Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated? | Middle Ground

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[@whopperenjoyer8622]

Why didn’t they get adults who weren’t vaccinated.... oh wait

[@ryenye9012]

Ngilenko342 😂I see what you just did

[@soilderisahealslut6614]

🤣🤣🤣

[@CptCage]

Ngilenko342 lmao

[@otto7848]

👌👏😂

[@arizenstudio1729]

This deserves more likes😂😂😂😂

[@johnjackson8545]

I'm anti-seatbelt because I can still die or be injured in a car accident.

[@hovgeg8706]

My daughter broke her arm in a car crash while she was wearing her seatbelt, therefore nobody should wear seatbelts: basically bangs lady's argument

[@louiehollando7717]

Hahahahaha

[@TinnyChai]

The seatbelt killed my mum in a car accident but I won’t disagree the function of the seatbelt.

[@fetchstixRHD]

Basically 4:05 in a nutshell.

[@paiges6962]

Oh my god someone should have said that

[@Veronica-rt3mi]

My boyfriend is a polio survivor, if he had access to vaccines and could go back in time to take it he would. Side effects happen, but are often far less disruptive and dangerous to life than the actual disease. Its sad that this is even an argument.

[@sunshinesoldier2915]

Why didn’t he have access?

[@thienantran7913]

@@sunshinesoldier2915 probably got the disease before the vaccine was out

[@Veronica-rt3mi]

@@IIII...... are you serious?? The effects of polio are with him for life, there’s a thing called post polio syndrome which has a list of health issues that develop over time. He’s also wheelchair bound for the rest of his life, people do die from polio, thankfully he is not one of them but a vaccine could’ve vastly improved his life. Antivaxxers are a literal and figurative plague on our society right now. It’s selfish.

[@chubnut3671]

@@Veronica-rt3mi i’m sorry that you guys had to go through that. I fully agree with you.

[@Veronica-rt3mi]

@@thienantran7913 Hes from a country where they stole the vaccines off the people and sold them, so he didn’t get the vaccine on time.

[@AJ1410_]

Thank you Karen. You managed to tick all the boxes - No medical degree? Check - Talk over someone when they’re trying to make a point? Check - Using a specific situation to prove your point? Check

[@EclecticallyEccentric]

@@theappleciderresistance4925 A pediatrician who also stated that he tries his best to ease parents' worries and explain vaccines to them. He's not against vaccines.

[@phillychannel394]

The Inventor of mRNA knows it does. The inventor of RT-PCR test knows what's its real purpose is.

[@goodtoknow3768]

Mothers know.

[@simoeannrose5066]

On the intern u can always find someone that agrees with u, always fact check n don’t just look for the answer u want.

[@afarensis9720]

That third point is so common with anti-vaxxers. They always pull out vague anecdotes or unconfirmed stories to push their arguments

[@luislatinoman7055]

I'm anti-eating because there's a chance I can get food poisoning, and me no like tummy ache.

[@SGT676]

I read the last part in Cookie monster's voice

[@chelseaxoxo784]

I'm anti breathing cause I might one day breathe in dangerous chemicals. So no thanks

[@deseuryderia]

one time i got food poisoning from a restaurant so im anti restaurant

[@retrothecake1921]

A really that's a good point. Too much of a risk

[@aistelaimeskrebyte2195]

I'm actually anti-living, because research done by harvard university shows that there are always chances of dying.

[@dashy4939]

This girl over here tried to “out smart” a Doctor about MEDICATION I am DECEASED

[@azathoth8888]

So are Anti-Vaxx children

[@reportaccount474]

Dashy medication*

[@User-hy6ur]

@@azathoth8888 that was good.

[@g8yearsago948]

Yr deceased cuz u didn’t have yr vaccine against pro plague

[@sunrise5710]

Subzero99 good job

[@muk0n]

"parents know their children best" Fun fact: Friends mostly know your child better than you

[@naina4288]

agreed

[@teacup3064]

She is talking about children under 13 not teenagers

[@kholozondi9904]

@@teacup3064 you'd still be surprised how little parents know their children. People assume that because they have control over someone that they know them best. History is filled with examples of why this is a lie _cough cough mass shooter parents_

[@biggestboofer9478]

I read that wrong at first, i was thinking friends of the parents and i was Very confused

[@notnotanoob2450]

As an adolesant, I can confirm this is true as I don't share my love life with my parents but only my friends. Because I feel it as akward.

[@theesquad4722]

"It's hard to trust someone that sees your child for 10 minutes, twice a year..." this phrase is neglects to mention that that same person is seeing hundreds if not thousands of other children on regular occasions, has studied numerous years to get a medical Doctorate to specialize in dealing with children and has experience dealing with ailments related to children.

[@therapyandfolklore]

ALSO its better when a doctor does not have a personal connection with a patient, so they can make unbiased decisions, without letting personal connection get in the way and cloud their judgment

[@theempireband343]

Imagine being a designer and thinking you know more about medicine than a doctor...

[@cosminturtureanu692]

Lol

[@brownerjerry174]

@Euphoric Vision01 oh god don't start it here,you will give away the secrets,damn,go back to the grave,NOW,,,😂😂😂

[@davidg8628]

@Euphoric Vision01 lol

[@AlexanderMarchesaine]

@Grace Elizabeth L Girl, your parents may know the OUTSIDE of your body and behavior, but the doctors know the INSIDES of a person. Doctors dont spend their 20s in medical school for nothing...

[@CodyMechanix]

Grace Elizabeth L nice troll.

[@thegolem9325]

hmmm... Anti-vax pediatrician Bob is Bob Sears and he's currently on a 35-month probation with the medical board because his anti-vaccine advice hurt a patient. Somehow I get the feeling making this video violates the sanctions against his license... hmmmmm....

[@blilloo8410]

that's very interesting

[@zozipozi]

Oh holy crap.....

[@hrhux]

Don't forget he was selling vaccine exemption forms online for a personal profit without ever seeing his patients!

[@thegolem9325]

@@hrhux He is the epitome of a scumbag. There aren't enough bad things that can happen to him.

[@zoltyx2423]

Wow I'm not sure if I should be made at him or the video makers because he should not be talking

[@pino2278]

Once I choked on pizza, that's how I know nobody should eat pizza.

[@steel2bravoc554]

If you do that, the Italians might invade

[@steel2bravoc554]

@@IIII...... Are governments forcing vaccines on us?

[@mori8706]

@@IIII...... yes they are putting gasoline in vackzine 🤯these gordrnarm governmentn have ben spyingg on us!!

[@floriandanna2534]

This happened to me with Water. Now I only drink Soft drinks! :-D

[@roroliaoliao]

@@mori8706 talking with a troll and take his word seriously? Wow.....

[@mr.t6097]

You go to your doctor for medical advice. Girl with bangs- "I know my child best" Doctor "Well here's the scalpel, good luck with your daughter's appendicitis"

[@locus831]

EXACTLY! Then why go to the doctor's? Just treat you child by yourself. If you think you know everything be capable of doing your own operations.

[@afarensis9720]

All the Karens are like "I know my child best, I don't trust doctors" until their child gets appendicitis or a fracture, and then they drop their healing crystals and their essential oils and go running to the hospital for help. And the worst part is after the medical professionals help their child, they'll go back to their ignorant ways and nothing will change

[@noellesherman4824]

Well, if you cannot use your intelligence to DISCERN between those areas that you are capable of researching and understanding and those you are not - if you would rather be a passive believer, so be it. But you suck as a parent.

[@aroach7461]

What happens when the mother is a doctor herself and does the surgery perfectly?

[@snickims9717]

@@aroach7461 They get the vaccine.

[@allysonrose4394]

There’s a saying “winning an argument against a smart person is hard, but winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible”

[@preddix4439]

88 Keys wow, I’m gunna quote that very time I argue with my sister

[@byel2844]

@BlooCaos r/imverysmart

[@pamelarealpes]

BlooCaos you didn’t understand the saying at all

[@lolagrobler9081]

BlooCaos i’m not gonna argue with you because “ you can’t reason with someone who is unreasonable” aka you.

