The Death of a Monarch - Objectivity 262

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[@GeertDelmulle]

Great video of Remembrance of The Queen. Please make appointment in your schedule of Objectivity videos to show us the new illuminated page with the new royal signature on it. History as we speak and history in the making! Thank you.

[@matthewb3113]

Thanks Objectivity for this interesting insight to an important document within the Charter book. Keith must be having fun learning how to do something that is likely a once in a life-time act.

[@ragnkja]

Depending on how long King Charles III lives.

[@ragnkja]

On average, it’s once per generation.

[@666Tomato666]

I don't wish Charles III ill, but he's not exactly the same age as Elizabeth II was when she ascended the throne...

[@kilimanjarocruz660]

I agree with a lot a commenters that we would like to see this process unfolding with King Charles III. Really interesting video as always.

[@dragonrykr]

6:28 there is even a signature in Chinese there! I wonder whose it is Edit: It's actually in Japanese, that's Emperor Hirohito!

[@eaterdrinker000]

Hmm, before or after MacArthur had his way with him? P.S., I'm a fan of neither. P.P.S., I know most of the post-war story; I watched the movie "Emperor."

[@yousorooo]

裕仁 (Hirohito), the Japanese emperor of the Shōwa era.

[@yendub]

Thanks, this is what I came to search for.

[@stevendebettencourt7651]

@@eaterdrinker000It would have to be after, probably when Hirohito toured Europe in the early 1970s. He was the first Japanese Emperor to leave the islands of Japan.

[@rin_etoware_2989]

hope we soon get a first look at the new Royal page! 🤞

[@landspide]

Not much of a monarchist, but each page turn yielded a warm smile.

[@sqaudseven]

This turned out to be a particularly interesting episode. Thanks Brady and of course Keith.

[@ObjectivityVideos]

Thanks for watching it!

[@sadariuswolf]

I heartily believe that Brady & Keith's contribution to preserving and sharing worldwide the vast knowledge meticulously collected by all the previous contributors to the Royal Society is just as important, valuable and worthy of all awards and honors as those previous contributors. I hope they receive the recognition that we've seen represented in episodes like these, at least eventually.

[@dielaughing73]

Brady was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2021 (among many other awards)

[@Qenton]

Well, that was absolutely fascinating!

[@RichardHolmesSyr]

Is that Margaret Thatcher's signature? Right above David Attenborough? 10:33

[@peterfireflylund]

Yes. She was a Fellow. She was a chemist, after all.

[@MetalMachine616]

Hopefully you can film the process of the illuminated page being drawn (and signed)

[@garrysekelli6776]

What is the last name of Elizabeth or Charles? Or dont they have last names? Being vampires and all.

[@Billzor991]

@@garrysekelli6776 Windsor but they sign with "R" to signify being the monarch

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

It would be great if we could see who the artist is. To design something so grand, a manuscript that will be preserved for all of time, is surely not a task that is taken lightly.

[@xja85mac]

It seems that the royal page is stitched on somehow: do they cut an existing page and stitch the new one on to what's left? do they paste the page on and stitch it on the side? What will happen when the charter book runs out of pages?

[@JeffBilkins]

I don't know how illuminators are usually employed these days but I'd expect getting the call to create the new patron page for a charter with a history like this must feel like a unicorn. Will we get a follow-up when this procedure is completed? To be fair I don't doubt it, the access and history being appended is so good :D

[@666Tomato666]

I'm guessing that people working on book renovations would be more than skilled enough to do that. But yes, I wonder when and how long it will take.

[@loam6740]

What is the Japanese signature on the queens patron page ?

[@GeertDelmulle]

The Japanese Emperor - watch earlier video for the details.

[@DasGanon]

@@GeertDelmulle Which the best video on it (Also by Brady) isn't actually on this channel, it's from Periodic Videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6i7Xp9ufKt1p5o

[@wyrmhand]

@@GeertDelmulle Thanks

[@AlRoderick]

I think it's Emperor Hirohito, the only people who would be signing on that page would be other royals and he was on the Japanese throne until 1989.

[@teeteetuu94]

It's that of Emperor Hirohito.

[@pinedelgado4743]

Wonderful video and wonderful artifacts and documents of such a wonderful organization!! Thank you for producing and posting!!

[@JBLewis]

By chance we were in London during the mourning week. We never quite got around to the Carlton House Terrace side of the Royal Society due to the crowds that gathered along the Mall each day. It was certainly an interesting time to be in London.

