Nurse Dragged Off In Handcuffs...For Doing Her Job | Incident Repot 085

[@DARCCCCI]

This hurts my heart and makes my blood boil. ICU RN here, what a standup RN advocating for her patient.

[@peachesandcream.2612]

Darci Hoepner - A doctor should have been consulted.

[@someoneelse307]

@@peachesandcream.2612 Hospital Administration trumps a Doctor in this and she was consulting with the hospital administration.

[@NurseKate123]

@DarciHoepner... it hurts my heart too. I remember when this happened I wish I had seen this whole video then. The news misrepresented this very much. I hope the nursing profession will stand together because right now we need to. Nursing is getting a bad name for itself lately. Nurses are not practicing evidence-based care and they do not seem to have compassion as a whole… This is concerning for me because I’ve been a nurse for 32 years. I’m not saying every nurse is doing this I’m saying we have some out there who are making everyone of us who are good nurses look bad.We need some internal control over our profession and we need to set this up to be nationwide. We need to work with nurses from all over the world to make sure we are practicing evidence-based care because big Pharmacy does not have the stranglehold on us it has on our doctor colleagues.

[@NurseKate123]

Someone Else this is a situation in which the nurse should have been protected. Where are the security guards? Why should the nurse be on the front lines of a situation involving law-enforcement when she’s just trying to take care of a patient? Nurses are not attorneys and even this law enforcement officer did not know the law otherwise he would’ve probably not broken it on camera. This is a clear example of the breakdown of communication between professions and a lack of cohesion in the community. Communication and collaboration… Innovative thinking and standing behind our profession will get nurses through this. But we have to make a stand we cannot keep letting this happen. This has happened to me

[@melissamcdonagh5096]

@@peachesandcream.2612 aaaaa

[@MarcRitzMD]

Aftermath: nurse settled for $500,000. Cop got fired from his police job and his paramedic job.

[@tarampryce1372]

Good

[@wayneduncan6383]

Rich 91 Cop should be made to pay out of his PERSONAL assets. He is guilty of assault, battery, and false imprisonment.

[@peachesandcream.2612]

Wayne Duncan - He had every right to make an arrest if he felt it was appropriate!

[@dirkhamilton2709]

@@peachesandcream.2612 nowhere is police power of arrest related to the officers "feels".

[@dirkhamilton2709]

@@peachesandcream.2612 he ordered her to do something that was illegal, which was itself illegal. Had she followed his illegal order, she could have lost her license.

[@cryptaveli]

HIPPA is clear with things like this. The cop seems incompetent and incredibly impulsive. He needs to be charged with assault & false imprisonment.

[@drwsumnerdavis3571]

Sadly, many in his position seem to think they are above, beyond, the law.

[@nostradmis]

He was fired and made to $653,000 in damages to reputation and loss of income.

[@tonygould1524]

He needs a prison sentence for what this arsehole just did.

[@ericwood7019]

@@nostradmis How can you be so sure?

[@nostradmis]

Eric Wood if you google the article, it’s available for all to see.

[@TheYipYee]

There's no mystery why the cop did this. He said it himself, "she's the one telling me 'no.'" Some people can't stand to hear that word, especially when they are used to getting their way. He might be the nicest, most generous guy until someone challenges his authority -- and then he has to prove himself by attacking a woman who's standing up for her patient. I have empathy for cops who make bad split second decisions: they are often overworked, exhausted, have little backup and not enough training. It's a systemic problem they take the blame for. But this guy seems like he's just got an attitude problem combined with poor judgement, and needs to find a different career.

[@SwampazzFishing]

Lauren Yee Also, like Zdogg states in the video, he is an EMS driver and a lot of EMS drivers butt heads with RNs. If you notice when he lost his cool is right when the guy on the phone says "...you're threatening a nurse..." Right when he said that, the officer didn't want to hear another word. Maybe he thinks he's better than an RN or they are beneath him?

[@Debt-tective]

Nurses can be disrespectful and demeaning too. I’ve been talked down to and told I’m just a driver and lots of stuff from cna-rn, I’ve never seen my partners say bad stuff nor have I but there is a two sided beef and idk why it’s there. Also to OP. I agree 100, people like that make the rest look bad.

[@peachesandcream.2612]

Swampazz Fishing - Nobody working in the healthcare field likes RNs. They are often horrible people! I have never met one person working in a hospital who likes them.

[@tsmi5807]

I don t think so swamp,, emts are WAY below nurses in the hierarchy, and as most of us know, cops are only marginally less criminal than the people they legitimately arrest. This cop is power mad, he is trying to cover up for his buddy who is the patient,, that is why he is so crazed to get this nurse arrested. hahahaa,, Copper paid for this a good one, fired from both his jobs and cost his boss half a mil in the ensuing lawsuit.

[@tsmi5807]

Peach, you douchbag, you just never quit do you. You no doubt are a disgraced cop of some sort or an emt by the way youre talking. Your buddy here got fired from both jobs, and cost his boss half a mil,,, hahahahaha,,,, glad the nurse got paid here, maybe she can take a nice vacation on the countys dime.

[@unndunn1]

I feel sick after watching this. I've been an RN for 29 years and have always had a good relationship with police officers in the workplace. That nurse was calmly advocating for her patient. She laid out a logical reason for why the client didn't meet the criteria and was then attacked physically. I've been physically attacked by patients, dealt with all sorts of verbal abuse and threats in the workplace and now this shock.

[@peachesandcream.2612]

K D - The police officer should have just consulted the doctor.

[@tsmi5807]

One more time Peachy, phauk U and the horse you rode in on !!!

[@peachesandcream.2612]

t smi - Obviously only a nurse! Definitely not a doctor!