[@acxesta2]

It's because they never THINK that they lost the arguement

[@wintakebreab5726]

those doctors didn't go through 10+ years of school to have someone who makes clothes tell them about 50% of their course material. Girl, they know it's safe-ish better than having your child dead-ish.

[@yasveck]

winta k thank you!

[@jerriroseleaand8372]

Less than 50%

[@v6790]

Well at least it's not just dead

[@truthtrekker]

winta K *Death is the enemy of the human race. Death is eternity inside of the Sun. You mean to tell me you know everything about death except what death is, which is the Sun???*

[@slamzam]

Facts

[@evangoob3303]

avoiding all vaccines because you had a bad reaction... is like avoiding all fruit because you ended up being allergic to apples...

[@nicolprofittkh]

That person has that right. Are you going to be that insensitive to someone who literally almost died because they took a vaccine? I know a woman whose son died from an adverse reaction to a vaccine and she refuses to vaccinate her 2 other children with that same vaccine. Are you really going to judge someone like her so harshly. We have to get to the point where we have empathy for people who are genuinely scare because they have experienced an allergic reaction or know someone who has. There views are still valid even though you don't agree

[@EclecticallyEccentric]

@@nicolprofittkh Someone does have that right. Just like both government funded schools and hospitals, as well as private ones, have the right to refuse services to someone who isn't vaccinated. I do judge someone for letting their fear rule over what science supports is best for their child.

[@erowo8767]

@@EclecticallyEccentric i feel like that isn't right, if someone has been adversely affected by vaccines, and i don't mean mild allergies, like people who have ended up with debilitating life long problems, i believe the fear is valid, no one wants to run back into something that almost killed them. I believe this should be recognised more.

[@Nobody-kh2nm]

I once had a light allergic reaction to sunscreen, threw up after eating rice and slipped in the shower, causing me to fall and bruise myself slightly. Therefore, against the hundreds of specialists and professionals who have poured hours into research on skin cancer, I propose that we ban all sunscreen internationally, even sunscreen from different brands that had nothing to do with my mild rash. I also suggest that, despite rice being one of the most important crops in the world and sustaining many people in poverty, we ban rice across the globe as someone may choke on it and die. My final suggestion is that we ban showers despite hygiene having been a key factor in many pandemics throughout history, as slipping and falling is extremely dangerous even though millions of people take showers daily without dying.

[@yellowgecko2772]

@@Nobody-kh2nm you said a light reaction….we aren’t talking about that here. People are entitled to their own opinions. If I had a near death experience with a vaccine, I would be extremely wary to take them again. It’s not really that hard to think. If someone almost drowned in a pool as a child and now they have a fear of large bodies of water, that doesn’t mean they don’t believe others shouldn’t be in pools, that’s their experience and a valid fear.

[@charlie8508]

so basically, if a bridge was 96.80%, you would prefer to swim with the 3.20%

[@charlie8508]

@@IIII...... i cant tell if that’s sarcasm or not however that’s my logic on the case. both my parents are doctors so i’m quite educated and lucky when it comes to learning about this kinda stuff

[@chubnut3671]

@@IIII...... i’m chained up in my room because of you anti vaxxers. got covid from my friend who is unvaaxxed and currently in the hospital. would be in there like him if i didn’t have my vacccine

[@nrlstatistics4898]

You *SERIOUSLY* couldn’t improve the 3.20 by 1?

[@imdumbbut8915]

@@nrlstatistics4898 ???

[@grahamtarkwell7890]

I’m anti life because I can die during life, and that’s too risky.

[@RainbowQuartz2.0]

genius play

[@kiritagalpw872]

Peter Maxwell wow ur genious

[@MemoryPhobia]

This is an epic gamer moment

[@syd_1876]

Genius

[@gabirmol]

Lmao 😂

[@jamesroberts4779]

“The doctor doesn’t know your child as much as you do” You know what he does know Karen? *the human body*

[@snowbird6855]

@Jamrs Roberts Is that why they misdiagnose so often? My friend brought her daughter to the paediatrician several times and repeatedly asked for tests to determine the cause of her symptoms. The doctor kept sending her home. Finally she said after checking online, she suspects diabetes and asked for the child to be tested and he reluctantly agreed. Of course that's what it was. My eldest used to get strep a lot and if it occurred on a weekend, I would go to a walk in clinic. Invariably they'd tell me she doesn't have it yet I would insist on a swab, cuz I knew. And it always came back positive. I was just so familiar with her behavior I knew right away when she had it. Ask anyone with kids and they'll tell you stories like this. Ask your parents.

[@TaiSupreme]

@@snowbird6855 Nice bible

[@danaegregoric7278]

TaiSupreme Edit what? I’m confused?

[@TaiSupreme]

@@danaegregoric7278 I just said that because it is a big text, don't worry about it

[@AnymMusic]

@@snowbird6855 that's called incompetence. not misdiagnose.

[@nakachinjah7240]

When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.

[@varyolla435]

I was in a room and someone farted and the room stank. Thus I will simply hold my breath forever more lest I happen to bump into more people farting because I read a post on Fakebook from a friend of a friend of a friend that inhaling farts can alter my DNA. lol!

[@PineappleSquuid]

This man’s a genius!

[@maisoncastro]

@@varyolla435 Bruh I'm dying

[@goromajima7677]

Bruh just imagine explaining medical stuff to a doctor that spent years studying that same medical stuff, and an extra decade+ of an experience

[@Janen0528]

KIRYU-SAN!

[@riteshsawali264]

Those anti vaxxers cannot even pronounce the name of drugs.

[@caseyguilfoyle4580]

I cant imagine how insulted he must have felt to be told misinformed about his own disciple by a woman who hasn’t even spent a quarter of the time studying it.

[@farethah3409]

Doctors who study 8+ years vs. A person who looks information up. 🤔

[@naimomohamed6953]

One of the doctors was not pro vax

[@farethah3409]

@Zoey Bennett lol because doing your research online is 100% accurate right smh

[@josephrusso4828]

I've seen people disregard proven facts with that attitude

[@josephrusso4828]

Zoey Bennett where else is she supposed to go?

[@josephrusso4828]

Farethah where else is she supposed to go?

[@Hanapetals]

“Doctors don’t know my child like I do”...oh yeah? How about next time your kid gets appendicitis you do the surgery then, bc after all you know best..right? 🙂

[@jolynekujo8078]

Surgery probs doesnt need vaccines

[@anushkapandey8588]

She probably meant in terms of allergies and stuff but the way it was worded kinda seemed ignorant

[@leggo_my_ego3118]

I was the 666 like😳

[@Jordan-nv6hb]

Leggo_my_ego 311 I was the 777th like 😳

[@bernardsoul5186]

@@Jordan-nv6hb I was the 793 like.

[@AndrewMakesPuns]

If Middle Ground has taught me anything, it’s that empathy and understanding is important. Even if you have concrete certainty that you’re right, understanding and treating the other side as human beings is vital, especially if you want to convince them of anything.

[@SinHurr]

Beat them with a stick full of vaccines.

[@multivitamin425]

But you can't because anti-vaxers don't want to be *treated* XD

[@aroach7461]

Except for when they disagree with you. Then you have to fire them from their jobs, attack them in public, wish them death, make death threats to them and dehumanize them then pass laws to put them into prison. Very compassionate wouldn't you say?

[@hellod4036]

⁠@@aroach7461What point are you even trying to make?

[@aroach7461]

@@hellod4036 5 years since this all started. But you forgot? You don't remember when doctors, nurses and people who worked hard, lost their jobs and livelihood over sharing their own thoughts? Their was no middle ground for those people and it was already too late. And 5 years since nobody has come forth to admit they were wrong.

[@spiralfallacy5039]

"The first question is...I am vaccinated." *they all walk up* me: LAUGHING INCREASED

[@lindstheteacher1611]

It’s before Covid.

