Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - Game or Sim? Are the Critics Right? My Impressions

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[@PremiumUserUltra]

What are you playing on? Steam or Xbox app?

[@GCOCommander]

The servers are overloaded. It's a bit better than launch day but i have a noticeable decrease in streamed asset quality over 2020, this should resolve over time. A few plusses I appreciate are, much better overall physics: this is noticeable, I had FSRealistic to simulate things like bump sounds and turbulence feeling, but having it actually happening in the sim due to physical interactions really changes the feeling noticeably. Jury is still out on the ground clutter being more immersive, maybe it's streaming quality or just not that much better. Planes from 2020 generally all have issues, from landing lights that don't project, click spots that don't work or physics that feel strange, I feel like more work is needed to better integrate this.

[@qools1]

Perhaps it's time to stop pre-ordering games and let companies earn consumer's trust first before accepting to pay increasingly high amounts.

[@justpostedagain]

It has never been a good time to pre-order games if you ask me. Certainly not from a behemoth like Microsoft. Small indie developer who needs your support? Maybe.

[@qools1]

@justpostedagain oh I agree. Paying a game double the price, get a T-shirt and a plastic figure, and not being able to play the game yet

[@clarenceoveur9497]

Yep, didn't bother buying this one. Will check again in a couple of mon.. years?

[@HecmarJayam]

There MUST be an option to download a section of the map for offload playing. That way you can always fly no matter what's going on with the servers. Its such an OBVIOUS idea.

[@knochey2296]

Counter argument is that this would hammer the servers even more because more data is downloaded in a shorter timeframe. Also it raises the question when and if the downloaded data (cache) is invalidated or not. It's not as easy as it seems

[@HecmarJayam]

@@knochey2296 Don't you think it would be easy to include a small mountain range with a simple airport in the installation files?

[@KrispyNuggetBoutique]

@@knochey2296 Sure it is, it worked just fine for 2020.

[@FordSierraIS]

​​​@@knochey2296 pft. You know who makes fsim? The same company that has the worlds biggest cloud service. Microsoft Azure. Dont think that some sweaty sim nerds can take down that infrastructure. They could have let people preload the game before release too. Im shocked how bad this was executed from the worlds biggest software and cloud company. Same with netflix and the tyson fight...insane

[@Battleneter]

And some people think cloud gaming is the future, its not.

[@pvdgucht]

Can’t wait to play this in 4 years when it’s at its best with a RTX 6090 and a 11950X3D. Great stuff!

[@danilooliveira6580]

the GPU requirement is basically the same as MFS2020 and it seem to be softer on the CPU. the problem is the streaming that is chugging.

[@nzavon]

🤣 correct 😁

[@stingweeber6394]

It’s fine. Calm down

[@Secretgeek2012]

I had giant green squares literally everywhere, was able to fly everywhere but it looked like a weird dream.

[@PremiumUserUltra]

Get your bandwidth up

[@harrasika]

​@@PremiumUserUltra did you watch the video? The problem is on Microsoft's end.

[@Fabian3269]

Same problem here. Speedtest is 845 Mbps. Got a Legion 5 Pro and running the game on medium specs

[@slightfimulator4888]

I had the same problem, but only once: gigabit connection, i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM

[@stevehornsby7727]

@@Fabian3269 I managed to play it with just 76 mb per second on my Vodafone broadband. It seemed ok until I walked around

[@DeltaDNova]

50% of the time it's a loading simulator, the other 50% it's a crashing simulator(in game) Edit: Huuuge misunderstanding, I meant crashing my planes! Except the loadings the games runs just fine, sorry😅

[@liberteysfinest]

It works on xbox

[@jonroberts1699]

@@liberteysfinest not on mine 🤔😭

[@XxKidnoffxX]

It's funny because he said there is no loading at all from the main menu... But we need to wait 5-10 minutes to get to the menu (if we don't crash) -.-

[@ztk3294]

I've played it multiple times today it's worked every time, I think that was just the first day

[@FOXofOJAI]

After the queue issue was resolved, I had no issues. No crashes last night during 3 hours of gameplay

[@napdogs]

I think I would have rathered a half a terabyte install size. At this point the streaming is just making the product not what was advertised and it puts a hard limit on the game's longevity as I'm sure they already can't wait to shut the servers down.

[@benni1015]

Giving people the choice would have been the best way I think, but I don't know how much complexity this would have added to the server infrastructure. My Internet is pretty bad and even if I dont have the space rn, i would have preffered to have the option to stream less.

[@apfelschorle1988]

They underestimated the appeal of Game Pass. They viewed it as a niche game, a flight simulator, without realizing the millions of players attracted by the stunning visuals showcased in the trailers. Players were eager to explore their own homes or famous landmarks. The servers will likely be adequate for the actual (and much lower) number of players in a few weeks. However, this situation is annoying and disappointing nonetheless, especially considering that Microsoft is currently the second-largest cloud computing provider in the world.

