Nvidia's GTX960 Kinda Sucks...

[@CharcharoExplorer]

I never liked the GTX 960. The GTX 760 was a pretty good product overall, and the 660 and 660 Ti were quite good too. So is te 1060 6GB mind you. However, the 960 2GB or even 4GB were IMHO pretty bad. Only slightly above 760 (at the time, they did age better) and generally inferior to the cheaper R9 380 or the slightly more expensive R9 380X which always defeated them. Discounted R9 290s also often were in contention with higher end 4GB 960s and curbstomp them no matter what. The R9 280s and 285s? Similar in performance and cheaper. I just do not understand how such a mediocre card like the 960 can sell so much. The second best seller for those years.

[@MirelRC]

I own a r9 380x and this GPU is still doing well. And to make things even better, I've moddified it's bios and OC'ed it to 1140 on core an 1540 on mem. I can play AC Valhalla with most settings on medium, and 2 or 3 settings on high at 900p and the fps is around 45-50. With the help of RIS 900p is more enjoyable.

[@mykhaylovarvarin9078]

Just look at the 1050ti and even 1650 non super, and start wondering, what the hell is wrong with all those people?

[@metroplexprime9901]

My best guess would be that a big youtuber recommended the 960 at some point because they got a really good deal on one, and so people took that and ran with it. Eventually, people forgot who gave the initial recommendation and the 960 just kept its high price because "that's just how high it has always been". Again, this is my best guess, I could be entirely wrong. Basically, I'm going off of the insane prices that can be found on some keyboards and switches in the vintage keyboard market because a major youtuber in the community recommended them.

[@typerightseesight]

i bought a "gaming" pc from dell not knowing anything about it. and found out it came with a gt730 and found out the computer was a glorified photo app viewer. lol. and for 750 bucks salvaged the cpu from it. WHAT A FUGGIN rip off. had to completely rebuild. I put a gtx960 in it for about 6 months but it was still a lot better but i decided to rebuild after that. ive put so much into my computer and its a gtx 960ssc. still lol

[@chillhour6155]

Similar story with people buying a 1050ti over a rx470

[@ikbenmathijs9424]

My card is now irrelevant enough for you to make a video about it. I really should upgrade...

[@AlistairBrugsch]

Same

[@craigtheduck]

1650 time

[@john-ek9gv]

@@craigtheduck hell no

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

My card is a 380 aka a 285, which this itself is a response to

[@youravggamer]

@@john-ek9gv A 1650 S wouldn't be bad tho

[@JanghanHong]

This is the last card with Windows XP driver, so there's that.

[@kingofdogs8132]

Wait really? Thats pretty darn interesting

[@ClassicTVZone]

And this is why i have one

[@aisle9]

Bingo. Exactly why I kept mine.

[@travisrhea7950]

R9 380 does as well

[@ae5668]

This is why i bought one too, with the fact the AMD cards seem to be dying from old age!

[@shinkuhs]

4:41 Master Chef Collection Lmao

[@BazT47]

That Lloyd Grossman. Corrr lol

[@GewelReal]

_includes Gordon Ramsay character_

[@elitespec-opsalan5984]

*prepares ingredients to cook*

[@lolcat]

Running joke

[@Badr-il3pg]

GORDAY R A M S A Y SWEATING IN THE DISTANCE

[@insertnamehere6523]

Man, used card prices seem to be getting higher and higher nowadays. Good thing I picked one of these up for $50 in late 2018!

[@kayrokk]

Miners again. Also pandemic pricing due to everyone being desperate for gaming products. That's why I'm keeping the $70 GTX 1050 Ti I bought a year ago.

[@RK-zf1jm]

Well currently anything pc/ gaming related is carrying a premium because demand globally is so high because practically every nation that has money has had been sat at home for 9 months and a lot of people have bought Pcs to pass the time. It is not going to normalise anytime soon either because in order to see prices reduce we need new stock to be readily avilable which it is not because the factories are full to capacitiy and whatever is made sells out see 3000 series card from Nvidia the 5000 series processors from AMD and the 6800 graphics cards from AMD. Basically expect nothing but cheap ssds for about another 18 months

[@Cyberdeamon]

It's why I am clinging on to my old Gigabyte Winforce gtx980, last time I saw one for sale about 3 months back people were bidding on one and it was up to like $450nzd x.x

[@mar0239]

Not really to me... you can pick these up for 30 bucks nowadays 😁

[@shaneeslick]

new prices have gone up due to lack of availability, people not allowed to go out due to lockdown, so more people buying used as there are no new GPUs putting the price up as they fight for them

[@NoobGyver]

I love this channel, it shows us a lot of unquie older technology, and how it preforms today. It shows us the areas of tech history between retro and brand new.

[@scellyyt]

Decent card destroyed by vram. 🙏 Cant forget the price either

[@jacobjones9071]

There was also a 4gb model that was a significant upgrade. Could even outperform the 970 in a good number of benchmarks

[@scellyyt]

@@jacobjones9071 am aware. It was a fair bit pricier though, wasn't it?

