Nvidia FOOLED Everyone! RTX 50 Series Isn’t What You Think! 5070=4090, DLSS4, PRICING

[@DannyzReviews]

A few things I wanted to add not mentioned in the video - A bit disappointed with the model selection from AIBs, nobody except Nvidia innovated. They all just slapped on gigantic 4-slot coolers and called it a day. -If you have an RTX 40 series/RX 7000 GPU, don't bother upgrading unless you really really want DLSS4 MFG -DLSS4 game adoption will actually be pretty decent from the get-go -You can swap DLSS version within Nvidia Drivers!!!!!!!! This is actually a pretty big deal, no longer have to download .dll files and drop them manually within game folders.

[@reyalPRON]

first time watcher here. I much liked the way you deliver the information with no lame segways and shifts. u keep on the topic, and for that u eared my sub.

[@Oscar-id8rc]

I suspect that AMD Will release some MFG like tech since their FG is already matched with Nvidia. If that happens and You can use AMD MFG with the previous rtx cards with dlss4 super resolution and rayreconstruction then there Will be no reason whatsoever to Buy the 50 series

[@dimastoding9441]

​@@Oscar-id8rcthat a wishful thinking lmao amd is years behind nvidia

[@SebbS82]

The AI + RT Tops rose properly. I'm looking forward to the benchmarks.

[@Loppy2u]

No MIni ITX GPUs that Colorful, MSI, Gigabyte have made in the past.

[@overbored1337]

Saying a 5070 with filler frames equals a 4090 is like saying a 500GB SSD bundled with WinRAR equals a 2TB SSD

[@Unordinary-lg4yt]

Raster performance, idiot.

[@n.erdbeer]

​@@curio78 disconnect yourself from the thought of getting significant rasterization improvements, this isn't happening anymore due to physics unless you want cards twice as big. Remember how small older gen cards were. Those "fake frames" is the only way to improve performance by large margins and the focus or challenge is minimizing artifacts, frame times and ghosting while doing so. Judge how the results are and not how they archive the gains, since they know much better how to improve performance with technical limits.

[@n.erdbeer]

@curio78 where did you got that it's a software thing? It runs on hardware only available on the new cards. The rtx40 can do X2 frames and they get the improved quality too but X3 and X4 needs significantly more compute power.

[@n.erdbeer]

@@curio78 you want to say that you can run any ai workload on any device since it's just software? Wow. You miss that those tensor cores have performance metrics and they improve with every generation in number and per core performance. The heavy lifting is done on Nvidia server farms but the card itself has ai power requirements too to run certain tasks.

[@opticalsalt2306]

@@n.erdbeerpeople would rather them work on real ingenuity than fake ass performance. This isn’t a matter of brands or loyalty it’s enthusiasts wanting what’s best for the hobby. I would rather have GPUs twice the size and pay more if It meant real performance differences and I know I’m not alone. If the x3d cpus got the best gaming performance with frame generation people would genuinely riot so why does Nvidia get a pass? Nobody is ever happy and nobody ever wins here clearly. The worst part is the cards are fine on their own people are just upset at the deceptive marketing and false claims

[@kozad86]

Calling the 5070 a 4090 will haunt Nvidia when reviews drop.

[@haukikannel]

Well the game run at same speed as 4090 if the game has dlls4… so how it haunt. It is stupid comparison, but did not exactly lied.. just did chose the battle with OP adwantage.

[@samuelnavarro8044]

Coping is hard on this one. Just don't buy a 50 series. Don't change your mind when the Sheep do and say "I was wrong." keep the lil 40 series shit you have rn, and stay sad until 60 series comes out. Very simple.

[@maaax1173]

@@haukikannelDo you know how DLSS4 achieves its performance?

[@GamingLovesJohn]

I’m on a 30 series card and I’m staying since there isn’t really a good value purchase from a GPU perspective comparatively.

[@YamGaming]

@@samuelnavarro8044 Nvidia shill lol

[@placeholder3853]

Your $2000 GPU will play a 4 year old game at 30 FPS and you will be happy

[@davejohn255]

It's a science GPU only the crazy gamers will get one.

[@divertiti]

The age of a game has nothing to do with how demanding it is. To imply it does is entirely illogical

[@jadedengineer]

On your $10k gaming command center

[@andynow-uu1mr]

​​@@divertitiuh oh, fanboy in defense.🤡

[@MVPMTKING]

​@andynow-uu1mr He's right tho. Its not the end all be all, you can add path tracing to a 20 year old game and the performance will still be decimated.

[@MovieGasm]

Literally a software update for the most part. If they give the 4090 dlss4, it will destroy everything but the 5090. If we talking raw rasterization performance. The 4090 still destroys everything but the 5090.

[@vidiveniviciDCLXVI]

Yep and there is a good chance once they sell a lot of cards they won't just drop the DLSS 4 to 40xx cards as I truly believe it's driver level stuff. Might even see some clever folk being able to hack it into 40xx cards later down the road, not that I would use it as it destroys picture quality when turning fast.

[@germainetaylor1757]

As far as I am aware 40 series cards will get DLSS 4 but not the new 4 x multi Frame generation or any of the other Ai enhancements those are 50 series only .

[@vidiveniviciDCLXVI]

@@germainetaylor1757 40xx get everything but the 4x frame, I've read the notes.

[@NoSkillsBro.]

They give to all cards older too dlss 4 exept 4xFG so i think my 4090 can stay at least 2 years more even more!

[@vidiveniviciDCLXVI]

@@NoSkillsBro. Easy 4 years, I don't think next generation will that much faster clocks, it will be about memory, with 24gb you'll be fine.

[@bvblacksmith]

I have a feeling this is going to go down in history as one of the greatest gaslighting events in tech history.

