Vaccines: An Unhealthy Skepticism | Measles Virus Outbreak 2015 | Retro Report

An outbreak of measles that started at Disneyland has turned a spotlight on those who choose not to vaccinate their children. How did we get to a point where personal beliefs can triumph over science?
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[@Yellowmead0w]

If autism is worse than polio, measles, *meningitis* , then you have your priorities severely screwed up.

[@Yellowmead0w]

Sekai Ni Heiwa if I don’t find out what that means I am not going to be able to sleep at night what-

[@sekainiheiwa3650]

Calm down , control your stims -its not you. Its just a toxins in your brain. Alcohol leaves your brain in 24 hours , aluminium never. Try to detox.

[@SM-fk8vy]

Sekai Ni Heiwa lol wtf is actually wrong with you?

[@chasethesun5603]

Sekai Ni Heiwa, I think you need to learn grammar before you claim someone has autism. Also, maybe you should actually watch the video before you comment anything else...

[@lopp5260]

Many Europeans, that are "anti-vaxxers" like me, are not vaccinated, neither were our parents, greatparents, ect. ect. and neither will our kids. So we give our kids strong genes at birth, and dont need to inject them with "immunity" later, together with chemicals.

[@EmmyRae1885]

As someone with Autism, the fact that parents are so horrified at the thought of it that they'll risk life threatening illness to avoid it is frankly VERY offensive

[@mksabourinable]

As a fellow autistic person; I second this. I hate anti-vaxxers with a PASSION. Stop using me and people like me as a Boogie man. We aren't a fate worse than a slow and painful death. We're people. Just different is all.

[@amandah5128]

I also have autism and 100% agree. I’d much rather be the way I am now than in an iron lung.

[@LostTicket956]

Omg you all are amazing. I have a daughter with two autistic children and now has decided to not vaccinate her most recent baby. And it horrifies me that she would take such a chance on her child.

[@SM-fk8vy]

My cousin has autism as well, and I'd much rather have him on this earth than taken by polio. Sad that parents are scared to have a kid anything like him. He's high-functioning, so no one actually notices it.

[@fattysl26]

You know what I never thought of it from that point, I always looked from the not getting measles perspective

[@captainzenbi]

Only developed nations who have forgotten the horrors of these diseases do crazy things such as this. You would hardly find this madness in developing countries who still have some issues with these diseases. This is another case of "I dont see it so it does not exist"...Then the disease picks up and people go "Oh, this was real, thought all those old timey things were just made up."

[@FOLIPE]

captainzenbi many developing countries haven't had issues with measles in literally decades, generations. I blame this on their self entitlement and over the top egotism, not on the quality of life.

[@FOLIPE]

You are wrong, though, the measles vaccine is one of the most effective ones and mortality fell hugely after its introduction. Besides, most of the papers you cited (I had a look), are actually saying that even if vaccionation didn't stop the disease completely, it made the risk of a situation deterioration during an outbreak much smaller.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

That's actually not completely accurate...The same propaganda and fear mongering has been pushed there, leading to fear of vaccines and pressures within in communities to refuse. Westerners come in with scary juice in a needle...sound trustworthy? A big leader of the measles outbreak was actually the Somali community here in the US in one major city.

[@FOLIPE]

It is true that some non-western communities, people with access to little schooling etc often stood against vaccines. But that is one thing, and that is something everyone understands... besides, this resistance often doesn't have a structured anti-vaccine narrative, they just feel some anxiety and natural skepticism regarding something both new and that they don't understand. In Brazil, we had a revolt against vaccination led by these very same marginalized communities.... in the early 1900s. Now people know what vaccines are and how important they are. They want to be vaccinated and push for more vaccines to be offered in the public health care system. What seems weird is that now the West (and not all the west, but its richer and most educated portion) is turning, albeit partially, against vaccination.

[@Bee-vf8cm]

captainzenbi this is sooooo true

[@manreadyvlog9918]

"We vaccinated our baby, and something happened!" -Karen

[@DonnaBrooks]

Yeah, ridiculous, isn't it! SO scientific and precise,- NOT.

[@catcraft5527]

She's even got the haircut!

[@headhunter_3434]

Karen: I believe vaccines are bad Scientists: wheres your proof Karen: my head

[@allandavis8201]

Brick Schitthouse, total and utter B.S, my grandson has autism but it didn’t come to light until he went to secondary school, he had all his vaccinations when he was younger and was happy and normal (if normal children exist, they are all unique) his issues of anxiety and stress are down to to crowded spaces and noise around him, autism in itself is no longer the term used, it’s called being on the “autistic spectrum “ that covers a wide variety of disorders, but being on the autistic spectrum is not just caused by the very low risk of side effects from vaccinations, it can be caused by a huge array of events etc, sorry but I call B.S

[@seanm7553]

Autism is genetic. If u have one autistic kid adopt the rest. My brother has two autistic kids. One vaccinated one not. That's yur case study.

[@SCWoodbury2009]

I mean what sort of a future are we headed for when people do not trust government, science, medical scientists, climate scientist, and educators?

[@rdsully5446]

revolution?

[@jeromejeevarajan3715]

***** Why do you hate science so much? Without science, we would still be cavemen trying to hunt animals with spears. Science taught us that the world is round and not flat. Science gave us the ability to successfully fly to the moon. And science has given us the ability to save millions of lives every single year using vaccines. African mothers walk several miles to get their children vaccinated because they can see the real impact (and Americans had the same perspective on vaccines back when these diseases were so prevalent here too). And to address your statement about chemotherapy... yes every single oncologist in the world would take chemo because it's logical and directly effective, chemotherapy is literally a set of drugs that target the highly active cells in your body which would be the cancerous ones. But there are also side effects because other cells (hair, intestine lining, etc) are also highly active, but that's just how medicine works. Any oncologist would choose hair loss and occasional nausea over death.

[@matseattle]

vulpix You think Vaccine is unsafety? Looking most of 4 millions deaf and including with delevlopment Disabilites with mental, Deaf-Blind. Deaf without disabilities are successful .. but not Delevlopment Disabities with Deaf and Blind are much worsen. Rubella can caused if you decide to against the vaccine. it will be worsen with in 5-10 millions come back since vaccine was found by Dr Salk in 1965.

[@deenibeeni3938]

***** I think you don't have a clear idea of what scientific studies are about. They do not claim to be "irrefutable." Refuting is part of the process. The language of science is statistics, which states things in probabilities, not absolutes. A lot of authors are consumed with publishing because it can advance their careers, and certainly it is unethical to claim authorship, but that doesn't mean the study itself is flawed or the data manipulated. Finally, yes, I do know oncologists who would take chemo and administer it to their kids. They know better than anyone that it's the best hope for cure or remission.

[@deenibeeni3938]

"Agreeing to disagree" when there is clear-cut evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines is what will kill many children. Political correctness can do its own damage. You can "agree to disagree" on philosophical issues for which there is no real answer, not on fact versus fiction. The fact that your dad had a bad doctor proves nothing except that you should have done better research or gotten other opinions, but now that you know how bad doctors can actually be, you should read my other post about Andrew Wakefield, who single-handedly manufactured a vaccine scare via blatant fraud so that he could make millions on a "test" for autism that doesn't exist. The fact that your dad lived without chemo doesn't say anything about chemo in general. This is more evidence that you don't understand scientific method. Even world-renowned physicians of alternative medicine, such as at the Osher Center for Integrative Medicine at UCSF, acknowledge that these things augment, but do not replace, standard cancer treatment. To suggest that others should not do chemo because of your father's experience is irresponsible & not that different from what Wakefield did, except that his data were manufactured & the fraud touched many more people, but many children have died because of it. In some areas of Britain the rate of vaccination went down to as low as 50%, and of the children who died as a result, 90% were un-vaccinated. I would not want to be the parent of a child who died because of information I got from a health food store. BTW, that was probably a fentanyl patch, not morphine.