[@danielalejandromirandahigg624]

@@scellyyt 20 dollars more. 220 dollars

[@youravggamer]

@Cyro1 That's my idle lol. Damn fermi...

[@filippetrovic845]

@@jacobjones9071 Nooooo, wait ! Stop commenting as you have no idea about hardware. gtx 970 to gtx 960 was the biggest performance gap ever in nvidias line. Gtx 960 4gb has same performance as 2gb one and its far slower than gtx 970 like 35%.

[@casketman14]

I bought a 4gb one at my local goodwill for $20 because the lady had no idea what it was 🤣🤣

[@mikehall3976]

Who tf donated a 960 Edit: I got mine from my local thrift store for only $50 CAD in 2018.

[@andrewmtgx]

@@mikehall3976 I'm getting one for 100$AUD 2gb msi model

[@IKSH7]

@@andrewmtgx These cards are still very good. I don't but the seems to hate on it

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

that cooler is genuiely top tier with 4 heat pipes. Beautiful old beast

[@IgorFighter7]

This card got sold by its name... There was a huge gap between the 960 and 970. I am so happy that I did not wait for the 960 and went for a 970 back in 2014. I'm still using that card, it has aged very well.

[@shagstars]

had the 4gb model for the price of the 2gb model in release day, sold it 1 year later for the same money xD. Use a gtx 1070 now and don't feel like upgrading yet (its in a laptop).

[@PutYourQuarterUpGaming]

I don’t use it anymore. But it’s still my backup should this 6900 ever die…which I don’t think going to happen cos 6900 is similar bullet proof kinda gpu in my experience 😂

[@hardrivethrutown]

A colleague at work upgraded his PC recently and gave me his old 960, they had donated it to the office but the office didn't need it so I asked and they just let me have it, very nice of them :)

[@Knez011]

I bought an R9 290X for 60€ a few weeks ago, it's amazing, there is no better card for the money if you have an OK power supply.

[@adriyanatanasov3034]

bought rx 570 for 55$ cheap af and plays anything in 1080p

[@47RoninCS]

Used to run one with a Ryzen 5 2600, upgraded my GPU to RTX 2070 then quite recently bought a 2700x I didn't need to upgrade my GPU I just wanted to, ended up giving my R9 290x to my sister, anyway I couldn't agree more with ya, it'll still play pretty much any game on medium settings perhaps medium/high on some games. If you compare the performance to a RX 580 it pretty much puts up the exact same number for half the price.

[@Knez011]

@@47RoninCS yes! I actually bought an RX 590, it broke after a month and then got the 290X. 90% preformance for 1/3 of the price.

[@costi2596]

I bet that it doesnt work now.

[@Knez011]

@@costi2596 Believe it or not, the card works without any issues. I've changed the thermal paste and it doesn't go over 70 C° now which is really good for that model. What sucks is that AMD discontinued the drivers, but I haven't had any problems with new games and I saw a Linus vid about third party AMD drivers which I'll try when I have the time.

[@makaylaserniotti1474]

I had one of these for about four years. Carefully optimizing games around it worked, but it was a pain in the ass. I gave it to my gf who mostly plays indie games. I bought a RTX 2060 Super and it has been a vastly superior experience.

[@makaylaserniotti1474]

@@Selfundum2424 yeah, looking back I wish I had spent a little extra on a 970. Oh well, you live and you learn.

[@androidforfree212]

You talking shit dude.

[@FreebirdKitkat]

The performance of 2060 super desktop is similar to that of laptop 3060

[@Vivi-tz2rl]

The 4 GB one held up pretty well until last year or so, but I wouldn't touch a 2 GB with any sense of seriousness

[@ThunderingRoar]

same with 3gb 1060, and then theres people saying how new amd cards with 12 and 16gb vram are just for marketing

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

@@randomguydoes2901 uh you mistakened the GTX 970 for the 960. It's the 970 with the falsely advertised amount of 4GB when it's really 3.5GB

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

@@ThunderingRoar well by that logic the 3090 is a joke for having 24GB

[@zaf2774]

I would touch a 2GB card, 4GB is high end for me

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

@@zaf2774 4GB is low end sorry

[@Its_Soph_ie]

Awesome video! The 960 was actually my first gpu ever. I got the 4gb skew because I was stupid and saw that it was 20 bucks less than a 970 for the same amount of VRAM. Didn't know anything about Cuda cores or the sort back then. I remember selling it after getting a 2070 for 150$ about 2 years ago, which was crazy as I didn't pay much more than that to get it. These things really should be selling for a lot less than they do.

[@Glinckey]

One of the reasons a lot of people buy this card because a lot of people are doing high-end Windows XP builds since the last officially supported GPU from Nvidia in XP is the GTX 960

[@jeffie8696]

I find the RX470 4G a much better card myself, I recently bought an R9-390 for only $80 and was impressed with it, just sold it yesterday in a cheap gaming rig for a handy profit

[@TheSpotify95]

Wow... just wow. My GPU in my tower PC is a GTX 960 (the Zotac version, and yes, 2GB VRAM) and it holds up to what I need it to. But if what you're saying is true, then it's far too expensive :(

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

So sell it and get a faster card for the money. Or just keep it, especially when it does everything sufficiently that it has to do.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

Luckily I have the 4 GB variant.