[@Ichigoyeager.exe1]

Delta: say whatt?

[@liara276]

how was that funny?

[@magicmantis]

Most vaccines happen as children, so what choice did they have until they became adults?

[@olalekancharlesoyeleke4009]

When I was 6 I scraped my knee while walking so I've decided walking is bad now I levitate everywhere.

[@randomdude1967]

Lmao

[@godmodevegeta1216]

A bird hit me while levitating. I teleport now

[@SovietBear4]

Lmao

[@RighteousPretzel]

Subtext Equals Subtext car hit me while teleporting, I now can phase through matter

[@randomdude1967]

@@RighteousPretzel Lmao

[@Happypappytappy]

Telling a physician that they’re wrong is like telling Chef Gordon Ramsey that he’s cooking Risotto wrong.

[@jedimmj11]

Well he did say pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and he's obviously wrong about that, so bad analogy

[@massojupiter3436]

@@jedimmj11 it's a good analogy actually. Toppings on a pizza is an opinion.

[@crazyswag2153]

The Man With The Dash Cam. Same with the Doctor you refused to acknowledge because you need to "research" and the "risks" and "ingredients."

[@jedimmj11]

@@massojupiter3436 I'm just kidding

[@massojupiter3436]

@@jedimmj11 yeah I thought you were for a second but the " bad analogy " confused me a little.

[@RexfromIslaNublar]

David is amazing, he dealt with the situation so well and he had such patience for the other side and kept his cool.

[@jemarrebrown836]

It’s like “Hey I know it’s your job to be a Doctor and you’ve received an education, but I drink kombucha and read Reddit posts so I’m obviously much more knowledgeable than you”

[@howlamethyst9731]

Regarding Melissa, she said there's a medical reason that her daughter cannot receive vaccines herself, and therefore must rely on herd immunity, because she's suffered from reactions to them. So how can she be anti-vax when her daughter relies on others being vaccinated? I can understand if she was just against vaccinating her own child, but to label yourself as totally against vaccinations altogether is ignorant.

[@melissasuzanne801]

soyjaimie I don’t label myself as Anti-vaccine, I am anti-mandates though.

[@jasmineskyy4964]

Melissa Suzanne herd immunity relies on vaccinations

[@emmie9469]

As someone who has a condition in which prevents me from having certain vaccines, I am all for them, because as well as protecting our children and other kids from these diseases, we also need to protect others who can’t have certain vaccines for health reasons. It’s not fair that we should have to suffer at the hands of others

[@meeldowns41682]

Emmie especially when you could get a disease from someone who uses personal belief as a reason to not get vaccinated or vaccinate their children rather than true medical facts and statistics.

[@susielandis1599]

I was thinking they should ask if the people who are against vaccines if they want everyone to not get vaccines, otherwise what are you fighting for? To be heard? I think doctors understands the risks.

[@elusivids8155]

“you’re too young to have arthritis” i can guarantee you no doctor said that. there are different forms of arthritis, some that affect babies. if her doctor said that she needs to change doctors.

[@Agmolly]

cassidy’s edits Doctors say that kind of all the time. Especially to women. Just ask the disabled/chronic illness community.

[@ashleycharmac]

My brother is 18 and he has gout, when it runs in the family it’s pretty common that young adults show symptoms 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@elusivids8155]

Ashley MacLellan exactly. i was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and i’m only 16. arthritis affects many different people of many different ages

[@emmie9469]

That woman actually got on my nerves complaining about arthritis and how she was too young. Mate, I’ve had it since I was TWO. I’m a teenager and I can handle it better than her smh

[@Agmolly]

... I didn’t doubt that? I’ve been sick since I was ...well always, but it really took off when I was 13. I’ve heard “you’re too young for this” for ages. In my personal experience, most of those comments have come from doctors.

[@Nurf]

I love how anti vaxxers was all about "Me", "my kids" and the pro vaxxers were all about "us", "them"

[@afarensis9720]

I've seen that a lot in these kinds of videos. Anti-vaxxers tend to fixate on themselves, whereas pro-vaxxers are compassionate and thinking of their community

[@thorny3218]

🐑

[@stellagrey1465]

@@afarensis9720 why wouldn’t you put yourself and your own family first?

[@afarensis9720]

@@stellagrey1465 your family goes under community too. Also it's not some black and white choice, putting yourself first doesn't mean you have to neglect everyone around you. Not to mention vaccines really don't pose a direct threat to you at all so this whole "putting yourself first" argument doesn't even apply here

[@DIVINEGODDESS_122]

🐑 🐑🐑

[@girlidkwhatimdoingeither9768]

it was interesting to see the pediatrician who is also anti-vax and see his perspective on this. they all seemed so respectful to each other in this one and that was really nice.

[@denhahten3385]

I swear to god melissa's logic is like: Because i'm allergic to almonds, that means that almonds are bad for you and they should be banned

[@magalaleo9949]

We should ban birth because some babies die during pregnancy. I will not stand for this dangerous procedure!

[@Kq31213]

Yeah I stubbed my toe on a chair so all chairs must be burned to a crisp

[@GothBatty]

Haapi Hiivistö I’m eating one now. Omg 😅

[@workout9594]

Haapi Hiivistö it's literally the meme that 700,000 people die in hospitals each year, ban hospitals Complete wilful ignorance

[@thisisgaming1604]

Haapi Hiivistö it’s not "Melissa" it’s measles

[@Devanlander]

It's a scary thing for me to know that even a pediatrician can be an anti-vax person.....

[@s2sHoXXs2]

Dont worry, someone mentioned that the anti vax pediatrician is on probation from the medical board, lol

[@cutingirl]

Santiago PoopPee ScatVore oh yeah. He’s in it to make money. He’s spouting garbage

[@blondexsunshine]

Santiago PoopPee ScatVore what really? I wonder why they chose him for this video then

[@KeenScout.]

He might be faking it

[@GIGIKOOKO]

tell a doctor who’s been studying medicine for years that he’s wrong…what a joke 😭

[@rantingmoron84]

So you don't question authority

[@stefanpennekan2347]

You need to live your life and not let others live it for you.... get different options other wise one guy will tell you ohh you have HIV and now you believe it

[@claire-mariemason711]

I want to take this time to Thank You for having a platform where you give both sides a voice and I don't just mean this subject, I mean Jubilee shows as a whole, also to do it with respect and empathy, its a great joy to see freedom of speech used correctly and not as an excuse for gas lighting entertainment, as is seen often. that the conversions are done correctly with your team and so they have more meaning and powerful impact on our world, as I watch from the UK. again Thank You, and much love and respect to you for this x (PS I am a dyslexic working on it, so sorry for any incorrect spellings/grammar)

[@shanecouver]

It’s educated people against “LALALALA CAN’T HEAR YOU”.

[@imtoosexy9145]

IKR

[@yeah5363]

This is so true

[@CodeineAbdulJabbar]

Did you actually watch the video? Because it kinda seems like you're the one not listening

[@AA-po3hn]

edit: I don't promote the antivax movement

[@Frazier16]

It's like arguing with an adult when your a kid.

[@ShanuPadala]

You could see the frustration in the doctors faces lmao

[@jordancox8280]

One of the anti-vaxxers is a doctor so yes I saw the frustration. Also, incredible how the extremely pro vaccine doctor describes his daughters issues which are proven (included in the vaccine side effects inserts) to be caused by vaccines...

[@bryancastaneda_]

Jordan Cox bet the daughter lives longer than those that aren’t vaccinated... know the pros over the cons

[@RomanReviews]

Bryan Castaneda Well antivaxxers don't have a lower chance of living in the US mainly because most of the population is vaccinated and the disease is mostly dead alrdy. Except for the tetnus types which are a different vaccine anyways.

[@BlockedUser1]

yeah

[@placidsims3091]

QR Studio you just basically proved vaccines good. The only reason anti Vaxxers are living long lives is because the people who do take vaccines protect from spreading the illnesses.