[@mrquicky]

The 720p text to video AI models require more VRAM than a 4090 provides. Older cards with more than 24 gigabytes split the memory between multiple GPU's on the same card, so they aren't useful either. The 5090 already has a market. Whether anyone can afford the card is another matter. Trillions of dollars in the global economy now. Surely the 5090 will catch some of those dollars.

[@metallboy25]

​@@mrquicky It will. And also some people are still using 10 and 20 series cards. For the Its time to upgrade.

[@trashwizrd]

U dont get gaslit if you wait for the reviews to drop before buying it after all

[@bigturkey1]

they show it playing marvel rivals next to a 4090 and the 5070 is beating in

[@jvlivsakamaxiaid]

Unfortunately, I don't think so. They'll get away with this for the most part, and keep pushing this trend. Keep in mind AI is a multi-billion dollar business for Jensen. You can be damn sure he's gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats.

[@TB-bb7uy]

Going to buy a €2,200 gpu for my €11,000 gaming rig... what a delusional bell-end.

[@Follower_Of_The_Onions]

Sadly there are em delusional people out there.

[@peterwstacey]

I wonder if that was aimed at the people who attend the presentation in-person, who are more likely than your regular guy on the street to have this. But it's still a terrible thing to say. Most people use the xx60 / xx70 cards, and I wonder if the Intel B580 will eat some of that market. Let's see

[@derekschommer1465]

I’m not even sure how you can spend that much on a pc lol. Like literally the best gaming cpu $500 even if you went custom liquid cooling that adds maybe what $1000? $1500 if you ball out?

[@derekschommer1465]

Just did it on pcpartpicker and Idk how anyone could justify such a build but I guess getting stuff like $600 titanium psu and gen 5 4tb ssds at $800 apiece plus a 5090 you can get it close to 9k but I just can’t feasibly understand spending that on a machine that’ll be outdated in a few years

[@coffeeguy6673]

@@derekschommer1465 Hi Derek, I just put together a parts pick on Amazon here in UK to build a new gaming pc, great spec , total £1800. AMD build this time instead of intel/Nvidia. My parts included MSi B650 gaming mobo, AMD ryzensets 7700x cpu, 2 x Samsung 2 TB nvme, 64gb DDR6 ram, new Glass case, 3 fan ARGB cooler with radiator and cpu cooler, AMD RX7900 gpu, modular 850w psu , so yeah, more money than sense if you buy a rig for 10 or 11 grand. Each to their own I guess. Cheers

[@astrea555]

Gotta love how DLSS3 was "perfect" until Nvidia decided it wasn't and fixed the issues with it with DLSS4. Ain't that something? Lmao. And it's gonna be the same for DLSS4FG. There will be issue, it's not gonna be anywhere near similar to native 200+FPS but fanboys will pretend it's perfect tech until it won't be in 2 years when Nvidia has to sell you DLSS5. What a clown show. If only I saw price drops on the last gen I wouldn't be even considering the 5070ti.

[@GrimAbstract]

Who cares? I’ll get Dlss4 on my 4090 and so will the other 40 series cards.

[@IHaveALotOfBraincells]

@@GrimAbstract That's the thing, dlss4 is exclusive to 50 series cards.

[@GrimAbstract]

@@IHaveALotOfBraincells no it’s not, NVIDIA even has a graph stating it will get dlss 4. The only thing we will not get, is multi frame gen, stated by nvidia.

[@IHaveALotOfBraincells]

@@GrimAbstract Isn't multi frame gen, like the entire appeal of dlss4?

[@GrimAbstract]

@@IHaveALotOfBraincells not entirely, you’re forgetting the whole aspect of downscaling an image and then upscaling with ai to further increase performance without taking a massive hit in visuals and no input lag. That is what DLSS is for, while frame gen is a small part of the whole package.

[@biomagic8959]

this is a horrific stagnation. same node, basically the same number of cuda cores, same clocks. the raw performance will be 5-10% higher. take it back nvidia, we don't want it.

[@opticalsalt2306]

It’s also upsetting to see everyone saying “it feels smooth”, they’re completely missing the point. We don’t like the deceptive marketing and false claims beyond what you’ve already stated. They’re being fooled and they don’t even realize it

[@alexcardosa8079]

@@opticalsalt2306 Most gamers and people in general have no idea on most things not just gaming hardware and as long as it's marketed as better they will believe it.

[@eawblablatron9161]

been suspecting and saying our loud for the past 3 yrs. they do not produce new tech anymore. they have sat on old architectures and they will just turbo charge their old "ferrari" and sell it to you like a new model.

[@samuelnavarro8044]

@@biomagic8959 then don’t buy it. Turn in any RTX you have, and switch to the inferior brand of GPUs.

[@lukeludwig1055]

@alwxcardosa8079 it’s literally all people are talking about. What do you mean lol

[@clintonsmythers4478]

just remember folks. lossless scaling is only 7 bucks and can do everything the 50 series can and they are even adding a reflex 2 equivelant on january the 10th. save your money and go download it now.

[@davogue]

If you are saying that lossless scaling is the same as fg with OFA dedicated hardware than 15fps is the same as 60 😂😂

[@fransoualee6529]

​@@davogueBut DLSS requires game support so not universal. Lossless scaling works on all. Your argument on FG with dedicated hardware is actually against you and in reverse order. Sounds like you think that 15 fps FG into 60 fps = 60 fps. Only in smoothness and fluidity of frames. That is if you can ignore artifacts. The latency will still feel like 15 fps. Your experience will still feel like 15fps.

[@YamGaming]

@@davogue For the average gamer they won't even notice the differences between DLLS4 vs Lossless scaling 3, lets be honest.

