Nvidia G-Sync Pulsar: The Next Big Thing For Display Technology?

[@Aurora12488]

We'll see if it works well. Nvidia advertised ULMB2 as having "vertical-dependent overdrive", and yet the crosstalk on it in practice is awful. The problem with VRR+ULMB is that you need to show the frame as soon as you get it, and then turn off the backlight after a certain amount of time, but that amount of time isn't dependent on *that* frame, but on the arrival time of the *next* frame. If you turn off too soon, you get too dark an image, and if you turn off too late, you get too bright an image. Maybe they can guess a frametime, and change the brightness of the next frame to compensate? But then those errors can stack. Will be interested in seeing what they come up with.

[@spyro440]

Appreciate this, a strobing/scanning backlight ('low persistence') greatly improves motion clarity but needs at least about 85 fps to not flicker. VR displays use tech like this for years, the first prototypes without were blurry as hell.

[@juno1597]

I haven't seen a single gaming monitor on the market do BFI at 60 Hz.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@juno1597 (whispering) You might be thinking of an NTSC CRT!

[@lulkLogan]

You know every one of us (over the age of 25 anyway) played video games for years on 60hz CRT TVs, right?

[@juno1597]

@@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer I have no idea why You think I'm not referring to modern-day monitors. Good luck with your demons.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@juno1597 Hey, man, how was I to know?

[@mrkiplingman]

I love my Panasonic vt50 plasma tv it's amazing only 1080p and 60fps and it feels like 144hz only people who have had a plasma will understand me.

[@alphacompton]

Mini Led was the backlighting tech @Dark1X was describing. Mini-led is pretty good especially when combined with a Quantum dot layer, gives a great picture quality in my opinion. I personally think it's a better option for a desktop monitor with static content so that burn in is never a problem. I use an OLED LG C2 as my main gaming display but I also use a Mini led equipped monitor (Cooler Master tempest GP27Q). Some wonky quirks but it does give decent HDR with 1200 nits brightness.

[@Wobble2007]

Just to let you know guys, you can do something even better than VRR on CRT's, it's called scanline-sync, and it gives you perfect 0ms latency tear free frames, all with CRT's perfect raster-scan motion clarity, it's just image perfection, it needs about 25% of your GPU, so you need a powerful one or a game that doesn't use more then 75% of your GPU, a 3070/80/4070/80/90 will handle scanline-sync nicely, I'm hoping it will be updated to being able to run SLS (scanline-sync) on a second GPU, for instance a 4X PCIe Quadro would run it nicely just like how a G-Sync module works only on a dedicated GPU instead, so if you are using an AMD APU and a discrete PCIe GPU, you could run SLS on the iGPU and not lose 25% of your GPU performance, the new Intel ARC iGPU's on their CPU's would handle SLS nicely too.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Sk has latent sync which is like rtss' scanline sync but better. It's gsync on steroids. But idk if it's compatible with bfi.

[@sapphyrus]

For years I thought it was my eyesight getting worse but it was the monitors. I hope this will be widespread soon enough with at an affordable rate.

[@LeonardTavast]

Temporal technologies such as frame generation and TAA make the pictures more blurry. Upscaling such as DLSS also make the picture more blurry compared to native. There's simply not enough compute available for both ray tracing and for a crisp picture.

[@existentialselkath1264]

Try playing older games without TAA, and disable motion blur if necessary (though I personally like the effect) and see if you still think so. LCD issues are with frames effectively fading into other frames but if by poor eyesight you mean it looks soft, that's likely TAA

[@sapphyrus]

@@LeonardTavast It's not even about games, merely video traversing across a scene is blurry. It's not anti-aliasing or effects like that. What they talk about in the video refers to the blur when the camera is moving.

[@sapphyrus]

@@existentialselkath1264 I always disable motion blur, nothing like that. Merely video traversing across a scene gets blurry compared to ye olde CRT because of what they're talking about in the video. Techniques to refresh the screen like black frame insertion is the solution.

[@Latin00032]

I downloaded a program that cheats bfi on my oled screen but it worked kinda janky but I was able to tell how much more clear it is. Bfi is the next step that needs to get perfected.

