Star Atlas - The "Epic" Space Game That Sells Wishes and Dreams?

Star Atlas is perhaps one of the more visible blockchain projects. The plan for the game, built in Unreal Engine 5, is an ambitious space MMO on a scale to rival Star Citizen. Here, players will be able to own ships, walk around them and travel to the far reaches of space. At it’s core, it is claimed to be a grand strategy game with trade, politics and a functioning economy.
NFTs and Blockchains. The next big step in the games industry, and it’s a change that a lot of people aren’t too happy about. That said, there’s also the possibility - although at this point I think it’s a remote possibility that NFTs are just a fad.
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[@davidludwig7501]

I could listen to you narrate anything. Such a cool voice. Very relaxing. Great content as always. Space is so cool. Love me some space games. Don't buy NFTs people. Predatory practice I feel. Not good for gaming.

[@grayfox1975]

that´s I followed him like years ago. he´s fantastic!

[@victorvega6211]

@@grayfox1975 0

[@irish7460]

Thats such a wierd thing lol. You like his voice wtf?

[@davidludwig7501]

@@irish7460 it's relaxing. Why is it weird? Nothing weird about it. Just like the way he narrates stuff. Get a grip man.

[@tonyd3518]

@@irish7460 I get it, almost as relaxing as a meditation coach. Hey, @ObsidianAnt, you should try your hand at some meditation tracks to space music. Maybe you can make an NFT out of it!

[@mc-sp8zr]

Exchanging over $2mil for virtual land just screams "money laundering" to me

[@Elwaves2925]

The very first time I heard about NFT's, it was immediately followed by folks stating it was money laundering.

[@Alecxace]

market manipulation too. A bunch of guys buying shit from one another to inflate the market.

[@BoleDaPole]

Oh, so like how diamonds are traded?

[@merefield2585]

@@BoleDaPole yes very like diamonds. Caveat emptor.

[@Brimshae]

Exactly. It's the new version of paying tens of thousands of dollars on eBay for supposed "sauce packets" fast food restaurants.

[@rainbowpanda7042]

I miss back when games were all about having fun

[@MonteKristof]

BUT YOU COULDN'T SET UP HUNDREDS OF BOTS TO MINE CRYPTO (and ruin gameplay four thousands) - NFT and Crypto drones... probably

[@JahonCross]

Its about the money!

[@emperorareh2297]

I'd rather earn while playing fun game

[@MonteKristof]

@@emperorareh2297 it's ok, a very valid choice. I'd rather start right off the bat with my perfect ship and create my own story from there.

[@Leptospirosi]

That ended in the nineties, may be very early 2000..

[@budthecyborg4575]

When Gabe Newell and Phil Spencer (arguably the two most powerful people in Gaming today) thoroughly avoid NFT's you know there is something wrong with the companies that are pursuing it.

[@losource]

Both men are representatives of the heavily centralised traditional games industry. To hear someone from Microsoft talk about exploitative activity is a bit like getting a lesson in vegetarianism from Ronald McDonald.

[@Elwaves2925]

@@losource That's pretty much the point the OP is making.

[@losource]

@@Elwaves2925 No it's not.

[@budthecyborg4575]

@@losource If there was money to be had you would expect Microsoft of all companies to be pursuing it. Even if "Phil Spencer" doesn't like it as soon as someone somewhere in the company can pitch a good business angle the corporation would pick it up. If we don't see Microsoft doing NFT's any time soon that would be a very good sign for company culture over there.

[@steel5897]

Gabe Newell avoids it because he doesn't want competition with his Steam market, where Valve keeps the money inside their ecosystem and wins on every transaction with predatory fees.

[@captainpineapple7572]

This is my assessement of the situation as a industry veteran: their entire financial success is dependent on the concept phase of the game, not the launch. They have most likely already made tens of millions of dollars and as long as they can keep up the investment hype pre-gameplay reveal they will keep making millions. Gamers hate NFT's, NFT traders hate games, and these kind of space games are somewhat niche, most of them don't have a big player base but a loyal player base. They will keep this game in the concept phase for as long as possible until the NFT pre sales dry up and then they will have to make a choice: deem this project as a failure for 'reasons' and run away with the money, or invest in actually making the game, which can only be a disappointment to both the few potential people with actually player interest and thus the NFT trader class. The investors will have already made their money due to the NFT presales and do not really have a stake anymore in making this game successful and most likely do not want to spend $100+ million on something that they know will not really work. Allegedly none of the creators have any experience with these kind of games (or the game industry in general) at all. Also, due to the nature of NFT's the company itself will most likely not be liable for anything at all if they decide to abandon the project. Disclaimer: all of this is my opinion and not a statement of facts

[@christophernoneya4635]

True enough, they already made their money off of you. Chances are the amount it costs to make the game is larger than what they ever stand to make off it in the future so how would they profit? Do they expect to just keep dumping NFTs into the market dilluting it and driving down the prices so they can squeeze enough to profit? It seems much more rational that they would just release the bare legal minimum (possibly a beta), mark the project as a failure, then leave with the profit. Concepts like these rely on so damn many factors. To profit the NFT "investors" need to buy an NFT for a lower price than someone else will buy it (presumably a gamer), for that to happen you need the game to be good enough people will play it, gamers invested enough they dont mind dumping thousands on it (you need more gamers willing to spend more money than NFT "investors"), you need the company to dedicate their finances to making *you* money at their own expense, and on top of that you need the game to be good plus blockchain transaction fees low. What reasonable game company would decide to base games entirely around micro (or i guess macro) transactions like these, either NFTs are incredibly useful and therefore popular but drive players away or incredibly useless at which point price drops to the gas fee pretty quick... all of this when you could just make a server that keeps track of items like companies have been doing since mmos were created. NFTs in the gaming space solve a problem that didnt exist. As much as some may argue, your NFT only exists within that game because no one else is going to make another game just to save your investment which makes it just an objectively worse way to do what games have already done. It costs all parties more money (due to chain fees), requires complex and vulnerable network infrastructure with no failsafes, and can still just be taken away from you like any other game item. So the real question is why bother outside of taking advantage of crypto bros?

[@thecryptotengu]

Nft trader and i like games. I just want to be able to pass on my items and character to another person when they enter the game at a higher level decked out if thier willing to pay for it. Time = energy and cost. How many people have played wow, maple,LOL,DOTa then later wanted to sell thier items and character. When in the terms selling a character is a tos violation where they can delete everything with a ban. I find that stupid let the next player pick up where the old one left off. Just my opinion. I think it will be cool to have regular games and playtoearn games.

[@christophernoneya4635]

You dont need NFTs to achieve this. All it takes is a company changing their policy on selling items. There are 0 downsides for just changing their policy as opposed to NFTs. You avoid a third party market and their fees, and gas fees, and transactions are reversible in the case your account should be hacked as has happened in some of the games youve mentioned specifically. When it comes to security NFTs are less secure as theres additional high value points of failure (the market, their payment processor, and every microservice they use) and there is no party who can ever help you if a service is hacked. Its just implementing a new technology where its not needed to appeal to people like yourself when it offers you literally 0 additional benefit

[@atlas5525]

True, can't exist a good game without a good concept. When the concept is the money, there is no game, it's just money.

[@j00f]

Their concept is great. What remains to be seen, is whether it was too grand. Fortunately the community is active, despite bad market conditions. 12,591 new people have entered the the Star Atlas universe in the past 3 months. They also just released a gameplay demo on EpicGames. When the market starts heading upwards again, I believe ATLAS and POLIS will see big gains.

[@findle70]

There's nothing about any of these NFT 'games' that couldn't already be done with normal relational db tech that already exists. And I'm not buying virtual anything just because it's guaranteed to be 'unique'.

[@Koozomec]

Most pebbles or seashells are "unique" in shape etc. They have been used as currency in the past but they have no value and can't be standardized unlike money.

