Objections of Atheists: Why Does God Allow Suffering? | Dr. Shabir Ally

Do we need God to be a good person? Is belief in God irrational? And how can an all-powerful and good God allow for widespread evil and suffering? We discuss this with Dr. Shabir Ally.
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[@samiamohomoud2550]

DR SHABIR ALI IS HER FATHERRRRR WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT MASHA'ALLAH

[@waseemhameed3569]

sami what for real ?

[@affanaeem]

sami same

[@rationalpuppet8163]

You say that like he's a character from Star Wars

[@mohammadasim9654]

@@rationalpuppet8163 Your profile picture tho

[@haniyaali8835]

All this time, I never knew! Lool. They interact like strangers lol

[@3angelcode]

Thank you so very much for your teachings Imam Ally. It was your debates against the Christians that was the final factor in my conversion to Islam. It was a five year journey going from Christian to Torah/Jewish Observant to Islam. Allah called me and I felt his calling in my spirit. It wasn’t clear but my heart and mind were open to hearing him, researching, studying and finally finding what he wanted. He wanted me to come back to him. I’m so proud to be a new Muslim and finally I feel at home. MashaAllah ❤️ thank you so much for being such a blessed person in many lives.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

Debates WITH not against Christians! In Islam, we do not DEBATE about God or Islam!

[@3angelcode]

FRÉMAUX SOORMALLY I understand, what I am saying is, it is the words of Dr. Shabir Ally that helped shape my decision to convert to Islam. This is good thing.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

​@@3angelcode "it is the words of Dr. Shabir Ally that helped shape my decision to convert to Islam." Alhamdulillah! But, we REVERT to Islam and never CONVERT because we are all born towards a NATURAL disposition called FITRA in Islam. When we return to Islam we reject nothing except BAD THINGS that harms self, others, the soul and the heart! DOGMA makes no sense to me when it is blind or fanatical or extreme. Dr. Shabir Ally is a human of great knowledge and faith, and I praise Allah for that, and thank and respect Dr. Ally for that. But, I always have my objections when I see dogma blinding many. Maybe the reason is because I do not share much of the FAITH of others! But, I will always remain a STAUNCH MUSLIM, NO MATTER WHAT! With much respect and CHRISTIC-MUSLIM LOVE BAFS

[@HD13POWER]

Musheera Bint Michael I ask Allah to give you strength to stabilize you in the ground of truth and grants you Garden of Eden.

[@shingAMarie]

Musheera, I don't know why people are bothering you with technicalities of language in what you said. But Imam Ally is an amazing man, and God most High has blessed him with gifts. It is good you took the time to listen to br. Shabir he is very well learned may Allah (SWT) be pleased him until the end!

[@OH-pc5jx]

Hehe I had no idea he was her father, what a sweet relationship

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The Savior YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@khalil7011]

@@Praise___YaH Don't care.

[@mikefanofmovies]

"Thus says The Holy One, your Redeemer: Beloved, My treasure, My most beloved ones, here I am! Hear Me! I am poured out like wax before the fire; like a candle, I am dripping with tears! Yet you have not come to Me! My love was poured out, My spirit fell like rain upon the nations... Tears and great mourning... I poured Myself out to heal the nations! Blood and tears, pools of blood, the agony of My passion, My love put on open display! Yet who is healed in My love? Where is the harvest among the nations, according to the latter rain? It withers, blighted wheat waning in the heat of the noonday sun, planted in the hard and cracked ground, revealing the broken roots thereof; the rains have ceased and are withheld from the land, the hand of The Holy One removed. Captive children, held fast by the pride and arrogance of men whose hearts remain far from Me, shackled to a world of bitter enmity against God and His Messiah, refusing My Letters of Love, stopping your ears to My voice... Weeping and many tears... I had set you free! Behold, I have freely given! I have not ceased from calling to you through My spirit and by the pen of My prophets, yet you will not listen, nor will you give heed! Even you, O churches of men, will in no wise hear Me, nor are you able! - Arrogant assemblies! DEAF CHILDREN! Bitter children, amiss in your dealings with Me, I love you, yet you refuse Me still In favor of your own way!... Peoples of this world, and all pastors And teachers and leaders among men, You are forsaken, given up to the fire... The fires of My own correction, The harsh discipline of The Father, The day of refinement and tears. I love you, yet you have not known Me; neither do I see of Myself in you... Our hearts torn. For I see your hearts, beloved, I see and know. Behold, I have searched, and have not found even one tittle of that which is of Me! Cry out, therefore! Call out to your Savior! Call upon your Maker in My name! DIE TO YOURSELVES! Forsake this world and run to Me through the fire, and I shall abide with you in the heat of its burning, until that which must be done is finished and you emerge purified. Humble yourselves! Cast yourselves down! I am your Father! I LOVE YOU! Yet you have departed from Me, wasting your inheritance in a world of unbridled sin, a world which even now hates you, a world which you have loved more than Me, even yourselves! And so I have written to you page after page by the pen of My prophets, shouting to you by all manner of speaking and devices, calling to you across the ages, speaking to THIS generation with many tears and much sorrow, warning you of My wrath which must come and is now here and shall quickly overtake this world. And still you push out the hand! Do you not understand?! I have seen it; nothing escapes My eye! Churches of men, I have seen it! Modern Pharisees, you fight against Me! You fight against The God of your fathers, The One and Only True God! And whatsoever you do to even one of these I have sent to you, whether in word or by deed, you have done it to Me!... Yet I love you still... My heart is torn, a rent which widens, a rent which you have made! Why do you tear yourselves from Me?! For apart from Me, you can do nothing! Apart from Me is darkness, thick darkness and death! The time has passed, beloved ones; My bride is chosen and the first election is made; the bundles are prepared and set in their places. Therefore I tell you, when you look for Me in the Day, look no more to yourselves, nor in man-made churches; behold, they shall all be torn down! For in them I have not dwelled... I dwell in the hearts of men! And when darkness has fallen and your tears well up, a bitter rain brought forth from a heart severely broken, from a spirit crushed by the weight of realization, run and seek out My beacons, My witnesses. For they shall lead you through the fire, and I shall abide with you, accompanying you on your journey... A journey of service and great hardship, of many tears and great sorrows, suffering on every side; a journey of love and hope in the midst of great adversity, the end of which shall bring a great multitude into My love, with every servant washing the feet of his neighbor until death comes and sets you free; caught up into My love, healed in an instant, refashioned in glory, remade in My image, partaking of My life fully. For as many as I love, I rebuke and chasten, Bringing forth much thanksgiving To the praise of My glory... As it is written, so shall it be done... Therefore trust in My ways, For I am The King alone; Apart from Me, there is nothing at all."

