Vaccines and Autism: A Measured Response

[@ninjawiz7932]

As someone with autism I vaccinate regularly to increase my power.

[@b6b6b6b6b6]

same 💪

[@ARockyRock]

didnt work for me, instead of making me autistic I just got depressed and developed insomnia

[@yourresume373]

We shoot it like heroin 'round these parts

[@optillian4182]

I've been doing it for a decade and I've achieved fully automatic assault autism.

[@DeXyfero]

@@optillian4182faaa

[@professorgrimm4602]

The part about child abuse is actually sickening. Wakefield shouldn't have just lost his medical license. He should be in jail for assault and child abuse.

[@Yuti640]

HOW THE HELL IS HE NOT?!?

[@sev1120]

​@@Yuti640because he has money

[@NightLoveStar]

I think it's not widely known what damages the procedures he conducted can do unless you're a doctor, so it's likely these facts were never made loud enough to get legal action.

[@sigmaritearchlector5869]

Now say the same thing about John Money

[@masoncombs7799]

​@@sigmaritearchlector5869Who is John money?

[@DemiroseCrab]

I grew up very Christian and was told that my autism was caused by my parent's sins. For whatever reason, I deserve to be punished for things my parents did. And being told by everyone around me that I am a punishment for my parents was definitely very good for my mental health.

[@oost_javeln]

I really do not understand shitty people like that. Using religion as an excuse to be a terrible person deserving of hell.

[@gentlesoul221]

Fuck those people who said that about you. I have an autistic brother but there's no way I would consider him a punishment, or even that he's being punished. It just runs in the family on my dad's side. Becides, to quote Ozzy Osborne: "Why would you want to be normal?"

[@robokill387]

There are still pastors in the south who are saying that autistic people are possessed by demons.

[@OptimumTaurus]

oh my god, I'm so sorry, that is so cruel.

[@ButterStick64]

I’m so sorry to hear that. Keep moving forward, you’re gonna be okay.

[@dicegerry5127]

The colonoscopy thing is fucking insane. My dad had bowel cancer back in 2014 (he's all good, they caught it early and were able to operate) and so every two years he has to have a colonoscopy to make sure it doesn't come back, and he, a 50 year old man who has already dealt with something as painful as cancer, finds the procedure excruciating. As an autistic minor myself, inflicting that shit on young autistic kids whose parents don't even understand what is going on is completely unforgivable and Wakefield should be in prison

[@emmap6866]

I think the lumbar puncture is even more atrocious; my own dad had to get one once and he said it was the worst pain he ever experienced. He threw up on the way home and felt sick for days. I can't imagine what that would be like for a young child, autistic or not, especially when the procedure is unnecessary.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

​@emmap6866 the idea of a needle getting put in my spine makes my guts flex hard enough to give me abs.

[@emmap6866]

@@discipleofdagon8195 same, hope I never have to get this done. The thought of it makes me want to throw up lol

[@jam-the-hologram]

I recently had a endoscopy and a colonoscopy- I can't remember much of the actual procedure as I was put on general anesthetic, but I can remember the lead up to the procedure. And guess what! It fucking sucked! Days and days of limited diets and fasting and forced diarrhea and incontinence and my shit turning into a liquid. I can't fucking imagine putting TWO YEAR OLD CHILD through that shit when they didn't even know what the fuck was going on.

[@Nikkiflausch]

I‘m sorry if this is a dumb question, but why wouldn‘t go into fall anaesthesia?

[@itexplodes3824]

When we got our COVID shots, in school, the three of us, we were sitting there for the required fifteen minutes. We sat there in silence. Suddenly one of us, not me, my friend, turns to me with this shit eating grin on his face. The two of us turn to him. We stare at each other. Still grinning, he says "I can feel my autism getting stronger" and the three of us lose our minds laughing. We are all diagnosed. Life is, if not good, at least okay

[@InsoIence]

Cute slice of life, made me grin. Hope you guys have some fun adventures in life.

[@azealot-aka-azz]

This is *extremely* funny. Thank you for sharing.

[@zekova]

Thank you for that story. It warms my soul 🥹🩷

[@squibble08]

hehe, thats amazing

[@Levyafan]

LEVEL UP

[@NicoSavio2395]

To be fair, the risk of Alzheimer's does go up significantly if you are still alive

[@tanyaharmon6739]

And dying

[@elinquisidorperseverante6835]

@@tanyaharmon6739 Oh god you think that water isn't wet don't you lol

[@utisti4976]

Speaking of which, did you know that dihydrogen monoxide is the most lethal substance on the planet? Literally 100% of everyone who touches it passes away, it's absolutely insane!

[@roberttheguy4974]

@@utisti4976 yeah I cant belive they let that stuff be in so many food products and drinks

[@glitchwalker5422]

Risk of death is 100% for any human who is alive. The solution must be not to live!

[@starry-vi2kv]

My scientific research shows an overwhelming amount of cases where children with autism have contacted sunlight during their childhood. Therefore, sunlight causes autism. Thank you for coming to my show.

[@ShitkidOfJamrock]

Jesus christ that's terrifying, what alternative medicine can I buy to stop that bad thing from happening? And don't say sunscreen, I know that stuff is full of microchips and gay chemicals!

[@brook_angel]

​@@ShitkidOfJamrockbunker And if that's not an option financially: Basement

[@kaemincha]

Give this commenter a federal grant!!!

[@wwren]

Is that why I sneeze when I walk out of a building and see the sun? I knew it was the tism...

[@Kirkeyressa]

funny enough there's actually a viable theory that the sudden spike in near-sightedness is linked to those people having not seen the sun enough as children. well that and the sun actually causing, like, skin cancer. oh and autism, of course /s

[@TheGibbie]

I mean, it makes sense its caused by bowel disease, im autistic and my mom always told me i was a pain in the ass

[@juniperrodley9843]

massive skill issue on your mom's part tbh

[@TheGibbie]

@@juniperrodley9843 mom diff

[@stefanoelker542]

Hmm although your avatar does not exist you have a point!

[@stoopidgal]

No no he's got a point.

[@billylion3073]

this just gives me the shts

[@nuntiusmortis6927]

1) This isn't a video. That's fucking movie. 2) Brian Deer deserves a medal for exposing this.

[@boogiebutters6743]

Is there a equivalent medal for the "Presidential Medal of Freedom" in the UK?

[@LordJuzzie]

@@boogiebutters6743 Knighthood for services to journalism or something probably

[@ClaudiaNW]

Hbomberguy has completed his journey from gaming KZbinr to long-form documentary filmmaker.

[@ClaudiaNW]

@@boogiebutters6743 There's fucktons of them (we have a very complex honours system - peerages, orders of chivalry, medals and so on). But they're handed out to people the Tory government likes, not necessarily people who deserve them. A TERF even got an OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire) recently.

[@squibble311]

@@LordJuzzie petition to turn Brian Deer into Sir Brian Deer

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

I was born with autism, but I make sure to get all my shots to make sure I'm always running the latest version.

[@sofern2681]

AHAHAH

[@whatdoyouexactlymeanbyhandle]

Same here.

[@Boppercat]

Yeah running on the older vaccines can really affect your concentration and your memory. Always get the latest vaccine.

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

@Moonlight No, but every time I go to bed it prompts me to go get vaccinated first.

[@smthig]

Me waiting outside the vaccine store for the new autism drop

[@zion9344]

The fact that people forgot how bad measles is and decided that autism was somehow the scarier option really speaks to how effective the measles vaccine has been

[@Whiteythereaper]

It's also preying on Parents' worries that their child will be difficult & require more care & support by demonising Autistic people as a whole, treating them like lesser people that can't succeed in life. It's a wholly shameful ideology aimed at discrediting an entire subsection of people, writing them off as unintelligent & difficult leeches that can't contribute to society. It's a supremacist mindset aimed at scapegoating a genetic disorder. The lack of firsthand experience with Measles in the generation of parents that chose to forego the vaccine, as well as medical advancement, helped to upset the pros & cons and flip the narrative to support anti-vaxx sentiment and ingrain a sense of fear of neurological disorders & mental illness in an attempt to erase those disorders from public consciousness to cut social support for those disorders & abandon those that suffer to allow the "exceptional" people to succeed with less competition from those around them that get "unfair" support.

[@Think-dont-believe]

⁠@@Whiteythereaper not true

[@Think-dont-believe]

There is autism and vax injury being called autism.Elon is autistic.

[@pennyw2226]

And how stigmatized autism and other disorders are

[@LelandReview]

Brady Bunch aired a episode called ""Is There a Doctor in the House" to dispel the irrational fear of germaphobic lunatics. They explained how measles is very mild for 99% of people. And its nothing to be feared.

[@elliottcoleman8225]

The point about parents not noticing their child's autism symptoms until after a vaccination reminds me of something I learned while learning ASL. Majority of all deaf people are born from hearing families, and a lot of them were not even known to be deaf for potentially years. Newborns can pass initial testing by accident or by the chance their deafness develops soon after, and parents just notice that their child isn't saying their first words, or is behind on certain social and cognitive developments. Babies are remarkably good at imitating hearing behaviors through their other senses, such as turning to you when you enter a room simply by smelling you or feeling the floor move, or knowing that someone is at the door by seeing the dog bark. People suspect that their child has some kind of developmental disorder until a routine hearing test reveals that they are totally deaf. This delay in accomodation for their deafness and being denied access to language is what causes cognitive and social disabilities in deaf people. Deaf people who come from deaf families who have access to decent education don't have these issues. I'm kinda surprised no one has claimed that vaccines cause deafness............ wait maybe they have...

[@CringyBoi42069]

What might be why people are less likely to blame vacancies for deafness is because our society has a better understanding of how the ear works then the brain and the fact that people can develop hearing problems later in life so our society is better with helping those people

[@wintermute9268]

I don’t have anything to say to this, I just want to say this is really interesting.

[@BriarBeeBenson]

I went through something similar but instead of my hearing being impaired it was my vision (and also autism and adhd but for the sake of simplicity I will ignore that). I was born in 2000 as a baby who was 2 whole months premature, and I guess that gave me pretty bad myopia since no one else in my family needs glasses for distance vision, only older family members need reading glasses. Whereas I can’t properly see anything that’s further than like 6cm in front of my nose. I now have -8 vision as it’s worsened over the years, but as a child it was -6 This went almost entirely unnoticed by my whole family save for my great grandfather who was a retried ophthalmologist who noticed that I couldn’t see anything and that’s why I stood so close to the TV or held things so closely to my face and why I got injured so often to the point where I was too afraid to run around and climb things like a normal toddler, but no one believed him because he was old and in my father’s words he “didn’t want to deal with that” even though on the NHS, for children under 16 glasses are free. So I spent almost 5 years of my life not being able to see basically anything clearly until my nursery/kindergarten teacher suggested to my parents that I had learning difficulties because I couldn’t read or write particularly well, but told them to at least visit an optician before considering neurological issues. That was when they finally took me to get a damn eye test and oh would you look at that! I desperately needed glasses! I’m someone who is now a visual development artist for video games and I can’t mentally visualise things in colour or in sharp detail, it’s all unfocused, and have basically no sense of scale or spatial awareness! This makes drawing and painting actually really mentally strenuous for me and it’s incredibly difficult for me to learn environmental painting or perspective, so I stick to things like prop design. I’m slower than all of my colleagues at my work so I have to work longer hours whilst being disabled in other ways so I burn out really easily which sucks! This makes my job really, really difficult but it’s the only thing I can actually do aside from writing, which in contrast comes very easily to me but it’s not an easy industry to break into or be in. Anyways, I partially blame this difficulty on not being able to see during my infant and toddler years! On people just not noticing or caring until it was merely suggested that I have learning disabilities! And even then my adhd and autism wasn’t noticed by anyone but my older sister until adulthood! No one listened to her either, omfg! I really wish I knew to what extent having these disabilities go unnoticed and unaccommodated as an infant and toddler has affected my cognition as an adult. Especially as an adult with a job as a visual artist

[@dakkyhue5800]

it’s so frustrating as an autistic person that people believe that getting a potential deadly disease is better than having autism. having autism can be hard at times, but i’m still a person and i’m not “broken” or “ruined”. autism has largely been villainized, and multiple autism organizations *cough cough autism speaks* have made it way worse.