[@ShawnBlunt]

​@@YamGaming the artifacting with lossless is noticeable on the ui usually

[@davogue]

@@fransoualee6529 dude the fps part was sarcasm

[@Zerion]

50 series is just an incremental update, they have to fluff it up with more jargons and software updates.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Biggest gen in ages! 1st Gddr7 era. Nothing like an increment. 1st 32gb cards ever. 1st to make such a dense PCB. Shake my MF head

[@yomatokamari]

33 percent uplift. 4090 was 60%

[@Epitome_]

​@@GregoryShtevensh 40 series was a bigger uplift than 50 if you compare cuda cores and rt cores

[@gatgat00tweed78]

So they add some ram and thats the biggest era? Yeah ok 😂​@GregoryShtevensh

[@MoizCOUK]

@@GregoryShtevensh 30% more raw power 70% more fake frames

[@bauer9101]

Smoke and mirrors with a sprinkling of deception. It’s exactly what I expected.

[@ironhulk1979]

It’s the future the ere of raw gpu power is over

[@Trampus10-4]

@@ironhulk1979 you may be right. The future looks bright like a latency full flash that stutters across the screen at 80 lows and 200 highs before the smearing of an image finally produces as you continue with your even more unoptimized game saying wow I spent my money well…

[@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it]

Waves hand vaguely..... AI

[@2TMaskeraide]

Well to be fair apples to apples it is more powerful Cuda cores VRAM ddr7 Ai tops So in general every card shows is more powerful then previous cards for less money …. So I’m not sure where all this hate is coming from. If your on 30 series or less this is a pretty good update

[@gorky_vk]

@@ironhulk1979 Who care? All latest games looks like blurry mess anyway.

[@gecko2000405]

They're still pricing them like we're in a crypto boom. There are still 3000 series for sale.

[@chucklesx]

They are really not, not saying I like the current prices but they are priced based on what they could get for the hardware if it were put into a commercial product sold to business clients. That and because they can 😅

[@dantebg100]

Crypto is nothing compared to the AI. AI is comparable to the industrial revolution in Great Britain

[@mrquicky]

If I didn't need the 32 gigabytes of VRAM, I'd definitely be looking for a 3090ti.

[@johndzwon1966]

It would seem that there are more people out there with money burning a hole in their pocket than we realise. In other words, demand is strong, and NVIDIA know it.

[@garystinten9339]

​@@johndzwon1966I bet it will keep people going for a decade.. after this.. they won't bother investing into 3 gens later.

[@DartnellGuitars]

Remember when Nvidia went after Hardware Unboxed because they focused on raster performance and wouldn't really talk about RT and DLSS?

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

lol yeah cause they made it look worse 😂

[@HyperDroids]

What do you expect from a man unashamedly prancing around with a 3.000 USD glistening alligator leather jacket? His clothes alone are worth more than that 10.000 USD gaming PC.

[@nutzloseperson8514]

Wasn‘t his jacket like 8k?

[@user-eu5ol7mx8y]

I can respect that

[@mariolp2999]

5070 + fake frames = 4090 lol

[@KahluaMike67]

4090 + Lossless Scaling App = 5090 😁

[@vlad4062]

5090 + fake frames = 9090😆If DLSS 4 is so great why they even bother to produce higher tier cards?

[@cvd1]

It's like gpu steroids lol

[@gorky_vk]

@@vlad4062 AI...only thing they care about.

[@eclisis5080]

@@KahluaMike67 That's literally what the 4090 is, its a frame generation, and multi frame on lossless sucks DLSS will be better less artifacts can you triple the frame rate, its gonna smash everything

[@logTopic]

I'll draw my own conclusions once I see some benchmarks.

[@Abcgum64]

@@ZiZo34344 For simple community feedback perhaps? What's wrong with that?

[@BrendyNew]

No this guy wants to watch other people's videos, no zero research of his own, use other people's opinions and talking points and pass it off as his own option whilst telling people not to buy a next gen GPU. Absolute clown show

[@wwk279]

Each card except 5090 has average 5% increase in cuda cores, don't expect much

[@ArtyI]

Rasterized performance is the only thing that matters

[@fatrat92]

​@@ArtyIraster native is the only performance benchmark that matters.

[@Exorcist.7L7]

"Modern" Gaming is just Not worth the money and time anymore. The corpos are focused on pushing A.I. , consoles becoming obsolete so the PC Hardware prices are Growing like crazy as a result with Fake Frames and Upscalers as a main selling point for "better performance" gains.

[@distiking]

The bigger problem are the games. Boring, badly optimised, made for broad public with political correctness and micro transactions.

[@Exorcist.7L7]

@@distiking If it wouldn't stutter You wouldn't need to Upgrade :D

[@distiking]

@artistunknown9079 sure, I'm playing rdr2 on my 4070

[@peterwstacey]

We can always play older games! Currently on SpellForce, and then Dishonored. My Steam / GOG back-catalogue is enough to keep me going for the hundred years or so...

[@Exorcist.7L7]

@@peterwstacey Same here, Silent Hill 2 Remake on 2GB iGPU... New isn't "Better" at this point, because the only thing that suffers is "Modern Gaming OPTIMISATION"

[@meowmeowmeowmeowmism]

Ask yourself: Are fake friends real friends?

[@zackw4941]

That's a good analogy, because it's going to depend largely on how pretty they are 😅

[@360Fov]

Real eyes realize real lies.

[@alconesj]

You can inflate your friend count by adding 3 fake friends for every one real friend.

[@johndzwon1966]

Playing devil's advocate: What if your fake friends behave in such a way that you can't tell the difference between your real friends and the fake ones? Future independent benchmarks will reveal all.

[@x3ko777]

@@johndzwon1966 pretty sure you can tell the dif when they dont show up at your door when you go through hard times

[@dazwood5027]

ai generated jacket lol

[@RumpleFoldSkin]

His shoes are always white too.. like in shenmu all the time...that guy is livin in fkn shenmu on dreamcast

[@MechAdv]

After a couple KZbinrs went thru the full specs including CUDA cores and memory bandwidth, it became very apparent that 90% of the performance uplift for the cards other than 5090 will come almost exclusively from IPC gains in the architecture, and improved RT cores. Which makes sense that Nvidia didn’t show any RTX Off comparisons this time which they are usually so proud of. We might be looking at as little as 20% base compute uplifts for the 5080 and 5070ti relative to their super versions. And the 5070 might even be SLOWER than the 4070S. Hopefully the architectural gains are super strong because these cards are ridiculously cut down.