[@6fr]

Could you do a review of the Radeon HD 7970? It's one of the aging beasts imo, still good in 2020

[@dylc413]

I remember my Gigabyte 7970 i5 2500 combo, seriously good, especially considering I paid less than €100 for it at the time Changed to a 1050Ti after that

[@talvisota327]

there even was a 6gb variant of the hd7970... i wonder if it makes any difference in modern games compared to the 3gb version

[@mardin5760]

@@talvisota327 prob

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Oh, the 7970 was quite the kicker and might do better than nvidias 600/700 series cards because of the bigger VRAM. Also they aged quite well with all that AMD FineWine. I can imagine games up to about 2016/17 should be able to be maxed out. From testing games like Doom 2016, Witcher 3, Destiny 2 or GTA V on a GTX 660 Ti and extrapolating the HD 7970 I assume it will do fine in todays "esports games" and maybe some more demanding stuff as well.

[@crash6442]

The refresh r9 280x has a similar used price with the hd 7970 and does pretty well with running games, Doom 2016 runs at 1440p on med-high surprisingly well due to Vulkan

[@Ranimetion]

Looking back... £70 for these cards, sound like a real bargain compared to now going for over €100 for the 2GB en over €150 for the 4GB on Ebay....

[@WellBeSerious12]

Strange I didn't find Gordon in the Master Chef Collection.

[@shaneeslick]

He told them to 'F... off' 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@baltrusambr5784]

Sorry for mindding you but I need help. I have i7 4790k, gtx 970, 16gb ddr3, 700w psu. I want to buy a used gpu upgrade for 400 euro or less what sould I buy ? PLease help.

[@tokiffer6649]

Well imagine using a 560 Ti in 2020, that's exactly what I am doing...

[@keyven6959]

Bro I use a 1050 😢

[@RK-zf1jm]

@@keyven6959 which is way more powerful than the 560 ti and is actually faster than the old budget go to standby of the 750 ti so again depends on what your version of playable is. I mean do you have to play at 1080p go down to 900p or 720p if you have too your still playing the same game as someone who has a 3000 series rtx card its just you dont have as much eye candy to look at does not change gameplay or the story of the game.

[@psychosis1767]

Did you get a Ebay scam card for 30 bucks?

[@zackaboy1236]

I use a 650 2gb but it still runs forza, destiny 2 and metro above 60fps on high settings...

[@zackaboy1236]

@@psychosis1767 obviously they didn't

[@gamingthunder6305]

a few months ago the card was in the 30 dollar range and now it shoot up to the 60 to 80 dollar. for 30 dollars this card is a steal but 80 dollar? the entire used tech market is super inflated and and there is hardly anything worth buying right now.

[@ravenironwing]

And now it sells for over $150. 😂

[@DyoKasparov]

I got a GTX950 After staying on UHD630 for half a year trying to get a 3060Ti I got this second hand GPU and it has been a life changer for me lol You did talk about price, but at where I live at it was actually one of the best options, costing about as much as a GT1030 at around 75EUR lolol. thanks to current events

[@joannaatkins822]

I bought one of these for a small price very recently, and I too was shocked at the 4GB vram premium. These aren't amazing cards, but they're good enough, and I couldn't find an HD 7970 for a good price. I'm building a cheap system to get rid of some old parts to make some christmas money, and my 2GB GTX 960 blower style was the best performance for the money (I know, cards are getting rare now) but honestly it's not all that.

[@Trainguyrom]

When I built my PC back in ~2016 or so I remember looking at the available options and opting for the 970. Even at the time the 960 just wasn't very compelling. I remember seeing builds with similar budgets to mine with 960s and just being shocked because it was not a fantastic card. The 970 is now ~$50 on ebay in the US, and the 970 is still very strong for 1080p gaming, running everything I throw at it at med/high settings without breaking a sweat. On the other hand the "really fancy new" games I've been playing keep surprising me when I see they were released between 5-10 years ago, so I suppose I'm just getting old

[@codykamminga9667]

I have the GTX 960 4GB, it's not a 1080ti, but i can play everything i need to play. I have bought one new and still have it and still use it. without any problems for almost 4 years now.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

How funny. I got rid of my gtx 960 (2gb) and replaced it with a gtx 1080ti. The gtx 960 was dreadful. I remember playing Overwatch and seeing the fps drop. It was awful. Some how in the menus was like 45 fps... like, how can it be that the fps in the menus were worst than in the game itself?!

[@TechOrigami]

What most reviewers don't realize that not everyone is looking to play latest AAA games at ultra. Some people just like to play simpler games. Or, more optimized, non-ubisoft, games.

