DEEP DIVE: Who is White in America?

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Beneath the Surface: What Does 'White' Mean in America?
We dive deep into the multi-faceted concept of "white" identity within the U.S. landscape. Using the iceberg metaphor, the content ventures below the waterline, uncovering 5 layers of history, evolution, and societal implications that the term holds. It's not just about skin color; it's an exploration of the complexities and nuances associated with the term in America's intricate tapestry. Join us as we decode the depths of this identity and its pivotal role in shaping national narratives.
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Come join me on a new docu-series that explores identity, racial tensions in the South during the 20th century, and the unique experiences of those who historically called Louisiana home.
My name is Danielle Romero, and all my life, I have romanticized Louisiana.
Growing up in New York, it represented a place where I could step back the sepia-toned life of my great grandmother, Lola Perot, who died before I was born.
Now, it was time to go back to Louisiana--although I had no idea what the truth would be or what questions to ask---who was Lola really? Who were we?
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[@janewx1]

I think what you are doing is awesome! Iceberg metaphore I think works. I was thinking How can you take a deep dive into what or who is white without mentioning or bringing up Madison Grant. They guy not only had a lot of political influence but wrote the blueprint on who is white and the preservation of the white race. He was also based in New York if I’m not mistaken.

[@geysi6122]

Hi Danielle, The Constitution of Texas, 1845 Author(s): Frederic L. Paxson Source: The Southwestern Historical Quarterly, Vol. 18, No. 4 (Apr., 1915), pp. 386-398 Published by: Texas State Historical Association. Read page 392. It discusses what white meant pre-civil war before everyone was forced into the jurisdiction of the several states.

[@geysi6122]

In the "states in the union," white meant electorate, meaning a land owner. In "the several states," white meant Anglo Saxon, a political status.

[@jeffbillings-el6110]

There's no such people with White skin , or Black skin for that matter 🤔 White and Black are Metaphors 🤔🤔🤔 White and Black are used to describe a inner condition , the condition of the inner soul . Melanated people were created with Purified [ Metaphor for White ] souls Not White as in White paint 🤔🤔🤔 White as in purity , Purified , pure , clean , flawless , innocence , perfect , perfection . Man is made in the [ Image ] and after the likeness of the Great GOD , and his name being written in our flesh so all will know who the Great GOD is , and who made us 🤔 Melanated people with White souls is bless with the ability to Purify our souls whenever our souls attracts Sin, the sin from earthly things . The same way we wash our bodies with soap and water to cleanse and purify our bodies whenever our bodies attracts dirt 🤔 Our souls were made to Purify our soul of sins . Europeans , Pale skin Race , had Purified souls , but the were melanated people at that time , their souls were Purified as well before their souls turned Black again , Black is a [ metaphor ] for evil , wick , death , and disobedience 🤔🤔🤔 this is Black , words carry Spirits 🤔 The Spirit of Black is death , misery , sorrow , suffering , mourning , pain , ignorance , Unconscious , unclean , unholiness , ungodly , captivity , demons or demonic , weakness, etc... If you look up the word Black in a esoteric dictionary or a Etymology dictionary you will discover that Black means Pale 🤔🤔🤔 check it out ! Pale means bleached or to turn something colorless , hueless Black means lifeless ( their souls have no life ] Pale skin people that is 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Melanated people has an Olive complexion . the fruit of the Olives has different has many different shades , each shade represents each shade of the Hu-man Race , except the Pale skin Race , Europeans🤔🤔🤔🤔 Because they are the offsprings of Cain , the one that received the MARK , ( Curse ) Mutated , turned Pale ! 🤔🤔🤔 and they were Casted Out from being among GODS PEOPLE🤔 People of Olive complexions 🤔 Look up the Olive , you will learn that the root word in Olive is GOD , WHICH FITS WELL IN MAN being made in the Image [ something that can be seen with human eyes . 🤔🤔🤔 and after the likeness of the Great-GOD The Olive complexion is the IMAGE of the Great GOD 🤔🤔🤔 If you notice Olive oil are used in the Churches as [ Holy oil ] [ Healing oil ] l [ Blessing oil ] [ Anointing oil ] the word Olive itself says [ O live ] or [ I -live ] Who lives ??? GOD lives 🤔 We represent the Great GOD as GOD on this earth 🤔 Now you know who's white and { Why they are White } and who's Black , and why they are Black . 🤔🤔🤔 White and Black has absolutely nothing to do with the shade of our skin , not color of our skin . Colors are crayons ,hues are shades ,Olive shades 🤔🤔🤔 Pale is color-less hue-less and lifeless 🤔

[@danbernardi6599]

You missed the Dillingham Report of 1911 which categorized people of different national origins. This report categorized Jews, Italians, Irish., Anglo- Saxons. etc. and was considered to be a foundational document for the Immigration Quota Act of 1924. It was also used as a reference for Mien Kampf. Please research this.

[@YouTubeUser27x0]

Damn Dan, thanks(?) for your comment, which is opened up a giant rabbit hole for me to dive into. I always knew we had influenced the Nazis with many of our policies, but sheesh.

[@nytn]

Thank you! I did a video on the Jim/Crow Nazi connection but didnt go down this path with it. Just wrote it down, thanks Dan

[@ou8r122]

Exactly cause I really think she is missing the entire point about classification and reclassification of certain groups.

[@ou8r122]

@@KZbinUser27x0 It's the other way around. Nazis are Aryans aka Iranians aka Persians and you should really research how Hitler continued the process in which all nations use till this day. The Numberg Code Classification was done in 1914 and updated during the Civil Rights Act in America. They actually punished my people under that Immigration Quota Act of 1924, the American Negros aka the real American Indians.

[@dorothyedwards7225]

Wow I can't believe you discovered this essay from Ben Franklin! Yes, this essay should get more attention! Thank you for your time, efforts, research, and reading!!!👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏😇💝

[@Omaroy33]

I find your channel fascinating and unique. Your background makes you the perfect person for this subject matter. Although I frequently watch your videos I didn’t consider myself a typical viewer, being an African American and not of mixed race (well, I am 18% European, but you know what I mean). However, this episode actually hit home with me as my wife is from North Africa. We met in Morocco and have been married now for 24 years. She is light brown in complexion, and looks like a typical mixed race American. When she first came to the U.S. she had to check the “White” box because she is native to North Africa. But in reality, she is seen as a mixed race Black American. In the first census we filled out as a couple, she had to marked “White” as her race based on the definition provided. My wife is clearly not a White person by appearance, but the current definition of a person’s race in America says she IS White. Recently she has stopped checking the “White” box on forms that ask for your race. What she does now is either not answer that question at all or check “mixed race” or “bi-racial”. This whole idea about different races of humans is really ridiculous and can be very confusing to people born outside the U.S. trying to make a choice that they’ve never had to consider before.

[@nytn]

Im so glad you decided to share that. People outside the US definitely make it more obvious how silly some of our approaches are. I hope things can change here. And thanks for being here:)

[@alexd6393]

Hello, My wife is 100% from west Africa, I am from France (and a bit from Mediterranean islands) so I guess I am “swarthy”!!! Our son went to US. So when he said he is mixed race, people didn’t believe him as his complexion was too dark compared to who are call mixed in US (as I guess majority of the parents “black” have some European ancestry)… He had to show pictures of his parents… He was very surprised by this and how it was important. We have our problems here but it is some time hard to understand your way of thinking:) Any thanks for your work.