[@nickikoethner]

Thank you for providing this forum- so needed and hopefully helping to bring forth more compassion and less polarization, hatred and tensions that come from the common ground of our fears and need for for security and belonging.

[@varyolla435]

You can not reason with irrationality. So there can be no common ground with those who believe that up is down or that the world is flat etc.. No matter how "nicely" you try to convince them = their minds are gone and it will go in one ear and out the other. Their bodies are here with us = spreading vaccine-preventable illnesses - but their minds are off who knows where. This is why vaccine mandates are finally being implemented in places as these people simply will not respond to logic and reason. Paranoia and incredulity rule their lives now. Something new to think about.

[@aprildattilo5613]

I think it's easier to say that the risks outweighs the reward until you or child suffers some of those risks.

[@varyolla435]

As Willy Wonka would say: _"strike that - reverse it."_ Your "risk" already exists as the infectious pathogens are out there spreading. Ergo you either stimulate immunity via vaccines which stress your body less - OR - you roll the dice to catch the full-blown illness. That of course comes with vastly higher chances for an adverse outcome. A child unable to abide exposure to a weakened vaccine would more than likely react poorly to simply catching the full-blown illness. Think about it.

[@maroonmaroonmaroon2985]

I see you went to the elmo before?!?! Back down from a subway wall down back fro a leave it aloneFjdhajdjfhshdj

[@lavenderlavenderlavender5680]

Second chances 123.. TWO THOUUUSAND TWELVE!!

[@saxphonian2972]

Hold up.. DID A PEDIATRICIAN JUST SAY HE’S ANTIVAX AND CONTINUES TO SAY HE KNOWS THEY WORK.

[@bothpoint8667]

Yep, how contradictory 🙄

[@scottpe6226]

@@bothpoint8667 Nope. You both missed the point. Anti-vaxxers do not say that all vaccines do not work. Some work very well. Others do not. Some have potentially serious long term side effects. Dr. Bob Sears is not anti-vax. He is pro informed consent so that parents and individuals can make an informed decision based on the risks of vaccines.

[@izzyz3400]

I’m guessing he’s antivax about himself and probably his kids, but he has that “you do you boo” mentality to his patients

[@scottpe6226]

@@izzyz3400 - He's not antivax.

[@Nathan-ke3dn]

Seems like he was more or less dragged onto the anti-vax side

[@ThatPrettyGirlMeOT]

Marissa decided that her arthritis came from vaccines through google

[@tthomas2348]

Marissa is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[@spamemail5856]

It could of came through vaccines but I doubt it.

[@kenz8902]

fr

[@arelicruz7530]

IM SAYING 😂😂😂😂😂

[@seaverino5346]

To marissa ... arthritis > death 😂

[@reneegunn95]

Love this format to share different viewpoints. I think this is what this world needs.

[@somyongkim8237]

When people say "Parents know their children best", it is definitely not in medical contexts. 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@sillythygoose]

I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have arthritis in my hands than die from whooping cough

[@scottpe6226]

silly goose - Those are not the choices. You can avoid both outcomes.

[@alyssabelford2454]

I have rheumatoid arthritis in my entire body and it's still better than being dead

[@scottpe6226]

@@alyssabelford2454 - That is true, but again, those are not the options one has to decide between. That is a straw man argument.

[@arbiterexecutioner5245]

well, it's your choice...if any human wants to die, why do we stop them by force?

[@safiyarani4448]

@Aaron Stubbs could it be because a greater number of people are vaccinated rather than unvaccinated? So of course the overall number could be greater but not necessarily the likelihood.

[@costilla1212]

"Everyone who has had a vaccine step forward" *everyone steps forward*

[@juanmarailgun7783]

Well, you need to become an adult to be an anti vaxxer, if you know what I mean-

[@justinfay3011]

"everyone who was not vaccinated, step forward" *dead people crawl out of grave and come sit down*

[@drcoconut935]

Justin Fay lol wtf

[@marygrace2981]

Justin Fay ahahaha

[@DaddyAZTL]

Because the parent made the decision. A child has no real choice .

[@thecluckster3908]

If they are skeptical about doctors and not trusting them, who’s to say the research they did is also not lying to them? Did they go to a trusted source?

[@ardacelep]

People in U.S still have discussions about stuff like this? Man I really don't understand how they're the most powerful country...

[@jarynn8156]

Anti-vax movements are strong in most developed countries. Because Westerners aren't exposed to the horrors of the viruses these vaccines treat, many take for granted how much they owe to them.

[@user-fo7mu7hx4w]

@@jarynn8156 thats true. I live in a "third world " country (India )but i never have heard any opposition to vaccines

[@footballbeast6002]

@@jarynn8156 yeah I agree

[@jackm7812]

"My kid can't take vaccines, so no one should have to."

[@Cultured_shorts]

Ikr these idiots

[@matt4280]

Ikr? It should be "my kid can't take vaccines, so everyone else should."

[@ryanclerk9731]

@@matt4280 No that would be too informed.

[@lxve4540]

AB05 yeah but most of these things just want to cause a riot

[@ryanclerk9731]

@Ebon Knight You're free to be wrong.

[@soumia9945]

Hooooooooooooooooooooow can someone look a doctor in the eye and tell him "i did my own research "?????

[@tetryst]

that is valid in the internet age. A cancer doctor might not know anything about vaccines, but there are a plenitude of sources available online to everyone equally. But ONLY if your sources are plural, credible, and in agreement with one another. The great problem with specialization is that as the amount of information you have authority over becomes more specialized, your authority becomes more suspect -- and just knowing how to figure out who knows the real facts about what is now beyond many of these dullards' grasp. What, in Karen's mind, is the difference between a "doctor" of naturopathy and one who specializes in vaccines? They're both called doctor, so they have the same qualifications, right? Yeah no, hell no, not at all.

[@doyoungi7006]

Doctors are told vaccines are good not how they work, what they are made of, or where they come from. They are told how to use vaccines not why to use them. They make soooooooooooooo much money of vaccines y'all have no idea. Don't come at me I have an antivax mom I have been feed lies. I will vaccinate my kids when I have them even though I don't have any.

[@kearstonleAnnHale]

Wow so the internet isn’t a creditable source 🤭 lmao

[@markcerne1313]

​@@tetryst man if you study to be a doctor you learn about everything in great detail, then you specialize in your chosen field. The first statement you made is not true.

[@ismetalikk]

@@doyoungi7006 It's funny what you're saying because you ALSO learn in school how vaccines work.

[@supisaraangthong]

The thing that anti vaxxers don’t get is that if a person is allergic to vaccines and can’t be vaccinated, that person is actually being protected from diseases by herd immunity, by people who are vaccinated. This is why vaccines are important.

[@varyolla435]

Actually they get it = but they simply do not care. Vaccine opponents by and large are usually consumed with "me" = rather than "we". If you pay attention to what they say to rationalize their beliefs they are almost always emblematic of facile logic and egocentrism for their part. They are not looking at the larger picture here - usually on purpose. Have a nice day.

[@supisaraangthong]

@@varyolla435 oh god. That’s even worse.😟

[@tryingtobebetter5382]

Ok so i am from India and for those who have no idea it's because of aggressive vaccine drives our country is free from polio and yaws. Smallpox is non existent now . Due to BCG now many don't suffer from tuberculosis . Vaccines have been boon to us. If u live in a first world privileged society with none of our tropical diseases u should be thankful. If u are anti vax u are nothing but ignorant. Yes risks are always their but trust me u don't want to suffer from polio , smallpox or tb , you have no idea how debilitating those conditions are .

[@531lalalala]

I feel like some people shouldn’t have children

[@memo-sn1gu]

True

[@avi_621]

Ya like pro vaccine people.

[@Oregon8456]

Problem is... they usually have the most

[@avi_621]

Funny Squid funny thing......... I am not trolling

[@NoName-nf5xl]

Avi Equine F$&k

[@Emilio21Tim]

I want middle ground between people who believe in covid and people who don’t

[@sonic3817]

Well you obviously don’t if you want people to come here and possibly spread the virus. I think they should do this virtually, stop trying to spread corona.