[@thepanpiper7715]

See also "treatment/management" for most ofd the time that we've had a word for autism has consisted of "How do we make them act "normal"?" rather than "what support can we offer that will help them to live healthy happy lives?"

[@batwolfy7044]

Well lets be honest. Parents who believe that, shouldn't have children in the first place.

[@Memezuii]

I am autistic myself & I would rather stay as I am than die of a disease that otherwise I would never have gotten

[@djb1317]

It's not worth the risk at all

[@nathanr5737]

As someone w autism, I do feel broken. But I think that’s more of something I need to get over than rooted in truth

[@patriksmisans37]

something about a respected scientist calling him "a wanker and a fraud" just tickles me right

[@Noxedwin]

British officials only *act* boring and foppish. If that tickles you, I recommend you watch a couple of hot-button Parliament debates. We have an impressively prim parlance for "this shit's _wack,_ and you're a *_dick"._* It becomes a cultural, linguistic puzzle to figure out how to express a strong (often angry) opinion without resorting to superlatives and overt profanity.

[@sgmmk5]

Then I recommend you see the documentaries Vaxxed 1 and 2 which prove he is right. Hbomb liked to leave that part out of the video didn't he?

[@jack-a-lopium]

@@sgmmk5 Apart from that they are shown on screen at timecode @1:21:07. So maybe you don't have autism, but based upon that comment alone, I can tell you have an IQ somewhere south of 50, which is technically a disability. Don't suppose you're that kid in the beanie pretending to be autistic shown in several places, are you? I'd love to know more about that guy. If it's you, let me know, thank you!

[@Wayte13]

@@sgmmk5 What was he right about, exactly? You're the only one leaving something out here lmao. It's real obvious why your claims are always vague and backed primarily by emotional pressure

[@kostajovanovic3711]

​@@sgmmk5just 20 comments, weak.

[@Skip6235]

I love how Wakefield’s new boss was like “You know, Andy, you’re right! This does warrant more looking into! Let’s fund a giant study to check your work!” That’s a real power move

[@1Pidds]

And then Wakefield starts cartoonishly quaking in his boots and gulps "S-Study? Me no like study!"

[@leaffinite2001]

Its proper investigation!

[@ladylielac]

I'm autistic, and I rewatch this video every so often to bask in Hbomb's righteous anger at the anti-vax movement. Thank you for your compassion towards people like me.

[@daroachdoggjr420]

literally same this video is duch a big comfort for me and i have no clue why

[@FiksIIanzO]

This video has compassion towards everyone, even the anti-vaxxers risking lives of their children for the nonexistant "horrific threat" of autism. Refusing vaccines hurts everyone in the long run, and the _only_ people to blame for it are Wakefield and his cohort of crooks. Everyone in the world is his victim.

[@Seritias]

Wow that Brian Deer documentary sure sounds great, I just wish there was a worse summarized version of it with more factual errors

[@Sionweit]

Hahahahaha

[@scout6697]

Maybe a pyramid could read it to me. That would be good

[@heavyhauler426]

Let's watch a million ads along the way!

[@SpaceWoods]

Yah, and maybe have the narrator voicing over and reiterating the exact words said in that documentary!

[@KinoHiroshino]

I understood that reference.

[@pinknblackproductions]

Shout out to when HBomb says "I want Brian Deer to be able to track this video coming out on a graph of his book sales" and then in his plagerism video it turns out there was a rather impressive uptick in the book sales after this video came out. Sometimes dreams do come true.

[@walukirby]

HBomb? The bloons youtuber?

[@noviatoria2436]

Hell yeah

[@Marshall.R]

@@walukirby nah I think he's talking about that one guy who plays Minecraft or something idk

[@animeotaku307]

Deer also promoted this video on his social media.

[@Solinaru]

This is sander and stolen valor from Tommy Tallarico's work on creating the first YT essay.

[@luigiepic]

I know this has been said in the video and probably a lot in the comments, but as an autistic person I cannot express enough how absolutely devastating it feels to see real people say that they would rather their child die of a preventable disease than turn out like you.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Isn’t that crazy? Because they don’t want more work. I had an EX who said that if she gave birth to a kid with a disability she’d give it up and I was so shocked by that. I kept asking her year after year and she always said the same, until she said she’d be find with an autistic kid bc she found out she is 😂

[@nonyanae2]

​@@lindboknifeandtoolGlad they're your ex

[@luigiepic]

@@lindboknifeandtoolgod, that’s terrible. People shouldn’t have kids at all if they aren’t prepared for their kid to be disabled. I’m glad you’re not still with them.

[@yesterdayseyes]

You're insufferable to be around, violent, selfish, mean.... So, yeah.

[@anotherguy687]

I once had a """friend""" literally call me DEFORMED for having autism, then get annoyed *at me* for getting offended at the wording. I've also heard someone complain about another person with autism for admittedly shitty behaviour and actually pull a "well... you know, he DID have autism..." and again, was like "Hey, it's true though! I'm not wrong!" when I confronted them over it. This was a one-to-one conversation. He knew I had autism. He said it all anyway. And then there's of course the whole "hahaha that's autistic. Autistic screeching lmaoooo!" To many people out there, we are indeed a disease to cure, a deformity to erase if possible. You'd be amazed how pervasive that opinion actually is. We're not yet in the mental condition list that is cool to care about, unlike those poor ""socially anxious"" (socially maladjusted) straight white men ;-;

[@Brainrotteruwu]

I like how the ENTIRE movement is held up by a Popsicle stick of not researching what they believe

[@johnmartinez7440]

You can "research" to prove basically whatever point you want, nowadays, sadly.

[@witchy90210]

@@johnmartinez7440 well you can "prove" your point, but that doesnt mean its right.

[@meem6154]

I honestly think that if more studies were taken into other controversial topics that same issue would appear time and time again, people just not researching what they are referencing or believing in.

[@nofutureparttwo3811]

“This is not how a healthy society discusses its people” - this is such a profound yet simple observation. well done mate

[@afellowpotato]

I'm just replying so you can see how many likes you got

[@rabidvampdude]

“Autistic people are constantly accommodating to a world that refuses to accommodate to them” truer words have never been said

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

It's not that we weren't made for this world, but that the world was never made for us...

[@murrfeeling]

Remove the word "Autistic" and it sounds equally true, equally profound.

[@HoxMouse]

@@murrfeeling No, not really.

[@BigFatCone]

A fair chunk of autistic people are super non-accomodating.

[@honeybeerandom]

As an autistic person, I really have never heard a quote so accurate to my lived experiance.

[@Liduska]

what im getting out of the antivax movement is that some parents would rather risk having a dead child than an autistic one :/

[@bruhngl]

A lot of people draw that conclusion but I really don't think it's true. These people are so incredibly misinformed that they don't even realise this is the choice they are making. They don't understand that these horrific diseases are so life threatening because (thanks to vaccinations) they have been sheltered from the symptoms and they have been convinced that autism is some debilitating form of brain damage that can ruin their children's lives. These parents believe they are choosing the lesser of two evils and, unfortunately, many of them will only realise they were wrong once it's too late.

[@marte9346]

Considering the other types of bs the antivax people are usually into, they probably could have claimed that a vax causes homosexuality, socialism or atheism and things would have ended up the same.

[@gentlesoul221]

Correct. Sickening isn't it

[@secretjazz93]

not gonna lie, this is definitely me. If I wanted to have children, I would adopt. I don't want to spread my autistic DNA. I would not get them vaccinated. That's why I got a vasectomy, I don't want to spread my DNA or autism to others. I feel like it is the same thing as doing harm to someone, and I can't go for that.

[@clalam5241]

Yea almost like the prospect of having an out of control non verbal feral monkey scares some parents

[@Alex_Silverpen]

As an autistic person: we have always been around. We didn't just start appearing because of vaccines. In fact, I've heard a theory that Changelings- or, fae children that replace human children- were actually just autistic kids. The reason there seems to be a rise in autism is due to a few things: 1) we're better at recognizing and diagnosing it, and 2) the world is growing less and less accommodating for autistic people. It's so loud and fast and bright, it's no wonder autism is more noticeable now. The world isn't built for people like us. When the world is built against you, it's easier to see how you're different than the way society expects you to function.

[@brookejon3695]

And with more and more social situations 🤢

[@petercohen9600]

My dad, who is a licensed physician and (in my opinion) a very intelligent man, once described Andrew Wakefield as an "evil fucker".

[@VonSnuggles1412]

I don't know why, but in my mind he says that in a British accent

[@petercohen9600]

@@VonSnuggles1412 I'm sorry, but it's just not so.

[@Cam_Can_Play]

Smart Fella, your dad. Whereas Andrew Wakefield is a Fart Smella

[@idiomi8556]

@@petercohen9600 does sound it though

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

And that's a professional opinion!

[@TorrentialStardust]

Wakefield was saying that the cause of the autism was a “leaky gut”, meanwhile he was actually puncturing children’s intestines with unsafe colonoscopies. I know it doesn’t matter now, but that sounds related somehow

[@labmanatlarge]

Yeah especially because he poked so many holes in one kid that the kid was hospitalized in another hospital

[@swimmyswim417]

Might have something to do with that disease he was trying so hard to invent.

[@rheegret8405]

Nah probably just a coincidence

[@dirkmaes3786]

Hans Asperger sent nearly 800 children to their deaths in compliance with the Nazi Aktion T4 eugenics program.

[@moonsaves]

@@dirkmaes3786 Is this the classic "because a literal Nazi did something worse, that makes it okay" argument?

[@QuikVidGuy]

everyone keeps talking about how to "cure" autism or "prevent" autism, but the only time I hear about helping people with autism live our lives it's from people who think we never age beyond 7

[@TheSpeep]

Ironically, it's often those people who claim to have a "cure" for Autism that make life with it the hardest.

[@blarg2429]

@Chris Anderson You're a good person.

[@Lawnie]

Me, an autistic 30-year-old: *googles to find some tips on coping with being an autistic adult* Google: THIS IS WHY YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD DOES THESE THINGS HOW TO HELP YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD NEEDS THIS Me: please sir, we don't vanish when we hit 18 Google: AUTISTIC C H I L D

[@Cathartes223]

Uugh, this makes me so mad. I'm 35, and I can't stop thinking about how much better my life would be if I had help in dealing with basic skills like organization and cleaning and stuff. I don't have the first goddamn idea what I'm doing here, just any help at all and I could actually do something with my life.

[@TheHopperUK]

@@Lawnie lmao oh my god this is so familiar, I am an adult recently diagnosed with ADHD and it's the same there. I just want some coping tips, not to read an article that might as well be titled 'sorry your kid is broken, here's how to stop it being a problem for you'.

[@ladyalicent705]

“The only problem, is that it was not approved by the ethics board, but that doesn’t make it unethical!” Umm, YES! *YES IT DOES! THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT OF AN ETHICS BOARD!*

[@williamedge5130]

"The only problem, is that my restaurant failed a health department hygiene inspection, but that doesn’t mean it was an unhygienic environment!"

