Podcast: The Sketchy Supplement Industry

[@DLFfitness1]

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan

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[@xTruncz]

​@Benson you're right, my friend, you're right

[@xnoreq]

@Benson I think it is quite clear why the human mind is doing this. First of all, we're inclined toward false-positive thinking. Secondly, we're inclined to believe our parents. Religions prey on these facts by having parents indoctrinate their children from before their brains have developed reasoning and critical thinking capabilities (which still would need to be trained ... but this is also deliberately avoided, shunned or even forbidden.) Once you've reached this point - which millions upon millions of religiously raised children growing into young adults have - there's another two facts that help "protecting" religious beliefs: one is that critical, rational thought is hard if you're not used to it and requires energy. Humans typically avoid such activities unless there's clear positive consequences. Another one is that the brain tries to keep discomfort to a minimum and statements that contradict your own beliefs can cause quite a lot of discomfort (cognitive dissonance). So the brain rejects the contradicting statements. I've seen this hundreds of times in people that would even use excuses like "I don't like you (the messenger)" to justify, in their mind, why rejecting the _message_ is okay. And then they walk away, because out of sight, out of mind. It makes them feel better, not worse, because it removes the discomfort and this has the negative effect of strengthening the irrational beliefs even further.

[@killershrew1]

​@@benson5967I successfully de-bamboozled myself from deeply ingrained fundamentalist christianity nearly 25 years ago but learning critical thinking and skepticism... started asking LOTS of questions (including, what harm is happening if all of this ISN'T true?)... Have been EXTREMELY happier ever since! Unfortunately few people seem to want to question their unsupported beliefs and go by "faith" (which I now consider to be one of the most dangerous things on the planet)... I've influenced a few people to question their faith though which is good...

[@sherriawilliams8617]

The segment on calcium supplements was eye opening. I didnt take a calcium supplement every day, yet it was regular consumption. I stopped today after listening to your podcast. The more I listen, the more I find myself changing my eating lifestyle. Thank you!

[@jeaninep9178]

Thanks Dr. Greger. You are a light in a challenging storm of fraud and lack of scientific data when it comes to our health. Keep it up!!!

[@KJSvitko]

Lie, cheat and steal is all too common today. Greed and selfishness is every where. You can not trust people, businesses, or government to be honest and truthful. Parents and teachers stopped teaching children the "golden rule" 40 years ago and now honesty and caring for others keeps declining. Society and business can not function if no one can be trusted to tell the truth.

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[@xnoreq]

Because in a capitalistic society, the accumulation of wealth is more important than everything else. Resources (which of course includes humans in capitalism), the environment, etc. are all sacrificed.

[@sergekamga4512]

After 6 years of keto and getting more sick I’m now convinced plant based diet is the best diet for mankind. I’m almost 3 weeks in. Just quitting all animal products makes me feel awesome. I’m thrilled to combine vegan with plant based. Thank you dr Greger.

[@Prodigious1One]

I used to take a calcium supplement from Family Dollar. It tasted very bland. Then I took a vegan, organic calcium supplement. It tasted great and made me feel good in my brain, but it was expensive. Now I just eat 1/2 cup or 3/4 cup of almonds for calcium.

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[@lilith7706]

There is no such thing as a vegan, organic calcium...

[@StarshipBambooBadger]

Thank you so much for covering this topic! After watching the Front line on the industry, I never took vitiams or supplements again and relied on my diet instead. These industries run as legal organized crime hiding behind the magic phrase "dietary supplements".

[@madamecurious]

I cannot find a plant milk (almond, oat or soy milk) without CALCIUM CARBONATE added. Does someone know where to find unfortified plant milk?

[@smilebot484]

eden has a soy milk without any additives including sugar. it's delicious too.

[@madamecurious]

@@smilebot484 oh thank you so much for your reply!!

