыл бұрын
cost aside, I think the better comparison is a mid-sixties Triumph TR4 to the Alfa Romeo. I have had both a 1966 TR4A and an a 1966 Alfa Romeo GTV. The technology of the AR far surpassed the Triumph and the drive of the AR is so much more exciting (The Triumph is somewhat agricultural). To this day, I find the Alfa to be the perfect car for fun driving on the road (as opposed to the track). It moves around in corners, you can run through the gears without getting into illegal speeds and it keeps you on your toes. For me, a lightweight, small displacement car is the sweet spot.
@philipdubuque9596
@philipdubuque9596 Жыл бұрын
I would buy the Duetto in a heartbeat. The fun factor of using "all the power all the time", and the greater degree of driver involvement (the live real axle notwithstanding), would seal the deal. Not to cast aspersions on the grandtouring manners of the E-type - it is a phenominal vehicle - but the more sporty nature of the Alpha driving experience win's my vote. Another entertaining and instructive comparison. Well done Jack!
@sdfswords
@sdfswords 9 ай бұрын
Me too on the Alfa, dad had the XKE for a bit, it was a handful, would overheat, short out on Lucas electrics, and was dangerously twitchy in the curves. A beautiful girl with a borderline personality.
@wokeybrokey8006
@wokeybrokey8006 Жыл бұрын
when Enzo said it was the most beautiful car he had seen....jag every time ....the Spider is lovely but no contest
@hankwilliams5622
@hankwilliams5622 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari never made the statement and it has been proven to be folklore beyond any doubt. The Duetto is prettier and more artistic than the E-Type, whose lines are disproportionate, eccentric and weird looking. It looks like a cross-eyed, toothless catfish, whereas the Duetto looks like a perfect teardrop shape with a MUCH prettier nose and a rear fender line that is more congruent with the nose and middle. The only advantage the E-Type has is in the interior, which is more luxurious that the Alfa, however the Alfa's engine, brakes and gearbox have a much better design....
@ryanmccormick2150
@ryanmccormick2150 Жыл бұрын
I think back in the day most people would buy the Jag over the Alfa just on power alone! Never mind bringing looks into the equation.... Jag wins in my opinion. Cracking stuff Jack 👍
@dale4853
@dale4853 Жыл бұрын
Wins.
@ryanmccormick2150
@ryanmccormick2150 Жыл бұрын
@@dale4853 👍
@boyracer3477
@boyracer3477 Жыл бұрын
Roughly 15,000 Duettos to about 18,000 T-Types. Very close really ....
@cameronrichardson3108
@cameronrichardson3108 Жыл бұрын
I agree and I’m a serious Alfista but the jag is just soo cool and that straight 6 xk engine is amazing as much as I love the Alfa nord twin cam
@oohmeconkers1968
@oohmeconkers1968 Жыл бұрын
I suspect the E-type is like living with a super model, great to look at but mostly a nightmare. They are cramped, build quality was suspect and they are pricey to keep on the road. The Alfa is pretty, affordable a great drive and doesn't get the attention an E-type would. I have sat in an E admittedly it was a fixed head, I was surprised how close the screen was and how little room there is, I am just over 6 foot and I didn't like the experience. My friend has a restomod one and he never drives it despite it having modern brakes etc too cramped, too much attention and too expensive to leave it in Tesco's car park. It sits in his garage ....leaking. I think the Alfa would be a better real world choice for me anyway. Great film as always Jack and nice to see a period comparison.
@GrandeCapo_PallaPesante
@GrandeCapo_PallaPesante Жыл бұрын
It was the price in UK, but in Italy the E Type was much, much more expensive than the Duetto. At the time there were heavy taxes on export and the prices are not easy to compare.
@johnscarsandstuff
@johnscarsandstuff Жыл бұрын
No customer E-type had 265bhp, Jaguar lied. About 220bhp was closer to the truth. Also the E-type's independent front suspension is sprung by torsion bars, a torsion beam is quite different and found at the back of some front-wheel drive cars. With the Moss gearbox it's always best to go into second before selecting first, reverse is left and forward but there isn't much distance between reverse and first, so many an E-type has unexpectedly departed in the wrong direction. Also going into second from neutral stops the layshaft from spinning and means you shouldn't get a crunch going into 1st. Also the Moss box will not be rushed. Jaguar's all-synchro box is easier to live with. I wonder if there was something wrong with "your" E-type, I've driven several and none have had sloppy steering, although it is tyre sensitive (ideally good quality crossplies). As for the Alfa, it might have a live axle, but the axle is well located so not necessarily such a disadvantage. Seeing the Duetto reminded me of a drive I had in a Giulia Sprint Speciale, which was a 1300 with a peaky cam. That needed rowing along with the gear lever but really gave you the "mini-Ferrari" vibes. I think I'd prefer the Alfa, given the price difference, it's more likely that I could afford one.
@martinrichardhorrocks9869
@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Жыл бұрын
Intelligent and well-informed comments! And interesting that the Alfa is now the bargain buy as the original late 60s market value propositions have swapped round completely. I love Alfas and have had a nice 2.0 Spider but I would not pay a significant premium for a Duetto or 1750 Kamm tail. I think that the Alfa Spider´s reputation now is higher than at any point in its lifetime, where cost, quality issues and rust devalued them very quickly.
@martinrichardhorrocks9869
@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliment. I also like Alfas because they are solidly engineered and designed. Alfa owners are pleasingly open to modifications and uncaring about matching numbers. I agree that others should pay the fashion premium for Duetto and early Kamm tail spiders. A few simple tweeks to an S3 and you have a very competent sports car, hope you continue to enjoy yours.