[@Orthagoni]

Personal opinion over science. Thats the problem in the modern world

[@SapphireX413]

+Orthagoni A child in the United States is more likely to die from the MMR vaccine than the measles virus itself as of 2015. In the past 15 years just 10 people have died from measles in the United States (CDC). In just the last 10 years, 83 children have died as a result of the MMR vaccine (VAERS, cases accompanied by physician summaries). A child is 8 times more likely to die from the MMR vaccine than they are the actual illness. Let us not forget that a child has a 1 in 2500 (0.05%) chance of having a seizure from the MMR vaccine, but a .0004% chance of catching measles in California at the height of the Disneyland outbreak. I know these are miniscule numbers to be working with in the first place but the fact of the matter is, based on the numbers provided by the government and vaccine manufacturers - a child is 200 times more likely to have a seizure from the MMR vaccine than to contract measles in the state of California while there was an ongoing outbreak. That statistic only includes seizures. It would be much higher if all severe reactions were included. Also notable, recently vaccinated people are risks to immunocompromised children and those too young for vaccines due to viral shedding (noted by John Hopkins hospital, NVIC, and multiple studies)

[@Orthagoni]

Beckah Mataronas Maybe the vaccine could be harmful to some individual children, which is horrible, but if you dont vaccinate most of the population, then the possibility to die from the measels will not stay at 0.0004% but go back to the percentage that it was before the vaccines had been invented, which will be a lot higher than 0.05%. also, whats wrong with your data is, that 0.05% of vaccinated babies might get a seizure, if your data is correct, but 0.0004% of all babies will die from the measels. do you see the discrepancy? on one side you have the whole population, and on the other side only those that had vaccinated. If you take the incidence of death in all babies that had the measels, you will see that most of them die. Do you see know why it is necessary to vaccinate? Because once a large enough portion of the population doesnt vaccinate anymore, because of egoism, then the incidence of measel for ALL unvaccinated babies will become very high, and most of those who get measels will die, and that will be a number of deaths that is far greater than 0.05% of the vaccinated babies (if youre numbers are correct). Its very short-sighted to say that only 0.0004% percent of babies die from the measels, because this is direct consequence of vaccination and is a phenomenon of the modern days, while the percentage was immensely higher before the days of vaccination. Do you want to go back there, to the times when a big part of babies died from preventable diseases? I hope not.

[@SapphireX413]

+Orthagoni Of the 11 people who died of measles over the last 15 years, most of them were people in their 30s with various immune dysfunctions. The measles mortality rate pre 1963 (when the vaccine was introduced) had fallen over 95% just with the introduction sanitary education and some medical advancements. 95% of people over 15 no longer have any immunity to the measles virus because the vaccine only lasts a few years. Why aren't we having huge outbreaks on a regular basis? It should be more than 159 people at Disneyland because 95% of adults (parents, employees, adult visitors) are not up to date with their MMR shot.

[@pccchurch]

Brainwashed fools thinking they are not brainwashed fools. That's the problem that has existed throughout mankind. Enjoy your toxic koolaid Mr. Drug Commercial Scientist.

[@paulylorino4463]

Science is NOT about personal opinion. It's about agreement, and using research to move forward with the formation of hypothesis and onward research projects.

[@outradioslice]

I got pertussis (whooping cough) two years ago and I was terrified to leave my home for a month because I didn't want to come into contact with anyone who could come into contact with babies.

[@Altheaisokay]

Julie K thank you. Seriously one of my biggest fears is that my infant will get sick before she can be vaccinated.

[@AisteOsinskyte]

You are an incredible person. Whooping cough is extremely dangerous for little children... If only antivaxxers were so considerate.

[@macabrey]

I was vaccinated for whooping cough and got it for about a week as a child. Comparitively, my friend who was unvaccinated got it for around 2 months and there was a very real risk it could have killed her baby sister...

[@sunnvirhickey4840]

As a Anti-Vaxxer, Thank you for doing the right thing! If you get a disease, you need to stay at home and not go into the public and affecting anyone who could be at terrible risk. Now your immune system is a lot stronger and if you keep to a healthy diet there's no reason why you shouldn't get it again.

[@VegAnns]

why my brothers gf got pregnant all close family members got vaccinated again with TDAP just to be sure.

[@1andonlyzara]

The way Jenny yanks the files away from the scientists as they’re about to debunk what she’s saying is quite telling, in my humble opinion.

[@Ajehy]

A story of Autism and Disease: My brother was born before the Rubella vaccination was available. He got Meningitis, he stopped breathing, my parents rushed him to the hospital... he barely survived. Over the next 3 years, he had 4 normally fatal diseases, and his immune system is still weak. My brother also has Autism. It’s been a struggle to grow up with him, and he’s spend his adult life with my parents, state-sponsored aides, and a mix of charity work and part-time employment at a local museum. I love my brother. He’s vital and lively and kind, and the thought of what could’ve happened if my mom didn’t know CPR? If he had died before I was born? It’s horrible. Autism isn’t the end of a life or a family, but these diseases CAN and WILL destroy a child’s health forever.

[@chowlinlow]

I have autistic brothers and although I don’t always get alone with one of them, knowing they could be dead coz ‘vaccines are scawry ’ iS scary

[@raaston9761]

Ajehy I have autism and ADHD

[@sleesullivan2796]

Oh man. Sorry. That is terrible.

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

And (please forgive me) also a financial burden on other taxpayers who can't afford to even buy their own medications or care.

[@CapsFan117]

Vaccines do not cause autism there is *no* evidence.

[@rene-gt-uguem-savagefam9972]

I thought children weren't allowed into school without being vaccinated.

[@beepboopily6285]

Sekai Ni Heiwa oh how bratty instead of seeing the truth right in front of my eyes i just call everyone disagreeing an autistic person also autism is not necessarily bad. Sometimes it can go very wrong. Sometimes it's actually very beneficial.

[@sekainiheiwa3650]

I have no mood nor wish to debate with idiots. If you are unable to see the reality of vaccines madness the reasons are few: because of a flickering TV your brains are melted , you are over vaccinated having permanent aluminium tin foiled brains, you are a shill of the pharmaceutical gang. There is no other option.

[@sapenthusiast9999]

Sekai Ni Heiwa oh my goodness you realize how childish you are your hilarious 😂

[@johannaweichsel3602]

Unfortunately a bigass billboard right by the mall where I live promotes that it's not necessary. Hope it gets covered up soon.

[@skidmarkgameing5034]

@@sekainiheiwa3650 aha yes whenever you get criticism online look in a dictionary and just read off a bunch of word to make it seem like your a professor at Harvard

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Refusal to vaccinate children should be considered child abuse and the parents should be punished accordingly.

[@sarahmagee1432]

CWINDOWSsystem32 actually it is it falls under medical neglect / parental neglect. This is according to cps law.

[@aenorist2431]

In reasonable terms its also attempted murder, because you are intentionally trying to infect other people by dissolving herd immunity.

[@bilwisss]

CWINDOWSsystem32 so you suggest "medicating without consent"? what is the punishment you suggest for not being medicated with out consent? something medieval ? ... burning at the stake without consent ?

[@jacoba1470]

baashdi hobstocking I sense an anti vaxxer

[@bilwisss]

Jacob A i am sensing "projection".

[@sammy4102]

"How did we get to this point, where personal believe is more powerful than science?" Have they ever heard of religion?

[@apokryphos117g]

Shimmy Stylinson Great question. With everything that is going on in, how did we get here? Is this primarily an American problem?

[@dontneedtoknow5836]

You do realise that it has to be transmitted for it to survive. If it isn't transmitted then it will die off with the last chain of transmission. Travel is what is causing it to spread again according to the CDC. They have no evidence like shingles and chicken pox that it can be shed from an individual that has contraxted it or vaccinated previously.

