Engines of Metro North EMD GP40PH-2 and GP40FH-2

Engines of Metro North EMD GP40PH 2 and GP40FH 2
In this video, we discuss the history of the EMD GP40PH and GP40PH-2 both of which have a long and connected history which is why I chose to do them together. We start off in the 1960s with the Central Railroad of New Jersey (CRJ) which acquired GP40P locomotives from the new jersey department of transportation (njdot) to support their commuter service. These units were then passed on to Conrail and eventually new jersey transit where they would be fitted with head-end power and be re designated as gp40ph locomotives. Then Morison Knudsen in Boise Idaho rebuilt old freight EMD GP40's into GP40FH-2 locomotives for new jersey transit. Then Morison Nudsen rebuilt the original CNJ gp40ph locomotives into gp40ph-2 locomotives. Then Morrison Knudsen rebuilt more freight gp40's into gp40ph-2a locomotives but then the company went bankrupt. But Conrail rebuilt more freight gp40's for new jersey transit as gp40ph-2b locomotives. That brings us to 2020 where some GP40's are being taken out of service and put into nonrevenue service but only time will tell what will really happen.

[@thealmightydoge5653]

Its 9/11, guys. Let us pray for the 3000+ lives weve lost. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Never Forget the 102 minutes that changed America.

[@nyrailfan202]

🙏

[@vDARKICEv]

I love even today seeing the Geeps on NJT in the push pull configuration with the cab cars and double decker cab cars. The full with cowl body design on a Geep is an oddity as it looks like any other normal Geep from the front but a has the bodywork of a F40PH. Cowl body’s have their ups and downs as its easier to do interior maintenance on the engine. But if you’re trying to run long hood forward it’s nearly impossible without a spotter. Aesthetically speaking the cowl body is reminiscent of the streamline days. Canadian railroads find cowl bodies handy to accommodate crew during the harsh winter weather.

[@tom-and-mom]

11:05 1448

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6:44 During this time the CRNJ lettering was dropped, and the locomotives started to be painted into the New Jersey Transit disco stripe paint scheme.

[@drguppy7861]

These trains are made of such very shiny metal! This was very good trains in my opinion.

[@nyrailfan202]

Bot

[@drguppy7861]

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[@orangefan200]

Nice

[@nyrailfan202]

Thank you

[@XanderWG]

Has anyone else heard the rumour that some of these locomotives will be sold to GO Transit to allow for service expansion before GO’s EMUs arrive?

[@tom-and-mom]

8:27 8:30 The EMD E8s were retired in 1987, as the F7s follow them to being retired in 1988.

[@lmsrail]

Awesome video! I live on the NJT lines so I see these almost everyday! It’s great to see the history behind them!

[@nyrailfan202]

Thanks

[@tom-and-mom]

11:50 U34CHs

[@tom-and-mom]

8:03 8:04 3000 horsepower, original, EMD 645 E3 prime mover

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11:58 alstem

[@tom-and-mom]

12:31 ALP-45DP

[@marcleslac2413]

I remember when the gp40fh-2s lent a helping hand in montreal.

[@holdenleeb2312]

Great job!

[@nyrailfan202]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@thesealsharkproductions9780]

Finally The Cowl Unit with Standard Cab

[@Maunico0809]

My favorite loco is the GP40FH-2

[@Pensyfan19]

Great episode! I made similar episodes a while ago about ex NYC GP40s on NJT'S roster, as well as NJT 4109. I didn't know that info about the MPI switchers being rebuilt.

[@nyrailfan202]

That’s fine the more videos the better

[@Pensyfan19]

@@nyrailfan202 Thanks. Keep up the great series!

[@nyrailfan202]

You too

[@mile290productions3]

I love the GP40FH

[@nyrailfan202]

Me too

[@thomasnativo6491]

I've seen the GP40PFH-2BS from NJT and Metro North same as GP40PH-2S by NJT and Metro North but seems to be around by the Pascack Valley line Erie Main line and Bergen County line Booton line Gladstone Line Rartain Valley there everywhere in New Jersey

[@mile290productions3]

@@thomasnativo6491 o.O O.o

[@jamesnichols2188]

My dad work with both engineers that were in that wreck love the video I went pass that wreck when I work on the railroad was pretty bad

[@nyrailfan202]

It’s never good when trains crash

[@tom-and-mom]

7:57 At the rear of the locomotive

[@wcrails]

Man these episodes are really detailed with all the info. Although I kinda wish the Charger locomotives also replace the Genesis locomotives on Hudson service because I’ve never seen a Charger in person.

[@nyrailfan202]

Glad you enjoyed it. The Genesis are in need of replacement

[@tom-and-mom]

8:10 the locomotives

[@tom-and-mom]

11:21

[@tom-and-mom]

11:50 U34CH 'Uooch'

[@tom-and-mom]

12:42 made its official

[@lovebugbabydoll2312]

Great!