[@andrewfaull9404]

Especially since this happened 35 days after the day of the accident. Any drugs or alcohol would have long passed out of the system, and all the other things like pain control medications that were given in the hospital would have been in his system. The entire test is meaningless.

[@sammib8633]

That nurse is an absolute legend though for refusing to do what could harm the patient even under the threat and ACTION of being arrested. Major respect

[@angelamoore3463]

My question, too, was how many other patients were put at risk because this officer took away their caregiver? As you said, she was charge nurse, and so many patients could've been harmed.

[@htarceno]

exactly! if one of those patients had died due to lack of care, the cop would be guilty of murder

[@chabbytreemechanic1731]

This cop had a Harry Calahan moment, and proceeded to assault and batter a nurse for doing her job. Hospital security should have been in between the nurse and cop.

[@stacya7806]

The longer video is more ominous. You should show the part where Payne's supervisor tells the nurse her hospital policy interferes with "my law". Total abuse of power and they believe they are well within their rights

[@a.k.7341]

Payne and his supervisor are evil demons and deserve to be fired and thrown in prison for MANY years. But of course bad cops are not held accountable

[@tsmi5807]

Powermad cops and police unions are what cause things like this, get rid of cops unions, make them at will employees only.

[@IdkIdk-pv1mx]

He got pissed because the administrator accused him of threatening a nurse

[@wergersnee]

To the cops who defend this or say, "Well we don't know the whole story...": This is YOUR fault. You, who silently stand by while your more thuggish colleagues go on power trips. You don't say anything? You don't join together, oust these bullies, and say, "This isn't who we are!" Man the fuck up. Stop patting each other on the back and defend the actual law - cops who act this way should be treated the same as anyone else.

[@samb123078]

I don't have any creditable sources but from what I heard the cops were involved in a high speed chase. The suspect ran into a innocent truck driver as a result of this chase and is in a coma. So the cops are basically responsible for an innocent guy getting into a coma because they initiated a high speed chase resulting in the victim dying AND an innocent person in a coma. The cops want blood work on the truck driver to cover their asses. Basically they want to find a way to blame the victim. Which would explain why they are so zealous in getting the blood work. I'll link a source later

[@alice3201]

Bins Wanger Exactly.

[@r3ikobomb]

Bins Wanger Regardless, they still need to do it legally.

[@samb123078]

r3ikobomb I'm sure they do but why the urgency? The guy is in a coma, he's not going anywhere. They can 1)wait for him to come to and give consent or 2) get a court order. The urgency is because they want to get a tox screen before any drugs are out of his system so they can maybe blame him (who was an off duty police officer himself).

[@robynsalaver4069]

Then get a WARRANT. That's the law. The whole court case would get thrown out because they obtained evidence illegally. And it's easy for you to say when it's not your rights on the line.

[@hustlehardermommy9675]

Hes been on IVs for weeks, what's left to find?

[@hilaryelizabeth83]

In the 19 min video, you can hear the cops talking about not getting a warrant because they didn't have probable cause. They had absolutely no right. They wanted her to violate HIPPA and the LT in the long video told her that if they (the cops) were in the wrong then it's no big deal because it can just be thrown out. They didn't even know the law they are trying to uphold. They wanted blood from a victim to "protect" him. More than likely the department has a "no pursuit" rule unless it's a "forcible felony" and they wanted to try and find fault with the victim to cover themselves from a lawsuit. That was the urgency. The person they were pursuing, crashed into the victim and they wanted to cover their butts. Mind blown.

[@joeanjaco554]

Hilz Patt a

[@joeanjaco554]

This makes me angry 😡😡😡😡😡

[@deputydog12]

As a law enforcement officer, I feel that I need to say that the detective and all other involved officers were out of line. I am disturbed by the comments that paint all officers as being this type of person. The detective did not have legal standing based on a recent Supreme Court ruling. Even if he was right legally, this is not how you deal with people as a law enforcement officer. I also don't see where the urgency was in this situation. Why not let the supervisors fight it out.

[@peterfilipovic]

You're fishing for respect but using very weak language in calling out this officer. Let's hear you admit that he should be treated like any other person and therefore doing hard time in a maximum security prison.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

Yea, there are good officers, but there's a hell of a lot of bad ones, and the good ones get pressured into not calling the bad ones out. My little brother is an officer and I hope he sticks with his morals. As for me, I'm becoming an RN so I know that I can make a positive impact on people's lives.

[@tonygould1524]

I am retired now but spend many years as a hospital supervisor, and know first hand the rubbish nurses and other health care professionals have to put up with. During this time I have also had my fair share of dealing with police and have found 99% of them are good caring and professional people. Don't judge them all by the conduct of these two. The good officers far outnumber the bad ones.

[@Dominicanshawtyy89]

Try telling that to family members who officers have shot and killed innocent unarmed BLACK MEN & YOUNG BOYS SMH , MOST OFFICERS IVE CAME IN CONTACT WITH ARE ASSHOLES AND SMARTASS AND RACIST

[@Dominicanshawtyy89]

@@peterfilipovic excalty 💯 💯🎯

[@cinnamongirl5410]

I was a paramedic and this happened to me, back of the ambulance.. PD wanted to collect blood. We refused (patient advocate.. no warrant, no one under arrest, patient in back unable to give consent-unconscious). We were not arrested but told if we did not then they may not have OUR back when "the time comes". They did not get the blood draw.

[@SicaGR]

Good for you!

