Oblivion Magic School - Destruction Deep Dive Part 1 of 2

[@D00ml0rdKazzak]

This video is a 16 minute boss speech where The Hero of Kvatch excitedly reads a spreadsheet to an increasingly nervous Mehrunes Dagon before disintegrating him with flare.

[@cyanidecologne9018]

And then he wakes up... “Hey, you. You’re finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.”

[@tacoman736]

You could headcanon that Martin is just doing all this in the background when you bring him all the magical artifacts, building a single ridiculous effect to use on dagon

[@qwopiretyu]

​@@tacoman736 it's not that it's a bunch of compounding effects it's just "transform into Avatar of Akatosh on self for eternity" but the magika cost requires the sigil stone

[@Ragnarok311]

This is inspiring me to go back and play Oblivion again. There's so much I never messed with or properly understood.

[@lanelesic]

I am doing just that, since I found this channel a few days ago. Got a couple UI and mods for window borderless, and my Breton spellsword character is taking shape. 👍

[@wiserip6080]

There's a charge in the air. Been casting some destruction spells?

[@ng855]

i don't know you and i don't care to know you

[@Tutu.n_n]

​@@ng855 Farewell

[@enclavebrandon3]

​@@ng855 Have you heard of the high elves?

[@agamemnonofmycenae5258]

Arrrgh!Who the f#£% makes Frost deep red instead of blue??! I was enraged for the rest of the vid!

[@theoldknight85]

@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 a reasonable reaction.

[@michaelkunik2645]

you are absolutely killing the game right now, good-style. bless this incredible effort

[@xerfxpec5154]

Dude, your videos are amazing! Its incredible how even after all these years, there is still so much we are learning about this game.

[@CWCvilleCop]

I appreciate this series.

[@Dangermcawesome-x5l]

The shadow play UI is almost iconic at this point ✊

[@swollenapocrypha]

another blessing from the madgod. Hail!

[@ismaelgoldstein786]

#releasethespreadsheets

[@HejneMiro]

for real, can we get a google docs link for some of these? would be nice

[@theoldknight85]

Haha actually? The weakness spreadsheet is more just a display of information, not a functional spreadsheet. Later when I’m at my computer I can link the spell cost calculator one if you’re actually interested, that one functions, I just left out the area multiplier because I wasn’t worried about that when I was making it

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

​@@theoldknight85 will you show this spells in game?

[@wesleysmith5275]

i love this, keep it up. explore every corner of oblivion and its machinations

[@SunsteelAnorang]

> That's a baby coughing, don't worry about it

[@matthew6695]

My guy let’s fucking go!

[@matthew6695]

Literally just finished downloading mods for a new playthrough

[@slinkyslink5161]

Where are we going?

[@matthew6695]

@@slinkyslink5161 Anywhere you'd like, Slink! 😘

[@schuringleon3207]

14:00-14:15 There is a tip I can give you here: the game *does* cap weakness to magic, as long as you simply use weakness to magic at less than 100%. The equation that Oblivion uses for weakness to magic is (100%+x%)*x=x, which will narrow down to .x+.x^2+.x^3+.x^4, and round down each time after a new effect is applied. So basically, if you want to cap at 100% weakness to magic, you have to make a 51% weakness to magic spell, and then cast it for 6 times. After 6 times, it caps out at 51% from then on. Let me give you some percentages and state when they will cap out: - 20%: caps out at 24% after 2 effects - 25%: caps out at 32% after 3 effects - 35%: caps out at 52% after 4 effects - 40%: caps out at 65% after 5 effects - 46%: caps out at 84% after 7 effects - 47%: caps out at 87% after 6 effects - 50%: caps out at 97% after 6 effects - 51%: caps out at 100% after 6 effects

[@PropS570]

I recently started playing oblivion just to see if I can finish the game with the difficulty slider maxed out. This couldn’t have been more perfect timing.

[@theoldknight85]

Get destruction up to 50, the high elf couple in the market district (the woman) sells the weakness to magic spell. Oh and use poisons to get to that point

[@nikoesque]

So I did max. difficulty in Oblivion a few months ago and I figured that I might wanna make it a Lv. 1 run as well. Destruction magic with fireball and a little cheese got me through the tutorial. From there I went with summons, especially the headless zombie is a very solid tank and dps option early into the game. Summons do not scale, so they are most effective when your own level is low. Level scaling in Oblivion is very much not in favor of the player afterall. :D Talking about cheese. I did not finish the main quest that time, but made it through the Arena quite easily by entering the fights, immediately turning right and jumping up a pillar, then summoning my zombie to finish them off. Can be tricky vs. the archers and mages though! Cheers! :)

[@infinitedeath1384]

​@@nikoesqueYou won't be able to do all the quests though.

[@seanhembree6154]

"7744 times the damage... with 16 times the detail."