[@charliegrech2026]

This 5090 will be $4500 aud, 4090 was $3200. 90 series now out of my reach

[@distiking]

On the nvidia website it says 4030 aud.

[@hardcorehardware361]

@@distiking Yea but PCCasegear, Mwave, Scotptec etc will put their cream on top mate. You're probs looking at $5000 for the Strix model but ya might be able to get a PNY a little cheaper. I don't trust the so called MSRP prices and people should have learned by now they mean absolutely nothing anymore, recap go back look at what's happened since the release of Turing.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Similar problem in Canada. Our dollar has tanked. I purchased the 3090 & 4090. I think the 5090 will be out of reach for me.

[@charliegrech2026]

​@distiking Aus doesnt get founders edition. All our aib's will be 4500-5000

[@jonny-b4954]

That's all right. You don't really need the best GPU anyways man.

[@kaystephan2610]

I am a bit confused by the AI performance. As we can see at 0:22, NVIDIA claims 4000 AI TOPS. However later on in the keynote they mention 3400 AI TOPS and on their own website where you can compare the specs of RTX 5000 series GPUs with previous hards it lists the AI performance of the RTX 5090 as "3352 AI TOPS". Soooo...what is it NVIDIA? From 3352 to 4000, that's a 19% increase. Not exactly a rounding error.

[@YAAMW]

17:57 They haven't resolved the core issue. FPS might be much higher than DLSS 2 but the latency doesn't match the FPS figure.

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

Cool, but if they wanna shove AI computing into gpus for workstations, then do that for workstations. But don’t jack up the prices on the 5090 for shit that gamers don’t need

[@Javanoiac]

5090 feels like the 4090 Ti that we never got. But with exclusive DLSS4 MFG and stupid amounts of (more than double) AI performance increase. The rest of the RTX50 lineup can be treated as refresh cards.

[@MACDRU421]

lol, ok. 👌

[@fadoobabadpl]

exactly. It will be interesting to see native 4080 super vs native 5080, I expect same performance

[@George-x2z]

hell no 5090 is o ver 60-70% faster

[@ofon2000]

Ti cards aren't 30% faster...

[@meowmeowmeowmeowmism]

@@Javanoiac The RTX 4090 AI Super?

[@mister_ed]

But it's not a nice jacket. It looks like something a rich old lady with a Karen cut would wear.

[@tokertalk9648]

Yep. That jacket tells us he's the catcher in the relationship for sure!

[@VIRT22]

On a side note, Jensen marketing the 5070 being equal to a 4090, will drop down the 4090 price in used market, at least for the remaining 22 days before the release of the 5090 and "real" benchmarks drop.

[@cptnsx]

I don't know if it will GET 4090 owners to drop the price - but it WILL get people TRYING to get 4090 owners to drop their drop.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

Yeah I think 4090s are gonna have to sell alot closer to 5080 prices now.

[@justinhogue9861]

4090 owners are not selling until they get the 5090 in hand. Benchmarks will be out with the 4090 being the 2nd best card at that point.

[@starofeden9277]

there is many upvotes for the saying..the guy said "he will trade a new 5070 anytime + 500 dollars for a 4090 anytime"..they all voted for it cause they all know 5070 is faking frames 4090 is pure hardware rastirazation i agree

[@metallboy25]

​@@justinhogue9861 Some of them are not planning to sell at all. There are some people who buy the best card on the market every 4 or 5 years. Not every year.

[@lamikal2515]

IMO, the best thing about the 5090 is it's cooler. I really want to know how a 2-slot cooler can keep a 500+W PCB in check.

[@WASD-MVME]

It comes with liquid metal

[@Us3rN4m32]

$1999 for a software upgrade… and a 10fps real performance increase? This is ridiculous

[@SpottingTails]

$2000??? You're not considering the new modern day scalpers, the AIB Partners and the Retailers. Nvidia knows that the partners and the retailers will extort the public, and you know what, the public will still go for it regardless.

[@ChuckNorris-yo3hu]

Why would nvidia even tell us how they are getting more fps knowing we will complain that its not native…they should have just introduced it and make it where dlss can not be turned off or on and we would have not known any better?

[@australienski6687]

People mad at Nvdia for making incremental progress, but AMD is literally going backwards.

[@matilija]

While I could agree, but AMD isn't telling you that their new midrange card matches their previous flagship either...

[@x3ko777]

@@australienski6687 not everone is after top tier cards. its more about pricing and value. I couldnt care less if its slower than 7900 xtx, as long as its faster than what i have now with more vram and a decent price tag i'll be happy

[@samuelnavarro8044]

@@matilija Just keep coping then. You sheep can't think for yourselves I stg. If you're pressed about Nvidia, then switch to the inferior brand; that simple, bud

[@matilija]

@@samuelnavarro8044 You might need some reading comprehension skills, where did I say I was pressed about Nvidia, you made a statement about why people shouldn't be mad at Nvidia by pointing out your issues with AMD, and I pointed out that what you stated about AMD isn't the same thing, and has nothing to do with why people are mad at Nvidia, and now you think I have the issues, lol.

[@samuelnavarro8044]

@@matilija you’re coping way too hard. Reread my comment: “if you’re pressed about Nvidia” (since you hate the fact they said the 5070 matches their previous flagship) then switch tf over to the inferior brand, or s t f u.

[@jessicasmiles00]

How long is it going to be before AI hallucinates the entire game? 🤣

[@aaz1992]

Right now in AI Minecraft lol

[@HEAD123456]

I dont think they fooled anyone with more than 1 brain cell. I expecting + 30% perf gain on 5080 vs 4080, 40-50% on 5070TI vs 4070TI(biggest upgrade beside 5090, 5070TI is only slightly cutdown 5080) and +30% on 5070 vs 4070 in raster w RT.