[@Omaroy33]

@@alexd6393 yeah, it’s getting harder and harder to justify these racial classifications. I believe the reason why we still do this in America is because it’s a psychological remnant from slavery. I do think eventually it won’t make sense anymore as everyone will be a quarter of everything

[@erinmac4750]

​@@Omaroy33Agreed. I do believe this is one of the relics from slavery and colonialism. Truth be told, most of us are mixed, including those of us with that cliché Cherokee ancestor (though mine was great grandfather and great, great grandmother). The obsession with race in this country that still persists, especially with "white" folks is just too much.

[@erinmac4750]

When I worked for the 2020 Census, they basically told us to take the person's word for what their race(s) were. We weren't to make any assumptions based on appearance. There were also questions about country(s) of origin, which are demographically more accurate in my opinion. Also, it was fascinating to see how many different places we come from, and how people from disparate parts of the world come together here. Our diversity is our strength. 💜🌎✌️😎

[@elizabethdavis1696]

It might be interesting to do a video on the meaning of the word Caucasian the people who live next to the caucus mountains are very confused by Americans calling themselves Caucasian. I apologize for any misspellings I made I hope you understand what I’m trying to communicate

[@mizzmolly7649]

I'm very confused as well.

[@metrotrujillo]

@@purplespeckledappleeater8738 people from Caucasus lol

[@carljohnson317]

@@purplespeckledappleeater8738 Plenty of Europe came from Caucasus even Iran.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

​@@davruck1Just curious. How?

[@user-ne5ns7sd6x]

Communist Bolshevik cultural Marxism CRT propaganda, the Bible lays it out for you 💯 the devil lies 💯 SATAN is the author of confusion....

[@michaeljohn7398]

Thank you for a very Intelligent and Articulate Discourse on this Important matter. Cheers from Michael. Australia.

[@AlexEndorian]

Thank you for your very informative video. Didn't know that my Russian, French and German ancestors were considered tawny. I find it interesting to watch the ever-changing definition of white.

[@AlexEndorian]

I just thought of an interesting topic: how Jesus/Yeshua went from Jewish revolutionary to blue-eyed blond savior. Wasn't it, in part, to convert Europeans to Christianity?

[@nytn]

Im really intrigued by that idea. Im saying this as Christian AND someone who took classes in ancient art. But since there is no real way to "know" for sure, it would likely end up disappointing people. Im going to look into it. Thank you so much for the idea! @@AlexEndorian

[@AlexEndorian]

@@nytn I'm happy I could inspire you!

[@alidea20]

He also included Swedes!

[@pre963]

​@@AlexEndorianthey wanted to convert MOORS to Christianity, the same tawny swarthy rulers of the countries you named. On the observation of mankind. He said palatine boors, typo alert....bro ment palatine MOORS. They have taken an oath to conceal and never reveal. It's on you to do you due diligence.

[@fernandohull8154]

Thank you for giving facts without too much of your opinion. A true teacher. I'm African American who knows some of his heritage and culture. I will listen, research and teach my family and friends as best as I can. Thank you

[@stephenscuba6284]

What African tribe you trace back to n how did your family come to be in America

[@iamwhoiam7773]

Then you should start by understanding that you are NOT African.

[@lostintranslation1957]

Were you born in Africa?

[@westbmorecertified5011]

You’re from two continents huh? Smh

[@stephenscuba6284]

@@westbmorecertified5011 ,🤭 ikr

[@MsMaureen1975]

Another fascinating deep dive. Thanks Danielle.

[@modgirl2001]

Very well researched Danielle! It is interesting to see how other immigrant groups assimilated and became white. However, I don't think that will ever happen for people from India or Bangladesh. I have lived here most of my life but I will never be considered truly American because of my ethnicity. My parents both came here from India. My son's ethnicity is a mix of Indian, Italian and Irish. However, there are a lot of people from India who could pass for white because of the lightness of their skin. It doesn't make them any less Indian. I know many people from India who have a range of skin colors yet they are all Indian. People with green eyes and red hair can be found in North India. People with very dark skin can be found in South India. Most of the actors in BOLLYWOOD movies have lighter skin color. Look at Nikki Haley. Her family is Indian. Look at Vivek Ramaswamy- his family is also Indian. India has had a long history of being invaded by other cultures, but has always managed to maintain Indian culture. When are we going to go beyond looking at skin color? We are all one human race. Race is a social construct. Perceptions change as you have shown in your videos. I hope that humanity will one day understand that we are one human race.

[@ou8r122]

Please look at the Nuremberg Code Classification of 1947 and also the revised Voting Rights Act of 1875, Act of 1957, Act of 1965 and the Census reclassification of 1924, all of these so called legislation is really about the changes of the American Negros aka American Indians and the constant need to disenfranchise them and keep them as a bottom caste in this country. Everyone goes into the honorary white status in this country including Black Caribbeans and Black Africans. After the first generation these two groups will go under the Black American and/or African American reclassification titles not the original American Negros aka American Indians classification either. What does this say about the American Negros aka American Indians? What does this say about who classified as White in America also? During the review boards of the 1920's Census in 1924, Mexicans were reclassified as Whites under the 1940's Census, they were also noted as not being of American Indian origins due to mixing with various Asians and European groups. Also under the black codes, which still stands today, if the mother is white her biracial or mixed child is classified as white thus the reason why 95% of mixed males who has a white mother marry white women or other non black races of women, in order to keep that honorary white status for their descendants in this country. Remember only one percent of the Earth is truly white everyone else is considered passers aka a honorary whites.

[@gazoontight]

Another great video. Keep it up!

[@tonyedward6909]

Growing up in NYC in the 50s, 60s you were categorized by ethnicities, Irish, German, black, Italian, polish Jewish, Chinese, puerto rican, etc, then someone introduced the white/ non white bs to divide.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

The aim was and is to divide so as to conquer. The aim was and is to keep the wealth in the hands of White elitists. Trans rights, queer rights, cross dressing, drag queens are all red herrings to lead us AWAY from the problem which is that 5% of the country owns 75% of the wealth.

[@carljohnson317]

Good point.

[@JustFluffyQuiltingYarnCrafts]

Danielle, the work you are doing has me fascinated. I had to pause the video to read that entire "paragraph" 24 for myself, because it was blowing my mind. The references to Earth's appearance from the planets let me speechless. 😮I am so glad that I knew how to swim before finding your channel and I am able to get back to the surface after each new "deep dive". 😉😊

[@japeri171]

This video was quite explanatory. Many people think they belong to a single ethnic group and don't know the history of their ancestors.

[@christopherreed8152]

Great job as always Danielle!!!!! You are meticulous as you research and articulate in explaining your findings. It is the art and arduous task of searching through split hairs to discover the truth. Even then, hairs may need to be split further. I hope this makes sense. I do tend to agree with Ben Franklin. I've always believed Anglos, Celtics, and most people from Central Europe and above, to be closest to white. The rest are lighter shades of brown. Don't get me started on France, Italy (Sicily), Spain, Portugal, Greece and Malta just to name a few.😊 I've always referred to my friends from these countries as different shades of brown, no matter the complexion, eye or hair color. There are natural blonde haired blue eyed Mexicans, Puerto Rico gingers............blonde Iranians with green eyes. This concept of people as being black or white, is partly physical but most weponized for political and exclusionary reasons. People are not truly black or white. We are fair skinned to dark skinned. We are not social constructs We are not not nationalities. We are human. Sorry for the obscenely long comment, Danielle. Love you, your channel and your cool hat. ❤❤❤

[@nemomarcus5784]

The term for darker skinned Whites is "melanchroi "

[@ShaneM420]

Cultures and COMPLEXIONS describe PEOPLE. colors describe objects. We're not a box of crayons. We are the indigenous people of wherever we're from: Africa (africoid), Europe (caucazoid), or Asia (mongoloid). Every ethnic group, including all hispanics and native americans, has its origin in one or more of these three racial classifications. With that said, there is only one "race;" the HUE-MAN race, which originated on the continent we know as "Africa" with The Original Black Man and Black Woman. We are the parents of all peoples on Planet Earth. We are The Origin. The Genesis.

