Archery | Thumb Rings

[@nosystem1098]

I would have appreciated a close up sequence of how the ring hooks on and how the fingers are configured.

[@tbcoachniblick1208]

Not too many explain this technique very completely... tried to use it just from looking at archers shooting it but didn't have any success...

[@Daryll-t8x]

​@@tbcoachniblick1208any success? Im new to stick and string former mathews shooter lived it but i now need to something new but old. 😊 enough about me if u have success can you makea video and thank u in advance wven if you dont answer i still Thank You 😊

[@SaturnGrl]

@@Daryll-t8x here, try reading pages 20-22 from this: koreanbow.com/Freddie-Archery-Catalogue.pdf

[@sebastienraymond3648]

I don't know if I imagine things (it's possible lol ..), but has anyone noticed that our discipline (traditional archery) is slowly becoming more and more popular all over the world, and oddly enough the Asians / The Turkish shooting style is also gaining popularity among regular fans and veterans of our own sport. Nice weekend to all.

[@iamnotavictim69]

Yes for me Fasho

[@ameliawitchell3085]

Indeed.

[@iamnotavictim69]

It has some learning curve, also accentuated by the fact that most local stores don't know much about it or carry what you need makes it harder. But it just makes more sense to shoot like this.

[@sebastienraymond3648]

@@iamnotavictim69 Indeed, depending on where you live, the shops offering archery equipment varies in quality. At least that's my case here in Quebec, Canada. And those rare shop who devote themselves to archery equipment, are often too expensive compared to the average price that one can find on the internet. When a local merchant asks me for an additional $100 for an item that would normally come back to me around $250 .. you can believe me that I say thank's but no thank's and I salute him, but just with a finger.. I let you guess which one. . :-) Have a nice day !

[@OldNavajoTricks]

I think in part it's popularity is due to the preparedness movements currently burgeoning worldwide, Swords and bows are preferable in countries where firearms are less widely available, but also more practicable longterm as materials and processes are far simpler to obtain and perform in the dreaded/awaited Societal collapse, And of course pre-collapse, the savvy have cottoned onto the trend in thought and are making their last few dollars from the demand.

[@jakeenders7]

I had a blood blister from shooting thumb draw. Decided one more shot was all I needed. Blister exploded-splattered all over my cheek.

[@kaikart123]

wow, that's nasty

[@Susikohmelo]

I'm confused. Is this a warning or a boast?

[@rblackmore1445]

@@Susikohmelo hahahahah i read his comment and was thinking hmm weird what does he even mean and read your comment ahahaha

[@jake4194]

@@Susikohmelo I took it as a gross but kinda cool story lol

[@Kara_Pabuc]

I love to see you talking about Eastern archery more and more recently.

[@mustafagordon7155]

i know Im randomly asking but does someone know of a way to get back into an instagram account? I stupidly lost the login password. I love any help you can give me!

[@kaiwillie1466]

@Mustafa Gordon Instablaster =)

[@jacktribble5253]

I got a bow as a gift when I was twelve and I didn't have any formal archery training. I just went to the thumb draw instinctively. Later, in high school, I had an archery class in PE. They taught me to draw with three fingers. It still doesn't feel natural... I'm forty-seven.

[@kaikart123]

Same here, when I got the first toy bow I instantly going for thumb draw. It's just so natural.

[@ulvesparker]

My preferred thumb ring is leather for the best balance between feel and reinforcement. I only use thumb rings for higher (55+) weight bows. Thumb draw has 3 distinct advantages, if these factors matter to you. 1) improved consistency, especially brass and bone almost like a trigger release, 2) slight advantage in reloading/resetting, and 3) since the index finger "locks" the thumb and arrow, one can also shoot from any angle, any orientation, and while moving even.

[@marektaziar5402]

In old manuscripts, leather protection is described as a better option for consistency and accuracy.

[@kaikart123]

@@marektaziar5402 yea, the militaries use leather thumb ring because it's cheap and flexible, the reason is they need quantity and shooting speed to rain down arrows on the enemies.