[@mackdaddypeypey1]

And you would be correct because those are about the correct numbers

[@AlexLexusOfficial]

This feels disappointing, and the GPUs feel like they are just toys when you realize that 214 frames out of 240 are rendered by AI and not your graphics card.

[@Bronwyn031]

As a MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090 owner which cost me 2k USD there simply is not enough of an upgrade to purchase a 5090 for another 2K+ USD.

[@aaz1992]

You gucci, fam

[@ielohim2423]

Yeah I own an MSI 4090 Trio, and I'm thinking the same thing. Only thing that is concerning is that the Trump tariffs are going to spike GPU prices by 50%, so the 6090 may be too ridiculous to try to get when the time comes.

[@Accuaro]

7:43 Intel isn't doing 3x or more FG. If you listen to what Tom Peterson said during an interview with Tim from HUB you will realise Nvidia is doing what Intel is doing for FG. They both are not using a dedicated hardware optical flow accelerator, it's all AI. EDIT: he was also asked about more than 1 frame being generated but I forgot what he answered with, but IIRC it was something like "what if the future is mostly generated frames?" and you know what, he was onto something lol.

[@coin777]

wym? on the slides you can see that 5090 is 30& faster than 4090 with 30% price increase.

[@Thegoodsherman2]

If at all..

[@starofeden9277]

u joking..its only 6 fps faster the rest is fake frames there is videos showing the truth this is just a refreash of 4000 but with added AI hardaare to handle only better software yes it is only a software upgrade

[@coin777]

@@starofeden9277 i guess you are not good in math

[@astrea555]

Why are the prices of the previous gen going up? :(

[@KraszuPolis]

Supply, and demand, they did stop producing them for a while to sell them off before 5xxx series, and they were also producing allot of 5xxx cards instead that aren't on the market yet.

[@IHaveALotOfBraincells]

People were waiting for the announcement of the 50 series, when they realised that the 50 series is a pile of shit they all decided to go with the 40 series.

[@armesisp3201]

@@IHaveALotOfBraincells Unfortunately yeah. I'll be ordering a new pc soon with a 4080 super. Screw the new 5 series.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

"Impossible without fake frames"

[@justinworley6538]

I went thru my 34 wishlist yesterday, and not one of them has a gpu requirement above my 6700xt. I'll wait on upgrading until a game actually requires stronger for 1440p ultrawide 75 avg fps. Happy gaming.

[@kaithong8482]

people will still buy and pre order anyway. because its the jacket mans product and they want their dee ell es es, trace raycing when most of them play all the old games, e sports and buys the 5060 anyway. All of them like their fake frames that creates poorer image quality in motion and higher input latency. But if fps number go up, means game plays better ammirite

[@darkkingastos4369]

Hoping to see a lot of 40 series in my local marketplace. I'm gonna try talk sellers to cut down their prices as much as I can. They deserve it for buying the 50 series. Flip time

[@Zerion]

@@kaithong8482 Harder to persuade people not to buy shit nowadays

[@mackdaddypeypey1]

I’m going from AMD to Nvidia I have an XTX I currently have Andy’s fastest card for a second generation in a row so stop hating on people

[@BrendyNew]

Latency goes down as the frames go up so shows you've not done your homework... Keep your option to yourself until you do.

[@Epitome_]

​@@BrendyNewbro the new frames are fake frames they don't lower latency because there's only 1 real frame per 4 frames

[@naciomay8582]

if a card is able to process 2 frames ina given period , with 3 more generated frames between them means still 2 frames..am I wrong ? 😮

[@justinbarnes8834]

no thats right. you are correct a game still only sees 2 frames. This also means the game cannot react to anything other than the frame it is generating. All these extra frames simply are video smoothing. This is not to say a game shouldn't look good, but there is a difference to 100 fps with frame gen on and 100 fps without.

[@naciomay8582]

@justinbarnes8834 definetly, I mostly play star citizen and cyberpunk kind of games , and it will be amazing for gamers like me..

[@starofeden9277]

besides rememeber your screen only displayes a certain frame amount like 60-90-12--144-165-240-360 so if you have more fps then your screen can display its wasted frames more power usage and u wont even see those extra frames

[@frantz4g63]

​@starofeden9277 frame cap to max hz and save on usage, power, and generate less heat.

[@starofeden9277]

@@frantz4g63 yes true

[@J.king87]

30% RASTER PERFORMANCE uplift over a 4090 = still a big upgrade, beside the software bullshit.

[@dodgeviper2175]

With 25% higher MSRP - not so great

[@J.king87]

@dodgeviper2175 thats how it works men..everywhere...just buy it or buy something cheaper.

[@kevinerbs2778]

20%

[@billclinton4913]

Ai is ruining gaming.

[@mrmertah5412]

We have saying this for day one, Nvidia selling you the mirage for a hundreds $, the next Nvidia Gen will be the dlss5, This reminded me of the old days when Chinese companies were trying to compete with global companies in the field of audio, such as Sony and Philips. Philips devices, for example, were equipped with a card that could reach a 500-watt amplifier. The Chinese found an easy solution. They wrote on their devices a 5,000-watt stereo, guess what? They sold a hundred times more than Philips stuff bc stupid people more than normal ones

[@PhilosophicalSock]

ppl acting like software costs nothing, takes no efforts to develop and means nothing for user. like it is not a neural revolution we are witnessing these days

[@mrmertah5412]

@@PhilosophicalSock I do not blame people, but I blame those who calling themsilve as professors and teachers "KZbinRS" who present themselves as saviors, advisors and teachers of gamers community, but in reality they are nothing but a group of scoundrels and exploiters without any professional conscience, ready to sell us out for a handful of money. It is like a school and the rising generations in society. When the school collapses and becomes a malicious hotbed and a pasture for thieves and unscrupulous teachers, then you have a time period led by mules and fools.