@albanana683
@albanana683 Жыл бұрын
The 1750 engine is really the sweet spot for this era of Alfas. Once you upgrade to polly bushings, stiffer springs, and Koni adjustables you'll find a different car.
@tipring6956
@tipring6956 Жыл бұрын
I have always loved the looks of the Jag in both convertible and coupe form. That said, I've had a 67 Duetto for 20 years, and just love the car. I've replaced the 1.6L with a high performance rebuilt 2L, and the car is spritely enough for my needs.
@UberLummox
@UberLummox 11 ай бұрын
Coupes look amazing! And the roadster looks best with it's hardtop snapped into place.
@ciscoytube5352
@ciscoytube5352 Жыл бұрын
This is such an unfair comparison. Obviously The Graduate is a better movie than Austin Powers.
@yannikavadas1490
@yannikavadas1490 Жыл бұрын
Hang on . Austin Powers drove a , Shaguar .
@horvathr95
@horvathr95 Жыл бұрын
Why is it unfair, if both cost the same back in the 60s?
@bernardboka4277
@bernardboka4277 Жыл бұрын
Umm. Yes. But Shakespeare, Churchill, The Beatles…. And Jaguar. The E type made Enzo himself cry.
@ChristianRThomas
@ChristianRThomas Жыл бұрын
@@bernardboka4277 It captures me more as I get older, too. I would always have gone for any of your cars, or a Spider 2000, in my twenties, but the E-type's originality and timeless beauty has become impossible to ignore.
@oscarpimentel3315
@oscarpimentel3315 11 ай бұрын
This model of shape come since 1950 in models Alfa Romeo and protótipos never factores Very futuros with top in plaxiglass designed Pininfarina, interesting tô see airdinamic lines for years.
@sdfswords
@sdfswords Жыл бұрын
Had a minty 1967 Duetto Spyder for $2000 while at Uni, one of my favorite cars ever. A fun, nimble and quite reliable little machine, never left stranded like my Austin Healeys. Graduated on to German cars, but that little Alfa has a special place in my heart.
@dandare1001
@dandare1001 10 ай бұрын
"Graduated"? 😀
@raymondchan9802
@raymondchan9802 Жыл бұрын
I would take that Etype all day...its British style at its best, its just so stylish!
@jonetto
@jonetto Жыл бұрын
have you ever compared E-Type to 1952 Alfa Romeo Disco Volante? both coupe and spider.
@barryphillips7327
@barryphillips7327 Жыл бұрын
I would Not even look at the Alfa, the E type is MORE beautiful in EVERY way NO QUESTION about it, NO contest!!!!!!!
@Petrospect
@Petrospect Жыл бұрын
Every single component of the E-Type could be hung in a museum. I can't say that about the Duetto.
@barryphillips7327
@barryphillips7327 Жыл бұрын
Artwork on wheels, beauty style sexy awesome sound, the 3.8 was Better engine than 4.2.
@richardcarter1000
@richardcarter1000 Жыл бұрын
Great review. I ran a 71 1750 Spyder for 10 years, then traded it for a 65 S1 4.2 E-type, which I've now run for 23 years! Very fair review. The Alfa is delicate buzzy, alive, loads of character. I loved it. The E-type is a super GT really. Way faster, you can feel it's Le Mans origins. Good ride. I've taken mine over the Alps four times, even driving back from Milan to Dorset in 24 hours once. A couple of the best cars ever made.
@rcclassicgarage
@rcclassicgarage Жыл бұрын
Great video Jack, I own both an Etype and a Duetto, so was really looking forward to the video and you covered both cars well. It would be very hard for me to favour one over the other.
@UberLummox
@UberLummox 11 ай бұрын
Apples to olives haha!
@juhoarens3122
@juhoarens3122 Жыл бұрын
Had both the 1750 Duetto with Webers, in red of course, and a 2000 GTV with fuel injection at the same time. The 1750 revved easier and sat lower down so it was much more of a sports car. This sports car feeling was heightened by having a roll bar and competition seat belts. Loved driving it to Ana Ruby Falls in northern Georgia. My mechanic in Georgia was Paul Sproul who raced a Duetto and won D Production in it. Immediate prior car was a 61 Porsche Roadster (BRG) with the 1600n and Abarth straight thru exhaust that shot out blue flames when downshifting. Also had and enjoyed a Lotus Elan 130 +2 Big Valve which was by far the best handling of the bunch but not the most practical as an only car for a young married couple. It was especially thrilling to take the Lotus down Storrow Drive in Boston late at night with little or no traffic. However, I loved the Alfas so much I bot the last true Alfa made as an independent manufacturer; the Milano Verde with a 3.0 liter engine. Out of all of these, I kept the Alfa 2000 GTV which had the distinction of bringing 2 generations of my family to the hospital - forget about this nonsense of babies being carried in by Storks, in our family babies were brought in by Alfas.
@jimspackman8527
@jimspackman8527 10 ай бұрын
You'll be pleased to know that Paul Spruell is still around. I'm sending parts for a Spider build to his son Todd at the moment.
@juhoarens3122
@juhoarens3122 10 ай бұрын
@@jimspackman8527 Thanks for that update. I still have the GTV, actually my son has it now,. It was converted to Webers a few years back because the FI needed rebuilding. And that GTV was rebuilt by the son of the mechanic/salesman who sold me the car back in the early 70's. So the community of Alfisti is still stron.