[@beautyandthesimp]

@@kaikart123 sotoy!

[@markod7662]

Thumbs up for thumb draw and also for this nice video.

[@martink2875]

Learning online about a thumb ring after deciding to buy a Korean bow. Step n#1 - Do a zillion of researches of why whynots, hows and do's Step n#2 - Watching this great video and deciding a gaffer tape self-made ring will do. I just need to mind the layering "away from the thumb" in order to not to stain the bowstring. Easy to replace every month, almost zero money cost. Case solved. Tens of bucks saved. Thanks a bunch.

[@timothyphillips5442]

Very enjoyable introduction for me - thank you very much.

[@alexanderflack566]

Personally, I've found that I don't like the design of those for heavier draw weights. The Alibow Painless worked fine for 35#, but at 67# the thumb ring actually split my skin above the joint because of where the force was being directed. For heavier draw weights like that, I found that a more aggressive angle (such as a Manchu, Turkish, or Gao Ying style thumb ring) seems to work better. I got a Gao Ying from Custom Thumb Rings in stainless steel, and it was significantly more comfortable (incidentally, from the texture of it, I'm fairly certain that they 3D print those using a DMLS machine; they were certainly fine with making it to an extremely precise size).

[@paulvoragen8288]

I ordered that horn thumb ring too, but it was to thick, I’d recommend the korean thumb rings by freddie archery, those are better to use and more high quality, and they are just slightly more expensive

[@PureZOOKS]

I shoot Japanese style with a yumi, I wanted a glove but learned that they are more expensive than the bow, so I just use the thumb part of the glove.

[@kaikart123]

Well, a Yumi bow has pretty light draw weight so you don't really need a full glove. Just use a leather thumb ring and that's all you need.

[@rblackmore1445]

you can always make yourself a wooden thumb ring from some old bed leg or any other big enough chunk of hardwood

[@patrickowens7924]

actually made some fairly good thumbrings out of PVC nearly 2 year ago, they've held up to the steady practise well.

[@mianumairraza4241]

I am maker of this ring

[@mianumairraza4241]

I make this

[@HanSolo__]

Your videos are very helpful and packed to the top cap with the knowledge of the practicing and how-to descriptions. Thank you a lot. I subscribed right at the very beginning of my archery adventure. I wish you a Happy New Year.

[@brucenovotny5924]

Very good presentation and clarification. Thanks. 🙂👍🇨🇦

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

Don't know nothing about it, but I would guess that thumb rings weren't "thought to" target shooting. I think they were designed to combat situations, where you have to fire fast and many, MANY times. In other words, maybe you can shoot alright with thumb release without a ring if you are not going to shoot like 30 times in a row. I would love to discover, but I don't have a horse bow, they are too hard to make and obscenely expensive here =( p.s. the way you draw the arrows from your quiver is SO stylish

[@tea5264]

Nu your eastern shooting form is so good! Khatra and crescent moon release looks great!

[@thelifeandtimesofjames4273]

Really helpful video. Thanks for making it.

[@ronsarchery6378]

I have several different thumb rings, and I have watched how to use them correctly. I still have the best luck with the Gao Ying, but I have yet to get away from the pain in the thumb and the index finger. I have watched Armin Hirmer over and over and still no luck.

[@mystiekmelody8857]

That wasn't silly at all. 🙂 I was actually just thinking about if I needed two one for the left and one for the right so I could shoot either handed.

[@apoetra]

Now I think you need a horse to gain the ultimate advantages of these type of bow. Cant wait to see you speed shooting by holding the arrow with the draw hand 👍

[@skylerslack12]

Shooting barefingered is a good way to damage the nerves on your fingertips,

[@JWBBows]

Great video! 🙏🏻

[@jonoedwards4195]

Great Show! Armi at Malta Archery has a built in Turbo Thumb Ring? It is another Unreal part of Our Great Sport that We all should Experience. Beauty Nui.

[@jakeenders7]

Jono Edwards I like your profile photo.

[@gligor03]

"Leather tumbrings were more common" - Amin brat!