[@tom-and-mom]

4:06 Designated as the GP40P-2

[@wallcderand6774]

We moved to Somerville in 54 from the Bronx. I remember boundbrook and Somerville station and the old trains. Later used to ride pennsey from New Brunswick to Penn and than d train to the bronx

[@emdaem-771]

Very nice.

[@nyrailfan202]

Thank you

[@emdaem-771]

Your welcome.

[@davidng2336]

Metro North is thankfully still using both their fleet of GP40PH-2Ms and lone GP40PH-2M as we speak. NJT is also still using three GP40PH-2s and several GP40PH-2Bs. The NJT Geeps were supposed to be replaced by the ALP-45DP but they are instead being rebuilt due to the PL42AC's earlier-than-expected retirement, though not all PL42ACs will be replaced.

[@nyrailfan202]

Yup, NJT’s fleet never has and probably never will make sense.

[@tom-and-mom]

From what I’ve heard, the GP40PH-2Bs are being rebuilt by Progress Rail into GP40PH-3LC Tier 4 locomotives for Florida’s Tri-Rail commuter railroad. The same can be said with the 3 ex-CNJ units that are still hauling passengers across New Jersey. All 23 of these units are being replaced by Siemens Chargers, which NJ Transit will order tomorrow along with the 180 Siemens ACS-64 electric locomotives and the 661 Siemens Venture coaches and the 11 Siemens cab cars that the SC-44s and ACS-64s will operate on. Both F40PH-2CATs that are still in service today are being rebuilt by National Railway Equipment into NRE 3GS64BM genset switchers for non-revenue service. In this low emissions genset switcher, the 3GS stands for 3rd Genset, the 64 stands for 6400 horsepower, the B stands for the B-B wheel arrangement of 4 axles, and the M stands for Modified. 4119 and 4120 would be renumbered 1006 and 1007, and after those units, those 8 ex-CSX B40-8s that were rusting at LTEX in Lordstown, Ohio, are finally being rebuilt at the Siemens factory in Florin, California, into Siemens SG1200B genset switchers for New Jersey Transit work trains and switching jobs in NJ. The SG1200Bs are numbered 1008 - 1015 when in service with New Jersey Transit, and the SG stands for Siemens Genset, the 1200 stands for 1200 horsepower, and the B stands for the B-B wheel arrangement. Will they happen?

[@davidng2336]

@@tom-and-mom LMAO I love how you like to say things without citations. And I can’t find info to support this.

[@tom-and-mom]

I’m afraid I don’t want all of the GP40-based passenger locomotives to be rebuilt back into freight locomotives for use on shortlines, right?

[@tom-and-mom]

9:49 placed an order for seex more rebuilt GP40-2s, to be rebuilt into GP40PH-2s by Morrison Knudsen. YAY! AWESOME MUSIC!

[@tom-and-mom]

9:48

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7:10 New Jersey Transit only kept them as they were head end power equipped.

[@tom-and-mom]

6:44 During this time the CRNJ lettering was dropped… :( and the locomotives started to be painted into the New Jersey Transit disco stripe paint scheme.

[@Maunico0809]

I feel like the West of Hudson fleet which your talking about is basically Engines of NJT Diesels

[@nyrailfan202]

Your not wrong, but a lot of people requested that I do it, originally I wasn’t going to do anything about west of Hudson.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

I guess the bit at the end means we'll soon need a video on the Chargers after they've gotten a bit of time in service (also the ALP-45DPs if you want to include more New Jersey Transit).

[@nyrailfan202]

Not the alp45’s but if the chargers come there will be a video about them

[@tom-and-mom]

9:49

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11:21

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11:15 died

[@stuew6]

Nice to And First GO Transit Loco .

[@nyrailfan202]

Yup

[@93greenstrat]

That blue paint was C&O/B&O blue as the B&O was involved in the financing. The rationale was that if the CNJ/NJDOT defaulted, the B&O would take ownership of the units.

[@nyrailfan202]

But wasn’t the paint similar on other NJDOT granted purchases

[@Lanetrainz]

The gp40ph-2 cowl bodys are from scrap bn f45.

[@tom-and-mom]

8:07 Reegeerd

[@trainsfacepaint4876]

Can you please make a video about comets and shoreliners?

[@nyrailfan202]

It will come soon enough

[@beelineenthusiast]

May I ask what Head end power is?

[@nyrailfan202]

It is an electrical generator that supplies electricity to the coaches for things like heat, air conditioning and lighting

[@tom-and-mom]

1:30 Reegeerd

[@ajjj4wood1]

Are you going do engin sof metro north F40PH

[@nyrailfan202]

Yes

[@System6VideoProductions]

I like the GP40FH

[@nyrailfan202]

It is unique

[@nyrailfan202]

Basically

[@Chqnces]

Pog

[@nyrailfan202]

WoW

[@gp40railfan44]

My heart is racing so much I love the PH’s and FH’s but I’m not hearing much about the chargers replacing the one GP40PH and the other GP40FH’s and I also heard the PL42AC is being replaced by the alp45dp instead of the geeps.