[@gentlesoul221]

​@@williamedge5130"the only problem, is that my car didn't pass emissions standards, but that doesn't mean it's destroying the planet." - higher up at VW (probably)

[@Frickerdoodle]

Okay so I'm going to play devils advocat for one whole second here- I believe the point he was trying to make is that not running it by the ethics committee first did not make the act inherently unethical, and that he would still get in trouble if he did something completely ethical under the watch of the ethics board. What he did was not rejected, he simply did not ask the ethics committee at all. That being said, what he did WAS unethical, which is most likely exactly why he didn't WANT to talk to the ethics board.

[@ladyalicent705]

@@Frickerdoodle “Listen, I know my recently opened restaurant has been making people extremely sick and sending them to hospital in life threatening conditions, but like, it’s not like my restaurant failed the hygiene inspection or anything, I just didn’t tell the hygiene inspectors that I was opening a new restaurant so they never did the inspection in the first place! And that’s like, not as bad as failing the test because who knows? Maybe they would have said it was really good if I hadn’t violated the law by not telling them! I just forgot man!”

[@williamedge5130]

@@Frickerdoodle I think that's a poor argument. Medical and scientific ethics in this sort of area are pretty strictly defined and drilled into you as part of our training. The ethics board is basing their decision on ethical standpoints he would have already known. When he says "it wasn't approved of" it means that the court determined that it he acted in an unethical fashion, not that he "didn't run it by them". Because you don't do that unless you're going into some strange new territory that your ethical training hasn't covered. And if he was going into that sort of area, there are absolutely people he could and should have worked with to determine the ethical ways of going forward.

[@oliviaabifarin4189]

“This is not how a healthy society discusses its people” is the the single best sentence I’ve heard

[@annajensen7360]

YES! As an autistic person I am so grateful that he brought this up! So many people who argue against antivaxx end up tacitly buying into, or at least not refuting, the idea that autism is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. It's disgusting, because even IF vaccines caused autism, I would rather be autistic than get measles. I consider myself a healthy, intelligent, and moral person, and yet people treat me like my very existence is a tragedy, and people (namely Auti$m $peaks) are currently researching how to prevent people like me from being born! It's horrifying to know that there are people who think I'd be better off dead, and that knowledge is a far greater "burden" than any of my autism symptoms.

[@fiddlecastro1453]

exactly, and the bullying aimed at people whom are pro-choice & don't want to get an infinite number of booster jabs is nothing short of disgusting.

[@squaeman_2644]

@@fiddlecastro1453 Did you see the Chinese people being publicly shamed a couple days ago? Legit coming to the West thanks to these real neo- Nazis.

[@toe_sucker_4165]

@@nenmaster5218 I want the recommendations (and am autistic).

[@frownyclowny6955]

@@nenmaster5218 It's called hyperbole, my friend.

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Wow. You didnt lie. It did in fact, get a whole lot worse.

[@diegorincon4673]

You know, this is the first comment from a KZbinr that didn’t already have 1000 likes. Nice channel by the way.

[@cato1024]

@@diegorincon4673 it's because it was just commented lol

[@randomtinypotatocried]

Didn't expect to see you here

[@zarabatanaproductions9240]

@@diegorincon4673 new comment, that”s why

[@kylewatson4193]

Love your vids man ❤️

[@archibaldround6025]

Watching this video 2+ years later and the best joke in the piece being the final line: "I will never put this much effort into researching a video ever again..."

[@nicoleleboeuf-little1048]

Was scrolling the comments precisely to see if this had been said yet, because, THIS.

[@myriasarvay2216]

Ditto

[@TheParadoxGamer1]

Glad we’re doing our annual hbomberguy marathon again

[@itchiegames]

oh i kno right? he probably read what 2-3 hours of stuff? who can ever read that much? in this tik tok world nobody can. its impossible. he literally did the impossible. reading and paying attention for more than 20 seconds. how could he do such a thing? you dont get it and neither do it. thats what makes it such a great joke right? because its super hilarious. i told it at the office xmas party and everybody was on the floor laughing. literally, they were laying and rolling on the floor laughing. i had to check on 1 of them to make sure they could breath because of how amazingly funny that joke is. you have a good sense of humor and arent a moron at all.

[@InsoIence]

@@itchiegames Not really amusing, even though you try hard.

[@rpgkingx3629]

What frustrates me about this whole movement is that it paints autism as some kind of death sentence. People like Wakefield is literally advocating for a kneejerk reaction to neurodivergency with words like “Neuropsychiatric Dysfunction” without an understanding of what it is and that’s really upsetting.

[@snartboy5000]

for real, it’s disgusting how many parents would rather have a dead kid than an autistic one

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

@@snartboy5000 Disgusting? It is utterly disturbing that those people care more about their own world-views than their children and we should prevent those people from having some in the first place since they would be horrible parents!

[@kyrazz128]

​@@Gaming.Gamer.It's that saying again, "every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child" or something like that

[@SolarSands]

It's kind of crazy how one greedy husk of a man can do so much damage.

[@hpqphpqp]

History in a nutshell

[@kolbyDenson5]

People will believe ANYTHING.

[@neoh-n]

Fancy seeing you here solar sands :)

[@Hopppp]

I like your shades

[@kestral63]

Capitalism breeds innovation in fighting progress.

[@Dukeofnachos]

Something interesting to me as an autistic person is the fact that anti-vax parents who are terrified of autism rarely seem to even know what autism is. They talk about it like it's a shadow monster lurking in the darkness and waiting to snatch up their kids in the night. For half of them it doesn't even occur to them that autistic adults exist and have lives of their own. Honestly most of them talk about autism solely as a burden on them and not something that their children will have to deal with their entire lives. Their definition of autism boils down to "a bad thing that will happen to me" and not "a condition my child might have". That's weird, isn't it?

[@eabea]

it is weird that kind of solipsistic egoism is very prevalent amongst parents and researchers, unfortunately. autism is talked about as a bad thing that happens to allistic people

[@TheDude90100]

"Autism parents" are the absolute worst. I'm talking specifically about the ones you can find over at Autism Speaks, who are purely evil quacks and just want pity for wasting all their precious time raising "damaged children".

[@zawrator4457]

Because they think level 3 autism, not level 1 what you are thinking.

[@YEs69th420]

@@zawrator4457 No they're just horrid, selfish people.

[@patrikpass2962]

Why do so many with autism have weeb profile pictures?

[@mlbest7000]

My aunt is a vaccine "skeptic" and constantly brings the Wakefield paper up, I personally like to remind her that no one has EVER shit themselves autistic

[@ohgodno1989]

"Shit themselves autistic" oh my god

[@GuiSmith]

That’s the funniest way to retaliate, I might have to use that

[@zanemcewen1343]

While the bacteria in your gut often can dictate how you feel in your brain (it's actually true, look it up) the bacteria in your gut doesn't dictate how your brain is wired/how you see the world. So while i can kinda see what he was going for, it's still fucking stupid.

[@Call-me-Al]

Not fun fact: some parents force their autistic kids to drink bleach (or give them bleach enemas) because they think that it's caused by intestinal parasites and they claim the shedded damaged intestinal lining is proof as "it looks like dead parasites! Must be dead parasites, then!". Chlorine dioxide (industrial bleach, often called 'Miracle Mineral Solution' among its proponents), however some other parents also force their autist kids to drink their own urine as autism cure, or some other dangerous chemical. So while shitting yourself autistic isn't a thing, parents making autist kids shit their guts out (too literally) in an attempt to "cure them" is a thing.

[@neuroatypicalkirby2]

as an autistic person i can say that i'm shitting myself autistic every time i consume dairy so take that

[@OnlyTheCloud]

Had a coworker name-drop Wakefield recently (I work in the US so it was a bit weird to hear his name) and start talking about how they were positive he was right about vaccines and autism. I asked them if they knew about the one doctor I heard of, that got caught being paid by a lawyer to push a class-action lawsuit in order to get vaccines approved, and how horrible of a conflict of interest that must be and how we should completely discredit that doctor and anything they did. The co-worker agreed completely, so I pretended to suddenly remember the doctor's name. Lo and behold, somehow it didn't count for Wakefield. Fucking hypocrites.

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

I'm sure you're not a hypocrite. So do we wanna talk about the adjutants in the vaccines or are we gonna pretend that the main and only claim is about autism? Which way buddy? Intellectual honesty or the straw man you are so fond of beating?

[@Bomtoutwood]

My parents didn't give me the MMR as a child because of the Wakefield effect. I'm still Autistic and I nearly died of Mumps last year

[@marocat4749]

Good you didnt. Parasocial hugs and validation.

[@Bomtoutwood]

@@marocat4749 Thank you friend. sending both back. Am fine now just a bit infertile

[@marocat4749]

@@Bomtoutwood Sorry

[@Drekromancer]

It's almost as though Autism Spectrum traits are genetically transmitted. Who knew? (This post brought to you by "my whole family has Autism" gang)

[@canislupus4655]

My mom nearly died of mumps as an adult because of an ineffective booster shot. She still has vivid memories of the experience and it breaks her heart hearing about people who refuse to vaccinate their kids. Glad you got through that and hope your recovery goes well.

[@chonkochonkaboo6352]

"Save the children" MY BROTHER IN CHRIST, would you rather have a kid who likes trains or a kid that died because of measles

[@chonkochonkaboo6352]

@@Weweta look, im autistic. i can very much say that being autistic is not worse than vaccine preventable diseases. collective immunity only works if a majority is getting vaccinated to protect the people who cant

[@CarpeVerpa]

​@Weweta Also an important factor is that vaccines don't cause autism.

[@meaj4556]

Mmmm...trains. 🚂 CHOO-CHOO!!

[@babs_babs]

easy choice. i pick the train kid

[@Sage_the_Turt]

*insert thomas the tallarico engine joke joke here*

[@bibliophilecb]

Brian David Gilbert’s narration with varying levels of bad British accents is my favorite thing ever

[@emilynelson5985]

As soon as I heard it the sound was unmistakable.

[@KaitlinGaspar]

OH MY GOD IT IS BDG I CANT BELIEVE THIS

[@Polarwolf98]

​@@KaitlinGaspar They are secretly the same person.

[@joaoruiz2577]

i want to believe that brian's only condition for appearing in this video was that hbomb said that horses aren't real

[@Jaydee-wd7wr]

@@joaoruiz2577, Both Hbomberguy and BDG have joked about having equinophobia in the past. Wether they actually do or not I’m not sure.

[@seanfrazee5146]

Its insane that as a middle schooler they had us disprove his original paper? Like how did the media instantly report the autism scare but not be like "Anyone who isnt fucking stupid can see this is bullshit"

[@magdaciechocka3076]

Media run on FOMO. Simple

[@magdaciechocka3076]

And also fearmongering for better ratings.

[@seanfrazee5146]

@@magdaciechocka3076 true, but I bet "This guy is incredibly stupid it's impressive" right in the middle of this controversy would've spread everywhere

[@lotuseater2184]

Imagine being the media reporter who has to say, "Sorry, we have to concede our previous statement regarding this issue as new evidence has been found disproving it/violating the integrity of the statement." Your ratings would plummet. All of your more loyal viewers would stop trusting you as credible sources of information if you admit that you were wrong.

[@seanfrazee5146]

​@@lotuseater2184 Yeah probably

[@SecretAgentYaya]

"Bowel Disease from MMR turning the children Autistic" is the prequel to "Chemicals in the water turning the frogs gay" I never wanted.

[@FaCiSmFTW]

Read about atrazine and frogs. Jones was actually right about that one

[@stevealexander1041]

The dumbass extended universe.

[@oof5992]

The frogs was actually real for once.

[@zRhid]

@@FaCiSmFTW Like a lot of what he says, its in some weird convoluted way based in truth, but he's twisting the hell out of it to sell you "brain force" or whatever

[@FaCiSmFTW]

@@zRhid Yeah for sure. It's always a good idea to research independently even though it might take a long time. That goes for the v thing as well don't just watch this video, read about what dissenting doctors have to say rather than fearful mothers.