[@codykamminga9667]

@@josejuanandrade4439 I hear a lot of things about the 2 GB version, not much about the 4 GB version. All the games I play, from GTA SA to Forza Horizon 4 and Euro Truck Sim 2 to BeamNG drive, it’s always playable, most on medium-high settings

[@codykamminga9667]

@@TechOrigami yep, love smaller devs who still listen to what the community wants instead of milking a game for all its worth. *cough *cough Rockstar *cough

[@josejuanandrade4439]

@@codykamminga9667 The reazon why not many people ever talks about the 4gb version is simply because very few people bought it. Most people got the 2gb version cuz it was cheaper. The 4gb version was way too expensive for what it was, and noone would ever grab that instead of a 970. That's why i got the 2gb version. The 4gb was nearly the price of a 970 here.

[@KingGeo3]

I bought one of these when they first came out replacing a dual 6770 crossfire setup. It was a pretty decent upgrade on my AMD FX system for about 2 years. Then it almost instantly began to show its age when I replaced it with an RX580. It let me use that Piledriver system until my first Ryzen build back in early 2018.

[@swag-cc4uc]

As you once said ages ago, never a bad product, only a bad price

[@baltrusambr5784]

Sorry for mindding you but I need help. I have i7 4790k, gtx 970, 16gb ddr3, 700w psu. I want to buy a used gpu upgrade for 400 euro or less what sould I buy ? PLease help.

[@dikbozo]

you have made yourself crystal clear. as to this card. you have also made yourself clear about the R9 285. I thing I will start looking for an R9 285 just because.

[@QW3N]

4gb version is good at least for the games I play

[@no1DdC]

It can even do VR at low to medium settings (except for the very latest titles).

[@EURIPODES]

I remember when all the self appointed expert reviewers on KZbin said that the 4gb variant was a waste because you don't need that much vram. Lol look where we're at now. I have the gigabyte g1 gaming 4gb and it oc's like a champ. If I didn't upgrade my monitor to 1440p I'd probably still be using it.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

Lol back then people said 512MB was a waste and that 256MB was more than enough. Or how back then people said 8GB was more than enough for 4K but now even 12GB is barely enough for some new games

[@neutrida5091]

Heck in my country they want literally 150€ for a gtx 950. Like wth are they thinking??

[@b.henriques9871]

thiefs

[@nazimdz2457]

I searched for a minute and found that it costs 182 dollars new and 128 dollars for the cheapest used one. My country: Algeria PC hardware is so overpriced here );

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

In my country its 40 euros

[@moistbrain9297]

It would've been nice to see comparative benchmarks for the r9 285 so you could really see how much better it stacked up

[@EdgyShooter]

Ah, a shout-out for the 285! Still in my system to this day 🙂

[@welshgoldferret5107]

Sweet! I still have my XFX-285-GTX Boxed but not forgotten, That with the E8400 and then QX9650 hammered Crysis at the time ;)

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

I think AMD was gonna release R9 285X but never did

[@zipzeolocke2]

I had the MSI GTX 960 4 gigabytes model and I was still left wanting more performance… It always bugged me that my lowest FPS was always below 60. My goal was always to have my least FPS above 60 in every game I play so that I can limit the FPS to that number and have a smooth experience. When Pascal came out, I upgraded to the GTX 1080 and I'm still using that to this day. I predict I will continue to be using it for quite a while yet, considering it can play on my 1440p monitor and stay well above 60 FPS in max settings on most games. I'm happy for now

[@eightyd2554]

I wanted to get one of these because they support win xp, but that average sale price stopped me

[@toddfraser7009]

just get a GTX 970 and just hack the .inf file it'll work

[@RK-zf1jm]

CEX were selling the 2gb version here in the uk as of last week for 60 pounds

[@ae5668]

@@RK-zf1jm most things from cex are broken!

[@shaneeslick]

have a look at prices for GTX770/780/780Ti, they all out perform the GTX960 & are XP compatible with drivers on nVIDIAs website

[@eightyd2554]

that is too much for such a weak card with 2gb of memory. R9 290 or rx x70 polaris can be had for that

[@exxor9108]

Forgive you for the nitpicking? You need to look at a 4GB model version of the graphics card.

[@johnathanpearson3203]

Keep the card and use a CRT at 1280x1024 and have a great picture and a locked 75fps. I got 85fps locked on the Witcher 3 at 1280x1024 great picture with a CRT and 980ti hybrid. Quiet and great looking graphics. Happy.👍

[@CaveyMoth]

I'd use it to play The Sims at 1024x768.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

That is an absolute garbage resolution. I used to play games at 1366x768 with iGP and although I could upscale to 1920x1080 with VSR only like very old games I could run at that resolution. Most games I had to play at native or go up to 1600x900 at most. And I couldn't enable anti aliasing or max out demanding stuff like shaders. But that's all in the past

[@johnathanpearson3203]

@@youtubeshadowbannedme did you ever experience CRT? Lower resolution on a CRT is not the same as LCD or oled. It's clearer and smoother and you don't need variable rate anything. You can max out the settings also. CRT. The technology we were cheated out of. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@cocusar]

I have one of the msi 4gb variants of this. I bought it in 2015, it was almost half the price of the 970 in my country. I got good performance out of it, but it's true that it's starting to become a bad card for overall any games on 2020. Good memories tho, and nice video.