[@sonic3817]

Kamogelo Maponya that’s literally what I said, try reading

[@Seven-vn6qi]

Drunk Sonic who shat in ya cereal

[@sonic3817]

Revenant joe

[@audreyjones7990]

Ngl sounds like an argument between trump supporters and everyone else

[@shrutivish9979]

saying it louder for the people at the back: CORRELATION IS NOT EQUAL TO CAUSATION!!

[@jonathana1572]

"Why wear body armor, plate carriers and helmets if bullets still go through helmets and the armor plates don't cover the whole body?"

[@jamescarew4426]

As someone who was born and raised in Sierra Leone, one of the poorest countries in the world, I will attest that vaccines should be a must and should be considered a privilege to have. The infant mortality alone in countries where kids don't get vaccinated is atrocious. Also, being an educated person means that you realize there will always be a risk factor to anything in life. What matters in the end is "Does it do more good than harm". My 2 cents.

[@ritvikkanchanapally7909]

Your English is very good

[@ritvikkanchanapally7909]

@tututuims ieijebdo not u, the guy raised in Sierra Leone

[@jamescarew4426]

@@ritvikkanchanapally7909 thank you.

[@bigsplash6055]

James Carew THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE IS TOO PERFECT

[@jamescarew4426]

@@bigsplash6055 much appreciated

[@ginnybayliss2885]

“It’s as if not being a doctor somehow makes my opinion less valid.” That’s because it DOES. Your opinion on medicine IS less valid than someone who has studied for a decade and then followed that with many years of real world experience, because they are experts in this subject. What a weird sense of entitlement to think that your opinion bares the same weight as that of a qualified medical professional.

[@ginnybayliss2885]

Lizzie Allen read it again without the dumbass goggles on. I didn’t say doctors are never wrong, in fact I never said anything about who’s right or wrong at all. I said that her opinion does carry less weight than that of someone trained to understand the condition of sick people, since she has no formal training. Whine about it all you like, the doctors opinion is infinitely more valid than her own.

[@jonathanarroyo6319]

Lizzie Allen and who are you getting that 2nd opinion from? That’s right ANOTHER DOCTOR. Lol

[@sammysaito529]

Lizzie Allen So do you think a opinion of a doctor that have years of study and experience is better then a opinion of a mon that say she did "research" on the Internet? The Internet are never wrong right?

[@constanzainzunza3482]

Lizzie Allen so you can ask another DOCTOR 🙄

[@justinz9225]

The key word is "opinion". As if opinion has anything to do with it. Doctors can obviously be wrong, but we have the data to demonstrate the effects. We have the peer reviews and the studies. It has nothing to do with opinion.

[@chloe5555]

Non of the "anti vax" parents were saying that no vaccines should be used.. I didn't hear that once. Literally all they were asking for was compassion and to be heard regarding the adverse reactions they and their kids experienced. Just because I won't vaccinate myself with flu vaccines because of the adverse reactions I've personally had doesn't mean I don't think other people who don't experience that shouldn't. I did even get the flu vaccine while pregnant for the benefit of my son and he didn't move for 3 days afterwards, went into severe distress and I ended up with an emergency c-section. Still don't think others shouldn't vaccinate if they feel safe to.

[@varyolla435]

Look at the possible side effects of a give vaccine. Now look at what the infectious disease the vaccine helps prevent also causes in humans infected with it = note the similarity of symptomatology. Thus as both can cause a similar outcome it becomes a matter of which one is more likely to elicit those adverse side effects. History and science show that the chances of your incurring a serious side effect from vaccination is a fraction of the same should you simply catch the infectious disease in question. Meanwhile the more people vaccinated the better the "herd immunity" = which helps reduce local incidence of the illness = which reduces your chances of being exposed in the first place. As vaccines elicit weaker immune reactions by design than simple becoming infected it bears noting that people unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = would likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply being infected to bear a full-blown infection. So it is always sad when someone reacts badly to vaccination. Yet the reality is that far more react worse to simply acquiring these vaccine-preventable illnesses. Exposure becomes a matter of "when" rather than "if". 🤔

[@althepsyphros3314]

​@@varyolla435 If that was true we could compare the health of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people throughout history and now and see who is better off. No studies like that have been done on more than one vaccine at a time in isolation, and many vaccines haven't even been looked at at all. Isolated studies, while helpful, don't tell us about accumulative effects and the combination of vaccines at once. (Note these isolated studies aren't vaxxed unvaxxed studies they are partiallyv vaxxed Vs fully vaxxed So you have to compare fully vaxxed and fully unvaxxed as well. Also, we don't really know for sure what the effectiveness of vaccines is. We cannot easily assess what percentage of the decrease in death and cases since vaccine rollouts is due to vaccines causally because other things have played massive roles in that mitigation. It's also easy to misdiagnose diseases. For example, we know many cases of polio were misdiagnosed and were really something else like transverse Myelitis or GBS , and diseases that may have been caused by other things or caused by polio through other things. One theory that has never been put to bet regarding polio is that there was a lot of gut cell damage caused by the overusage of dangerous pesticides like DDT and lead arsenate over the 20th century that we knew caused paralysis in animals that we knew caused damage to the lower gut wall. This would explain a lot. It would explain why polio effected young children more than adults, because the gut is closer to the spinal cord in young children and polio viruses are contained in the gut microbiome close enough to the spine that it could transport over to it through this damage. It would also explain why every other theory scientists thought explained why polio effected kids more than adults didn't work out. It would explain why it affected the legs more so than anywhere else. Which is also something doctors and scientists couldn't make sense of with any other explanation. It would explain why it was so seasonal, and so common in the summer months, when these chemicals were sprayed all over the food. Which is also something the scientists couldn't explain any other way. It would also explain why polio so badly affected countries like the USA where pesticides like DDT were sprayed to oblivion onto all the food and crops and in the streets. And why polio didn't affect the Philippinos when Americans in the Philippines were suffering so badly. It would also explain why people in the country and rural areas knew about polio more than in the suburbs. The list goes on, temporalily and chronologically there is strong correlation too. So it's not as obvious as you think.

[@varyolla435]

@@althepsyphros3314 🦜 Your cut & paste response typifies the superficial logic behind vaccine opposition. I suppose I should thank you for that example. Everything you just ranted - everything = belies *NOT* understanding. Your Polio rationalization is an example of incredulity-based logic as you gin up endless "what if......" responses so as to justify your obvious lack of understanding here = yet nothing indicates a desire to rectify the problem. Polio is not misdiagnosed for the simple fact that anyone presenting with neurological symptoms synonymous with Polio would be tested = and the presence of the virus would show. Vaccine-preventable illnesses such as Polio are "reportable events" and thus anyone suspected must be tested and if positive = that is reported. Similarly Poliovirus is spread via contaminated water/sewage and accordingly sources of water - such as contaminated wells in your rural areas or pools etc. such as people visit in the warmer weather = facilitate its spread. The virus can exist in the environment for up to 2 months - further enhancing its ability to spread. So all you ranted is explainable if you understand the science - which you don't. p.s. - there are loads of safety studies out there relating to co-administration of vaccines on the schedule. Perhaps you should parrot anti-vaccine talking points and conjecture less = and learn the science and study the issue more. So much for purported "self-research". Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias as always rules for some.

[@varyolla435]

@@govlovesyou1334 You haven't actually said anything you know. So one can assume your understanding here = is similarly nil. So how's the weather in St. Petersburg??? 🤨

[@loububbas]

This was so heartwarming to watch because I feel like we're so divided as a society when we should all be respecting each other just like this video showed

[@varyolla435]

Lies which act to harm others are still lies irrespective of how "nice" the person advocating the lie is or how nice those who listen are in response. So what matters here is not meaningless fixation upon "niceties". What matters is what the vaccine opponents claim is dubious in its content and it results in harm to others via allowing vaccine-preventable illnesses to continue to exist in the public space. Not all "opinion" merits countenance if it results in harm to others.