[@siddiqueyd1]

@@Praise___YaH what you mean

[@wladsonsantos5786]

I was raised as a Christian and still tend to lean towards the Christian perspective of the world, but I respect Dr. Shabir.

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[@faizinzainudin8462]

Thank you for your support and friendship. May god guide you to the straight and correct path.

[@nayara414]

Peace, love and blessings to you cousin Wladson. Someone commented "correct path" but I just didn't like that. My husband 😍 is a Muslim, but he was raised with Christian stories, the Bible etc, he not religious growing up nor is he now and he hadn't identified as Christian. When I met him, he was in fellowship with God (drool). His mother had taught him the "true Lord's Prayer" so when he recited the English to me, I realised he was reciting Surah Fatiha, The Opening, of the Quran. Basically, God speaks to the heart which He created. That is the correct and straight path. Quran is the last speech to mankind, I suggest you strip it of labels and read what God sent. Note,the issues with translations however Dr Shabir does a great job of explaining things. Blessings upon blessings to you and everyone here 🙏

[@faizinzainudin8462]

@Jeff Rutt the original religion is Islam. Islam is the religion of Adam. It just got changed over time.

[@WorkWizdom]

@@faizinzainudin8462 - he is already on the right path. According to the Quran Allah himself misguide people even his loyal followers. A day when ye will turn to flee, having no preserver from Allah: and he whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. And verily Joseph brought you of old clear proofs, yet ye ceased not to be in doubt concerning what he brought you till, when he died, ye said: Allah will not send any messenger after him. Thus Allah deceiveth him who is a prodigal, a doubter. Surah. 40:33-34 Pickthall It is ironic that Allah is described as doing the very thing which Satan is said to do, namely, mislead people from the path!

[@justCommando]

Lovely. I have a daughter who is climbing on things and learning to talk, I wish that one day we have a relationship where we both can work on something together like you and your dad are doing this Islamic series together. Heartwarming Mashallah.

[@QuranSpeaks]

Awww thank you for this! May Allah bless you both and help you to grow together on the right path!

[@justCommando]

@@QuranSpeaks Ameen. Bless you :)

[@charlielucky3186]

God bless Dr shabir ally and his family and protect them

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The Savior YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@frankzappa9148]

Christian here. Couldn’t agree more with what was said here! God bless!

[@MR0D]

(21:35) "Every living being has to taste death, *37 and We are putting all of you to trial by passing you through good and bad conditions, *38 and ultimately you shall return to Us"

[@markward3981]

Yes

[@mohammadsadilkhan1875]

If there is no suffering in this world, Heaven will lose its value. There will be no point of creating Heaven.

[@sm3675]

@Star Wars Debates this life is a test, be a muslim and you will get jannah(paradise)

[@sm3675]

*good muslim

[@beardrn]

Rather, think of it this way... Suffering must exist to allow you and I the opportunity to earn Heaven. Whether it be through our own suffering or easing the suffering of another.

[@ladakhtravelogue8798]

😀 😀 😀 A Muslim here.. But this opinion is funny..

[@thunderstorm4074]

This is why we've to earn and strive for anything/ everything , who would know what and who wouldn't knows what ? . Exmp : if you we're told all the answers for our schools, college or uni's tests . The thing is earning of our own living is suffering .

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Masha Allah! Please pray for Sri Lanka too!

[@abdihashi2310]

I never knew before today that he's her father. Mansha Allah , what a nice family.

[@imnobody4244]

I will avoid the trapping of a retort to an Atheist and address the issues directly to the dismay of believers. More than Judaism and Christianity, I think Islam has the most theological difficulty explaining why there is evil and suffering. This is NOT a flaw; instead, it is a consequence of its ambition. As Annemarie Schimmel put it, "...Muslims take God seriously...." The byproducts of this create challenges when managing the believer's expectations associated with evil and suffering. Here I am speaking to the "ubiquity of God" within Islam. The Quran neatly summarizes where I'm going with this: "And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-encompassing and knowing." I once read it explained that God constructs reality as layer upon layer of veils that beyond which there is only God. Thus, a reasonable, some would say unavoidable, take away is that God visits evil and suffering upon the world because, while God is not "all" (e.g., God is not evil), God is the source of all. Put another way, Islam has a "proximity problem" that requires a lot of explanation before the believer "gets it." Related to this, Islam has a clunky relationship (to the layperson) with the concepts of free will and fate/predestination (Qadar). This complexity is compounded by how it reconciles (or fails to) its ubiquity of God with free will/Qadar. For anyone interested in comparative theology, Islamic scholarship over this last point is fascinating. Avoiding a deep dive into that topic, I'll keep things "practical" and state that I appreciate how the Quran explicitly confronts the reader with choices. This is most striking with its treatment of punishment and forgiveness for transgressions. Repeatedly, the Quran informs the reader what is allowed (proportional retaliation or exchange -common justice), but also what is preferred by God (to forgive -justice with a capital J): "The recompense of evil is punishment like it, but whoever forgives and amends, he shall have his reward from Allah; surely He does not love the unjust." As a technical matter, I suppose that it is incorrect to say that, in Islam, God's grace is most accessible and abundant at the moment the believer chooses to forgive. Still, I like to think that is the case. Islam has several replies in its toolbox to deal with the problem of evil and suffering. First and foremost, it assures the believer time and again that God is merciful, and that God's mercy is fully manifest by the gift of Revelation itself. Here, God is demonstrably the healing reaction to evil and suffering. Further, the Quran tells the believer that, "God does not burden any soul with more than it can bear...." and discusses at length the concepts of "tests" and "rewards and punishments." Ultimately, the follower will find peace through submission to the mercy and righteousness of Revelation; which is to say, God. Functionally, it's not unlike the Buddhist sentiment that pain is negated by deconstructing one's ego. Against all the malicious commentary to the contrary, God, as revealed in the Quran, is one of compassion and love (well beyond that in Torah!), but also one with a firmness whose intent is not to inflict suffering but to illuminate and nurture a proper path toward peace and justice.