[@neth77]

@@Koozomec Another interesting thought, every deck of cards ever shuffled has never been the same, yes there's that many combinations i think Veritasium did a video on it.

[@beardedlonewolf7695]

@@ronidude If they perform the same goal then why NFTs?

[@BoleDaPole]

It's a good way to fund the game. Don't participate if you don't like it.

[@BoleDaPole]

Bc NFTs are easy way to make quick cash? Why NOT Nft?

[@Mr.Pumpkky]

NFT "Games" aren't games. That's like if Rockstar made everything in GTA Online only available through real world money. There's no longer a way to earn a cool car, you'd have to buy it. And if the main form of currency in a game is crypto that you can earn, it would be a non-stop grind that would not be fun and would probably not even make a profit because the people who are making these "games" are only seeing dollar signs, not actually valuable experiences that can be cherished. I'd imagine that 9/10 of these games are just scams, and the other 10% are just shitty roblox-like games that were made for a quick and morally compromised buck.

[@BoleDaPole]

That's already how it is.. Either waste time grinding that you could've spent working or Spend money for GTA DOLLARS that you earned working..

[@Mr.Pumpkky]

@@BoleDaPole Yeah, I guess NFTs and Crypto won't make it much worse than it already is then will it?

[@jacobite1017]

@@BoleDaPole ...or don't hand over your money.

[@chrizzaborowski2631]

@@Mr.Pumpkky which would be useless once/if GTA VI releases

[@Mr.Pumpkky]

@@jacobite1017 don’t hand over your money and instead grind for 10+ hours to get an oppressor? At least the cayo perico made everything at least achievable after doing the same thing over and over again…

[@blazemonger1]

I'm sorry, but this game screams scam and money grab .. Also, an MMO in UE with this claimed level of GFX is simply not going to work..

[@Maverekt]

Have you seen UE5 recently? Not saying this one will work, but it’s actually insane

[@CaptainSilvan]

@@Maverekt but UE doesn't run on a 64 bit coordinate system. So it can't handle anything bigger than a small country without being fundamantally rewritten

[@blazemonger1]

@@Maverekt UE5 is great but all the good stuff we've seen from it is demos built in the engine, not actual gameplay.. And if you see the in-engine demo AoC released and then look at the "gameplay" demo seen here, the difference is quite massive.. We'll have to wait and see though as it's early days for the conversion..

[@merefield2585]

@@CaptainSilvan they are working on it. I just tried to link the specific confirmation by Unreal staff in their forum but KZbin spambot deleted my post.

[@CaptainSilvan]

@@merefield2585 oh thats exciting

[@RaulAlexandreMatos]

For me its a scam. The last video is a joke, in game cinematic as gameplay.

[@helbrassen4576]

Lol, NFTs are the stupidest thing unless you're the one making/selling them.

[@helbrassen4576]

@Forest brothers I don't even know what you're asking me.

[@Koozomec]

@@helbrassen4576 It's a bot or an "investor"

[@helbrassen4576]

lol, either way they're fucked.

[@JezebelIsHongry]

I will try not to snark. How much money do you make? Be honest. How much do you have saved? $190 isn’t a lot to me. But when I saw Bored Apes on Twitter I laughed. That is so stupid I thought. Who would waste $190 on a Jpeg of an ape? I could buy Solana for $25 a pop. That’s a smarter play. So I still looked into what it was. Oh, it’s like Pokémon. Everyone mints blindly for $190 of ETH. So the person who gets the top rank pays the same as the person who got rank 10,000. I get it…it’s like 10,000 Pokémon cards but you buy one without knowing if you get a rare or a common. But $190 for this crap? Waste. I want you to just open your mind and allow yourself to imagine the many people who minted for $190 and even the person with a common sold it for $300,000. $190 ….cap gains tax of 90k with a $210,000 profit. For the cheapest ape. This is why I put away my skepticism and minted a Cronos chimp. The amount of Cro was under $40 for me. It was hard to calculate because When you use the crypto dot com credit card you get 2% back in Cro if you have the Ruby card. Most of the Cro I bought cost me .09. It still was hard. Cro had risen ro .80 and Most of my Cro is staked in the Defi app earning 13% . But I jumped in. And my chimp had a rank below 200. I sold it for 25,000 Cro. Cro dumped down to .52 when I sold. But I still sometimes sit down and look at that sale. $12,000 for a Jpeg chimp. I now have the Icy metal card. This NFT got me to that level. But this is common. Why Because of people like you. I guess you understand more about making money then Jimmie Fallon, or Post Malone or Eminem. More then the CFO of Visa or Budweiser They knew the person they bought their NFT from minted it for $200 bucks or even less with the crypto punks sell. Keeping a narrow mind will keep making you think that earning $150k a year is a ton of money. The fact that you even know about NFTs in 2022 is the point. Why did I buy 4 Pearce X5s and 7 Pearce X6s? It’s a bet. Maybe I lose. Who knows. But take a look at the revenue of Facebook. Think of their board and shareholders. If all of this is a scam then why the name change? Why is Ubisoft pushing through despite the backlash?? Why would Meta plan on spending billions to help develop the Metaverse? They are making a bet. You can continue to put your nose up, continue to let your bank offer .07%. Continue to call all of this a scam. But 5 years later don’t ever say that you weren’t right on the threshold able to even make a small bet on what could be a trillion dollar industry.

[@jacobite1017]

@@JezebelIsHongry So, have you paced any bets on cocaine - it's a trillion dollar industry you know.

[@kanascastle4097]

Star Atlas on scale to rival Star Citizen? There's nothing in the Star Atlas trailer that looks even close to demonstrating any practical expertise in developing an MMO. An MMO is a MASSIVE undertaking. A team of 50 people can't make and maintain an MMO. You need a team of over a hundred people to maintain an MMO game service. After checking the Star Atlas website and the backgrounds of the Dev Team, all I saw was expertise in cinematics, concept art production, marketing, and blockchain. No 3D modelers, character artists, Game System Engineers, Cloud Engineers, Sound Engineers, Music Producers, Technical Directors, Lighting Artists... basic roles you need to actually put content and features in a video game. And the only "game" available now, is the game of buying "jpeg spaceships" on their website that have a unique serial number. Star Atlas is still very much in its infancy with big ideas, but they just set up shop to gage interest in a new funding model and are playing a "wait and see" strategy to see how much funding they can get before putting together a real development team. So there probably aren't any production pipelines, no actual game design documents, no established processes for content creation...yet. For those who are interested in Star Atlas because of the trailer...tread very very carefully. Because the only game here is the game to see how much money that can jump out of your wallet into Star Atlas to fund an idea that doesn't have much of a foundation right now.

[@TheRJRabbit23]

A lot of “ marketing” being done by Star Atlas without any real development because that involves hiring staff and a game studio to make “said” game

[@danielvilliers612]

Looks exactly like star Citizen business model. 10 years development and like 400 millions later and still an early beta. Sorry it is still in alpha.

[@danielvilliers612]

@@seveneternal7988 That their is 5x more alpha not even Beta testers. 10 years and still in early alpha. Same working principal as a sect, with a guru in the middle promising his disciples that they will get something no one else will get. And as the going goes tough, he promises more and more and his disciples become more and more radicalized.

[@anewagenow2981]

@@danielvilliers612 they promised me like 5 SRV variants 10 years ago. Where are them? Where is rexxla? Please, ED is a massive scam made uppon lies, at least SC prettends to develop the game they promised

[@therevolution5289]

@@danielvilliers612 surprising that people like this troller exists

[@byron_00]

NFTs don't belong in games. We already have real-life with the poor and rich. Let's not copy that concept to the virtual world.

[@merefield2585]

Some of the sale values of NFTs are related to tax avoidance. People are apparently trying to avoid tax by buying an NFT at a very high value, selling it to their “ghost” wallet and claiming to the tax man they sold it to a third party at a loss, thereby reducing their tax exposure whilst actually still retaining control over the asset. So we shouldn’t believe the real value of these assets are reflected in these publicised, headline-grabbing numbers.