@ChristianACW
@ChristianACW Жыл бұрын
Two real icons 😍 I have been alfista for 20 years - from Alfasud to Alfetta GTV - and the sound of the bialbero still gives me goosbumps! But as I grew older I became a Jaguar-Fan and today I'd take the E-Type! I don't care how it drives - just give me the sound and the looks... and this convertible would look wonderful beside my XK8 Coupé 😉 Great video as always! Please more Jags 😉
@CodyAlfa
@CodyAlfa Жыл бұрын
As the owner of a restored 1967 Duetto, I can attest to how fun they are to drive. You feel like you’re flying and look down at the speedo to find that you’re 10 under the speed limit. The engine is incredibly reliable. I even used the car as a daily driver for six months. I would love to drive an E-Type from the same era. I’ve always loved their looks. Owners I’ve spoken with do talk about how finicky they can be, and the frequency with which they are in the shop.
@albanana683
@albanana683 Жыл бұрын
When I look down at the speedo of my 1968 spider, I'm not just under the limit, I'm noting that I need to get a new speedo cable.
@Mike-rk8px
@Mike-rk8px Жыл бұрын
I’ve owned a ‘72 and an ‘85 Alfa Spider, and right now I own a 1987 GTV6 (incredible engine and sound). My father always had Jaguars, and he owned 5 different E-Types over the years (he’s a Jaguar mechanic) and they’re great cars to drive, the handling is amazing considering their age and length. The biggest surprise with the E-Type is the sheer force of acceleration when you stand on it, it just shoved you back in the seat in way that you don’t expect. The downside is the insane complexity of the engine and chassis, and the amount of maintenance and repairs it requires. Even by English car stands, it’s a real pain in the ass to keep on the road. The Alfa spiders are a blast to drive at any speed, and they sound and look gorgeous. Then again, I’ve never driven an Alfa that wasn’t a lot of fun, even the 4 door sedans are amazing to drive fast. They’re also much cheaper and easier to maintain and repair than the E-Type. The biggest problem with Alfa’s is rust: you have to keep them dry. I live near Palm Springs, California so I don’t have to worry about rust, and all of my Alfa’s were daily drivers.
@CodyAlfa
@CodyAlfa Жыл бұрын
Mike, you are right about the rust. I hold title to 7 Duettos, all of which I needed to graft together one rust-free car. I now live in Wyoming in a dry climate with no road salt.
@paulfrere7902
@paulfrere7902 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video, definitely felt a tinge of envy watching you driving them both on a sunny Autumn day! :-) I had the impression you were often reaching for a phantom 5th gear in the E-type ? I hope driving them was as enjoyable as it looked on camera. Think I would choose the Duetto as It might be a slightly more versatile classic.👍
@AdamTownsend343
@AdamTownsend343 Жыл бұрын
Loving these videos. The roads you're always driving are very local to me and I can understand why you use them for the vids; if you know them well they're great to drive. Great little Alfa, but you just can't beat the sound and torque of the XK straight 6. Keep up the great content!
@Number27
@Number27 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam!!! Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
@cheftush
@cheftush Жыл бұрын
Throw a Triumph TR5 in there for comparison or even a well sorted TR4/4A…..
@marcmenton8063
@marcmenton8063 Ай бұрын
Alfa would trounce triumphs
@cheftush
@cheftush Ай бұрын
@@marcmenton8063 mmm don’t think so.
@marcmenton8063
@marcmenton8063 Ай бұрын
@@cheftush i know so
@cheftush
@cheftush Ай бұрын
@@marcmenton8063 well, we disagree and that’s ok.
@dantheman7357
@dantheman7357 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jack, I like the Alfa a lot, but I LOVE the Jaguar . I have had the pleasure of driving the XKE 4.2s and also an XKE V/12. I will always remember the joy of driving them. I never did quite buy one though. At the time I was looking they were expensive if you found a good one. I will treasure my time in the cockpit of the XKE's. Thanks for the excellent video.
@markcollins457
@markcollins457 Жыл бұрын
It's not fair to ask to pick one over the other. I don't have a dog in this race but my dream sequence shows both of these lovely vehicles parked in my imaginary driveway. Thank you very much!
@ramarren
@ramarren 7 ай бұрын
You ask the question, 'which would you buy?' Back in the day, I was lucky enough to have owned both ... if not exactly the same models, close enough. I had a '66 Jaguar XKE 4.2L and a '71 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce 1750. I had the Alfa first, my high school dream car, bought it secondhand when it was barely two years old for rich price of $4000. I *loved* that car, drove it everywhere (Canada to Florida, New York to Maine, to Chicago, to Louisiana, etc). I bought it with an engine gone bad from neglect (although I didn't know that at the time), rebuilt the engine with help from a friend, and beat the living daylights out of it afterwards. It always worked perfectly after the rebuild. I upgraded the suspension just a hair with Koni shocks and a slightly rejiggered pair of front and rear anti-roll bars, juggled around different tires on the stock rims, and otherwise left it stock. It just flat worked and never put anything but a smile on my face. The interior was slightly uprated from the Duetto with a bit of a center console and slightly nicer rubber mats, slightly nicer seats, but it was otherwise the same car. I fell in with a bunch of old friends somewhere along the line who hung out with a guy who specialized in servicing Jaguar cars. I needed work, he taught me mechanics, and he took in some jobs for me and another guy to do. I worked on FIATs and Datsuns, an occasional Alfa, but I did a lot of Jaguar cylinder head overhauls and such. Based on driving his Jaguar Mark II shop rat, I wanted an E-type for the lovely motor, never mind the sex appeal of the body. Eventually I sold the Alfa and found myself a slightly beat '66 XKE 4.2L. I think it cost me about $1500 or something like that. I learned a lot of mechanics shaping it up ... did a clutch, brakes, cylinder head, learned to tune its carburetors, brought it to good mechanical if somewhat rough cosmetic shape. And enjoyed the heck out of it. But. It wasn't the same as the Alfa Romeo, I wasn't in love with it