[@trixtrix146]

As with abortion my body my right

[@felipecosta-kv2fx]

@@trixtrix146 Please don't talk about abortion anywhere, it's a pretty controversial topic and a lot of people will hate you don't matter what your opinion is, if you support abortion, people will hate you, if you doesn't people will still hate you

[@headhunter_3434]

Religion= bow down to a dude in the sky Science= discovered DNA Our heads= plz be a fart plz be a fart

[@4stardiesel432]

you know in poor countries mothers will walk up to 500 miles to get her children vaccinated also she/he will be carrying them the way there and back in total 1000 miles and and thats if there lucky some are up 900 to 700 there maybe even a 1000 on the way there people are becomeing blind to danger

[@booxiebmeowmeow]

*_"I WILL WALK 500 MILES AND ILL WILL WALK 500 MORE"_*

[@sleesullivan2796]

In the 1970s, the only place smallpox was still endemic was the Horn of Africa. Government medical workers and volunteers from other countries set up a road block where everyone had to pass to bring their cattle to pasture, or to reach anyplace other than their home village. They caught and vaccinated every human who passed through, and didn't ask permission. Sometimes democracy and freedom is irritating.

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

And whenever try, imams will stop them for the same unscientific suspicions.

[@haihoegaatet6963]

AmethysicalDragon it’s the lyrics of the song 500 miles by the proclaimers

[@mariannenowottny1732]

they will also allow the town to torture and starve the child if the poor village people considers the child a "witch"- i.e. Africa

[@ELE_26]

Vaccines are absolutely needed. Not just for the person vaccinated, but for everyone. Especially those who are not able to be vaccinated.

[@RockStarMae21]

TheBookWorm1718 while that's absolutely possible, you're missing the point. It considerably lowers the chances of getting the illness. Without vaccines there were mass outbreaks and a large death toll.

[@crybaby7667]

RockStarMae21 no you're missing the point, vaccinated ppl can still carry and spread diseases they are vaccinated against. Herd immunity is a myth

[@VenusianMuzic]

Lopp yes they are. I agree 👍

[@lopp5260]

+VENUS Nice, but aren't you american too?

[@alexthebudgie9071]

Erica thank you for saying. I was diagnosed with cancer when I was 12. I lost all my immunities from the injections I had, and the illnesses I had (measles, chicken pox, flu’s, colds, etc) so I have to stay away from anyone who was ill. I cannot have any injections, (except flu jabs) until i finish my treatment next year. (I will be 14 1/2). Then I have to have all the injections I have missed, all my childhood injections and and a flu jab every year. And so that’s why I find anti-vacciners appalling and disgusting.

[@kaisla7423]

Storytime: my children changed their molecural structure and became plants bc of vaccines

[@dylantherandomperson.3903]

They became plants 😅, good one!

[@Coreyhq23]

Yeah um I don’t believe you

[@DonnaBrooks]

You believe it so it MUST be true!

[@DonnaBrooks]

@@Coreyhq23 It's a joke.

[@DonnaBrooks]

@M M Seems to me you're the one who's hateful. And humorless. And stubborn & arrogant. Did you ever think maybe YOU will learn the hard way? But hey, you can be proud in your ignorance.

[@vhulheim]

"I didn't vaccinate my seven children, and though little Timmy mourns the loss of his six siblings to preventable diseases, he's turned out just fine and is not autistic.." Anti-vaxxer logic.

[@enoughisenoughitsover.9407]

Wanker!

[@peaceweaverstation]

your opinion is just a repetition of propaganda. you appear as someone who has blindly accepted what they were told, and did no research themselves. peace

[@HawkinaBox]

Wow, if a parent is that selfish they shouldn't even be allowed to have more kids.

[@sidbid1590]

@@peaceweaverstation Yes, because I choose to trust people who have put years into actual research instead of an hour of googling.

[@peaceweaverstation]

Sid I made my decision with several doctors, five books and days and days of research. How did you make your decision ?? I know Doctors who changed their mind in the last years when the AMA - CDC put pressure on them. Have you done any research, or do you just read the newspaper/propaganda and believe what they tell you. I am an American citizen and I question what’s inside the drugs they’re injecting in my body. That’s my right. It’s sad to me that you would give up yours without question. Do you think everybody who questions a vaccine is it nut? Good luck rethinking when you realize that EVERYBODY selectively vaccinates. Even you. Peace PS i’m not here to argue so find somebody else if that’s your goal. I’m not going to banter you can find me on Twitter if you like. Peace.

[@BriAngel476]

these people need to learn the difference between correlation and causation. but i guess thats a bit too hard.

[@ProfessorEGadd]

One data point isn't even correlation. It's coincidence.

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

That's exactly what I've been saying. Associative is not causative. And it's a weak association, nonexistent, that will not stand up to scrutiny.

[@wkjeom]

Bri Angel -- Over 400 medical research papers and over 1000 peer-reviewed articles state vaccines are dangerous...... but whatever FACTS don't mean anything.

[@sablethompson1212]

The correlation they are seeing is age. The age of vaccines is also the age when most children begin to develop their personalities. The autism was always there, it just didn't show itself until a few months after they vaccinate so they find something to blame.

[@sablethompson1212]

@@wkjeom Vaccines are dangerous--to people that are immunocompromised. They work because they are a weakened form of the disease. With a normal immune system, you become immune forever and actually are able to pass that immunity to your children.

[@hieuluu2]

You can have 2 sets of opinions, but your can't have 2 sets of facts.

[@JenaiHerod_Paws4mercy]

Hieu Luu you can have two sets of facts but only incomplete ones because there is 3 sides to every issue , like a coin , heads tales and then there's the TRUTH in the middle

[@hieuluu2]

If they are incomplete, they are not facts.

[@pccchurch]

Ever hear the notion that the victor writes the history. The winners are always the good guys. And the losers are always the bad guys. Until u find survivors that tell u different. When u control the narrative. When u control the text books ... u can make anything up ... ANYTHING. Have u read 1984? That was based on Russian and Chinese Communist oppression. When the govt CONTROLS the FACTS, the ppl DIE. Ever hear about the Cultural Revolution where intellectuals were forced into slave camps and most died and peasants were put into govt and science based positions and all hell broke loose. The kids were forced to denounce their parents and sing pro-communist govt songs because that was the TRUTH/FACT. Don't believe it? Too lazy to read history. Go to North Korea today and see what FACTS the govt tells u. U think drug companies tell u facts in their rigged studies? The drug companies have NEVER EVER used a pure control group because if they did, it would show that their shots are toxic and useless in fighting disease. This is a fact. Whether or nor u are industrious enough to do ur own research is up to u. But dont tell me believing corporate propaganda is science. That's called being brainwashed against your own interests.

[@hieuluu2]

peachees Its always easy to lecture the World about 3rd World problems from the comfort of your 1st world living room. Ever been to a communist country? I have. I remember as a child in Vietnam, my mom would carried me 7 miles to the nearest Red Cross center so I can be vaccinated because she witnessed first hand the devastation of diseases. Thousands of children in America died in the 1800-1900s from smallpox, then in the 50's, over 58,000 cases of Polio with over 3000 children died from it, since then, due to vaccination, both smallpox and Polio is almost at non-existence. Because of vaccines, Americans have forgotten the pain and death toll of Polio and smallpox and we think we are immune to other diseases because of the advance in medicine and science. But I tell you what, believe you what is best for you, you can argued the studies are flawed or "rigged", but I'll take the advances of scientists and researchers from Cornell University, Stanford University, UC Davis, and Harvard over the great Doctor and Scientist Jenny McCarthy and Rob Schnieder.

[@mariab5975]

I totally agree, they want money, so they try to make people believe that vaccinations are good for you. Vaccines contain harmful chemicals and hormones that are not safe. If you never get vaccinated there will not be a problems in your life, plain and simple.