[@fh5kskalf]

Yeah, I hope someone makes a HDMI 2.1 BFI injector that takes 60fps input from consoles and outputs the image with 120fps BFI. Should be pretty doable.

[@Latin00032]

@damnkris I would think it's possible becuase the retrotink 4k can already do this. What I hope to happen is to have amd or nvidia update drivers to create an option to take a 60fps signal and convert to 120hz while inserting black frames. There is already a program on github that can almost do this.

[@fh5kskalf]

@@Latin00032 The Retrotink 4K can't do it, it only has HDMI 2.0.

[@serifffic]

What's the name of the program?

[@robotmechanicalwhizkid2521]

Yeah what's the name please

[@ITrendzI]

OLEDs are becoming the standard because of near zero response time. High refresh, great contrast, high refresh rate. If pulsar doesn’t work on OLEDs you’d be choosing motion clarity over response time.

[@KingzWayzGamez]

Since 2009 i use a 65" 120Hz Gsync OLED TV with 4ms as Monitor. Very Happy with that.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Ips with bfi > oled > ips

[@biohazardousbacon]

Would this require a new type of gsync module or would it with with current gsync modules?

[@y2kprawn]

Yeah, these days shit is so expensive we need less proprietary once off standards, took ages until monitors supported GSync and Freesync without the premium. Annoying.

[@Monticello19]

This is the main reason I haven't upgraded from my top end Panasonic VT60 plasma yet. The motion clarity is just too good with gaming. I like the motion better @60hz on my plasma over 120hz on my ips lcd gaming laptop. If this works with OLEDs that will be fantastic, otherwise I'll probably hunt for a used LG C1.

[@jeffreymalone2079]

Sadly none of the new OLED monitors at CES will have it 😢 Only one I saw that even mentioned BFI could only do it at 120Hz and not even 60Hz, which is a huge shame

[@BHFFS]

You don't need it with OLED since there is no blacklight. You can use black frame insertion to get the same sort of motion clarity.

[@mosthated8848]

@@BHFFS only with 60hz and, VRR has to be turnt of.

[@lulkLogan]

@@mosthated8848 "turned off", is how you say it in english And losing out on VRR is worth it, as long as you know how to tweak your resolution and fidelity settings to maintain that baseline performance (whether your refresh is 60hz, 80hz, 120hz, whatever)

[@ohozo7292]

I don’t see this necessary on OLED with the low pixel response time. Right?

[@lulkLogan]

@@ohozo7292 You need to borrow somebody's CRT. 99% of the populations has forgotten what good motion clarity looks like. Short answer: No. Unless OLED has a good BFI option, it has bad motion clarity, because it's sample and hold like an LCD

[@scofozo]

This may allow for some insanely high refresh rate displays, like 1khz, and your gpu would only have to output half that, since every other frame wouldn't have to render, correct? ...Do you know anything about that new 480hz oled getting bfi at 240hz?

[@yoked391]

meanehile TAA blurring our games LMAO

[@Fe1538C]

BFI and VRR works for sam LCD for example: Gigabyte M27U - BFI and VRR work as expected between 100 to 160Hz ASUS PG27UQR - enable the ELMB SYNC setting BFI and VRR work between 120 to 160Hz

[@elbamare]

this

[@yoked391]

@@elbamare i had m28u and it worked pretty good, but it was bugged, i forgot, but you had to turn off freesync or something, re enable and it fixed the weird halo effectt

[@kerkertrandov459]

If uve seen review of the PG27UCS u'd know the elmb sync is bad. It reduces the brightness to darkness and motion-wise it looks worse than pure bfi. Just not good enough.

[@h4x0y]

Doesn't black frame insertion greatly decrease the perceived brightness of the display?

[@MikhailT]

With current or previous OLED panels, most likely yes. That's why LG and others have been focusing on improving brightness levels in the first place, OLED itself atm has worse brightness levels compared to LEDs in general. See Vincent's tech channel about this. If LG increased CX5's brightness by 50% as an example (1500 nits), then using BFI that'd reduce it by 50% means it'd be much less of an issue at (1000 nits) compared to the current OLED's panel that may drop it to (500 nits).

