Oblivion Standard Classes Ranked!

[@Imperiused]

This was a great request! I LOVE the art for Oblivion's classes. It's basically what I think about when thinking about the class I want to play in other TES games.

[@IzraelGraves]

My favorite thing about Oblivion classes is if you pick a premade class then switch to custom, you keep the art.

[@qwopiretyu]

Lesser known customization option

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

Yep, and then you NEVER GET TO SEE IT AGAIN 😭

[@Spellweaver5]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai you see it every time you open the character screen, what are you talking about?

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

@@Spellweaver5 …do you? I haven’t played in a while but I remember that always being something I was bummed out about.

[@Spellweaver5]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai when you hover over the class name, it shows the art.

[@goransekulic3671]

Another possibility would be not only how "effective" the base classes are, but how "thematic" they are ; that is to say how good are they at representing what they want to represent. That ranking can then be combined with the "efficiency rating" for the final rating of a given class.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

It has been years since I've played it, but people tend to sell Restoration short. It isn't just about topping off the health bar. One of my favorite runs was a custom druid-type class which had Restoration as a major skill and focused on the fortify skill or attribute spells. The idea was he would invoke various animal spirits to boost his abilities. Need to go faster, hit harder, or jump higher for a few seconds? That's Restoration in Oblivion (unless I'm remembering completely wrong, which is possible.) Absorb Health is a great offensive spell for the school and even things like magic resistance fall under it. Some of the abilities probably should have fallen under Alteration.

[@theoldknight85]

@@Mr._Anderpson restoration is my favorite skill due to its versatility

[@Toner_Cartirdge]

Love the oblivion content! I always chose the pilgrim when i used to play, mostly because of the artwork :) .

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

Looks like a picture of a Warrior-Scholar. Quite an interesting fantasy.

[@5dollarfootlongcat]

Really enjoy channels like this that deep dive into specific games

[@ashmonkey2572]

Oblivion’s levelling system would only be half as bad if it told you how it works. Half the time the descriptions are misleading. That’s why for the longest time I didn’t know that minor skills influenced the attribute increase when levelling up. Because of this I used to think that the mage class was really solid. Thanks for the videos. Perfect infotainment.

[@lanelesic]

I played Oblivion on release and beat the game several times, with different classes and races (didn't use custom class until maybe some 2015. playtrough) and I first learnt about level scaling and that it was a problem to some players around 2011. Funny how it panned out for me, as my classes of choice are spellsword, battlemage, sorcerer, crusader, knight and warrior. That and I always favored combat heavy builds and reflect spells and enchantments.

[@R6-kc4jx]

I wish they gave you a spread sheet to see what you are affecting

[@Coyote-6]

I am curious to see what your ideal build would be for just a standard playthrough. No min-max levelling, just efficient skills and attributes with endgame in mind. Excellent video!

[@FTZPLTC]

I love how old RPGs were totally happy to let you screw yourself over at the character creation stage. I'm now wondering what the worst possible _custom_ class would be.

[@horse_dog]

specialization: stealth favored attributes: speed, personality majors: mercantile, speech craft, security, acrobatics, athletics, mysticism, illusion actually now that i think about it, this could be an interesting “pacifist” build where you get by on sneaking and frenzying people

[@Jiub-Jones]

@@horse_dog So just invisible/sneak/run past everything. EZ

[@quint3ssent1a]

​@@horse_dog swap somewhat useful illusion for unarmed (hand-to-hand) skill and you got AN ABSOLUTE WORST.

[@davischalstrom]

Hell yeah! Thank you!

[@qwopiretyu]

You invalidate my comment

[@Mephitinae]

Too bad that personality and speech are so neglected in Elder Scrolls. My original character was an imperial rogue, so my disposition was high with almost everyone after doing the faction quests. I loved how the guards, who are all imperials, would just ignore my bounty and say "Looks like you're in some trouble. Since we're friends, don't worry". Would be great if your character wouldn't have to be good at combat, and instead complete quests with charm, trickery, and convincing people to join your quests.

[@theoldknight85]

It’s awesome for role playing, and I do typically put points into personality before agility because the fun of it is more beneficial, but that is only late game after I’m good for combat

[@Yargulious]

I don't think I've ever played Oblivion with one of the default classes. Kind of tempted to now.

[@theoroderick782]

Bro this is amazing

[@roxxxydubois]

I like rp natural leveling too

[@Ynfiniti]

Can you combi-wear light and heavy armor pieces to level both at the same time?

[@spookhorse]

You can, but it is far less efficient for both types. Every "hit" you take witbout blocking gives you a set amount of experience in whatever armor you have equipped in the area that was "hit." All hits are randomly assigned to head, body hands, legs, feet and shield. (Thats why a mudcrab can damage your helmet, even though it is snipping at your ankles) Generally, it is better to focus on the one armor type you prefer, and heavy is generally better than its light equivalent if you can handle the extra weight, until you reach Master levels, which makes the high end armor sets (glass and deadric for light and heavy respectively) basically equal in protection and weight (when worn). At that point heavy armor just has more health.

[@yupa5221]

Witchhunter was one of my playthrough that I spent a lot of time, it's just fun for me. I started as stealth archer but end up as a stealth mage late game.

[@bsh819]

Hey, how about a quest tierlist? Like best rewards per time/effort at level 1 type thing?

[@krzysztofcyran3593]

Is bosmer thief at the bottom?4

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

Yes, but only male bosmer.