[@janicea135]

I had something similar happen at a burn unit in a hospital I worked for. Local cops tried to take blood from a patient that was in a medical induce coma, without a warrant or probable cause. Turns out this patient wasnt the right person they were looking for, just a similar names. The nurse also called her supervisor and the doctor down. They all three told the same cop no and to come back with a warrant. They arrested the doctor, but the doctor was calm and collect. He instructed the nurses to stand guard of the patient and let no one in until further notice. Needless to say, he was released withing an hour when the Lieutenant came down and realized what his officers have done. The patient did die sadly but a memo was sent out to the staff not to let officers into patients room until spoken with nurse or doctor and not to speak on the patient. No exceptions. Good job on the nurse for watching out for this patient and putting that douche bag in his place. #silentnomore

[@jeffwarnick5152]

Officer could have gone to Superior and organized complaint to Hospital if he felt he was right. To just "arrest" ... to me.. represents poor training and a chip-on-shoulder mentality.

[@toothrestorer6588]

@Armando Quil Ombos That sounds appropriate since they didn't have a knowledge of the law as applied in this situation and lacked any common sense. Good riddance. Those two cops make all of the decent cops look bad.

[@AshLey-uj3ox]

I witnessed a cop during a code order the cardiologist to stop titration on the O2 and ordered the MD to remove the mask. We all looked at him like he was nuts. What followed was this... “I’m a doctor.” “Well you called us for a reason didn’t you.”-cop “I’m a Cardiologist.” “We’ll take it from here.” “So if she dies, are you prepared to take the blame?” “Well, are you going to be on the ambulance when we leave here, huh? Huh, Doctor?!” Later on he asked my ADON for the doctors name and she responded with ... “Oh, do you mean Dr. ____ leading Cardiologist for _____ Medical Center? That doctor.” We were stunned. I called my cousin who is a cop and immediately told him that he better NEVER disrespect the care team or abuse his power as an officer.

[@kallie9229]

Five year old or cop?: “She told me no!”

[@FreckledFran]

I don't know when my heart last pounded so hard... I am speechless!

[@jennyhurst4562]

Exactly, no words to say how terrible I feel for the Nurse.

[@rebeccaparker1982]

I saw this when it originally happened and I'm just as outraged now as I was then.This is personal to me as my daughter is a nurse.

[@smiles254]

As a nurse this infuriates me!!! She will always remember this traumatic event.

[@dombrow1683]

smiles254 is

[@nicolakruger9043]

Nurses all around the world will remember this event.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

@@nicolakruger9043 Yep, I was an ED nurse when this case popped up. In Canada. We were all talking about this for a while, and it definitely changed how I view cops. Even though our cops are not as racist or power-mad as the shitty ones they have in the US, I know they'd attack me if I stood between them and illegally acquiring evidence from one of my patients. Where before I viewed our cops generally positively as my main interaction with them was them helping me restrain psych/substance misuse patients being brought in, now I view them roughly the same as the psych/substance misuse patients themselves -- someone you never trust and someone you always remember is not on your side, and who will hurt you if they can get away with it.

[@JohnSmith-pm6zb]

Why the violence of that arrest? This isn't a dark street and she isn't a crazy violent thug threatening the police. This is a hospital. She's a unarmed woman, a nurse, with a calm, in fact frightened, demeanor, trying her best to be professional. What justifies a male police officer violently twisting her arm behind her back and dragging her away bodily? How is she threatening the officer, or anyone else for that matter?

[@ashesashes9361]

John Smith I think they took advantage of her cuz she looked scare. So this cops when in a power trip.

[@tomaskuli177]

John Smith You don't to be a crazy violent thug to be roughhoused by the cops, dumbass.

[@lovingpia27]

John Smith.. you are part of the issue where police think they can do as they please because some individuals are considered "a thug" so they should be maltreated..SMH

[@JohnSmith-pm6zb]

Thanks for your informed and courteous reply. That's not what I think at all. Responses by police, or any one for that matter, should be proportionate to the level of threat. If someone's running at you with a knife or gun, you might respond differently to a person speaking calmly to you. Thanks for calling me "a part of the issue" for having some common sense.

[@aprilsnow7938]

She was doing her job they should of done theirs,chain of command point blank. I would press charges

[@cbritell]

The officer should have had the blood test. His behavior leads one to suspect stimulant use.

[@elphaba46]

Catherine Britell not without having met the three criteria the nurse read to him! She would have been violating hospital policy and been fired!

[@cbritell]

black_girl_rocks I was referring only half jokingly to taking the officers blood. The nurse was of course absolutely appropriate and no other action would have been indicated.

[@Marco-nx5tj]

Catherine Britell coffee is a stimulant

[@toothrestorer6588]

@@Marco-nx5tj More like illegal stimulants , like coke or meth.

[@llorensfriedapembrook5149]

I’m a nurse and this definitely made me cry. Shame on that police officer.

[@curlybibliophagist2]

The pt in question was a semi truck driver, who was struck by a car being pursued by the police. The pt is already medicated, how is anything found in his blood relavent after that? Not to mention the pt is the victim.

[@MA-ss7pt]

We don't know whether they administered any narcotics since he was already in coma... ETOH? to cover it under DUI..

[@rachelcrawford1977]

M A the patient was in a medically induced coma so yes lots of drugs on board

[@Sabre2165]

