NVG Laser Devices

[@squirreltakular9049]

Holosun updated their lasers and they work with the Insight-style tape switches now. I have mine rigged up with my white light using a Surefire dual end tape switch and it works great. The biggest downside for me is that the laser sits extremely high. You need a 1.93" mount to get a good sight picture with an LPVO.

[@Mrgunsngear]

Great info here. I really think the Streamlight is a great performer for the money.

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@Yeasty George this comment is literally the big gay. Time to leave this videos comment section thanks.

[@stephenballard2560]

STFU stay on your own channel troll

[@usernameunknown658]

The problem is the battery on the streamlight you have to remove the device to change the battery and thus have to re zero all the time ... and these batteries are not lasting not 1-3 years you changing them regularly.

[@stephenballard2560]

@@usernameunknown658 I think this is more for a rifle. Wouldn't you be able to change it if it's on a rifle?

[@christopherdenton7290]

The holosun uses a standard crane plug. So you can use the surefire dual switches or the mod light ones. I have the mod light ones and they are excellent

[@KineticConsulting]

Now they do man. This an old video.

[@koolkid3184]

I bought the Holosun LSG321 and it the surefire pressure pads fit it. I have surefire scout and run the surefire dual pressure pad, no issues. The mount I do not like, and after using the quick disconnect lever to secure it, I then tighten screw making the quick disconnect useless, but it will never come off under fire.

[@ep6727]

I've gotta ask, what color is the danger sticker on your unit? The newer ones I've seen have yellow stickers while the older have white stickers.

[@aaronthomas382]

The best video on lasers I’ve seen man. Thank you, way easier to digest than a bunch of spec sheets. Also I’m starting to look at a nods setup, and so this was super helpful.

[@CriticalDynamicsSTG]

The new holosun’s run with standard crane hooks now. Send your unit in and they’ll replace it & the QD mount has been improved!

[@oscarescano1831]

“Most people don’t care about accuracy in the dark- but it fucking matters.” Best quote ever! RLTW

[@mig1nc]

Did you say the Perst lasers don't get warranty work? Because multiple people have reported good warranty service from Zenitco. It's pretty much the only full power laser us civilians can get full warranty support on.

[@KineticConsulting]

Good to hear, I have also heard that people have been ignored.

[@johndavis1312]

Good review. If you flip the mount around on the holosun it won't undo by itself. Also I don't know if they changed something but mine accepts surefire pads.

[@ronfurro4161]

Pretty sure it accepts Streamlight pads.

[@johndavis1312]

@@ronfurro4161 the technical term is a crane plug but I don't think streamlight offers that. Surefire and L3 are the main ones

[@Specter044]

The Holosun website shows the QD latch on the opposite side than you have it. If you reverse it, that might solve the problem of it coming loose under recoil.

[@KineticConsulting]

Worth a try

[@Darth_Smittious]

If your a “poor” the best mid line is the A3 in my opinion. 75 yds and in yay. Best overall MAWL that price though ouch.

[@KineticConsulting]

Pretty much what the video says

[@comeandtakeit5183]

Or you could get a full power perst for less money. Tough choice. Lol.

[@gen-zboomer]

dale parks shhh don’t tell em about Zenit

[@teflondefcon1674]

Perst 3

[@squirreltakular9049]

@Libertarian 4 Life How is the IR illuminator on the 420? If it isn't any more powerful than the ones on their lower tier lasers or on the A3, then it isn't worth the $.

[@turnitdowntyler]

I got my Holosun 321G for $660 shipped.. At that price, it cannot be beat. But, I'm going straight to the MAWL after this.

[@Kareem2369]

Same, just ordered mine a few days ago

[@DaVe-dv3qs]

one of the downsides of a higher powered laser is visibility to your target. The peq-15's and 16's we use in the military are kinda cool in that you have a solid beam of light (like a lightsaber) to your target, but that also means that you have that same lightsaber tracing all the way back to you, so now your enemy knows exactly where to shoot.

[@KineticConsulting]

If they can see it.