[@WorkWizdom]

What a long answer yet you said nothing. Either you are grossly ignorant about Islam or you are deliberately mishandling the Qur'an. Let me correct you here. That they may bear their burdens entirely on the day of resurrection and also of the burdens of those whom they lead astray without knowledge; now surely evil is what they bear. S. 16:25 Shakir And those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Follow our path and we will bear your wrongs. And never shall they be the bearers of any of their wrongs; most surely they are liars. And most certainly they shall carry their own burdens, AND OTHER BURDENS WITH THEIR OWN BURDENS, and most certainly they shall be questioned on the resurrection day as to what they forged. S. 29:12-13 Shakir Interestingly, the Qur'an contradicts itself in a space of two verses. This last passage says that disbelievers will not carry the believers' sins. But right after saying this, the Qur'an says that on the resurrection day the unbelievers will not only carry their own burden of sins, but the burden of others as well!

[@WorkWizdom]

Another verse contradicting the principle that "no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another" is the following: O ye who believe! respond to ALLAH, and the Messenger when he calls you that he may give you life, and know that ALLAH comes in between a man and his heart, and that HE it is unto Whom you will be gathered. And beware of an affliction which will surely not smite exclusively those among you who have done wrong. And know that ALLAH is severe in requiting. S. 8:24-25 Sher Ali Here, even the innocent will suffer the affliction that will smite the wrongdoers just as the commentators show. The two Jalals said regarding Surah 8:25: And guard yourselves against a trial which, if it were to fall upon you, would certainly not fall exclusively upon the evildoers among you, but would encompass them and others, and the way to guard against it is to repudiate that evil which necessarily results in [precipitating] it; and know that God is severe in retribution, against those who oppose Him. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn)

[@WorkWizdom]

when we consider all of what the Qur'an and Hadith actually say we see that bearing the load of another is part of their teaching. When Islamic leaders say, "each person only bears their own load", they are not telling the whole story. Muslims cannot simply dismiss the Christian claim because Islam has its own expression of this idea.

[@mollyjarvela9550]

That was actually a really good read. I don't know what the dude below me is going on about but that was really well written. Thank you. I think you got the message across coming from someone who is a convert from catholism so I love watching these types of videos and seeing other people's opinions. I came here because a coworker started asking me questions and he doesn't know if he believes in God. I could show him this video but I am not sure it's the right time as he just started questioning after a fews years of knowing him. Idk.

[@azilius5302]

@@mollyjarvela9550 assalamualaikum and peace sis. Yea you can slowly talk about it and just be sure to not pressure the guy and let him completely realize and process the religion.

[@silvercloud1276]

It's such a pleasure to listen to Dr Shabir speak. Everything he say is very clear .

[@abinyturbo4x476]

I saw suffering of children in Yemen etc. ...and my heart is questioning everything in such moments. How can Allah watch and watch for so long. The world is no more in balance. 😪 I feel helpless and so sorry for these innocent children. We have not enough to care for every single one. And as the world works the powerful are not using their power right or rather even misuse it. How can Allah allow this for so long.

[@sidiksamion3]

Guess where the children will be in the Hereafter which is eternal.

[@noe2521]

@@sidiksamion3 But I don't understand why he set up this system in the first place? The innocent still have to suffer in this system.

[@zionchar11]

@@noe2521 my friend, let me ask you this. If I give you a choice to suffer for X amount of years just to be placed in heaven PERMANENTLY. would you do it?

[@noe2521]

@@zionchar11 that was one thing I was thinking about that makes sense to me. This suffering is temporary but heaven would be infinite. Mathematically, if any integer is subtracted from infinity, it's still infinity. But on the other hand, if I remember correctly and the information was accurate because I didn't read it straight from the Qur'an, I believe the Qur'an says that 99 out of 100 people will go to hell. So doesn't the existence of Earth and this system mean that God induced more evil and negativity than he did positivity by creating it? If so, the total suffering outweighs the total good, right?

[@zionchar11]

@@noe2521 The reason for that is that to do sin is very easy as to virtues. Even by helping the homeless can bring you sin IF you record the act and show the world you did it. In the act of selflessness, one must be humble. For charity event is bit different. This is also why you can't judge a person if they have of haven't donated because the PUREST form of charity consist of only 2 parties, you and the receiver. Now back to hell and heaven, believe it or not even muslim will go to hell because either you didn't do enough virtue or you're just a muslim in name. The people who goes to hell will receive punishment for every sin their made, once every sin have been dealt and you are clean it. Then you go to heaven. In Islam there's tiers of heaven and hell. The worst of hell and the best of Heaven. after spending thousand of years in hell repenting your sins, you'll be put inside heaven eventually. Where in the tiers is god willing as he knows all. This also goes for hell, the worst crime against humanity, the worst of hell you go. So yes, injustice do happen but know that the worst of them are going to beg for mercy from god and receive the worst of punishment no man can imagine. Lastly, sin is so easy for humanity to make. a simple side comment that slightly hurt someone feeling is also a sin. Understand that NO sin even as small as an atom will not be unchecked by god or his angels. Hence why there's going to be a lot of people going to hell, another example is driving. How many time do you think you've curse someone out on the road. If you have a tip jar for every curse you spat out not only on the road but in your everyday life. You'll have a lot.

[@tanzidaify]

That's such a great explanation. JazakAllah khairan brother Shibir.

[@HomerFig]

Masha’Allah what a Father what a Teacher and what an inspiration to the relation ship!! Baraka Allahu fikum

[@user-hk9gc1pg7s]

Jazakmu Allah Khyran for hitting these difficult Qs.

[@ibumeli8093]

Love Dr. Shabir. He's the best n the most logical in arguments. Love Safiya. What a wonderful family! 😍😍😍

[@syedkal29]

Heck! He is your dad. This explains the unapologetic bold style of questing. Thank you for doing this, helps me clear a lot of my doubts.

[@sallykalya9023]

You have to experience darkness to appreciate light.Thank you Dr.Shabir.