[@tw82rone5]

​@@ShaneM420All this mainly bc socalled white ppl don't want to accept their OCA2 origins pretty much

[@jlau979]

Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French,Russians, and Swedes , are generally of what we call a SWARTHY COMPLEXION; as are the Germans also. SWARTHY DEFINITION: Swarthiness, Tawniness; a dusky or dark complexion , Swarthy, being of a dark hue or dusky complexion; tawny in warm climates, the complexion of men is universally Swarthy or black. The Moors, Spaniards, and Italians are more Swarthy than the French, Germans, and English. Their Swarthy host would darken all our plains. 2. Black; as swarthy as the African. Swarthiness, A Tawny color. The original people of Britain, France, Spain and England were short black men of about six inches in height. White English invaded the land in 449A.D. they were a warlike people who by 607A.D. had pushed the Basque west into Wales, Cumberland, Westmoreland, the Highlands of Scotland and Devon. These black people boasted that they were citizens of the Roman Empire. The Welsh or ancient Britain's were in possession before the Romans ever came here . O, what tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive .

[@adelinadepiccoli1628]

Brilliant video, documented and clear as Always. Thank you.

[@nytn]

Glad you enjoyed it:)

[@user-nb8lz4zr6s]

Thank you for having the patience for putting this into this in words. People are confused. Education is a life long process.

[@sarahMuahahaha]

Well, I definitely wouldn't be white. I have a huge slavic chunk of ancestry... Russian, Polish, Hungarian (magyar),Ukraine, Czech, Slovakia.. just to name a few. Plus Levant, broadly Arab, Egyptian, west African (Senegambian Guinea) and broadly west African, broadly Sub-Saharan. Plus all the other European countries they dont deem as white 😂 Growing up though, I'd always get asked if I was spanish. Tan easily and get dark, dark hair, dark eyes.

[@lsowner10]

If that’s true, that’s not what your ID card says in America and all of the west!

[@sarahMuahahaha]

@lsowner10 I meant by these standards.. I'm obviously white. My friends son is mixed and looks white AF.. blonde hair and blue eyes and they just put biracial. The dad is also biracial and has green eyes but looks more "stereotypically mixed"

[@erinmac4750]

Your background sounds fascinating. I follow a KZbinr who's Scottish and African, Scottish History Tours. He looks mixed, but sounds all Scottish, having grown up there. His kids are mixed, too, but a couple have an African mom. He a couple entertaining videos about ancestry and DNA tests. He has some interesting content that would tie in with some of Danielle's topics, as well. ✌️😎🍀

[@sarahMuahahaha]

@erinmac4750 I know who you're talking about. I've watched some of his videos before. Most of my lines are brick walls, so I try to read and watch as much ancestry and genealogy stuff as I can.

[@pforiginallordofcrickets7703]

White is a status given to foreigners by Chippewa. One famous example is George Bonga of cass County Minnesota. Natives called him the first white person in Minnesota. So its obvious white is a status that was later adopted by Afrikaners and other slavic people that came to America after barbary treatises.

[@stephbea103]

Thanks I'll check it out.

[@rushbegi4945]

Great job. You really did your research. 👍🏾

[@nytn]

Thank you!

[@daveamazin]

THANK YOU FOR DOING A VIDEO ON THIS TOPIC!!! ITS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COUNTRY REALLY WORKS Edit: You should do a video on the William Dungey case as well!! It will tie into this topic very well. Also, the Sundry Free Moors Act

[@traelstechnologytmalsantua3471]

Exactly if you tell some of these Albions they're not white and they'll just ignore you or argue how your wrong and use historian rhetoric of who they likely don't know whats really going on because the subject matter is to vital to whats really going on.

[@nailahdawkins]

Your videos are amazing. I love that you wear your indigenous heritage earrings in every video. Keep it up! 🌟

[@nytn]

my outfit was a black tank top :D

[@tarawiselove]

The comment was about the earrings.

[@nytn]

The comment from the person below:)

[@profrayfitzgerald969]

I love your channel.

[@nytn]

I appreciate that so much!

[@wualli2494]

The etymology of the word mulatto is mule which is very derogatory in its intent.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

@@lighthouse7775 yes, a hybrid.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

@@alreddog2655 It has every thing to do with "mule." The Spanish word for mule is "mulo." "Mulato" in Spanish means young mule. A mule is a sterile hybrid of a male ass and a female horse. The implication is that some one half white and half black is a hybrid as a mule is a hybrid.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

@@lighthouse7775 A mule is is the sterile hybrid of a male ass and a female horse. No stallions, lighthouse.

[@brandonmedlin6703]

Wow crazy history lesson

[@leenam.4578]

Most research studies ask respondents to identify their racial and ethnic backgrounds. The most recent one I worked on did not consider Hispanic as a 'race', but an ethnicity with the option of naming the region of origin. Hispanics were then asked to ifentify their race. Hispsnics can be White Europeans, Black, Indigenous to the Americas or Asian (mostly Japanese or Chinese). And, yes, it is complicated.

[@bluetinsel7099]

Hispanic is language and culture going back to Spain. It’s not an ethnicity as an ethnicity is typically a type of mix. There can be black, mixed or white peoples who speak Spanish or have a culture going back to Spain. Also in Asia there are black, mixed and white asians as well. When you say “indigenous to the Americas” the ones that you are calling indigenous have known other origins going back to Asia or Eurasia meaning that they would not be indigenous, they would be native. They are indigenous Asians or Eurasians born in the Americas. Their lineage is from Asia or Eurasia not America. Also Eurasian would be a mix and a mix would not be the original. It would be like saying purple makes blue and red instead of red and blue making purple. The secondary does not come before the primary. All over the world there are black, mixed and white peoples. So if a person is not black or white then they would be mixed. Arab is a term that means mixed.

[@leenam.4578]

@@bluetinsel7099 Yes, I am aware of that history, especially having grown up in New York City on the Lower East Side in the 1950s and 1960s. I was explaining how academic research handles the topic. No definitions of race or ethnicity are definitive or perfect as the subject is too complex. However, in research on medical conditions, much to the chagrin if many, it has been discovered that on a biological level, race and or ethnicity does play a role.

[@bluetinsel7099]

@@leenam.4578 When it comes to ethnicity it often encompasses types of mixes. So if using Latin America as a reference if a person says their Brazilian then you typically know that they may have a mix that encompasses European Portuguese and black-American as well as black-African. If you know lineages going back to scripture and the floods then you know of Shem and his wife Ar’yel, Ham and his wife Kenzia, and Japheth and his wife Reynah. So there are different groups of black peoples who are not all from the same lineage. If you look up the Emblem of America you’ll notice that it’s not an Asian native it’s a black woman and her features are not like that of the African. When looking at race it can encompass complexions as different peoples may have had different complexions. There are Hue-mans, Neanderthals, Denisovans, Fallen Angels etc. if you read the book of Enoch some of this is in there as well. So race would be different groups of people and those different groups of people may come in different color complexions. If people mixed then the offspring would be a mixture of those races and a mixture of those complexions. So while the definitions of race and ethnicity can be more broad they still encompass types of mixes for ethnicity and types of lineages for race and those bring about color complexions. When you spoke of race and ethnicity playing a role on a biological level and with medical conditions, yes there has been a correlation between them. It’s similar to animals where certain animals are more prone to certain issues of benefits while other animals or species are less prone to certain issues or benefits.

[@owensomers8572]

@@bluetinsel7099 Haha, it's never so black and white!

[@bluetinsel7099]

@@owensomers8572 Even with the gray area it typically leans toward one side or the other.