[@elenaanderson8346]

Simply Almond which I buy at the Big Y…

[@sungheelee9358]

Or Trader Joe’s brand of soy beverage- just water and organic soy

[@madamecurious]

@@sungheelee9358 thank you!!!

[@SanctuaryofHecateBrimo]

Some folks have to take them. I have a malabsorption disorder that cause me have severe anemia. My iron was 4 last year when I stopped taking my vitamins due to being concerned about their sketchy practices. I ended up needing a year of iron infusions. Now I take a bariatric vitamin recommended by the Johns Hopkins. Now I'm much better. Some of us have no choice. :(

[@HegelsOwl]

Consumer Reports told us all about so called "supplements" through the '80's. Just inert ingredients or/and sugar. Good to know some things never change.

[@meegy2]

What about the calcium in plant milk? Is it fine since it's a small amount?

[@adiposerex5150]

I quit taking it when I heard about the heart attacks reported. Now I only drink organic soymilk that is fortified with plant calcium, the healthier type.

[@fragitude]

@@sO_RoNerY sounds boring.

[@SOMEONE-ry6gm]

Hey! Is it possible to lower estrogen or boost testosterone through nutrition?

[@naomimay82]

Lowering estrogen, yes!! I am not sure about testosterone, but I am a female who was estrogen dominant. I ate a ton of cooked cruciferous veggies to flush out estrogen. I avoid dairy because it is loaded with estrogen.

[@immortalityIMT]

Probably more effective to make them susceptible to class actions, rather than regulation.

[@johnszish581]

Why is calcium added to many non calcium supplements filler s?

[@jeannedegrood9966]

Is Anthony's Brewer's Yeast powder safe and effective supplement??

[@sudd3660]

i do not blame the industry, they just play the money game so well, and we refuse to change the game....... we have the alternatives but do not like change so here we are, we did it to ourselves.

[@smorales1489]

@@sO_RoNerY because people like convenience.

[@chewbrookaw8588]

Is the calcium added to soy milk just as dangerous as the supplements? I do not want to stop drinking soy milk, but don’t want to be getting lots of harmful calcium supplementation in each cup!!

[@catecurl3790]

Good on you doc. You and your intrepid team. 👍After quite a few years (and well founded fears) I learnt the truth about 'supplements'. So now, thanks to your research I supplement with B12 and D3. Each day I take my concoctions of sour cherry 🍒 beets green tea vinegar w the mother.brazil nuts sunshine mushrooms etc etc and so forth. 💫✨️ I thank you for your diligence and for the truth. Xx

[@weirdunclebob]

Damn. Another solution scuppered! Working in a remote area gives me few options when it comes to diet. The mess doesn't really cater for most diets other than standard western diet and vegetarian so I drink fortified soy milk for calcium and take a multivitamin to try to top up other nutrients that may be a bit low. Guess I'll just have to die and resurrect myself as a lion or something.

[@kimberlysadberry6757]

it's really hard to find a decent supplement company. I usually stick with natures way. they're supposed to be a company that's been tested pretty good so therefore reliable

[@dr.dmitry.sokolov]

Thank you, Dr Greger!

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[@Vin-qz9yy]

• An excellent source of calcium is tahini made from unhulled black sesame seeds. I like Kevala brand because it’s organic with 2 tablespoons providing 31% daily requirement of calcium. It’s also a wonderfully smooth nutty flavor, not acrid at all and stirs up very easily unlike some extremely thick-textured tahinis. • It would be most helpful if Michael would 1.) share with us the reliability of the US Pharmacopeia (USP) on supplements 2.) address if there are parallels of our bodies’ negative responses to calcium supplements in pill form vs calcium supplementation of fortified foods, ie soy milk, etc. 3.) suggest what non-fortified foods and their amounts to eat in a single day to get 100% of the daily calcium requirement.

[@pamelamorales7081]

how do you feel about shaklee products?

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[@MarkKislich]

What if you're cramping because of calcium deficiency. Surely it's OK to supplement slightly in this case?

[@samiryan214]

Easy fix, eat sesame and figs.