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

You can't respect an opinion based on idiocy, bias, and feelings.

[@laurenguilmeyer5197]

My favorite part of this is "just because you don't have the 'Dr.' in front of your name it doesn't make your opinion less valuable".. Yeah concerning medical advice it does

[@SouthernSara23]

Lauren Guilmeyer my thoughts exactly! Your opinion is not valuable medical advice if you aren’t a trained medical professor.

[@Carlmdb]

But..but she knows her kids better than the Dr. SMH.

[@sam3488]

Carlmdb she knows her kids personally but she doesn’t know ANYTHING medically. Compared to him.

[@Carlmdb]

I know. I was taking the piss.

[@center12]

I'm a medical student with an engineering degree. I told a friend of mine, who happens to be a firefighter... "Look, debating me about science with no backing is like me debating you about how you should fight a fire."

[@missbeliever2610]

how are the anti-vaxxers talking about the pros downplaying something while completely downplaying all the risks of not vaxxing themselves?

[@humblemumble27]

omg preach!

[@mephisto2812]

Because they only care about their own opinion and don't care about the safety of their kids...

[@GrowingDownUnder]

vaccines only help build a resistance to the virus, the vaccine contain a virus and antigen but usually in very small amounts. This allows your body to recognize the virus when it enters your body and fight it off easier if you encounter the virus later in life. Just like water resistant technology, it's not water proof. Same with vaccines you are not virus proof. A misunderstanding is that if you're vaccinated you can't catch the virus which is false. You'd still catch the virus either way but the people who are vaccinated can fight off infection easier due to being exposed to the virus through vaccines the immune system recognizes it. Well that's what the theory says, there is exceptions like if you have a weak immune system then your body doesn't fight it off quicker and you still get it. There's been cases of people who are vaccinated against measles or the flu they still get measles /flu mostly due weak immune system. There is also many strains of viruses and virus evolve over time they are always changing. 1 vaccine is not a cure it all medicine it doesn't work like that. The risks of not vaccinating are exactly the same as being vaccinated, but vaccines come with their own risk of injury ranging from allergic reactions, contaminated vaccines & toxins. We know that vaccine injury definitely exists because of the victims and because vaccine court has paid them money for it after they were able to prove it was caused by vaccines. We know in some rare circumstances children have even died from vaccines as with the recent case in samoa. You can spread germs on hands even if vaccinated, I believe good hygiene and sterilizing the surface of anything you touch / eat off is the key to staying virus free.

[@itateigman6746]

seems like you're basing your opinions on unfounded industry "science". Vaccines do not, and never did - contribute towards good health in the least!

[@humblemumble27]

GrowingDownUnder yes, i agree with keeping a good hygiene and all that stuff. having yourself vaccined first is your choice anyway. what i learn is that, it’s better to do a prevention first and that’s it.

[@abigailedwards3843]

I'm a teen I'm not an expert in the medical field. But I do know this. Many Pro-vaxxers *are* hostile to anti-vaxxers, and that's from my personal experience, - and reading this comment section. (Personally I've seen healthy unvaccinated kids and unhealthy vaccinated kids, Soo...🤨) All I know is I could look a nurse in the face and question them about the shot they gave a child I was close to, (a child who then consequently died) and have them say 'i'd do it again.' And from that day to now, who knows, she probably has.

[@varyolla435]

Your argument here as it happens = is what one would expect from a kid - just saying. 1 - you *ASSUME* all the anti-vaxxers you see here are real people. That is a poor assumption. Trolls/bots/sock puppet accounts are legion on this platform. 2 - asking questions is okay. Presuming to know the proper answer when you admit you do not understand the science however........ 3 - the infectious diseases that vaccines work against are real = ergo their impact is also therefore real. In other words stop acting like only vaccines carry "risk" as that is superficial thinking. If a dozen people a year react badly to say the MMR vaccine to end up filing a claim with the VICP in the US = actual Measles alone used to send tens of thousands to the hospital each year before there was an MMR vaccine - it is a matter of historical record. Thus serious adverse reactions to vaccination are very rare - exceedingly rare. The same occurring as a result of people who catch the illness in question however = are much, much more frequent. You see one outcome or the other will happen because of #3. Your chances with vaccination are exponentially better. Final thought. Vaccines are weaker by design. So a person unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = think how they would react to simply catching the full-blown infectious disease "naturally"...... 🤔

[@spikebat]

I swear to god, jubilee's next video is going to be murderers and non murderers- middle ground

[@Cantbebotheredbyyouanymore]

The woman with the bangs looks EXACTLY how I think an anti-vaxxer mom looks

[@KangarooFam]

If you don’t know what bangs are because you ain’t North American, it means fringe

[@Cantbebotheredbyyouanymore]

Kangaroo Fam bro I’m not even North American, I’m Danish

[@VegetTable]

@AB05 man, if you're going to make some "research", do it with some degree of scholarship. Study about it, really study, talk with professionals, get to know the process behind making a vaccine; some of the scientists behind them can wait years till one gets approved and they're constantly being improved so the side-effects have a smaller chance to happen. The problem with anti-vaxxers is the same as flat earthers, they research on Google but they don't even take the work to study in real life about what they're talking about; I'm not saying to blindly trust those who studied tho but I'm saying to study for yourself in a real school. Also, most of the people who make vaccines don't even profit that much as all the "researchers" says, they have sometimes to **give** the vaccine (just like on that pandemic situation we're at), and most of the time they spend even more than they will ever make selling it. One last thing that I highly recommend for anti-vaxxers: STUDY MEDICINE.

[@billyblack1138]

Kangaroo Fam thx

[@stuff5757]

I'm surprise she got bangs, who would want to marry an Anti-vaxxer?

[@bonerpics8811]

Pro-Vaxxiners: I’m a licensed doctor Anti-Vaxxer:well I did my own research

[@coolfred9083]

Anti-vaxx research = look at random, unreliable stuff on the internet

[@jacobdebon3260]

Im not a anti vax but thats appeal to authority

[@coolfred9083]

@@jacobdebon3260 I'd still rather trust a trained doctor who has studied this than some random parent who has looked at some unreliable stuff on the internet.

[@coolfred9083]

@Great Gatsby Do you have a document or source about how doctors aren't educated? I some how find that hard to believe. And we aren't talking about a general doctor who hasn't specialised in vaccines, we're taking about the doctors who study and create them. I'm pretty sure they're educated about them.

[@coolfred9083]

@Great Gatsby I literally said "I'd rather trust a trained doctor who has studied this" not a doctor more specialised in something else. But even then, they'll know more than the average parent who looked stuff up on the internet.

[@majdavojnikovic]

" just because I don't have dr in front of my name doesn't mean that my opinion is less valid" yes, it does, actually.

[@itisjessie986]

Please redo this episode! Perfect time with the covid era, quarantines, and the new variants!

[@snowcat9703]

With actual anti-vaxxers(which we are more simply pro-choice ) that have a medical background(many of us exist)… so people can actually stop using that as a poor excuse for having a differing opinion.

[@rigel3992]

"I've had death threats on social media." From what? Polio? Measles?

[@aliciadieguezgalaz93]

💀💀💀

[@illwearyourrainbowhat7827]

i CHOKED

[@pinkrainclouds2190]

I wish someone there had said this.

[@y2k863]

LMFAOOO

[@dayleo]

Not funny

[@nexxxxxxxxx383]

I'm anti-breathing because there's a lot of air pollution and I might get sick.

[@LordMedic]

Yo I am anti-water as well cuz you can drown

[@patricktsai2303]

Did you know breathing air causes lung cancer?

[@RealElevenTimes]

Hey, I'm against breathing t...

[@starlite8348]

Mhmm i am too

[@killerr-co6di]

Yo im anti-life because every life ends in death

[@cillianodonovan9621]

Answer: 100% get vaccinated now

[@darkserpent6884]

wrong answer

[@JobHuntingAbroad]

I LOVE these conversations 💕 Let's listen to each other....I'm so, so tired of all the conflict online. Can we somehow stop?