[@mscholten]

My best friend has autism and is very offended that the u.s. treats autism like it's a monster. And that people would rather have polio which is deadly in some cases than a neurological disorder that has no relation to vaccines

[@thatonecubchoo1541]

Autism is a SPECTRUM, meaning it covers a wide variety of people and behaviors. A mental disorder like ADHD, originally mistaken as autism in me, doesn’t mean I can’t do algebra. I’m medicated, Sure, but on my off days during summer vacation I am still seemingly normal. It’s only days where I actually forgot to take my morning medications that I’m cackling and having sudden bursts of hyperactivity. Autism, ADHD, and OCD can bring out the best in people’s minds. Albert Einstein had ADHD, and he was a creative genius. So what if a mental disorder makes the imagination a bit wilder? It may actually be an advantage in the future.

[@kikilu79]

ThatOneCubchoo Autism isn’t a mental disorder, it’s an development disorder.

[@katieburak93]

Kristy Lukic It’s in the DSM-V

[@kikilu79]

Katie Burak Interesting. So it’s no longer an developmental disorder?

[@covfefe1787]

@@thatonecubchoo1541 to stop these devises simply stop inbreeding

[@lesliecardenas921]

Anti-Vaxx: *doesnt vaccinate child* Child:*gets polio* Anti-Vaxx: *_surprise pikachu face_*

[@ctnaturalhoof]

vaccinates child. . . child gets polio. oops.

[@cheesecake7274]

ctnaturalhoof vaccinated children cant get polio honey

[@jaydeejohnson7]

@@ctnaturalhoof say what now?

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Leslie Children are dying from those vaccines. You are very, very stupid.

[@jaydeejohnson7]

@@hummingbirdbumblebee4618 they are dying? What statistics do you have to support that assertion?

[@steadie]

this will always upset me. as an autistic person, it hurts so much to know some parents would rather a dead child than an autistic one.

[@steadie]

any of the diseases prevented by vaccines.

[@thin_white_duke1]

It’s quite ableist.

[@jammo6645]

*Thousands upon thousands of people die from disease* Scientists invent vaccines Anti vaxxers: ItS UnHeAlThY

[@emilyfredrickson9009]

I got whooping cough in the 2014 outbreak, it was terrible. I was a year-round high school athlete and I attribute that to surviving it. I went into cardiac arrest just like that baby did.

[@rma9258]

Yeah, I can't imagine how bad it would be to not be vaccinated against that thing. I'm pretty sure I caught it recently and I was vaccinated against it as a kid... It was horrendous having it while being vaccinated, let alone having no defence at all.

[@isforme2789]

happy you made it 😁💐

[@stay4309]

Lia Moroe this is why you get your updated tdap, which now includes vaccinating against pertussis.

[@emilyfredrickson9009]

Ekaterina Williams I had had an update less than a year before. There is some evidence of it being faulty because there was an increase in the amount of outbreaks in my region in girls my age

[@emilyfredrickson9009]

Lia Moroe I had been vaccinated! I never really got many answers as to what exactly the issue was. As far as I’ve heard it was a faulty boosted in my county as there were higher outbreak rates in girls my age at the time

[@maxischew514]

In Australia or at least Victoria you can’t send your kid to daycare if they aren’t vaccinated.

[@niamhnir]

same in Ireland, unless there is a very good medical reason all vaccines and the record book the doctor fills out has to be shown as evidence

[@animeshizune98]

heard some people faking the papers for vaccination :((

[@niamhnir]

@@animeshizune98 simply ring the medical practice to confirm, I am not allowed the mmr for genetic reasons and I will not have parents put me at risk because of doctor Google

[@SimplyNazsay]

I work at a daycare in America and we also dont let our kids come in unless they're vaccinated

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

Yeah, but in the United States, there are more stringent requirements before you can take your DOG to doggie daycare!

[@BrokeLevy]

I’m surprised by the lack of COVID-related comments… Love that people don’t learn from history.

[@amo6139]

9:12 I was breathing oxygen, and I broke my leg!

[@thin_white_duke1]

My father was drinking water and then he died. BiG PhARmA!!! /s

[@ShadowFoxSF]

Hillarious! Breathing oxygen led to broken bones? For those who could possibly take a broken leg as the more serious threat, guess what they should stop doing? :)

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

LOL!

[@MarySanchez-qk3hp]

Wait... and after the doctor splinted your leg and managed your pain, and the bone mended... you thanked god, not the doctor's skill and care, right? LOL!

[@MsZoe85]

I really don't understand why parents who don't vaccine their kids aren't prosecuted or punised

[@floridasunshine2670]

Agree

[@chasethesun5603]

I agree, but there are some exceptions.. such as kids who don't have the right immunity to fight the live vaccines or are allergic to some ingredients. However, that IS why herd immunity is brought up.

[@i_5695]

TheBookWorm1718 then its all the more important that people who can do that

[@MRSEVILKANGROOEVILKO]

@TheBookWorm1718 Hana Mei is right, the people who can get vaccines should! Doesn't matter if it's only 1 person or 10 people or 40 people out of 2000. If the several 1000 people are infants, senior citizens, and chemo/cancer patients they have a weak immune system. You on the other hand can be that one person that destroys everything because you contracted measles somehow like from a fellow anti-vaxxer who thought traveling to a measles infested place was a good idea. They look healthy, say it's only a rash that'll go away, but it won't, and by being around your fellow friend you have contracted Measles. In a vaccinated body your body would immediately eliminate it cause it knows what it is, Measles. But your unvaccinated body let's it stick around until it does too much damage, and while you might not notice it until it's too late you have already infected the entire population that couldn't be vaccinated. Thanks..... Now that's a hypothetical situation but it does happen when people don't have the vaccine. Because its not around, or they can't get it cause of their immune system, OR BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

[@i_5695]

@TheBookWorm1718 Youre logic is flawed and i will gladly explain why. First of all, measles was one example people get vaccinated against out of a lot. Secondly yes, there are diffrent, more natural ways to help your body prevent getting sick against some of these illnesses, but they wont cure you or the masses if it doesnt work. Outbreaks happen most often to a weaker group at first (like infants, children etc.) and these people will be at a higher risk of death or really bad long term consequenses. Now to put up with that risk because you happen to belive a group of people who dont understand sience is horrible at best. Third of all, you will never turn everyone or even a lot of people away from fast food so this scenario is unreasenable anyway.

[@taylorandgraphite4772]

For someone like me with a auto immune disease and a low immune system, we NEED people to be vaccinated!

[@cindy846]

Absolutely agreed, thank you!! 💕

[@shreeyastache]

TaylorAnd Graphite an* and yes! As a child, I conducted a very bad case of pneumonia and practically died because someone passed it on to me. Imagine that was something like measles. I already have a weak immune system and I was 3 months old. These people deserve to be incarcerated.

[@toni4729]

It never occured to you that your auto immune system might have been caused by that stuff that's been shot into you>?

[@nousername5673]

B C Please see my reply before this.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

No you don't, and you don't get to force me to take anything. I suggest Colloidal Silver. You're not forcing me to vax buddy.

[@ej1867]

Kid: I wanna be a astronaut when i grow up! Anti-Vaxx Mom: *Woah. Slow down there buckaroo!*

[@notagain509]

Whaaat?

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

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[@jonultime]

I like how the narrator asks: "how can personal beliefs can triumph over science?" Have you heard of religion?

[@pccchurch]

When u have an educated population that has the courage to stand up against the fraudulent medical science then the honest health movement will grow. Doctors use govt to make profit (forced insurance and govt agents forcing toxins to sicken the masses creating more customers for doctors to sell more toxins).

[@XBlade-em7no]

Lol, that's actually pretty funny.