[@humphrey7079]

Took me a minute to realize he says chuck or throw because KZbin demonetizes people when you say shoot stuff That or he just likes to say throw or fling instead of shoot That works too

[@AdlerMow]

What we can say... WTF KZbin! There should be more competition, atleast some companies that are willing to respect their own customers/creators!

[@frequencydecline5250]

"Shoot" won't get you demonetized.

[@humphrey7079]

r. decline shoot is associated with guns on KZbin so I'd imagine saying shoot anything KZbin would determine it as gun violence stuff so that would get you demonetized

[@tableauxofficial7895]

@@humphrey7079 how do you describe pool moves then? What about skeet ball ? What about the sport in the Olympics call "shot put ?" I think it's a matter of how you base your tagging/ linking things to your channel rather than over reaching for demonitozation. Now cussing, racism, sexism, slander, etc. That might just do the trick. A single word should have to be validated within the context used to be demonitized. If it's not then YT needs to fix their policies. They are gonna lose alot of people for bullying the crap out of their own site. Funny how there's so many more companies commercialing their ads and campaigns... Why not make it harder for them?

[@kaikart123]

@@tableauxofficial7895 that's precisely why KZbinrs getting mad at KZbin, they associate even the littlest thing to gun and instantly demonetize them. This is why so many content creator now rely on Patreon so they can use the correct term "shoot" freely.

[@another_mechanical_engineer]

Thank you sensei

[@zulkarneynyavuz8974]

The Turkish Rings!

[@ianlulu]

i learned about this from a video game. was one of the tech upgrades in age or empires 2 lol

[@CulturedPotato]

Horse archery mentioned!

[@chappledesign]

These bows are so cool. Does the leather wrap on the limbs slow the bow speed down? Does it reduce shock?

[@NUSensei]

They are mostly decorative. The material is too light to have a tangible effect on bow performance.

[@Xyldor]

Very interesting. I shoot 50# to 70# so use the metal rings. One method of getting your metal ring to fit (such as the heavy duty Turkish one) is to have one which is slightly oversize then squeeze it in a vice to make it more oval. This makes it tighter when in the correct position and you just give it a quarter turn to loosen it and get it off. One question I have. I've come across "Archers rings" from China which are cylinders made of stone. Are these for the bow hand for resting the arrow on ? I can't see how they could be used on the string hand. I also noticed that in "Dirilis Ertugral" (a Turkish TV series) that they used rings of similar shape to yours on the string hand but had metal tubes on the bow hand thumb, so I guess the Chinese ones are similar.

[@quisazaderak9257]

the stone rings are for the string hand, manchu rings!

[@Xyldor]

@@quisazaderak9257 Thank you for the reply. I've just looked up manchu thumb rings and watched the videos so now understand how they are used. I may try one to see how easy it is to keep the ring on the thumb.

[@jonc67uk]

Shallow hook from Alibow, and the king of Ruis ring from cinnabar bow are both really nice. Get a cleaner release 😁

[@thelonerider9693]

Silly question but since the arrow goes on the other side of the bow how do us left eye dominant people aim? I spent an hour trying this and my arrows were all over the place lol. Would like to try this as another style of shooting but it'd be nice to be able to aim!

[@Unlocos.]

You have to use left hand to shoot then

[@thelonerider9693]

@@Unlocos. Thanks!

[@Wishbringer7]

As others have mentioned... a bit more information on how to place the thumb ring and fingers would have been valuable.

[@kaikart123]

My joint and skin got really hurt using bare thumb draw, I couldn't bear with it anymore so I bought a brass thumb ring, lmao.