[@kristiangurholt59]

My opinion is that unless you’re playing in a brightly lit room, brightness drop isn’t a problem. I almost always use BFI on my Panasonic oled and have luminance set somewhere in the lower half, and I see everything just fine.

[@aberkae]

Nvidia's website says some LG oled tvs will support Gsync pulsar. So you don't need the Gsync module?

[@alphacompton]

When I was installing my LG C2 TV I saw it had an nVidia Gsync badge on the side. To my knowledge it doesn't have a Gsync module but clearly it's got some kind of certification from nvidia for Gsync. Maybe those type of TVs will get support pulsar?

[@aberkae]

@alphacompton Yeah I have the CX and see the pop-up too with gsync supported display but I'm not sure if Pulsar will be supported or how to activate it.

[@gusmlie]

Not another nvidia monitor tech to lock customers in....

[@jamescampbell8482]

Right now I have a BenQ XL2720 1080p 144hz monitor that I have overclocked to 179 HZ. I use a moderately high base frame rate, and aigment it with lossless scaling frame generation so that FPS always equals HZ for the motion Clarity benefit. And when the base refresh rate before frame generation is high enough you don't notice the artifacting. The strobing of the backlight combined with the frame generation makes the interpolated frames even less noticeable. It all looks pretty good considering that I'm running a GTX 1060 3 gig model

[@Nearest_Neighbor]

Is there a "stuff" counter for DF?

[@DrKrFfXx-0]

Isn't this similar/the same as ELMB Sync?

[@fh5kskalf]

That only works for fixed framerates, Pulsar supports VRR.

[@DrKrFfXx-0]

@@fh5kskalfNo. ELMB Sync is black frame insertion with VRR.

[@fh5kskalf]

Oh yeah, I got confused for a bit.

[@njhourigan7615]

Exactly what I was thinking, though I remember seeing some poor reviews of that at the time so perhaps this is a better implementation of the same idea.

[@frobthebuilder]

What's the point of this when TAA/DLSS makes the actual image itself blurry when the camera is in motion?

[@Rauw]

You can buy 4090/5090 and not use it when you can afford monitors supporting this.

[@BaghaShams]

I thought Asus had some TUF monitors that did VRR+BLI ? Isn't that the same thing?

[@konstantinlozev2272]

Low persistence has been in all VR headsets, back to the Rift CV1, maybe even the DK2 and certainly even GearVR. So, if you have tried VR with GearVR and compared it to Google Cardboard, then you know what it is and how it is different from persistent displays.

[@TSTLTK0322]

I can still play Level 10 Faceit with just a 180hz monitor, 5800x3d and rtx 3080ti. I haven't had a chance to try monitors with refresh rates higher than 180hz in the past 3 years. So I'm still very satisfied with the current viewsonic 180hz monitor.

[@darkmanure]

I wish this was compatible with OLEDs.

[@Eliteownage]

Hell, it's about time! I've been waiting for simultaenous VRR ULMB for a decade

[@lukismilenar]

Will You analyze the Lossless Scaling Frame Generation?

[@RichardKelwick]

Stupid question - would an 4K CRT be the best display ever ?

[@assdan27]

Not for me lol. I had headache issues for years. Pretty sure the constant whine of all the CRTs in school was the cause of it.

[@cusideabelincoln]

Any word on the minimum framerate this tech will work at?

[@smithtimothy93]

I would guess 85 fps. ULMB had a floor of 85 and I think it is bc any lower than than is where people start to see flickering in bright scenes. I'd guess any lower than that the VRR will work but the back light will not flicker.

[@OceanicMemory]

They already did that and failed, it might be another hype so people buy "new" hardware, Inserting black frames will cause the brightness and contrast almost gets half. And also you will get headache if you play more that few hours on that mode because of flickering, even on 120 fps it's noticeable and losing all the brightness and contrast makes it only the fancy option on your monitor you never actually use.