[@setablaze1802]

VeroMithril not so much religious mentality but rather cult like mentality or extremist. All major religions, regardless of how the individual practices it, contain a great amount of positive rhetoric equal to the “negative” rhetoric, and that typically is what defines them apart from cults. Eg: Christianity emphasises love & forgiveness, but also has a lot of edicts on what constitutes as sin. What conspiracy theorists do, like cults, is focus greatly if not entirely on the negative. It requires that their believers be incredibly cynical, distrustful of others, & that there can be no questioning of the ideology they’ve adopted, least they be “tricked” by the evil forces they’re supposed to fight against. Whilst certainly there are religious individuals who exhibit the same behaviours, the religion as a whole (in its beliefs, not necessarily those who preach it) does not support it most often, and many would describe these ppl as cult-like or extreme regardless. Im certainly no expert on these things but I have had first hand experience with a literal extreme conspiracy theorist- a former boss of mine when I worked at a medical centre. This person was utterly convinced that ADHD didn’t exist, that anxiety and depression was not something to be taken seriously, and that being prescribed medication in any sense was a way for the NWO to talk over our minds (they were anti-Semitic & didn’t believe the government was legal as well). Similar to how many anti-vaxers get roped in, this person became involved into this harmful rhetoric by having existing concerns and anxieties which they in their desperation searched for answers for, and sadly the ppl they encountered on that search provided them with “comforting” answers that only fed into their anxiety. So no, I don’t think conspiracy theories are recycled religious mentality, though certainly extreme or distorted religious ideologies can certainly play a part in it. You’re right in that it’s extreme views and a lack of knowledge that make up a great portion of it, but that is most certainly not confined to religious beliefs in any sense, and should we try to find solutions to stopping these detrimental anti-science views, we must acknowledge this.

[@Mica_T]

Vaccination has morning to with Religion. I have yet to hear people using the excuse of religion as a reason to not vaccinate.

[@regcla6667]

Jon Ultime you guys just keep believing that sciences and religion are completely incompatible, meanwhile there are plenty of scientists who are also theists but whatever

[@Flowerbarrel]

Two friends of mine say they don't get vaccinated for the flu, one because she said she could "tough it out". The other because she doesn't understand vaccines. She said she's never had a flu vaccination and has never gotten the flu. She probably has had the flu or got lucky. I couldn't believe I was friends with them when they told me that. I didn't want to be around them anymore. Yeah, they might be able to tough it out, but someone else might not be able to...like my sister, who has an autoimmune disease. We could have potentially killed her because I could have gotten germs from them and then transmitted them to my sister. I don't think I'd ever have forgiven them for that. As it is, I hope I never see them again. I'd never been so angry before in my life. I have mild autism. It's really hard some days. It's difficult to understand people. I had no sense of humor because things just didn't make any sense at all. I had to work hard to try and understand. As a child I took a long time to learn how to talk well and read. I still can't talk well sometimes and have trouble hearing and processing. My teachers thought I wouldn't be able to read at all. It's hard. But life is hard even for people who don't have it. I will say personally I am happy to be alive, no matter how hard it is, and I did not get it because of vaccines. I was always going to have it. I don't believe vaccines cause autism, but if they did, I'd rather have it than be dead because of an easily preventable disease. A doctor named Wakefield was paid off to say there was a correlation. He caused fear and panic in the U.K., then came to the U.S. and did the same thing. He lost his license but the damage was done. I hope he rots.

[@chickamauga7261]

Serasia search. Measles before vaccine

[@sleesullivan2796]

I have had the same stupid conversation. I didn't want to die of a brain aneurysm so I had to change the subject.

[@harleyquinn5774]

I am autistic and very pro-vaccination. Though I will admit my guilt in not getting my flu vaccinations since high school. Two years in a row I got the flu vaccine for the year, both times one week later I had straight up influenza with delirium and an inability to get up and move. I live alone with a high rent (but comparatively low within the area I live), have a full time job, and no one who lives near me I can turn to take care of me (eating and using the bathroom) and my parakeets. My grandmother suffered the same reaction: the flu shot gave her the flu. I know flu vaccines have changed since then but I'm not in a position to risk finding out whether I will experience it again or not. I have no safety net in place if I get a reaction for a third time.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

I don't get the flu shot because the flu shot itself is a mixed bag, some years it works and other years it doesn't. The issue is of course is influenza mutates extremely quickly so by the time the vaccine is approved and on the market the virus may have changed enough to make the vaccine useless (this is what happened the one time I got the shot). That being said I am not an anti vaxxer, I have all my other shots even the controversial HPV vaccine

[@anexpiredyogurt4818]

I never used to get flu vaccines because I was one of the ones thinking toughing it out was a better option. I got the flu twice, one time when I already had a lung infection. Turned into full blow pneumonia because I had weakened my immune system quite a bit. Still suffer from the effects of that bad choice. Second time I caught the flu was very bad. I just ended up staying home for as long as possible and didn't leave the house. In the end, I started getting vaccinated and haven't had any issues with it since. I want to make sure to be protected, because I have immuno-compromised people in my family I don't want to make sick. And because there are plenty of people around me at all times who could very well be prone to illness, and I don't want to be one of those people anymore who just thinks about themselves when it comes to illness. We're all in this together.

[@stay4309]

What I find so interesting about antivaxxers, just like other rebellion groups (such as sjw’s), is that they all tend tend to back their claims with more emotions than data.

[@minecraftminertime]

Sekai Ni Heiwa that's not autism. The autism joke is so engrained on the internet that most people don't actually know the scienctific facts about autism.

[@minecraftminertime]

Ekaterina Williams it depends on what kind of sjw's you're talking about. There are SJWs that aren't completely reliant on emotions. I think that what you mean by SJW is the SJW's that don't know facts. But saying dumb SJWs rely on emotions more than facts is pretty obvious.

[@Internet_user777]

Ekaterina Williams - yes and trump supporters

[@SynthVoice]

Well anti-vaxxers are usually very right leaning.

[@iLynn0o]

in Greece we have a saying "It's better to be uneducated than half-educated" the anti-vaxxers only listen to things they want to hear & stick by them no matter what rather than having the facts to support their claims they are poorly educated on the matter & often misinformed by people with huge influence like that "doctor" in the video also my brother has Asperger's syndrome which is mild form of autism & let me tell you than vaccines have NOTHING to do with it, it's people's attitude towards these syndromes that cause a problem & misinformation to spread isolated cases do not prove anything

[@akihitochan9988]

In greece we have a saying. “Dont look at our credit score!”

[@zakirahtheniqabi]

You cannot assume everyone who chooses not vaccinate does so for the same reasons. A vaccine is still a medical procedure and its up to the parents to decide for their child if the risk is worth it.

[@lionpack694]

@@zakirahtheniqabi Oh I get it they can choose to abuse there child (your sick)

[@iLynn0o]

@@Inara590 y'all have the same vibe as the flat earth society. At least I had a healthy childhood and made into adulthood, the only disease I ever suffered from was common cold. Sure, go treat yourself with essential oils and crystals, that will surely help. I am truly worried about the younger generation

[@iLynn0o]

@@Inara590 great argument! I'm sure that will keep you healthy, just like not being vaccinated

[@vanillama5181]

I once got very sick after getting a vaccine and had to take the day off school, but that certainly never had and never will stop me from getting vaccinated. I did a research paper about CRISPR in my science class this year, and it actually gave me quite an insight as to how vaccines work even though they are quite different. The human body is quite fantastic and it’s amazing what we have been able to discover, so I suggest if you are worried about vaccinations, you should do your own research. If you can’t understand the information you find, you should leave it up to the professionals and scientists who devote their lives to this kind of matter, rather than making ignorant conclusions from your own knowledge.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Vanillama Just look at how nazism has overtaken you. Almost all those professionals and scientists are Nazis. I have been researching for 40 years and know that YOU have NOT researched vaccines. Vaccines are FULL of formaldehyde and aluminum and mercury and are killing and maiming thousands of children. Robert Kennedy Jr. sued the CDC in 2019 and won because the CDC could not come up with one record saying that they had tested vaccines in 30 years. People ARE fantastic energy and light beings or holograms. YOU need to be reading about the medicine that REALLY works in the book "Hands of Light" written by the physicist Barbara Brennan.