[@davidcurry1818]

Nicely done, the both of you.

[@idjles]

Looking forward to seeing Charles III as a guest on Objectivity!

[@tenthz]

I am sure he would love it as much as Keith and Brady!

[@stevendebettencourt7651]

While it was more of a cameo appearance, we did see him on an episode of Periodic Videos when Prof. Poliakoff was knighted.

[@patricescattolin43]

Well, the thing that stands out is Queen Elisabeth's message and how she values the work of the society. It starts from the top I suppose and that's certainly good news for a society with decision making guided by science.

[@AliceYobby]

Haven’t finished watching so this may be addressed, but; I am very curious to see what changes with this process this time around. As in, I would imagine the ordered steps in general follow the precedent that was set, but, for example, I wonder how the language of the Loyal Address and request for patronage changes? Details like that. And will they too this time print a record of the steps they took upon Elizabeth’s death?

[@yendub]

I want to see the process of the page being illustrated and illuminated.

[@bnm0312]

As an aside, will the communication between the Royals and the Society (specifically the ones reviewed in this video) still be done on paper, or are we communicating via email now? And if so, the emails would be printed off and entered into the record that way? Paper copy is so much better, IMO. Thanks!

[@MoxkyBashwell]

I would like to learn more about the illuminator and the art craft. The college of arms.

[@MoxkyBashwell]

Also the royal book binders.

[@MoxkyBashwell]

Who are the royal silver and gold Smith who created the mace or crowns.

[@rescdsk]

I'd love to see videos about that too. Wikipedia does have good information which is worth several hours of reading, one entry point is "King of Arms" which is a heraldic position.

[@memberHD]

Brady should try and get in and film the signing. Him and Charlie are already mates. Good chance for them to catch up on the old times

[@mateuszcielas3362]

6:31 who is on the left? this character? and the blue one? and whose coats are there?

[@klausolekristiansen2960]

The arms on the left are Canada and Australia. I do not recognise the ones on the right.

[@jeffarmstrong1308]

Just catching up with this about a year after the event. BY now the Royal Page has probably been added to the Book. Has this happened yet? The addition would make another great Objectivity video.

[@deniscoghlan7140]

Really hope there is a video/interview with the College of Arms on the process and progression of the new signature sheet. But also….what is the “College of Arms” and what do they do. Good Segway for a new Objectivity series…….they may have another Keith (not likely) hiding in the wings.

[@ragnkja]

The College of Arms is England’s heraldic authority, and formally part of the Royal Household, but not funded by it.

[@alimanski7941]

I was interested as well, and looked it up - the College of Arms maintains a record and registry of the coats of arms and pedigrees.

[@peterfireflylund]

@@ragnkja Their salary structure is really crazy, btw.

[@MrPeterhe]

Could we get a video on the making of the page for the king to sign? How are the illuminations made would be interesting to see.

[@krissp8712]

I have always wondered what the full title of the Royal Society is, and now I know that it's based in London, and for the advancement of natural knowledge!

[@captianmorgan7627]

Interesting that even by '52 Hirohito was invited to London and to sign some ceremonial paperwork.

[@stevendebettencourt7651]

Not 1952. Hirohito toured Europe for the first time in the early 1970s. That’s likely when he signed it.

[@robs7110]

I was surprised to see that the Oxford comma was not used in the letter asking for the royal patronage.

[@one-man-band]

As tragic as this is, i REALLY wanted to see this transition

[@Yezpahr]

When I heard the news I instantly thought of all the British/Scottish content creators that I follow on KZbin. It's interesting to think they never saw a change of the throne in their life, as she sat on it for soooo long.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

12:15 Because you stepped away while still holding it, for a second I thought you were going to pretend to run away with it...

[@CptPatch]

I was curious why the book was signed 裕仁 (Hirohito) on the same page that Elizabeth II signed. It was, in fact, the Japanese Emperor Shouwa who I've just learned was a foreign fellow of the royal society. Neat!

[@peterfireflylund]

He was a biologist.

[@MichaelDreksler]

It seems somewhat unusual to have the image of the queen facing right on the medal? I know the stamps switch directions from monarch to monarch, wonder if they do on coins and medals too?

[@ragnkja]

Coin portraits are well known to switch back and forth, and future British coins are expected to face left.

[@vectornine]

I wonder what the story of Emperor Hirohito of Japan's signature being on that page is?

[@BleuSquid]

Why were her initials ER? I thought her surname was Windsor.