[@eldraque4556]

sounds true

[@kendokaaa]

In some cases I've seen speculation that it might also be to inflate the price of said NFT but either way there's a bunch of documented cases of this happening so very true

[@mimicxt]

Inflation avoidance*.

[@meowmeow2759]

False... all thr money is tracable. Where does the money to buy the nft come from? Their bank, KYC, or their main wallet. They can try and tornado it and hide it but governments already have stuff to track all this sincd its all on the blockchain.

[@BoleDaPole]

Lol OK dude.. the rich don't stay rich by paying taxes Lmfao

[@wrx20l25]

Behold, the next step in long evolution of the Star Citizen business model!

[@TheMaw365]

Except you can actually fly most of those ships and just buy them in game without real money. Still an unacceptably buggy p.o.s though. Which is exactly what you get and deserve from any game you pay for before it's even made. Still, at least Star Citizen is actually being made, even if it's slow as all hell.

[@manonmars82]

Would never be accepted from the community😉

[@Culky]

@@manonmars82 Bullshit. If Roberts announced some NFT ship nonsense then the "community" wouldn't be able to buy it fast enough.

[@L0stEngineer]

They ~could~ do it, IF its the players who are crafting the NFT out of their ships and their histories. For example, I would happily gift a dear friend my customized and unique Cutlass Black that I had many adventures in, or I would shill out hundreds for the one smuggler ship that made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs.

[@HalNordmann]

I believe SC is a genuine, if only too perfectionist, project.

[@TheMaw365]

Money laundering and bag holding. Words you don't want to hear connected to anything you have to pay for. It's actually worst than microtransactions, and those have already absolutely destroyed most of the fun in games.

[@philiphudgens4726]

Check out how many major banks - maybe one of which holds your money - have been fined millions for aiding money-laundering...crypto pales into insignificance in comparison. Stop believing everything you read from people with cynical vested interests - dyor!

[@alex_pro_fpv]

@@philiphudgens4726 So you're suggesting we put up with money laundering in the NFT because around the corner the bank is also breaking the law?

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

@@alex_pro_fpv He's just saying we should keep it all in perspective. NFT's are a fucking worthless trashfire, but most crypto's are actually way more traceable than cash. With bitcoin (and basically all others) you can track every wallet it has ever touched. And the exchanges require KYC (know your client) just like banks, so those wallets can't cash out without revealing their identity. Of course it's still "possible" to get around some of that stuff, just like cash, but it's not easy by any means. In other words, don't make the mistake of assuming everything that's true about NFT's is also true about crypto in general. Most people that are "against crypto" these days don't know anything about it, other than a few widely circulated misconceptions.

[@pilks4k]

NFT and blockchain.... Pass... We have had player tradable markets outside of games for decades no need for an environmentally damaging blockchain and crypto currencies. My main issue with NFT's is its just taking something that already exists and makes it worse by adding more hoops you have to jump through and tying it to crypto.

[@lio8517]

not every crypto currency is environmentally damaging, bitcoin somewhat is because of the power mining costs.

[@BoleDaPole]

It doesn't hurt the environment. This is a zero emissions blockchain

[@sugipulaboule]

@@BoleDaPole When someone so vehemently defends NFTs, an actual plague, by replying to every comment in a youtube video, the only creature I can imagine behind the keyboard is a slimy snake.

[@JohnSmith-tg5li]

@@BoleDaPole Actually block chain requires to be constantly powered otherwise the system will fail, due to how blocks are created and stored. It also is a distributed system, so even if part of it is zero emissions, by the very nature of it being distributed, it still contributes to emissions. It is also a system with incredibly poor scalability, which will increase power consumption as the system utilisation inceases. Which increases emissions. And if you're referring to the systems based of storage capacity, that requires power and the production of storage systems. So y'know, ain't the greenest thing on the planet. Blockchain is a good system for a very specific use case. Logging critical systems. How it's used now, is not a good use.

[@jacobite1017]

@@BoleDaPole They are none the less trying to sell fresh air - that makes it a massive con.

[@jurgenv466]

I like it! Star Atlas is a pioneer in GameFi. I’m currently earning 55$/day worth of ATLAS through staking of NFT’s ships. And I can just convert this to USD if I wanted. The game itself in unreal engine will probably take several years to develop. But the team is very transparant and mentioned the want to get the economics right first and then look to gameplay.

[@scifrygaming]

Soon we will start seeing videos titles "How I got scammed out of my NFT" and "How I lost my NFT to a game bug". This is such a bad idea for the player.

[@du1987de]

Developers are very keen to push the "in engine" trailer these days, knowing full well that many will not understand the difference between that and "in-game" footage. This is especially potent with the advancement of game engines to create cinematic quality graphics "in engine", that are in no way representative of what the final product will look like.

[@MonteKristof]

I mean... In-Engine and In-Game are clearly different and understandable for everyone but the least informed. Even the terms aren't even close.

[@Yggdrasil777]

While very true, the video footage could quite possibly be from in-game as well now that UE5 has allowed such quality to exist on even medium-level technology of today. I'm not saying what the source of the footage is, just that a lot has changed in the gaming world over the last year, since the gaming companies have had access to Unreal Engine 5's tools.

[@du1987de]

@@Yggdrasil777 That's kind of my point, the in-engine stuff looks like it could well be in-game. But when it is labelled as "in engine" rather than "in game" you know what you are watching is a pre-rendered scene, that isn't playable and probably includes more hand placed and tweaked eye-candy that isn't going to be represented consistently throughout the final product. Now I'm not saying that marketing for a game should not make it look good, but we as consumers should demand more from how it is framed and what might be considered misleading.

[@adamkisk9214]

@@du1987de This does not even look as in-engine. Looks like 2D layered cinematics to me.

[@YanickGirouard]

Unreal Engine 5 looks realistic at gameplay. Just go look at the gameplay footage of the new Matrix game, it looks like a movie, but it's actual gameplay in real time!

[@dustinherk8124]

never heard of this game, but Star citizen has been selling wishes and dreams successfully for 11 years.

[@DrSmugface]

The difference is that you can play star citizen and there are plenty of videos of real gameplay of people like me and you also this "game" was heavily invested in ftx that just went bankrup ..so there's that

[@sonic-bb]

"gameplay" @@DrSmugface

[@AlexanderosD]

You really shouldn't even be giving Star Atlas any of this attention. It's bad enough that we have predatory and money-grabbing practices already active, that have ruined the gaming industry. We don't need this crypto-scam stuff like Star Atlas getting attention.

[@Fx_Explains]

i agree 100%

[@thejmz]

You know nothing John Snow.

[@drksideofthewal]

Star Atlas is basically what uninformed people think Star Citizen is

[@agonyaunt6325]

Some people think CIG will still deliver on what they promised. I don't know if that means they are uninformed or just downright gullible. Seem like the sort of people who would give Star Atlas money though. 😆

[@drksideofthewal]

@@agonyaunt6325 I'm curious, have you seen any Star Citizen gameplay lately? What is your distrust based on?

[@AntonioCT-7997]

@@drksideofthewal its just lack of research news sites do and most people that read them sadly 100%

[@Lowkeh]

While this isn't the case for Star Citizen anymore, this whole Star Atlas-NFT-thing sure does remind me of the first half of Star Citizen's decade-long development. Now, with SC, there might actually come a day when I can say to myself that it was worth buying the LTI (Lifetime Insurance) for the _Freelancer,_ all those years ago.