[@jacksonsniff3624]

I also recently got sick for a day after getting a meningitis vaccine, but it is one thing to have an uncommon reaction to a very safe vaccine than to die from the disease that can be prevented by that vaccine. Being sick sucks but I would rather have to be sick for a day then dead.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

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[@Mrs.TJTaylor]

Vanillama Yes! Very well said! In other words, let’s NOT rely on our own ignorance.

[@maritje4225]

@@jacksonsniff3624 and being sick for a day isn’t even an uncommon reaction! That’s just your body reacting like it would react to any disease (your body is learning to fight a dead or weakened illness after all), except this sickness isn’t serious and will protect you from deadly illnesses.

[@will35719711]

Darwins Law will kick in and many will go the way of the Doe Doe bird. Unfortunately mass illness will have to take place before common sense returns.

[@Altheaisokay]

Tana Jones the doe doe was extinct, due to evolution.. hes saying all the idiots not vaccinating their kids will end those people's bloodlines, helping us evolve as a species..

[@Silkendrum]

althea bird - Evolution had nothing to do with the extinction of the dodo. They were well suited to their environment, a human-less island. Dodo birds were large, flightless, unafraid of humans, and, unfortunately, delicious. They were hunted to extinction by visiting sailors within 100 years of the discovery of their island. So, dodos are not a good example of the future of anti-vaxxers - unless you plan to hunt them down and eat them.

[@sleesullivan2796]

Yeah but the stupid won't be the ones who die.

[@Silkendrum]

@@sleesullivan2796 - The stupid WILL be the ones to die.

[@vishistsantanam2366]

I would love for the people who choose not to vaccinate their children meet the parents of infants who died because of their poor choices.

[@cindy846]

I'm sure they wouldn't care... Because they don't BELIEVE in the effectiveness of vaccines. So they would be sad, but would never admit the death is related to the refusal of immunization.

[@Fiendformusic]

How about you meet the parents of a child who was killed by a vaccine and say that. Just so ignorant.

[@emeliagomez9959]

I would love for the people who do vaccinate meet the poor people who’s children have died because they vaccinated.

[@cindy846]

Just by the comments following mine you see what I mean...

[@lunarmartian3840]

@@cindy846 Only that the parents who lost their kids to a preventable disease would outweigh them by 1000 to 1. The fact that people cant even do basic math irks me. Chances of dying from a vaccine are much lower than dying from the diseases they prevent.

[@Kriistall7]

Immunizations shouldn't be a parental choice. Just like you can't just decide you don't like carseats and you can hold your baby just fine 🙈 When people don't understand basic science and statistics, it impacts US ALL. This is *not* just your kids not being vaccinated that's the problem, it's all of our babies, friends and family with cancer, immune problems etc. Being antivax is the highest level of privilege and selfishness

[@cindy846]

Well said

[@Fiendformusic]

You want Nazi Germany, because that's how you get Nazi Germany.

[@DarkAngleOfAsh]

EVIL GENIUS You are misconstruded, Forcing something that benefits the majority including the people receiving it ,has no downfalls. Nazi germany was a rascist and fascist state with whom segergated people based on pseudo science. Vaccines arent pseudo science. People are dying because Parents for their own selfish reasons refuse to do the right thing for people with whom have no say in the matter. Parents were vaccinated, The kids arent. It wont be the parents who suffer, Get sick, And possibly deal with death or the long term of consequences from a disease that was preventable. It will be the defensless children

[@cindy846]

@@DarkAngleOfAsh Well said too

[@SouthernBelleReviews]

I'm with EVIL GENIUS on this one.

[@peterw4910]

It should be classed as child neglect to not vaccinate your child. Its like making them not wear a seatbelt in the car.

[@eeeaten]

how do you know seatbelts work? has there ever been a double-blind placebo study? kidding!

[@ladyryot81]

Or it could be classed as a parent that actually cares enough and is educated enough to look into the types of things being pushed on their children. To many parents blindly trust, any doctor that's actually educated on the subject of vaccines further than the Med School information they got (which is literally that they work. Not what they have in them, or how their made, etc) would never vaccinate their children. Most people employed by the CDC don't vaccinate their children, because they know the toxins added in are much more of a risk to every aspect of the childs health than any disease they could catch. The epidemics of diseases coming back aren't because of the people who don't vaccinate, its because of the people who are so over vaccinated and immune-supressed that they are weakened to every illness they may come across. Would you consider someone who injected mercury (all forms of mercury are bad but it being injected is the absolute worst way you could get it in your body), formaldehyde, aluminum,dog/chicken/monkey cells into their child to be neglectful? Because I would. Go to the CDC website and look at the ingredients in them, you'll be surprised. I'm not against the idea of vaccination but I'm definitely against the under studied, poison containing and DNA changing vaccines that are on the market today.

[@a3grams878]

@@ladyryot81 bro stfu you mcdonalds worker that can't afford vaccines so you make reason why you don't also yay I would rather have the chance to let my kid die rather than minor autism how idiotic can you be

[@ladyryot81]

@@a3grams878 jeez, everything about what you just said shows how brainwashed and lacking in the ability to critically think for yourself you really are. Also FYI I live in Canada, where they're FREE and still don't take them.

[@SynthVoice]

@@ladyryot81 You're the biggest problem in our country. You're putting yours and your children's life in danger.

[@tomboyy5]

I had whooping cough when I was like 11 and I had no idea how serious it was. I do remember i had to stay home from school for a week and a half. And they had to give notices to all my classmates parents.

[@tomboyy5]

Dale Evans I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, but I just didn’t know about whooping cough because I was so young. But I do think it is a very serious disease, or virus(I’m not sure what the proper term for it is) because I developed asthma from it. I don’t have to use an inhaler all the time, but I do get frequent asthma attacks when I’m sick.

[@masumamiah101]

Were you vaccinated ?

[@tomboyy5]

Miah 101 I honestly don’t know. Probably? My mom is pro vaccines so I’m guessing I was up to date on vaccines.

[@Gnormous]

Same, I got it around 8 years old and just thought it was a bad cough. Now I have asthma that gets affected by colds or extreme exercise. I was not yet vaccinated at that time.

[@johanna2690]

@@tomboyy5 You can look it up in your vaccination card. Whooping cough is called Pertussis. Also a lot of vaccines need a booster shot after 10 to 15 years. So you should let your doctor take a look at your vaccination card.

[@notanomnom]

"We know there are going to be communities that have trouble with vaccine hesitance...what we do is put a pin on a map for every Whole Foods and draw a circle around it..." LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo, but deadass probably one of the better ways of going about that.

[@david.ricardo]

When “my opinion” is more important than scientific evidence...

[@seaotter4439]

@ls7orBust2 As a baby, you are unable to give consent

[@seaotter4439]

@ls7orBust2 However, if a baby is vaccinated, regardless of parental consent, it's gonna be good in the long run. It will ensure herd immunity.

[@seaotter4439]

@ls7orBust2 Ladies and gentlemen, Worst Parent of the Year Award goes to this guy

[@MorphRed]

@@seaotter4439 Isn't that obvious that he is trolling

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

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[@billinct860]

I remember being brought to city hall for mass smallpox vaccinations in the early 1950's... just barely. But it wiped out the disease completely. Polio is almost unheard of today because of the injections and oral vaccines we were given in school. Few people questioned these programs that protected our collective health back then. It's a shame some of these modern vaccinations weren't available at a time when people were more sensible. To not prevent childhood diseases that many my age had to suffer through is downright cruel.

[@Jordannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

billinct860 so ur like 80

[@billinct860]

No... 70.

[@billinct860]

@QueenCoCoaMocha You are so very kind! Thanks!

[@Gnormous]

You existed in a time where you could actually see the destruction of polio and smallpox, that is why no one questioned the vaccine. These days people are so protected from those diseases thanks to your generations vaccines that they don't understand the severity of the diseases and they go on thinking vaccines are bad. Reality never hits them, but it will.

[@solomon-uu5xh]

Did you know those polio vax were contaminated with sv40 cancer virus. & a couple of million people got cancer from that crap. Look it up !