[@varyolla435]

Nope. Perhaps it is time to forgo the naivety here. Just saying. Moral of the story: not every argument merits consideration let alone countenance. If someone was threatening to come burn your house down would you debate them - or call the cops??? I rather think the latter and the reason is obvious = potential harm to others............so it is here. The end result of vaccine resistance = perpetuation of infectious diseases and ultimately harm and death of others. Anti-vaccination is the very essence of selfishness. People are putting their own ideological beliefs over the safety of others. What anti-vaxxers really want is not a supposed "choice" as actually they are denying others that very thing. By allowing infectious diseases to propagate they facilitate others being infected against their will. What they really are demanding is to evade responsibility for those poor choices. So no = their supposed "concerns" are subjective and not based upon legitimate science. As such their have no real point as this is about one thing only = *PUBLIC* health and not whimsical belief. Sometimes people must be pushed to do the right thing - even if they do not see the reasons behind it. Something new to think about.

[@queenofanon9972]

This issue isn't gonna be solved by just discussing. There has to be a conclusion and a compromise, which clearly didn't happen in this video

[@jdubo1998]

@@queenofanon9972 We should take anti-vaxxers and push it somewhere else.

[@iwanteat.7273]

There’s a HUGE different between FACTS and OPINIONS.

[@dylanpaige3763]

that’s funny cause that’s what doctors give us...medical opinions

[@mohamednisaal4606]

@@dylanpaige3763 no they give facts 🤦

[@s.t.7702]

@@mohamednisaal4606 I asked my Dr for the insert in the vaccine (MMR) He just yelled at me that he'll be calling CPS. Clearly states on the insert that the side effect may include; seizures, anaphylactic shock, and even death. All i wanted was to ask him what his 'opinion' is on that.

[@mohamednisaal4606]

@@s.t.7702 well that doctor might be not good so did you try asking other doctors "opinions"

[@lildawg4682]

He protecc He attacc But most importantly He pro-vacc

[@alexandrucristian8797]

He not atacc He not protecc But most importantly: He anti-vaxx

[@Frenchmarigolds]

Alexandru Valcaneantu just doesn’t rhyme try again

[@gyuisthebeom]

😂😂😂

[@aiyandi_]

this comment is gold

[@edt973nj]

ur comment gave me mild cancer

[@PcfulSol]

Can we get them back as an update? Especially the guy who says they test him before putting it out.

[@sarahtonin_p7869]

Melissa: "I know my child better then you, so I don't trust you doctor: "your child has cancer" Melissa: "no she doesn't, because I know my child, and I know she wouldn't have it" the cancer:.........

[@jojiberry99]

You can tell the Pedatric Intensive Care Unit Doctor is trying so hard to be respectful for the anti-vaxxers, and you can see the sadness in his eyes about their opinions and how it can affect the greater good.

[@lucymachin6697]

srv3fender not how that works

[@yoboiboy4182]

srv3fender 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@angelicasr5552]

And he is still blamed for lack of compassion...

[@hectorgray8542]

@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender imagine being so oblivious to the reality that you start thinking like this guy

[@jlann8243]

That's why I dislike when people talk about personal opinions it hinders the actual discussion . Just speak about it in general and focus on the facts and stats.

[@fv4328]

“I’m not gonna be able to send my kids to school because of the way I think” no ma’am you’re not gonna be able to send your kids to school because they’re a threat to other kids

[@joebobjenkins7837]

You mean a threat to all those "protected" children?

[@z.4158]

JoeBob Jenkins no, it’s a threat to children w things like cancer who have a weakened immune system, it’s a risk to elderly teachers w weakened immune systems, it’s a risk to children who are unable to get vaccines due to allergies. In these cases, herd immunity is important

[@cerisemin]

No the other kids are a threat to them, "oh timmy Just has a little cold" *timmy coughs* *non vaxxed kid starts a 4 day long dying process*

[@fv4328]

Cerise Min I know but I was taking about non vaxx kids carrying unknown or old diseases and passing it down to other kids even if they’re vaxx

[@cerisemin]

@@fv4328 I was taking the time to make a joke

[@tempa04]

Super respectful.. great conversation 😍

[@jdleviathan6319]

Personally I'm a pro for vaccines and thought this would just be another angry conversation but this is actually nice to see and to hear how much I agree with both sides as well as disagree with some other things

[@jackcraine22]

Doctor: this is a fact Mother: no.

[@owbahraniya500]

Jack Huntsman Yes. Exactly my mom. She says nope don’t trust them they know NOTHING

[@sydthakyd98]

“Because the internet says so”

[@brochiing4295]

@@sydthakyd98 and are the same ones to say not everything is true, these people are hypocrites

[@dr.mantistoboggan9695]

Doctor:this is a needle. Mother:no that's autism.

[@kalsabrain1370]

@philip trevor And that source is a collection of decades of reaserch, experience and sacrifice. Made by millions...

[@Alexandra-xc4vs]

i cringed when that lady said “safe-ish”.

[@Tosaaa]

Ikr, wouldn't you rather be "safe-ish" than not safe, wtf is wrong with people these days

[@katieishere3187]

Safe-ish vs the unsafe of diseases that they prevent lmao

[@dougcane4059]

Vaxed vs unvaxed research has never been done, why?? - Here's an important book: "TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN - Vaccine Science and Myth"

[@jenn8470]

Best book ever

[@naimurrahman3570]

Your feelings getting hurt is more important than your child's life!? That's fucked up.

[@ConfuciusJr]

The girl with bangs has not thought through the implications of anti-vax when it comes for her daughter. If she has a reaction and cannot get vaccinated her only protection is herd immunity. It would be better for her daughter that everyone is vaccinated, and I don’t think she understands that.

[@ConfuciusJr]

Lone Wolf yes thats what she says but the way she answers some if the questions is troubling. For example she does not come forward with “not getting vaccinated endangers other people” this is evidence to my original point of her not fully realizing the implications of anti-vax. Her daughter is at the highest risk of endangerment being medically unable to be vaccinated. Herd immunity is the the only defense of her daughter and she seems to be fine with people not being vaccinated without there being a medical reason.

[@nikibronson133]

Yeah

[@adinrud4829]

It shouldn't be a choice tho don't get vaccsinates. Safe dont go to school and risk the health of others. That's your choice and it seems pretty fair to me

[@sabr2211]

I wish she saw this

[@BarbraCherry_]

Yeah I thought the same...

[@Pierceb6]

Pro vaccine: 3 doctors Anti vaccine:1physician-1Designer-and the other lady doesn’t even know what job she has officially

[@EHowdy97]

A physician who has had his license revoked due to giving false information

[@snoopdogg7407]

Man's went to med school to get revoked

[@AquielN]

And the anti vaccine physician even agreed that vaccines work, he contradicted himself

[@cedrics7374]

Nope.. Pro vaccine : 1 self proclaimed parenting expert, 2 physicians. Anti vaccine 1 physician, 1 designer and 1 person who either has no job or doesn’t care to tell You see pro vaxers like to exaggerate their intelligence..

[@haydenwilliams4562]

Cédric S ah yes. The great exaggeration of spending 4-10 years studying medicine and making that known when asked!

[@pandit7130]

They lost the argument as soon as they came forward when said "I am vaccinated" 😂😂

[@darkserpent6884]

i feel you on that

[@jimmymonet1882]

You should bring this group back for an update, post covid chat.

[@yulizamora-otanez9129]

“I read blogs.. I know more than doctors do.” Sis, doctors go through 4 years of college. 4 years of MS. 4 years of training in your work (Intern, Resident, Attending). The doctor knows better than bloggers. Bye.

[@michellepet40]

Yuliza Mora-Otanez finally someone said it, Jesus.

[@cpeigney94]

This isn't even debatable to be honest.