[@1nsufferab1e]

tl;dr compound interest is game-breaking

[@godspeed3832]

I like that you like your game to be challenging.

[@2copy3copy4cpoy]

"Magic is a tool for killing" -Wirbel

[@forthgoever]

Thanks for these really informative videos! Imo the Weakness to Magic stacking , while a powerful strat , undermines the game design -- It basically solves almost every encounter - It's a shame more combat routes/balance weren't implemented but that's understandable . I'd like to see the 'cheesy' stuff totally balanced/rethought and wouldn't mind a new standard of default-settings if they can fix some of the jankyness - some mods I've found do pretty much that and while I love vanilla Oblivion I prefer these updated ways of playing it .

[@linuxwizzerd5908]

14:01 to be fair that's what Bethesda did in Skyrim but then they just reintroduced it anyway through Restoration effect stacking

[@Eminent_wolf]

Your content is great dude 👍

[@Kaijudomage]

7744 on a 20 sec paralyze, that's what 43 hours? xD

[@theoldknight85]

Haha well the 7744 includes the elemental weakness multiplier, so it would be a measly x88 multiplier. Is a 29 minute paralyze even that long?

[@Prfinity]

Youn don't have the hands of a healer

[@ArvelDreth]

I don't fully understand that second chart you did where you got a damage multiplier in the thousands. Is it because casting weakness to magic between two different spells causes the weakness spell effect of the new spell to be effectively multiplied by the weakness spell effect of the previous spell? Like the first 100% weakness causes the second 100% weakness to become 200% weakness?

[@theoldknight85]

@@ArvelDreth the enemy will have a total weakness effect on them, which is the 2 spells added together. Every time you cast a spell it’s magnitude will be multiplied based on the weakness of the target (300% weakness is a x4 multiplier). That is why weakness to magic stacks and refreshes, rather than just refreshes duration. Weakness to fire is just along for the ride, but total damage is multiplied by both weakness multipliers

[@ArvelDreth]

@theoldknight85 gotcha, so I was on the right track in my thinking then (even if I maybe didn't explain it super well). That makes sense, honestly I'm fairly certain I have already unintentionally done this before many, many years ago not long after release, but didn't realize it because I was probably 10 or something.

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

​@@theoldknight85I'm not a native English speaker. Will you order in-game how you craft your spells?

[@theoldknight85]

@ sure. I’ll do a video demonstration after Christmas. I’ll be on my phone for comments but I’m going to be away from my computer for today and tomorrow

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

@@theoldknight85 awesome)))

[@maxwellhill4754]

So what's the best way to do 500 damage?

[@MrHathaway1337]

So what spell can I make to fast level destruction?

[@theoldknight85]

@@MrHathaway1337 weakness on self and feather on touch. Lowest magnitude for 1 second for each

[@MrHathaway1337]

@theoldknight85 I'll try it out later and thank you.

[@Lienhardismus]

ok so the games mechanics are just broken 😂😅 bethesda 😂😂😂 its like the fortify restoration exploit in skyrim i remember many years ago creating a capped damage iron dagger and one hitting absolutly everything its fun doing it the first time but i think such fundamentally broken mechanics are kind of demotivating i like optimizing my builds in any rpg but discovering just cheesy broken stuff takes away from that fun in my opinion anyway nice video and very good explanation 👍🏻

[@infinitedeath1384]

I personally don't think you're breaking the game by stacking the spells. The effect is doing exactly what it's intended to do. A target that is weak to magic will be even more weakened by a weakening spell, and even more weakened by another after that. It just makes logical sense for that to be the case, which is why i consider it to be legit and not cheating.

[@theoldknight85]

You’re right, the left column is just stuff that changes the game lots, those are things I avoid just for my own personal enjoyment reasons

[@infinitedeath1384]

@theoldknight85 That's fair. I personally wouldn't do the one where you switch between 2 identical weakening spells, because the numbers do get ridiculously high.

[@LostIzaa115]

I have a question : if you play an ice spellsword with chillrend and weakness to frost as a spell will the effect of chillrend and spell stacks and give a big boost to frost dmg ?

[@theoldknight85]

@@LostIzaa115 they will stack additively. If you have a 50% weakness to frost and a 75% weakness to frost from another source the enemy will have 125% weakness and take 2.25x damage

[@LostIzaa115]

@ sound pretty nice to make a good playthrought, would you recommend to wait until higher levels to get chillrend with a nice scaling ?

[@theoldknight85]

@ I think the brothers can be difficult to save at high levels. Any custom enchant could include weakness as well. I like to use weakness spells and have my weapon just pure damage, but to each their own. Chillrend I think is most useful that early-mid game level 10-15ish when you need a good power spike.

[@512TheWolf512]

I can swing a sword in reality, easy. an rpg is completely worthless if you can't be a powerful wizard or the stories it tells are bad