I have nearly 30 years of experience in fire, EMS and as a nurse who works in the Emergency Department, and I've worked closely with law enforcement the whole time. The vast majority of officers genuinely care about the people they work to protect; ZDogg has spoken highly of these folks over the years. However, former Salt Lake detective Jeff Payne is not one of them. Despite having had a year and a half to reflect upon the events of that day, he stubbornly refuses to admit that he did anything wrong: www.sltrib.com/news/2018/11/06/former-detective-jeff/. “I don’t think there is anything that I need to apologize for,” he said. Chief of Police Mike Brown had a different view: “I am deeply troubled by your lack of sound, professional judgment and your discourteous, disrespectful and unwarranted behavior, which unnecessarily escalated a situation that could and should have been resolved in a manner far different from the course of action you chose to pursue.” Oh, and Payne had previously been informed by the officer investigating the crash that, if he couldn't get the blood sample, it was "no big deal." ZDogg showed only a brief clip of the event in this video; the original full-length version is horrifying. Both the discussions recorded prior to this incident and after, as the nurse sits in custody, demonstrate hostility and threats by Payne that are not only unprofessional, but fail to have any legal standing at all. There are SO MANY ways that this could have gone differently, but Payne had drawn a line in the sand...had backed himself into a corner...and his ego was being threatened. He lost his shit and, worst of all, after all this time, feels that HE is the victim and that he did nothing wrong. HOLY SHIT. Kudos to nurse Alex Wubbels and to the administrative staff who supported her advocacy of a patient who could not advocate for himself. I'm proud to be a nurse and to call you a colleague. Kudos to ZDogg for shining a light on the awful paradox that nurses have always endured: despite being the most trusted professionals in the eyes of the public, nurses have always had to suffer in silence, enduring horrendous abuse and disrespect (the public has no idea), putting themselves in harm's way while caring for others.

[@peacefulchaosofinfiniteran5213]

I love what you do here. You raise awareness for so many important issues as well as educate people in creative ways. As someone in the medical field I just want to say thank you-I truly appreciate your work! I would love to have you as my doctor! I really hate what happened to this woman, but I’m glad to hear that everything worked out in her favor. I hope she didn’t suffer too much lingering mental trauma due to this incompetent law official on a power trip. Ugh... that guy makes me sick. People like him are what keeps this world from becoming a better place.

[@ericatyrie1090]

Wow as a nurse and a human bring I am furious and speechless! I can not even fathom being in this situation

[@EmissaryZephyr]

Historically, cops and health care staff, especially the staff in specialty units such as the ER, Burn Unit, ICU, etc., have had an incredibly good relationship, sustained and strengthened over the years of often working in close proximity with each other. Theirs is a relationship that is clearly symbiotic at times. To see this incident is extremely disturbing. I was reminded of an incident some time ago when the unit in which I was working made a call to a scene where the patient, who later died, was a victim of a homicide. Upon arrival we were informed that an active homicide investigation was in progress and we were ordered by the police to not involve ourselves with the patient; however, as I was speaking with the lead police officer, the patient was noted to have a heart rhythm - sinus bradycardia - and a very low BP. My team leader rarely listened to anyone except to the voices in her head (who's gonna argue with that?). Once determined that the patient was technically alive, anyone in the profession knows how it progressed from that point. Long story made shorter, we were almost arrested for disturbing a crime scene and impeding an ongoing homicide investigation because we were attempting to sustain what little life this young victim had, an effort that evolved into a full resuscitative event en route to the hospital ER. (BTW, the paperwork was later amended to omit the term "homicide" investigation".) In short, there are legal precedents, _strong legal precedents_ in place to protect the patient. Period. And there are unspoken rules inviolate that clearly state one should never, ever, never, never, never piss off (or fuck with) medical staff, especially if that person works in one of those specialty areas. I shudder to consider the potential time constraints, supply constraints, staff constraints that could be placed upon the nurse, tech or doctor should that police officer need to visit the ER -- *any* ER as a patient. Of course he'll receive the very best care that he deserves. Did this cop place other patients lives in jeopardy because of his obscenely absurd actions? I don't see how he couldn't have by his violent behavior. I've said it for the past few years and this incident epitomizes what I've been saying: *_THE COPS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE OUT OF CONTROL_*

[@renata777777]

I thought it was weird that the cop cracked when the administrator said he was very wrong, and took it out on the nurse, who at that point was just listening to the admin and the cop. I also do not understand the point of a blood draw one month after the incident. Did he think negative results for alcohol at such a late date should protect the patient, who was apparently in LOA in some capacity? Sounds underhanded to me.

[@nyearous]

Now nurses have to be afraid of police people and patients. Are we not safe? Do we need to start wearing body cams (I know we can because of HIPPA)?

[@KayDejaVu]

Silly comment. Not one comment supporting the cop. also not words like assault are being used. She was not assaulted

[@tsmi5807]

@@KayDejaVu You are dead wrong K, she was assaulted you idite.

[@dboatright2497]

@@KayDejaVu because they way he acted is completely out of line. No one should defend those actions.

[@cbrown0287]

Seeing that clip makes me so mad. Like many have said, normally as nurses, we have (and need to have!) a good relationship with police and this one incident is terrible. This guy deserves to lose his job and be charged with assaulting a nurse.

[@yourprettypinkduck8429]

Watched the full 19 minute version. Where is the medical director and other administration? This incident is unbelievable!!! I not only have issue with the arresting officer but the other 2 officers who supported and stood by him in this decision. Specifically the one seen kneeling down further harassing her about a policy that isn't hers. Do they not realize she could have lost her job and possibly license if she violated hospital policy? From the video it sounds like the hospital and the police department have a some negative history going on. Either way, this situation was way out of control and these arrogant power hungry officers were out of line. Anyone in that line of work that looses their cool like this should be stripped of their badge. Unacceptable.

[@ashesashes9361]

Jennifer Sunshine yeah this cops are upset that she is not allowing them to break the law, and the cops have too much power n the citizens have none that's all.

[@link2442]

Ashes Ashes wait till this cop needs an emergency to this same nurse.

[@stacya7806]

Jennifer Sunshine you are correct! I can't believe the way they talked to her in the car! Just as bad as the arrest!!!! Hope she sues!

[@KayDejaVu]

Jennifer, in the real world, cops don't fight against eachother in front of others. I would have simply stood by as well.

[@link2442]

K Mcleod So you would allow an illegal and aggrevated activity to happen in front of you and turn a blind eye to it.