[@nicolehealy2489]

laliraigo I know just get your children vaccinated

[@FrannieFibgert]

What is debatable is if anti vaxxers are even real human beings

[@i_v-ro4of]

Exactly! There’s a reason my town’s public schools require them!

[@theparalumans2064]

Here here

[@AppleBottomJ]

laliraigo yeah but it’s just to hear other people’s opinions

[@marisaferreira288]

Can the world stop saying "I need to do my research"? None of these people without a degree have done any significant or comparable "research" to what scientists do.

[@varyolla435]

What do you mean. Do you not realize they are graduates of the "University" of Fakebook/Instagarbage/Twit-R/Faux News........ 🤣

[@spaRKLES88604]

This hits differently now

[@IyadhGmati]

What scares me is how that anti vax mom keeps correcting the doctor and genuinely believes she’s right and he’s wrong!

[@jmartini544]

Des are only taught they are safe and effective they learn nothing else about vaccines in med school...so the parent is usually waaaaaay more educated on VACCINES

[@ericy1817]

@@jmartini544 Are you kidding? Doctors go through years of study on all topics, including on vaccines, and you seriously believe a parent who has spent a couple hours on the internet is more educated than a doctor? Furthermore, the mechanisms of vaccines are taught in high school biology classes, and the anti-vaxxers are even getting those simple facts wrong.

[@najwaf2670]

Eric stop just stop. Doctors aren't Gods like calm down. Just cause someone "studies" something, and also if I might add, everything you are taught is all pre determined cause they want you to believe these things So please just stop. So many of these articles we reference and read are written by previous doctors who studied medicine. Go watch Vaxxed and just stop It goes so far beyond what you studied in school, it's called COMMON SENSE and I dont know about you put I trust in the body and immune system that GOD gave me

[@mochacocobread8310]

Najwa F If you have so much trust in your god than I’m sure you’ll have much more fun seeing him sooner than later

[@ericy1817]

@@najwaf2670 OK, let me break your comment down. 1. "Doctors aren't gods" No, I'm not saying they are, I'm saying that because they have devoted their life into one field means they should have more of a say in that field. 2. "Everything you are taught is all pre determined cause they want you to believe these things." I don't know about you, but a lot of doctors and people in med school are able to test many of the things they learn by themselves to see for themselves. Not all of school is just lectures. 3. "I trust in the body and immune system" I do too. I trust my body to be able to fend of common diseases. However, many diseases are so bad or lethal that I don't trust my body to completely prevent symptoms, or to rid the disease during incubation period, during which, I might add, there is minimal immune response. I don't want to run the risk of getting these diseases, which is why I am pro-vaccine. 4. The definite response: If you don't want diseases in you, why do you get vaccines? In response to that, I would like to say that I have a healthy immune system and do not have any autoimmune disorders. Therefore, I would rather be exposed to weakened or inactive pathogens in a controlled environment in a scientifically tested manner than come into contact in the environment, where bodily harm is more likely.

[@vale-zk3ut]

I hate how these anti-vax soccer moms say they do "research", when their idea of research is visiting the second page of google search results

[@maddybanko]

Oskar the second page of google search results is biased, government propaganda

[@kagedghost3079]

ive done plenty of research none of which was on google but whatever 😂

[@JC-qe9be]

and apparently their research is equal to years of studying and practicing to earn an MD

[@panzerschiff9805]

@@JC-qe9be And with strict restrictions, rules , exams etc.

[@Pri-ze7fv]

Burn

[@johnsmith-yv7rp]

That lady saying her doctor doesn’t know her child... she is gonna have huge bias such as anxiety for her kids safety and overanalyse therefore being less objective. Also there’s a reason doctors have the title - they train for years critically analysing medical evidence and though some make mistakes, you can get a second opinion but unfortunately most people aren’t educated enough to evaluate all the data of each vaccine/disease pathology themselves so you need to trust them at some point.

[@varyolla435]

People often become inured to their surroundings. Thus as an example a person who is beginning to manifest signs of Alzheimer's may see family members as the last ones to catch on as they simply "get used to" what they see every day. More importantly here however is they are not qualified to objectively view what they see so as to reach possible conclusions = whereas doctors are. So you are correct in that the "it is my child" is not a valid point from which to possibly assess behavioral abnormalities as parents are not trained to do so. A doctor sees lots of children on a regular basis and thus know exactly what to look for as they often see these abnormal behaviors as well as are educated on what to look for. People like to rationalize based upon ignorance and assumption - which is what you see here. Have a nice day.

[@dylanasaurasrex2612]

That lady with the bangs takes things very personally. It’s unfortunate she feels so vulnerable and attacked. Breathe.

[@rynfornow3411]

Some kids are allergic to peanuts, and can be deadly to them. Does that mean peanuts are the devil and no one else should eat them? No.

[@nowGo4ward]

But to avoid an epidemic of allergies to peanuts we need to avoid injecting proteins from them and avoid injection of anything that mimics their proteins and probably also need to avoid compromising their gut lining integrity when they or their breast-feeding mothers are eating them.

[@rynfornow3411]

nowGo4ward I’m just making an analogy here... I’m saying that peanuts aren’t evil just because some are allergic to them, same as vaccines (I know peanuts aren’t #1 healthiest food or Everyone should eat peanuts or whatever, I’m just saying that a hyper-rare case of a good product creating a negative side effect on a child does not make the product evil, it’s just not good for that specific individual child).

[@djkdmddkekwjwn2061]

next vid: Pro-Peanuter vs Anti-Peanuter : Should You Buy Peanuts?

[@eax2010EA]

But it means you should be caution to them to some extent.

[@calebmcavoy5226]

I like how the random anti vaccine mom is trying to tell the doctor he’s wrong lol

[@morrancs2]

lmao

[@keifoster9789]

@@peaceofcake2153 no but hes a professional who knows what hes talking about.

[@chrisbacon7277]

I'd much rather trust a professional with my health than a random soccer mom

[@RowanBuchananroabie]

@@peaceofcake2153 You're not wrong but he knows better than her. By far. She uses her anecdotal experience from herself vs his decades of knowledge and hundreds, if not thousands, of patients.

[@RowanBuchananroabie]

dark green leaves He said to not blindly trust, to question and discuss but that the pros outweigh the cons. Which is all true.

[@jraymond1988]

So basically educated vs. uneducated?

[@rantingmoron84]

Educated these days don't mean mutch

[@Lulu-xl5cm]

No, just different views and beliefs.

[@Grateful4God24.7]

It’s unbelievably disheartening to see how much judgment and hate lies within these public comments. Middle Ground’s mission is to bridge a gap and provide an opportunity for individuals to see why someone holds a different opinion and belief than they do. This channel is to invite compassion, empathy, and allow us to see something from someone else’s perspective. The people in these videos are real people who deserve to be heard. It takes a lot of courage to voice one’s beliefs knowing it will be heard and seen by many. Each person on this video deserves a pat on the back and some respect. Please put your pride aside before making a comment that is putting someone else down!

[@varyolla435]

Do you work for Middle Ground??? If not = how then do you get to decide what their videos are supposedly about??? Moral of the story: your "perspective" - aka your "opinion" - is your problem I'm afraid. In matters of public health all that matters is = "science". There is no perspective in science = merely credible evidence or a lack thereof. Thus poorly formed assumptions and opinions which are subjective to the individual alone and which act to undermine public health = merit no countenance whatsoever. This is not an abstract issue. It is pure cause & effect. When *INFECTIOUS* diseases are allowed to spread and mutate owing to the poor choices of some based upon their whimsical "perspective" = others are harmed. Think harder and stop rationalizing bad behavior.

[@Grateful4God24.7]

@@varyolla435 I am simply trying to invite more compassion and empathy into the discussions we have as humans on controversial topics with one another. Your reply seems very defensive and emotionally charged. I’m not trying to argue science vs. opinion or get anyone riled up. I just care about all people and want to be able to have calm and caring conversations where each party is heard. I hope you, your family, and anyone you know has a blessed and prosperous life! Peace be with you :).