[@jacobmadden110]

Can you use these with a recurve effectively? I’m currently using just a finger tab

[@iamnotavictim69]

Thanks for the video, what's that bow you are shooting there Sensei? Respect 🙏🏼

[@davidsalman8362]

Nunu-Sama!! You should try King Rui's Thumb ring

[@tbcoachniblick1208]

Amazing that the string doesn't catch the corner of your glasses...!!🤔

[@Vellikos]

Hi NuSensei -- I was wondering if you had any advice on how to ease discomfort while shooting? I'm only using a 25# bow, but even after just a few arrows, I notice that my thumb begins to feel sore/hurt. I'm not sure if I'm overhooking my thumb around the string, my ring is not a snug enough fit, or what, but it's been enough to impede my practice. Summer and Winter thumb aren't as much of an issue in my case, because I'm in Florida, and it's almost always 72F or higher. Also, would you consider doing a video on sizing one's thumb for a thumbring? It's not a topic that is very well covered in English, it would seem

[@baseermirza2947]

Can u plz make a video on turkish grip. Beleive it or not there's not a single youtube video that explains it.

[@FATHIMUZAKKKR]

NuSensei....why when i shoot thumbdraw,my arrow tend to go to the right? My arrows went far right not flying straight? Is it the string twist? And how to solve it?

[@TruthBeliever5557]

How far can you draw the Turkish bow? Will it break if you draw it to 30 inches?

[@MarkNorman_NXTLVL]

I throw arrows with thumb release, I have 2 thumb rings - I still prefer my calloused thumb :) just feels better to me thats all

[@mianumairraza4241]

I make this

[@MrJoshdude101]

cheers!

[@rblackmore1445]

i doubt you can break a ring with heavy draw, at least not if you are pressing on the outer side of the arch, you will need for sure more than 100lbs and even thoe it seems hard

[@jaredrowendolas8757]

Just remeber that thumb ring does not affect towers.

[@kaikart123]

If I am not remembering wrong, you can repeat research thumb ring and eventually make your archers a gattling gunner

[@root123]

Can you string walk with rings?

[@MrTacitGrunt]

I tried using thumb draw for the first time a few weeks ago. 20# bow, I didn't have a ring, after about 9 arrows I stopped because my thumb was numb. Was fun though

[@marektaziar5402]

After year of training I'm comfortable with 50# bow without ring. It is all about technique. Strength comes from clench and not from thumb.

[@mrnice752]

@@marektaziar5402 The pain/numbness isn't in the thumb muscle, it's from pinching the nerve or bruising the pad before it's conditioned. It's like when you learn to play guitar, you get terrible blisters on your finger tips for the first few months

[@marektaziar5402]

​@@mrnice752 But 20# bow and 9 arrows ? There must be something wrong with technique.

[@kaikart123]

hol up, 20# bow is very light. I am a skinny and weak yet I could still bare thumb draw my 40# bow all day (until I got fed up with sore joint and skin). You must be doing something really wrong.

[@firewaterforgeofarizona4304]

Can you recommend a vendor for brass rings?

[@empyrionin]

Why is a thumb release with a bare thumb rare? I made and shot bows since I was little and that was literally the way it came naturally to me and everyone around in my neighborhood. Do people not do that anymore? It's basically the most natural way even a child considers grabbing an arrow.

[@valeriemcdonald440]

Can you use different draw styles when you compete in barebow competitions? Just curious.

[@NUSensei]

Specifically which barebow competitions?

[@valeriemcdonald440]

@@NUSensei Good point, I did not think this through. I guess a world competition. (I am fairly new to all things archery)

[@NUSensei]

@@valeriemcdonald440 Same question though: which world competition? Each competition has their own rule sets and definitions of "barebow".

[@valeriemcdonald440]

@@NUSensei Okay, I will revise the question: Are there any world class competitions at all that allow you to chose the way you draw, or is it typically restricted to one style?

[@NUSensei]

@@valeriemcdonald440 The Conquest Cup is an example of an international competition that allows for a range of bow types and draw styles. The World Horse Archery Championships are also similar in that the riders can choose whichever style they want to use.

[@edlechleiter7042]

Is the string held on the ring or below it ?

[@robertbrandywine]

So it's just for protection? Then what about the index finger? Why wouldn't it need protection?

[@NUSensei]

The index finger isn't hooked onto the string.

[@robertbrandywine]

@@NUSensei Thanks, somehow I missed the section starting around 3:45. That is very useful. I've been doing it wrong! No wonder I didn't like it.