[@mnguardianfan7128]

Payne is indicating that his boss Lt. James Tracy told him to arrest Nurse Wubbels on obstruction of justice if she did not allow the blood draw. Evidently Tracy referred to 'implied consent' as their justification for getting the blood draw. The problem is that the US Supreme Court invalidated implied consent for blood draws in Birchfield v North Dakota.

[@ruthannemackinnon588]

RN & NP 30 yrs but quit a year ago & so glad I did. It'll take me another 30 yrs to recover from the trauma, stress & constant abuse

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Even HIPAA aside, this was totally messed up. Retired RN here. I hope I have nurses just like her if I’m ever hospitalized. As an advocate for law and order, these are the bad cops that need to go.

[@nathanward4899]

I do forensic phlebotomy for my local police department. If they don't have a warrant or a consent, we do not get blood. Most of the police officers are great, they have the warrant or the consent and they'll help out with the draw and do whatever you need. I can't understand what would possibly drive an officer to do something like this. Or what in the hell he thinks gives him the right to do so. It's really disturbing.

[@denisefallin8042]

I am an NP with both family practice and psych/mental health experience. What I hear from the officer is some arrogance/control issues. He didn't "snap" until the admin said "you're making a big mistake". He didnt' like hearing that. I wasn't there so I can't say that for certain. She is the epitome of calm, professional. PROUD to be her colleague

[@hicnonsumitur]

I came around to this one two years later, after discovering the channel. This video still makes my blood boil. Frankly, I think the officer should have been treated exactly as I would be if I illegally assaulted a nurse and put her in my car against her will for twenty minutes. Losing his job was the least that should have happened.

[@PrincessDarkCloud]

I don't understand what the cop thought he was doing. You obviously cannot take blood for a "LEGAL" blood draw on an unconscious pt (who has no warrants ​and isn't under arrest). I have worked with a lot of Law Enforcement, both as a paramedic and as an ER RN and one thing they always do or have done in front of me is to advise the person that by signing their driver's license that is giving consent for the blood draw, however, they are able to refuse and their license can be suspended for refusing. There have been a couple that has refused. I think MOST law enforcement officers would NOT have acted this way. Furthermore, the driver that they were wanting a blood draw from was driving his semi and another car that was "fleeing" law enforcement crossed the center line and went head on into the semi causing the crash that killed the person that was "fleeing" law enforcement. The pt at the hospital was severely burned due to the accident and unconscious. WHAT THE F$%K DO YOU NEED THIS MAN'S BLOOD FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE??????? I don't know why you would need blood from someone who was the obvious victim of the crash.

[@MA-ss7pt]

I heard because they cops were involved in a high speed chase and an innocent person (that patinet) was involved, they wanted to see if they can find any ETOH/drugs to make the case a DUI...

[@07SoccerChick07]

Couldn't the cop be charged with a felony since he attacked a nurse to arrest her? Since it's a felony to hurt health care professionals

[@KayDejaVu]

He didnt attack her. He arrested her

[@SGRODmaster]

K Mcleod Arrested her for what? Without a charge, an arrest is unlawful.

[@SGRODmaster]

K Mcleod And to be clear, she wasn't charged with anything. And both the mayor and police chief have apologized to her for the incident. Only question is whether they're going to try to protect Payne against assault charges, which really isn't a question.

[@07SoccerChick07]

The attack is considered a battery attack on a health care professional because it is unwanted physical contact that was used with force and when he slammed her against the red pole outside a lawyer can use that as assualt because that is physical contact with force. There was a case like this back in florida where I'm from where the cop did something similar to this

[@TrailRatedNurse]

SGRODmaster I think he arrested her for obstruction. She wasn't charged, but that was his way of imposing his authority on scene.

[@ID-hg1pr]

Imagine how long this cop has been violating the law and doing whatever he wanted to. My guess is he didn't get fired because of this one incident, this was probably one of many. Of course it went viral, so the department had to act, but otherwise he probably would have been allowed to continue his corruption. Sad.

[@viralarchitect]

Take note of the moment during the interaction that he said, "Alright, we're done here." It was while the administrator on the phone was explaining that it's not her fault, but it's administration policy. He arrested her while her boss was explaining that there is nothing that she can do. It felt to me that he wanted to take action before it was clearly laid out that she did not have the authority to allow him to have blood drawn.

[@tedphillips2501]

Sounds like the cop is a potential TSA employee.

[@deborahtschopp4337]

They should have waited for administrators because they should be dealing with this. She should sue and all the officers in the struggle of taking her should loose their jobs and face charges.

[@pedinurse1]

They should have called for a hospital administrator immediately to be present or a supervisor, this could have been avoided, The hospital representative should have come immediately.

[@StillPooh62]

Weeks after the accident, how would a blood draw have any relevance? It would only have mattered in the immediate aftermath. The patient is sedated and intubated, and presumably chock full of narcotics. I'm confused.

[@mweinheim7911]

Denise Brauner this lab rat is confused as well. Not going to detect alcohol that far after the accident.