[@batya7]

I appreciate your work and thought, Danielle. I'm not white; I'm PINK! I'm not on the Latino/Hispanic axis, but dang it, I have my own ethnicity! Still, I'm an American! Quotas, racial disparities, and lack of social justice have unnaturally squeezed us into pigeonholes that we don't fit. I'm sick of the categories and weakened from our country's polarization. “Come on people, now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another right now”-- The Youngbloods, 1967

[@nailahdawkins]

😂😂😂 The "I'm pink" line.

[@erinmac4750]

When my son was about 5 or 6 he was having an argument with his best friend who was Mexican about what color each of them was. I believe was telling his friend he was brown, which he was having none of. This went on for a few minutes, until I went over and told them they were both beige. Quiet. They didn't know what to do with that.😸 If they were older, they might've gone for the crayon box, as it was they went back to playing.

[@saavwafare]

Thanks for an excellent breakdown of a long-debated topic that is still to this day just as convoluted (by design) as the tax code.

[@nytn]

Yes, by design!

[@spotted_salamander]

There is scrutiny of the colonial term "white" but I'm questioning why the colonial term "black" is not being equally critiqued when applied to certain inhabitants of the United States. Is it just due to certain people's skin complexion, hair type and/or facial features? What is the reasoning for this? It's the same question for the term "African." If certain inhabitants of the U.S. have no immigration history to the United States, why would these people be labeled that? Historically, the U.S. classified people with imposed "color" labels/classifications and took away those people's agency to self-identify. In 2008, Congress called such actions "paper genocide."

[@Baman21]

White people started calling themselves white in the 1600s to justify slavery. That's what made black people black.

[@jdee3421]

15:08 - It's a sad commentary on our education system when you have to inform people that Ben Franklin was never a U.S. president.

[@nytn]

I wonder how many people are going to fight me on that one LOL. I had it happen in real life a few times

[@jdee3421]

@@nytn I wonder if they think Hamilton was also president, since he's on money too. 🤣

[@nytn]

Well..he was in the musical haha

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

American public education is not there to help people think. As John Rockefeller once said, "I do not want my workers to think, I want my workers to make me money." And it is ever thus.

[@jdee3421]

@@lucianomezzetta4332 “Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.” ~ George Carlin

[@novfromlr]

You finally explained the African becoming citizens thing I think you need a deep dive on that

[@cjaquilino]

I'm part Italian American (Napoletan) and I'm increasingly of the idea that there needs be more Italian American content that combats the reactionary, American assimilationist narratives that whitewash our true history and culture, particularly as immigrants, and pit people against the struggles of other groups. I feel like a lot of the popular Italian American (or even just Italian) content is basically ahistorical, gatekeep-y of the culture especially the food, it's full of mainlanders diminishing the diaspora, and frankly a lot of the Italian American content is minstrelsy. So I'm glad to find your channel that helps break that down a bit. I'm very new so maybe that objective has always been your intention to some degree. But I definitely feel this needs to be more of a thing.

[@mxvega1097]

That was great. I kept thinking of the indigenous peoples and wondering why there was so little reference to them, and then recalled that even into the 1830s it was a matter of confusion, debate, or tactical exploitation whether peoples of (for example) the Creek, Chickasaw, and Cherokee could become citizens if on their their own lands and abiding by tribal law. If they were already part of a Nation, how could they become citizens of another? If they held title to land outside tribal boundaries it could be recognized, but not too much else. The very base of the iceberg is who made the laws - the members of congress, their interests, culture, mindset and aspirations - which takes us right back to settler capitalism, made in the UK. There are very close similarities from the early-mid 18thC in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and to an extent South Africa. The US example stands out as so much more constructionist, because sovereignty, rights, liberties, law and citizenship were being created virtually de novo, with the panoply of laws, courts, and appeals. And occasionally wars. There's no need to write laws on who can become a citizen of a republic if you're in Scotland, or Bavaria, or Sweden - you're simply a royal subject. In a republic it all has to be re-created from scratch, and adapted iteratively over time. The state intervention in determining race as grounds for eligibility to rights and opportunities has had a profound effect, most of it intentional, but with some really weird side effects.

[@shawnahall7246]

Indians were often considered white or black this also benefit America so to make them pay taxes.

[@stephanienwadieiiamhybasia]

I always enjoy your videos. You look Native American with that hair style. Love your style . Keep being you. Peace and blessings.

[@almightyswizz]

I was watching a Spanish movie yesterday and saw this family at a table, I literally thought to myself about the father and I said to myself “🤔 hmm if he were speaking English would I even know he is Hispanic?” And I looked for features I associate with Latinos and I couldn’t find any I had only noted his hair was moreso “spiky” than silky, yet I was uncertain if that was even a sure signifier of anything… and i began to question at what point does white become not white. And would he consider him or his family white? I began to wonder about the mindset of others on this topic… funnily enough earlier today I was watching footage from Venezuela and saw many dark people in Caracas and wondered to myself would they consider themselves as black and so luck may have it that as I ask myself so many questions about a similar topic you came to discuss it all with me

[@NelsonMartin-hp3js]

The very concept of races falls apart with close examination.

[@renatomacchi2195]

Latino/Latin is not a Look, not a Skin Color, not a Mestizo Skin Color. Latino/Latin is a language and a culture.,all Roman.

[@almightyswizz]

@@renatomacchi2195 it’s all of the above to me

[@artbashmakian9217]

Thank you for your amazing videos. This is a topic I’m pashonet about and have posted on social media. I can share many stories but one in particular demonstrates the problem with the media. An article talked about a reversal of white flight in the Detroit area. The article was mentioned how whites are returning now simply based on statistics. What the article failed to explain that the “returning” white were almost exclusively Arab immigrants. If you did not know that, the article paints a very different picture and many would think the whites are Anglos… instead.

[@nytn]

Wow this is incredible, yes. Exactly.

[@ocdbrain]

Man i really love this

[@alidea20]

One of my friend’s daughter is a teen and I remember her asking whether she’s a POC. They’re from South America, and have a bit of an accent, but her daughter has pale skin, is blond and has light eyes. We live in a strange world.

[@laklinlee]

A note about census records. If you look at the instructions to the enumerators, you will find the specific ethnicities allowed and had they should be documented. For most census years the enumerators determined the ethnicity. For example, a light skinned black person would be documented as Mulatto and a dark skinned black person would be documented as Black. In 1900, the term Mulatto was not an option. From 1880 - 1930, the parents birthplace was required which would give the census a possible way to determine country of origin. Take census records with a grain of salt. They are very helpful for genealogists but sometimes wrong. A neighbor may answer the questions or if the family lived in a multi family building the landlord may answer the questions for all tenets.

[@juniorchavesopicassodeyahu988]

I am a black man in love with a beautiful white Albanian woman. I ❤️ Duadua so much. When I meet Dua she will definitely teach me about the Black History in Albania/Kosovo. She must know about the real history of so called black ppl

[@nemomarcus5784]

I don't recognize or identify myself as Whiite. If anyone asks what my race is, I tell them I identify as a Slav. Specifically a Southern Slav.

[@shawnahall7246]

Me neither, I say I’m Cajun Creole’

[@deadman746]

For a bit of much-needed levity, try Martin Mull's _A History of White People in America_ and _A Paler Shade of White._

[@michbaker9774]

NYTN, I've read that Ben Franklin document also, but unless one uses an appropriate dictionary containing etymology of words included most will not comprehend the adjectives: swarthy, tawny, black or white. Noting the dictionary should be contemporary with the Era it was written or be as old as one can find.

[@YouTubeUser27x0]

I love your videos, but my biggest question is why do you have a theremin?