[@AntonioCT-7997]

@@Lowkeh sc seems very stable atm 30k wise things are improving

[@fluffybunnyofdespair1145]

I am really concerned for gaming as a whole. Not just because of NFTs but overall. As the industry got bigger and people noticed how much profit can be made, we see more and more optimization in that department. I still remember when we had the Horse Armor DLC and everyone was making fun of it. This is now common practice. Even tho, no one ever thought that would happen. We get more and more bugridding messes that call themselves good games, just to make the deadline for the fiscal year so the investors are happy. Sure, there are games that turn it around and make good things happen even after a bad release. But lets be honest, most games are not No Man's Sky. Then we have more and more predatory business models popping up like mushrooms everywhere but people are so focused on labeling everything in either Pay 2 Win or NOT Pay 2 Win, that they forget about other factors. "What does an exp boost hurt?" It can, if they reduce the XP earned just to make it more tempting to invest in it. Its even gotten to the point that Single Player games offer options like these. It sadens me greatly to see what gaming is currently becoming. But i also can't really see a great silver lining at the horizon. I just hope that at some point more people will get annoyed and finally start to vote with what is the only way to do so... their wallet.

[@suvetar]

Wallet voting = Best Voting. They are ultimately dependant on us to keep themselves rich and comfortable; not just NFTs and Horse armour shenanigans; everything - but to cite a real specific answer, the Pharmaceutical industry ... boy am I glad to have the NHS, Sure it might be the health sectors equivalent of a bumbling but well meaning uncle - but it is dependable and isn't out to screw over everyone on the price of essential medicine and treatment.

[@Andromeda2976]

I'm with you for this.

[@almavesfeltaite]

Go write a book

[@wikiwikiwik4898]

It's a pure speculative investment. It's okay to allocate a small percent of your portfolio into high risk assets depending on your age. The current draw is that the NFT based ships earn a daily net income going on "missions". The reward is paid out in its native token Atlas that can be converted to USD via a cryptocurrency exchange. The reviewer is spot on that its attracting investors who expect a return on their money and that could adversely effect the developers motivations. That was a great point.

[@PelTheSmell]

The days when we'd pay for a complete game and just play for fun are slowly slipping away. We need these scams to dissappear and quickly. I will not be spending a penny on any game that incorporates nfts...I just want to pay for a game, play it and maybe buy some dlc to expand my experience. Nothing more.

[@BoleDaPole]

Those days are long gone bud.

[@sugipulaboule]

@@BoleDaPole Found the slimy snake again.

[@honoredshadow1975]

@@BoleDaPole Never. Just don't buy them.

[@aspexpl]

Sure. But each time a gamer buys a licensed sport game, each time someone writes about how great the cinematics, the voice actors and the fps on 4k the game is without even mentioning the gameplay, each time dumbasses pre-buy a game, or pay for a fancy mount, or pay to win, each time the community accepts and embraces these bullshits, we go a step away from what videogames should have been.

[@BladeTrain3r]

Indy games are a saving grace here, although like indy movies they can suffer sometimes from a lack of big budget or production teams. Factorio, Noita, Synthetik, most stuff published by New Blood Interactive... There's also the consideration of tens of thousands of older games to play that retain their original quality, although the bar may have been raised since they came out - making a retro game seem less good than when first played even if nothing's actually changed. Morrowind is still an awesome game, Doom 2 is still great fun, the classic C&Cs and Warcraft 1/2 are both solid RTS titles, there's an entire world of good games out there if you don't mind needing a bit more imagination and dealing with some clunkiness (although even I draw the line somewhere around the late 80s for my retro gaming). Heck you don't even need to go back to the 90s - Doom 3 and Half Life 2, KoTOR, the Mass Effect games, Supreme Commander, Freelancer... tl;dr: Good older titles and good indy titles largely make up for the "hollywood blockbuster" type AAA titles. They just fly under the radar and need more digging to find.

[@merefield2585]

The problem with NFT based in-game assets is that it is corrupting and perverting the potentially interesting in-game economy of these ‘worlds’ with pay-to-win dynamics. Star Citizen also suffers from this despite not being NFT based. A shortcut to wealth is to buy a really good mining ship and this gives you an absolute edge in the in-game economy (and potentially ruins the feeling of progression too!)

[@cncmasterw]

it may not officially be NFT.. but you can still spend hundreds/throusands of dollars on ships. Slap a big old 001/002/003 on there.. boom NFT.

[@Sneemaster]

Buying a mining ship in Star Citizen is not a shortcut. It still takes in-game money to buy the right gear to mine the good paying Quantanium rocks (you can't buy the gear with real money), then you have to find and mine the rocks, that takes time, then you still have to refine it, which costs both time and in-game money (not real money), then you have to take that refined ore somewhere to sell it. Real money doesn't replace the time it takes to do things in Star Citizen and won't replace in-game money. So...no, nothing like the NFT based games.

[@merefield2585]

@@Sneemaster of course it’s a short cut. Otherwise you’d need to have raised say 5m aUEC from other in game activities to buy a Mole (slow grind with a ROC?). How is that not taking a shortcut with real money? I appreciate you still have to “work” with your new ship but you’ve still already given yourself a huge leg up, lifting yourself way above those who are still doing 3 box delivery missions for a tiny return! With your $ bought Mole you are now making far more money per game minute than you would have done otherwise.

[@gian.4388]

Ok, sorry for the rant, but: For now, sure, the gameplay is very basic and the economy, while somewhat dynamic is still not fleshed out, ships have minimal running and maintenance costs and everything (cargo loading/unloading, repairing/refueling/rearming etc.) is basically instant While bigger ships means you can mine more material, haul more cargo or whatever: refueling, maintenance, rearming, hangar, insurance costs will get higher the bigger the ship is, crew requirements will also be higher to run the ship efficiently Doing any type of activity in a bigger ship will be slower than with smaller ships, again: refueling, cargo loading/unloading, having your insured ship be sent back to you after it got destroyed (some of them will probably take days if not weeks for the Capital ones) This is also why I always recommend people in the subreddit to think before buying bigger ships, a lot of them might just turn out to be _too much_ for some players, especially solo players CIG has also stated that they won't make all of this some sort anxiety inducing thing and will instead make it manageable That said, a Capital ship WILL be extremely hard to use if you are a solo player and will most likely bankrupt you TL;DR I don't think it's pay to win, but rather pay to progress? But it also isn't _really_ pay to progress because the ship grind is just one progression system and it's supposed to be secondary to the reputation system which will NOT be a P2W/P2P system

[@merefield2585]

@@gian.4388 yes it’s definitely ‘pay for progress’. It cuts out a lot of early game grind. But completely agree with your points here and how things aren’t fully balanced yet. Also 100% on advising people not to buy ships they can’t crew etc.

[@teddyinjapan]

It’s nice to know I don’t have to be a part of these ridiculous games Normal games are always going to exist

[@DMSProduktions]

@Bushcraft brothers STOP SPAMMING!

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

After backing star citizen in 2015, and still waiting for squadron 42 and any meaningful progress to be made on SC, I am 💯 burnt out on crowd funding. From now on I wait until the game is done and then hand my money over.

[@lonesnip3rwolf]

It's all a big money grab! The game has made well over $400 million and is still in alpha with no sign of a full bug free release. The fact they charged $27k for a ship pack is a disgrace! Its a shame because the game concept is awesome!

[@Xargo]

"Both EA and Take-Two have expressed interest in creating their own NFT ventures." Nothing gives me more faith that something is a horrible idea than the two most greedy and corrupt game companies backing it.

[@thejmz]

ObsidianAnt - thank you for finally covering Star Atlas. I see many blockchain gaming skeptics in the comments, most of whom don't understand the technology and how it allows for a trustless in-game experience that we gamers have been longing for...since forever. One part that was missed is the background of the leadership team (a class act) and the white papers, which outline how StarAtlas intends on the long-term future of the game to be managed by a DAC (Decentralized Autonomous Corporation) - which is huge and amazing concept, that could allow StarAtlas to fund updates to the game through time, w/the direction decided by the players. I follow all NFT games and have made tons of $, but StarAtlas IS the best of the best - it is not a scam, it's a bunch of guys trying to leverage new technology to make the game we have all always dreamed of playing. Anyhoo - thanks for the video; hope to see another when things have moved along (and they will). :)

[@Tom-yp7cq]

Scams like these have always been around: show some flashy graphics which purport to be gameplay, draw people in with the latest buzz words, and make grandiose promises. The difference now is that the latest buzzword to draw attention is "metaverse" and rather than raising funds on Kickstarter, which could lead to some legal problems if they don't deliver anything, they now sell NFTs. Which I would imagine makes them legally untouchable when they abandon the project and those NFTs become worthless.