[@iacopo538]

Incredible how the first American, Tommy Tallarico, created such a fantastic documentary on the MMR scare. Thanks, Tommy.

[@ethanmoras6440]

His mother’s very proud

[@mell7249]

I thought that was James Somerton?

[@icedlava7063]

@@mell7249 James Somerton was the first gay American to talk about Tommy's documentary. Hope this helps.

[@giac464]

@@icedlava7063don’t forget, he was also famously held hostage by a group of savage straight women!

[@dontaejones7419]

​@@giac464*straight white women

[@elle1107]

A friend of mine - born in eastern Europe in the 90s - did not receive a polio vaccine and they did get infected as a toddler. They now use leg braces and sometimes a wheelchair for mobility. They always say, "Everyone thinks it's gone, but I'm one of the unlucky few." It's a very real reminder, for me, that vaccines have an impressive success rate in improving the lives of people everywhere.

[@Wolfhammered]

Yes, Polio did. But not all of them do.

[@cjboyo]

Not to even mention that many people who survive polio seem to recover and then many years later develop those same mobility issues!

[@hazelsingh3887]

@@WolfhammeredIf you didn’t watch the video just say so dude.

[@HoneycuttVideos]

I came back to this video after watching Plagiarism and You(Tube) and observed a really striking commonality in how both Andrew Wakefield and James Somerton defend themselves: they use other people as shields. The implications in how Wakefield says, “WE believe- we trust in the parents’ story” is so similar to how Somerton said “If someone is accusing me of plagiarism, they’d be accusing NICK of plagiarism, and I won’t tolerate that.” Both of these men knew they were lying to people who trusted them, and would hide behind the people they’d worked with to try to make themselves look better. “If you’re accusing ME of lying, you’re REALLY accusing this other person of lying, and they’d NEVER lie!” It’s so scummy.

[@przemog88]

So? I can use this analogy for literally anything. Also, vaccines are much less dangerous than actual catching virus/bacteria. That is a kniwn fact for a long time. Every anti-vaxer is either ignorant or a liar.@@kushal1206

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

They're both narcissist which can't admit wrongdoing

[@desertdesk]

“WE created the Roblox oof. mymotherisveryproud.”

[@1998_MIN]

Tallarico also changed to "we" in his fudged stories in the complete opposite direction. Using a first person collective pronoun like that is so often used as weasel words to either assign oneself credit or afford oneself of culpability

[@pastelguts6182]

"This isn't skepticism. This is ignorance trying to _sound_ like skepticism." Such a good quote Hbomb. I'm not even joking, more people need to be aware of that.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

This is one of the biggest problems we face in today's world.

[@JC_923]

That's why the climate "skeptics" are not real skeptics. They are just denialists.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

@@cowmath77 This just sounds like the conspiracy theorist mindset when science doesn't say what they think is true. An excuse that dismisses how science *actually* works, making up scenarios that belies a lack of understanding of the subjects so they can keep their beliefs and never have to question them. "I'm right, it's just being suppressed because science doesn't want to be wrong!"

[@Wh40kFinatic]

@cowmath77 Yet science consists of institutions, individuals and countries from all across the world, scrutinizing and criticising each others' work. Are you trying to argue things like vaccines are dangerous, anthropogenic climate change is a lie and stuff like that? Perhaps I misunderstood.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

@@cowmath77 I guess the way I should word it is; do you think scientific consensus is a lie?

[@tracyblanchard7663]

God, that section on what Wakefield did to those kids was fucking sickening.

[@Tarantulah]

God, I'm almost in tears. What a genuine monster

[@morekindnessnow9231]

Yeah, it made me cry

[@electricbluetiramisu3713]

I just heard the list (colonoscopies and lumbar punctures? Lumbar punctures!! Why tf encephilograms?!?! I fear the sedation was a kindness to them despite the scary disorientation it would cause) and so I’ve had to pause it while I process all that horror so now I’m here scrolling the comments

[@alliandrablack7751]

@@electricbluetiramisu3713 I can't get over fucking lumbar punctures... On five year olds! WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT!? It's reprehensible...

[@KitOfTheWeirdWoods]

I literally felt faint at that part, I can't imagine a kid having to go through that. Actually a good thing that his sample size was so small.

[@liveangel93]

"I'm never putting this much effort into a video again" You say that, but we all know in 6-8 years time, you'll be releasing Horses: A Measured Response, and it will be a 4-hour epic with production values that Hollywood studios would envy.

[@FoxyNinetails]

Great, now I actually want that 😂

[@ExhaustedWombat]

We aren’t going to be here in 6-8 years, come on.

[@InShortSight]

Im holding out for the 30 minute aside on long horses.

[@duwan8260]

We'll be underwater living in Ben's aquaman house fighting seahorses in 6-8 years time.

[@Daneelro]

And we will sit down thinking it's too long and say to ourselves we'll only look at the first five minutes, but we'll watch it in one sitting.

[@mahadkhan878]

Damn this is technically the first of the "documentary about a normal topic turns into this guy fucking sucks" trilogy

[@Batchall_Accepted]

Lmao I never made that connection before you're right lmao

[@emalaw1329]

Andy, Tommy, and Jimmy: the Avengers of Lying and Making Shit Up for Money and Clout

[@killer_queen4062]

​@@emalaw1329 which one was jimmy?

[@emalaw1329]

@@killer_queen4062 Somerton

[@timob1681]

In all fairness, Andrew Wakefield was already very well known as a con artist and disgusting man. Hbomb didn't really discover anything new about this issue like he did for the other two

[@HamsterVormFenster]

There is sufficient anxiety, in my own mind, that Tommy Tallarico's mother is proud of him.

[@DistortionUltra]

hahaahahahahahahaha Fucking underrated comment of the year

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Turns out Andrew Wakefield is an alias for JOEY KURAS ITS ALWAYS JOEY

[@notpsicoh2107]

@@theautisticguitarist7560 aw come on don't compare Joey to one of the most evil persons I have ever heard of :(

[@jeremylayman3684]

@@notpsicoh2107 Yeah, Brain Deer and Joey are heroes, while Tommy's alias while in the medical industry is Dr. Fudenberg. His mother is very proud. Not of him, of course, but in general.

[@SesshyLover777]

Shit this is AMAZING

[@Dliciousization]

What's fun is when I first started university, I distinctly remember my professor gave us all a handout saying it was a published scientific paper, and our homework was to read it and jot down what things looked good, what things looked bad, and to write a short analysis of the work and what we thought of it. It was Wakefield's paper. The next day our professor pulled it up on her computer with the giant red REDACTED all over it and explained what happened with the paper, and the entire class was about our analysis, understanding good science from bad, and learning how to be more scientifically literate by not just taking what a paper says for granted. I'll always remember that class, it felt empowering and really helped to form who I am as a scientist today. So I guess that's one good thing Wakefield contributed to the world. But really, I'd rather this just not have ever happened and we learned the same values some other way. I dunno, I thought you might be interested in knowing that.

[@Mish844]

I wouldn't mind if you shared a few bullet points of what's worth paying attention to.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Awesome idea. Bad science isnt obvious to most people. I really wanted to get into scientific technical writing, I found the prospect of reading and researching a scientific paper in order to make it digestible to the masses very appealing. Then I realized my real job would be sugar-coating problems with scientific research for some board of assholes to read and try to find ways to work around. Which put a huge damper on my dreams lol

[@GuiSmith]

@@Mish844 From what I’m familiar with, and what I’ve heard doctors and researchers in general say, this was a textbook case of three big red flags: small sample sizes, a unique and distinct observation, and ulterior motive. Alternative medicine is _riddled_ with these in whatever they’re calling “studies” or collected testimonials these days.

[@QBG]

Sounds like a great professor!

[@Dliciousization]

​@@Mish844 Probably the biggest thing to look at is how the experiment was set up and executed. There should be a clear hypothesis stated and an experiment designed to test that hypothesis without bias. It can be tricky to catch some smaller details but it's important that scientists take great care to ensure that outside factors that may also influence the hypothesis are accounted for (which is also why having a good control group is super important), and a larger double blind study with lots of people is going to yield stronger results than a small study with little experimental data to work with. Obfuscating data results or not being detailed in how you collected your data screams bad science. Another thing to look out for is a thing called p-hacking. There is a p value in a lot of statistic based studies that is basically an evaluation on if your data supports the hypothesis or not by chance, and really anything over 0.05 (so greater than 5% chance) isn't taken seriously. But some studies will run an experiment and test for a bunch of different things at the same time, and eventually you'll end up with a value that matches something that on paper is statistically significant even though you just threw a bunch of shit at the wall. That's how you get weird bullshit like how eating chocolate makes you lose weight. Essentially, it's fudging data in a way that the system may not initially recognize, but it's easy to spot once you know to look for it. A study citing really old studies with super outdated claims and data is also a huge red flag. You have to do a lot of extra digging though. A few older references can be fine because a lot of science holds up, but if they are citing a bunch of old weird shit then it's a huge red flag. Looking at the authors that they cite is also a good idea because you can catch some of these batshit crazy people being cited to support a bullshit claim which will hurt the credibility of the citing author and the article they wrote. Other things like begging the question fallacies can also pop up here and there. Note that a lot of stuff that is peer reviewed and is published in revered journals are not likely to have much of any of this stuff. You'll find a LOT of this kind of thing in bunk science and journeying away from the world of peer review will create a whole host of red flags similar to this.

[@amazingandrew4328]

I learned that correlation ≠ causation in high school. It alarms me that grown adults haven’t learned that yet

[@nickbell8353]

They probably thought that their teachers made them cite their sources and do rewrites because they were "mean."

[@juliebogen1797]

I feel like media coverage of scientific studies really perpetuates this; they’ll hear “study showed potential correlation between A and B” and then all the headlines are ACCORDING TO NEW STUDY COFFEE PREVENTS CANCER

[@thomasneal9291]

@@juliebogen1797 100% correct. science journalism in the popular press has been handled TERRIBLY for quite literally as long as science journalism has existed. You'd think they would have learned to be more responsible by now, but you'd be wrong.

[@ishathakor]

@@nickbell8353 realistically, they probably didn't have to do anything where they cite sources in the first place.

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

​@@thomasneal9291It's just a matter of for profit behaviour. For profit science journalism wants clicks, not to inform people.

[@eddyslippycreps3546]

my dad split my MMR vaccine into three because of this. jokes on him , still autistic 😎

[@Alpha-zb8sp]

Make sure to get MMR anyway, they threw in lots of bonus features in that release/jk

[@keltai83]

I never got the MMR as it hadn't been invented when I was that age and I still have autism! It can time travel! People need to be told- Though seriously, I prob need to check I'm still current, I have small nieces and you just know they have classmates with antivax parents.

[@CabereaWoof]

My mother is an anti-vaxxer so me and my brothers weren't vaccinated. We all have autism. By applying Wakefields research methods to this, I have concluded that vaccines are able to prevent autism. Can I be paid millions of dollars for my 'research' now, or do I need to publish a book first?

[@ninjasolidsnake]

You need to get a publicist too. Regardless of your current profession.

[@AnimatedTerror]

Also a shady lawyer to help finance your work is usually recommended but not required.

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

You are just as, if not more, credible than Disgraced Doctor Andrew Jeremy Wakefield. I applaud your commitment to science, how much money can I give you to pretend to go do a study about this?

[@CabereaWoof]

@@ithinkflutterawesome6511 I will gladly accept anywhere between the range of excessive and ludicrous amounts of money in exchange for me doing nothing and saying I did.

[@ava_marie_v]

@@CabereaWoof Oh my gosh, my aunt is antivax as well, and all of her kids are neurodivergent (two with autism, three with ADHD). I would love to volunteer them for this highly scientific study.