as much. It worked, it was fast, but it didn't feel the same. Other things happened in my life, I sold the Jag to a friend, had a couple other cars, eventually sold most everything but a motorcycle and moved from NY to California in an old Dodge van. And the years piled on, I was busy, I had other cars and then bought a new Toyota MR2 in '85. That became my main ride for a long time. As the later '90s arrived, I found myself dreaming about my old Alfa Romeo Spider. One day, a friend who'd had an accident in another car decided she was too terrified to drive an open car anymore and I bought her '78 Spider from her. The '78 2000 was not the same as the '71 1750 ... it was heavier, with big ugly 5mph bumpers that weighed a ton, a SPICA fuel injection tuned to the lean limit of engine survival ... Just not the lively, responsive thing my 1750 had been. I worked on the suspension, tuned the engine as best I could, and it was finally beginning to feel right. And someone hit it by blowing a red light as I drove to work. Smashed the nose, twisted the whole car. I was devastated, it was too expensive to fix. I towed it home. Over the course of a couple of years driving that '78, I'd acquired a long-unused '79 Spider retrieved out of a company parking lot where it had been abandoned. And I found an '82 Spider with the Bosch EFI system that had been left to rot on a patch of grass off Highway 1 near the ocean ... way too rusty to even consider restoring, but the engine and Bosch EFI system piqued my interest in bringing the latter '70s Spider back up to the 1750 performance and still meeting California emissions spec. Now, with the '78 destroyed, I took a deep breath and brought all three up to a friend's shop. "We will make a good one, using the '79 body, the '82 power train, and all the good bits of suspension and everything else we can retrieve out of the '78 wreck." And we did. And we did. It became known as FrankenSpider, and piece by piece every part of the car was brought up to and beyond original '79 spec. I dumped the outrageously heavy safety bumpers and put light faux fiberglass replacements in their place. I sold off the unused bits to recoup some of the cost of the build, painted it a bright bright deep yellow, left the interior in a bit of a hash, and loved it. It was the '71 I'd had with a bit meatier engine, light and quick, a kick to drive. I had it for six years, drove it all over the west coast (along with the evergreen MR2) and loved it. Never a thought came to mind about another Jaguar. That was twenty years ago now. Fortunes changed, I sold the FrankenSpider and lots of other things when I was laid off for a time. I went back to work, worked hard to recoup my savings. Finally I retired. Around about 2019, I was thinking one day of my old Spider, and all the other cars I'd had, and realized that I had never had the car that I truly first fell in love with, back when I was a little kid. That car was so difficult to find and so expensive in the USA that I never thought I could own one, so I hadn't tried. "What the heck, you're not getting any younger, let's give it a shot..." In 2021, I found a '67 Lancia Fulvia Coupé available way across the country in Chicago. I brought it home and have been working through its restoration and minor updates since. It is everything my childhood fantasies dreamed of now, the light quick nimbleness of the Alfa Spider, the interior luxury with my all new interior in leather of the Jaguar, and the delightful if small DOHC V-4 singing its unique song to me. I'm not changing it from stock by much ... an electronic ignition unit, a set of later model Cromodora wheels and suitable tires, a minor change to the front suspension to correct angles suitable for the wide wheels and tires. Modern polyurethane suspension bushings, leather interior rather than vinyl. Not much else. It is near perfect, a restomod for me. So I guess, in the end, given the choice of the Alfa and the Jag, I'd take the Alfa. But at the end of the day, if there was a Lancia in the offer as well, both of those would stay on the showroom floor. :) G
@mossjaguar
@mossjaguar Жыл бұрын
Great video Jack, and one of our favourite restorations to date! If we can share and credit you on our platforms, that would be great!
@bobmizen1
@bobmizen1 Жыл бұрын
The Jaguar was always a favourite of mine Jack. My girlfriend, now my wife of 50 years, used to keep an eye out for the salesman in the showroom as I sat in the new E=Types dreaming, as an apprentice toolmaker on very low wages. I like the way it swept through those tight turns (aka 'Jacks Bend' 😉) My favourite is a Series 3 V12 coupe in Primrose Yellow. I think I bought far too many chips in my younger days as the owner of the shop had one parked opposite his shop. Thanks again Jack for the great reviews, Bob M. South Wales
@norton750commando
@norton750commando Жыл бұрын
Here in Canada, the E-type was always way more expensive than the Alfa. When I bought my 73 Spider in 1979, I paid $4000. A comparable E-type at the time was around 7 to 8 grand. I know I'm talking used car prices, but they reflected the original new purchase price to some degree. A friend had a late series 1.5 Jag, and although faster then my Alfa, it did feel a little more ponderous and more of a GT than an outright sports car. His also broke down a lot more than mine, so there's that.
@timjohnson67
@timjohnson67 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison of two lovely cars, both very desirable then and now. But the Alfa was at a price disadvantage in the UK market in the 60s because of import duty that didn't apply to the Jag. If you could have taken that handicap away then both would have offered a hell of a lot of "bang for your buck". Today, I would have both brilliant cars anyway!
@grifo327
@grifo327 Жыл бұрын
I’ve given you some constructive input in the past about you channel and you have always replied which I appreciate. I watch your videos and really enjoy them. This is you at your best. Your passion for the cars, enthusiasm and analysis is great. Thanks, a great video.
@Vinttro
@Vinttro Жыл бұрын
Love both, but the E type is just so glorious. Great video Jack.
@riccardogranato1274
@riccardogranato1274 Жыл бұрын
The Osso di Seppia is the best looking Duetto for me. In the looks compartment they are somewhat similar but if I had money comin out my rear end I'd go for the E-Type.