[@DaVe-dv3qs]

Kinetic Consulting true. But they don’t always need high end night vision to find you. They could just use some old camcorder with night vision function just good enough to see what building your laser traces back to.

[@KineticConsulting]

@@DaVe-dv3qs yup, absolutely

[@kevin11288]

Need to do an update and outline the cons on the mawl. Battery life, propeller cap issues exc.

[@CB-ux5xc]

We have none of that now. No update needed aside from new programming.

[@d1gital.alch3my]

I'm lovin my C1+ as well! It slays! Also a good option is the surefire x400v.. really good illuminator and laser. Good spot and spill.. only rub is the white light/ ir switching is the bezel. Still a great option for sub $1000. Built tough too

[@MAXhomesteader]

Can you make a dedicated illuminator video next? Like the surefire vampire series lights for instance.

[@mikef5694]

MAX jwramp does a good video showing some of the popular options. Look up his channel.

[@MAXhomesteader]

@@mikef5694 there is only one dedicated ir illuminator in that video. Read my above question. I'm talking about one's like UNV 20ir or surefire vamps

[@reubadoob]

Great video. Thanks for putting it together. Looking forward to more.

[@gfdemt917]

Wish there was a civ power laser with a decent illuminator that doesn’t cost as much as a pvs14

[@beck4218]

lol D2

[@KevinJohn556]

Unless something has changed because I own a holosun 321 you can use a Steiner pad on the laser.

[@KineticConsulting]

You probably have a newer version than mine

[@rektumexam3961]

@@KineticConsulting Mine is a couple of years old and a surefire dual tape switch 'L3' style plug will fit. However, it is VERY tight and if you try to rotate it you can possibly unscrew the plug socket and that will likely break the wires for it inside. I had this happen. Of the options out right now, I'm very happy with the Perst3. Their tape switches are nice and the power dial is useful. But I do wish it used a standard plug.

[@Miami_Bad_Boy_BOSS]

@@rektumexam3961 Would it be feasible to cut the plug off and graft the Surefire to the lead?

[@johnhalchishick7094]

A quick shot of each one in use would be nice

[@BobBob-il2ku]

Great video But I would still look at the d2 and perst 2 and 3

[@EndTheNFApls]

I bookmarked the tab to your class in MN next year

[@idayote5106]

I have a perst 4 green+ it’s awesome but yes it’s true I haven’t seen anything about a warranty so if it breaks I’m probably screwed. I haven’t contacted Ivan tactical about it so I’m not sure what his stance is on that. Understand that when buying you have to wait like 30+ days for shipping because of customs. Otherwise awesome laser so far seems super solid I’ve banged it around no zero drift that I can tell. I love the controls besides the pressure pad supplied and the laser is a freaking light Sabre (vis and Ir) it’ll reach out and touch 1500m no problem not that you need to go that far but I like having more than .7mW it’s nice when shooting at further distances to see the beam and not struggle to find the laser if you miss the target like with an underpowered unit. Regardless $470 not too bad

[@KineticConsulting]

Cool. Some downsides but if you're willing to live with them, rock on.

[@teflondefcon1674]

Are you running a surefire Vampire for illunminator? I just ordered perst 4 green plus. Gonna get modlight IR with it. Have Atipal C and gen 3 14s from L3 onmi 8s. So besides perst 3 I think is a good full power option.

[@markykev]

Hi John, I know you're a huge proponent of the MAWL (but realistically, I don't think I can justify 3k for my needs and purposes of more occasional recreational shooting). What are your thoughts on the DBALA3? The ATPIAL-C just got a huge price hike and is rarely in stock (besides TNVC) - the DBAL is cheaper and seems to be a direct competitor to the ATPIAL (after the MAWL). Info is tough to find (I've looked a lot on the AR-15 forums and this video). Thanks, appreciate it.

[@KineticConsulting]

The dbal A3 is a good choice and so is the holosun Ls321G

[@markykev]

@@KineticConsulting thanks John. I picked up the red version of the holosun for 675. figured it would be cheap to get my feet wet and practice while I save up for a mawl in the long run. (plus you and Haley said they weren't bad considering the price)

[@jhalscott]

Love my DBAL D2, but 100% agree on the mushy switch. It's like they've never heard of detents at Steiner.