[@608756]

MashAllah Safiya I am proud of you...you became a Dr.

[@Dr.G555]

This dude is so chill

[@lostfan5054]

This man is so polite and well spoken!! I don't agree with much of what he says (as it's not based on fact), but I do admire his pleasant demeanor.

[@LITTLEMUSTANGFILLY]

I don't agree with all of this but I always appreciate the in depth responses given here. Very pleasant to listen to.

[@SARAHIJAZ]

That's Cool Mashallah Your Dad is Dr and even your Dr Nice Videos the way you guys are discussing Islamic Faith May Allah Bless you Guys !!

[@kg-we4ms]

Oww! What a good father daughter tandem. I Salute u both..

[@OneAnyOnly]

Wow…didn’t know Dr.Shabbir Aly was your father safiyyah. Allah will bless you both for the great work you father-daughter duo are doing, hatsoff to you guys.!

[@sururumohammed6370]

Masha'Allah father and daughter having a a charity that flows...

[@BirdYoumans]

As a Christian I have long felt that we need to find the common ground we share with our Muslim brothers and sisters. There's a lot of it in what you said on this program. This could easily have been one of our pastor's sermons. There is much more to unite us than there is to divide us. What a wonderful world it could be.

[@idrismasumi9582]

This man is very logical and reasons well

[@Joe-vn3nh]

Hes a progressive!!

[@stuffstuff8568]

not at all

[@idrismasumi9582]

@@stuffstuff8568 why?

[@stuffstuff8568]

@@idrismasumi9582 he dances around the questions and says "atheist bad" basically

[@Firelord2nd]

@@stuffstuff8568 He did explain well. You are deaf.

[@OfficerArsenault]

I appreciate these videos. I also learned today that he is her father. Please keep these up.

[@CharlesBLim]

This the best explanation so far..

[@fsggfsa]

Dr Shabir ally you are a great teacher

[@HitherandYarn]

OMG when you said the Universe has no reason, I suddenly "got it." Now I have to figure out why Allah put creatures who can reason into a Universe that can't. Good luck to me. Thank you!!

[@deepthinker8153]

Shabir Alley is my best Teacher & spiritual father. Who helped me towards a straight path. I have started gonna towards Atheism. This is only man Who really always breaks the doctrine of “Scienciam that’s 2nd name of Atheism”. I learnt from this man. Science knows only two questions about things around us. 1.What are those things (Definition+ Discovery) ? 2. Why do events happen as v think? ( according to our Cognitive capacity) 3. How -> Science Silent (No approval theories/just assumptions) 4. Present Natural phenomena of nature & backed Supernatural powers behind Universal laws--> Science Silent (End of thinking capacity)

[@decianawati5196]

Where i can meet him ? My froend getting atheism, i wanna bring him to Dr. Ally

[@slimessiful]

i hope this video gets more views

[@hayyanmintgreen8561]

God is the all-knower as well as the all-wise. sometimes He allows some evil things to happen so that a greater good may manifest.

[@De-Dekkers]

i just feel like i can totally accept that, but it is so hard for me to know that there are young children getting kidnapped, hurt and sexual abused and murdered. Why does God allow this suffering to happen?

[@arjanmarku6587]

@@De-Dekkers this has no answer,you dont do a question,but you should say,if God was real,he will never would allow these thing to happen.

[@TM-bw7hh]

I normally tell people that God put us on earth with the responsability of our own actions. Many stuff we have created creates illness. Greed creates war and war creates death. Many illnesses wouldnt excist if it wasnt for bad diets, smoke (both from cigarettes and machines), alcohol, too much meat, too little protein, vegies and bad treatment of animals. If someone kills a person then its not a action God took and God doesnt punish u. Its a human who did an unforgiving thing and he is the one u should put ur blame on. Humans have a responsability and we shouldnt blame God for what is goin wrong in this world.. I was told by jehovas witnesses some time ago that it was time for God to kill the devil and all evil would leave this world. I told them that humans need the contrast of good and evil. Thats how we are

[@CinnapopisGay]

Wow this is a perfect explanation, thank you for this!

[@destyekaputrisari5218]

How happy you are to have a father who is an Islamic scholar.

[@brucesims3228]

IMHO Dr Shabir Ally had the answer in his first sentence. We Humans can only understand the World around us, and our life in it through our individual and imperfect view. We apply labels such as "suffering" and "evil" based on how We experience life and not how God sees it. The whole idea of Islam is to submit to God's view and not our own.

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

Why does God make babies suffer horrible deaths by starvation, maladies, disease, etc? Babies can't understand submission.

[@benkabbou02]

Bruno Rhagalcus the people who are unaware of submission, such as those with mental diseases, goes to heaven

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

@@benkabbou02 You have to know that doesn't answer my question. The suffering is still needless no matter the result.

[@brucesims3228]

@@brunorhagalcus6132 Suffering is the price we pay for being alive. Due to circumstances or nature or personality some may suffer more and some may suffer less but we all suffer. What makes us who we are is what we do about that suffering. Of itself, there is no reasoning about suffering because it is not a Rational event anymore than, say, gravity. After all, if you fall and bang your head you hurt and if you rise in a hot air balloon you are thrilled. Either way it's the same gravity. Suffering is much the same. It is neither good nor bad. It just is.

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

@@brucesims3228 You're moving the goalpost. You correlated suffering with submission as the goal of Allah, not simply cause and effect. A baby suffering and dying never understood what suffering is let alone suffering as submission to anything; therefore, they needlessly suffered. You didn't refute this.

[@afsaljamal9226]

brilliant😍😍😍😍😍

[@thesarasohrabi]

I believe Dr. Shabir should look into the eastern religions as well. In Buddhism where God concept is not there, gives a way, to progress as human beings mainly using our mind as a tool. I am not knowledgeable enough to explain this, but you can learn about Buddhism from anywhere. I personally have experienced some glimpses of this growth, and I am moving in this path. So the claim that if there is no God there is no reason to behave in a certain way is wrong. For example, If you hate on people, it will be hard for you to sleep peacefully. Whether or not there is a God. So it will be best not to hate.