[@debralewis621]

PLEASE NOTE: IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, AND IS CONSIDERED ASSAULT AND BATTERY, IF YOU TOUCH A PATIENT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT! Had that nurse allowed the blood draw, she could have been sued civilly, and criminally for allowing the blood draw without the patient’s consent, without a warrant, without the patient being under arrest! This has been drilled into every student nurse from day, one of their nursing-student career! Why are these officers arresting her for not breaking the law? In addition, there are federal laws under the HIPAA rules that forbid sharing of information with ANYONE for any reason without the patient’s consent. No matter what that officer had to say to the nurse while he was standing at the car, it held no weight. it was absolutely black and white. They did not have a warrant, and the patient was unconscious - - therefore unable to give consent. The patient was not under arrest. As per the agreement between the hospital and the police department, since the patient was not under arrest, and the aforementioned two stipulations were not met, this nurse could NOT allow a blood draw. What could have happened, in a matter of minutes, was that the officers who spent so much time at the hospital, decided not to speak to a judge over the phone and get a warrant. This would’ve taken 10 minutes at the most. It seems evident, by the police officer statement when he was at the car, that this department has tried this before, and did not the pushback that they got at the time. He stated that that hospital has, in the past, given them a difficult time in situations like this. The nurse was doing her job. The police officers did not do theirs. In fact, they broke the law! He wanted her to listen to everything he had to say would not listen to a thing she had to say in explanations. I applaud this nurse. She is a true patient advocate, and even if she was not doing it, for that reason, she was acting in the best interest of the patient. I want to explain why he has to get a warrant from a judge to do a blood draw on a person in custody for a DUI. IT IS BECAUSE THE POLICE CANNOT FORCE A PERSON TO GIVE A BLOOD SAMPLE WITHOUT A WARRANT!

[@plynwow]

Seeing as how he's not a states attorney or AG, he is not the judge jury and executioner. People like him aren't supposed to be cops.

[@padmeraven7290]

OH BELIEVE me cops LOVE to throw their authority around, one time I had a patient caregiver who threatened to have my license suspended because I wouldn't tell him the results of his child's sleep study. We aren't allowed to give any results because the study has to be looked at by a doctor

[@alejandradiazruiz16]

It’s so hard for me to see this video. It hurts to see two professions that are suppose to be helping one another, staying by each other’s side. Student nurse here. Love you guys btw! And from the beginning we are taught that we as nurses are the patients advocates when they can’t speak for themselves . We are there to serve and protect our patients rights.

[@katieb2098]

I'm studying to be a nurse and that spiked serious anxiety in me , I can't imagine how she felt .. that poor lady.

[@brijsmi072]

There is no excuse for the attack...period. He has no legal leg to stand on, and if you watch the full version from the other cam, it is obvious that this is the rule, rather than the exception. It is not her job to pick and choose when the police do and do not have an exception to policy AND THE LAW; hence the clear cut and unambiguous policy. Local news said that she IS suing the city and she should. I usually defend police too...but SLC has been plagued with rampant corruption recently. Assaulting a nurse is an automatic felony in Utah, as well. As a side note, I am in Utah. My wife is an ER nurse about 20 miles north of this University hospital. My wife found out about this video on-shift last night and was not able to sleep this morning because we were both so upset by it. I can only imagine what I'd do if this happened to my wife, as she would certainly be the same defender of patient rights that Alex was. We love your videos and your viewpoint on a no-BS approach to the crap providers put up with; that being said, the Utah being "High AF" is incredibly beneath you and shows a glaringly naieve and bigoted point of view laying it on Mormons. A prescription drug problem in Utah is somehow CAUSED by devout mormons' moral code? Like I said...that's beneath you.

[@user-xy4ff5yp7b]

He probably beats his wife too judging by his behaviour. What a disgusting thug. Kudos to the amazing nurse and glad she got compensation!

[@Jenny-uv4dl]

I thought the same I thought wow this is how he acts sober in public with an audience how would he BE drunk in a domestic situation

[@Hillerytheawkwardvegan]

I. Am. Angry.

[@Marco-nx5tj]

42 grow up

[@erinn4114]

TOTALLY OUTRAGED!

[@richardpeters69]

Wow, somebody's in trouble, give me your gun(s) and badge(s). After reading into this further, this is getting good. SLCPD has got a corruption case building, that nurse could help you with the big hole in your foot. Stay tuned, my lawyer friends all have priapism over this. Nurse of the year.

[@kami3984]

the thing that pisses me off even more is that not ONE other cop was like "bro calm down." they all just stood around and let him manhandle her

[@cinnie63]

I read some comments from some other sites that the refusal of the nurse and hospital policy could have caused a delay that meant they wouldn't have had blood from the patient. Meaning they wouldn't be able to test for dugs or alcohol. Wrong I can tell you unequivocally that they drew blood to treat this patient. All patients this critical would have had blood drawn almost as soon as they reached the ED. And blood after it is drawn is sent to the lab, tested and stored. No blood is discarded immediately, whether tested or not, it is stored in the lab for a period of time. Usually several days or up to a week if the lab has the space. Blood bank specimens are kept the longest. So a warrant could have been obtained and stored blood could have been used. It is done all the time, when a patient dies under certain circumstances, the coroner will even have the lab pull and hold blood for an investigation if necessary. SO THIS WAS ALL UNNECESSARY. All they had to do was get a warrant but from what I have read they didn't have probable cause.

[@Cuffsmaster]

The delay argument is useless. They didn't have probable cause to get a warrant to extract blood.

[@patriciaryan3164]

karen bennett I came on here to say that, I work in a blood science lab and we often have to provide pre transfusion samples for police investigations. There is no need to bleed the patient again. This whole situation was unnecessary.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

I heard the cops had gone through a high-speed chase and the perp was dead,the innocent man he hit was the one they wanted the blood for. Since he probably knew this, the reason he wanted the blood is questionable at the least.

[@cinnie63]

Patricia Ryan agree totally, I'm an MT.😷🤕Go lab!

[@drwsumnerdavis3571]

Your point is that HIPPA and the Constitution should be violated because he was a pt??

[@luckynbr13]

I feel like this is an open and shut case. You can't obtain evidence without a warrant and that covers blood as well. A good person to reach out to on youtube would be @donutoperaor, he does an awesome job at breaking down police videos in a rather fair way using his experiance as a LEO

[@AviRox1154]

luckynbr13 It'll be interesting to see Officer401's take on the situation as well.