[@MerryBlind]

So it’s basically dynamic BFI/backlight strobing? Sounds amazing, though I wonder if it will make frames fluctuating more noticeable. Having BFI flicker at an irregular pace could probably be uncomfortable since your eyes wouldn’t be able to get used to the cadence.

[@Charlymander]

Looking back at CRT tech dont you get the feel that it was over-engineered ? You have this giant cannon firing electrons at insane frequencies directly at your face and the only thing stopping that is a glass panel with phospor grid. Sounds like something from the future actually.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@IntegerOfDoom From a temporal aspect, I would agree*, but the pixels per inch aspect of the vast majority of consumer CRTs leaves something to be desired. Only the Sony GDM-FW900 and GDM-F520 perform well in that department, but they're super expensive and rare. *My Toshiba 20AF45 has some long persistence phosphors, which results in some mild ghosting that I can notice when playing at night.

[@Haunteral]

I have the 540hz Asus and run things at 540fps. I keep ulmb2 off. The difference is marginal. Motion clarity looks cool on pursuit camera shot sure, in game it’s not that cool or significant. I think there is even some inexplicable temporal advantage I get from just leaving the backlight always on and letting the pixels flow into the next color feels smoother. It’s sharpness vs smoothness. Don’t let anyone sell you a monitor based on a strobed ufo test screenshot, try it for yourself.

[@zacharyspencer2285]

How different is 540fps vs 144fps. Is it a night and day difference?

[@Haunteral]

@@zacharyspencer2285 extreme yea

[@johnmoore1495]

@@zacharyspencer2285yes, you’re looking at a 275% increase in total frames. 7ms per frame vs 1.85ms per frame. Really only applicable though if you play the types of games that can hit that, which is basically just eSports games.

[@zacharyspencer2285]

@@johnmoore1495 yeah I was thinking it would be quite a big jump. But hard to know what it would look like. I had a 200hz monitor at one point and that was definitely a jump from 144 but not anywhere close to as big of a difference from 60fps to 120fps. But when we are talking 480+ fps I have to imagine it's a different level. Most likely next year they'll be 32" 360hz or 480hz 4k oled monitors. I'll get one to see what it's like then.

[@johnmoore1495]

@@zacharyspencer2285 if you’re not an esports guy I would definitely say get a 4K OLED 240Hz monitor, the price won’t be that much different compared to the 540Hz 1080p monitor. It’ll just be a much better experience for basically anything other than esports titles since you’ll get a higher resolution, true blacks, instant pixel response, etc. The 540Hz is really only a benefit when you’re trying to get a competitive edge.

[@SurrealLeaf]

Cant wait for G-sync pulsar to be released and Nvidia releasing drivers that *possibly* break it for MONTHS like they have now ("Horizontal band might appear when cloning display with Gsync to hdmi display" as "known issue" since october '23 if not more)

[@SSNebula]

This horizontal band you speak of.. is it about 6 inches down from the screen then about the middle of the screen then the bottom? Just asking for my personal indulgence 👍🏼

[@SurrealLeaf]

@@SSNebula They didn't specify much about it. Mine has one at bottom and I'm like 80% sure it started after I shared my gsync monitor to TV. Hoping it's driver issue because those are fixable faster than warranty. But the fact that drivers can cause issues like that.. yikes

[@npcwill283]

Shouldn't we just reinvent a better CRT and skip all this shit ? I mean seriously can we not build a monitor that does one line at a time down the monitor do we have to adjust every pixel or can we make monitors with pixel stacks and light up each on in a series of pulses down the monitor ?

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

Aren't you thinking of a Surface-conduction electron-emmitter display?

[@npcwill283]

@@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer I can not even pronounce those words . Maybe possibly !

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@npcwill283 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display?wprov=sfti1# It's basically a dot matrix CRT!

[@CrystalTaylor-q4x]

Kenna Streets

[@estebanalzate7609]

This would be huge for vr

[@abeidiot]

it's been in 2 generations of vr headsets already

[@roguespartan2854]

Here's an easy solution; games should have an Adjustable Motion Blur that we can adjust to our liking

[@TylerOdelette-z1j]

Douglas Knolls

[@DroolingDrilling]

Can someone explain in plain terms, why CRT is so special and “better” than modern solutions?