[@nyrailfan202]

Now it’s kinda being replaced by both as they are due to be retired before the geeps

[@gp40railfan44]

Maybe I’m missing something here or I’m not looking at the right resources but it says on Wikipedia that as of July 2020 they said they are replacing the PL42AC instead of the geeps but as you said the geeps are a very successful passenger locomotives and they will always be in the history book of NJT and MTA. Also great video man!

[@nyrailfan202]

Essentially as some of the new ALP45-DPs come in the PL42’s will be replaced but not all of them and the geeps will be replaced but not all of them. So really the size of each fleet will get smaller

[@gp40railfan44]

The ALP45DP sucks

[@mr.conductorfromsts4204]

One thing, The Cowl Shell was traded from the F45 Units

[@nyrailfan202]

What did I say

[@wolfgang548]

@@nyrailfan202 You mentioned the body from an SD45. Mistakes happen though.

[@jimmymumper1417]

gp40fh-2 is a standard cab f40ph-2.

[@nyrailfan202]

Basically yes

[@hectorhardy4781]

Like train

[@victortrainlife3150]

but what does the f mean. dose the f mean it hase a flared radiator. idk

[@tom-and-mom]

7:07 having been built

[@tom-and-mom]

7:06

[@doowopsoprano9867]

I need someone to explain to me cuz I just don't understand why some commuter trains still need locomotives when others do perfectly fine without them. I understand why freight trains still need locomotives with the heavy haul that needs to be pulled. I just see so many trains travel smoothly without locomotives. I don't understand why they are still needed for commuters like Amtrak & NJT etc.

[@nyrailfan202]

Diesel multiple units just don’t exist in the US. However Electric multiple units are used on New Jersey transit, metro-North etc. Amtrak tried multiple units from their inherited fleet way back when they were first formed in 1971 and they didn’t work. Locomotives just provide additional flexibility and reliability. They also aren’t that much better for high-speed service, But first stop start heater service they are much better which is why Metro-North and septa use them for all of their stopping trains but do still use locomotives for express trains. And JT would probably like to use their multiple units for all their local trains on electrified lines but they’re way too old for that but they did order new ones and hopefully when they get here they will start doing that more.

[@doowopsoprano9867]

@@nyrailfan202 Wow you just taught me so much about how it all works. Thank you. I always wondered about that. I also noticed that the NJT & LIRR Double Decker trains mostly use locomotives. The only double decker train I ever saw without the locomotive was the South Shore Line from the Midwest which bugs me out because some of the routes it takes goes literally through towns in the middle of the street. Besides getting ran over by the train, I also imagine it would be even more dangerous since it runs on electric right?

[@nyrailfan202]

As for the first question about double-decker electric multiple units they do exist like you mentioned on the South Shoreline but also on the Metro-electric district although those railroads are very similar. But Caltrain and New Jersey transit have both ordered some for use and they should be ready within the next 2 to 4 years depending upon delays although they’re both supposed to be in service by now. As for the South Shoreline being more dangerous because it’s electric I would say technically it is ever so slightly more dangerous because you do have the overhead wires but only slightly because for someone to be able to reach them and get electrocuted would be extremely difficult. The only thing it’s really more dangerous for is grow traffic and oversides loads but even then they still wouldn’t really endangered the drivers so they’re basically just low bridges just consistently over the railway line. But they’re also planning to remove a lot of the track from the streets and move it off the roads so it should be pretty much completed soon I think it was already done in Michigan city So in reality no.

[@doowopsoprano9867]

@@nyrailfan202 thank you so much for this information. I really appreciate the education. I been curious about this for a long time more so cuz I live in a place called Lancaster, Pennsylvania where there are no trains except the Amtrak & Freight. Local transportation is bus only & we really need a rapid transit or at least commuter rail system. I thought of a solution, a rapid transit collaboration between Lancaster, York, Harrisburg, Lebanon & Reading that would have subways or light rails, even trolley etc connecting each city together that would stop at the small towns in between. You would Septa would stretch down here from Philly but sadly no. I know its a long shot but I think it would definitely make it easier to travel & a lot more interesting. I just don't know who to talk to that has the power to put this to action. Idk why I told you all this. I'm sorry for babbling on lol but thanks for the education, friend.

[@nyrailfan202]

Trolleys would be best

[@hmitchell8618]

F40 or shoreliner/comet next?

[@nyrailfan202]

F40 then shoreliner

[@ginogalante]

Finally lol

[@nyrailfan202]

It’s only been 3 weeks since my last one

[@ginogalante]

This was the one we were all waiting for

[@nyrailfan202]

But what about the shoreliners

[@nyrailfan202]

It will come soon enough

[@PowerTrain611]

One small correction... The -2 means the locomotive is equipped with dash 2 electronics, making electronic work easy as there were solid state modules in the cab that could be swapped out in the event of a failure. The modules look like this : i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pq0AAOSwhadf0NIq/s-l300.jpg