[@MrDustinclement]

Such a great video. I’ve found myself watching it 2-3 times now over the last year or so lol

[@ronfurro4161]

Holosun Mount Fix: Flip the mount, like the DBAL! Recoil inertia mitigated.

[@limajuliett3406]

Will lights still fit at the 2oclock position with the flipped mount?

[@GuamGuy]

Any experience and opinions about the L3 Ngal or Wilcox Raptor?

[@KineticConsulting]

I have used both. They aren't bad but both have a hefty price tag.

[@knightryderbelow]

Which one has highest out put green laser? I want a green laser that you can see the beam really well.

[@KineticConsulting]

Mawl DA

[@knightryderbelow]

Kinetic Consulting Thanks brotha!

[@nipsy_lafett]

I had no issues using a standard plug with my ls321

[@KineticConsulting]

This is an older video man. The one I had was an early model. They corrected it.

[@philrab]

I was literally coming to the comments to drop this. 👍

[@NavySooner]

Probably been set in the 200 comments but The holosun does take pressure pads for the other lasers

[@KineticConsulting]

Yes, they take the standard plug

[@markykev]

Jon, random question getting into NVG game - I know it's a big investment, but if you were to recommend on an order to get things? ie laser, helmet, mount, binos, etc greatly appreciate it. Could potentially get stuff over time, but maybe not at once (good idea or nah)

[@KineticConsulting]

Piecing it together isn't a bad choice. I'd start with laser since you can start practicing with it. Then helmet stuff you can piece together as you go and then the big plunge NVGs.

[@markykev]

@@KineticConsulting I was thinking that same plan actually. laser then helmet set-up. maybe take a TNVC class and rent the NODS to see what i want, etc.

[@markykev]

@@KineticConsulting also thank you for your reply.

[@KineticConsulting]

@@markykev both Greenline Tactical and myself have some rentals for classes we teach. 👍🏼

[@WesMerc]

What’s the actual model name for the holosun?

[@KineticConsulting]

LS221

[@WesMerc]

Kinetic Consulting thanks

[@igamewhenimbored7696]

I'd be looking at: VIR II - for pistols CTF-3 with a kiji and malkoff/modlite heads - whenever it's released will crush LE420 - midrange/budget price MAWL-C1+ - best ergonomics but most expensive. Should be your standard for your serious builds Don't buy Steiner, but if you do get a D2 for illumination performance close to the MAWL

[@knndyskful]

Does anyone know what’s the deal with the difference in the “civilian version” why the difference? Is it patent stuff? Or is it opsec? Or why don’t civilians get “full power” lasers and/or illuminators” ?

[@KineticConsulting]

It's the FDAs ruling on laser classification for "eye safe".

[@ryanpeck3377]

Full powered lasers can quickly cause permanent eye damage. Rioters in Portland are using high powered lasers to blind police, people have also tried blinding airline pilots with them. That and idiots would blind themselves looking into them. Therefore because of stupid people and assholes the FDA has banned high powered lasers for civilians

[@RandyMan696]

@@ryanpeck3377 Yeah and once again here we go law abiding citizens can’t have full power lasers but lawbreaking rioters can! They can easily buy 3 Full Watts not milliwatts of incredibly powerful eye burning lasers for $100 on line!!! Once again the idiots that make regulation make a Law Abiding versions nearly USELESS that’s less than 5 mW! Seriously! Military uses 45 mW minimum and 250mW on full power peqs. And yes 250 mW is a huge exponential difference!!!

[@easternpromises7991]

Are you sure the Holosun is not compatible with standard switches? They're all supposed to be CRANE compatible. Plenty of lights/lasers come with their own shitty switches but you can always buy aftermarket, right?

[@KineticConsulting]

When this video was made it had a proprietary switch. Now they all do come compatible with crane

[@easternpromises7991]

@@KineticConsulting Good to know. Thank you.