[@nytn]

LOL. My husband writes digital music and we share this office space. I love when people know what that is!!

[@RatzoBHarris]

What about the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek? 1831 - Designates Choctaw "Indians" remaining in Mississippi as U.S. citizens.

[@stephbea103]

I've started questioning what "American" means in the media. Most of the time it means white only. Black and Brown are rarely thought of as "American". We are other.

[@Baman21]

White people started calling themselves white in the 1600s to justify slavery.

[@erinmac4750]

I can definitely see where you could get that. It is interesting that I find my favorite mainstream journalists/reporters to be people like Mehdi Hasan, Ali Velshi, Ari Melber, Joy Reid, Symone, and Katie from MSNBC. They tend to cover a wider range of stories more in-depth, and bring different perspectives. They're all pretty good at bringing receipts, especially Mehdi. On KZbin one channel that really surprised in content and coverage was Beau of the Fifth Column. If you haven't checked him out, don't let appearances fool you. He's worth the time.

[@mizzmolly7649]

I used to have a friend who has one parent from Syria and the other parent from Lebanon. She actually considers herself "white" and will fill out forms that way. I once told her, "Girl, you have got to be kidding me."

[@ForcedDisruption]

In the US, MiddleEasterners and North Africans are legally white. FormSF181, feel free to look it up.

[@AG-zh7zl]

One more case of the Nikki Haley's Syndrome.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

“White” and “black” are both socio-political terms. They do not exist in objective reality, only in the subjective mind of the observer.

[@mihaelac2472]

She is not sub Saharan black, neither is she East Asian, Turkic, Mongol, probably her skin is light, not brown, so in the eyes of the rest of the world, she is entitled to call herself white. You look like a certain race, you identify with that race, you are of that race. We are not going to ask for proof of ancestors up to the 5th generation or whatever.

[@mizzmolly7649]

@@mihaelac2472 "Entitled." Okay.

[@leg414]

Very good video and one thing for sure...In America, if you are not "White" you are not considered privileged nor entitled to anything more than and are relegated to being dismissed and demeaned and considered "Black", and treated FAR different than those "chosen" people of presupposed racial and ethnic "superiorities" in society from the economics to the physical attributes purported to be within that society/collective. In Europe, I can tell you that they call or identify with their nationalities/clans/tribal identities, say for example "German", "Italian", "Swedish", "Spanish", etcetera...But in the West [Those in the "Anglosphere"] in America...The UK...Canada [British Columbia], Australia, and New Zealand, for example, consider themselves "White" or Caucasian, while those in India consider themselves "White" or Caucasian, but not considered per racial hierarchical definitions, especially in America or the "Anglosphere". Consider this too in Latin America and even beyond due to the conquests and influences and acceptance to Europeans throughout history. I have written before about and on this subject, so I will not say more...But now they will consider those of Arabic descent as "White/Caucasian" now in the consensus if they self-identify, thereby bolstering the number of "Whites/European" heritage to those of "others" besides Black/African and Hispanic/Latino descent, Asian/Southeast Asian, as well as other subdivisions of. As I can say more...But I think you already know and have seen and experienced to know what is what...Peace

[@jonathanborchardt891]

I once asked my grandfather if a man at the park was white. His reply was, if you have to ask it's not.

[@W44F]

Perhaps you can watch the movie "Black like me" and do an analysis on it. I it's still on youtube, this man became so despondent he began to dislike whites and he was white. I haven't read it myself but I heard the book was way worse

[@kgblankinship]

The American white racist would regard a person as white who is simply pinkish-white in color. That means ethnic northern European ethnicity, i.e. those whose ancestry goes back to Britain, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Scandinavia, Finland, Poland, Russia, the Baltic countries, Czechia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Switzerland, Croatia, and Serbia. It would not include someone from France, Greece, Albania, or others from southern Europe or the Caucasus nor those from the Near East, Mideast, or Central Asia. Some white racists may qualify their definition to include only Protestants.

[@oskar6607]

This is such a uniquely American concept no theme. Here in Sweden and I would say in Europe it’s not at all this kind of issue. Classification of other groups isn’t really based on skin color but on ethnicity (culture). Unfortunately the kind of US style racist identity politics is seeping into Europe as well. I really hope it stays away.

[@kitty_s23456]

​@@knarme5160hi. I'm not from Europe, nor am I white. I sometimes follow football and have seen in the news/ YT clips of how some black or African descent footballers have been booed by their audience (or even their own clubs) because they're not white. Examples are Osimhen, Balotelli, Vinicius, etc. Even Mesut Ozil (German but of Turkish origin) has said that "when I win, I'm German; when I lose, I'm an immigrant" or something similar. So yeah, there is discrimination too in Europe.

[@ou8r122]

@@knarme5160 American is not working on it's race problem they are just bringing in more people of "color" in order to mask it. People still don't understand that there are 3 different groups of so called Blacks in America. The Black Americans aka Black Caribbeans and their descendants, the African American aka Africans in America and their descendants, the American Negros aka real American Indians aka Nagas and their descendants. They try to bunch us all up and put us into one big box, when in fact we are very different from each other. Just like the Mexicans have more in common with the American Negros than with Caribbeans Latinos who have more in common with the Black Caribbeans. These immigrants are obsessed with being lighter and whiter. It's a complete mess at this point and a diluted version of their illusion of a melting pot of trying to mix people and their cultures out.

[@Baman21]

White people in America started calling themselves white in the 1600s to justify slavery.

[@tw82rone5]

America in particular is uniquely dysfunctional in this area compared to other European countries in Europe. Bc America in particular was literally founded or created upon a systematic racism root foundational core. Unlike the other European nations that were already well established long before the colonial era or America was even a country

[@Baman21]

@@knarme5160 white supremacy is a global concept.

[@statendrei5]

I was born near the carpathian mountains. What race am i? Answer: shepard

[@TheRealZarp]

I think in America you are what you look like. Anyone who looks phenotypically black is black. Anyone who looks.phenotypically Asian is Asian. Hispanic isn't a race and can look anywhere from white to black. Most of them, in my opinion fall under the "white" umbrella. Same with middle easterners. I think with darker skinned southeast Asians, they are beginning to get lumped into the white category as well. Society, in my opinion is beginning to see them as akin to Italians. So in summary, if you are not clearly black, or Asian, then you are white, unless you personally otherwise state. For example, the actress Zendaya is biracial, she looks racially ambiguous but identifies as black, so society says she's black. Someone like Meghan Markle doesn't identify as black, even though shes biracial too. She doesn't declare her race but I think for the most part she's seen as basically white (or very white adjacent).

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

The world is more than white and black, your thinking is a narrow minded American view.

[@SRBOMBONICA86]

​@@davruck1omg there is negroid race , completely different facial and skull features

[@Binks23]

Zendaya is not ambiguous at all.

[@Galidorquest]

@@Binks23 Yes she is, she's literally more than 50% white, she's not your average everyday black girl. She could pass for indigenous Hispanic or South Asian when her hair is straight, especially back in 2010.

[@Binks23]

@@Galidorquest You don’t know the average everyday black girl. Maybe you can’t tell what she is by her looks, but she’s does not look ambiguous to me. All African-Americans are mixed, averaging 25% European ancestry and a wide range of phenotypes. Not the same as biracial but AA, have been mixed for centuries and it’s easy for us to spot people with African-blood.

[@genehammond7239]

👍👍

[@AntajuanGrady]

@nytn you are very correct that who is black and white has changed over time. Are Cher and Freddy Mercury white to a lot of Americans? I think so but isn't Freddy Mercury actually Parsee Indian? Also, in terms of what makes someone black, there's so may conversations on that because the U.S. wants to call Obama the first black President when he has a white mom.