[@aravindpallippara1577]

Pixel persistence, lcd especially - the image on the screen stays until it's overwritten by the next frame, while crts only show an instantaneous image (hell it's actually a fast moving line) and then it's a black screen

[@DroolingDrilling]

@@aravindpallippara1577 oh so you mean, if you filmed a lcd screen and a CRT screen in slow motion, on an lcd screen you’d see the pixels like smearing almost? As they transition into the next frame leaving remnants of the old frame until it’s overwritten? Whereas with a CRT you’d see a horizontal line moving up or down constantly really fast essentially refreshing the frame all the time? Cause if so that makes sense now why one of them said that if OLED could reach the 1000 frames per second barrier then the refresh rate would be as good as CRT in terms of pixel persistence but have better colour accuracy and image quality/clarity.

[@KarenWalker-q7j]

Murray Shoal

[@Thematrix075.]

Im not a fan of vrr for me it softening the resolution games look better without it so i dont put it on

[@HArryvajonas]

I remember setting up my first 120 HZ Gsync monitor and the images almost seemed to have a 3d effect because the motion was so much cleaner and smoother. Unfortunately, now I have 144 HZ gsync 2 k monitor with a 3080 TI and games are becoming blurry again due to the overuse of DLSS to pull high frames in most modern AAA titles.

[@Rem_NL]

If you look at that pic from Asus. That screen is super thicc. I wonder if it will use a LCD driver only diplaying white. And maybe an IPS or (one can hope) clear oled on the front. This would be able to do with some DIY work too.

[@stancartmankenny]

wouldn't it be trivially easy for any graphics card to just send a black frame between each normal frame?

[@Phasma6969]

Think why it's done on the display and not the GPU

[@samcerulean1412]

Agreed

[@kainlamond]

Two issues with that, you'd be cutting your fps in half as a lot of BFI work at a higher rate than the display refreshes at. If you just made every other frame black you'd still be sample and holding both frame anyways before and after anyways.

[@stancartmankenny]

@@kainlamond oh right... if every other frame is black, and the TV can only show 120 hz, then you'd be effectively stuck at 60hz.

[@thanosaias2717]

OLEDS are PWM panels...they do strobe!

[@rorynolan2322]

Be awesome to have that same g-sync teck with remote play/steam link/moonlight as well

[@astrea555]

It's big for LCDs but an oled TV with BFI basically does the same. Without VRR yes, but if you watch DF, you know how to stabilize your framerate so that you don't need variable refresh anyway :D

[@MikhailT]

BFI only works with fixed refresh rates, this tech is for combining both VRR and strobing. So, it's big news for all panels, not just LCDs.

[@HerbKarro-y1o]

Hauck Avenue

[@garethperks7032]

So ELMB Sync basically. I wonder if nvidia bought it from asus…

[@RichardWilliams-u7r]

Aiden Roads

[@chonkusdonkus]

Tired of proprietary Nvidia things, just work with others to make open standards, thanks.

[@antimsm6705]

Pulsar is nothing more than VRR with strobing backlight, what a disappointment. I was hoping that finally someone managed to make the strobing (or BFI) every second frame with monitor maximum refresh rate, no matter the frame rate of the content (the way CRTs worked), that way you would always have the maximum motion clarity no matter what FPS you get. The demo with 1000 FPS high-speed pursuit camera only shows the expected difference between strobing and no strobing, this is nothing special, Nvidia only combines it with VRR, which I rarely use, so Pulsar will be useless for me. This is not the CRT like experience we were waiting for.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Go play CS2 on ur CRT then

[@kerkertrandov459]

How do u remove tearing without vrr then?

[@davidjohansson1416]

I don’t care about this because oled doesn’t have backlight like lcd’s.

[@JoaoMXN]

OLED monitors are burn in central, not that great for people that care about longevity.