[@Rossy167]

I got one of these for £40, feel like that was a very good deal.

[@yourneighbourhooddoomer]

My first ever gaming desktop was a Medion prebuild with a i7-4790 non-K and a GTX 960 2GB. I swapped it out for a GTX 970 Mini from Gigabyte not even three months after but this PC kinda lives on as my dad's gaming rig, the GTX 960 is still very much alive (surprising for the cheapest OEM design I've ever seen) but the i7 got downgraded to a i3-4170 because I bought and flipped a ton of parts back then and it was the only CPU left I got for LGA1150. I'm kinda surprised to see how well it still runs Wolfenstein, Fallout 4, Sniper GW 3 and GW Contracts.

[@JxTechy]

I had this ASUS variant of the GTX 960 in my old PC but it was the 4GB version of the card. As you say the performance of the card isn't too bad. I brought my GTX 960 around 2 years ago now and it was £80 then, so it really shows that the price has frozen. I even did a review on this card before I sold my PC and as you say its okay for 1080p but its not brilliant definitely for the price it costs today. In my old PC I originally had a GTX 760 4gb and it broke after 6 months, luckily I brought it from cex so I got the voucher back, and I decided to go for the GTX 960 4GB. There was not a noticeable difference between them in games IMHO, so you are right. Anyway sorry for the little rant great video once again.

[@SummonerArthur]

Interesting... I used to think that this pricing issue for the gtx 960 was exclusive to my country... Thank you for explaining that.

[@baltrusambr5784]

Sorry for mindding you but I need help. I have i7 4790k, gtx 970, 16gb ddr3, 700w psu. I want to buy a used gpu upgrade for 400 euro or less what sould I buy ? PLease help.

[@shapedokkan]

I will never see the words master chief without thinking of master chef ever xd

[@sandrocarletto9386]

Could you in the future maybe take a look at the r9 390 and all its refreshes it seems interesting and it's also quite cheap compared to used 400-500 series cards which have skyrocketed in price recently

[@modermonkula]

Seeing that tea made me want a tea now.

[@shaneeslick]

happens to me for all the UK Tech channels I watch 🥰☕

[@modermonkula]

Normally i have one ready before watching

[@killersevenseconds]

I remember I got this same card for my brothers mini itx build when the card was new. Out of the box the HDMI port didn't work. The HDMI port pins were not soldered to the board. I always have bad luck with MSI.

[@jeantechnoir7702]

Awesome job KZbin, I get the notification after Im actually watching the video.

[@baltrusambr5784]

Sorry for mindding you but I need help. I have i7 4790k, gtx 970, 16gb ddr3, 700w psu. I want to buy a used gpu upgrade for 400 euro or less what sould I buy ? PLease help.

[@jeantechnoir7702]

@@baltrusambr5784 Well idk about europe market, but the best advice I can give to you is wait till next year probably march when stock gets better and buy an RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti thats the best I would couple with that config if you want to play 1080p or even 1440p with decent framerate and smoothness.

[@cgtang]

I just built a new rig about a month ago but still using zotac gtx960 from my first rig since 2016. just a casual gamer and mostly used my rig for graphic design/editing/digital painting. the only thing that really irritates me is the driver for linux of this card is weird. the sound didn't come out from the display port or even hdmi quite often. had to restart and it came back.

[@TheRealNeoFrancois]

Bought a 980 for 150 usd,its been doing really good especially since I upgraded from a Rx 550

[@Josue31627]

Nowadays in the states, it (the 2GB version) costs about ~$95 compared to the GTX 970 which is about ~$130 or the ~$140 of the RX 470 in the markets I frequent. Compare this to the ~$65 GTX 660 and ~$75 GTX 760. Similar prices with the HD 7870 or R9 270. It's currently one of the best used GPUs to buy on a strict $100 or less budget I suppose. Not the best price-to-performance, but still fairly solid. It wasn't that good of a buy back then though, considering how much better the GTX 970 performed despite the infamous "3.5 GB" of VRAM.

[@breadboi9115]

"Master Chef Collection" lol

[@carlosmarrasca]

Had one exactly like this, Asus Strix, and was a huge improvment over my gtx 560Ti. I liked the design a lot, and it was very quiet, small and low comsuption. Served me well for many years, but after some time, the 2gb started to became a bottleneck. Then I sold it to my cousin and bought a RX580. After a couple more years my cousin bought a 1660, selling the Strix for MORE THAN HE HAD paid me. I l still like them, and they still good for games like CSGO.

[@doktorparadox1791]

Better to find RX570 way better.