[@sr2291]

Cher is Armenian.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

@@cawtindamiddle5312 white reasoning.

[@dirkdillary4925]

​@@cawtindamiddle5312He grew up in Hawaii! He is also not of American Colored/Negro decent!

[@quorraquar2677]

💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

What is Race, Ethnicity, Culture? What is White or Caucasian? ~Racial category from a scientific and anthropology view - Haplogroup DNA and Dental Traits. ~Race in societal America is a social construct, but just about everyone recognizes diasporas (Black, White, Native, Latino etc.), and of course there is ethnicity and culture, which the world recognizes. ~As for as Whiteness? In my view, it is anyone of White European ancestry living anywhere in the world, of course they are all from various ethnicities, cultures, nationalities and religions just like everyone else. America has the strangest laws involving race, at least in the past who qualifies as White, it was based on racist eugenics and favoritism, lol. Caucasian in a academic and scientific view - is anyone who is indigenous to India, Middle East, North Africa or Europe with similar DNA Haplogroup, Dental Traits and Craniology (of course not every group is Caucasian tho, and craniology isn't a reliable study to determine race because similarity can be found in some in every racial groups).

[@nytn]

"craniology isn't a reliable study to determine race because similarity can be found in some in every racial groups" this is the most interesting part to me that no matter how much folks try to create these groupings ( not that there is anything inherently wrong every time with that...we do try to teach kids to "sort" from an early age) that in spite of that, there will always be outliers.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

Do we still need racial categories in America? Yes, for census reporting, for disease treatment, for statistics, for justice claims and civil-rights reform, and to recognize forgotten or ignored groups. ✌🏼

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@lighthouse7775 one people's utopia is a pipe dream, lol. I did say in other comments, we all should see the individual first and foremost. BTW, what's with your grammar, it's bad and hard to read, if you reply, type properly.

[@lynnhooley7608]

You left out and a vehicle for discrimination.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@lighthouse7775 👈🏼👈🏼 Troll detected, no need to reply, lol.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@lynnhooley7608 So what is your solution?

[@Galidorquest]

@@Thomas_Oklahoma "we all should see the individual" But there are still many people who don't. Having racial categories is a double-edged sword. A hiring manager can look at your job application and choose to not hire you based on your race.

[@MarcSebastian-pi5he]

Just to clarify in relation to the 1923 court case. Mr Singh was a Sikh not Hindu.

[@nytn]

yes, thank you! All the legal documents reported him as "Hindoo" but you are right he was Sikh.

[@jeromemckenna7102]

I don't think Ben Franklin must have met many Swedes. My wife's grandparents came from Sweden and living in Minnesota, I know many people with Swedish or Norwegian ancestry. They are not a swarthy bunch.

[@erinmac4750]

I must say, his classifications of "swarthy" and "tawny" had me cracking up just like Danielle.

[@r.j.mayers529]

My comment is flippant from the perspective that your presentation is a historical - hysterical, if you will; description of the original “white race”: legal affirmative action that has been legally codified into the U.S. Constitution, and in its numerous revisions and upgrades throughout our History, and held in place by the highest courts in the land! --BRAVO to you for passing the Willam Faulkner “acid test” test “ that: “The past is never dead. It's not even past.”

[@tommygamba170]

It's changes for some in different parts of the US. Not the whole US

[@LongDefiant]

Yes, the whole US

[@SV-ge8dr]

So Danielle what are YOU?

[@nytn]

Im a New Yorker. Kidding.. you want to start here: kzbin.info/aero/PLvzaW1c7S5hQcox9CjaJWA7QKTYXw9Zn2

[@michaelvaughn7137]

No i can see it in the picture its about 2.5 times deeper than it is out of the water i can see it plainly right there !!!

[@hollywoodpotato5289]

Historically…. Facial “caucasoid” phenotype present from ground zero Caucuses Mountains, down to Northern India and all countries in between; also down to the Horn of Africa (Ethiopia, Eritrea etc) and all countries in between; also south and west to Morocco and all countries in between; also west and northwest through the entire peninsula of Europe; also vast swaths to the east to the Altai Mountains.

[@rexmundi7811]

You should start your history with the origin of the terms. It was the Spanish colonizers that started defining people as blanco (white) and negro (black). The English and other Europeans borrowed these distinctions from them.

[@olg06]

The term "Blue bloods" (sangre azul) also came from the Spanish.

[@renatomacchi2195]

In the United States of America today when we say Whites we mean all of the people whose origin is Europe, also known as Caucasians. As for the U.S. Census Bureau then and now they are subject to pressures of the various non-European groups. The so called Hispanics who are not Hispanics at all (the real Hispanics are Spaniards and Portuguese) having no defined identity pressured the Census Bureau into allowing the Hispanic/Latino classification as their Ethnic identification. This is wrong and not supported by history yet as they want to be called that way the Census Bureau allowed this classification to become standard and exclusive for the Spanish-speaking people of the Americas. Did the Census Bureau make any inquiry about the real meaning of Hispanic/Latino before adopting it? Absolutely not. Yes it is still there listed as belonging to a group of people who have no idea of what being Hispanic and Latino means. Hispanic coming from Roman Hispania (Spain and Portugal and Latino ("Latino" grammatically incorrect in English-Correct way is LATIN/LATINS) is the language spoken by the Romans and their culture. and that Latin means one thing and Latin American means another. So we cannot really follow the descriptions by the U.S. Census Bureau because that office is subject to group pressure in establishing the various denominations.

[@jamesdoyle2769]

"also known as Caucasians. " Caucasians is a completely outdated term. It belong s back in the 19th century. The term used now in genomic research and any other work that builds on that is "Europoid". And it applies to people whose ancestors never set foot in Europe, such as the Central Asian Iranian peoples. Europoid =/= European.

[@lordvonmanor6915]

You are somewhat correct. Whites are people who live in the Albion which is England, Scotland, France, and Northern Ireland. Everybody else is Mestiz "Blacks". Originally the term Bastaardts meant a child who was mixed with Black "Non-Albion" and Albion.👍

[@LongDefiant]

And 100 years earlier? Did the definition change? I think that's the point. But it's okay, you can strain at a gnat if you wish.

[@lordvonmanor6915]

@@LongDefiant No the definition did not change except for in the United States and parts of the Albion. The rest of the world is still using the same definitions. Whites are the Angloes which in Indo-European languages was Witte Negro meaning Sick Negroes.👍 The United States removed the word Negro to just White meaning Sick 👍

[@lordvonmanor6915]

@@LongDefiant And that's why Saxons exiled them into the Albion because they were the Sick. Hence the term Anglo-Saxons "Sick Saxons".👍

[@lordvonmanor6915]

@@LongDefiant Not many countries use race as legal terms like the US. Instead they use Nationality. For example: My passport, Birth Certificate, nor my Deutsch Driver's license do not say white. They all say Deutsch but if I opt for a US citizenship regardless of my colour I would have to agree to being White instead of Mestizen like all Deutschen Menschen from N-word Westphalia "Saxony". Problem is I'm not sick and Russians and many other Indos would tell you the same thing

[@lordvonmanor6915]

@@LongDefiant I'm not the weak type to try and bar someone from social media. In stead I would ask for the title of each Old Indo Germanic dictionaries I get my definition from. Whether it be Engelische, or Deutsch or Holländisch-Deutsch or Dutch. On people who practice rassismus seek to ban people.

[@auntiebobbolink]

I don't like being referred to as "white". First, white implies purity, and I don't need the stress of having to live up to an impossible standard. Second, the only really white people are those with albinism and it must make life very difficult. Third, like many others, I'm pale. But if you put a piece of white copy paper next to my skin, I'm obviously not white. Im more like a light beige. So i just refer to myself as beige. I say I'm non-native.