[@IAmNecroplanter]

"if youre lying, then your book is also lying" is so underrated. good on that reporter.

[@LostStarzOfTheSky]

sometimes you really gotta just say "No I don't believe you cause you're a lying liar that lies"

[@salt7456]

You mean Anderson cooper? I don’t watch a lot of cnn but I at least know his name.

[@brookejon3695]

That's one of the few killer moments from the best TV personality CNN has. I wish he was better.

[@wr2899]

@@salt7456are you American? Because that could, in theory, mean you’re more likely to recognise an American broadcaster, on an American platform, on an American network.

[@tortis6342]

@@salt7456 I don't watch much CNN either, I just remember he always used to be on whatever channel my parents would put on to celebrate New Year's.

[@wkadams88]

"This isn't skepticism. This is ignorance masquerading as skepticism." Mic drop moment.

[@talesfromthenuzlocke1619]

That’s Bill Maher in a Nutshell

[@phnexOice]

I call it neo skepticism, it's being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical, not to actually find answers about anything. It also often involves blindly believing conspiracy theories, and often involves individuals refusing to actually acknowledge evidence. Pretty much the entire modern internet "skeptic" movement can be described like this

[@RonnieD1970]

Cynicism

[@sealevel5961]

​@@phnexOiceI thought the basis of skepticism was asking questions that require too much time and effort to address. Then acting like you're right when your philosophical or political opposition gets pissed off enough to ignore you. You know? Like a six-year-old in math class that insists on being told why 2+2 is 4. And explains that not being given an explanation is tantamount to indoctrination.

[@DrTssha]

@@phnexOice It's like these people never learned that skepticism is a discipline (that requires careful and methodical research, and a reliance on established sources of evidence) and simply took on the colloquial definition of skepticism (i.e. expressing doubt) and thought that'd be enough to claim the prestige of the title of skeptic! Never confuse skepticism for doubt, people.

[@theotv5522]

I remember during Wakefield's testing on the children, the nurse's voices were basically discarded, simply because at the time, people for some reason held higher regards to doctors than nurses. In my country, nurses were considered doctor's "errand runners" and nothing more. As a nurse myself, I feel bad for the ones who were forced into doing these tests. Because if anything goes wrong, the whole team will be reprimanded. You can't just pin the fault onto 1 person (Wakefield in this case) because at the end of the day, it was you that was in that surgery, and you could have walked away. Peer pressure in the lab is legit.

[@nfinn42]

The same paradigm still applies in vet med. Techs are seen by the public as glorified dog-holders and not as educated & credentialed professionals. :/

[@Mechadude32]

I think one of the worst things about Wakefield's "I took blood from my kids friends at their birthday party" is that it got *laughs* at whatever conference he was at. People heard this man admit that he bribed his children's friends to take their blood and thought "yes, haha, this is not concerning at all and is in fact quite funny". I legitimately can not believe that reaction.

[@nerdyneedsalife8315]

I'm surprised it took this long to find a comment similar to yours. That was creepy, why laugh at that.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

Yeah, like... malpractice and/or unethical behaviour is hilarious apparently...

[@hedgehog3180]

Yeah exactly like he said that one fucking fainted like what the fuck? How much do you have to hate children to find that funny and not utterly terrifying. That's something you'd expect to come out of the mouth of a fucking SS officer not a ex-doctor.

[@hope-cat4894]

Did they believe him at first? I would laugh thinking it was odd medical humor. Or that he was making it sound weird on purpose for comedic effect. If they did believe him, the laughter might have been uncomfortable, uneasy laughs. If not, then that's an issue. 😬

[@ccgarciab]

I normally don't get physical reactions at this kind of things, and even Wakefield's acts just caused me indignation. But the laughs were nauseating.

[@calamitysangfroid2407]

"Doctor who did a lot of stolen drugs announces he's cured autism" sounds like an Onion headline. EDIT: as people have pointed out, the subheading would be "Claims his bone marrow is the magic fix-it to developmental disorder, illegal tests done on children show promising results."

[@concon09090]

Don't forget the bone marrow thing.

[@FirstLast-zo9xg]

“Drug addict announces his cure to autism”

[@somethingisverywrong]

@@FirstLast-zo9xg "It's my Bones!"

[@SophiaSanders61]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@randys2669]

Omg the bone marrow thing wasn't a joke he really said it

[@lilypads17]

"do you believe autism can be cured?" "yes" ah damn. he got us yall. we've just been staying autistic for like no reason

[@juniperrodley9843]

Nahhhh I have a good reason; *we haven't gained access to his marrow yet...* soon... the drill is working away....

[@kiralonely1307]

@@juniperrodley9843 Slurp that magic bone marrow.

[@omidm.935]

@@juniperrodley9843 EAT THE BONES BECOME FREE

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@omidm.935 eat the bones become expensive.

[@Christian-mt5jx]

I am wondering how that guy even goes to conferences. Is he not scared someone will drill into his bone marrow to try to 'cure' their child.

[@Skip6235]

This is the start of the trend of HBomberguy trying to make an interesting 15 minute long video about something and then realizing that the rabbit hole is fucking MASSIVE

[@Skip6235]

Also: “I’m never making a video like this again” was definitely a lie

[@At65461]

What rabbit hole

[@bazooka544]

brian deer is an unsung hero, jesus christ. i can't imagine how many people would have died without his reporting.

[@xZombieJoe]

??? He has won awards for his work, he is a very sung hero

[@ipadair7345]

@@xZombieJoe not to the common man, I only knew about this great person today.

[@cnvrgnt]

And without him I never would’ve had the best laugh I’ve had in a while when I found out that his reporting causing Wakefield to sue him led to him having access to the unredacted documents from the infamous ‘study’. Nothing short of glorious

[@TheCooldog]

Literally the British Commander Shepard.

[@DrGandW]

Every move he made was satisfying

[@CelynBrum]

As an autistic person, I appreciate the part where you explicitly point out how screwed up it is that the MMR furore depended on people believing autism to be a fate worse than death. I for one very much appreciate not being dead. :)

[@berjanbeen7188]

There's also other possible disabilities and long lasting issues that can arise from these diseases. Such as deafness and blindness

[@DrTssha]

@@berjanbeen7188 Indeed. So skipping these vaccines not only avoids a non-existent risk of developing autism, but the disease itself can cause disability! Truly we have all set our priorities in proper order. And yes, I am also autistic, and very much wouldn't change it for the world. Had a tetanus booster some years back, didn't know I needed one of those. Glad my doctor keeps up on that stuff.

[@hithedragon7842]

Agreed

[@hedgehog3180]

At least the side effect of this is that now every single autistic person is a vocal and very loud supporter of vaccines.

[@mikafizz1022]

@@hedgehog3180 ooh good point!

[@jasparcowley-grimmond91]

wakefield paper is so easy to debunk it was an exercise in my first year of university

[@MagickalDistruction]

We did it in introductory classes to bio at my uni Lolol

[@JamieDoyle8]

It was used as an example of a conflict of interest in a level (may have even been GCSE) biology, like it’s that obvious

[@rix_horizon494]

Same

[@ezekielrohde9074]

The fact that college kids regularly debunk this is so funny, that's almost enough to debunk it on it's own 😆

[@michaelhird432]

Imagine that being your legacy; being debunked as an excercise for students

[@amaristm]

are we considering the fact that vaccines hurt and your baby is probably mad because Arm Hurty

[@juniperrodley9843]

skill issue

[@GuiSmith]

Getting a vaccine is practically a test for autism. An autistic baby won’t have any behaviours that only come from social reinforcement because they don’t care. They’re in pain, more likely to experience more pain, and still young enough to hardly know what pain feels like. They can’t cope. They have meltdowns and/or stress induced burnout-regressions. They might just not trust their caregivers as much anymore. Said person/people brought them to a Hurty Place and then brought them home while they continued to hurt, probably told by the doctor, “It’s normal to cry, you can try infant Tylenol if the area gets hot to the touch,” so folks assume their kid should be fine but the baby is not doing well inside the autistic brain. It’s invisible disorders at play; they just haven’t puzzled together the symptoms yet.

[@Kora_Bronze]

BUT ARM HURTY​@@juniperrodley9843

[@mdstevens0612]

Pretty much. As a kid I hated getting vaccines, really made life difficult for my mom. As an adult I'm very thankful my parents went through the struggle because there are so many diseases I will never have. Preventable, dangerous diseases. Wakefield is such a ghoul for sparking this movement.

[@heyitsharley626]

my mother was one of the people who believed Wakefield (idk if she still does, we don't talk anymore) so when the time came she paid for me to have the MMR in separate doses so I "wouldn't get autism" (around £180) which will never not be funny to me because I was later diagnosed as autistic anyway

[@placeadrien5566]

lmao this is great. Congrats on your diagnosis btw, I assume you got it late.

[@cereal_chick2515]

Are you me? Because apart from the fact I still talk to my mum, I could have written this word for word. My parents took me to fucking France for the single jabs!

[@nicolelake5848]

Same here! Only my mum now knows how dumb that was, thank goodness. She was scared because my brother had just been diagnosed with Autism.

[@shakey4581]

least you actually got vaccinated, rather than the vast majority not getting it at all

[@cracky3931]

fucked up part? I can see that causing someone to believe vaccines in general cause it, and not just when its all at once.

[@torylva]

... Fuck, why the hell is Wakefield not given a life sentence for just the things he did to the kids?

[@Mehow80]

Bring back public hangings (not really)

[@tomd814]

@@Mehow80 Bring back public hangings (yes really)

[@jiralishu]

@@tomd814 I feel this energy so hard.

[@ava_marie_v]

@@tomd814 Bring back the guillotine!

[@runaravenscraft5314]

I hadn't heard of what he put those kids through before. Genuinely shocking

[@thinecuprunnethoverwithblood]

As a Dark Personal Anecdote: My mother asked me as a kid if I "wanted" a specific vaccine, and I obviously said no because I was a child, therefore I did not receive it and forgot about the incident for years. (She asked me because she was mildly anti-vax, too late for that ma'am, I was born autistic, and wanted to have someone to put the blame on in case it caused problems down the line... It wasn't until this year, when I was diagnosed with an infection that was a result of assault, that I discovered I had contracted the exact infection said vaccine would have prevented. It is likely that I will develop at least one kind of cancer as a result, and still have not recovered from my own mother telling me it was my fault because I "chose" to refuse the vaccine as a kid. Please, for fuck sake, vaccinate your children and yourself if it is approved by your primary care physician to do so. It is not worth the risk of possibly losing your or your child's life, or ending up forever marred by a disease/infection that you could've been safe from like myself. I T I S N O T W O R T H I T

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

I am so sorry that these things happened to you, compounding the pain you went through.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Want me to square up with her for you

[@martinpachu7125]

how old were you?? it seems a little absurd to me to expect your child to be completely informed on every vaccine you need

[@thinecuprunnethoverwithblood]

@@martinpachu7125 I was about 10-12 years old and, I agree, it is absurd, but also not unexpected behavior from my mother. She genuinely only put the decision on me because she needed someone to blame after shit inevitably hit the fan.

[@kaptainKrill]

Unfortunately, it sounds like a few people failed you, which is even worse. Gardasil can be given until a patient’s mid-20s, and any decent doctor will ask a patient in their late teens / early 20s if they want to get it.

[@Matty272]

I recently got a Covid booster and a flu shot. Now I’m autistic. I was autistic before too.

[@rosen_venus]

Covid booster actually makes you forget that you weren't autistic /j

[@charlottemunday7311]

Nice upgrade 😊

[@wolfwillow112]

The whole "bribing children for their blood" thing is so creepy, stupid, absurd and horribly wrong in every way that it could be an Invader Zim episode.