[@davidjohansson1416]

@@JoaoMXNOther than oled. I'm still not convinced switching from my two tn panels by benq. have two of the original 120hz panels. Still working great years and years later.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

I hope my CRT TV won't become obsolete to this!

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@griffin5734I meant in the context of retrogaming; the last three things I want to see on my doorstep are a Gsync Pulsar-compatible flat panel, a N64 that outputs a 240p Gsync signal, and a Retrotink Pulsar Edition.

[@KrazzeeKane]

Honestly I don't mind motion blur itself--what I don't like, is this crappy and cheap af UNIVERSAL motion blur that is often used in games. If everything goes all blurry it becomes absolutely awful to look at and play, and is a bad setting if not used properly. But there are absolutely certain situations where you would want to utilize some motion blur on a scene or objects and the environment, but it should not ever be obstructing the scene and art itself, it should instead add to the whole effect.

[@JenniferThompson-q1u]

Swaniawski Isle

[@RoyBrown777]

Another overhyped product that no one will care about in 3 years and AMD will release a clone of which will become the standard.

[@francischabot1412]

If it's requires a chip making monitors 100$ to 200$ CAD more expensive then it's the next nothing.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Just cuz u cant afford it doesnt mean its nothing

[@ohozo7292]

I believe my asus VG27aql1a already does this, called ELMB sync. Albeit not perfectly and there’s some noticeable duplication when scrolling text or using UFO test site. Edit: the strobing works with g-sync active

[@glungusgongus]

0:44 - 2:44 Dense insane wordage. Smart brain

[@syeddanishanwer]

Here let me correct it for you: Dense intense garbage. Foolish brain. (will fall for it hook, line and stinker). This is another one of those features to empty the pockets of gamers.

[@glungusgongus]

@@syeddanishanwer bruh I'm just respecting the Human being

[@GoldBearanimationsYT]

Imagine a game where the Ai reacts to your time traveling

[@Zinkolo]

Can't you just get a similar effect by turning off motion blur?

[@Mcnooblet]

G-Sync Pulsar will suck until AMD develops a worst implementation in which case I will praise it and tell everyone how happy I am with my life choices.

[@Jeremy-WC]

Yes but the AMD worse implementation will not require a $200 module in every monitor and eventually as it becomes an adopted open standard it will approach 90% of the NVIDIA version. Still its interesting to see how NVIDIA differentiates itself but considering this will boost a decent lcd monitor to close to an oled price its hard to see this tech take off.

[@kerkertrandov459]

This monitor will prob be a 1000 bucks and every esports gamer ever will use it or get left in the dust. So, prepare ur wallet.

[@eobet]

I got two different expensive 144hz displays but they gave me such eye pain that I’m back to 60hz displays now and even had to move away from IPS and go with VA.

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

Imagine G-Sync Pulsar on an LG C4 OLED with BFI and no loss of brightness 🥵

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

@superamigo987 yeah we are getting pretty close, but a CRT cannot be total black so its worse in my opinion on contrast and color, however a CRT has insanley good input lag 👌

[@Vorexia]

@@EverythingPS5Pro Also the lack of VRR, brightness, HDR, sharpness, form factor, etc. It's insane how some CRT enthusiasts are completely unable to empathize with the fact that not everyone has the exact same use case as they do.

[@Vorexia]

@@IntegerOfDoom … and here comes the exact type of person I was talking about, lol.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@Vorexia1. At 6:00, John says that you can awkwardly hack VRR into some multiscan CRTs. 2. That may be due to poorly configured brightness/contrast settings, the CRT using a shadow mask instead of an aperture grille or a monochrome smooth phosphor surface, or failty capacitors. I've been pretty happy with the brightness on my Toshiba 20AF45, despite it being a shadow mask. 3. CRTs could have had HDR, if history went differently. Flat panels achieved HDR by using a more efficient electro-optical transfer function, while CRTs could have used the existing gamma curve and bumped the RGB bits up to 12 or 14 or 16. It'd cost a lot of space for FMV cutscenes, but it'd be possible nonetheless. 4. Alack, you are correct in that department. Most monochrome tubes, Sony's GDM-F520, and the BarcoReality 912 have incredible sharpness, but (except for the mono tubes) all of them are WAY beyond my price point. I think that CRT manufacturers should have supported DVI and HDMI much earlier and more consistently; at least it would mitigate detail loss over interference-prone analog cables. 5. You got me there as well. In my last semester of college in 2022, I brought my Toshiba 20AF45, and every day, I would carry it from my dorm room to the dining hall, and my friends and I would play Wii and Gamecube games on it. While I felt like a badass carrying that TV around, I'm certain that others would hate it. Also, the 15.75 KHz squeal drives me nuts, and I don't have a 31.5 KHz-capable CRT yet. Also also, the eyestrain of 60 Hertz on a CRT, especially when interlacing is involved.