[@wwm84]

You really don't need magic skills to play Oblivion. I should know, I exclusively played melee at the time and never used a magic school for a major and never had issues with the game for it.

[@collinevenson4173]

You should do one for morrowind

[@nybethobdilord6912]

I actuary think Crusader and Sorcerer is better than you think and deserve A tier. Having Heavy Armor alongside magic skills as your major skills is very strong. Restoration being a major skill to me is important because it's true that it's so slow you need trainers for it but that means it being a major skill is so much more important because of the money you'll save. You're not always gonna have the gold to train the skill.

[@theoldknight85]

That’s fair about restoration. Idk about a tier for crusader though, they have all 3 strength skills and it’s just a lot of waste.

[@nybethobdilord6912]

I actually dove deeper into the meta of Oblivion and the tier list would need complete restructuring. Because it turns out it's way better having hard to level or useless skills as your major skills than to have the ones you need. This is because if you have the ones you want as major skills then your leveling will be really inefficient as you'll gain less stat gains per level. Making you weaker than enemies that scale with you.

[@spicedoliveoil7928]

⁠​⁠@@nybethobdilord6912What you are describing is called “efficient levelling”. It’s the most powerful way to build your character, but I think Oldknight finds it a waste of time, because of how annoying and slow efficient levelling can be.

[@theoldknight85]

@ nope. Completely backwards and a total misconception. My entire channel is centered around dispelling that myth

[@bronysaiyan5236]

Am i like the only one that intentionally picks grindable majors so i start the game and any quest at like lvl 40 or higher? I want mexed out uniques no matter how bad

[@RKGrizz]

Imagine thinking Agent is D tier. It's the best way to play.

[@MrThewetsheep]

I don’t understand why magic is “the best” I almost never use magic in oblivion am I missing something?

[@theoldknight85]

It’s just incredibly versatile in oblivion with very little downside. Also physical damage is pretty low compared to other games, without some type of magic enemies typically feel spongy late game

[@MagnetSphere-kc3gm]

video idea: tier list for best slider in character builder lmao jk, but i do have a question, is H2H any good with Fortify H2H enchantments? also holding a torch makes you attack way faster with H2H so maybe that will give it some credibility? idk, i just hate that Skyrim doesnt have it as a skill at all and i just WANT it to be good even tho i always knew it wasnt

[@Quintin4407]

I’m pretty sure you need fortify fatigue to buff your hand to hand after 100 strength and 100 skill

[@MagnetSphere-kc3gm]

@@Quintin4407 ah mhm ok yeah that makes sense why i do crap damage, i never got to 100 in any skill

[@secredeath]

Elder scrolls 6 needs this. But we know thats not happening

[@EdgeoftheUnicorn]

I mean for me the best class is the one with the skills I want to use least. With oblivions level scaling so unforgivable I cant see the advantage of having all the usefull skills as main skills. :/

[@theoldknight85]

This is an incredibly common misconception, and honestly all of my videos circle around the topic.

[@R6-kc4jx]

Rate the spells that stores sell

[@Raycloud]

Nah, don't really agree. Stealth is as broken in Oblivion as it is in Skyrim, same with Alchemy. Assassin functions pretty perfectly for example, with skills that make sense and the game stays playable.

[@Avatar1977]

Now rank the classes considering the Oblivion levelling system and try to justify any of them being above D

[@theoldknight85]

I ranked them considering the leveling system.

[@immasword]

bro did you just say you NEED magic in arena through oblivion? lies bro ive never even used a magic build in daggerfall or morrowind lol

[@IdiotSandwich-yp2ke]

yeah no idea what he's talking about there I played daggerfall with a Nord who couldn't use magic, and it was ***very*** good he was beast

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

Warriors are very solid in Morrowind too. I just assumed that by magic he meant on-use enchancments like Vampire Ring and stuff. In regards to just casting spells normally being a warrior beats being mage, especially if you use a warhammer.

[@theoldknight85]

You literally need to levitate in Morrowind to progress certain quests. And did you seriously not use magic for mark, recall, and intervention? Arena seems like a major headache without magic, I don’t think I could pull it off. As for Daggerfall… it’s been awhile, so maybe I’m misremembering, but material requirements to hit certain enemies was a big pain for me without magic

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

@@theoldknight85 The best course with Levitation is to just have two potions. One to get to Master Avron chambers to talk to his guard and start his quest and second to return to him to get reward. The reward is an Amulet of Levitation.

[@immasword]

@@theoldknight85 enchantmented items, potions and/or scrolls can pretty much always substitute for actual spells

[@karpai5427]

Finally.

[@quint3ssent1a]

Honestly i think that monk is even worse than thief, just by virtue of having a hth skill as your main damage skill. With thief at least you can argue that you will rely on sneak and archery, with monk you just gonna suck all the way from start to finish. Just terrible class.

[@qwopiretyu]

Why rank these? Nobody uses them? Surely only you and I care?

[@MagnetSphere-kc3gm]

yeah i only see them being good for RP but i mean, i guess its good to know and helps wrap your brain around what and why some skills are bad

[@ethanparker4309]

Why not rank them ?😂 bruh people still use them.

[@pandaexpress-hm1bc]

A lot of people use them lol

[@ThomasWarhammer]

For the novelty? Does there have to be a reason?

[@superscatboy]

Bit of fun

[@BEARDEDSLOTH802]

Always like the Scout class