[@A94-c5z]

Crazy that this is from 2015 and is now 10x more relevant today

[@kissfan7]

8:26 Screw Matt Lauer. Good for her for calling him out.

[@WILD4X4D]

Having been diagnosed with autism in my teens, people who talk about vaccines causing autism really bothers me.

[@totiny3262]

*3 year old:* when I grow up i- *Anti vaxxer mom:* let's not get too ahead of ourselves now

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Poison Rain... a fitting name for a sheep such as yourself.

[@savagequeen3798]

🤣🤣🤣

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

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[@wesleyfreeman5918]

i have had whooping cough. its not fun, imagine coughing for a minute straight and having that happen every about 2 minutes, now imagine trying to sleep doing that. its impossible. and sometimes you will cough so hard that you will throw up, and that really hurts.

[@HansonJ]

Babies coughing and crying makes me sad, I really have no idea why.

[@dontbe8thnotes]

human nature??

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Hanson Not knowing why children cry makes you a psychopath.

[@shannond7437]

Parents who reject the MMR vaccine should be forced to watch what actually happens to children suffering with measles. Kinda like they are forcing women in the abortion clinics to watch videos and their ultrasound.

[@johannes914]

Only in USA ...

[@jonmapa9418]

And the Bible Belt of the Netherlands (and extra-European areas in which conservative Dutch Calvinists settled).

[@yewwood7547]

***** So, when was that last used?

[@yewwood7547]

***** I don't accept "probably(s)".

[@yewwood7547]

***** Nope. Just pointing out how you accept and validate things.

[@yewwood7547]

***** If you count my courses taken in Critical Thinking, Discrete Mathematics, Culture & Ethics, Speech, Biology and Earth Science, Finite Math and Algebra (w/ Set Theory and Matrices), Western Civilization (from ~10kbc to present) Databases and even educational analysis of my own interworkings, coupled with my ongoing interest and self-teaching in Physics, Calculus, Finance, Race and Ethnicities, Western and Eastern Civilization, Biology, Chemistry, Politics, and Religion *then* I'd have to say facts are domestic to me. Keep mouthing off I'll put you back in the hole you climbed up from.

[@corbert13]

One suggested change - the word "skepticism" should be "denialism"

[@CROAiva]

imagine having a mother that goes on national tv and treats you like you have the worst disease ever...

[@CROAiva]

i would cry and think im dying tbh

[@juanaguilar37]

Could we expect anything different? People started taking medical advice from celebrities and politicians over medical professionals.

[@megan1570]

i find it funny how this is still an issue three and a half years into the future. something that i find absolutely hilarious is that would rather have a "normal child" with the very real risk of them dying or getting terribly sick than a child with autism.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

megan Vaccine Expert Confirms Depopulation Agenda kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJi9dYypZdV0gcU

[@siobhanbradley9244]

Im doing a science degree and this annoys me so much, I think anyone who is considering not vaccinating their child should actually be made to sit into a microbial immunology class and then see how vaccines actually work and the effects of what no vaccines do to a population. It's people not being properly educated and hearing like things like "autism" and "mercury compound" and just freaking out without knowing the full details and then preaching about the dangers of vaccines without knowing any thing about vaccines. Like unless they can tell me exactly in scientific terms how a vaccination causes autism I don't want to hear it.

[@tanwenxi4316]

Even if you give them a class, I doubt they will understand a single thing you are saying because of their stupidity.

[@lunarmartian3840]

Siobhan Bradley well said.

[@millertime97jm]

I'm autistic. Have been autistic since I was born. And let me tell you, even if vaccines DID cause autism, which I highly doubt, It's not that bad, people. What, you'd rather give your kid measles and polio rather than autism? Unlike autism, Measles and polio can be spread to other people. Think of all the people you could potentially be making sick or even killing. Don't hesitate, and vaccinate your kids already.

[@Anonymous-eo2er]

Agreed. Even if there was a chance of Autism (which there is none), would you rather have a child with autism or a child that isn’t alive..

[@shannond7437]

How did we get to this point, where personal belief is more powerful than science? No more concerning words spoken!

[@illbeyourstumbleine]

I read a post that said something to the affect " I would rather my child die of measles and be with our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ than have to live through their life with autism." As a parent to a child with autism I would love to meet that lady and tell her my son is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I would like to tell her that though he may miss some social ques he is about to graduate this year with a 3.8 and just got into his top 2 picks for college. He is not only the light of my life but everyone that knows him. Yes, it has been a long battle. Yes, many tears have been shed by my husband and I at the end of long days when homework would take us 4 hours in elementary school or the days we were trying to get him verbal. I know our story has a different ending than some and our son has made some big leaps and some children like my cousin's daughter never do. Every child with autism is special and loved and a blessing to their family. Just like every child with Down Syndrome or Rhett's ect. To say our children would be better off dead and therefore our lives would be better off without them...I say to you this world would be better off without people like you in it. Love Mason's proud Mom

[@dooterscoots2901]

We have the best thing ever created in your hands then you throw it away because of one badly researched paper uhh...

[@luvmyboxers72]

How are they allowed in school without vaccines? In Canada they are mandatory to attend school.

[@oliviamartini9700]

Fellow Canadian here and the scary thing is that many parents will lie about it. You now enter the info online (as opposed to the yellow vaccination booklet) and it is seldom checked. Same thing with forged Covid vaccination papers - people I know personally have traveled the world with them, resulting in one being in intensive care for a month. Terrifying stuff, eh?

[@spek1174]

What about fast foods and all this other gut flora killing foods etc. why not work on getting rid of all these damaging foods and start promoting building a healthy body and immune system?

[@samuelsparks8114]

Lool, draw a circle around a whole foods

[@gawkingwimp]

Whenever my mom hears that a parent didn't vaccinate their children she asks this question Would you rather have your child dead (due to one case of autism where some adults don't want to inject "deadly fluids" into their babies) or alive with the "risk" of autism

[@waifu_png_pl6854]

yeah because of vaccines

[@jacobqyv]

this aged well

[@georgecobble5688]

What about all the people born with mental problems before vaccines...My question is there a real 100% link to autism ....I know someone born in 1941 with a mental problem. He never had any vaccines nor did his parents...Smallpox,Polio , can be deadly..or crippled for life....I had a cousin at age 14 could run & play. Then one day he woke-up and couldn't walk and never did again. Passed away at 69...

[@tracksuut3343]

even if vaccines caused autism, would you rather your child be autistic, or dead?

[@ilovechika1]

I’m dead scared of needles and shots, but even as an adult when the vaccine I had for pneumonia wore off and I was put in the hospital for it this Christmas so not only is vaccines you take as a child important but also keeping track of when you need a new one.

[@filtered2824]

1 year old Anti-vax kid: starts crying Mom: Look like your having a midlife crisis

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Filtered Vaccine Expert Confirms Depopulation Agenda kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJi9dYypZdV0gcU

[@jakeneedsaccess6670]

“We take a map and stick a pin wherever there’s a Whole Foods and draw a circle around it and that’s where we’re gonna have problems”

[@marijkecuffe5488]

When I had my first child and eldest son 16 years ago I had no clue that choosing not to vaccinate your child was even a thing. I knew that some people due to severe allergic reactions/compromised immune systems/ etc could not receive vaccines and relied on herd immunity for survival, I knew that was very very important, and I knew it was my responsibility to do anything I could to protect my child and the world around him. All this I knew, but I couldn't comprehend the personal impact until my son got severely ill when he was 9 months old. He had measles and it almost killed him. I found out later that he'd caught them from a family I nannied for from time to time. I knew the children had come down ill a day after I had last watched them, but the parents never saw fit to tell me what they had (I assumed the flu because it had been going around) nor did they ever see fit to inform me that they chose not to vaccinate their children. I never even knew to ask because to me it was just a given that you vaccinate unless there is a medical or religious reason not to.