[@hinkhall1186]

I remember late 2015 I was building my first PC. I was not as tech savvy as I am today, so I was basically going in with only 2 weeks of youtube videos and google reviews. So glad I went with my gut and went with the cheaper Amd R9 380. I could still use it today as I only have a 75hz monitor (got a super cheap rx 570 now, and gonna upgrade both soon) and still runs like a little champ.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

Yeah the RX 570 is a very good budget GPU

[@Adriann30]

Watching this on the 4gb version. Still caries it's weight but I think it's time for a replacement :) Also it only has 1 HDMI port and for multiple monitors you either have to buy Monitors with display ports or to get like i did an HDMI to Display port adapter.

[@KomradeMikhail]

It pulls a premium on the used market because it is the last GeForce card with official Win XP drivers. You _can_ get a 970, 980, 980ti, or even a Titan X (Maxwell) working on XP, but requires hacking the drivers with some text edits... And is usually not worth it, as the 960 with only 2GB VRAM slays any XP game anyway. The XP Retrogamer premium price is similarly related to inflated prices on the Low-Profile versions GTX 750 and 750ti... They were the last low profile cards XP supported, if your retro rig is a slimline.

[@itaintsabo94]

I have a gtx 960 4gb and it's still good

[@b.henriques9871]

yep

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

It's a shame it costs GTX970 money for them though

[@b.henriques9871]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial that's subjective on the countries market. I've seen them as low as 60€ and 970 usually go for 100€ minimum in Portugal

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

@@b.henriques9871 At that stage (as said in the video) you can usually import an RX470/480 for that kind of money from China. Which I aim to do in a future video.

[@ThebestLilMissRarity2]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial this is why I bought 970. 6 years and well, It's still doing great job in new titles in 1080p 60fps. I was able to achieve nice overclock without playing with voltage. I think first thing to kill it's performance will be vram limitation or lack of drivers support.

[@DankNoodles420]

I bought a used miners EVGA GTX 1080 ti ftw3 hybrid 11gb still in warranty off of ebay and this by far is the best performing gpu i have seen with specs like this. It rarely gets over 60c under full load and i havent got close to maxing the vram out on it. It runs everything (other than RDR2) at max settings. You should do a video on that card. I believe the only superior 1080ti card out there is the EVGA 1080 ti hydrocopper. Which is pretty rare.

[@doktorparadox1791]

960 4GB still handles...

[@QW3N]

Yep got mine for £80 which was the cheapest I could find

[@SolidSonicTH]

I have a 960 plugged into a dedicated Windows 8.1 machine in my office. I’ve been meaning to throw a game or two at it (I had it as a holdover card until I installed 1070 the next year but I don’t recall doing a ton of gaming in that time).

[@mikkomatilainen5602]

Pricy card in uk.. about 50€ in scandinavia.

[@b.henriques9871]

same in Portugal

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Not too shabby for that kind of price. But when an RX470 can be imported for 30€ more you have to weigh up whether its worth spending a small bit extra.

[@b.henriques9871]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial imported for 30€?LMAO where? U definitely talking about them fake gpus from China.

[@WayStedYou]

@@b.henriques9871 30 euro more aka 30+50

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

A Saphire model ordered from China. which ive ordered for lower than average GTX960 Pricing. Hardly a fake card, and well worth it once I can get a video on it made. I know which cards are fake, and usually go about getting those listings taken down. I also said "30€ more" meaning it costs about €80 for one.

[@meh78336]

I think one of the reasons for the prices these still go for is XP support as it is the most modern officially supported Nvidia card making it pretty much plug and play for XP retro gaming. I picked up a Gigabyte 4GB OC version a couple of years back for £50 after my HD 7970 GHZ (R9 280X) edition got a coffee bath, before I got my old 980 ti back for my XP PC and its now in my arcade machine (which it runs fine as its only running a 1024x768 as thats all my arcade crt will display at). It was ok, but cost way more and performs only a bit faster than a 750ti and cost a little less or the same as a 970 which performed much better.

[@pax124]

970 oc is a really good. One

[@outtheredude]

Currently got dual 4GB EVGA GTX 960 SSCs in SLI, paired with a 4790K. Still performs quite well even today, plus the pair of cards, with the EVGA V2 SLI long bridge, at least looks pretty cool in my case. Back around 2015-2016, price-wise, it was either a 2GB one, without a backplate, plus the cost and P&P of an additional backplate, or a 4GB one, with a backplate included, to have a "free" extra 2GB of memory over the 2GB sans backplate + additional backplate one. Also, the GM-206 core was the first from nVidia to support HDCP 2.2 & H.265 hardware encode & decode, when the higher end ones, like the 970, 980, 980 Ti & Titan X, didn't. Of course, this was before Pascal arrived and SLI for mid-range cards, as well as in general, dropped dead shortly afterwards.

[@taza99]

Thanks for including the BeamNG benchmarks, as it's the game I'm most familiar with...

[@w19ely85]

I knew what this card was as soon as you posted the pictures, even down to the make and model. The 2gb card is completely throttled by the lack of memory, the 4gb version holds up so much better these days.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

But the 4GB variant isn't any better except for more VRAM so the 960 will still struggle in newer games regardless

[@Yamoyashi]

I got it for $96 which I thought was a scam until it arrived. Been using it for half a year now without any issues. Its a major upgrade from the GT 640 that Ive been using.