[@asf5431]

Everyone? Nope, mostly old and new fanatics which are a lot tbh. I was watching the show live and the moment I heard jensen say 5070 is equal to 4090 I said "BS" like immediately.

[@GrainOnTheGo]

The 5070 not even being 16GB of VRAM is frustrating. I care less whatever people say about games not actually being VRAM intensive yes they are. Not just that, VRAM plays a role into other processes. Hopefully the 9070XT will be priced well.

[@australienski6687]

Then get the 5070 ti

[@GrainOnTheGo]

@@australienski6687 no.

[@romaboo6218]

​@@australienski66875070 ti only being 16gb is also a clown move.

[@RTX-iu8zi]

​@@australienski6687by your logic. I should just go for 5090

[@celphalonred1999]

70 ti is 16gigs.

[@Zylo-9]

if i have a 3060 and i wanna upgrade what should i upgrade to if i have an i7-12700k

[@MichalIvan]

If you are looking at the 50s series I'd go with 5070Ti or 5080 depending on your budget (with 5080 probably being the better deal). They both ship with 16GB RAM, which will be a must for any new game (like Indy Jones which needs a solid 13.5GB on the Ultra settings). Also the 5070 is in every way worse than 4070 Super, in regards of CUDA Cores, Bandwith, Memory Size... but be aware that the pricing probably won't be anywhere near to what they announced

[@MrSiloterio]

Wait till people realize Geralt doesn't actually live inside their monitors.

[@nicksmith8166]

And they will still be sold out and break sales records because people are idiots.

[@tak2ulata]

How did they fool anyone when they told you how many cores and what the clock speeds are? If you know about GPU hardware, you understand what the role performance will be close to already. The 5090 will be 10 to 20% fast faster than a 4090. But the 32 GB of V ram will allow you to load high-level machine learning language models on a single card. The problem is that people are idiots and don’t know anything about the shit they buy not that Nvidia is fooling anyone.

[@dhaumya23gango75]

They aren't stupid enough to market the 5090 as a gaming gpu and give that minimal improvement. Going by their own performance figures, even in cpu limited games like FC6 and plague tale at 1080p intenal resolution(4k dlss perf mode), it was around a 25% and 40% improvement respectively.

[@tak2ulata]

@ that’s literally the normal type of improvement. We see generation over generation for the past like 20 years of computing.

[@mackdaddypeypey1]

@@dhaumya23gango75 The 1590 is 40% faster than the 4090 without upscaling and that sounds extremely normal and it sounds like something that a lot of people are gonna be happy with

[@dhaumya23gango75]

@@tak2ulata 3090 to 4090 it was a +70%(at worst 60%) improvement. 2080 ti to 3090 it was a +50%(at worst 40%) improvement. Talking about raster, the jump in rt was even higher.

[@tak2ulata]

@ those cards are not comparable to each other. Look at the stats! That’s why a 4090 was almost $2000!

[@theonewhogetsshot-v7k]

Consoomers ruin everything. It’s crazy to me that all you need to control the masses is a simple tag line and a ridiculous jacket

[@Vermilicious]

This behavior is quite scummy. But then, I guess lots of people are being a bit too dumb too. Reviews and tests can be deceiving to people who don't quite understand what they are presented. They see charts and descriptions showing how many frames a card can generate, and assume more frames is always better. Something happened when computer gaming became much more mainstream.

[@dantauche7917]

Im currently running a 3080ti. What should I upgrade to for the best bang for my buck?

[@Kryptic1046]

From the 50 series, I'd say a 5070ti, but those will probably be hard to get for awhile after they come out. If you're looking for a solid upgrade sooner, I'd say a 4080 Super or a 7900 XTX. Anything lower than that wouldn't really be worth it over what you already have.

[@dantauche7917]

@ thanks for the suggestions!

[@MichalIvan]

5070Ti or 5080. They both provide 16GB of RAM and the best value for money (I'm more inclined to the 5080 though)

[@techonlystuff99-tw6cm]

Anyone who thinks a 5070 will match a 4090 doesn't know anything.

[@celphalonred1999]

Incorrect. 4090 is all frame gen. 1 fps Instead of a 5070 Tis 3 frame gen. Performance is still Performance and there's more software. So yea, it's beats out a 4090. And who tf doesn't use dls for better image crisp anyway lmao

[@techonlystuff99-tw6cm]

@@celphalonred1999 In raster, I don't think a 5080 will match a 4090 never mind a 5070 lol

[@andrewchr]

The marketing department at Nvidia are a bunch of sadists 😅😅

[@AnkardTan]

reminder: Jensen Huang and AMD's Lisa Su are cousins

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I cant wait to see the 5090 raster benchmarks

[@coltons1793]

So here's my question would it be better to buy a RTX 4090 that's being sold after these cards come out or just buy a 5070 at this point if money is an object. What do yall recommend

[@hoyle038]

Something is off on this pricing. 5080 @ $999 and 5090 @ $1999....the price gap is to much.

[@Robsham1]

The 5090 isn't for gaming, clearly. And it's not necessary for gaming either.

[@IHaveALotOfBraincells]

the 5080 is a 5070 ti in disguise. Nvidia is probably going to release the real 5080 as a 5080 ti for like 1500$

[@ROLEXLOVER123]

The reason for the big gap is later next year nvidia will release a 5080 super, then a 5080 ti, then a 5080 super ti these cards will fill the gap.

[@chucklesx]

Same pricing as they used for the Titan cards They are not officially marketed towards gamers and if you want one you pay for it. 5090 is a crossover product between their retail and commercial products

[@PhilosophicalSock]

5080 is exactly half of the 5090 GPU crystal and half the memory. Which roughly means 50% of compute power. 1999 / 999 = 2. 5090 / 5080 = 2. What is the point of your comment?