[@qwertyTRiG]

R. for Regina (Queen). See below Charles P., for Prince.

[@TheDandeyo]

It's not exactly her initials - it's a cypher or glyph for Elizabeth II Regina. The Regina portion is the latin for "Queen. The new cypher for Charles III will be CR or CIIIR with the crown above. The R, in this case, standing in for the latin word "Rex" rather then "Regina".

[@Gibbsian36]

The R stands for "Regina", which is the Latin word for Queen.

[@Dave_Sisson]

It is an abbreviation for the Latin, Elizabeth Regina, for the new king it will be C.R. or Charles Rex (Rex mean king in Latin).

[@eaterdrinker000]

Elizabeth II Regina (regina is the Latin word for queen)

[@jama211]

Amazing!

[@thefub101]

Saw Thatcher’s signature 😊

[@shookings]

Brady, out of curiosity, are there any significant items in the Royal Society from Americans?

[@abdelhamidcherragui]

I'm wondering who was the first person to sign right after Queen Elizabeth II became Patron and who's the last?

[@Marconius6]

I like that the queen writes Me with a capital.

[@pyglik2296]

It's interesting to think that the next monarch could _theoretically_ just refuse to become a patron and make the Royal Society, well, just a Society.

[@ragnkja]

It would go against a lot of the values he’s known to have, but yes, it is possible.

[@rin_etoware_2989]

one of those Things that The Sovereign can Theoretically Do (except it will cause so much bad press it's not worth it), which is of course distinct from Things &c. (that will instantly create a major constitutional crisis)

[@Kae6502]

Not from the UK, but I've been following the 24/7 live stream from Westminster Hall of people paying their respects to the Queen. Kind of addicted to watching it I'll admit. So sad. So historical. Thank you for this video. Perfect as always. My heart goes out to all those in the United Kingdom at this solemn time.

[@TheyCallMeNewb]

"R"? What was this woman's surname? Ronaldson? Rumplestiltskin? Roddy? I've never actually heard it (perhaps owing to some technicality; though even in that case if the lineage is sufficiently well-traced, one imagines a name would drop).

[@frabol02]

It actually stands for "regina" meaning "queen" in Latin. The same would be for a king, standing for "rex"

[@X_Baron]

She formally didn't have a surname, but belonged to the House of Windsor, and some of her family members have Windsor in their surname.

[@TheyCallMeNewb]

Oh I see. But what then of the original name? Is it lost to history? It's not been 1,000 years, and given the significance, one wouldn't so.

[@latibass]

Hope to see an update when King Charles III has signed his page.

[@TraitorVek]

1:47 - Who are the ladies to HRM's right shoulder ? - Left of Picture

[@Stravant]

Who's the Kanji signature from?

[@eaterdrinker000]

Other commenters indicated that it the Japanese signature of Emperor Hirohito. An earlier Objectivity video might have covered this, but I don't remember it well.

[@rafakordaczek3275]

That was unexpected... I mean, the video.

[@Big98Bob]

Brady looking good! Lost some weight?

[@auscaliber1]

cant believe they used 'his' in reference to two kings, no comment when later 'her' was used in reference to the queen. glad you pointed that out. wtf.

[@juliusreiner5733]

Why are there Chinese characters signed on the Queen’s patron page

[@eaterdrinker000]

Other commenters indicated that it the Japanese signature of Emperor Hirohito. An earlier Objectivity video might have covered this, but I don't remember it well.

[@Mrgillescarrier]

Brady, I’m sure that the French Académie des sciences has some very interesting objects and documents to share with your viewers. Have you considered contacting about making videos with them? Viewers, please like if you approve. Thanks.

[@ObjectivityVideos]

I'd love to!

[@TraitorVek]

Why does the Royal Society, NOT send a wreath ?

[@RobertoCarlosM]

One of the signatures, i believe it's japanese, who's the patron from Japan?

[@nickhall8319]

Hirohito

[@kaiplue]

Emperor Hirohito who visted and is a foreign fellow of the society.

[@SamVekemans]

While I'm certainly not a fan of the monarchy, it's great to see the history of Royal Society being shared. Looking forward to the next update when King Charles III signs it as I'm sure he will.

[@douro20]

I wonder if they had the Stationers' Company make the condolences book?

[@ColdsideRamrod]

Speaking as an American, it's so strange that Brits actually seem to care when their leaders die. If America lost its president, half of us would be celebrating outright, and the other half would be completely apathetic.