@blasantoniopappaterracarri5416
@blasantoniopappaterracarri5416 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review.
@robbwatson2088
@robbwatson2088 Жыл бұрын
Another great video. I think driving each car, Would be it's own occasion, or celebration. That perfect Saturday afternoon run up the coast. No huge rush to get anywhere, just enjoying the drive. I throughly enjoy your videos, but I would rather see your face, facial reactions if you will, during the acceleration runs as opposed to an exhaust shot. Always enjoy the content, need more Enfluenzo, cheers from across the water.
@mattsansom644
@mattsansom644 Жыл бұрын
Great range of cars you are getting, brilliant
@gunnergav
@gunnergav Жыл бұрын
The first 30 seconds of your video answered the question, that exhaust note 👌
@tonyhladun9081
@tonyhladun9081 Ай бұрын
I had a 62 E Type Coupe and a S4 Alfa Romeo Spider and liked them both. In the most simple terms the E Type was a weapon to go fast and the Spider was a girlfriend for a beautiful afternoon drive. Today I drive a 2002 Maserati Spyder...a buy of a lifetime.
@mairenared
@mairenared Жыл бұрын
Having owned two Alfas (an Alfasud Sprint Veloce and a 156) you can tell I'm an Alfa fanboy but I've always had a soft spot for Jaguars. My father had a dark green Mark VII and my uncle a Mark I. I always wanted a Mark II but could never afford one. When Jaguar launched the XFR and the XKR at the Monteblanco circuit down here in southern Spain, I got driven round the empty car park in one of the 1955 D Types that took part in the '55 Le Mans 24 hours. Quite an experience! I also looked after a friend's V12 E Type coupé for a week and was gutted when I had to give it back. Really enjoying your channel. Keep up the good work!
@rodcumming7788
@rodcumming7788 8 ай бұрын
I have a 1968 1600 right hand drive with 46,000 original miles on the clock. The car is a delight to drive and a stunning looking machine (white with red interior). Unrestored in very good condition. That was a very interesting review Jack.
@davidthirtle6318
@davidthirtle6318 Жыл бұрын
Great video and choice of comparison Jack, keep them coming. However beautiful the Jag is, the Alfa has always been a hero car for me, particularly in patinated "usable" condition like that particular one, love it! Question, what camera are you using on the windscreen to film yourself?
@ceegee3664
@ceegee3664 Жыл бұрын
Great contrast, thanks
@limjamrace
@limjamrace Жыл бұрын
E type ,as it has been my life time ambition to own one on & off since childhood. Also unlike my Ford Cortina Mk 1, which i am building into a competition car otherwise i could not use it to go anywhere basic otherwise i feel .I don`t do shows . The E type would be used to do a Harry `s Garage type of trip to Monte Carlo for the annual Grand Prix or the 24 hr LeMans,Goodwood and so on.. If i could afford to own an E type then i surely would be able to attend such venues
@dallisb1047
@dallisb1047 Жыл бұрын
Two sweet Rides! The E-Type exhaust note at the beginning was stimulating. Both are beautiful in different ways. The E-Type would be my choice because I I like going on road trips. Nice as always Jack.
@1240enzo
@1240enzo Жыл бұрын
Having been a passenger in both a Duetto, let alone a 2L Spider in the past and more recently having had a ride in a Eagle 4.2L E-Type I can totally relate to your impressions of both these cars. Yes the E-Type is glorious and a car I had always wanted a ride in, however, for me, the Alfa would be easier to live with. As someone who has owned 5 105 series cars (1750 GTV, Giulia’s and a 2L Berlina), plus driven many other 105s over the years, I would take the Spider if I could. Personally, I think the 105 gearbox is sublime despite the long throw. Alas at over $100K for a Duetto these days they are well outside of my budget. Having said that in overall terms the E -Type is undoubtedly the better/more prestigious car in so many ways.
@wallacem41atgmail
@wallacem41atgmail Жыл бұрын
I'm speaking as someone who has owned a 1969 Type 105 1750 Spider Veloce, a 1974 Type 115 Berlina 2000, and a 1979 Type 115 Spider 2000 Veloce in period (all purchased new) and have had to listen to comments regarding the long-throw gear lever. Note, the linkage, unlike that of the Jag, is entirely contained within the gear-box (also an aluminum casting as is the engine) and was quite short whereas the Jag's much shorter throw required an exterior linkage more than twice as long as the Alfa's. With the Alfa, if one made a miss-shift, it would be felt by the hand before hearing it with the ears! A good driver quickly learned to finesse the lever with the fingertips rather than gripping it with a fist and to allow the centering springs to aid in moving the lever up and down through the gears. [The synchronizers were molybdenum-coated (a Porsche patent design).] Reverse gear does not have a synchro, therefore one should take a stab at one of the first four gears before attempting to engage Reverse. [Fifth gear could not be used for this purpose as when selecting Fifth, a nifty little lever swings out which prevents the driver from accidentally selecting Reverse when exiting Fifth gear.] Like every other Alfa Romeo which I've owned, the steering seemed telepathic. The driving experience was always involving ... always entertaining while never boring! I've also owned two 1995 164 QVs and currently have a 2018 Giulia Ti Sport Q2 (Performance Package). Life's too short to not drive an Alfa Romeo!
@barryphillips7327
@barryphillips7327 Жыл бұрын
In 1955 Le mans D type Jaguar were doing up to 190mph on Mulsanne Straight AND in the racing they were doing 13mpg at racing speeds!!!! Pretty IMPRESSIVE!!!!! This E type is a BEAUTIFUL car!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3.8 Gold top triple SUs, ( Skinners Union, 1930s ) were 265hp from the factory, sound beautiful magnificent!!!! Enzo Ferrari DID say it was the MOST BEAUTIFUL CAR EVER!!!!!! Jaguar were the first to use disc brakes at Le mans they won three years in a row, MB etc were still using drum brakes, the D type could OUTBRAKE them!!!!!!!