[@xTruncz]

​@@samiryan214 and chia

[@samiryan214]

@@xTruncz Indeed. The top seeds sources: Sesame seeds, Chia seeds and Flaxseed. if someone is deficient in calcium, he/she must consume at least 50g of Sesame seeds / day or 60g Chia seeds / day or 100g Flaxseed / day.

[@holidayfootprints4151]

You are an inspiration

[@AH-cy4md]

I would like to see the supplement industry regulated so that at least we are getting the product that we think we are getting and that we are paying for it. Any claims that they make about their product of course come with an *, and they don’t need to be held to proving them, but we can at least make sure that the products are what they say they are and are not adulterated or contaminated.

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[@patriciamccorkle2274]

Hi, does anyone who have drank, used and know about what brands of coconut milk is safe, healthy and good to drink without the calcium phosphate and calcium carbonate added? Thank you.

[@markw999]

Thai Kitchen. Water and Coconut for listed ingredients. I get it off Amazon.

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[@travissilb]

Pretty much every plant milk except one or two has calcium phosphate or calcium carbonate. So what would you want us to do about that? Not drink milk anymore? Any ideas? Thank you 💥💥💥💥

[@angelbaezdiaz5893]

You can always try to make your own plant milk. It´s really easy and way cheaper than store bought plant milk

[@lauried4439]

There are options out there that aren’t fortified. I use Edensoy unsweetened soymilk - just soybeans and water. Elmhurst makes several options such as milked walnuts ( just walnuts and water), milked almonds (just almonds and water), etc. The Elmhurst can be a bit pricey, but I can usually find the Edensoy on sale. Also, I sometimes make my own almond milk or oat milk. It’s pretty easy.

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[@langreeves6419]

Well, drinking a milk is not a necessity.

[@holidayfootprints4151]

Eye opener

[@smilebot484]

what about k2 with calcium?

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[@imaginterest]

For the less than half that actually contain what they say they have, are there any leading brands to look for?

[@sungheelee9358]

Look for GMP or cGMP certified supplements-brand like Nature’s bounty

[@pmw3839]

@@sungheelee9358 Is Solgar certified?

[@sungheelee9358]

@@pmw3839 Yes

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[@davidhaylett1810]

Yes if not NSF or consumer lab tested do not buy as you have no idea what’s in it

[@bloodpurple6953]

I try very hard to take DGL for my occasional heartburn (have a Hiatal Hernia, GERD and often severe acid reflux) and most of the time it is adequate for relieving my heartburn, but sometimes the only thing that relieves it are Tums. I may have the hypercoagulation part taken care of because I'm also on Warfarin for DVTs (history of) but wondering if Tums should be avoided altogether? I'm currently waiting for a supply of Mastic gum to try for my very chronic GERD symptoms and if that doesn't work, will be considering surgery. I consume a 90 per cent Vegan diet which is primarily plant based and mostly avoid the inflammatory stuff, but my reflux just doesn't want to go away. I'm just hoping I'm not also risking cardiovascular disease with the occasional consumption of Tums. Thank you in advance!

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[@chiyerano]

All I take is a vegan vitamin D3 pill a few times a year and eat foods containing calcium.

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[@holidayfootprints4151]

Can you do pod cast on milk thistle supplement...I like a vegan organ glass of wine ! 😀

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[@lilo4235]

Are contraceptive pills safe with progesterone as I can't afford children. I've never taken pills for preventing pregnancy before my "Cerelle tablets (168) through Boots" arriving tomorrow.

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[@om-nj2hw]

This is great, I was spending to much 💰 on all of them...now I can just get rid of them all. Though I do like natural calm, and vitamin d

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[@AndrewPawley11]

Its more than time this industry was regulated.

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[@amitabhamettalove1479]

Unfortunately, you've tarnish you trust in using the notion of trusting the science by you recommending untested and as we are now seeing through the Thailand and other studies, dangerous corony shots.