[@scottsaylors1996]

Zenitco warranty’s their lasers and if you have problems with it you can ship it back to Moscow and they’ll fix it. I’d take my perst 3 over the dbal or the atipal-c

[@yzhou05]

This strategy unfortunately didn’t age well.

[@largelarry2126]

I have a D2 and it's illumination is good beyond 300M plus it's adj.

[@derekw8475]

Hey Jon, When you mentioned a vis override with the mawl, does that process to go from IR to vis still require the rotation of the front cap before activating with a unity sync/taps? I couldn't find anything on tap-rack but I'm prob missing something.

[@KineticConsulting]

No, it's a link to make your switch activate a white light and green laser at the same time if the mawl is dialed to vis

[@LarpingSupply]

Few things about the PERST. 1: Zenetico does Warranty their products 2: The Perst 3 is a full power laser at a lower cost then the horribly underpowered civilian lasers. Awesome price to performance. Absolutely no reason to get a significantly more expensive significantly weaker laser. The new Zenetico Perst 3 is absolutely worth every bit of the the $1250-1300 you get them for.

[@andreasr6632]

Nick do you have any experience with the new 4 compact version? ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-4p-pistol-dual-visible-ir-tactical-laser-designator/

[@seank3753]

Andreas R the 4 is just the laser, no Illuminator. The 3 has both.

[@firemedicholland]

He mentions the visible override for the MAWL and that Bill Blowers from Tap-Rack did something on it. Does anyone have a link to what he is talking about? I'd like to do that with mine.

[@DAP-1776]

I started with a dbal, then an atpialC, Wilcox raptar, then a fp peq15, then a Mawl. Just skip all them and get the Mawl. It’s expensive but it’ll save you money in the long run. Most the civi models suck except the C1+. It’s better than a fp peq15 imo.

[@HaloDude557]

Mawl is still outclassed and way too expensive

[@Dixie9mm]

Dbal a2? They pop up from time to time but the average person is screwed if it breaks unless you know someone. Just curious your opinion on it.

[@KineticConsulting]

They are awesome but like you said if the break you're SOL

[@VIPK9]

Perst has warranty for American customers

[@Mrbrb91]

@Libertarian 4 Life You can buy two Perst 3s and have money left over compared to a MAWL. The Perst 3 is superior to a MAWL and the MAWL's warranty is only for a year anyways.

[@nikanor8152]

@@Mrbrb91 yeah, but the persts don't have a great track record of holding zero and being waterproof. Even some russian units are running Peqs haha

[@teflondefcon1674]

Perst 4 and modlight IR

[@alphabears6342]

The Perst 4 gen 3 green laser is water proof and has a great record. It's the official ones used by the Russian government.

[@no-sway3709]

Perst 4 + sf scout. Preferred over dbal a3 + scout. Perst 3 inbound for extra illum

[@guntalk90]

Where can you find full power peqs?

[@KineticConsulting]

Tacswap.com or night vision Facebook groups. Just be careful who you buy from.

[@thesavage6484]

Kinetic Consulting Id love a full power cuz I LARP haha, but what’s your opinion on civis having a full power? Isn’t there like a strange grey area with the legality of the subject?

[@rustinosborn4906]

I have 3 nv outings. 2 of the 3 were with a mawl. By far the best laser + illum Nice video!

[@The_John_Galt]

Curious about ZenitCo Perst 2/3+ MAWL is currently at the top of my list of buy next items.

[@KineticConsulting]

Mawl is my jam

[@The_John_Galt]

@@KineticConsulting definitely looking forward to it! Keep up the great content. If you want to play with some stuff that various agencies use. Check out Thermal Defense Solutions. Amazing silencers. And other stuff. Also they can print any threading you want.

[@someguynamed_josh6178]

Just got an A3. would you recommend changing the mount? if so what one do you recommend?