[@gavinmitchell3709]

I'm glad to say Star Citizen is coming up as a playable game in its current state, it has a gameplay loop and many things to do as it is. While a release is still nowhere in sight (optimistic projections into 2028 for beta, let alone launch) that doesn't change the fact that we have a real, tangible, absolutely playable game in front of us. And, despite having no almost thought behind the way money grinding is balanced, it's still balanced better than Elite. There are many things wrong with it, but a lot of things can go wrong with so many people and so much money. And I'll believe you when you say where the money goes is... Suspicious to say the least. But the results don't lie. The game is looking better and better with each update. And worse in surprisingly few ways for how early it is in the development process.

[@HDrifter101]

You literally dont know anything whatsoever about this Project do you?

[@Tom-yp7cq]

@@HDrifter101 Nor do you, seeing that the 'game' developers seem remarkably vague about how the game might work.

[@HDrifter101]

@@Tom-yp7cq Have you spoken to them?

[@Tom-yp7cq]

@@HDrifter101 Have you? How do you know that Star Atlas isn't another Star Citizen - stuck in development hell with minimal progress after a decade, or worse, another Evolved Ape NFT scam?

[@shoktan]

I’m leaning on this being a scam. It’s a very elaborate/“pretty” scam, but if your one-time cost for a handful of digital artists/web designers and animators is in the tens of thousands or so, then it’s just a rounding error compared to potential profits. Overhead is likely cheap (just running a website and a couple of staff).

[@gdwnet]

Absolutely. The first thing I see on the website is "COLLECT A WALLET". It's not possible to try anything, do anything, explore anything so nope. It's all scam.

[@Koozomec]

@Forest brothers Ubisoft, Bioware etc. have made "videos" and raised "hype" for mediocre producrs.

[@BoleDaPole]

Yea. Just like bitcoin was a scam in 2013 right?

[@gdwnet]

@@BoleDaPole No, more like how Earth2 is a scam. More like how ubisoft's dip into NFT's was a failure. Unless you can show me some actual gameplay from this game. Can you?

[@MistedMind]

@@Koozomec Indeed. And they were, rather rightfully so, scammers. UBI and Bio at least had believable gameplay scenes, like with Watchdogs etc. even though the graphics were later heavily downgraded. But it WAS gameplay. StarAtlas showed a scripted scene within UE5. That's not gameplay. Or are the players supposed to be a "hangar" and await the arrival of a StarShip? Rather "unique gameplay" that would be.

[@Monkiiengineer]

The rise of NFT games is concerning me. I've always known games as something you buy for $60 or less, and you get a complete or mostly complete package. The rise of NFT games makes it so that a gaming company could take your money, give you "ownership", and if they don't like/disagree with you, they can revoke all ownership to your stuff that you paid for. It takes away ownership from purchases which makes it a paid permission of use.

[@henriquesoeiromendes]

Actually. No. That is the point of NFTs. Unlike say, cards in hearthstone, you do own nft items since they will be in a wallet you control.

[@Koozomec]

$60 you say ? Let me introduce you to VPN ... ;D

[@IAtarenI]

Wait, but that's how owning Steam games works. NFTs are suppose to change and regulate that. Ofc I despise them, but you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[@braveheart1985]

If Chris Roberts, with 500 million has to struggle year after year to realise his vision of a "metaverse" or Dave Braben with Elite has to struggle year after year for his, how on earth do these guys think they can promise the very same thing within 10 years? They have NOTHING to show but an Unreal4 in engine concept piece and the fact they literally call it ingame footage just shows this is a scam. If you had any ingame footage to show, you would show it no matter how threadbare it is right now. Where's the procedurals? Where's the npc's? Where's the ships? At least Star Citizen gives you something in your hands. I would steer clear of this until there's some actual showcase and substantial evidence of anything at all.

[@seaglass3034]

If they're talking about money, and how to monetize YOU (The Consumer), ahead of proper Game Design -- stay far, far away from these people, and their "product."

[@durtyred86]

I'm not seeing how this is comparable to Star Citizen boss. I'm not saying it won't be a great space game, I just don't see the same depth as SC. Seems closer to Elite Dangerous.

[@Culky]

You're right, not many projects are anywhere close to as shallow as Star Citizen.

[@LayneBenofsky]

From what we're seeing here there's almost zero indication of anything.

[@durtyred86]

@@Culky highly subjective. I'd be willing to have an intelligent debate with you on the matter but I highly doubt you're up to speed on the progress tracker... So essentially, your opinion was just one of many shared opinions by ignorant individuals. CiG has done "even recently" some very stupid shit that I don't agree or appreciate... I'm not a white knight so lost in my love for this project to acknowledge that... Still, you can't say what they're doing is bland...Not without sounding foolish.

[@durtyred86]

@SicSemperMortemTyrannis how so? Last I checked SC is still on the up. The same can't be said for SA. I keep up very close with the actions of SC, and buddy, business and returns are a Booming...So...I ask... How did it age like milk??🤔

[@durtyred86]

@SicSemperMortemTyrannis or are you just not up to date with what's going on? Save the "release date" argument if that's what you're about to pull from that attic upstairs. Any half wit knows release dates are not the most important goal when accomplishing something like SC. That's literally the while point of NOT going with a publisher to create his dream... So I'll need you to rearrange a few boxes up there and dust off something more fitting. I'm here always will be. I guarantee I, a supporter, won't be the one scurrying back into the shadows with tail tucked between my legs when this is all said and done. 🫡

[@friendlyspacedragon7250]

Star Atlas is a game I have no interest in due to NFTs. What we've seen so far from it's kind is newgrounds games of 10 years ago, overpromising by teams with no experience and outright scams, not to mention investors and speculators hoarding the already expensive assets to sell at an even more expensive price later on. However I reserve the final judgement until it comes out. That way I'll know if it is a genuine project... And if it is at an approachable price. What I hear the most succesful NFT game Axie Infinity needs around $180 to enter at minimum -practically unviable- level for a slightly above flash game. For now Star Atlas would need to kick puppies for me to have a worse image of it.

[@grayfoxart2268]

Really? I guess you dont know anything about the developers then

[@viotio7358]

@@grayfoxart2268 yeah cos there are no actual developers lol. You’re probably the CEO

[@calvinwilliams866]

Whenever the coin counters start setting the rules a game dies. We've seen this demonstrated over and over. Games are developed, played, and sustained by the people who love them, the profits need to stay in the games not siphoned off to private bank accounts of those who add no value to the product. This looks like another Star Citizen clone, all pretty pictures and hype. After ten years SC has demonstrated that games can be funded by the players, but it also shows the problems are keeping the funds in the game and staying focused on creating playable, useable, and in depth content. The pretty picture graphics can be updated later. NFT is another good concept that is being exploited by the few for the their benefit at the cost of everyone else.

[@JustanOlGuy]

Accountability ...?...

[@FreebirthBoccara]

in the tean year i have backed SC i have put in thousands of hours playing starcitizen. star atlas will never produce anything playable. they have 30 people and their staff will only shrink. SC has 700 and growing.

[@Wanderer628]

Is anyone surprised that Epic is embracing this?

[@EddyKorgo]

Conspiracy theories? Whats that

[@Smallgrayandfurry]

This is one of those roll your eyes and walk away moments

[@ralfw7463]

This screams "Vapor ware" at me.. when second life came they at least selled exiting items. In the best case scenario they will balance the presold items by power creeping them which will spinn up pay2win to a whole new level.