[@blaness13]

@@benni1015 set your cache size to 500 gigs,

[@tenpoundburrito]

With the size and detail of the game world, I don't think it would be half a terabyte. It uses Blackshark AI for the mapping, and if I remember correctly, Blackshark's simplified version of the world is several terabytes. My best guess is that the more detailed world of Flight Simulator would probably be at least ten terabytes.

[@xXxd3thl0rdxXx]

@@apfelschorle1988 Well, that's really it. This company should be capable of designing their service in a way that auto-scales their service to demand. It's frankly insane that owning the client, the server, and the hardware still doesn't add up to a quality service for Microsoft, but then you remember their reputation over the past 40 years.

[@rabellogp]

12:30 this is definitely a glitch... It doesn't make any sense for a hot air balloon to collapse like that in a few seconds unless you get a pretty large hole in the envelope for some reason.

[@pilotboy2612]

Why would they stream the planes as well??! They could have easily been download.

[@Ak-br7br]

Probably to reduce the file size of the game

[@leonardoconstantino1540]

2020 took 4 years of updates to look and play the way it does , I am not expecting anything less with this sim

[@derekcoaker6579]

Goes back long before FS2020. It is the Hobby. But, that's lost on plenty of people.

[@beardedlonewolf7695]

And 2 years ago it took 2 years to look and play the way it did. It's not 2004 anymore where a product is released half-assed like FSX was and no more updates were implemented, people have a selective memory when it comes to these things.

[@stephenmikell2057]

@@beardedlonewolf7695What was the state of Flight Sim X at launch? I wasn’t a flight simmer at that time.

[@Gerardvg]

2020 still needs more updates...

[@stevehornsby7727]

I landed at Grand Canyon Village in a hot air balloon. I walked around the village finding where I used to work and live. I was surprised to find those 2 buildings in game. I haven't been there in the last 24 years

[@Thakkii]

That is pretty cool , was not aware you could do that

[@stevehornsby7727]

@Thakkii You can leave the plane and walk around. I even took pictures of the places I referred to.

[@arranchace1306]

My hometown neightbourhood looked great from the sky, unlike in 2020 where it didn't looked like my neighbourhood at all, here i reconized each and every building, but when i fly very low over it, it looked like a huge mess, like detailed models werent loaded and just LOD models for larger distances loaded.. Walking around airports does really do look awesome, and most POI too, just random locations are terrible upclose, and somehow small villages seem to be mostly okey too. My guess as i seen this too with cars, that the final detailed LOD models takes ages too load or not at all, but when they do.. they look amazingly great for a flightsim.

[@zanzark1]

Big techs are looking like state agencies in their competence

[@cooltwittertag]

What state do you live in? Or are you just subscribed to popūlist rethoric?

[@PeterNGloor]

my great fear is also that the quality of the map base (Bing) is still not any better than before.

[@hustlinmagic]

Its funny, in 2020 I can fly around my area and I can pretty much tell where I am. In 2024 I may as well be flying around a completely different town. Its a surprisingly big drop off in terms of accuracy.

[@fluxahelmi]

It's a real download SIMULATOR. I'M happy with msfs2020 ...after 4 Years now stable..... I'm not a BETA tester

[@dustin0133]

The small planes feel very gamey to fly, while also being way too twitchy

[@kennetha6594]

Use legacy flight model instead. Modern and Legacy seem to have been switched around.

[@natedisrud]

Definitely twitchy lol

[@natedisrud]

​@kennetha6594 oh okay, will try!

[@niall2236]

I've still not managed a flight yet! (well 1 time, but I was a red guy holding an error sign flying through a minecraft lsd trip)

[@Still-Sitting]

Same I ruined all my binded controls trying to invert the y axis on camera mode. Just shut it off cause I was so frustrated. Every other game has an easy toggle “invert y-axis” switch

[@alexparr3066]

Three days in and I still haven't gotten past the character customization menu which bugs out, doesn't show me my character, and doesn't let me proceed further.

[@NickyNiclas]

This is in my view an early access alpha release. The marketplace is not yet implemented which means it's not feature complete. Many of the bugs are bad and CTDs are still a thing. Hope they figure things out quickly.

[@OlivioSarikas]

They should make a Flight Horizon Game. I don't like sims, but i would like to play these missions

[@DennisMX1]

✨ Wow, TWO commercial interruptions in the FIRST 5 MINUTES!!! I bailed after that.

[@RB-H]

I only just managed to get to past the Customisation screen, to then find some of the customisation options completely invisible. Once I then got it working and eventually got to the flight planning screen, it crashed several times. I think I'll go back to the sim in December or January.