[@Ramsey276one]

1:14:15 I wish that was the “The Aristocrats Joke” AND NOT REALITY

[@fruitygarlic3601]

"Perfectly healthy. Such plentiful organs."

[@dylanchouinard6141]

“Gir! How will we get all this human blood?” “...Throw a birthday party!”

[@justcallmeSheriff]

It's practically blood libel, but somehow the Qanon antivaxxers missed that admission from Wakefield...

[@asteroidrules]

It reminds me of another quack doctor who conned people into alternatives to treatment who would go to parties and offer people there money for their piss.

[@cat8324]

My dad had measles as a kid, it caused encephalitis and he went deaf. I have autism and I much prefer that to, you know...brain damage.

[@kaykeunil]

Yeah, measles is no joke! While there are definitely kids who are minimally affected, the risk that measles poses is just far too great for these idiots to go about decrying the MMR vaccine. As kids my siblings and I were not vaccinated bc of our antivaxx mum; guess what, we caught scarlet fever, pneumonia, bronchitis, etc at a rate that I learned is not in fact normal when I grew up. Maybe I just have basic human empathy, but autistic children deserve so much better.

[@dr.timelord0483]

My biggest question with this entire movement, this entire quack study, is: "In what world would a parent prefer their child to suffer through horrible sickness and disease, and even death, to being autistic?" Seriously, it's such a big deal that a child must not be autistic, but death is a better option? A lot of my friends, and myself, are autistic and we're doing just fine! People are insane

[@therealmarkzuckerberg]

Unfortunately I’ve seen people online that would rather have a dead kid. One person in this very comment section said “they say it’s better to have an autistic child than a dead child. I disagree. I’d rather have a kid with a good brain than a broken brain.” I mean that’s probably just an edgy teenager craving attention but it shows just how ableist people can be against autistics to the point where they say we have a broken brain.

[@dr.timelord0483]

@@therealmarkzuckerberg Very odd hearing this from someone who owns a site that propagates this stuff, but overall yeah, it's just such a shitty thing to go through for us, especially when we meet these people irl

[@therealmarkzuckerberg]

@@dr.timelord0483 lol I probably should change my name but good point

[@GodStillHatesUs]

Right ?! Parents of the year here for sure.

[@chainswordcs]

that's such a selfish mindset for the parents to have too. like, how does *the autistic person* feel? and if a neurodivergent person suffers from depression (chronic or otherwise), often times the root cause is the way they are all treated by society and that their needs aren't being accomodated for. a depression thought like "i hate that my brain is 'broken'" only comes into being because society refuses to accomodate neurodivergent people in need.

[@LTAD-xi6sw]

The fact that this video only has 9.3 million views is a disgrace. Every single person around the world should be forced to watch this, especially anti-vaxxers, and Andrew Wakefield himself. Wakefield should also be in prison. So should Barr. The fact that these men walk free is a gross oversight of justice

[@hairscythe2257]

As an autistic person, something that's looked over is that to the non-autistic eye: autism is scary. Many of us can't talk, our non-verbal communication takes years to learn and decipher, we become very distressed over seemingly minor things due to our different perception. But parents who are tired/scared don't deserve to be taken advantage of: they need to be educated that autism isn't life-threatening, autistic people can work on skills and improve, autistic people have many talents and are perceptive, but most importantly: measles is scarier than autism. Autistic children and their parents simply don't deserve to be taken advantage of.

[@PugandOwn]

I think us autistic people are a lot like spiders. an average person might be unnerved by us for understandable evolutionary reasons - the spider moves strangely, the autistic person doesn't socially integrate as expected - but ultimately that fear is better off being overcome. we're unlikely to actually be dangerous, and if you let us build our little webs and eat our little flies, everyone's lives get that little bit more pleasant (except the flies', I guess). just don't expect the spiders to be able to take a phone call. (sorry if you don't want to be compared to a spider, I know not everyone's cool with that. I just think spiders and analogies are both neat.)

[@hairscythe2257]

@@PugandOwn i actually love that analogy :3

[@OrangeC7]

​@@PugandOwn"Just don't expect the spiders to be able to take a phone call" As someone with autism, never have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with

[@esobelisk3110]

@@PugandOwn so what i’m hearing is that, in addition to all the other stuff they’ve got going on down there, there’s a bunch of venomous autistic people running around in Australia.…

[@spicybreadproductions1972]

@@PugandOwn as an autistic person I agree As an Australian I disagree strongly

[@debrucey]

Must be odd for Americans to see someone refer to a £60 injection as "pretty expensive"

[@Liggliluff]

I still see 60 £ to be expensive for an injection. I hope my injection is free.

[@Zander10102]

My shots were all free to me. I mean it cost someone something.

[@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice]

I mean.... Yes, but also, anything that's not free is pretty expensive to americans. Our government keeps forgetting that we need to eat.

[@shotgun6X]

@@Zander10102 yeah. It cost the government eight bucks at most. Reject guilt, get free health care

[@quinnlove5777]

That’s $85USD 😭 I wish medical care was this inexpensive

[@divingbellstudio]

I am autistic and i actually find the find the part where parents would rather their kids die of preventable diseases than be even a little like me EVER SO SLIGHTLY INSULTING

[@sciencewithfun2052]

I also have autism and I want to have a chat with them, maybe one that they will never come back from

[@Punky_Cash]

​@@sciencewithfun2052As somoene with high functioning autism,may I come with? I'll bring the bodybag

[@driphearts8035]

The fear is of Low functioning autism. Which is understandable, but measles is worse

[@NoodleKeeper]

As you should. It IS insulting.

[@solsoups]

​@driphearts8035 you mean high support autism?

[@sebastiana3115]

Hold on hold on hold on. Late to the party, but using my tingling doctor senses, I genuinely think I've come up with a potentially new hypothesis based on pure speculation to make all of this even worse. "Dialysable lymphocyte extract" sounds a lot like someone dialysing their blood and trying to get "lymphocyte extract" out of it. The result of something being "dialysed" is... dialysate. Basically a salty liquid full of human waste products. The exact nature of this fluid depends on whether it is hemodialysis (HD) or peritoneal dialysis (PD), the latter being way more nasty seeing as it's just saline that sits around in the space around your gut for a while. Seing as lymphocytes do not cross the membranes used in hemodialysis, if you want to "extract" anything from lymphocytes it needs to be peritoneal dialysis fluid. So...going with the caliber of human being we're working with here, let me put forth a hypothesis that I have no proof of whatsoever, but fits with the characters at play. Some background facts: - There is no way to get dialysis unless you need it. You need surgery to get the required caliber of IV access to handle the volume of blood or access to the peritoneum, and be followed up. - Hemodialysis is done in specialised centers, and the dialysate is usually disposed of as biological waste (not 100% sure on exact disposal routines, might vary by center). - Peritoneal dialysis however, is done from the comfort of your own home, and you dispose of the fluid as you will. - No sane person will ever undergo dialysis just for fun, over a long enough period time it often leads to potentially lethal complications. - Peritoneal dialysis fluid is tested for lymphocytes (actually all leukocytes usually) now and then in order to diagnose infections, and always contains a little, making every PD patient very cognisent of the fact that there are lymphocytes in PD fluid. In fact it's pretty much the only thing you ever test PD fluid for, so if there's one thing you know for sure is in there, it's that. - Lymphocytes come from the bone marrow. Every doctor, no matter how disgraced, knows this. Now, here is where the wild speculation comes in: Ex-Dr. Fudenberg was caught stealing drugs, in other words, he was most likely an opiate addict (this is by far the most abundant addictive drug in medical cabinets). Opiate addicts have a tendency to destroy their kidneys, and so addicts are not uncommon dialysis patients. Or he might have been a dialysis patient for a bunch of other reasons. I see in the interview that he's wearing huge sunglasses, which might be because he's blind. This would fit with a poorly controlled diabetes for instance, which destroys your eyes and kidneys. This part is very very speculative, so take this particular paragraph with extra salt. Now, put yourself in the mind of disgraced Ex-Dr. Fudenberg, the opiate addict and dialysis patient. You're doing your peritoneal dialysis at home, you're poor because you got no job, no MD, and you have an opiate addiction. You're also generally just a huge piece of shit. You look at the bag of peritoneal dialysate, dirty saline water that is getting pumped out of your gut after sitting there overnight, and you ask yourself...can I sell this shit? So you boil down the dialysate, which will leave mostly some whitish powder which is mostly the salt from the saline, mixed with human waste products and remains of cells (including lymphocytes). You pack it up in a pill, and call it "Dialysable lymphocyte extract", and you try to market it through a quack paper as a cure against autism. When interviewed about this by a reporter years later you keep trying to market this "product", saying that the cure is in your bone marrow because yes, technically peritoneal dialysate contains lymphocytes that indeed do in fact come from your bone marrow. So... if this line of complete speculation is true, Andrew Wakefield might have fed a child an old mans boiled down dialysis fluid. One pill at a time, every other day, for three to six months. TLDR: "Dialysable lymphocyte extract" might quite possibly be human waste.

[@crazyinsane500]

Holy shit. . . You just scienced out what this totally was.

[@sebastiana3115]

@@crazyinsane500 well, I formed a hypothesis anyhow. If I was truly going to science this shit out, I would spend hours and hours of my life reading through the initial Fudenberg paper, watching the interview and looking for other sources to see if the evidence that's out there fits with the hypothesis I just constructed. ...I'll get back to you on that one.

[@biggy0917]

​@@sebastiana3115commenting to see if u have any updates

[@ClemDiamond]

​@@sebastiana3115How's the hypothesis going ? Found any evidence ? I want to know because if true, this guy was either a sick mind or the greatest troll that ever lived. "Here child, eat my boiled waste, that'll cure your... *spins wheel* autism !"

[@jfarrar19]

So. Can i argue that Wakefield made kids eat dried piss?

[@arcktangent7947]

What always worried me is that these parents treat the mere existence of autism as a fate worse than death for their children

[@Voingous]

To them, it is. No, I'm not kidding or exaggerating. Especially in America, dying as a result of a belief is as noble as dying for one. You go across the seas to fight and die for the economy? Hero. You get shot in the line of duty from somebody acting in self defense? Hero. You die from a preventable disease because you didn't want to take basic safety precautions at mild inconvenience to you? Hero. Death is fetishized and preferred over even minor inconveniences.

[@noizepusher7594]

@@Voingous reminds me of my favorite quote from Hamilton “all they had to do was die, we should give it a try”

[@arcktangent7947]

mind shortening that to a reasonable length do I don't fall asleep while reading it? I perfectly understand wanting whats best for your child, but the impression I get from modern anti-vaxx is a complete opposition to vaccines instead of opting for alternative vaxxing schedules

[@pagatryx5451]

@@arcktangent7947 I'm interested in hearing intelligent rebuttles to my views. Not making bitesized and easily digestable chunks of information for people who won't have anything interesting to say... So no, I won't shorten anything. Because obviously parroting what other people have said already is about as far as you are willing to go.

[@noizepusher7594]

@@pagatryx5451 since op seems to have the inability to use a text to speech program, I will play devil’s advocate in their stay. The main issue with your argument is that in the video we see examples of people making claims that death is better than autism, which is what most likely sparked the original comment. Also comparing autism to cancer is still not a fair comparison. Cancer has no up sides, it’s a disease through and through and those who have it need help. Autism is simply a different way of thinking, the brain processes stimuli in different ways, not a dehabilitating disease.

[@GFireNexus]

"Please stop telling me to make my videos shorter" No. Longer. If I haven't died of old age by the time I finish a video on LGBT representation in straight-to-video Transformers movies or whatever, I won't be happy. Better shell out for fiber-optics, bomberman!