[@kessilrun6754]

It over promised, straight from the get-go. The ultimate space game, to rule all space games, that it would take so long to develop that it would become obsolete as it was being developed, resulting in more development time to overhaul, and re-overhaul the engine/ game, as it is being developed lol. That's what you call "eternal development." Star Citizen has worked itself into a hole so large that it could never please everyone, once it finally releases.

[@XNY_Music]

Isn't this what they do with E3?, Show a short, highly polished CG rendering of a game and then based on the audience/influencer feedback, decide whether to continue with the project.

[@CboTheSecond]

Most games anybody sees at E3 are in production, audience reaction or not, they may take on feedback but E3 is not the concept stage, very few games get outright canned following poor reception at such events

[@TheMaw365]

If they have your money, there is no incentive to make a good game, or a game at all. There would be more profit in just making another scam.

[@Koozomec]

Op : I totally agree on that, Bioware, Ubisoft etc.

[@XNY_Music]

@@TheMaw365 It takes decades to earn great reputation as a software studio and one game, released in an unfinished state, will destroy all trust earned. CDPR did scam everybody when they released the most anticipated and hyped videogame of the decade in such an unfinished state. CDPR will not dare do that again and neither will the market forget it.

[@ActionMan1979]

_Chris Roberts furiously takes notes._

[@lordfraybin]

Looked at their site... still not sure what this game is supposed to be. No game play footage at all, just pictures. Just pointing out: NFTs are an excellent method of laundering money.

[@captainrawn3396]

Money laundering, yes. But I think also fraud. When the power goes out, where is the value?

[@xanderdickinson]

Racing mini game due in 3mo, entry costs is like $30

[@imaner76]

"it's all about wishes and dreams" ObsidianAnt, 2021 "A fool and his money are soon parted." Thomas Tusser 1557 "We" never learn.

[@meesterkeeys]

I feel sad. The gaming industry has always had it's share of unscrupulous parties, but this has taken it to a whole new level. Not surprised to see the usual money grabbing software houses jumping in with both feet. I fear there will be a lot of heartbroken and newly made cynical people in the near future. Thanks for the video.

[@HDrifter101]

The cynical people are all here Star Atlas will be fine :)

[@stevenszmek7007]

Thanks for bringing more awareness to this "game" ! Infusing the alredy shady gaming industry with NFTs and Blockchain stuff should not even be llegal since also children have access to those "games" . This is higly predatory behavior even surpassing EA levels. I sincerly hope this projekt will not only fail but eventually get sued to hell and back again so nobody else will try that move again.

[@confuzler6985]

Here is an idea: create a fun game inside Star Atlas for players who are tired and stressed out by being involved in it, so that those people can freely have fun without worrying about money and insecurities... The irony is blinding in this subject.

[@MOOR5]

I’m glad you dove into the nuances. Other KZbinrs barely hit the surface and it does the argument no favors just to talk about Star Citizen 🙄

[@MrTbone1975]

I got burned on Star Citizen so I am not falling into the same trap once more..

[@eternaldarkness3139]

Back in 1998ish.. There was a game called Ultima Online. You played, you had fun, you might get rare items, or excess gold, an in-game House, or just a valuable account overall. You could go to UO Auction House and sell your stuff, you could sell stuff for real money. Digital Assets are not new. Guess how much these 'assets" were worth 2 weeks after World of Warcraft released. I wonder how sales are going now since NFT's and Crypto have crashed? People don't seem to know the difference between non-fungible and intangible.

[@phreakinpher]

As good as that demo looks, UE5 is capable of more. The emissive materials (the plasma jets coming from the engines) should be casting light, as one of the big improvements in UE5 and Lumen lighting is the ability for emissive materials to actually affect the scene. So I don't know if that means they're not taking advantage of it, or it's not actually UE5, but it's a thing I noticed.

[@BoleDaPole]

That's just a early demo, the real game will look better

[@Patrickf5087]

@@BoleDaPole "watch_dogs"

[@poolhallshark]

YUP, very shaky grounds indeed ! Well put :-) Happy New Year, and thanks a lot for all your efforts in 2021. I've been loving it. Love from Norway :-) Regardless of what we think about this game and this concept, we all know that we can't stop the future in game development, simply because it is just that - THE FUTURE (Confucius)

[@briankorfitzmiehs126]

I think you hit it right one the nail head with this one. Good video as always. I'm not be blind that most games are made with profit in mind, but as I see it NFT and block-chain and so on, is taking the profit part to silly levels and that in my book will make them 100% "no-buy".

[@shperax]

Fast Forward a year later and everyone forgot this game exists.

[@johnhooton8299]

someone else's dream, of making millions, from gamers who want a perfect realistic space simulator, I am sick of seeing concept art, and the odd bit of CGI claiming to be in game footage? even with Elite we where lead in by the dream of what it was going to become?

[@yan71ck8]

Perhaps No Man Sky has the most potential to become the "perfect game". The dream : ships and design of Star citizen, physics from Elite Danerous, opulence of No Man Sky

[@BoleDaPole]

A sucker is born every minute..

[@jrfirefiher]

@@yan71ck8 no man sky is boring after a while

[@merefield2585]

@@jrfirefiher as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle.

[@jrfirefiher]

@@merefield2585 it’s literally 18 quadrillion years worth of planets but there’s barely anything in them

[@canadiangoose1451]

If your looking for proper good space game that actually exists look at star citizen

[@seanc6754]

Find it absolutely hilarious I mean hilarious that people will call Star citizen a scam then turn around and spend money on this kind of crap

[@philiphudgens4726]

Atlas, Gala Enj, Sand & Mana (Decentraland) have already made me mid six figures in profit because I got into blockchain gaming pretty early. It's gonna take over the industry - don't be that guy who ridiculed the internet 30 years ago!

[@colej7973]

Interesting that take two ,ea and Ubisoft are looking into making games with nfts I think that says all you need to know

[@EddyKorgo]

money money money baaaags.

[@alanbugler4404]

I have been keeping an eye on Star Atlas in the same way I followed the Star Citizen kickstarter without backing. They have mentioned they plan to make an UE5 ship viewer, where "players" can look at a 3d model of their NFT ships. I think this "gameplay" footage is just a cinematic that will play as your ship lands in for you to look at it. I don't think there will be much actual gameplay involved in this. At best it is their version of the Star Citizen hanger module. As for the final Star Atlas game, I think a lot of people have the wrong idea of what this game is. Their white paper describes the game as a grand strategy where a player interacts with a map view of space. The white paper then goes on to talk about the space flight simulation part including exploration and combat from a cockpit view ideal for seated VR. At no point does it say that you can leave your captains chair. This is not Star Citizen, this is not a first person universe. This is more of a Stellaris grand strategy where you can fly your ship during missions in a pre Odyssey ED style. It actually doesn't sound too bad, but definitely no where near the ambition and technical difficulty of Star Citizen. I however forsee the game economy being completely overshadowed by NFT traders at the expense of those who want to play the game.

[@DMSProduktions]

Well you KNOW what 'white paper' stands for!

[@miroslavhanzelka8220]

I think the players are "investing" the minimum. They're gonna be mostly businessmen.

[@newdawnforall6264]

You are starting to get it. P2E is gamified finance. There is real business evolving in virtual reality. It's actually quite fun.

[@FirebreathXIII]

I'll say the same thing here as I said on Bigfry's video: Looking at the team page, both current and "open positions", there is NOTHING about gameplay in any of the current roles. It's all marketing, moneytization and art, with a few engineers whose job is to make stuff in Unreal, not unlike that "gameplay" (I use that term loosely) video. This is why this screams "scam" to me; they list tons of things for the ships they sell, such as generators/reactors, shield generators, thrusters, FTL capability... They talk about "skills" and crafting, but there is nobody on their team that is there to develop those systems. The "gameplay" video features no gameplay because there is no gameplay intended for this game, as it is "sold" to us today (because make no mistake, the game is the speculation - that's the real gameplay). How can you have "gameplay" if there is no actual game designers, gameplay systems designers, writers or anything else in the team? You can't have 50 artists, 10 programmers, 40 marketing/monetization people and not a single "game designer" on the payroll and call it a game. When your "leaderboard" is only about how much "money" some of your players have (or, at least, their assets estimated value), you made it painfully clear that this is not about the game. It's about the amount of money being exchanged on your platform and nothing else.