[@oliversanson6207]

Anyone else watching this on a 960? :( 4Gb Windforce for me, i'll be the first to admit its not really holding up well; warzone was definitely the straw that broke the camels back with regards to needing to upgrade. Thinking of going for a 5600XT. Great video regardless, keep up the good content.

[@DemonStink]

This is around £65-£95 on CEX currently. Got myself an RX470 4GB there a couple months back instead for £80. Vastly superior performance and the one I received was a Sapphire Nitro in mint condition, well chuffed.

[@hl356]

Not gonna lie, i upgraded from my g1 gaming 960 (4gb) to a 1070ti a few weeks ago, and kind of just instantly wrote off your video because I played RDR2 at 40-50 fps with a lowered resolution scale, and can't for the life of me understand why you'd go for the 2 gig model when reviewing this card in 2020. I can't imagine anyone buying the 2 gig model today honestly and because of that hard vram cap your not even able to show the card's full potential in today's games, however limited it is. Still, you're game choice made sense and the prices are the same here in Croatia, about 50-60£ (it's a really easy conversion from kunas, just 10x more) which is too much, i wouldn't go over about 50€ when buying this card today.

[@mahootissherlockis2055]

In australia they are a decent price on the facebook marketplace, around AUD 70. 970s are about 100-110, and 980s around 150. It's all quite orderly here

[@DraftySatyr]

Sat here watching the garden shots of the card propped up on a fountain/font thinking "What's that smoke drifting up behind the card?" Camera drifts round to show a steaming mug of tea! Well, it would do, wouldn't it? 😂😂

[@j7ndominica051]

Excellent video adapter for Windows XP. It has a VGA port. Might have some ghosting on it though. It annoying to have 4 ports but no VGA when you need a temporary monitor. Only one six-pin which most power supplies have. Now the GTX 960 can be had inexpensively.

[@welshgoldferret5107]

Well I've just built a new system, i5 10600kf which replaced my QX9650 but finding an up to date RTX is impossible at the moment, I just picked up a GTX960 just to replace the GTX660-Ti Which still plays my games happily, Borderlands 3 on mid settings I'm getting 45-56 fps @ 1080p so when the 960 turns up it'll be interesting to see the improvements...

[@AlistairBrugsch]

I picked up this exact card around feb time as it was the only card i could get for vaguely sensible money that had a decent NvEnc and could play SOME decent games (only wanted it for elite dangerous so the bar wasn't exactly high!) The mining tax was crazy at the start of the year and this kept coming in at reasonable money... Can't believe how much it's shot up by...

[@mythologicalz]

Solid video with valid points all around, prices are dumb for them even out here. Strix maxwell coolers are great though

[@felipedimas3551]

3:48 did he just turned around when swinging that pole in a horse?

[@alexandercolumbus9185]

Not sure what's up with pricing, but about two years ago I bought one (2gb) brand new in box, complete with plastic wrap, and last year i had a friend buy a 4gb one for 45$ for his budget build

[@TheMitchBarron]

I had this card for ages and ages. I loved it, but longed for a asus gtx 1080 ti since they released. Thanks to Ampere release i was able to pick up my dream card this past week for $200. Firing it up for the first time I was, needless to say, Blown away! The 960 will forever be in my collection and hold a great place in my heart! Great card! Great Video!

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

You should've gotten a RTX 2080-Ti instead lol

[@K9_kfg]

BudgetBuilds out there doing his best, understanding the budget

[@baltrusambr5784]

Sorry for mindding you but I need help. I have i7 4790k, gtx 970, 16gb ddr3, 700w psu. I want to buy a used gpu upgrade for 400 euro or less what sould I buy ? PLease help.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

Which is better, the GTX 960 or the GT 1030? Or maybe the 1050 vs RX 550 vs GTX 960 since, at least in my experience, the previous generation's 60 cards always out performed the next generation's non-Ti 50 series. The RX 550 just to include a cheap AMD option for comparison. Also since these three also have both their 2GB and 4GB counterparts

[@JohnSmith-nj9qo]

Weirdly enough I was in a similar position. I wanted to upgrade from my 660ti, which back in 2015/2016 was starting to show it's age with the whole 2gb of vram thing. I initially bought the 4 gig 960 without giving the AMD alternative much thought because I didn't really know much about them at the time. When the 960 arrived, it was DOA, which meant I had to send it back and find a replacement card. I was feeling a little anti Nvidia at the moment, so I opted for the r9 380, which was apparently just an r9 285 but with 4 gb of vram instead of just two. It did well for a couple years until I upgraded to the 1060.

[@mojibaked6661]

I think this card has always been "overpriced" relative to its performance because its low power consumption made it suitable for converting ultra cheap Sandy Bridge+ prebuilts into budget gaming PCs, whereas AMD cards such as the 285 and especially 290 need a stronger PSU than is usually found in those. Also at CeX (at least in Spain) AMD Polaris cards have been really hard to find since Ethash mining became somewhat profitable again, which makes the 960 look a bit more compelling for 80€. 4GB variants however are dangerously close to a GTX 1650 Super which is on a completely different level and a price/performance/efficiency beast. I hope to see the 1650S on your channel someday!