[@Dudenesschocobo]

I couldn't pass installation dude.

[@RB-H]

It’s a mess right now

[@Dudenesschocobo]

@@RB-H wish i could say it's a mess but as i said i couldn't even start downloading process. Btw i couldn't download fs 2020 for the last 2 years. Deleted at some point 2.5 years ago. I could never install back. Not letting me lol.

[@RB-H]

@ That’s weird, on what platform?

[@Dudenesschocobo]

@@RB-H PC. Win 11 24H2.

[@Jamiefearon]

I can’t even get it to work. Sometimes it won’t load and on the rare occasion it does load there is a red man in the cabin with me with his thumbs up, seriously!

[@jekanyika]

I still cant get past the customise identity loading screen.

[@Secretgeek2012]

WTF? Have you actually followed that link? So many freaky thumbs!

[@TheLoneLlama]

Have you tried today? I have been able to play without issues since the evening of the 19th. I am having an absolute blast.

[@abhinav.robinson]

Try reinstalling

[@jekanyika]

@@abhinav.robinson I'll give that a go

[@Mandriick]

Could’ve just upgraded 2020. Obvious money grab. Especially when the premium pack is $200. They could’ve just made a paid expansion/ upgrade.

[@SuperExtremeTNT]

The ground does not look as advertised as per ususal

[@mattcrazy7070]

As advertised was ultra preset and really good internet. Looks far better to me than 2020

[@HolyLSD]

@@mattcrazy7070 agreed, and I haven't even dipped into the settings yet, I'm unsure if I could run the ultra on my mid spec pc.

[@knochey2296]

Depends on the current server status. If it works it looks as advertised

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

IDK about you but it looks just like the trailer for me. I can land anywhere and get out of the plane and it looks like I'm in a first-person AAA game. Very impressed.

[@daniellaszlo1930]

Probably more complicated than I'd think, but would be cool if there was the option to have a permanent beefy hard drive cache pre loaded for a planned flight path; have it be loading even over night

[@Mkdj21]

This is what the last gane did. Nothing complicated. Actually, it is the obvious fix

[@danilooliveira6580]

yeah, the game already saves files in a cache, you just need to give the player the option to pre-load and save the cache for specific regions.

[@natedisrud]

I st my shader cache to 100gb lol

[@chilli-soup]

For me at the moment its a game no different to Minecraft

[@dustin0133]

As a dcs player, msfs will always feel like a game compared to it

[@marks7502]

I would rather have training, than challenges

[@jakegoldsmith5922]

Still doesnt look like anything as fun as FSX missions

[@jamesmyers660]

Pretty simple. Anymore if you want a true flight sim, stick to X Plane. MS FS lost its way after 10.

[@onehappykamper]

It's a game now. I only want to fly. The rescue stuff is absolutely rubbish. I'm going to have a serious look at X.plane.. Again

[@matp8493]

Finally, floating cows in my sim!

[@AlfaRomeoFox]

Before missions, and games, and challenges... we just want to be able to use the sim.

[@hermansnoeckx]

Still has the same problem FSX had to, car traffic running in 2 directions where they should go in one direction, lots of car crashes

[@ChefFox]

I think MSFS 2024 is more of a Tech Demo to demonstrate the capability of Microsoft’s Cloud Gaming Services, than an actual Sim/Game. I’ve seen enough videos/streams/etc of the game, including career mode and it’s not impressive. “I can touch virtual grass and take pictures of it and all the majestic virtual animals”. How exciting to have this ability in a flight simulator? Don’t get me wrong, I’ll pick it up for sure, but probably in three years.

[@derekcoaker6579]

I read this same Argument when the last one Launched. "I haven't played it, but I've watched enough Videos" 😂 Cool story.

[@ChefFox]

@@derekcoaker6579 Yes, I have watched enough videos. Several of them showcased that the game is currently not in a very good state. Do you have a problem with people looking at information about a product before making a purchase?

[@GRAHAMAUS]

One immediate impression is that all the trees are exactly the same height. That isn't realistic, and could be probably be easily changed to add a lot more realism for free.

[@forsaken841]

The loading length isn’t an issue for me anymore. Couple minutes. Now just want them to polish a few things. Few menu options don’t work, like rolling cache location. Other planes in career mode doesn’t work. Few other glitches involving getting dinged for things it shouldn’t and not getting taught how to properly plan your route around prohibited airspace etc. overall tho it’s really good. Hope they polish it up and it will be amazing

[@Wild_Pennsylvania]

The rolling cache location works for me

[@soupondaroof1]

Yearby Airstrip! 5 minutes from my house in game. Love that! Never expected Guisborough to be in a KZbin video 😂

[@vomitkermit3446]

I love the. “This game is unfinished” comment. The servers are overloaded and cant stream the data fast enough. This is very simple logic. And this is the exact same way FS2020 works. Hell it might even use the same servers.