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

someguynamed_josh ADM

[@KineticConsulting]

As rifle shooter channel said, the adm one is good

[@someguynamed_josh6178]

Thats the one I was looking at. Thanks guys

[@geraldbondoc5974]

Thanks Jon! Always enjoy your NV vids. 👍👍👍

[@petercristiano4068]

I’m running a mk18 rail. I want to mount a modlite at the 3 o’clock. Which mount do u recommend where it won’t interfere with the MAWL? The only thing I could think of was the the Arisaka Picatinny mount upside down. Any suggestions? Thanks man!

[@KineticConsulting]

Arisaka is a good choice. You can also find a surefire DF body that has the thumb screw for pic. Mostly your problem is the pic rail

[@petercristiano4068]

Oh yea I can just buy the head and throw it on the surefire df body with the mount it comes with. Lifesaver bro lol. Thanks for the reply. Keep the great reviews coming!

[@KineticConsulting]

@@petercristiano4068 glad I could help.

[@pjnealon3476]

Thanks for the video. It is helpful in my search for the best NV for me.

[@pistolpanda4582]

Are you still with Sage Dynamics?

[@KineticConsulting]

Yes I am.

[@DAP-1776]

I have a few civi Atpials, and they suck. But so does the civi Steiner dbal. Good enough for indoor use. Which means there’s better.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

PERST-4

[@rileypeak3196]

​@@rifleshooterchannel208 you mean PERST-3

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

Riley Peak Either is fine if you don’t have an problem buying an import.

[@ecc444]

Thoughts on the DBAL-A4? I would really like to pick up a MAWL but a) I can't find one b) I scored a DBAL-A4 for $1400 NIB ... soooooo it's kinda working for me! But... I do like the MAWL!

[@Bean._.768]

Put a ranger band over that little release on that holosun

[@KineticConsulting]

Or you can tighten it

[@2aprecisionninja897]

Any recommendations as to where I can purchase a used gov model peq?

[@nikanor8152]

Tacswap, facebook marketplace and similar places. But be aware alot of them were tactically acquired at some point.

[@CB-ux5xc]

If you’re military? DRMO.

[@chadcoxthehunterchadcox8252]

Ca you use a different pressure switch with the holosun?

[@KineticConsulting]

You can't now. Look how long ago this was made

[@sparda1123]

Great video as always. Mawl gang here too. My only criticism on the mawl is the zero adjustments are vague AF for me at least. I had a hard time feeling the clicks. Everything else about it, well worth the cost.

[@adamalt3269]

Does it mater about mounting 12 o’clock vs 3 or 9?

[@KineticConsulting]

Yes, it matters

[@fmxmyway]

I am to understand that everyone that gets a pvs 14 pretty much dumps it a year or two down the road in lieu of a set of dual NODs after they realize they cannot live without NV. So its pretty much a waste of money to get the 14. Is this an accurate assessment in your experience?

[@KineticConsulting]

Not at all a waste. I think a 14 is super useful. I did a video on it.

[@cesarmagdaleno1128]

Just curious, where would one find a full power peq?

[@PolynesianSaus]

Black market. =\

[@KineticConsulting]

I see them on tacswap.com and some private sellers

[@cesarmagdaleno1128]

@@KineticConsulting You da man.

[@alphabears6342]

How can you talk about Perst product if you do not own it and have not used it?

[@jacklewis3444]

This is the best breakdown video of the different IR devices I’ve seen. Appreciate the info. 👍🏻

[@davedave2941]

Idea for future vid Rgr - demonstrate parallel zero pros/cons and converging zero ... more so if you zero a device at 9, 12, 3 o clock positions 🤙🏼

[@BR-x64]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6DQpZeonNd4fK8 already has

[@Austin-xu1ws]

Converging Zero has basically no pros......

[@yzhou05]

@@Austin-xu1ws That’s sorta what I thought until I took a class. If done properly (which is much much easier with converging zero), converging zero is easier to use out to 200 yards.

[@comeandtakeit5183]

Why the Perst hate? Not going to "waste your money" on one? Lol. Ok but it belongs up there with the MAWL in your line up. You're also wrong about getting it worked on. Zenitco actually has pretty good customer service.

[@Mrbrb91]

@Libertarian 4 Life The build quality is fine, it's legitimate Russian military equipment. Lasers are very well understood and these products are certainly high margin.