[@robsarchery9679]

nice

[@AdlerMow]

Can you do a video on the pinch draw? This draw is used widely by native americans and tribal people around world! Its probably the first and oldest drawing method used, so no collection on archery is complete without explaining that.

[@gizmonomono]

One man can't cover all styles of archery competently. There are other channels that cover Native American styles. Check out Panagiotis.

[@kaikart123]

It's really hard without strong pinching on even 30# bow.

[@iamrocketray]

When I was a Kid(about 10) we used to play in the woods with home made bows and arrows, we used the pinch draw because we didn't know any other way, we only made small nocks on the arrows so the pinch draw held the arrow in place not the nock, very low draw weight bows, made from green wood and ordinary parcel string, But hey we were only kids!

[@jakeenders7]

What arrows are you using?

[@douglasburt1622]

It appears that you've driven a bit of something into the side of your right hand index finger. It looks suspiciously like a tiny feather quill. It's almost as if you have been shooting off that knuckle, too. So, you're a closet "ambidexter," aye whot? One with a rather high pain threshold, by the looks of it.

[@dm8994]

Mr. Sensei, I started shooting less than a year ago and very quickly decided to go for thumb ring style. I also wear glasses and I am scared the string will knock them off. I noticed you draw behind your glasses. What tips do you reccomend? Or are my fears unfounded? Thanks

[@notapplicable531]

A couple of things about using a thumb ring. In loosing an arrow, the string will travel outwards along the ring even as the string moves forward over the blade of the ring. This should take it past the side of your head and your glasses without contacting either. A second more relevant point is to cant your bow slightly. This will take the upper half of the string off the side of your head. The amount of cant mentioned to me by Korean friends at my jeong (club) is five degrees. In fact I cant my bow about 15 so as to allow me to see the target better. When using a thumb ring, the upper part of your index finger is used to apply slight pressure to the arrow just in front of the nock. This pressure will hold the arrow in the V formed by your gripping thumb and the side of the bow. This allows you to cant the bow thus taking the string away from you and your glasses. My wife wears glasses and barely cants her bow and has absolutely no contact with the string. Many other Koreans I shoot with shoot much the same as her. As far as canting your bow and getting the feel of it canted, try this. Just draw your bow, hold the draw, then let off. Take the time to sense where the string is at full draw. Have you drawn your hand in close to your neck? Is the string touching the side of your head? If it is, try canting the bow slightly and see if the string comes off your head. Now in truth, canting your bow after reaching full draw is not a good idea. In doing that, your gripping hand and arm will not be in the ideal position to loose an arrow. Rather, the canting of the bow should be done as part of the draw or better said as with-in the draw. In introducing new members to archery, Koreans do it in stages. 1. The first is simply drawing the bow without an arrow. The instructor watches and corrects their form. 2. When this initial stage is done well, an arrow is introduced and the process is repeated. I'll add here that the arrow makes a world of difference when it comes to getting your form down perfect. Note that there is still no shooting of an arrow. 3. However, the students will eventually go to a stand where they will shoot a tethered arrow. 4. When that is done well, they are then allowed to shoot at a target. This process usually takes about a month depending how often the students come to the jeong. In your case, and as you will be your own judge on how you are doing, I'd say do 2 until you feel your draw is good enough that the string will clear your head and glasses. Unless you have a tethered arrow or want to make one (about ten metres of para cord attached to an arrow's point in some manner and standing on its loose end will work), go to 4. Take your time overall and don't rush to get to shooting. One last bit of advice, don't rush your draw. Draw slowly so you can evaluate the draw and the amount of cant you are adding. Take the time in getting to full draw. I hope your bow's poundage is not so high that you struggle when drawing to full draw as that will hurt your evaluation and your form. Anyway, I hope you can find the confidence to go with a thumb ring as it will open up a whole new experience with your bow. Best and many hits.

[@kaikart123]

I also wear glasses, the string just won't touch your glasses because when you release it, it will slightly go to the outside of the bow before launching the arrow.