[@luckynbr13]

I considered throwing him in there as well

[@paulettebarrow9791]

The cop says hes been doing this for twenty years,ok so hes been breaking the law for twenty years,what none of the cops there no the law,welcome to the police state,she said she wasn't going to sue but i think she should or this will keep happening again and again,this cop is a bully and if he does this on camera just think about what he does off camera,the guy they want the blood from was hit by a guy they were chasing,they have no right to take is blood,wow people need to watch closely

[@richardpeters69]

The brings into question every, every, piece of evidence this guy has collected. Every case involving evidence collected by this guy requires reexamination and perhaps retrial. Rabbit hole.

[@veravitchiamanusorn1167]

To have “Obstruction of Justice” must have warrant from judge.

[@meagangarrison9066]

This is absolutely infuriating! He snapped because he was embarrassed that a nurse was telling him no in front of his cops. She did absolutely nothing wrong. She wasn't angry or yelling and the hospital admin made that decision, she just relayed it. No grounds for an arrest or treating her the way he did. Fuck him. I am pissed.

[@Jenny-uv4dl]

He was angry A WOMEN TOLD HIM NO!!!

[@keeks8817]

It’s been a year and a half and this still make my blood boil. Cops like that should be fired and banned from the profession.

[@elphaba46]

The Administrator usually will speak directly to whomever has the complaint. I live in NYC. There's no way the Administrator would just be on speaker phone. Also where was the NURSING ADMINISTRATOR? In my hospital there's one on site, on EVERY SHIFT. That person is called to intervene.

[@joshuak8837]

oh hell no! WTF? Even if the officer had the right to take this patient's blood, which it doesn't seem that he does, that's not how one professional deals with another. Ever. Period. Here is how I respond when I see bullshit like this email for the salt lake city police department (Says ask the chief, but you know that person wont see it) -- [e-mail] email address for the mayor of salt lake city (also know its answered by some jobber) [e-mail] salt lake city counselmen/women [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] Utah state senators for salt lake -- senate.utah.gov/senators/full-roster.html [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] Utah State house of representatives -- www.le.utah.gov/house2/representatives.jsp [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] [e-mail] Utah Senators to the US Senate Senator Mike Lee -- online form only -- www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact Senator Orrin Hatch -- online form only -- www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin Utah Representatives to the US house Mia Love -- online form only -- love4utah.com/contact/ Chris Stewart and Rob Bishop don't want to hear from you unless you live in his district. Typical politicians Utah Governor Gary Herbert -- online form -- gocentral.utah.gov/Request/Contact?response=false Send messages to them all. Make sure that anyone who has any tiny degree of influence or control over the salt lake police department understand that what happened in that hospital is completely and totally unacceptable.

[@deborahlavers6788]

Can the blood even be used if there is no warrant. It's not even admissible in court

[@dandelionc69]

Where are her coworkers? She should not dealing with this by herself.

[@realityvanguard2052]

You are under arrest for not letting me arrest you

[@Fede_uyz]

The police complain that they should not get flak for following the law/policy. Yet, when an incovenient law/policy pops up they get all fired up. GLAD HE GOT FIRED, I HOPE HE DOESNT GET ANOTHER JOB

[@Gorog002]

All these years later and this still can still boil my blood

[@robinporter6699]

Just to point out--the officer reaches for her and places his hands on her before saying anything about being under arrest. I have heard some people respond that "while he didn't handle it perfectly--she shouldn't have resisted." She can't be accused of "resisting arrest" if he places his hands on her prior to telling her she's under arrest (that's assault). This nurse did what all of us who work in healthcare are trained to do in a dangerous or emotionally charged situation. We are trained to deescalate. We are told to place distance between ourselves and the person who is threatening us. That's what she did. A great deal of power is entrusted to law enforcement and with great power comes great responsibility. In no way do I believe that abuse of power is prolific within law enforcement--but abuse of power does happen. For too long, abuse of power in law enforcement has been marginalized because the most frequent and publicized incidence of that abuse can be excused away because the officer perceives danger (for example: a young black man wearing a hoodie walking at night in a rough neighborhood). It is my hope that this incident (where there is no possibility that anyone could reasonably believe this officer felt threatened) shines a light on the fact that the abuse of power is happening, and that we must begin to hold law enforcement to a higher standard. With great power comes great responsibility--law enforcement must be held responsible for any abuse of power and law enforcement agencies MUST change the culture and training of their personnel so these incidents do not happen.

[@ladyshamen]

Is there any way we could get an interview with the nurse? I know that she's lawyered up so she won't be talking soon, but maybe sometime after it blows over?

[@jamielancaster01]

The nurse who was arrested is Alex Shaffer-Wubbels - she competed in Alpine Skiing for the United States in the Winter Olympics in 1998 & 2002 (she is an American hero). Another city about to loose millions in a lawsuit because of incompetent cops. The officer was arguing that he had "implied consent" - however, “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that the Constitution permits warrantless breath tests in drunken-driving arrests, but not warrantless blood tests.

[@LaSmoocherina]

Jamie Lancaster did you see the 19 minute clip? Another cop asks questions about the patient and she refuses to answer due to protecting her patient's privacy. Aka HIPAA!

[@ckotcher1]

Michele Eslick Where is this 18 minute clip? I can't find it thanks

[@tomaskuli177]

Troll Bait All over KZbin. Google it.

[@neil6958]

There is the story of the Olympians, and how they beat the Titans... Who used to rule the Universe. This may be a parallel story to that.

[@deland1360]

But she did everything the best way as possible. Don’t fight don’t resist bit the bullet. Then sue.

[@purpleprincessang6812]

Wowwwwww I'm glad she fought!!!!! The cop gets what he deserves what a ignorant man hes another embarrassment to all good cops!!!!!!👆🤮 God bless her!!!!!!!! Shes the hero!!!!!