[@myname7021]

the 5090 looks to be about 25-30% faster than the 4090, but it’s also 25% more expensive… And all the 3060 users that want to upgrade would need to pay 70% more (MSRP vs MSRP) to get the same 12GB VRAM 4 years later….

[@gaua31415]

i think it's crazy that we can generate 3 full frame multiple times in 1 sec but cannot calculate the real frame from the data we have ...

[@PhilosophicalSock]

It is nor crazy, it is just neural maths that looks like cheating to an average clueless user who is definitely not an engineer

[@360Fov]

@@PhilosophicalSock What is "neural maths" ? I studied Neural Networking as part of games programming degree and never heard of neural maths before.

[@starofeden9277]

@@360Fov all AI bullsh1t actually all programmed software to do what hardware cannot do

[@jalebisingh9886]

Like how the RTX 50 series with RT on and no MFG only beat previous gen by 20-30% for the 5070 to 5080. And they improved the RT on this generation. Which means raster must be similar to last gen.

[@justhomas83]

Staying with my RTX 4090

[@DeadPiixxel]

No

[@justhomas83]

@DeadPiixxel have fun

[@CustomizedSanity]

they need better ai to fix ai while we don't need ai at all.

[@piranhax6466]

I had someone offer me 549 for my 4090 showing picture of the 5070. I told the guy those are not actual numbers to compare for price. Hah

[@drblitz3092]

I dont want that 4090 piece of shet

[@cvd1]

The fact that the 5070 is worse than a 4070 super without the dlss bullshit really shows what nvidia is trying to hide.

[@mchonkler7225]

Pretty sure he knew that and just wanted a sweet deal on a 4090, otherwise, why wouldn't he just get the more power efficient card if it gave the same performance as a 4090.

[@piranhax6466]

​@mchonkler7225 could be, u had forgot i even had it up for sale lol had offers above cost even.. prob keeping and upgrade with 6090

[@Dempig]

Yeah sure that totally happened

[@tlevans62]

I’m sticking with my RTX 4070 Super paired with my i9-10900K, does everything I need and can play almost everything at 1440p on high or ultra. I’d go broke buying the latest of everything, every time it’s released. These cards won’t do anything for me unless I upgrade my whole system.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I think the 5080 will be the hit card from the series, near 4090 performance for $1000.

[@darkkingastos4369]

4090 has more TFLOPS and will be much faster especially on all the new games that are going to eat more than 16 gigs of vram

[@BlazeBluetm35]

@@darkkingastos4369 depends on how good that multi frame gen actually is

[@Elios0000]

it cant be near it has BE 4090 or better or its a over priced

[@VIRT22]

5080 has less cores, less memory bandwith, less VRAM and less power limit. There's no way in hell NVIDIA will give you a 16GB 4090 for $1000. 5080 probably gonna be within 5-10% a 4080.

[@mackdaddypeypey1]

@@VIRT22 Buddy, why are you lying? It’s pretty obvious to everyone in the know that the 50 series is about 30 to 40% faster than the 40 series you giving it 5 to 10% is just because you hate nvidia 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@1wwwandrey]

Does anyone know if any of these cards will support the duel 4k monitor at 240FP. Because currently the 4090 can't.

[@chickenwim]

“Moore’s Law is dead” said the large tech company that sets the pace of hardware development in the first place

[@CaptainScorpio24]

exactly .

[@kevinerbs2778]

Tom is full crap.

[@VoxelUsagiVT]

man, its crazy how people are hating the 50 series already without having one already at home or at their workplace.

[@temperedglass1130]

Let's all buy 50 series and support Nvidia.

[@garystinten9339]

Yeah and then skip the next 3 generations as the 5090 will become the new 1060ti

[@hurricane31415]

From that table around 6:30, the gen 5000 isn't worth it.

[@johnc8327]

Using a $500 gpu and 200 watts to generate 240fps versus using a $3000 gpu and 800 watts to render 240fps.

[@andaryal256]

It's sad to see that GPU manufacturers use upscaling to sell lower cards performing at last gen high end card performance. I can just see the future GPUs having lower specs and using upscaling to achieve higher frame rates

[@kaizer-777]

I mean, if you include the cost of a modern OLED TV and sound system, 10K for the entire entertainment system isn't that far off.

[@leaphardotnet]

5000 is enough for that

[@Deadlines-X]

It is still very far off, oled tvs are very affordable, the price of a 5080 lol

[@B_Machine]

2 high end monitors + desk, chair, extra gen 5 storage, high end periphials, etc yeah I can see it ballooning to that.

[@kaizer-777]

@@Deadlines-X If you're buying a 5090, you're definitely not buying bargain-bin OLEDs. I just paid 3500 for a LG G4 and that was on sale.

[@FuriousInferno]

Imagin the latency on 4x FG, it's not even practical at this point.

[@dolan_plz]

Just FYI - Cyberpunk's input lag is higher without Reflex than with frame generation (which forces Reflex) On average my total PC latency without Reflex and without FG (RT overdrive, 4K, DLSS performance) is about 65ms. With FG+ Reflex it's about 55ms. (~70fps without FG, ~100fps with FG) Kind of ironic, isn't it? 🙃

[@Accuaro]

Using warp frames, your mouse movement will feel really good but moving and shooting will be slower (interacting with the game) since you're still at 60 fps for example.

[@Archonsx]

5090 is an AI gpu, has nothing to do with gaming, have people not understand that gaming is dead? look at nvidia earnings, they could cut the gaming sector completely and it would make no difference to them.

[@LeaveMyGun]

Gaming industry market cap is increasing year by year. Just because you are stuck in the past and cant accept AI is the future doesnt mean gaming is dead. Get with the times and dont be a caveman.

[@coffee7180]

He is telling you the truth, gaming isn't that important for NVIDIA.

[@apocalypse4720]

They announced last year they was relying on AI for more peak performance. I'm surprised people didn't already know this.