[@commentarytalk1446]

I would not say they're so different in one sense. In all essential senses, religions are the same. What is called God or Good in one religion is called Nirvana or Enlightenment in others. The difference is Personification: Abrahamic religions chose this path via their various Prophets for very specific purposes to help many people. The universe has direction according to science. According to metaphysics human development also has direction. There is symmetry.

[@treenahally4358]

Remember in Islam Allah says educate your daughters as you will educate a nation.

[@Think_pls]

Put yourself in the suffering condition Specially the real painful ones constantly Then let's see if you're answer will be the same It's easy to say this when you're leaving a comfortable life in Canada

[@kamrulhassan7352]

his face says that he is the man of knowledge !

[@tarekh0]

Great explanation mashaAllah!

[@sanjaypande1812]

If God is perfect how can his creation imbibe imperfection. In fact good or bad resides in our mind and philosophy

[@goblinmooth]

What is Evil? Evil is a departure from the way things ought to be. Your definition will be something similar. If you then agree that there is evil in the world and that evil is the departure of things from the way they should or ought to be, then according to your own analogy, there IS a way things ought to be. Then, if there is a way things ought to be, then there must be a determiner that determines how things ought to be. In other words, you’re agreeing that there must be a transcending power in the universe. If you don’t believe in this power, then you don’t believe things ought to be a certain way, and then don’t believe in a departure from this way, hence no evil. Things are just the way they are. But does anyone really claim or want to claim evil does not exist? The more you think about it, the more you will realize God is actually the best explanation for the existence of objective moral values and evil. Your reproach to this idea comes from mainly two things - the wrong concept of God and an unwillingness to change the way you live your life. Alhamdulillah to the one who granted us intellect and granted us the ability to reject the desires of the nafs and the shayateen from ins and jinn. May Allah protect us

[@nayashams6845]

There is no resemblance between you and your father. I was completely different from my mom and look like my beloved father. God bless their souls.

[@shakeelurrehmanmirza3738]

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM Sir, with most respect and as an honour to be a part of your listeners, I wish myself to act logically in the way of ALLAH RABB UL IZZAT so that I will be selected as a pious person like you... Ameen summa Ameen A question regarding Hazrat Neymatullah Shah Wali Sahib and his predictions, are these authentic? Can we say, he actually predicted the future?

[@sherpanjshiri4892]

My question to madam,what do you think about all these answers,acceptable or deniable logically your answer please.?

[@umarmalik9625]

Is it ok for a Sunni and an Ahmadi Muslim to marry? I don't personally believe that the differences in the two doctrines represent an issue that can hinder the marriage and the upbringing of Muslim children.

[@sartajbhat8233]

From Kashmir?

[@user-kt3uv7nf7i]

Was anyone else amazed that he was her father the whole time?

[@user-kt3uv7nf7i]

rencrow my last name is Jones, I don’t usually assume people with that name may have some relation to me.

[@jeromequentin777]

May I know the country where this interview been made?

[@williamarthur4801]

I'm Catholic but really enjoy your channel, if we didn't have a world with 'bad' things, how could we appreciate the good, also it would mean the removal of the free will which God gave us.

[@robeenatahseen3584]

Asalam alaikum please can stop the small frame that keeps moving. It disracts from very interesting discussions. Jazakallah khairun.

[@tubo1639]

I highly doubt that the day we die and go in front of God and we have lived a good life in our hearts but did not believe in him that he will reject us.....?

[@waleed8618]

I think the understanding of the fitra should have been discussed in greater detail regarding the matter of inherently having good morals. Besides that, great job :D

[@Yameen200]

I think it means, every human has a natural tendency to not want to harm others for nothing, except for psychopaths

[@user-rm2lq4eo1w]

Go meta

[@shiponraza2070]

brilliant

[@at7860]

we learnee this today at school

[@mustafam2078]

Jazakallah i am in awe of Dr shabir knowledge and wisdom.Where can i learn islam and theology to become like Dr shabir ally.Would like to get recommendations please

[@Yameen200]

Moderation in Islam By Al Ghazali is a good book Highlights certain philosophical themes such as gods attributes, properties, and metaphysics. Pretty Advanced tho if uve never learmt any philosophy before

[@ShujMosFol]

And translate arab language from back then is hard because 1 old Word arabic has 10 meanings you can’t translate the Q’uraan

[@neilsant1194]

One sign that Dr.Shabir has deep prayer meditation is he barely have lines or has no wrinkle in his forehead & face. His deep lines in face is sign of being a speaker.

[@Magic818100]

you know even the religious folks and it doesn't matter what religion but they also struggle like I'll give you a good example look what's happening in Yemen people will say these are little kids why will God allow this to happen to innocent kids it wasn't the fall. and it's not Yemen but as well around the world you know sometimes I don't have answers I wish I did but I don't. You're Next Door neighborhood can I have more than enough to feed the family and even others but then you got them that are next to them that's sometimes I don't even have a meal to feed the family. and these people seek God perhaps the other one then it don't believe in anything. I have to agree with Dr. Shabir Ally, you know there were things that I wish we had answer to because remember, we also reap what we sowed. Peace be to all of you. Insha Allah

[@NeoDemocedes]

2:00 False delimma. He explores only two possibilities, with or without suffering. Yet we know of a great range of suffering in this world. It is understandable that if a baby does not feel pain it will not learn to avoid hitting it's head, thus will eventually do serious harm to itself. It's a temporary suffering to shape behavior. But what about the millions of people that have life-long debilitating pain that cannot be remedied by changing behavior? Why can't we have the former without the latter? It makes more sense that either God is either indifferent to human suffering, incapable or unwilling to change the nature of suffering, or God is non-existent.

[@subzero3056]

We all fear of pains and suffering and is the thing that will all go through

[@sutil5078]

suffering was living under atheist rules, in Soviet, etc.. they ruled and killed and shot if you try to escape their rotten countries. yet blame religions of war and debate about suffering, oh no suffering is bad... they had their chance and made it hell for all the people who lived under them.. only 3% of war, cause of suffering, was made in the name of religions .. . the rest were politically motivated.

[@sutil5078]

In essence you want to boss the world, you actually wants heaven right here. But it is God plan. you have a choice to disoby.. enjoy

[@NeoDemocedes]

@@sutil5078 "suffering was living under atheist rules, in Soviet," There are no "atheist rules" and I am no Soviet. Do YOU accept responsibility for every religeous atrocity ever? "In essence you want to boss the world" How exactly am I trying to "boss the world"?