[@cats9thlife704]

top tier cat mage blep 10/10

[@headlesswaifer5797]

That sounds like a Lindsey Ellis video actually lolll

[@Towlapeiwa]

I thought I was alone! Maybe this is my “can watch KZbin at work” privilege but I love a good long video

[@msjkramey]

I pendulum back and forth so hard. Sometimes I get frustrated that a video is under ten minutes and other times I'm mad that a video is under an hour long. These leftTubers cant seem to win with any of us lol

[@homashu]

I watch these videos on repeat

[@robinyoung3924]

As an autistic person it's incredibly frustrating and depressing seeing your existence get thrown around as a debate point in issues like this. So, I massively appreciate the time and effort you took to use the correct language and generally speak about autism & autistic people very respectfully, and just, you know, treat us like people.

[@robinyoung3924]

@@Weweta spoken like somebody who has no idea what it's like to be autistic

[@squidgirl0413]

@@Weweta treating a condition as only its label and not as the people who have it is a quick way to dehumanize people. its the same kinda shit that results in 'narcissistic abuse' being a thing tiktokkers claim exists or saying that people are 'psychotic' when they do bad things. real human beings have autism and they see how you talk about having the condition and they can, in fact, correct you.

[@squidgirl0413]

@@Weweta hi! im fucking autistic. thats my source. also, the idea of 'curing' autism is eugenics, because you're eliminating an 'undesirable' genetic group from humanity.

[@squidgirl0413]

@@Weweta like you can think whatever you want, but if two autistic people have directly told you that we dont wanna be fucking wiped out then maybe you should take that into consideration?

[@Weweta]

@@fengari_leitmotifs tf you’re talking about homie. Do you think I’m some trumpist antivaxxer or something? I’m just saying autism sucks and that’s it. Autism makes people unsociable depending on the level. Being unable to socialize while being a HUMAN is a pretty big fucking problem. Were social animals after all

[@karaltar7914]

Even if there is a link between MMR Vaccine and Autism, I’d definitely rather have autism than die of measles.

[@headfullofdreams6083]

I'm autistic and I'm very glad I'm not dying of measles. 10/10 would recommend

[@Thecryptidsleeps]

How many people do you think die from measles? Autism is way worse, my man.

[@brodyskillman7572]

@@Thecryptidsleepsnot only do the majority of autistic people fare fine despite the open hostility and lack of accommodation by society, people don’t die of measles left and right BECAUSE of vaccinations for decades. If measles were to return to contraction rates it was at 100+ years ago a huge portion of people would be dying around you. You’d know just as many people who died of measles as cancer.

[@snartboy5000]

@@Thecryptidsleepsi don't really think it's much worse, i'm doing alright after all :)

[@Acidfrog475]

I’m autistic, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world as it’s just part of who I am. I am, however, immensely grateful I’m not dying of measles or polio. Dying of measles and/or polio is actually near the bottom of my personal list of things I’d like to be doing.

[@GPantazis]

Anti-vaxxers: "Do your own research!" The research:

[@meodrac]

That's why I like to say "googling for 5 minutes does not count as research"

[@akpsyche1299]

@@meodrac Also, anecdotes don't count as research.

[@MT-sb6ms]

Do your own research needs to come with a manual to do the research. I did it, spent a few days on it and took the vaccine.

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@akpsyche1299 Also also, “Big Pharma wants to brainwash you” is not a valid rebuttal to actual research.

[@Haituga]

And then they'll be like: "No, not like that"

[@PedroRDoudement]

tbh "I didn't ask him to do that, he just sent that to me" describes perfectly BDG's unraveled

[@tardersauce3578]

Time stamp?

[@KitsyHD]

@@tardersauce3578 literally the very end of the end credits

[@pattysalazar6823]

"What a cool guy, that was great" - HBG

[@tardersauce3578]

@Jared Wiens gracias

[@Starslayer9095]

I can't believe vaccines gave me an ouchy tum tum and a hyperfixation for Super Mario

[@yeethittter1285]

I can't believe the vaccines forced me to make silly noises and gave me 2 different dhmis hyperfixations 😢😢

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

I can't believe vaccines gave me anxiety and a drakengard hyperfixation

[@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat]

The vaccines made me like chewing my nails and Pokémon

[@iggnifyre6333]

@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat yeah you probably shouldn't chew on Pokémon

[@hanspetrov4343]

Vaccines gave me hyperfixation hyperfixation, my hyperfixation powers grow every day. hyperfixation

[@shadowsovereign4948]

I really want to take a moment to appreciate Stacey and Damien, the two parents who admitted they had misidentified the vaccine as the cause of their daughter's autism. They took the time to do their own research, and instead of ascribing to confirmation bias by reading things that only reinforced their beliefs, they actually came to the conclusion that they were wrong. Not only that, but they were willing to admit on TV that they were wrong. Those are some really great parenting qualities. Performing genuine research to raise your child in a better environment, and being willing to admit your faults. It may sound basic, but so many parents do not have those critical traits. They'd rather double down and assert that they are right and everyone else, perhaps even their own child, is wrong. There's a lot of depressing stuff in this story, so I just wanted to focus in on a brief glimpse at some genuinely good people. They do still exist, don't lose hope in humanity.

[@heatherangel9700]

This really struck me too. Honestly, learning and growing and changing one's opinions is so incredibly rare, and it's even more so to admit publicly that you were wrong and changed your opinion. These people are heroes, and they don't get enough credit.

[@Keraph]

Brian Deer is such a fucking hero, holy shit.

[@archivist_13]

No kidding, dude makes me want to be a journalist

[@gizoginjr]

Seriously, go read “The Doctor Who Fooled the World” if you get a chance. I did, and there are so many details that didn’t make it into this video. Like, the reason Wakefield settled on measles specifically, rather than any other disease like mumps or rubella? That’s a weird thing to cling to, right? He’s not an epidemiologist or microbiologist. Turns out, he had some pictures of mystery inflammation from people’s guts and literally looked through a textbook of viral infections for the first one that kind of matched the pictures. That’s how he got to measles.

[@rasmusforchhammer9557]

That's wild ​@@gizoginjr

[@audreybd420]

I met this teenage girl a few years ago. We used to hang out quite a lot because our dogs were friends. She told me that she had a shit ton of health issues. At the time I was a biology student, so she asked me if I could take a look at her diagnosis and test results and maybe explain them to her, bc her doctor was super vague. So I did, and immediately thought either it was way out of my understanding, or something was off. She had been treated for bacterial infections in the gut since she was a child (but nothing on her test results...) . Her symptoms were things like severe insomnia, fatigue, inability to focus, etc. I started to have a bad feeling about the doc, so I did a little check, and it turned out she had been banned from practicing medicine in France for unethical studies implying children (!!) and moved to my country (Switzerland). She was also linked with Wakefield, either working with him or trying to replicate his "study". I tried to convince my friend to at least get a second opinion, but she was forced to see this doc by her parents, it was a whole mess. It broke my heart to see this girl unable to enjoy her life bc she was so sleep deprived she couldn't function for days and denied proper care. It makes me mad to see that dipsh*t Wakefield rolling in money while kids get their life stolen from them bc of him and his legacy.

[@AmbassadorKat]

This isn’t the same “doctor” behind that Plandemic movie, is it? I thought she had some connection to Wakefield also

[@audreybd420]

@@AmbassadorKat I can't remember her name. I've never seen that movie but I checked the wiki page (good lord). I don't think she was cited.

[@jessjose3638]

Omg thats horrific

[@jacobnoelle8428]

):< to the Fraud!

[@utschemezmuer]

I'm studying medicine in Switzerland, so I'd be really interested if that person still practices. Do you remember the name?

[@froufroudeluxe]

I’m autistic and let me tell you, it beats being dead from a preventable disease

[@froufroudeluxe]

@@nenmaster5218 … I am actually autistic

[@froufroudeluxe]

@@nenmaster5218 I have seen her videos before but I don’t see what it has to do with this comment at all

[@hulkmt]

LMAO

[@annajensen7360]

@@nenmaster5218 Did you just "um actually" an actually autistic person, by telling them to "listen to real autistic people"? I'm also autistic and this was a pretty insulting comment because you assumed that Froufrou Deluxe didn't know enough about their own autism, and that you somehow know better than a real autistic person because you claim to listen to real autistic people. It's just confusing

[@ngrace11]

Same, and I'm with you there.

[@puddlel1ama327]

I'm neurodivergent and the vaccine-autism shit is honestly so exhausting. the sheer malice and hate for us is just. i don't even have words for that.

[@eiliscantsleep]

"Children's birthday party" and "blood bribe" are two phrases that should never be put together

[@MelvinDukowski]

Children's Birthday Blood Bribes sounds like a sick goth band though

[@andreykabakremix]

Sounds like something that would happen in a random branch of Freddy Fazbear Pizzeria

[@asteroidrules]

Oh this is just scratching the surface of quackery tactics, wait until you hear about piss collecting.

[@Shadethewolfy]

Something something adrenochrome something something Pizza Gate something something WWG1WGA something something other Q nonsense.

[@viraltang]

That's some Bloodborne shit....

[@voratheexplorer6442]

Rumor has it that Wakefield was the first American to work on Sonic

[@CarpeVerpa]

His mother is VERY proud.

[@peterprime2140]

He's got a 7 foot statue of Hugh Fudenberg but at night it makes him have to pee.

[@starlight4649]

Oh yeah, he was also lead audio engineer of Tony hawk pro skater 2 And he also DEFINITELY DIDNT rate super smash bros for GameCube a 2.5/10.

[@CrazyAbdul1000]

Thats obviously wrong. He wasnt the first American who worked on Sonic, he was the first American. Get your facts straight.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@CrazyAbdul1000 Both, akshually.

[@Concertina43210]

As an autistic person I can relate to the link between autism and having irritable bowels which stems from living in a state of perpetual anxiety that comes along with trying to adapt in a society that is largely not neurodivergent-affirming and instead of accepting my differences insists that I "fix" them instead.

[@4lyeskas]

Big same from a late-diagnosed autistic person. That and being a lactose-intolerant cheese lover 😂 But yeah, a lot of people on here are commenting that constant anxiety and stress tends to be Not Good for the gut. Who knew.

[@once.upon.a.time.]

Oh shit 😮

[@bananawitchcraft]

Aside from whatever Wakefield is spouting, the brain-gut connection is a real thing that's worth looking into. Ever heard of how antibiotics can sometimes cause neurological disorders? There is a huge connection between digestive health and neurological health. Anxiety can indeed cause GI issues, but GI issues can also cause things like anxiety and depression. (Source: I'm autistic and I have GERD, IBS, lactose intolerance, dysautonomia, anxiety, etc.)

[@borderlinecrazy6444]

​@@bananawitchcraft not a *great* source, I believe it's called ad hominem? But I do somewhat agree with the idea that having health issues can cause your mental health to suffer.

[@conradburroughs]

I would reccomend looking into BCBA therapy, to see if they can help provide you with strategies to help.

[@Oniqueen]

"Autism comes from the ass," sounds like some kind of 4chan meme, but no that's apparently what the study really implies.

[@abysmalist4761]

autism is stored in the balls

[@TheManWithTheFlan]

autism comes from the ass and brother i got the biggest dump truck this side of the mississippi

[@TheBT]

I mean it was literally a South Park joke - Ass burgers

[@jenesisxtreme]

Did you ever see the South Park episode? Arse-burgers haha..

[@jenesisxtreme]

​@@TheBTJust saw your comment after I made mine. Too funny! Great episode! I love Cartman!