@glengosling5636
@glengosling5636 Жыл бұрын
Hi jack , that jaguar sound is amazing.
@qvilorio
@qvilorio Жыл бұрын
Great video! It will be interesting to test the W113 Mercedes Pagoda as well, just to see how the germans compare.
@simeonorive145
@simeonorive145 Жыл бұрын
Im an odd ball and grew up with an Alfa loving Dad who out of all the cars he ever owned (Porsche 356, Lotus 7, Minis, Alpines, MGs, 250 GTE, 308GT4 Dino ........) none were a Jag I know he appreciated them. I love the Duetto, would make a sweet little outlaw. But early E types are beautiful and a light weight replica would be something else and more attainable than its competitors AC Cobras or a 250 GTO. Great videos one of my favourite channels.
@WillemBloemendal
@WillemBloemendal Жыл бұрын
.I would buy the Alfa Dueto Spider for sure, but I am a Alfa Romeo driver. The last 5 years the 15th Alfa 147. The best Alfa Romeo I had was a 156 Sportwagon 2,4 JTDM, a diesel yes, but very very nice to drive, up to 365000 km! I had it nine years. At that time lived in Germany. I sold it because I went to live on Gran Canaria. My first was in 1975 an Alfa Berlina 2000 1972, man i miss that car. I bought it damaged and repaired it by myself, that gives a feeling..also very nice to drive.
@GEOFFBEARDSLEY
@GEOFFBEARDSLEY Жыл бұрын
Good afternoon Jack, I have just watched your video comparing a Jaguar E Type with an Alfa Duetto Spider. I have had the pleasure of owning a 1967 4..2 Jaguar E Type roadster since 1995 and we have covered almost 100,000 miles in it. We bought the car from Eagle E Types, however it is not an Eagle E Type, just a very nice car that they were selling. We have toured in France about 20 times, Spain 3 times , Sweden, Denmark, and extensively in the U.K. The car has always performed faultlessly and never let us down in any way. In 2017 we were lucky enough to tour the South Island in New Zealand and hired a 1974 2 litre Duetto Spider in lemon yellow which had only done 26,000 kms from new. ^The contrast was startling. The Alfa was much roomier inside and had a much bigger boot, the hood was a lot easier to erect and fold down and did not leak. . The steering was far heavier and the brakes less good than my E Type fitted with modern Cooper craft brakes. The gear box was lovely and the five gears very useful. The petrol tank was quite small and therefore the range not great probably around 2oo miles, but as the petrol gauge did not work, we simply fuelled up at almost every petrol station. The performance was not in the same league as my E Type. But as there are very strict speed limits in New Zealand it did not concern us. We found that cruising at around 100-110 kph was the Alfa natural speed, whereas the E type is probably 10 to 20 kph faster as a natural cruising speed. The E type is always an instant starter , whereas the Alfa needed care starting. If you flooded it, it simply would not start. Which to choose ? I am jaguar through and through, but we did enjoy the ALFA, in some ways a better touring car. They are both fabulous , but the E Type wins for me ! Geoff Beardsley November 2022
@saxon-mt5by
@saxon-mt5by Жыл бұрын
You quote the new UK price of the E-Type and Duetto as being similar, but I suspect that's down to the UK import duties of the time; it would be interesting to learn how the prices compared in Italy - I suspect the Jag would have been much more expensive there.
@lucian6395
@lucian6395 Жыл бұрын
I do like the Alfa, but I've lusted after an E Type since I first saw one, and probably the car i want the most
@beatglauser9444
@beatglauser9444 Жыл бұрын
It is interesting that back in the day the design of the Alfa was not apreciated by quite a lot of people. Hence the nickname OSSO DI SEPIA: "squidbone". I even kept the original engine of the Alfa Romeo in my cellar. We had to replace it in 83. If I had the cash I would overhaul it completely.
@sexytasmin
@sexytasmin Жыл бұрын
Hi Jack I would have the Jag every time. What a fantastic example!
@henryhol8538
@henryhol8538 Жыл бұрын
As an Alfisti it would have to be the Alfa! 'Hello Mrs Robinson.....'
@bobrose7900
@bobrose7900 Жыл бұрын
E-Type... everyday! Great video.
@stevecaskey7895
@stevecaskey7895 19 күн бұрын
I own an S4 spider and it is truly fun and beautiful, but the E-Type is next level
@lib556
@lib556 Жыл бұрын
Two very different cars with one big factor in common; I want them both! Like any normal Brit car fan, I've coveted an E Type all my life. However, I tried to buy a red 69 Alfa Spider as my first car back in 1985. It was going for $6,500 (same car now listing around $70,000). My mechanically experienced buddy checked it out for me and declared it functional. There were many obstacles. I was just starting my first job and had no money or collateral. Banks wouldn't loan me the money. My parents had just bought a house and couldn't co-sign a loan (so they claimed). My first posting was to be on the West Coast while the car was on the East Coast... a mere 6,000 kms apart... give or take. And I didn't have a driver's license yet. Meh. Details.
@beatglauser9444
@beatglauser9444 Жыл бұрын
We own a 67 Duetto and WE LOVE IT! By the way the rattle on the stick: Ours has it as well. It is a car that is happy on our curvy Swiss roads. Ours does not have power brakes. Maybe this on has. You have to get used to the shifting of a classic Sixties car again. I personally like the way the Alfa shifts. Ours was the fist gen with very big wheels and narrow tires. So I bet it handles a bit differently. My cousin in the UK has an E Type convertible: I lOVE that one as well. Both cars are SO gorgeous. I am happy I do not have to choose beetween them both. If I was rich I would own them both. The Alfa is more a car for sporty driving, the E-Type is one of the nicest Grandtourer you can imagine.