[@jovan7437]

I love that Muslims say.that nonMuslims(especially atheists/agnostics)can be moral...its rare thing in religious communities.

[@Yameen200]

I would partially disagree with you here, Shabir is one of the more relatable guys that can say that. Many religious ppl particularly hmuslims have this holier than thou attitude and think of atheists as demons and only muslims are moral

[@eslamalipour4682]

that's the reality, all people regardless of their religions or ideologies born with morality but the reason for revelation sent by god is to bring the ones who lost it back to their original morality and to warn people to avoid misleading nature of their whims desires through being conscious of reality all the time.

[@richardcrosby6682]

There are differing viewpoints in Islam, with some saying that moral truths and the existence of God can be ascertained by human reason and the intellect alone, with others saying that only some of those truths can be ascertained without revelation, and yet others saying that none can be ascertained without the aid of revelation. If you're interested in the topic, definitely look into comparative Islamic theology. It's a very interesting topic to explore.

[@yasinenterprise9957]

I think it depends on the intention of a Religious leader...If he wants to accomplish a political goal by involving religious people he would describe a verse of holy book without it's background significance and convince people or brainwash people about that order in a wrong way....that's the hypocrisy and worst deed...So religious books inspires Good people to do good things and bad people to do bad things....

[@ShovikMdAnjum]

@@Yameen200 but Quran doesn't say that.Muslims can't change Islam or Quran

[@Parrots414]

Great Islamic channel Always respect an others please.

[@starmoon4458]

I'm confused you said that God created a perfect world( for angel) and created another one, an imperfect world for human. And you said God is good. What kind of logic is? As example, a father has two sons and he do everything perfectly for the first son and then he do something for the second son imperfectly. So is it a good father or righteousness father? Why God cannot do equally for them if God is good.

[@hz4331]

how about not soffering

[@robtbo]

God doesn’t just allow suffering. God freely, knowingly and unnecessarily intends suffering. The Quran doesn’t say that Allah isn’t evil. That’s the reason why the problem of evil doesn’t apply to the god of the Quran.

[@meru7591]

Praise be to Allah subhanallah for creating the brain always on the quest for reason...

[@Yameen200]

I like Shabir and the way he explains things in a very balanced philosophical way, however, there are problems with this whole concept of suffering that can’t be explained no matter how hard you try to use mental gymnastics. A lot of muslims, when confronted with this issue, will give a generic mindless answer saying “Life’s a test”. Its a major cliche and shows how little they like to think or perhaps subconsciously they feel god will burn them for questioning anything. Those who are more intelligent and philosophical will say suffering is for the greater good, suffering leads to moral growth, the yin yang argument, the whole heaven argument, amongst others, and whilst there is some truth to these answers, it doesn’t answer the problem entirely. They may answer evil at the macro level but ignore the micro level completely. Some may say that we can never understand gods ways or that his view of morals and suffering is different. Well we must then ask why a god would create beings who desire happiness and dislike suffering and have a certain view of morals, yet he thinks entirely different. This in itself would be proof of a psychopath that created beings and then dislikes their desires so as to cause them pain. Not to mention that giving these cliche answers does not explain all the totally unnecessary and fruitless suffering that exists, the excessive amount of diseases, rare genetic defects, the extreme injustice that some face etc etc. Suffering is not a problem but rather the excessive amount of it and the fact that there is no intervention on gods path or freedom from this suffering in many cases ppl suffer and achieve nothing from it. Those that say suffering leads to growth must explain the extreme injustice and how its usually the good ppl or the less privileged that suffer, whilst many are rich brats that don’t think deep or experience extreme hardships. Does god not care about their moral growth, and if not why create such beings in the first place. Furthermore, a god who would burn ppl simply coz they objected to evil due to their high sensitivity to the issue and empathy, or due to personal trauma, well why would anybody want to worship a egomaniac who believes in behaving like a smug bully playing dice with peoples lives. Muslim ppl in particular showout their oppressive complex when they say god cannot be questioned since they admit that they afraid god will burn them for objecting proving that they themselves consider god a cosmic sadistic psycho. Lastly a god which is considereed so great and beyond the material cannot possibly understand empathy and what it is like to experience the humans subjective experience of suffering, This is why christians came up with Christ incarnate to explain how god can feel human pain. And muslims have a hadeeth qudsi statign that god has forbidden injustice amongst himself.

[@eslamalipour4682]

all of your objections come from assuming system of justice which has been set by god to be limited to our worldly life and you are ignoring that this life is just part of that system not the whole of it. each of your questions has a rational answer but in order to appreciate them you need to widen your view to beyond this life otherwise they won't make sense to you. as for your last point "a god which is considered so great and beyond the material cannot possibly understand empathy and what it is like to experience the humans subjective experience of suffering, This is why christians came up with Christ incarnate to explain how god can feel human pain." how can you consider a creator to be unaware of it's creatures even in details?! it is the one who has made them and has set the natural laws how could it be considered to create them without knowledge?!

[@Yameen200]

@@eslamalipour4682 In other words the heaven argument which itself has a whole lotta issues, but u clearly didnt read my stream properly or u wud have noticed that. so my points still stand. And no its not that simplistic, wherebby u say all suffering is justified since eternal heaven is assumed. Of course his so great right so powerful right as Islam claims so he may know that humans go thru pain, but he has no idea how they actually feel., their qualia feeling.

[@eslamalipour4682]

@@Yameen200 apparently you have mentioned the heaven argument and i have missed that as you said but you have not said that why it is not rational to you. he is the one who has set the natural laws how can he be unaware of them?!