[@abc-ni9lp]

TV CRT is equvalent to 15000 fps quite far away

[@JamanWerSonst]

speed of light (almost) fps

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

Well, except my original CRT TV, which was a Samsung HD-CRT. It would always display 240p as 480i!

[@kerkertrandov459]

Fps is for noobs, try fpns, frames per nano second

[@H3LLGHA5T]

So basically ELMB Sync that was already available on some ASUS displays? I wasn't to impressed by it on my monitor.

[@djtomoy]

I still think 3D is the next big thing in TV tech

[@chickenpasta7359]

lol

[@mikeuk666]

😂 it came.... failed then left

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

Virtual Boy, anyone?

[@MarioManTV]

RIP NVIDIA 3D Vision

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

thanks for this comment from 7 years ago

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

Can we just get games to run at a stable 60 fps? That's all I ask.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Buy a 4090 then, and dont play alan wake or cyberpunk

[@Sand_1995]

It pains me that these new display tech will only benefit those playing sweaty games like Apex, Valorant, Fortnite and won't affect the quality for the average single player game. Motion blur helps single player ganes. Real life has motion blur. Its what helps our eye not get strained while driving fast or looking at fast moving objects. Imo the best display tech would be one having a CRT like image with OLED black levels that removes pixelation in 8bit and pixel games.

[@Root_boy]

The type of motion blur that a display produces is not the good type of motion blur. The type of nice motion blur that you see in real life would actually require a high framerate with as little display blur as possible and should be generated in the rendered image.

[@fh5kskalf]

Not that kind of motion blur, if our eyes had a resolution and saw pixels IRL, the pixels would have instantaneous response times... Motion blur should be added purposefully (per-pixel/per-object motion blur), not be a byproduct of crappy displays.

[@fh5kskalf]

Root_boy was a minute ahead of me, but we both agree. Your last sentence is completely nonsensical BTW, what does a display that "removes pixelation in 8bit and pixel games" even mean? That's the exact opposite of what you'd want, you'd want Nearest Neighbor upscaling to preserve the pixels.

[@Sand_1995]

@@fh5kskalf CRT preserves all the data without the pixelation effect. DF made a video about why CRTs are the superior displays for gaming.

[@Sand_1995]

@@Root_boy I agree. Motion blur should be a byproduct of game design not from bad pixel response times.

[@GFClocked]

Not being compatible with oled is the biggest L ever

[@ohozo7292]

Would there be any benifits as oled already has incredible response times

[@GFClocked]

@@ohozo7292 yes. The oled is the one that's best suited to take biggest advantage of this. The response times would allow for great motion persistence. Google : blur busters law. For more info

[@kristiangurholt59]

⁠@@ohozo7292Yes, oled’s have persistence blur regardless of the fast response time, because each frame “persists” until the next one. Reducing the persistence time reduces the perceived blur.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Oled more like Garboled

[@GFClocked]

@@kerkertrandov459 oled is literally superior technology. You're an idiot

[@RafaPai84]

I find this porsue for motion blur reduction crazy and dumb. It doesn't improve performance in PvP games, and looks completely unrealistic, like you said. With motion blur OFF ALL you ser is multiple copys of the same object on screen of the same thing because of ouro yes, wich doesn't give where the enemy is precisely like with motion blur ON.