[@blubonion]

I think Benjamin Franklin’s words remain true today. On the census, there are only 4 groups that in large numbers identify as ethnically American. Scottish, Scotch-Irish, English, and Welsh. All other groups have not in significant numbers identified with the American experience so deeply that they would consider their ethnicity to be American. Mr. Franklin didn’t say that all Asians or non-Anglo-Saxon Europeans were not white. He was referring to them generally.

[@lsowner10]

Oh, you were there?

[@blubonion]

@@lsowner10 No, I just read his words.

[@dsmooth37]

Have you read Ben Franklins 1751 essay to his colleagues and friends

[@dsmooth37]

It’s about the peopling of America

[@KennyAce]

@@dsmooth37remarks of the savages?

[@lisbethkelly4480]

I've been pondering this topic for awhile now. I was raised color blind and mostly considered race inconsequential except for the slow to die racists of the previous generations. Now I'm realizing the significance of our roots and how they effect who we are. I've listened to videos that I'm not sure what to make of, that spoke pretty openly about the unique characteristics of different races and ethnicities. Which made me think, I'm not sure how much any of this matters since most of us are mutts anyway. On a personal level for sure, but at a national level, I suppose if it's just to show how inclusive and diverse we are as a country, that's fine.

[@michaeltaylor8501]

I like the iceberg metaphor... It's cool. 😎👍 In 1790 one didn't have to be a Free White Person in order to be a U.S. citizen - for one could be a natural born citizen of a State which had no adverse race law, which by extension made one a U.S. citizen in the full sense of the term - but, to be naturalized as a U.S. citizen, one had to meet the Free White Person requirement. Note: Non-Tribal Mexicans living in California became U.S. citizens when they became citizens of the California Republic upon the State's ratified Constitution being approved by U.S. Congress & California being admitted into the Union of States (for those choosing to stay in California; & California's only ratified Constitution was written in English & in Spanish in two separate volumes - & both duly-ratified volumes were approved by U.S. Congress). So, many Mexicans legally & automatically - all at once & without any oath - became U.S. citizens (& not one of them needed to be naturalized); yet, naturalization requirements might have otherwise excluded some of these new citizens had they been required to go the naturalization route under different circumstances. IT'S ALL A BIT CRAZY in a way (but do note that the U.S.A. was interested in California's GOLD - & California did have legal standing to sue the U.S. Gov't for the occupation as the California Republic was formed 4 days before U.S. troops arrived & took over... Did I mention the word, crazy?). 🤪

[@sandrasmith7091]

Just looked up Caucasian in Webster dictionary which includes European Africa Asia...

[@michaelrochester48]

In new England, French Canadians were really look down to and almost considered the lowest of the low although some of their presence in America is up there with the mayflower is some French settling in Quebec as early as the 1620s. Yeah it wasn’t good enough for New England, when they started coming to work in the United States textile mills. They were considered dogs.

[@shawnahall7246]

Yep they usually have a Métis heritage

[@Not-Ap]

Because the English have always been racist. Even before the very first Englishman set foot in the Americas the same ideas that shaped the elitist views of new Englanders had already existed in England for hundreds of years. Probably due to feudalism and the multiethnic nature of the UK. First the English practiced playing empire on the remnants of the Celts. Then once they discovered the Americas... they just went buck wild.

[@danalotzgesell538]

I do think that as time goes on there will be more people as seeing themselves as white & thus demanding to be treated as such. On the other hand I suspect we will have more people identifying themselves as black. You sort of have people who wish to be part of the mainstream. There also a lot if people wishing to not be part of that cohert. So, . .

[@aclem8246]

Genome-wide ancestry estimates of African Americans show average proportions of 73.2% African, 24.0% European, and 0.8% Native American ancestry.

[@mattgomez8254]

Abraham Lincoln was a so called black man his complexion was swarthy as was George Washington

[@westbmorecertified5011]

I actually despise the term black. Not only does it have negative connotations but I’m a lighter brown than my Indian neighbor. How does this make sense?

[@trollinmartin7260]

People of African ancestry were not allowed to immigrate to the U.S during reconstruction. I don't know why would that be said since it's not true. I think we all know Black Americans have a mixture of ancestry from English, Nigerian, Scottish, Native American, Senegalese, Irish ect. It is intellectually dishonest to pretend that Black Americans have homogeneous ancestry tracing back to Africa. I would even suggest it could be said the way you describe it to other yourself. When it comes to your diverse genetics including the African Ancestry that you have but you don't speak as you are just of African Ancestry. You acknowledge the vast genetic make up you have from being a product of the American experience. You do this intentionally I believe to other yourself from those who you like to blindly describe as people who are exclusively of African Ancestry. . When you say that it is intellectually dishonest. What is most awkward you know you are having a dishonest discussion. Never acknowledging the diversity of Black Americans genetics because of rape during slavery and some from voluntary relationships. You have racist blinders that keep you from acknowledging that Black Americans are an amaglam of different groups including but not not only Slaves from Africa. I will agree that is the common denominator. I am just saying we are a new group indigenous to the U.S. Produced from slavery rape and Government Sanctioned Atrocities to create a new group of people that are not the homogenous African you falsely describe. You might not be trying to be spiteful but you are definitely being dishonest. Mixed is a widely used term but I say it's out dated and doesn't do justice at a description of people who are rooted to the United States. You could be a mixture of newly arrival to America. Race is not the same as lineage. We all have a mix of different genetic make ups. Esp in America. Question is who "mixture" is totally made up from different people groups who were present at the Genesis of the U.S.A. That's a conversation people don't want to have and others can not grasp the context of.

[@ummmm_okay]

bingo! i’m a black person living in the deep south of the united states and i have a mulatto grandmother and great grandfather on my paternal side…also a native american great grandmother i’d make a bet that some the of black folk in the deep south have a multitude of those races in them like you mentioned! we are the descendants of illegitimate children, illegitimate relationships and illegal sexual acts ! we gotta be real about this

[@dirkdillary4925]

Facts! They were only allowed to Immigrate after the Immigration Act of 1965! The American Colored/Negro or Copper Volored people are their own people! Notice the American Colored/Negro title was change to Black in 1966, one year after the 65 Act!

[@whatshatnin4572]

Are you Dominican? The earrings and the ring lead me to ask you that

[@nytn]

No, but a little bit of everything else!

[@timothyrenar5498]

What's at the bottom is the deep or dark web. Color?, Race?, Gender?, Ethnicity? etc... Incognito - Check.

[@drewncarolina6381]

This is always funny because the Anglos and Saxons came first from Germany. But because the Germans who remained there they weren't British they weren't acceptable.

[@jdee3421]

He made sure to specify that the Saxons were cool.

[@drewncarolina6381]

@@jdee3421 I never said they were or weren't cool. You should not put words into anothers mouth. I only stated that they weren't actually British and yet weren't always accepted. In fact the Germans as we all know did many detestable things during the last time they had a dictator. Who we are and where we are from is only relevant to a particular time. Before they were German they were Prussian for example. At a certain point the European Countries did not exist as we know them so its all relative and changes in time. These are lines drawn on a map and that's not what should actually define anyone.

[@jdee3421]

​@@drewncarolina6381 I never put any words in your mouth. You said: "This is always funny because the Anglos and Saxons came first from Germany. But because the Germans who remained there they weren't British they weren't acceptable." I replied "he made sure to specify that the Saxons were cool.", meaning that Franklin made a specific exception for the Saxons (people from Saxony as opposed to other German states) as being just as acceptable as the English. Direct quote from Franklin (caps mine): "And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, THE SAXONS ONLY EXCEPTED, WHO WITH THE ENGLISH, make the principal Body of W**** People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased."