[@Design_no]

Your logic is flawed as the two products are not the same.

[@fcf8269]

Keep in mind that speedtest use a web interface, the same used by a browser; MSFS use its own socket connection so whatever you measure there has no value to compare it with what MSFS is actually getting. As far as being a sim or a game, this is the best thing they could do, as gamifying the product brings in more people. If you just want the sim part it is still there for you to enjoy; but it does make it more accessible to people scared about the complexity of a sim or that wants a purpose that is not just "go somewhere and make up your own story". What disappoints so far is the fact that the game is virtually the same; I see not much improvements in the photogrammetry and the maps are in facts even older than 2020; as I fly around my place and see images from few years ago, while 2020 show newer maps. Hope they fix that and that the game get upgraded, but so far it is working good

[@cmdrefstathiusplacidus9003]

^^^^ browser speed tests are pretty useless

[@squishy-tomato]

Of course it has value, the speedtest is usually close to the upper bound you can get with your connection, which tends to be the limiting factor. It's just that in this case the limiting factor are their servers, not the client connections. The fact it uses other sockets is irrelevant, all TCP connections use sockets.

[@EtheE]

It tells you that the issue is not with your computer's internet connection in general, but with that one game in particular. The fact it uses a browser is irrelevant (unless the browser itself is the bottleneck, which cannot be the case here), the browser is using the same internet connection as the rest of your computer, including MSFS.

[@robbyyant6213]

@@squishy-tomato There's also network prioritization and QOS. With typical speed test sites, your traffic is prioritized by your ISP so that your result is as high as possible. This is obviously in their best interest. It doesn't mean you'll get the same performance and bandwidth everywhere else.

[@metcas]

The speedtest simply proves he has the overall bandwidth. It proves that it isn't his connection. Unnecessarily technical explanation. No need to invoke "sockets."

[@centaurixon]

In real life you are not allowed to fly over the Schloss Neuschwanstein :D

[@ABPhoto182]

OB Ant can barely hold airspeed and altitude do you think this dude even knows what restricted airspace is?! 😆

[@centaurixon]

@ABPhoto182 was just a fun fact as i am a paraglider pilot and nearby there is a popular launch. But not even paraglider are allowed to fly close to that castle

[@MF-og1ct]

I just hope the flight dynamics are better. Msfs always feels like the aircraft is on rails. I usually just fly the A2A Comanche because that is the only one that feels real to me. Otherwise I use DCS world

[@derekcoaker6579]

I love the Comanche. Also dig DCS. Speaking of a game with Issues haha. Warbirds in DCS VR are my favorite Sim experience to date.

[@MF-og1ct]

@derekcoaker6579 absolutely. Much better dynamics than any sim I have tried. They really capture the ground handling difficulty and yaw better than any other sim.

[@MGL83]

Hopefully they go back on this online only thing. Or someone will figure out how to make a homemade server that buffers the maps and data.

[@plushiie_]

They need to give us the world, and mods will make the experience for those who want someting more

[@hyperion2502]

Already done. It's called microsoft flight simulator X. Out around 2010. Flight simulator 2020 is the best version of what you're asking for. You have 500giga (or more) for the world. A bit of streaming to polish, and tons of fantastic freeware and expencive but magnificent payware. Fs 2024 is a totally different beast. The world is almost totally streamed, so that you don't need petabytes of harddisk. Once Asobo will figure the network issue, and after the first wave of ppl leaving, It should be much better, visually and performance wise compared to fs 20. There will be tons of mods too. Lots of 2020 mods are compatible.

[@underleft]

All consumer flight sims are games. If you can play it at a desk with any peripheral hardware you want, it's a game. Actual sims aren't fun and look terrible. This all depends on how you're defining sim of course. Ask a forum dad and he'll tell you his PMDG with $2k flight controls is a study level simulation, it's not. They're just trying to pretend they aren't playing a game. I've been a pilot for 23 years and played pc flight games the whole time... These are games.

[@decofox6789]

FFSs are fun as hell if you don't have ready access to them. I've got a hell of a lot more time in real airplanes than in FFSs, and was VERY impressed with the 45 minutes I spent in a Level D, despite the looks of the thing. You better believe I'd be all over level D simulators if they were somehow readily available. I'm with you though in that I really don't follow the assigned virtue in "not a game" or "not having fun". Especially in the case of people who fly IRL for fun. If actual airplanes are allowed to be fun, why belabor the definition of "simulator"?