[@dlivengood59]

I keep hearing how cops are trained to de escalate situations. In my job I've taken extensive classes on de escalating situations. Beating the crap out of or threatening violence was never in any of my classes.

[@benadams3569]

Someone else made a similar observation, but I will echo. The cop just didn't like to be told "no." I could hear in the tone of his voice during the first viewing that he was probably an ass hole who rarely heard that word from anyone.....or thought he shouldn't hear it from anyone.

[@Jenny-uv4dl]

Totally agree imagine being his romantic partner

[@ReineDeLaSeine14]

He snapped when the admin said he was making a big mistake. He was challenged and knew he was in the wrong perhaps and panicked?

[@katieb2098]

It seems he has a personality disorder if that's the case .

[@kendavis8046]

Payne just liked (probably still does) beating up women. This is a comment nearly 3 years later, I know, but I go back and review it about every six months, and this is the first time I ran across your channel. But your analysis is spot on.

[@kaylareddable]

This could have easily been on a weekend when there isn't Administration when there isn't the extra staff involved

[@helenggme]

An administrator is available 24 hours a day. That's why they get the big bucks.

[@pbpb-he6gx]

@@helenggme yes but was not likely physically in the building

[@thecman26]

She's about to get rich!

[@paulettebarrow9791]

@thec,She said she wasnt going to sue she just wanted to make a point,i think she should sue big time,if she doesnt nothing will change with this cop

[@bjarnepedersen9415]

It is somthing the police has agred to

[@MG-rk5ne]

You guys are awesome at being pc... I work side by side with nurses and no one is laying a hand on my nurse.

[@AWBOFCL]

Elephant says " F the police". I agree with the nurse. "My dialog with the cop would have went like this" I would have walked away and said let me grab my superior. This is beyond my pay grade.

[@mrhendison19]

He just got mad because she didn't answer about getting blood. He reached out for the phone and she moved. He got mad.

[@markescartin6613]

Everyone at the hospital starting with director of nursing, The university police chief AND the spineless hospital administrator SHOULD BE FIRED!

[@ZepMag]

Very disturbing... It's clear this was just rage. These are attributes of someone who should not be in an authoritative position like this. No excuse...

[@joseesqueda9666]

And the detective is given a paid vacation for dragging the nurse for doing her job. They need to be placed on leave without pay

[@shervinb5858]

Some Law enforcement officers think they have the authority to treat people however they want They need to be reminded and taught a badge and a uniform doesn't make them above anyone else EVERYONE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW, NO EXCEPTIONS

[@olov244]

a couple thoughts, if it's been this much time, couldn't they have easily gotten a judges order by now? and after all that, did they even get the blood or was this just about arresting a nurse who told them no? and I get why he grabbed her that way, because it's needed sometime, but it's not needed all the time and shouldn't be the case, if he said, "I'm sorry mam, I have orders to arrest you can you come with me and we'll straighten this out at the precinct" she probably would have come much easier. stuff like that drives me nuts, even people who think they're in the right can come peacefully.

[@dhmichigan7877]

Why didn't the University Police Officers intervene

[@shannonescott5732]

I hope the mutherfucker gets what’s coming to him. I’m sure he understands rules(laws) or procedures. She gave him no reason except to say no. Very unprofessional

[@michelleeaton6602]

Shannon Escott The police officer was fired 10 week’s later, his supervisor was demoted two ranks back down to officer, and the nurse settled for $500,000. Fantastic outcome. But this NEVER should have happened. This nurse was following the law and hospital procedure and standing firm to protect her patient. I felt nauseated watching the video clip. Here is more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Wubbels

[@a.k.7341]

I hope the scumbag gets hurt in the line of duty and has to beg nurses for help. hilarious!

[@LaSmoocherina]

This nurse is a hero. Here is the 19 min video- kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5rEaKSpZZatZ68 I didn't hear her break HIPAA in the long form (19min) video. In fact, I hear her PROTECTING his privacy when the 2nd cop asks what kind of state was he in when he entered the hospital. She wouldn't answer him citing privacy!

[@carolynchilders6726]

That was disgusting how the treated the nurse. I can't believe this would happen in a hospital. She clearly was on the phone getting answers on how to handle it

[@startastictime3529]

As a former CNA even I know that the patients rights are the very most important. Especially those who are unable to speak for themselves. This "cop" and I use that term loosely is the very reason people are afraid of police. He was completely out of line. I pray he is fired and arrested for aggravated assault of a woman.

[@nyearous]

Also how long did they wait to get the blood sample? Is the suspected drugs out of their system? And if they are on a burn unit they will be getting morphine, etc for pain.

[@trimblephillip]

don't use Facebook much but shared to ALL family/friends and coworkers (ems, all nurses, MDs, mid levels, and LE ) on my account. 100+ total. 11 yr er rn and yes had a somewhat similar situation, thankfully not this extreme.

[@erinn-nicole]

Exactly what I was thinking: if she wasn't in scrubs, would this still have gone down like this?

[@marshachesbro5969]

What a mess.Why didn't they get a warrant. I heard the patient was already there a month ?

[@jennyhurst4562]

The more I hear the worse it is.

[@courtneyharris8430]

Also, the cop never reads her rights. Doesn't that make it unlawful detainment? Not wanting to argue, just genuinely curious.

[@dlhanson51]

No, not reading Miranda rights only limits court admissibility of whatever the arrestee says.

[@kylep120]

He doesn't have to read the miranda rights right when he arrests her. He can do that right before he is about to question questions her. I am not defending his conduct. I'm just pointing out that he doesn't have to automatically read the rights to her while he is cuffing her. A lot of misconceptions we get about police work comes from television and movies.