[@drewncarolina6381]

@@jdee3421 thanks for clarifying exactly what was meant.

[@jdee3421]

@@drewncarolina6381 You're welcome.

[@GeorgiaBorn36]

White is a status not a skin color. Wealth, Class, and Caste system. Ben Franklin wrote that in 1751(America wholly swarthy and tawny), but whiteness was already a classification in 1676 or 78 after bacon's rebellion for people of western Europe aka poor christian slaves/indentured servants a lot swarty (to make them feel special), free whites were Planters, soldiers, government, etc. Book Sources: Virginia's Colonial Soldiers, Jacobite Gleanings with state manuscript. Anyone who wasn't protestant was considered black i.e. Catholics and Aboriginal American converts. Simple as that. That's where the African and free black confusion comes from because a lot of Catholics became slaves (Catholics from Europe had a hundred years head start in America) don't forget that. All swarthy complexions as Ben Frank said.

[@jlau979]

There is a history of black Europeans coming to the new world as indentured servants or slaves. Over two thousand black boys Irish and girls were sent to Jamaica as slaves. The white Irish went later as indentured servants. These are the history that is not taught. Also many black Jacobites came to America as indentured servants. Slaves were not only coming from Africa. Many of the slaves coming through the trans -atlantic slave trade were black Sephardic Jews that were taken into Guinea, and the Sao Time island off the coast of Africa where the Portuguese took them from Portugal to serve as slaves.

[@djfalong]

Hidden History ?

[@shawnahall7246]

I never considered Cher or Freddie as white

[@jonothandoeser]

How about "white meat?"

[@nytn]

😝

[@LongDefiant]

Stop eating corpse

[@theultimateartist4153]

Would you be comfortable if someone called you black? Im not asking here in a sarcastic manner but in an academic sense

[@nytn]

People call me black, mexican, white all kinds of things. Especially anons online. Im always surprised if someone tells me they think I look Black, especially since I have not worn my hair natural on YT yet LOL. If I ever do that, Im sure I'll hear a lot more. I personally just call myself a New Yorker. No joke. I feel much more connected to that experience if I HAD to label myself.

[@theultimateartist4153]

@@nytn We got tons of people like you in the Caribbean, Bob Marley and Ryan both have a white parent but get still called black

[@theultimateartist4153]

@@nytn I apologize, my point was never on what you dont know or force anything, but merely to share a cultural experience outside the anglo sphere.

[@nytn]

Oh gosh this wasnt to you!! Im sorry. :) I have a "fan" on here who just likes to post mean stuff. I was replying to him. I'll go move that comment to the right spot...@@theultimateartist4153

[@theultimateartist4153]

@@nytn It's all good, pretty women like you will always attract a heavy level or criticism from jealous people and when ancestry is involved many ultra nationalist will find their way look to discredit you. Ultimately ,identity is like Dungeon and Dragons its only real once you believe in it and most importantly religion , nationality, culture will take place over the race. Stay happy

[@user-ne5ns7sd6x]

Herbert w Armstrong will set you straight this lady is very beautiful But she's very confused 😜xoxo❤️

[@Arisen2172]

Did you thing in some certain time mexican americans can grew up as white people?, just like italians. To much mexicans we have spaniard french ancestry specialy at the north

[@lsowner10]

There is white, white adjacent, and then black Americans.

[@dirkdillary4925]

American Colored/Negros, Black only became the label in 1966 after the Immigration Act of 1965!

[@LongDefiant]

It's my favorite response to racism. Define "white" Define "black" Hint: you can't! It doesn't exist!

[@TheSuperbCrow]

A white person is any person of predominantly European heritage that has light skin. Pretty simple.

[@toomuchinformation]

​​@@TheSuperbCrowOr light(er) skin. Even southern Europeans and some Slabs were not seen as "wholly White", not that long ago in Europe. You still see some vestiges of it today. It's a moveable feast.

[@TheSuperbCrow]

@@toomuchinformation I have polish ancestry among others and yes I agree they were not perceived as white at the time. However I would still consider someone with olive skin white.

[@TedHouk]

I tell patients I will never be as white as this paper. Aren’t we all from Africa? Where are the Caucasus Mountains? There is much integration of more tribe members as Proto Indo-European languages expanded. And thinking and belief systems…

[@universome511]

You can't give an airtight definition of Orange or Green either

[@nytn]

I hope we will stop trying to categorize people by crayon colors.

[@universome511]

@@nytn well it's not really about skin tone to be fair White refers to a Group of People that in General and in some cases in Absolutes share a relative similarity of varying degrees across all aspects of Life Cultural, Historical, Physiological, Sociological and Spiritual Now there are people such as yourself who are somewhat racially ambiguous to a significant amount of people to make the ambiguity socially relevant but do you really think that Bantus or Dravidian's or Australian Aboriginals would ever be considered White in any serious context? Anyway I just wanted to say that even though you probably think my worldview is Evil or whatever you seem to personally be a nice woman who genuinely believes in a kind of Universal and Deconstructionist Egalitarianism as opposed to a visceral and cruel Anti Whiteness

[@nytn]

You sound smarter than me, so I'll take your word for it on the worldviews but Im glad you're here and joining in the conversation :)

[@universome511]

@@nytn If only everyone else took that stance my job would be a lot easier. Thank you.

[@ashleypeterson340]

Read the book (revealing Americas black skinned past) vols 1 & 2!!! Also America is the true old world!!! Ab immortal legend on KZbin!!!

[@ashleypeterson340]

The word black actually means white or pale in the etymology!!

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

I think we all should look into the individual first and foremost and respect or tolerate there cultural or ethnic background, we would all get along. We should view race in a scientific way, and view groups as diasporas instead after seeing the individual first.

[@nytn]

I love the word diaspora and it is been coming up a lot in my research. I would love to delve into that idea

[@ladyraven3418]

The thing about separating humans into different races, is that the whole concept is racist. It started as a pseudoscience to justify dehumanizing non-whites, especially Black people. Quack theories/practices like phrenology were born from that load of bollocks. The U.S. Census questions are complete cap. Especially as the lion's share of my ancestry, at one point in time, wouldn't be considered "purely" white. That's why "race" isn't scientific, unless you're describing the human race.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@ladyraven3418 So how would you reconstruct diversity, how would you like society to be like, a "we are one human race"? What about cultures and freedom of association? Forcing ideology on groups and communities is what creates tension, the Western world is the most guilty of doin this.

[@Galidorquest]

@@Thomas_Oklahoma Let's keep it real... We are not colorblind, every individual group has negative stereotypes. We all pre-judge strangers, especially security & law enforcement. The only way we can be 'one human race' is if we all had one religion and one historic culture & tradition in common. America (a Babylonic nation) lacks culture & tradition because we're still a relatively new nation since its founding. The solution is that the Indigenous Hispanics need to reclaim the United States and impose their culture & traditions and everyone should embrace them. It's inevitable with all the immigration that's currently happening and this is technically their land. Living in a predominantly Hispanic nation will change our categorization. Mixing will also help our descendants assimilate in this nation. If everyone was mixed & light-skinned, then there'd be less racial-profiling & discrimination. Also, most mixed people resemble Native Indigenous peoples.

[@traelstechnologytmalsantua3471]

Uh i think you should do alot more research on this subject. Theres a reason that dark skinned people are called black and Europeans are free white person. Also it hasnt really changed that much. Free white person is also a mindset. Many people still practice Darwinism even though he was a strict Eugenist who believed their race was superior. America is not the place you think it is.. sorry to say but its not like me saying will convince you. Usually people only listen when they see the truth for them selves.

[@DaRealGody]

What was the original term because "African American " didn't exist then.... The Iroquois helped create the constitution