@alfamontydog
@alfamontydog Жыл бұрын
I have a 1966 Duetto with a high performance 2ltr, did a complete restoration on it and upgraded the brakes (Dunlop) by adding a power brake booster, big improvement, but still not as good as my 1969 1750 GTV. Also added a rear anti roll bar, and Koni shocks, much improvement in handling. About the gear rattle, very easy to fix, if you remove the shift boot and rubber gaiter on top of the transmission tower, there should be a cup shaped rubber washer under the shifter, the purpose of it is to put downward pressure on the spherical sliding covers on top of the gearbox tower. A lot of time this rubber cup is lost when the transmission is removed for a clutch job. When installing a new cup one has to push down hard on the shifter before tightening the pinch bolt. That should get rid of the annoying rattle.
@rogertallon
@rogertallon Жыл бұрын
Very good report! I have a coupé bertone and a fhc 67 e type. Your impressions are just like mines. I feel like the E type make you feel more special than the alfa. But the alfa gives you confidence
@Number27
@Number27 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, thank you Mathias!
@richardjohnson3463
@richardjohnson3463 Жыл бұрын
Great video, much as I love the Alfa the e-type does it for me
@roystonvehicles9129
@roystonvehicles9129 Жыл бұрын
Great, I've had both of these, but not at the same time.
@londonclassica8280
@londonclassica8280 Ай бұрын
I was lucky enough to do this exact test down in Nice last month. I own a 67 Duetto vs my friends glorious 69 etype 4.2. Must say I came to the same conclusion as you... need both..
@organiccold
@organiccold Жыл бұрын
A friend in Madeira has a Dueto in the same coulour, is such a fun car to drive. The E-Type is amazing, Tyler Hoover has a well used one and he said the same about the engine
@Laz_Arus
@Laz_Arus Жыл бұрын
Talking of beautiful designs, my top three would be the Dino 246GT, then the Muira P400, and the E-Type Roadster taking the bronze medal.
@Szinbad
@Szinbad Жыл бұрын
I haven't owned either. In the early 80s I had a Guilia Sprint Veloce 1600 At the same time I had a friend with an e type, and for a while I owned an early 3.4 Mk 11. When the Alfa fired up it was like a dog that pricked up its ears and and just said 'Lets GO!' The E type was sensational, but you kind of had to drive it hard to make it feel 'light'. My friend seemed to have a lot more issues with it than I had with the Alfa. (Though my Mlk 11 was bloody bullet proof.) But then, I had restored both of those cars, and blueprinted and 'fiddled' with the 1600. For looks there is very little to compare to the E. Made at a time when a few manufacturers were brave enough to build what looked like prototypes. The corvette is another. And I confess I loved driving it! But the Alfa might have been an easier car to own.
@davidcoan4899
@davidcoan4899 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👏👏. I own a S1.5 e type , so that gets my vote but I agree it’s more a cruiser with sporty looks …and the screen is too low. I take both cars please.
@johnnyboy1586
@johnnyboy1586 Жыл бұрын
Both beautiful cars!
@jeffhildreth9244
@jeffhildreth9244 Жыл бұрын
I worked at British Motors of Monterey (Calif) 1968-1972. This was a Rolls, Bentley, Jag, Aston Martin, Austin, MG, Lotus etc dealership. My choice of those, Aston Martin or MG. I worked on many Jaguars. For style and showmanship the E-Type was paramount, but for comfort, quality and reliability, any other Jaguar. I very much like the Alfas, but for Italian cars of the era, I preferred my Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, and could easily enjoy a Spyder. I would not feel comfortable owning or driving an E-Type. As to the Alfa.. The MGB is , in many ways, a better choice. My response, neither. But if forced, it would have to be the ALFA. I would take that red one and fix all its niggling problems and leave the cosmetics as is. Excellent video.
@gregkimura5906
@gregkimura5906 10 ай бұрын
I've never owned a E Type, so I can't comment from the place of ownership. As a car guy, I think both are fantastic cars. They are different animals and the preference is due to how you plan to use the car. I will throw in my 2 cents about the Alfa. I own, as in currently own, a few Alfa's. Each has it's own personality and driving one gives me the feeling of going fast, when I'm not. Driving an Alfa is engaging - I'm part of the experience, which is why I own these cars. Thanks fo r the great video!
@zaviekucer9859
@zaviekucer9859 Жыл бұрын
I like this historical comparison of two competing cars.
@darrellsimpson6966
@darrellsimpson6966 Жыл бұрын
Had a 4.2 mark 1 E type coup many years ago. Leaked oil, and water when it rained. Not to worry. Don't even have a photo. Really wish I still had it.
@geoffclarke8934
@geoffclarke8934 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I can see the appeal of the Alpha but would have to take the Jag. Agree the 3.8 is a sweeter engine as more revvy and this one has the benefit of the nicer 4.2 gearbox.
@777Brad
@777Brad Жыл бұрын
Back in the day, if I had to choose I would have chosen the Jag. The looks and the sound have always won me over.
@paulbugoni2846
@paulbugoni2846 Жыл бұрын
Both cars are PURE CLASS!
@cosmic-tiger
@cosmic-tiger Жыл бұрын
A 60s E-type hard top is in my dream garage for sure so it’s the Jag without a doubt for me! Such pretty cars inside & out, just a shame they get more & more expensive.