[@Kabivelrat]

I think its just a blurry line... every game is a simulator of something with some degree of realism and some degree of error, perhaps intentional to prioritize fun... simulators priorities realism but cant get everything realistic a 100 percent either, while they too can be alot of fun, so there is realism, lack of realism, and fun in both games and simulators.

[@hybridsimrig]

What’s do you fly mate? I totally agree with your “game” comment regarding Microsoft, however xplane deserves some credit. I’m an Airbus Captain and often load up xplane with the Tolis A320 whenever I’m curious about a particular failure. I did laugh with you though at your comment about how actual sims look terrible…couldn’t agree more 😂

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

@@hybridsimrig X-Plane's flight dynamics are less accurate than Flight Sim. If anything FS2024 is the most realistic simulation of flight that's ever been available to consumers.

[@hybridsimrig]

@ with all due respect no. Quite literally, nobody who does this for a living uses the Microsoft products.

[@Scimarad]

Much as getting out and wandering around appeals to me I'm not sure I want to trust this to my internet connection.

[@Wild_Pennsylvania]

I think the career mode makes it even be more sim by allowing you to use different aircraft to do different jobs they were built to do.

[@Design_no]

Using the cloud is not the answer. Much prefer download options.

[@NWA744]

2006: "FSX is a buggy mess and needs a super computer, it's not a real sim! I'm sticking with FS9!" 2010: "P3D is just a rehashed FSX and too expensive, in not getting, I'll stick with FSX!" 2020: "MSFS had a buggy launch and looks like a game designed for console players, it's not a real sim! I'm sticking with FSX/P3D!" 2024: "FS24 had a buggy launch and looks like a game rather than a real simulator like 2020! I'm sticking with MSFS!"

[@pilotboy2612]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@DeepFutureSim]

I got a refund . It was too frustrating. Don't think my 3080 was up to the task with 10fps

[@antrojoutsenlahti9141]

Wasnt ur GPU what cause problem. i have 3070 with 8gp and works fine. Prob it was only network issues at their end. Aaaand i recomend try it out in Xboxx game pass and then buy it if u like it.

[@hyperion2502]

Great, one more left. A few more days and i will install it. Lol. Honestly your 3080 is more than enough. Fs 24 just need the end of the first wave and some patches. I'm still waiting on fs20. I've all the time.

[@ChristopherFehrenbacher]

I'm running it on a 3080 at high settings and it is running pretty well. Give it some time. They'll get it all worked out

[@BrickUnit]

the game isnt working properly but HEY! Have you seeen the elephants and giraffes?!

[@whophd]

3:14 nice transparent bit of hill there … looks like a land bridge

[@cluelessgod97]

Yes, it's been a rocky start, but what they've done with the career has definitely prolonged the longevity of play. After solo flying, I found myself needing discord groups to warrant coming back, but now with the career mode, it's going to keep me coming back even more regardless of group flights.

[@Dimebonics04]

Fix Xbox Mouse Freelook, Let us store control bindings to hard drive , and we need the Flow wheel. Other than that, haven’t had many issues with crashing or bugs. The control bindings changing and disappearing have made me an expert with the new layout, but I like it. Just takes a while to get used too.

[@thanankongdoung394]

lmao at 3:49 . I like those floating cows , so immersive.

[@davidelsey660]

Fly DCS and a bit of MSFS2020 for civils but was waiting for MSFS 2024, now think I will check out some X plane KZbin videos as the flight model is very important to me. Hopefully the next few weeks will improve things but why not check out the competition in the mean time. Only have 67mb download, in theory should be OK but who knows based on things to date. Think I may reinstall Elite Dangerous in the meantime.

[@Combatant5]

Definitely going to be great bones to build on, and I think with some tuning it will be potentially the best sim for civilian aircraft on the market. The biggest complaint I have (besides the obvious) is how the game handles crosswinds. It's pretty iffy, and a 5 knot crosswind seriously impacts taxiing, which it shouldn't.

[@skippychurch2965]

I've purchased the game after watching everyone be unhappy how it initially went for a day, and am super impressed. Looks better but, at the same time, performace better too.

[@GulfCoastTim]

That is always the case with me. I make my own decisions and never let anyone ruin it for me. I don't care what people say, if I want a game I buy it and 9 out of 10 times I'm glad I did. Flight Simulator 24 is the best one of the series. I will be showing exactly why that is really soon. It's not just one thing, it is multiple things that make it the best. I played 2020 for over 2500 hours and already have several hours in 24. So I think I know what Flight Sim is about. I been playing since Windows 95.

[@Stand4Israel]

@@GulfCoastTimI like the sim as well. I am impressed with it. I’m sure there some bugs and unfinished stuff. I am fine with it. I’m sure they will rework everything that’s not working properly. And there is no game that has been launched without errors this is nothing new. Tired of people never happy with anything!