[@colinrobertson7580]

I noticed some wear on your bow from arrow friction. I have a leather arrow pass on my bow and it was ripped after 30 or so arrows. Is this something that I can mitigate with higher spine arrows or better use of khatra? Is it my fault or is the arrow pass just cheap or poorly designed?

[@NUSensei]

This is fairly common for bows of that particular grip and design. Believe me, when I look at some worn-out bows, that part of the bow is completely shot out. Other bow designs incorporate arrow-pass material that is more durable, such as rayskin, wood or bone.

[@notapplicable531]

Korean bowyers put a serving, be it monofilament, or a twisted or braided thread above and below the grip for about five cm. Where the arrow passes, a leather patch is glued on with contact cement. When the leather has wear to the extent that the serving shows, it is replaced. Spine is something to consider. Another thing to consider, is the type of arrows you have. Koreans use two types of arrows: carbon shafted ones with plastic vanes, and bamboo ones with pheasant feathers. The former can quickly wear out any kind of protection for your bow's limb if the spine of the arrows is off. I`ve tried several materials. You mentioned leather; you know the result with that. One bow I bought had a thin piece of bamboo. It wore out faster than leather. I`ve tried aluminum from a beer can. Once that wore through, the sharp edge started shaving carbon fibre from my arrows. It all came down to getting the spine to match the poundage of my carbon bows. In the case of bamboo and feathers, I haven`t had any wear ever, even with a soft leather patch. Koreans use a different system of measuring length and spine/weight of arrows. For the sake of brevity, I use arrows with a length of 6.5. I`ve shot 6.5 arrows with spines of 5.0 (light) to ones that were 7.0 (stiff). Regardless of spine, there was no wear. That`s my experience having shot both for 19 years now.

[@kaikart123]

@@NUSensei can you use teflon tape for a quick and slippery fix?

[@samiamm5764]

U can shrink that large steel ring. I would cradle it in a leather covered vice and tippity tap tap the loop with a hard and shiny steel object, chrome plated ratchets leave a wonderful hammered finish on the silver rings i make, it will ruin the ratchet unfortunately but sacrifices must be made

[@samesaw]

Lighting !!

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

How do you find out the top and bottom limb of horse bow?

[@gizmonomono]

The top is usually marked with the makers logo and draw weight. If not, look for the arrow pass. It's on the top part of the handle. If that's missing too, contact the maker of the bow. Depending on the price you may have a bow that can be shot both ways. Also, there are asymetrical bows where the top limb is longer than the bottom one

[@notapplicable531]

Most Korean bowyers who make carbon bows print their name or the company`s name below the grip and it`s written so it reads from the grip down. However, you would still have to be familiar with Hangeul or Chinese letters as you might read it upside down and not realize that. Hornbow bowyers only have two small labels with their name glued onto the sayahs. However, they usually mark the upper sayah with a Chinese character that means more or less top. The grip on a Korean bow is about eight to nine cm long. The diameter of the top is less than the bottom. This should cover most Korean bows.

[@picklewiickle.1583]

no just NU

[@haffoc]

I used to put electrical tape on my thumb.

[@gizmonomono]

For me, there is nothing better than leather. Thumb rings slide down my finger which requires constant ajustments, interfere with nocking the arrow, and just feel too cumbersome. And leather comes in a variety of thickness.

[@humphrey7079]

Oh and I figured I should point out I noticed you had your finger curled around your thumb I think your supposed to on,y use the finger tip in order to be able to have a smoother and quicker shot. I should point out I'm getting most of this from a modern rogue video lol

[@gizmonomono]

There are many ways to grip the thumb. Some people prefer one finger lock, others one and a half and you can also do two fingers as well. And then there are also a lot of variations of each. Do what feels best for you.

[@clovismeaux9532]

leather rings fly off with every shot. scam.

[@Silentbet1of]

Terrible camera angle dude

[@mikekupetsky6879]

Horrible lighting buddy. I feel like I'm watching children play finger puppets

[@datGuy0309]

First

[@datGuy0309]

Im so cool

[@notapplicable531]

@@datGuy0309 That`s debatable.

[@ervinchafin334]

You talk to much without saying anything helpful.