@futurecat
@futurecat Жыл бұрын
I can see antecedent design points in the front of the Alfa that remind me of the (then future) Disco Volante.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper Жыл бұрын
An Aston DB4 or 5 engine in a Jaguar E Type would be even better!
@christophercumings6827
@christophercumings6827 Жыл бұрын
Back in the day I traded my e type in for an alpha. Both 73 models. The jag was a barrel of cheap parts that wouldn’t stay together and the alpha was an uncomfortable driving position but lasted long enough to trade for a Porsche.
@Lot76CARS
@Lot76CARS Жыл бұрын
Most of us would be pretty chuffed with either. I haven't driven the Alfa but I have driven a later E-Type Series 3 Roadster, not quite as pretty but still a looker. Driving it around a track showed it still 'had it' in a straight line, corners were adequate but those brakes were woeful as I recall.
@Number27
@Number27 Жыл бұрын
Umm.. yes I imagine the alfa would Be quicker on tight tracks! Thanks for watching as always!
@justinmckeown9029
@justinmckeown9029 Жыл бұрын
I’d go for the Alfa out of sibling rivalry. My brother rides Triumphs and Nortons. I ride Ducatis. As great as a British car or bike may be, I can’t ever let my brother win.
@jayc3110
@jayc3110 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, you could do another one like this. Perhaps compare the legendary BMW 2002, manufactured in the late '60s to 1974 and the iconic Ford Cortina? That would be really interesting. Thanks and best wishes.
@thefleecer3673
@thefleecer3673 Жыл бұрын
Gee as far as looks go they're both top shelf, I couldn't decide either!
@polygamous1
@polygamous1 Жыл бұрын
If I had the money in the 60s I wouldn't buy either of them by a Long way, there was a Genius of an engineer a Mr Colin Chapman who created The Best sports car of that era and If I bought anything else am sure I couldn't live with myself after, when it comes to handling the Elan would live both of them for dead n its the number one reason to buy a sports car another great video Jack thanks
@rolfsvensson5777
@rolfsvensson5777 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff Jack! I would have gone for the more lusty Alfa! The problem you and i are too tall! Smile! You try a Morgan and your head gets all the bugs like riding a motor bike!
@roystonvehicles9129
@roystonvehicles9129 Жыл бұрын
Got a kamm spyder in the 90s for 3k,usa import, it was OK, nothing amazing, bought a e type coupe a bit later for 10k(!) well totally amazing, I can't remember it rolling much or being vague to steer, I had uprated steering mounts tho, the std mounts did used to move around, had it up to about 140 as well.
@andrewnichols1023
@andrewnichols1023 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact you compared a straight six with an Italian 4, yes it’s how a car makes you feel, the Italian car gives you more engagement.
@free_gold4467
@free_gold4467 Жыл бұрын
That Duetto is really good looking.
@geoffreystearns1690
@geoffreystearns1690 Жыл бұрын
Nothing sounds as good as that split manifold on the Jag in-line six......
@hollo500
@hollo500 Жыл бұрын
That Alfa looks soooo clean underneath!
@electroborg
@electroborg 7 ай бұрын
On a purely aesthetic point of view, these two cars grace the roads they ride in. No plastics, the right amount of chrome, harmony in the shape. Would be nice to have affordable mechanics and form over function design in a contemporary GT, but marketing probably pushes the wow factor as high end sport cars now matter more for media and videogames than roads.
@StefanoMaggio
@StefanoMaggio Жыл бұрын
well I'm poor so.... I bought an S2 Spider! Criminally underrated, still can't explain why! It is so much fun to drive, to care for and look at.
@MG1949
@MG1949 Жыл бұрын
The e type in a heartbeat!
@christophstalder8005
@christophstalder8005 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. I like your videos a lot! But weird, I also got a Series 1 E Type, but the fixed head version. It does not feel wobbly at all, it does not really lean in corners, especially compared to other classics I drove. Maybe something wrong with the set-up or suspension? I also then changed to the wider competition laces wheels with sticky 205 Avon, made it even better. Plus: A 3.8 does not weight 1400kg, the most reliable sources like Porters book on E Types say less. Last but not least: I am 1m80 and fit easily in to my FHC, how tall are you?
@AlfaElaborazioni
@AlfaElaborazioni Жыл бұрын
I agree, the FHC has a lot of room. But these cars lean on stock suspension, it's all relative. they might not lean in comparison to other period cars but they lean compared to more modern stuff...
@gabrielcharles1178
@gabrielcharles1178 Жыл бұрын
Lovely video and comparison ! I own a 69 1300 junior spider, so I might not be 100% objective ! The tested Alfa looks a little strange to me : it seems to use parts of a 1300 version (stationary front window deflector, lower front bumpers painted, place of the side marker lights, wheels and hubcaps,…), and to my knowledge, in 1969, 1600 versions were not available anymore, only 1300 and 1750. These later versions of the roundtail spider have a little better handling because of the addition of a rear anti-roll bar and much better ATE brakes on all 4 wheels. What will be comparable to an Alfa 2600 spider ? 😉
@johnmcrae757
@johnmcrae757 Жыл бұрын
The original gear knob is rubber mounted, it never rattled! A bit of tuning would help it give power and revs.. Still a loveley car❤
@johancoetzer2165
@johancoetzer2165 Жыл бұрын
I thought they are very different cars from different eras that played in market segments. Now I know better. 😁
@mcashnv
@mcashnv Жыл бұрын
A well-sorted E-type should not have any 'slop' in the steering. It's a rack & pinion.
@malcolmelias3496
@malcolmelias3496 Жыл бұрын
Jaguar classic now sell a 5 speed box in an original style box. The e-type is probably the most gorgeous piece of automotive engineering ever produced.
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