[@Yameen200]

@@eslamalipour4682 When we think of suffering in life we can come up with 3 possibilities, 1. Somehow the afterlife explains all of it 2. The world is run by a deistic god which doesnt intervene which explains suffering (still not a god anybody would care about) 3 The world is run by a sadistic god that lets ppl suffer coz he enjoys it 4. There is no god and its all human creation What most ppl never like to say is the last 3 possibilities are entirely logical and possible but yet will cling to the comfortable position which has no evidence and at the end it all boils down to "u gotta have faith"

[@eslamalipour4682]

@@Yameen200 they are possibilities but they are not rational, here is why: 2. if they are happening independent of god's will then who lets them to happen?! another deity?! 3. god is the one who is worthy of worship and that's why we call him god, is a sadistic being worthy of worship to be called god?! if you mean by god a creator (which can be not worthy of worship) then how can you justify all these blessings which we are experiencing them along with the sufferings?! is a sadistic being expected to bless someone?! 4. if there is no god how has this human been created?! because we know that it had a beginning and logic says whatever has a beginning must have been created. why are you not considering more than these 4 possibilities like: 5. the world is being run by a wise god who lets these suffering to happen to be a wake up call for those who lose their way in their lives just like the way that the pain enables us to know that there is something wrong with our body and it needs to be fixed.

[@-dimar-]

Why should all powerful god be good?? This just doesn't make sense. All powerful means he/she can do whatever he/she wants.

[@zverh]

The problem of evil has always been and will always be a thorn in the heart of theists.

[@sutil5078]

not really , short answer "He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned." Al anbiyaa-23 But there are other explanation 2. With free choice and well, evil comes so it is a test for us.. 3. Let us see those atheists what they did when they ruled, Stalin, and his massacre, Pol Pot , Mao etc.. they were ruthless, did not allow people even to call their children certain names like Mohammad, ask Muslims in those region under communist atheists. If you try to run away from their rotten countries, where they govern, they would shoot you, they know that it is rotten that is why they did not allow them to travel. They had a chance to show us their moral, and they show it by mascaraing people like cattle. Hypocrisy But God does not forget nor forgive such acts.

[@drkim4077]

I’m so frustrated by all these imams directly evading the question and answering something else...🤦🏻‍♀️

[@seanfitzpatrick4730]

Sometimes the best people in the world and God's instruments are in no particular religion no religion can Define everything about a person God looks at a person deeper than what their religion is religion Hardly tells anything about a person and these religious leaders priest imám rabbis they don't really know anything about God they only know what they've been taught according to their religion a historical God and a religious God is two different things besides Christianity Islam and Judaism has been tooken from ancient cultures from the past most of the followers of religions don't even research their faiths they just follow there's more to God religion and human history and what the main three religions tell us the only pieces of the puzzle they have and they're very few pieces the leaders of religions are always eager to teach rodino research and don't want to learn from any other source and what they think that is true so narrow-minded these people are and they put God in a box like jelly only one Chosen and no one else can be your few words inspired me to write this write out the blue what you said was helpful I hope what I said made sense to you if God wants to guide someone and do it up close and person not through a religion but through your personal soul have a good day God bless

[@seanfitzpatrick4730]

@@person10 in Mom's priests and rabbis they don't know much they only know what the religion tells them a history of God and Mankind go way deeper than what religion tells us are moms priests and rabbis only have a smidgen of actual history they don't know too much themselves

[@danielbusiness1135]

Person 1864308244 and what comes to their mind, They are still humans just like us. Sometimes they have the direct response in their minds and sometimes not. Allah is the one whose knowledge doesn’t have limits. Alhamdulillah

[@seanfitzpatrick4730]

@@danielbusiness1135 too bad Christianity Islam and Judaism borrowed all then ideas Concepts and stories from ancient cultures every story in the Bible and Quran the Greeks Egyptians Sumerians ancient Africans had them first the major three religions of the world today very Collective religions claiming somebody else's story what a shame

[@hakimyohannes5122]

No wayyyyy, never knew she (the questioner) was Dr Shabir Alis daughter! Mashallah

[@DCassidy42]

12:45 Who designed God? By accepting this sentiment doesn't actually explain or solve the question of existence. It just passes it off to another circular argument that requires 'faith' or ignorance, depending on the person's perspective.

[@biancacamara-roberts9989]

DCassidy42 I used to think this, but you can not try to understand anything that is beyond this universe because we are not in it, god has no concept of time he was not created like us. Because we were born and we have a concept of time. We can not be in the future present past at the same time but god can be. God can be everywhere at once at the same time, wherever, whenever and however. He is not like us so we can not try to understand something that is beyond our intelligence. A fish could never imagine talking, we can not understand the concept of god always being there, because we don’t know anything else but a beginning and a end but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Hope that makes sense.

[@destdrom]

@@biancacamara-roberts9989 of course God swt has a concept of time. He swt is it’s creator. He swt is not restricted by time like we are

[@biancacamara-roberts9989]

@@destdrom yes your right, that can be interpreted wrong, God does have concept of time and understands it but he is not restricted by it or rules under it.

[@blossomparadoxe5545]

are rules that god created in holy book both complete and consistent for humanity? if yes, i need proof for it if no, god ia not omniscient, that is, not god anymore

[@awesoaminsaid6858]

Imam ally is the best muslim debator

[@uks9823]

I can see why this answer or interpretation is unsatisfactory. It doesn't really answers the question.

[@DCassidy42]

5:50 It is called social Darwinism and symbiotic relationships. If two organisms work together to ensure each other's survival, these favorable traits get passed on because the surviving organisms pass on their genetics and social practices to their offspring. Morality is utilitarian. Good and bad, and right and wrong aren't universal concepts, rather they are culturally relative. One culture may see eating meat as justifiable and others may see it as morally flawed, neither is right or wrong, it is merely about being able to justify one's actions.

[@Rokaize]

DCassidy42 Right. Compassion towards another’s children makes total sense in the context of living in a tribe. Which humans did for most of our history. Compassion in general is logical. If we live in a tribe together, would it not benefit me to help you? With the natural instinct that you would later help me? We do this all the time.

[@harithwhite589]

Sofia Shabir Ally

[@theziggyh]

The best Muslim apologist bar none. His knowledge of Islam is profound.

[@ahmedmohiuddin4567]

If a child dies he goes to heaven , I didn't die as a child neither millions of us so we missed the opportunity to go to heaven without any questions?

[@kevinmzi6586]

The answer by Shabir Ally about why there is suffering is not convincing enough. All religious people give some waffle when it comes to suffering.

[@travelingwithtaqwa3862]

Kevin Mzi this life is just a test , and tests have right answers and wrong answers

[@kevinmzi6586]

@@travelingwithtaqwa3862 Tell that to someone who is suffering, he will give you slap. It's amazing those who talk about suffering are sitting in mansions and collecting money via charity.