[@heh2k]

ULMB: reduces LCD blur (which is due to slow response) BFI: increases (perceived) OLED blur, to reduce perceived flicker (due to instant response)

[@unrealdevon]

I would be so damn happy if i could get rid of all my CRTs and just for god damn once have a modern display (preferably a big 65" tv) without that display blur. Im tired of maintaining and repairing these old crt monitors. Some day maybe not to far away we can finally get a modern screen that doesnt have this stupid display produced blur. Or they could produce a new modern crt and i would pay like 3-5k for one if its good enough. But we all have heard that will never happen..😞

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

I think if CRTs were to be reintroduced, the best way to do so would be in the form factor of a luggable. Think the Compaq Portable or the Commodore SX-64.

[@LeoDavidson]

I can't find any new monitor tech exciting because I know the industry moves so slowly that it'll be at least 10 years before we can actually buy a monitor that has it (excluding 1080p garbage or similar products that do it but also do NONE of the other features we want in monitors these days). We still have more or less zero good HDR monitor options if you also want 4K + VRR + High Refresh + desktop/productivity use (i.e. OLED is ruled out, as great as it is for pure TV and gaming). I don't want even more features I can't get when every monitor released is already obsolete the day it comes out, and already costs over a grand if you want more than one of the features I mentioned. Enough already. Let the industry catch up with the technology they announced 5 years ago before announcing even more stuff.

[@syeddanishanwer]

Another feature that we don't really need to inflate the pockets of these humbugs. I am glad I'm not into PC gaming as it is getting insane.

[@dan-fk4rv]

yeah i cant believe the companies that make displays are trying to improve them over time. its not like the lower end of the market has improved over the years as a result of regular improvements and innovations trickling down to cheaper displays.

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

On the contrary, I would love it if Sony started manufacturing multiscan FD Trinitrons again. Granted, the chances of that happening are 1 in a jillion, and they would likely start at a rather expensive price if they did, BUT that would convince me to finally buy a 486 PC to accompany the multiscan FD Trinitron.

[@kainlamond]

#30fps4Life

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

@@kainlamond The only 30fps games I have is Sonic Colors on Wii and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 for PS1.

[@Crashed131963]

Most gamers play on their 4k/60Hz TVs and now the next technology is coming out . Most have not caught up on the last two previous new technologies yet .😃

[@2Baddu4u]

No they don't

[@greattantrum523]

I still play on my 2015 model Hisense LED LCD 50 inch 4k/60hz display and have been very happy with it. I have been to the stores and seen the "new tech" displays including PC monitors and can say I am not "wowed" by it. Sure, maybe they do look a little better but overall they all look pretty much the same to me and I come home and feel my TV is doing pretty much what I am seeing at the stores. I guess I am lucky to not tell much of a difference and feel like I gotta spend huge money just to get that newfangled thing. And with big screens around anyways I rather get a nice 50 inch display for about the same cost as a tiny 27 inch monitor. Especially if I am not seeing the "benefits" of that small monitor. It makes them seem like a huge gimmick to me.

[@Crashed131963]

@@2Baddu4u Casual gamers vastly outnumber serious gamers . Casual gamers only change TVs if their old TV breaks .

[@2Baddu4u]

@@Crashed131963 Exactly my point. Most casual gamers are still on 1080p. On PC, at least. We are talking about g-sync, afterall

[@krisshietala2119]

I prefer freesync.

[@will891410]

I set my sharpness to 0 on my TV, it looks blurry and i cant see any tears so easily, that is a smart way if you have no FreeSync or Gsync.

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

Thats not how it really works, but if it works for you then good 💪

[@Tofuey]

Freesync and Gync have nothing to do with sharpness.

[@Acidity01]

Decreasing sharpness does not add motion blur. They are different things

[@uncleren]

Take it one step further and wear smudged glasses

[@will891410]

@@uncleren Great idea.

[@andrewog3516]

Bro that german guy needs to learn how to fucking breathe literally holds his breath everytime he has something to say shits been cracking me up watchung these videos lately i swear he gasps for air after almost everything he says😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