[@GulfCoastTim]

@Stand4Israel Exactly. I am going to be posting a series of videos showing why I believe Flight Simulator 2024 is already the best in the series.

[@doyoulift38]

@@GulfCoastTim So you'd say upgrading is worth it? I somewhere read that you now get all charts etc. included in 2024 which would indeed by very nice.

[@ABPhoto182]

Skippy works for Asobo. Nobody is saying what you just said. Stop lying to people.

[@JayC-xv9lh]

Yeah whatever, see y'all in a few updates

[@antonioiozzi291]

MSFS don't transorm a simmer in a real pilot, but as a real life (67 and retired) glider pilot I appreciate the sim for exploring the world. Graphically stunning and useful to learn using complex instruments like a G1000 etc etc. Of course, the skill you need for call yourself a real pilot are others. The complexity of real flying, all inclusive, is impossible to reach even in the better sim. I have been responsable for many years of the young cadets of my gliding flying club. We had many teenagers starting flying at age of fourteen and several had sim experience but, the best were ..... those making much sport (Skiing is very recommended), not those coming from a sim and flying from a chair.

[@CountDadLord]

Give that the last FS was pretty good, albeit marred by bugs, it's absolutely baffling to me that MS's strategy for FS24 was to add a ton of functionality that adds nothing to simulating flight, while releasing a product that has even more bugs. If they'd completely binned the open world elements and camera stuff, and given players a well-playtested game with a few extra starting planes, everyone would have been delighted, and development would have cost a fraction of what it did.

[@Tolya1234]

I think gameification of the Flight Simulator isn't a bad thing - but only IF (and it's a really big IF) it retains it's simulation values. I want hardcore aerodynamics, real life IFR, ATC, procedures etc. And I want to have scenarios that provide an immersive environment to experience all that. Some DCS campaigns do exactly that. Also, the release sucks and I don't envy anyone who spent real money on that. Which only goes to show that we should vote with our wallet and just hold off on buying new stuff until it is proven to work.

[@MrJasonMcintyre]

Managed to squeeze in a quick flight before it started glitching again and was very impressed with the graphics. It looks incredible. Hopefully I can actually play it properly soon.

[@theoldar]

I'm enjoying it, and looking forward to improvements. I'm not getting the low texture problem some people are reporting. Don't forget the Free Flight mode puts you right back in the FS world we always had. You don't have to use the gamier parts of the program. I won't really judge it for at least a month. Nothing today launches in a completely perfect state.

[@inyobase127]

Imagine handing over 60-200 bucks amd saying "thanks for this broken product, I'm looking forward to it working later this year" its why they never improve or do better.

[@elliottb8704]

My guy you should judge it as it is now. Yes not everything is perfect right off the bat, but Microsoft chose to release a broken product and therefore it is acceptable to give it the criticism that it deserves. If Microsoft didn’t want this sort of feedback, then they shouldn’t have given us an unfinished program for money. Stop defending a multi-billion dollar company.

[@derekcoaker6579]

​@@inyobase127it improves perpetually.

[@cooltwittertag]

​@@inyobase127i havent had any loading issues, crashing issues, i havent even seen a queue. Maybe you are the problem? Have you ever thought about adressing your own mistakes instead of lashing out at others?

[@peetjvv]

The low texture issue would be if you're flying into areas not already cached before FS has a chance to cache them. Will be a balance between how fast you're flying, your internet speed and how quickly the server can serve the textures. Pretty sure if you fly in the same area again (and your rolling cache hasn't overwritten it) then the textures will be fine.

[@eQui253]

1:55 uhm no.. maybe a first person shooter from 2010 , but it's still pretty cool that u are able to do that.

[@andrewtucker7437]

Whilst it is indeed impressive, I want a flight simulator, "not a walking simulator". At 70 knots on short finals, I don't have time to view flora and fauna. I'm pretty sure that in the near future somebody will release tree and foliage packs that look as good as the new sim. I've tweaked everything in 2020 to look close to realism. I'm not willing to spend months and months again tweaking things forever. Just hoping that Asobo don't switch off support for 2020, so that people are forced to purchase 2024.

[@deltak5457]

Is it a game? Is it a sim? I made myself an answer: Whenever flight training software is used for entertainment purpose (so without logging actual training hours) it's considered a "game which simulates flight" in this moment by me. This applies to DCS as well as MSFS as well as X-Plane, as well as a Level D simulator. Especially whenever such software is running on consumer hardware not specifically licensed for flight training this applies (it's even differentiated by Laminar Research on the information about their "X-Plane Professional" version). However, from using MSFS24 for some hours now I'm impressed by the actual changes, especially on performance (when servers don't cause stutters) but also on the general flight dynamics - they moved again a step closer to what we know from XP (talking about the core flight model design, not about how aircraft designers use it on their aircraft).