[@milletmongoose]

My sister contracted the measles when she was a toddler. She was too young to be vaccinated. She survived, but then she suffered from measles encephalitis at 9, totally robbing her of her ability to speak and walk. My family and I have had to give her a lot of care since then. I dunno about you, but I think this is far worse than if she had ended up with autism. The fear and anger that my sister expressed as her motor functions deteriorated are memories that I’ll never shake. I would not wish this on anyone or their family. Edit: also, I should probably get a colonoscopy.

[@afroscot2069]

I think that the fact that the way you framed measles as the worse implies autism is bad, is another thing you should mentally edit. -autistic person who works with autistic children

[@Reioa]

I'm extremely sorry for your family's pain and suffering.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

"so she became retarded later than she would've with vaccines" - probably one of them (they don't know high functioning people exist

[@napstaperd8824]

@@slevinchannel7589 What sort of drugs are you on mate?

[@alaskaone]

That's horrendous. I hope she is doing as well as can be expected.

[@NoriMori1992]

When you were talking about Bill Maher and Larry King, I looked up their dates of birth and couldn't help but notice that Maher was born a year after Salk's polio vaccine was licensed, while King was born over 20 years before. One of these two men witnessed one of the most feared diseases in the country become almost a non-issue practically overnight thanks to vaccines; the other didn't start first grade until the yearly incidence rate had already fallen below 1000.

[@OfficialROZWBRAZEL]

I haven't found the clip yet, but can't you just picture King's hard stare as Maher fumbled around trying to sound smart about his ignorance?

[@acorneroftheinternet4179]

That us amazingly fascinating and sad to realize.

[@GuiSmith]

@@OfficialROZWBRAZEL I know the face he’d have made and it is definitely not one of sympathy

[@DarkParagon]

I can't remember who said it, but the phrase 'Vaccines are a victim of their own success' rings true in what you're saying. Had we all grown up in a world where polio, measles, mumps, rubella, as well as smallpox was killing/permanently harming kids, the anti-vaxx movement would have even more shaky ground to stand on. If only we could glimpse into that past, every one of us, we wouldn't take the miracle of science called vaccines for granted.

[@paulgibbon5991]

You need to understand that all diseases drop entirely due to improved sanitation and hygeine. It's PURE AND TOTAL COINCIDENCE that each disease stops killing people just after a vaccine for it comes out.

[@hx0ad5]

i'm autistic and i've never laughed harder than as a teen when my parents got a letter from the NHS informing them that i hadn't actually gotten my MMR vaccines as a baby. "oh damn, guess i've gotta get un-diagnosed with the autism then"

[@jacksim5759]

this made me chuckle and it's 4am, what a story

[@toddjones1480]

Wow. Thanks for that.

[@plsarguewithme2665]

OMG AHAHAHAH

[@PutoMedicoBrujo]

THIS IS PURE GOLD

[@mikafizz1022]

hahahaha what was their RESPONSE?!??!?!?! XDDDD

[@spoopycatstudio]

Thank you for talking about what those children went through. My child is non-speaking and even routine doctor or dental visits are terrifying for him and require multiple people to get necessary procedures done. He doesn't always understand why a medical procedure needs to be done, and all I can do is hold him through it and comfort him the best I can. I can't imagine how traumatizing it was for those poor babies to go through that, and all just to line the pockets of a literal monster. This was the first time I ever heard the children in the study discussed in a real and compassionate way. I appreciate that so much.

[@a_d7366]

My grandma and I used to be very close, she also used to be an anti-vaxer. For as long I could remember shes been into some spiritual woo-woo stuff, and all the 'alternative medicine' things that comes with it. Some of it even helped me (it might have been a placebo effect, but I was an anxious kid, who had a lot of trouble falling asleep and whatever sleep tonic bs it was she gave me helped) and I'm thankful for that. But around the time my younger cousins were born, she got cought up in the whole anti-vax thing. When my 1st cousin was born she initially refused to get the jab (i cant remember what exactly it was for) and so my aunt and uncle said "okay, then you can't see your grandson". That got her ass in gear and she got all the nessecary vaccines. This by no means made her re-think her opinions on vaccines but she knew the family didn't appreciate her views on that, so she would bring it up, atleast not often. I remember meeting one of my grandmas friends once, she was nice, she had two kids, one girl and one boy. This boy had been diagnosed with autism, his parents couldn't afford to give him the help and accomodations he needed. This resulted in almost daily meltdowns, he also had a few other diagnoses for things like excma and a severe gluten intolerance that contributed to the severity of these meltdowns and his sensory issues. Looking back now, althought her autism presented as less 'severe' or she may have been 'higher functioning', I think the girl may have been autistic too, however she had no official diagnosis, which might be becuase many AFAB people with autism and/or adhd can present differently than has been traditionally studed and recorded in AMAB people, but we know that there is a genetic link in many neurodiverse conditions. The previous paragraph isnt just me rambling I think its important backstory/context. Fast forward to late 2021, we live in Australia, Victoria. Back in 2020 and 2021 my state was pretty well known for our many numerous and 'harsh' lockdowns, we'd recently just gotten out of lockdown so me, my mums and my Grandma decided to get lunch together to catch up. Everything was going well, we were wrapping up and the conversation got political. Normaly this would be fine, most of our political views tend to line up and what doesn't usually isn't that big of a deal. But then as we're standing in the car park (it was a pretty rural place with very little traffic so we were perfectly safe) preparing to say our goodbyes, my Nana brings up vaccines. She starts talking about how they cause autism, how she's heard friends and friends of friends talk about how autism ripped their childeren away from them, about how these childeren who had apparently been very outgoing and talkative had suddenly, after recieveing their vaccines, become non verbal, aggressive and withdrawn. About how, autism, quote, "turned their childeren into monsters". I'd seen this youtube video for the first time not long before, so I tired to reason and argue with her using a lot of the evidence and counter-arguements presented here, and I tried be calm, tried to be understanding and patient. But she kept refusing to budge, kept talking about all these 2nd, 3rd or who knows how many hand accounts of anti-vax parents with autistic kids. And the way she talked about these kids. Fuck. Here is this woman, who I've known my whole life to be nothing but kind and compassionate to everyone in her life, who was one of the first people to notice how my ex-step mum treated and talked to me and realise it was abuse. Here she is, talking about these children like they were less than a rabid dog. I knew she wasn't perfect, I knew she had her problems, I knew she was raised during a 'different time'. But to hear my grandma talk about these innocent childeren like that broke my heart. A few months before this argument I was officially diagnosed with ADHD. And by no means am I saying that I have any real understanding of what its like to have autisim. There is a large overlap of symptoms and traits and how they can present between ADHD and Autism, so much so that it is commom for people with autism to be misdiagnosed as having ADHD or for people to even have both. And so, to hear my Nana talk about these kids that I have so much in common with in such a dehumanizing way? it felt like she was talking about me. I know now, that after a certain threshold the anti-vax movement isnt about skeptisism in the government and the medical industry. It's about fear. Not for their childeren as they may lead you to believe, but of them. of this diagnosis that they dont understand, of how their child is different. In the generations before vaccines they'd have called their childeren changelings, Things that were not their childeren, that had taken their place. By the end of the argument I was crying in frustration despreatly trying to make my nan understand that these childerens autism doesnt make them any less deserving of love, it doesn't mean that we shoud be banning vaccines, it just means that we need to adapt and be more prepared to make the nessecary accomodations for these kids. But no matter what I'd say she just couldn't get it. I walked off and got into my mums car. This whole time my mums had been trying to de-escalate the situation and i think they were just in shock by the end of it. They said their goodbyes. see you soon, love yous, etc. I got out of the car for a little bit to give my nana a hug and say goodbye but that was it. I spent almost the whole car ride home crying. Fast forward again to the begining of this year, I'm spending time with my nana and she brings up autism, i'm imediatly prepared to go on the defensive but as she keeps talking i realise, her opinions have changed. she's reassesed her views and done more research, she's talking about poeple with autism like theyre PEOPLE. She's even talking about how she can see it in some of our family members about how SHE might be autistic. I wanted to write this so that anyone else seeing this who has or had relatives or loved ones that were/are antivax that there is hope, it can get better. And I really hope it does for you. I also wanted to write this to show how much this youtube video means to me. That a whole new generation of people are learning about anti-vaxxers and how to deal with them. This video is honestly an educational resource, I think that this video and others like it are important and for them to be here, for free, easy for anyone to access is so insanely important that i dont even have to words left to finish this monolith of a comment in a satisfying way. All I can think of thats left to say is, Thank you hbomberguy for making this video.

[@zonesproductions]

Fantastic write up 👍 It's really hard to talk to people close to you who have these views. Hopefully a lot of them see reason eventually.

[@lulucool45]

we hear a lot of sad stories about people getting past the antivax event horizon and staying there for the rest of their lives. thank you for sharing

[@wendyzhang4128]

It's uplifting to hear that your grandma came around. Thanks for sharing your story!

[@jennyinutil2018]

I'd just like to corroborate the assertion that kids with autism are often misdiagnosed with ADHD. I was diagnosed with ADHD very early on, by multiple doctors. Then at *20* years old, we did another one for reasons that escape me rn, and the doctor said it was very obvious I didn't just have ADHD but was also autistic I didn't think much of it. My mom was really upset. Not because she has prejudice against autism, but because she *asked every doctor we went to if there was a chance I had autism and they all said no* It bothered her a lot, and the more I think about it, the more it bother *me*

[@Squirl7504]

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[@larsfrommars]

I’m sorry but the fact that him PAYING CHILDREN FOR THEIR BLOOD wasn’t the most fucked-up thing in the video- Edit: OmG tHaNkS fOr AlL tHe LiKeS

[@cGoryeo]

He's not a literal vampire, just a grifter! Allegedly.

[@mellow6749]

he’s definitely a ghoul though

[@vistagreat9994]

We all know that the most fucked up thing in the video was how many people had become anti-vaxxers due to Wakefield.

[@adam-vm3zj]

"Birthday Party Children Blood Bribe" sounds like word salad, but it happened lol, that was surreal

[@RabidDogma]

The most fucked up thing in the video was the insinuation that ending a sentence in a preposition is wrong. IT'S NOT AND IT'S OFTEN THE PREFERED STRUCTURE FOR A SENTENCE. DAMN IT. That's like saying "an historical moment" YOU DON'T USE "AN" BEFORE A HARD H SOUND DEBRA. YOU DON'T SAY "an horse" DO YOU?? THEY'RE NOT EVEN REAL!!! DEBRA!!!!

[@vivian-sasha-taylor]

A toast to Brian Deer. I don’t want to think about how much worse this could have gone if he wasn’t there.

[@bethanybrookes8479]

I was so glad when I found out about Brian deer. Apparently, my parents were sitting on the fence about of they would get their kid's vaccinated if they ever had one, then whilst my mum was pregnant with me, that documentary came out and she chose to get the vaccine when I was old enough. I understand her fear, she was a first time parent with all these news sources screaming at her that if she got me vaccinated, I'd get autism and bowel issues. So I don't blame her, but I'm so greatful that she did see that documentary and choose to get me, and later on my younger brother, vaccinated. Because I remember growing up and seeing and hearing new reports of measles outbreaks in cities around the UK. Heck, I'm pretty sure there's one in Birmingham right now, last I heard 3 children were hospitalised, but that was a few days ago and it's likely gotten worse. But each time, I am so glad my mum chose to get me an MMR vaccine. Especially since I know people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine because their immune system hates them and as a result, they have to rely on herd immunity and hoping that other people maintain hygiene. Opting against vaccination when you are able to get one is just selfish.

[@anuuragkanase]

that's good we need journalists like Brian deer, makes you wonder how many lives he's influenced

[@Noxedwin]

@@anuuragkanase Not enough, frankly. But, supposedly, book sales went up measurably after this video happened. So I have nothing but praise and respect for Deer's scholasticism and HBomb's emotion and compassion. And Kat's wit. That's important, too.