[@AshenTechDotCom]

sent 2 EVGA 960's to a buddy with some parts to build a rig months ago.. hes still waiting on a case.. (sent him a 9370, crosshair v-z, dual 960's seemed like it should be able to run the games we would play togather well enough on his 1440p monitor(his APU system died and at the time nothing was worth buying and now, hes waiting for the supply issues to be sorted on all new stuff either way so... SLI works amazingly well these days....

[@kuritsu5206]

Could you possibly take a look into the R9 290X or any of the R9 cards tbh. They sell for cheap on eBay and seem to be decent for the price

[@israelberrios2050]

I'm actually using a 970 with the same design and when I bought it (second hand) it was too hot and loud, just some cleaning and thermal compound change it works almost inaudible. Something to watch out for

[@devo5255]

Can You try Running Dayz On these Older Hardware?

[@assadissa2]

Got the exact same card 5 years ago for 140 euros, it made me play everything I ever wanted and I'm still amazed, i recently finished mafia 1 remake at high settings no problem

[@robert6106]

I have been using the 960 since it was released, was hoping to replace in but 2020 happened. What I really liked about the GTX 960 was the low power usage and it has never caused be any issue other than being too slow for more modern games. Will be holding onto it for an old XP system to run some of my older games.

[@FireJamUSA]

I picked up a 4GB version for $80 / ~£60. I have to disable Ambient Occlusion then run a mix of High, medium and low settings but I can get most games to run at 60 FPS on it paired with a i7-990x. I do admit though, it's like a puzzle trying to find the right combination of settings to get that magical 60 fps number. I bought it about 3 months ago and it was the best deal going at that time. Would have preferred a 970 or a 1060, but those were just out of reach for me price-wise at the time. Thanks for sharing the video, it makes me very happy that I didn't settle for a 2GB version of the card...

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

If that's 1st Gen i7 and not 9th Gen as I'm assuming then you're getting a HUGE bottleneck with that CPU. Upgrade to at least Core i3 11100F or Ryzen 3 4300G, both of which are way faster than the i7 7700K and R7 1800X

[@thehobnob]

I got one of these to replace a 1GB ATI HD4650 when they were first released, and at the time I was blown away by the performance jump over that card. I'm glad it still handles modern titles well, as given the stock issues with RTX 3000 cards it looks like I'll be using it for the next few years 😂

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

I used to have a crappy Radeon R5 iGP before upgrading to a GTX 1050 3GB so I know how it feels to go from barely able to play anything to suddenly able to play almost everything at high to ultra settings

[@fnglert]

Upgraded from my 960 two years ago to a 1660. Now looking at the new 3060ti. My 960 was this exact same model, too.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

I still have a 4GB 960 that I'd since replaced the stock cooling, for the scavenged two-fan cooler off of a GTX 460; amazingly, the mounting holes lined up to allow it. Saw a DRASTIC drop in core temp(s) with the swap from the blower cooler it used to have. Also ended up with a 2gb FTW 960 that I've wanted to use for a Windows xp build, since it'd be the newest (officially supported) GPU under the nvidia drivers for the OS. They're definitely good in the right use case, but I still can't believe those prices.

[@Tobias.PK420]

I had one of these , never regretted getting a gtx 970 vram with double the vram

[@gamestech9016]

November 2021 here, i just bought the cheapest available 960 i could in uk for £90.. 960 2gb mini. its 2 days late overdue delivery to add insult to injury

[@Ty4ons]

The 950 is too close in performance and usually much cheaper in the used marked. The issue with the 960 is with the small 128bit bus and diminutive core it was never a true X60 card and more of a X50 ti class card relative to the 970 and 980. It was probably marketed such because AMD were so far behind back then still selling rebranded 2011 cards (7970-280X). On pretty much all of the PCBs for the 950 and 960 you can see space for extra memory confirming that a 192bit 3GB card presumably using a cut down GM204 was planned, but never released. Techpowerup reports an OEM variant with those specs, but I’ve never found it in the wild.

[@shurikencookies]

I really loved my MSI 960 2Gb definitely don't recommend it now but it was great back on release for the first time PC builder I was. I could overclock it beyond what I expected and it ran everything I wanted to play without many if any problems, I upgraded last year as I knew it was reaching it's retirement age for what I wanted but I loved every moment, I'm glad I didn't sell it for £40 last year, though I probably wont now either. I just use my old PC as a media hub for my living room, rest well 960 2Gb.

[@catriona_drummond]

The 4 GB RAM version of the 960 still cuts it for 1080p. The 2 GB version does struggle indeed. The prices are insane indeed though. I used to pick them up for around 65 pounds last year but for some weird reason they got more expensive again. maybe it has to do with mining?

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

Yeah but only at low settings for new games