[@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473]

Calm down everyone. They'll fix things over time, and iron out issues. 2020 didn't launch too well either and here you all are saying that was better. I absolutely love career mode and I am enjoying the game sim on series x.

[@Spiritwonder420]

Can we stop normalizing games being broken on launch the game should be fixed on release it's called release for a reason even the store is not in yet it's a joke

[@Bobinarea52]

2020 was working at launch it had glitches and some issues but it was never this bad. So no i refunded the sim and gave it a bad review.

[@Elwaves2925]

That will likely be true but it's also missing the point. You wouldn't accept this with any other non-game purchase, so why would you for this. People don't need to calm down, they have every reason to complain.. It's your type of thinking that has led to game studios continuing to release unfinished, broken games. Having said that, once you're eventually in it's been great, very smooth even over photogrammetry cities and visually it's a big improvement IMO. There are a decent amount of bugs in the menus and settings but once flying I'm loving it.

[@rehakmate]

@@Spiritwonder420 Yeah, and its fuckin Microsoft, what is up with the world when the biggest tech company cant put a game out well?

[@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473]

@Elwaves2925 show me your petabytes of storage to run it instead of streaming it and I'll agree

[@Peter_Morris]

Oh man I like that it simulates traveling back in time to an N64! But seriously I don’t see too many issues for a game that just launched, at least from this video. I want to try it out!

[@OldManGaming69]

I've only managed to successfully get to the flying phase once and attempted it 30+ times. Most of the time it hangs when selecting an airfield and hitting fly now. I don't think I've ever been so frustrated with a game/sim in my 45 years of being a gamer, sim enthusiast.

[@alexsp7086]

Saddest dumbest thing is going on the forums on Steam and people are defending this practice. They get upset at people stating a fact that if we don’t stand up to unfinished rubbish we will keep getting unfinished rubbish. No it should not be a norm that stuff is not finished or tested properly. Grow a pair and stand up to this no matter how excited you get from hype.

[@Dankosaurous]

Campaign credit system needs reworked. The “commission” charge for missions are making it take forever to get certifications I actually want. 30k for jet licensing when I get 500 credits for one mission is WIIIIIILD

[@colinfitzgerald4332]

I am a VFR pilot of single engine land aircraft. I recently started to use FS2020 for night flight and bad weather flying. The simulator works very well for learning instrument scanning and IFR navigation. I’m using the Honeycomb suite to fly the Piper Arrow ll in the sim and the flying the same aircraft in real life. I expect MSFS2024 will be even better once I have it loaded. The landing phase of flight is where the simulator lacks true flight characteristics but that is only a minor issue for me. By the way, it took some tweaking of the control sensitivity settings to get it close and the addition of the Tobii eye and head tracker made a huge difference in VFR flight.

[@armatian]

They added lots of content, but i dont see the core improved. FS2020 just needed proper multicore, modern cameras (same cameras from FS 3.0!) Even good planes dont feel like flying, when you see planes you can hear and see the atmosphere fighting back, on sims it is clean, neutered, muted. Nothing has changed.

[@CSYT-ku1xj]

I would prefer "wasting 500GB on my local SSD rather than depending on the unreliable internet connection and streaming quality. Microsoft should quickly rework their idea at least letting users to pre-download certain areas where they plan to fly based on their allocated local storage size. Shouldn't be a rocket science.

[@Thakkii]

As someone that never played any flight sim ( besides war thunder but dont think that is a sim too 😂) i can say this game got me hooked doing the Career Mode that made me go buy a Hotas controller 😂 , and man i been missing out , Next goal is to make a proper desk for flight sim or make a support for my controllers because doing the jet challenge i noticed the stick flying too 😀 well sometimes , i will figured out , even tape it if necessary for the time being.

[@tranceightseven]

Can I buy and play 2020 presently?

[@joshuapurdy7065]

Yes 2020 will always be around, 2024 didn’t replace it

[@LiveseyMD]

11:55 flames are also streamed from the server 😂

[@existentialselkath1264]

Unacceptable server issues asside, if this is the worst the game looks on actually awful wifi when things are actually working, I think that's pretty acceptable. Sure, if you've only got like 5-10mbps Internet it'd be good if the game could look better, but it seems more than playable while still achieving a level of detail on better internet that would have been unachievable without this tech.

[@Design_no]

What you on about? His connection was over 200.

[@existentialselkath1264]

@Design_no right, but the servers are having a ton of issues so the actual data being transferred to his PC is minimal. Hence the low res textures. Should have been clearer. And to clarify further, these server issues are unacceptable. There's also no guarantee those low res textures are actually as bad as a poor connection gets. Hence the if. Pointless speculation I guess

[@omgitsbees]

Now that the servers have stabilized, MSFS2024 is way smoother and I am enjoying it.