[@travelingwithtaqwa3862]

Kevin Mzi your certainty that I’m not suffering shows a closed mind my friend

[@48Rangarajan]

.does the merciful and wise God who thought over and then engaged created a deliberate imperfect world had things like children having cancer,or infants born without sight in his mind. ..did God intend all this in his scheme of imperfection.?

[@travelingwithtaqwa3862]

jagannadhan rangarajan everything has purpose for it, the only perfect is God

[@Joejoe-fd4ic]

I hope I have the same relationship with my daughter when she's that old

[@Furqan-tm4gk]

With respect to the issue of suffering / evil in this world, the existence of evil/suffering/imperfection does not necessarily mean God does not exist. See YT video UfB2EPBmSU0. It is interesting that many ppl who have had near death experience (NDE), now describe that during NDE, the blissful state they experienced invoked a kind of feeling that they have returned back "home" In agreement with this, the Quran stated that mankind was once a single entity - then (at one point in existance) they differed (in opinions). *10v19* Mankind was but one nation, but differed (later).Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them Since our home were once "up there", and will (later) be going back "home", it is likely that God had previously created an existence without any suffering, and such is perfectly possible to be done by God. However, a disbeliever might have disputed such fact, and claimed the previous existence was an imperfection, and thus such a dispute led to us being sent down here *2v36*...."Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves.On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time." Mankind, not being the first and the last, may at one point of their existence, disputed the logic behind etc things. For example, how did a person come about and how did they have their apparent identity?. What really is "good" and "evil" or true and false. In this realm, our memory of the previous existence was veiled, so that we could understand the head and tail of things (cause and effect), without the confounding effect of our previous memory. Some Christians believed that there was once a war in heaven. However, the same account does not seem to be apparent in the Quran. The taking of forbidden knowledge parable was conveyed by both Islam/Christianity, however, Islam does not believe in the concept of "original sin", albeit "purification of the soul" is always mentioned by many Muslims Humans were created with different capacity or capabilities, and thus, knowledge (given or taken or omitted) can have an influence to their character. Humans were originally created in perfect proportion (decent). *Him Who created thee. Fashioned thee in due proportion, and gave thee a just bias; (Surah Al-Infitar, 7)* Mankind have decency in them, but a decent person can be manipulated by evil forces and that led to their own "slip ". Taking forbidden knowledge resulted to an imbalance that is against God's will, as that could result to evil inclination *20v121* Then they both ate of it, so their evil inclinations became manifest to them, and they both began to cover themselves with leaves of the garden, and Adam disobeyed his Lord, so his life became evil (to him).. Knowledge is in itself, not evil, but it could cause evil given to the wrong person. A soul with unsanctioned knowledge are "impure soul". This led to characters (of disbelievers), disputing God's knowledge. We are down here to see the cause and effect of things, and presented with time based choices, to provide the "empirical" evidence of our character and what is and true/false; evil/good . *8v37* In order that God may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.. *28v63* Those against whom the charge will be proved, will say: "Our Lord! These are the ones whom we led astray: we led them astray, as we were astray ourselves: we free ourselves (from them) in Thy presence: it was not us they worshipped." *10v33* Thus is the word of thy Lord proved true against those who rebel: Verily they will not believe.

[@mhassaan111]

I wasn't aware that she was his daughter.

[@davidelks8972]

She threw him a major curve ball at 7:55 his entire body language snapped and changed. He went from calm and in control, to I don't know, in a nano-second. However, he played it off quite well, I'll give him that. lol

[@Sophia-db8fu]

Oh my... am I the only one that knew they were father and daughter 😂 they literally have the same surname 💀 Anyways, I just thought I’d say thank you for putting out this video- Islam is logic alhamdulillah ❤️

[@vedasharanmallemari9835]

If good religious people are to be trusted on the existence of God, the logic applies to good, honest atheists who claim there is no God. For example, if we are told by Arctic explorers, some of whom may have been atheists, that Eskimos do not eat spaghetti as a staple, why should we disbelieve them though not many of us have met Eskimos?

[@Being526]

my eyes are wide after hearing that he is her father....!!!!

[@abdulalikiiza6894]

May Allah bless you people

[@jovan7437]

It calls ''selfish gen"...

[@Tightness8]

So when a child gets cancer and dies its okay because theres a balance of other child not suffering?

[@Tightness8]

@@jahjah7342 Either you believe ALL kids with cancer would have grown up to be murderers/commit evil crimes or this response is complete nonsense. Look up the term "Ad-Hoc Hypothesis"

[@Tightness8]

@@muhammadhijas3951 so then why is he born on Earth in the first place? Why not just birth him in heaven instead of making a child suffer and not even giving him the opportunity to learn anything from it.

[@Tightness8]

@@muhammadhijas3951 Example: a baby is born with a disease that kills him after 7 months of pain (happened to my aunt's baby). Why not make him born in heaven? Instead of bringing him to earth just to pointlessly suffer and then go to heaven?

[@Tightness8]

@@muhammadhijas3951 a path that Allah has the power to let the baby skip if he so chooses. Unless you believe allah does not have the power to create people in heaven.

[@axelhernandez9800]

Moe E Allah does have the power to make humans in heaven, Adam was created in heaven and was sent down to earth in the Quran - the death of a child can lead an emotionally detached family into having a closer bond due to the babys passing, that's just one example, it happened to my family

[@tubo1639]

God is Twisted and can not be understood. But yet I still believe..

[@luvDemcheesepuffs]

If you’re trauma informed, you know that people, especially children who are innocent, do not have a choice nor possibility for growth in the future after their abuse/trauma. This still doesn’t make sense to me, even as a Muslim.

[@erwingeorge6187]

In a world where God exist, is it his will for people to kill others, because he allow suffering in the world for a good reason? So should we imprison a murder for doing God's will?

[@Naddi_]

That's not God's will, that's entirely on the Satan and the fact that the human listened to Satan

[@davidgeorge4560]

I am a Christian always want to be a Christian, but I like shabir ally and his debates

[@yusrilyusril2381]

I recomend u to watch Sam gerrans' videos

[@yusrilyusril2381]

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[@alhassangangu4357]

ALLAH gave us the option to choose