[@niall2236]

I just don't get NFT's dude. Its been explained so many times and I still don't get it, especially how it'll work in games. I'll just stick with my little space games and be happy without pricey pictures

[@aliakeel]

same

[@phoenixdundee]

If you imagine NFTs in Elite. You would buy a station with real world money and ... well, that's it. You own that station, you can't charge people for using it and if Frontier went under and ED disappeared then so does you money. You could sell on your NFT, but it's pretty much 'bragging rights' and nothing more. If I photographed a painting I could sell the NFT of that photograph, you wouldn't own anything, just the label of the owner of that photo. It's all quite stupid really. That's my interpretation anyway ;-)

[@BRUXXUS]

Don’t worry, none of the executives and studios drooling over crypto games know what the hell they are either. They just know some people are making a lot of money from them.

[@cyberir]

you can imagine NFT as example art in real life someone painted it and put signature and it has value over time and depending who owned it before you. Or an asset like car NFT has information who owned it and what kinda mileage it has and all that adds somekinda value, example if some NFT brings passive income in metaverse you it will be valuable as an asset, if some cosmetic glasses in virtual world were bought or worn by some famous figure this will be information in blockchain and it will increase in its value. Hope that explains it a bit. If we would have NFT in elite you could example make player faction BGS as NFT and it would increase on its price depending how large it is. Or you could engineer you ship and mint it to NFT and sell it to some other player as NFT so they can use it without grind and you would get paid for all grind you did for it.

[@lennypen1978]

The background music made me feel good.

[@cajltd1737]

As someone that never spends more than a £10 on game, I love that this happens! Hopefully one day someone will design a space game to my liking! i.e. realistic space flight mechanics and not combat oriented.

[@YISP7]

Star Citizen has you covered. But it costs like a full price game for a starter package. But it's really "realistic" and sim heavy and quite fun even in its todays state =)

[@spinnenente]

kerbal space programm already exists. it is by far the most realistic depiction of space travel. It actually teaches orbital mechanics and how to maneuver space. Star citicen is an arcade space game which i am exited for (if it will ever release) but realistic it is not.

[@sterlingdennett]

If you want to monetize something like NFT's, you must 1. Not charge TOO much for it (who will buy it, instead of purchasing a cheaper option?) 2. Make it worth something so that people will WANT to buy it (not just try to sell it for more than you paid for it, that is how speculative bubbles are created)

[@agemmemnon100]

I'm glad that you bringing attention to games, and the problems and questions that NFT and blockchain games will bring. I don't believe in anything that I cannot play right away upon purchase when it comes to electronic games. I even avoid Early access games on Steam with some exceptions, (Valheim being one of the exceptions), because they are often abandon ware or what I like to call "When we get around to it ware." I've avoided Star Citizen for after ten years and nearly 40 million dollars, they don't have a game to play, they only have a game in development. So it's a no from me for NFT.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Honestly when SC works it works really damn well, but yeah it is aggressively alpha. In the sense that some systems are implemented when clearly they are relying on another system that just isn't there. For example in one of the last updates they did the switch from a global inventory to a local one, which is obviously great since now ships, people, and stations have separate inventories meaning you can't, lets say, just pull a brand new rifle out of your ass from a menu. This is overall a great system, which in a way fixes a LOT of balance issues, make an FPS activity far more risky, encourages teamwork massively (as players have the ability to actually treat injuries of other players, saving them from death) and its overall a really good system to add customization, consequence and realism into the experience. But now the issue is that there isn't really an insurance system for items. There is one for ships, which allows you to claim the base version of the ship if it ever is destroyed or lost in a way that cannot be recovered. Now the issue is that, obviously, you may not have stocked up on a billion space suits, guns and medical items, meaning that especially for a new player you may end up getting stranded of funds. Perhaps more annoyingly, that means some subscribers items can be lost in the process of dying and being unable to recover them, and its quite hard other than a char reset to get them back which then brings the former problem of early game risk of getting stuck. Again, its really good, and honestly closer to game than alpha especially economy/activity wise, but it still FEELS aggressively alpha because of these things

[@SophiaAphrodite]

"Star Citizen - The " Epic" space game that sells wishes and dreams" There, fixed it for you.

[@thomilsvlog4544]

Between the points you mentioned in your video, the fact that any registration data for their website has been painstakingly anonymised, there is no information about the development company or where their legal base is anywhere of the website, and the fact that any data collected on the website is processed through Automata S.A., a Panamanian entity that was founded at the same time as Star Atlas started, by the same person who heads up the development of Star Atlas, this thing smells extremely fishy!

[@garethbeedie8070]

given the amount of talent that this studio are currently picking up due to ramping up for production, i can assure you this is no scam.

[@ArpadLukacs]

Atlas is the name of the in-game currency? So this game is basically called "Star Money"? Does that not tell us everything we need to know?

[@carlosalejandrobejaranocar4955]

DEFINITIVY OF OTHER GALAXY THANK YOU FOR SHOW US THIS TRULY GAME SALUTED FROM PUERTO CORTES HONDURAS

[@jean-marcplante5411]

It is absolutely BEYOND ME and all what I hold dear, as to HOW and WHY people would invest THOUSANDS of dollars for non-existing stuff! Images of some randomly named ship who has yet to even have a 3d modelling to it, for TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. WHat for? Just..... What for? Why?

[@HumanistGordian]

Exactly. What if the game is so bad no one plays it and all the thousands invented are worth nothing. There is nothing real you can grasp.

[@xanderdickinson]

Cause we made millions on btc, gotta allocate some crumbs here n there, somewhere, already can cash out initial investment on some of nfts tbh

[@ZelltisExx]

So many ppl giving Star Citizen flag here, but I just payed like 50 bucks for a ton of playtime. Don't see a problem there...

[@gretathunderer5596]

In theory, NFTs could provide a robust titling system for assets in a game, allowing the tracing of their creation and lineage that would allow for items to be truly unique. But that can be done without the use of NFTs. In practice, I think most of the NFT hype has been a massive cash grab. Sure, the token is non-fungible within the system it was created, but for NFT art or most other NFTs, a simple right-click > save as allows you to copy the asset itself. Until NFTs have a universal method of title protection, the title they purport to grant is worthless and unenforceable. If there ever is universal NFT title recognition then it's merely the most dystopian form of DRM.

[@klimentdukovski]

Interesting take on the game, but you have to play the browser game first to get the real impression. I've been playing for a few days and here are my takes: 1. You can make money right away. Your NFT ships return around 90%-100% annually right now (this will likely drop). 2. The browser game currently has the ship mechanic, which basically stake ATLAS. 3. You can instantly convert your ATLAS to USDC or USDT. 4. In 100 days the buildings will appear. This means you can buy power plants, mining drills etc and stake even more ATLAS. 5. Star Atlas is developing two games -- browser one to keep you busy, entertained, and let you earn some cash while you wait for the UE5 game to appear. The browser game should be fully finished this year, I think. The second is the UE5 game that will take years to finish. 6. I've played a bunch of browser games, mostly Ogame, ad I spend money and time without earning anything back. With Star Atlas at least I'm earning money by playing/staking the ships. 7. Despite that, I still see the game as high risk and I'm using money that won't impact me in any way if I lose them. But so far so good.

[@Anonnymouse53]

Have they ever shown anything that's actually in engine? Regardless of how they fund it, all I've seen is a pretty but empty website.