[@cindy846]

Even a religious reason... To me evoking religious reasons not to vaccinate is the same as any other anti-vaxxer argument. Medical reasons, period.

[@samday414]

“My science is Evan” one child’s experience does not constitute a scientific study.

[@evacope1718]

Great, now here in NZ Auckland about 1000 confirmed cases of measles as of the last 2 months. This is what happens when people become self righteous in their beliefs

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Eva Vaccine Expert Confirms Depopulation Agenda kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJi9dYypZdV0gcU

[@margyb7469]

@@hummingbirdbumblebee4618 It's near impossible to educated the brain washed, they are to lazy to do any real research because the believe the talking heads on tv. Never mind the facts that the media, tv is own by a handful of people so everything you see and read from media is scripted by the controller so the truth is never heard.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Eva, read about placebos and their possible negative effects on those people that believe that they are fragile biological physical beings. Placebos are our own belief systems at work. Placebos work because our thoughts are images. We are holograms. We are eternal electrical holographic beings proven by quantum physics. See and read that in the book "Hands of Light" written by the physicist Barbara Brennan.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

@@margyb7469 I had to have a NDE or near death experience that kept me anti social to be able to read a huge amount of books. This is the plan my soul has created. My books say I AM my soul, my electrical soul that is ONE with all other souls..

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

@@margyb7469 Yep, I have read all of that. I call the laziness all the chemicals

[@HawkinaBox]

As someone with Autism, it would personally be worse to have a child with Down Syndrome. Autism is a difficult thing to live with, but people always look at the severely autistic kids rather than the high functioning ones.

[@notareallin620]

"We vaccinated our baby, *AnD sOmEThiNg HaPpeNeD* " Yes. Your baby lived.

[@Andresfin]

I have Autism and honestly seeing that people would rather have a child die of a horrible and preventable illness rather than be like me or my friends is crushing. We aren't monsters or less human than someone without Autism.

[@zelahfines6535]

As I said to someone else, autism is a spectrum and different for everyone. Autism can be devastating and to pretend like it isn’t makes you very privileged.

[@Garbeaux.]

Who would have thought when this was released there would be an even bigger debate about an even more controversial vaccine that turned political?

[@ingridaguero6460]

I really want to see the mom who lost her son and Jenny McCarthy talk. For the mom it would be a talking but for Jenny it would be an argument

[@Regrettable-Username]

The 12 person study was so flawed, he lied and changed info on the kids! It has lead to the death of so many children and I curse his name! 🤬

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

reg Vaccine Expert Confirms Depopulation Agenda kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJi9dYypZdV0gcU

[@mcoates3649]

Listen I'd rather be autistic than dead before the age of five by a preventable disease

[@MagMaybe]

I love how no scientists or doctors always act like they know more than actual scientists or doctors....

[@Tyrunner0097]

As a man with Autism, who has his own place to live, a college degree, and a good career in Human Resources, this arguement offends me deeply. For these parents, they imply, whether they meant to or not, that autism is a WORSE fate than dying of measles, polio, whooping cough, chickenpox, hepatitis and more. This is very insulting to me and to all the rest of us with autism. WE ARE PEOPLE! HUMAN BEINGS! The fact that there is such a stigma with autism that parents think it's a fate worse than death is an INSULT ON ME. JUST BECAUSE MY BRAIN ACTS IN A WAY THAT ISN'T "NORMAL"???? I just hope these parents have the guts (Which they won't, the unaccountable cowards they are) to look their children dying of the measles in the eye and tell them, "Look on the bright side, at least you're not autistic!" There, I'm done.

[@Angel-fs6zl]

As a child of an antivaxxer, they honestly truly believe what they are doing is the only way to protect their children and there's no convincing them other wise. Luckily for me, where I live, 16+ yr olds are in charge of their own medical decisions. I've been getting myself vaccinated but would get an earful if my mother found out.

[@Ehhhaway]

Did any one ever think Jenny McCarthy did this because it was her chance at fame and attention?

[@elizabeth3588]

Liz’s Lifestyle It’s like Tom Cruise with Scientology

[@jhopekpop7072]

" You put a pin near a whole foods and everyone within a one mile radius are going to have a problem" (lmaooo, that wholefoods comment killed me)

[@Ssylphie]

I HATE getting vaccinated (I don’t like needles) but I’ll take it over polio, measles, influenza, meningitis, HPV, you get the idea, any day.

[@olliemcilhagga6172]

Watching this in 2021 after getting my second dose of the COVID vaccine is so weird

[@michaelanderson9914]

if vaccines are safe then explain the childhood vaccine injury compensation act. why do the pharmecutical companies need legal immunity for something that is "safe"?

[@angelazulpo7566]

Has anyone on here actually studied why the whooping cough is on rise? The vaccine actually is leaving people asymptomatic, and can shed to babies! Don't beleive me! Study for yourself.

[@michaelanderson9914]

@@angelazulpo7566 meh, no one is dying from whooping caugh so the vaccine is pretty useless IMO

[@bloxshortsdaily971]

The antivax problem will fix itself.

[@trashmsp4518]

I'd rather have a healthy autistic child than one that's dead

[@thisismypointe]

I myself got wooping cough- at 14!! The CDC got involved and I was basically quarantined! I'm so glad that I took care of myself and didn't ( to my knowledge) spread it around, however I wish I had just gotten vaccinated lol

[@mattmystery1967]

You know whats worse than autism? Polio

[@FallingGalaxy]

Yep. And what's terrible is claiming a fear about vaccines causing autism when there has been literally zero cases of this happening. That's like fearing cleaning your oven because you think you might drown.

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

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[@kailenetram9522]

If you are anti vac, consider this. Would you rather watch your child slowly die of polio, meningitis, measles, smallpox, etc. or have autism?

[@icametopartyjp3673]

I had the whooping cough as a kid, several times. It is terrible, like it’s all I can remember as a young child really. I was really sick for a couple years, my tonsils ended up being my main source of returned sickness. I missed a lot of school and I remember spending a lot of days at home next to a humidifier and barking like a seal. The scariest part is waking up in the middle of the night choking and not being able to breathe.. but because your “barking” my mother would be up in an instant to be my saviour, she’d steam the bathroom up so my lungs could clear up. It’s like choking on water a little but your barking and it’s very very dry and you can’t stop. Drinking waster doesn’t do anything, your lungs are full of fluids your pretty much drowning on the inside. The only thing you can do is clear yourself with steam and make sure your intake of fluids is high. OR Vaccinate your children. I wasn’t lucky enough to have that chance, now your kids do! Don’t drown your kids.

[@TsukiNaito1]

"We stick a pin anywhere there's a Whole Foods and draw a ciricle around it." 😂😂😂😂😂 Sad but funny.

[@dianateabag]

Reports like this make me happy not to live in the us 😂

[@sleesullivan2796]

Don't be too smug. The worst argument I've every had about this is with a Christian lady from England. "The Gummant" puts stuff in the vaccines. She doesn't even use the autism argument. It's just mysterious and scawy.

[@aidanvaughan7433]

Here in 2021, this vaccine skepticism kinda screwing us

[@rileythealien6784]

People need to stop blaming vaccines and learn a little more about autism. Honestly I think that would change a lot of people’s minds

[@tylerdanku8889]

9:13 She must’ve just got done speaking to the manager of a grocery store 😂

[@hummingbirdbumblebee4618]

Tyler Vaccine Expert Confirms Depopulation Agenda kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJi9dYypZdV0gcU

[@rohanghoshdastidar1047]

jenny mccurthy can talk fast and loud and hits the emotional side of people, and that's why people believed her

[@Andresfin]

I feel so bad for her son.

[@phorteen3649]

That coughing baby makes me sad ;w; if my baby brother coughed like that I would cry every day ;-; No baby deserves to cough like that

[@nosyrosie3716]

I feel so bad. Children in the U. S. Southern states may not live to be adults, if the Federal government doesn't intervene with a mandatory law to have children vaccinate for no cost.