[@alicewyan]

I'm no longer living in Britain, but I get the feeling that the same would be true about any Prime Minister in the UK.

[@krisweinschenker598]

I had to look up the definition of nullius in verba.... I think the British monarchy, for all its faults, remains history's most successful, and will still hold a vital place in maintaining world stability.

[@sujimtangerines]

Never thought to ask until recently but is The Royal Society like a combination of the USA's National Archives + Smithsonian... or some other institution?

[@xliquidflames]

Did the Queen Elizabeth ever visit the Royal Society?

[@DM-yj9qf]

For better or worse, Brady did not attempt a Claire Foy as the Queen impression.

[@RonJohn63]

Can/would republicans be members of the Royal Society?

[@XmarkedSpot]

1:26 Was it a choice to display a brand name? Parker stands for a fine one even if I prefer rOtring but these are beside the point

[@tomgidden]

To be fair, Her Majesty was a Parker user -- Parker 51, burgundy and gold, if I remember correctly. Maybe Charles III will ditch the leaky pen he has once he gets his hands on that one.

[@XmarkedSpot]

@@tomgidden Ah thanks a lot, the box doesn't seem that much out of place anymore - but now i'm curious about that pen. Say, does a leaky pen signify anything in particular?

[@F_L_U_X]

3:48 as opposed to synthetic/artificial knowledge

[@flamencoprof]

As opposed to spiritual/artistic knowledge, I would say. They are referring to knowledge of the natural world.

[@veramae4098]

Phooey to monarchs.

[@cpt_nordbart]

They lost their surname hm? I have heard of a signature from Charles as "Charles R" on his note on the Queens Coffin during the funeral. I think it's interesting.

[@mylittledashie7419]

3:50 "Universally" I think *many* nations and peoples would disagree with that word quite strongly.

[@reluginbuhl]

Abject obsequiousness!

[@dstinnettmusic]

You know, if only you knew someone who has made successful content related to the royal family and UK…and could have a long form talk about this a historic event. An American immigrant would be interesting as well, given their outsider and insider perspective combined into one person!!

[@douglasboyle6544]

I for one think you should be getting one of those awards Brady, not that my vote counts for much 😉

[@garrysekelli6776]

Not solumn for me.

[@moxman1]

I'm not sure why a monarchy is so loved.

[@triton62674]

People have a need to feel inferior apparently

[@mateuszcielas3362]

its an unusual thing and pretty fun to watch all this

[@winterborn82]

For the same reasons people love the kardasians. Not saying that I know why, just that it seems the same to me.

[@tabularasa0606]

The monarch is a nationalist symbol. It is not rational, but emotional. It's tribal behaviour.

[@mateuszcielas3362]

@@tabularasa0606 economicaly perfect for UK

[@DontMockMySmock]

"this is obviously a global event" is it though??? it's the inhereted-wealth figurehead of a single country. it's local af

[@auroraourania7161]

She was the queen of quite a few countries, including Canada, Australia, Papua New Guinea, quite a few nations in the Caribbean, and New Zealand. While she's obviously very much not well liked in Britain's former colonies, she was also previously Queen of India and a large portion of Africa. Even just in the UK, she was technically Queen of several countries (since the UK is made up of multiple countries, specifically England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland). I'm very much not a royalist, and think that giving people positions of power, even ceremonial, purely off their parentage is an outdated idea, and I also believe that the Monarchy represents, to many people, the legacy of British colonialism, with much of their wealth being gained at the expense of conquered peoples, but her death very much is an event that effects huge portions of the world. Even just looking at the actual, real world impacts that have already happened (as opposed to the still important, but less measurable, effects on public perception, the grief of people who are fans of the monarchy, and the historical significance), Antigua and Barbuda's Prime Minister has already announced that, within 3 years, they will hold a referendum to determine if the country retains King Charles as the King, or if the monarchy will be fully abolished.

[@steve1]

yes it is, she was the head of state for 15 countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

[@unclem7816]

Commonwealth

[@herculesrockefeller8969]

Always nice to have input from the crass and clueless. 🤢

[@eaterdrinker000]

@@auroraourania7161 : I had no idea about the impending referendum, but now I'm sure I'll hear about it everywhere.

[@PetraKann]

Some of us need to grow up

[@jamesconnolly5164]

What will you do when the Royal Society becomes the Republican Society?

[@eaterdrinker000]

In light of the National Health Service, I was going to suggest the name National Society, but that sounds fashy af