[@jpht1964]

After the obvious ranting all went different when i was starting my first real flight. The flightmodel is incredibly smooth and for the first time really Immersive. MSFS 2020 doesn't had this.

[@Elwaves2925]

It's a game and a sim, as sim is just a sub-genre of the games category. Inside the game itself, how much of a sim it is obviously depends on the settings you pick. Personally, I tend to go for a more chilled, flying around exploring but whatever suits what you want. As of this morning, UK servers are still poor for me but getting better. Using US ones gives a much better/smoother experience. When I am flying though, I'm loving it. It's smooth, a lot better visually, especially the lighting. Menus and settings are buggy but nothing game breaking for me so far.

[@EmeryE2]

Exactly, people call it a game and not a simulator, and they say Xplane isn’t a game, damn people, it’s basic knowledge 😭

[@reigaterobot4965]

Your ping time (Latency) seems to be the problem rather than the download speed (Bandwidth) imho. (Despite the onscreen messages suggesting otherwise)

[@Just_lift_anyone]

Love it when you spawn on anywhere other than a runway and it becomes an armrest simulator.

[@GenXpatPaul]

Decision made, I’ll hold fire on MS2024 for a year to let it settle down and mature, whilst putting effort into a hardware upgrade for MS2020 after the RTX5xxxx launch in the Spring. The cheapest ‘fully loaded’ PC with an RTX 4080S where I currently live (Asia Pacific) is USD 3,800 because of the 4090 tech export ban by Uncle Sam. That’s over USD 1,300 more than Best Buy in the States…yet the chuffing machines are physically built an hour away from my house.

[@notmedude]

Ain't that bad for a gamepass game. Stalker has no right to run worse, but still does. Game preservation is basically impossible for MFSF 24 but other than that the game will be amazing in a few months.

[@TheLoneWolf00]

Bro, textures are loading very fast on my pc, make sure you increase the cache, 16GB is not enough , also servers are sometimes slower at peak hours , how much ram do u have ? whats your CPU and GPU?

[@bujin1977]

Managed to get in for a short while last night and gave it a quick test in Snowdonia. Frame rates were pretty good, and VR performance was better for me than it is in 2020 - I didn't get anywhere near as many stutters. Hope that continues when I manage to get in again!

[@HolyLSD]

Same here bujin, Runs like a dream! Compared to 2020 where when I come to do my landing and half the time the game freezes and when I come to I have crashed into the ground instead of gently land on it. None of that in 2024 for me so far, it's kind of amazing to me, the graphics and everything got better and the game runs better for it XD

[@OutOfRangeDE]

This evening everything was running fine for me (3 hours ago til now). Yesterday and on launch day i couldnt fly once.

[@mrgravyman]

Yearby airstrip! I flew from there today as it's just down the road from me 🔥

[@saucegankus]

i think it’s just as much of a game as msfs2020 is, the more sim like experience for 2020 came w the better planes, which i think will come w 2024 soon. however i don’t think those will be available for career mode (as of right now only default planes r available on career)

[@omsi-fanmark]

1:40 Microsoft Azure Cloud for FS24 can't keep up with the demand, they tested for up to 200.000 players and now that there are more trying FS24, it diesn't work properly. Unless you are playing while everyone else is sleeping. Of course this is a desaster for the second-.largest public cloud operator in the world.

[@tzeffsmainchannel]

Photo moment! 12:40 🤣

[@deelowe3]

Your latency is over 150ms!!! Thats insane. While your bandwidth is fine, im sure that high of latency is a problem

[@MadcapActivityDomain]

150ms is perfectly fine for a flight sim. He said he was using a vpn to connect to NA servers which accounts for the less than optimal latency.

[@Javaslinger7730]

Is there something like Bush Trips still here? I can't believe they're gone.

[@climbto370]

They could have really put out a DLC for 2020 and make it 2024

[@JSRJS]

Thats not the corperate way.....they want your $$

[@checksandbalences]

right?

[@stephenbull2026]

They are 2 separate games. 2020 was built on top of FSX, whilst 2024 was built from the ground up. It hasn't even been 3 days. Some of us are in it for the long haul.

[@McChopper2000]

@@stephenbull2026 build from the ground up and performance on main thread is worse then in 2020??? niceee

[@Threefiddyz]

Works fine for me 2 days after release except lights on the honeycomb bravo 🤷

[@freddibna4976]

how far can you walk around? can you go to cities? up mountains?

[@CamZuluGaming]

Give it two years and down to 1000 active users until they decide to make sensible changes. For now, xplane 12 looks appealing.