[@DexMaster881]

Danny My Friend. The reason nVidia is trying so hard is because it saves them massive money, and they can play with it to Promote the Next Gen even harder. Aka Performance downs when the next gen comes out. I am NOT against features that can enhance output, if you wish you can use them and if it happens to Hit the spot for you I am perfectly fine. However I Drove a Mercedes C250 CDI 2007. It Had features like Aero constructed to basically be immune to Rain from 60-90Km/h. A.k.a you don't need wipers if the rain is light or medium strong, you move above 60Km/h. IT STILL HAD WIPERS. Not only because you need them by Traffic regulations, but because it's a Failsafe system that needs very little to function. And its cost Was the Same as Previous model C250 in the same Trim. So they just added to it. What nVidia is Doing is making a Car with less and less components, Oh Roof, we don't need that our AI Aero ducting is so superior that No rain could ever hit your head, we even have 3 build in Air compressors and 4 heavy duty Li-ion batteries to keep the compressors supplied when you're standing still or the car is turned off. And the Price keeps creeping up... The whole point is to achieve : 1. Massive cuts to development 2. As much control for as far away possible they can over the products. nVidia dreams of what Modern Phone Gambling apps are doing. Ability to Hook people on believing they are winning and then take it all away when it's in their interest for the User to Recharge the Credit or Lose the ability to use what they have.

[@juliotitosagastegui9453]

hye guys, so im building my first PC, what should i do? i was thinking on getting the 5070 ti or should i wait for the older gpu's prices to go down and maybe get a AMD RX 7900 XTX or maybe a 4080/4090 will depend on how much the price go down. i think id be happy with any at the end of the day but still i dont wanna be upgrading my hardware for a while.

[@TheLDunn1]

The other way to view this is…(if the 5070 did offer 4090 performance), “your 4090 has just lost $1050 in value over night”. Is that really good marketing?

[@mariusz0kreft]

What if someone makes DLSS 4 run on a 4000 or 3000 card?

[@chrisliddiard725]

Is there any info on the power usage, the TDP, and the Psu connectors to be used on these new AIs? Also, there should really be an official AIO for this series. It should not be left to the market. Edit : ...and then i saw that screenshot @6:28 360w TGP / 850w PSU for the 5080 seems reasonable. Very likely underpowered.

[@Fk8td]

I can’t wait for the 5090 founders to overheat. 575 Watts in a two slot card I can’t possibly see this thing not overheating.

[@kevinerbs2778]

I'm wait till the boards start melting instead of the connectors.

[@Oplix]

My biggest concern is how much gimmick tech is involved in 50 series and how Nvidia didn't mention absolutely any future proofing hardware on the 50 series cards.

[@BeatmasterAC]

Nvidia back then: +T&L +Vertex Shader +Shader Models +Pixel Shaders +floating Point Shaders +Physx +HDR Imaging +unified Shader Models +Tesslation +NVlink +NVENC +MLAA & TSAA +Hairworks +Gsync +$400 Mid Gen GPUs and $800 Top Tier GPUs +focus on new Graphic Features, Performance and raw Power. - Fermi Architecture was a Failiure - GTX970 was a Scam (3,5GB + 0,5GB) - Nvidia Partner Program was bad Nvidia since RTX2000 series: +Raytracing +Pathtracing - fake Resolution (DLSS/DSR/DLDSR) - fake frames (FG) - fake Rays (Ray Reconstruction) - worst AA next to FXAA (TAA) - blurring - ghosting - Artifacts - Noise (RT) - Input Lag - Artificial Stupidity - melting 12VHPWR Connectors - $600 Mid Gen GPUs and $1000+ High End GPUs - tried to sell a 4070ti as a 4080 - focus on Efficiency and cheap Software Gimmicks, just to keep RT/PT, Lumen, Nanite and the trash UE5 Engine somewhat playable. - RTX5000 Gen feels like Refresh and a Software update instead of a new propper GPU Gen. - Bonus: Devs won't care about Optimization anymore since AI, fake frames and upscalers will do the dirty work anyway. And this is coming from a long time Nvidia GPU user.

[@GravityPrince]

DLSS 4 generates more AI-driven frames, but this results in higher latency during gameplay, which impact competitive or fast-paced experiences

[@zackw4941]

As a 3090 owner sitting tepidly in the fence to upgrade, I'm definitely interested in more information about the DLSS improvements that will apply to the older cards.

[@GaMeR_bOi_83]

I didn’t know my 3080 will get some of the new features. Now idk if I should upgrade? I know to wait and see how things go. But the price can’t be ignored.

[@friedmule5403]

AI can maybe give you a "better" image in the next generation 6070 where a 720px is scaled up to 4K and DLSS5, meaning you get no more information that a 720px 30fps, but it looks like a 4K 200fps. Remember you'll still only get new information on what is really happening 30 times a second, the rest of the time is just "reruns" of old info, and upsizing an image, does not give more info, it just makes the picture look larger.

[@neomorphius2207]

I'm no expert when it comes to identifying what is the best graphics. However, I do find is rather bizarre that the 5070 has the same performance as the 4090 and the price difference is insane. This makes me wonder if Nvidia purposely put that expensive price tag on the previous "high end" model just to have it get eclipsed by the next gen base model at a rock-bottom price.

[@ZeroG]

Will DLSS4 run on 4090 tho?

[@saitamamako7949]

If u been paying attention to CES Yes it will be but one of features for dlss 4 will be exclusive fr 50 series

[@cococliff]

In classical performance benchmark test I think 5070=4080，at least is 4070Tis because of 5070 is 250w ,4070Tis is 285W and 4070s is only 220W TSMC process shouldn't be regress in past 2 years

[@glenni83]

Did not fool me. We are back to 1080TI vs 20 series card, most people skipped. Think we see this again.

[@JD_Manufacturing]

Also interesting is going to be if this gen of hardware is going to substantially boost productivity performance more or less than last generation or would it not make much difference?