[@teflondefcon1674]

I have atipal c... ordered perst 4 green plus, gonna run with modlight IR

[@CB-ux5xc]

The Perst absolutely does not belong with the Raid X, NGAL or MAWL DA. Get out of here with that garbage.

[@comeandtakeit5183]

@@CB-ux5xc Lol ok. Do you have any actual reasons or is that just an emotional argument?

[@djgunner258]

Got a quick question for you. Is the ir laser cover for the Dbal a3 a neutral Density filter? Mean does it just reduce the power of the IR laser or does it block it completely?

[@KineticConsulting]

They block completely. Not like the ones on the PEQ.

[@Chowley623]

I thought my DBAL i2's illuminator was broken when I saw that splotchy "petri dish" throw. Disappointing to know that's pretty typical.

[@colerogers6816]

The whole “mawl is great because you can send it back” It only has a 1 year warranty does it not, after that .. yeah you can send it back , but how much we talkin to fix it?? Assuming and from what I’ve heard not fucking cheap, at all. So just makes the warranty on mawls and the argument against zenitco kinda void , imo. Not to mention you can send Perst to Ivan tactical to get them fixed /serviced. Havnt done that personally but I hear that often.

[@jccarp2]

Thank you so much for your video. I appreciate you taking the time to explain them all to us. My current builds have cloud defensive reins with a pressure pad on them. So I don’t really need a white light included. Are there any advancements Holosun mount? I like that everything is slaved (hope I used that right). The ls321 really fits my budget and gets my foot in the door. Also are there any advancements on their pressure pad port?

[@KineticConsulting]

The mount and pad have been updated since. Solid laser for the price.

[@blackbushido]

Hello. I was just wondering, which would be better for CQC/CQB/HD between Dbal A3 and PEQ15 and I’m a civilian?? Thank you an thank you for your timely response

[@KineticConsulting]

They both work. If you get a full power laser either one will work. If your get civilian lasers then the dbal is better.

[@blackbushido]

@@KineticConsulting cool!!!!! Thank you soooo very very much!!

[@colbypearson9048]

Any recommendations on an ir flood device such as the new surefire pistol peq? Would be used on a rifle with the modlite ir850.

[@KineticConsulting]

Do you mean an IR pointer (handgun versions) and a modlite 850nm head? If so, then I wouldn't suggest it. But if you are it's hard to activate the 2 without a programmable switch like the older Unity taps.

[@colbypearson9048]

@@KineticConsulting no just a less intense ir light with more flood for cqb. I've heard and seen a few examples of the modlite ir 850 being too much 50 yards and in.

[@KineticConsulting]

@@colbypearson9048 oh gotcha. I agree for indoors a flood style like the mawl in cqb mode is awesome but sometimes you have to defeat photonic barriers that the flood wouldn't work in. Another reason I like the mawl.

[@boromir4pres]

Question, about the L3’s and BE Meyers and other milspec IR devices that have visible and IR lasers; if you zero the visible laser will the IR laser be zeroed as well? Coming out of same channel no?

[@KineticConsulting]

Depends on the laser, mawls and peqs both have slaved ir and vis lasers. If you move one the other is also adjusted. The PEQ have a separate adjustment for the ir illuminator

[@Tommy-Technical]

Small error on your part: the Holosun laser unit DOES accept crane type pressure pads, such As the Surefire dual switch. Designed for it, and works perfectly.

[@KineticConsulting]

I've tried it in this one and it's a no-go. Maybe in a newer version it does.

[@mig1nc]

@@KineticConsulting Yep, you are right. Yours is the older version.

[@jimihenedrixson7568]

Since the commercial PEQ15s blow so hard, how does one get the military one then? Special liscense or something? I'm in the military and they only sell to departments and such to my knowledge.

[@KineticConsulting]

You can buy them second hand through NV101 group on Facebook

[@jimihenedrixson7568]

@@KineticConsulting thank you

[@blackbushido]

EXCELLENT AND EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE VIDEO AS USUAL!!!!!! THANK YOU!!