[@EricWilliamsCG]

So looking at the market place comparing the ships to Star Citizen ship prices is almost comedic. Star Atlas top ship, Fimbul ECOS Treearrow, is just short of $100,000 usd (apparently USDC is 1:1 USD). The Javelin is Star Citizen's most expensive I think, at $3,000... Tried to compare a few more by length/size but Star Atlas seems to be all over the board, some 20m ships are over $1,000 and some under $100.

[@EddyKorgo]

lol

[@thatrandomguycommenting1261]

When they showed us "gameplay" of a video rendered in like fucking Blender I gave up immediately. 🤣

[@vlweb3d]

Give me that BLUE ALIEN CHICK. You can keep your NFTs and everything else.

[@buginabassbin]

Don't worry about covering a project that could be a scam, you've given Star Citizen plenty of attention over the years so that boat has already sailed. I bet Chris Roberts is sick that he didn't think of this. It's only a matter of time before they try and shoehorn it in there.

[@HalNordmann]

I believe SC is a genuine, if a bit too perfectionist, project.

[@PutsOnSneakers]

If a product focuses so much on money and currency, best believe its nothing but a wall street alternative. In a way it might be a money laundering hub if it remains unregulated on a global scale

[@rolanddutton4723]

I think it's here to stay. New gamers will come into the scene and lap up the hopes and dreams sold by nft developers. Gameplay won't even enter into the equation. It'll be all about who has the best stuff (ships, land, property etc). As for older games, I hope there'll still be a market for indy games where gameplay is important. Also, if Peter Molynoux is involved in a game, stay the heck away.

[@TerminallySerious]

It’s the new unreal engine. It’s insane how beautiful the actual game play mechanics are becoming! Check it out and this seems more realistic.

[@lio8517]

Okay... so we have star citizen, where people spend thousand of dollars on virtual spacescips for a alpha game. but now ladies and gentlemen we have star atlas where people buy virtual ships and assets for a game that does not even exist yet...

[@mugthemagpie3001]

@@seveneternal7988 And then, there's Elite: Dangerous played by a lot of console players who have no alternatives given how expensive PC gaming became. I mean, it was already expensive where I live but holy eff 2020-2021 prices. No wonder Series S was so successful. P.S. We had Star Citizen, now we have Star Atlas. Are we prepared for... STAR UNIVERSE?

[@EddyKorgo]

I dont know. Its like nuclear technology. Its not a weapon but in wrong hands it is. Tell me about that.

[@DormantGames]

NFTs or not, I'll never take the company seriously until actual gameplay is shown. As it stands now, the only people that are saying it's good, are those looking at it from a financial point of view and not of a game. Seriously. There are people commenting below which state that "Star Atlas is amazing" like wow, cool, guess you've played the game then, yeah? No? Oh so the game is not actually amazing because it doesn't exist, bloody time travellers man.

[@XenHat]

Star Atlas "looks" nice, but as a Star Citizen Aeon Club member who's seen the engine and tech grow with time and care, I do not believe this video to be actually gameplay. Even the Star Citizen cinematics have tweaked visuals they don't dare call gameplay, only engine capabilities. Regarding the NFT aspect of it, there is no way I am getting anywhere close to this, to put it nicely, experiment. Sadly, putting unnecessary frameworks into otherwise good products seems to be the taste of the decade. *cough* EAC *cough*

[@ethzero]

The Emperor's new clothes are looking lovely.

[@crushlemons]

Watch this game gets full release before Star Citizen hits beta.

[@Fx_Explains]

lol you must be joking. I agree star citizen will probably never be released but this game isn't even going to reach the level of star citizen today before it disappears. i know i call star citizen is a scam but this game is the real scam here 100%

[@crushlemons]

@@Fx_Explains maybe I'm joking but I've been a backer of SC since day one 2015 or 2016 I think and a small part of me thinks it will be forever in alpha because CIG will just keep promising new additions and not to mention they make a ton of money everytime they add a new ship.

[@HalNordmann]

I believe SC is a genuine, if only too perfectionist, project.

[@EddyKorgo]

I can make a game in one day.

[@EddyKorgo]

@@HalNordmann Im tired of half assed blown up games. I can fuck everyone i will wait.

[@mikael2670]

As for games nowadays a good stance is "I believe it when i see it" and i don't mean marketing material....

[@diablosv36]

This will never happen, im convinced this is a scam, they would need hundreds of developers and many years. Look at SC its been 9 years and there are 700 employees and looking to grow even further because it is a massive undertaking to create a universe MMO with an extreme level of fidelity .

[@xanderdickinson]

Well only people with 100s of millions betting on it, rich of house money already eh

[@alanbugler4404]

The game is entirely possible. It just isn't anything like what people think it is, and that is intentional. It's a top down grand strategy, with a small first person mode in which you are nailed to the captains chair. This game is not Star Citizen!

[@FreebirthBoccara]

and at least SC is actually making a game. i doubt star atlas will ever produce anything playable.

[@garage13]

both have 700 staff, i guess 1 lot of 700 staff you believe wont make anything good, cool for you brah.

[@diablosv36]

@@garage13 No way Star Atlas has 700 staff already.

[@IIISWILIII]

Given the unavoidable global economic changes upon us via AI and automation, it's reasonable to expect these play-to-earn blockchain apps will be significant supplemental or full-time income for most people.

[@markthompson1520]

Yeah, these NFT's need to be federally regulated. I could see this going HORRIBLY wrong.

[@thejmz]

Haha - yes, more gov't regulation is always the answer. Governments are great at managing money.

[@iVironment]

haha you clown

[@WhippyWhipGaming]

imaging paying for ownership of a digital item that doesn't actually exist, humans really are dumb

[@cyberir]

you are paying all the time and yet you dont own anything :)

[@thebrimstone1913]

Lol. If you've been playing games long enough, you'll know, games die off no matter how much money you've invested into its dlc. I've seen plenty of free to play games disappear even though players payed hundreds of real world dollars on pay to win dlc. Approach with caution.

[@TheMaw365]

What's an NFT in an MMO worth when the MMO shut down? Nothing.

[@SamTebbs33]

All of the other comments are disregarding the game just because it uses NFTs. This is really regressive and comes from a position of ignorance about what NFTs are. NFTs are in their basic form assets (art, game characters, deed to a house, or anything!) that are unique and can be transferred to other people. There's nothing about money, scams or tax avoidance in there. Don't disregard something just because you don't know enough about it and learn instead. NFTs have great potential in games: Who wouldn't like to buy a skin for a game and be able to transfer it or sell it on without the game company/publisher having to allow you to do so? Who wouldn't like to buy a copy of the game and have the freedom to give it to a friend if you get bored of it? Who wouldn't like to have a character in an MMO that will never be shut down by the developers because it's built on a blockchain that will keep running forever? Again, don't instantly disregard something becase it includes the words "crypto", "NFT" or "blockchain", all of which have use.

[@HumanistGordian]

Oh what happens if the publisher switches off the game cause it isn't worth it keeping it on anymore all your fancy nfts are worthless. Sorry dude it sounds and feels weird and scammy like. I wouldn't trust anything that sounds cringy like nft or block chain.

[@SamTebbs33]

@@HumanistGordian do you have an issue with skins as they are now because the company can turn off the game and make your skins worthless? At least if the game with NFTs is shut down you still have the NFTs and they have potential to become collectors items. Decentralised games can't be shut down anyway, which is the ideal. Don't disregard everything just because it uses "cringey" terms.

[@HDrifter101]

The level of ignorance in the comments section of this video is absolutely staggering,no wonder most people remain poor their entire lives...

[@Elric19772]

Ask Ubisoft how NFT's are going for them. Any game that utilises NFT's will never get a penny from me.

[@Aetrion]

The answer to all of this is very simple: If a game is not designed to be a fun experience above all else - don't buy it, don't play it. The only reason why things like this exist is because people are too weak to say no when the gamer stops being the customer and starts being the product.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

And yet people keeps buying that stuff!