[@boomlightsout]

What mounting option do you suggest to replace the stock holosun mount with?

[@KineticConsulting]

Not sure if there is one anymore. You can latch it down and then tighten it on the torx side of the mount

[@gray_wolverine63]

what is the fixes for the DBAL with the surefire swatch ? what needs to be done to it ? Thanks for the review

[@KineticConsulting]

Sometimes so that it doesn't slip out you have to trim the little tip to the crane switch. Be careful because you may destroy it doing so

[@cgtlea9202]

I run an ACOG/rmr combo, so you think the holosun or Steiner would be mounted too high and in the sight picture of an acog? Thanks!

[@KineticConsulting]

Nope. It will be out of the field of view most likely

[@cgtlea9202]

@@KineticConsulting thanks!

[@diyoregonnowtexas9202]

You said Holosun lasers, but did not say which model you had there. Which model do you recommend?

[@KineticConsulting]

Ls321G

[@michaelbattin6717]

ir your trying to teach us it would be nice if you said the model number "debal" has several models, it's confusing for us new guys

[@KineticConsulting]

Pretty sure I mentioned it's a dbal A3.

[@lovelauracp]

i was thinking the same. I just received a D3 that I purchased from Optics Planet ,,however comparing the Dbal 3 in the vid to mine,it looks different.

[@demsexploitingdeadkidsforp3635]

@@lovelauracp Of course it's going to look different, he SPECIFICALLY said his was a "dbal A3" in the video and you said yours was a "dbal D3" (which afaik doesn't even exist, maybe you mean D2?).

[@AirSupp0rtMusic]

Great class! Thanks

[@scottsaylors1996]

Zenitco Perst ftw

[@user-uq1kk4mh2n]

Which perst

[@willrodriguez9008]

Which model Holosun is that?

[@5firebird]

I'm thinking it's the ls321g.

[@ChrisD1224]

Anyone have the MAWL and notice the LED indicator blinks faintly in the OFF position? Battery drain??? Visible using NVG

[@remoteholepunch6739]

I haven't looked to see if the LED flashes when off, but I'm definitely seeing some drain. Mine eats a rechargeable 123A in about 2 weeks, and a fresh Surefire battery in about 3.

[@ChrisD1224]

@@remoteholepunch6739 I spoke with BE Meyers and was told the blinking LED indicator was a normal function of the unit and wouldn't cause battery drain. A way of running a diagnostic of some kind. 🤷🏻‍♂️. They also asked that I send in my device to be looked at. They sent me a brand new replacement in return. Battery drain or not, they have great customer service.

[@ribbitcroak]

@@ChrisD1224 how's it been? Does yours drain the battery when stored in the off position?

[@ChrisD1224]

@@ribbitcroak Recently I was out of work for about 8 weeks. Didn't touch my rifle or MAWL that whole time (MAWL had a fresh battery). Picked it up on my return to duty, battery was completely drained.

[@ribbitcroak]

@@ChrisD1224 well fuck...that is not ok with me at all damn. Doubt it but I wonder if this was addressed with the new mawl revision

[@11pack09]

What comes first the goggles or the laser?

[@KineticConsulting]

Laser. You can already learn how to aim and practice

[@Martin-rq4ru]

I say goggles, Buy the most expensive first

[@silvercil]

What zero do you use for laser on your rifle?

[@nikanor8152]

Parallel zero is the way to go.

[@HaloDude557]

Nikanor no

[@nycdrummer23]

“That’s a keeper, safe that one for later”. 😂 Classic Gold Member reference. 👍

[@ChrisJones-fm6wp]

I really would've liked an illuminator comparison. I'm imagining the a3 and holosun illuminator being weak like the atpial-c and i2 but I could be wrong. Also story time about full powered lasers would make for an entertaining video.

[@aerialexperts3958]

Anyone else out there got a holoson elite LE321g and care to share their 2 cents?

[@squirreltakular9049]

Following. Looking for the same answer.

[@mcondon23]

Awesome video!

[@BobBob-il2ku]

Anyone know we’re I can find the AA battery version of the mawl?

[@nikanor8152]

I don't think there's a specific version, but rather an end cap. bemeyers.com/shop/aa-endcap

[@Thunderbolt22A10]

Surprised no mention of the DBAL D2, seems to be a solid performer. Is there a reason you didn’t mention it (bad personal experience) or just didn’t have one on hand? Edit: you mention it later my b.

[@collinis1]

Could you expand upon why you find the i2’s annoying? The ir only model seems like the perfect fit for what I’m looking for (no vis laser)

[@ChrisJones-fm6wp]

I'm not him but the 9007(IR only) not having a vis laser makes zeroing a bitch. The illuminator is pretty useless in an urban area and even rural it won't be much use past 75ish yds. On the vis laser model the lasers aren't slaved so you're back to the zeroing headache of the 9007 but now you have no illuminator at all.

[@KineticConsulting]

Most of what Chris Jones mentioned are my annoyances but like I said in the video if that what fits the bill for you then rock on. I also dislike lasers that only offer IR because I can't get day time reps, use them for deconfliction purposes, or use them to control or direct people. Also the lack of a sighting systems that a similar size model can offer like the A3.

[@spade2you]

Sooooo much easier to sight in a visible laser AND deal with one zero. Much easier to confirm the zero to my red dot. Requires less ammo, which is now an issue due to the damn virus. The visible is a decent backup for a red dot. I'd agree the IR illuminator isn't useful at all up close

[@russellnewmexico1]

I've had an i2 (IR/IR) for 4 years and haven't had a problem other than those mentioned in the video (slight PITA to zero without visible laser). Other than that, it's been great. Other people I know who've owned an i2 have claimed serious issues (electronics failure, failure to keep zero), but I've been lucky so far. I have a red dot on my night gun, so I get into good position, and "zero" my IR pointer to my previously zeroed red dot at distance (looking through Red dot with NVG). Then, when I eventually get to a range that I can actually shoot at night, confirm zero. After having removed the pointer, swapped positions on same gun, or swapped it between guns, roughly 6X in those 4 years, I haven't had to make more than a few clicks of adjustment from my "red dot zero", if at all. But if I had to do it all over again, I'd just buy an A3.

[@jk240sx]

Where can I buy a fp peq?

[@asomeguy3000]

Tacswap

[@juansimon5802]

i liked most of those until i got the ngal. now they all suck. lol

[@camron1501]

Thank you.

[@ajc281509]

What is a good illuminator to supplement the DBAL A3?

[@KineticConsulting]

Depends on what you're doing. Some illuminators like the modlite will over power it. The surefire vampire series may fill the role.

[@ajc281509]

@@KineticConsulting Thanks!

[@shark5575]

Second the vampire!

[@wherenowhow6037]

Ok, if you want real performance, get a Luna ELIR-3, then get a Luna/Surefire Adapter, then take a Unity Taps Sync and slave the Luna ELIR to the Dbal A3. This setup will now smoke the shit out of a MAWL. I Plus you can then take a second Unity Taps Sync and also slave the Green Vis Point Override to you White Light.

[@no-sway3709]

I use sf with vamp. Plenty of light.

[@cristopherandino3000]

I was told that I'm to fat for night vision. :( "sad autistic noises" "opens a bag of chips"

[@PolynesianSaus]

Cristopher Andino what could that possibly mean? Can you not fit out your front door?!

[@cristopherandino3000]

They said my head is to fat for the bump helmet to fit or the strap to go around my head

[@PolynesianSaus]

Cristopher Andino damn man, you gotta lose some weight.

[@charlieghague]

Other than the DBAL D2 and the MAWL, it seems like civilian units have some really awful illuminators. Unfortunately, the D2 is a seriously chunky girl and the MAWL is crazy expensive. Kinda sucks.

[@charlieghague]

@Redacted What are you talking about? Just about every civilian unit on the market costs less than 3k and most are gonna be better than the Holosun. My comment was talking about illuminators too, not lasers.

[@ajc281509]

Any experience with the DBAL A4?

[@mwaairsoft6004]

it is nice however I prefer the atpial c