Elite Dangerous - 17 Things You Should Know About Fleet Carriers - Plus Where And How To Buy Them

Fleet Carriers, easily the largest vessels a player can buy...yet whilst that is true, they also come with a whole range of possibilities and questions - including where to buy them. So in this video I'm going to look at 17 things you should know about Fleet Carriers.
Firstly - what are Fleet Carriers? In brief, they are gigantic space ships that are own-able by the individual player. They offer a place to dock, store your ships, replenish your essentials, repair and much more. The carriers can also - in theory at least - be used as a mobile market to sell goods to other players.
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Where to by a Fleet Carrier
Agartha - Enoch Port
Alcor - Macdonald Settlement
Balante - Laplace Ring
CD-47 990 - Jackson Ring
Colonia - Jaques Station
Diso - Shifnalport
Ehlanda - Clark Port
Kakmbutan - Macgregor Orbital
Kruger 60 - Kepler Gateway
Lan Tzak - Jacobi Platform
Namnetes - Jolliet Enterprise
Panoi - Garen Hub
Skeggiko O - Kuo Terminal
Current Fleet Carrier Upkeep Costs
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[@ObsidianAnt]

Share your ideas and suggestions about Fleet Carriers here (be nice j/k ! XD ). Also why not come and discuss the latest update on my discord server? discord.gg/ObsidianAnt

[@aleedlelee]

@@user-vf5zd1mu8z It functions more like a mobile starport. For the Merc role, it is possible to use a carrier to transport ships to conflict zones that either have no station nearby or only have an outpost nearby.

[@chloedarbyshire-brown2938]

The link to upkeep costs doesnt work, it may have been taken down

[@re8355]

Does the Carrier home with a full tank of gas when you purchase it?

[@bluequiltedness]

Upkeep should be replaced with having to pay a fee to park your carrier in a busy system. The busier the system, the higher the fee. Uninhabited systems in the middle of nowhere would be free to park your carrier in. This deals with the congestion issue, while taking away all the harm that upkeep inflicts on explorers. Decommissioning should only happen to carriers left in a busy area that do not keep up with rent

[@Rakmarok]

@@bluequiltedness Great idea!

[@darranstyler]

I'm going to be creating a community based exploration carrier. The carrier will jump at the same time every week (3000-10000 ly) All registered commanders travelling with the carrier can vote on the next destination.

[@Suraditya]

Darran Styler are you on pc?

[@iridescentsquids]

Cool idea

[@TaxationIsTheft69420]

How can we join?

[@RTED__ERROR]

Dope!!

[@KalenTomlinson]

That would be cool. Like some of the old community events? I wouldn't mind doing it just to see more of the galaxy I wouldn't normally see cause I'm grinding near SOL lol

[@Maurilustrador]

I just came here because..... IS YOUR VOICE IN THE F* GAME? I arrived at Obsidian Orbital in Maia, and I was just thinking "It'd be awesome if the devs got Obisidian his own station and all of that" and when I dock I just hear your voice inside the damn station! AWESOME man... just awesome!

[@updfdrakkell143]

thats the 2nd station thats made me smile. the other one is yurchikhin station lol

[@mostlypeacefulgaming2645]

I like the idea of owning a fleet carrier, but this sounds more like work than fun :(

[@leewilson98]

Agreed if your only a casual played can't see how to keep up with the upkeep whilst still having spare cash for ship upgrades.

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

Yup. I maintain: Upkeep = Not bothering with update at all. I didn't grind for the 5bn purchase cost just to grind MORE

[@silentsigma2917]

FD thinks grind is gameplay.

[@xSoundDefense]

FDev: "Yo we heard you like grind, so we put grind into your grind".

[@AdmiralValdemar]

I don’t see what a casual player would even get out of this, so the point seems quite moot. This is only really something a hardcore invested player would ever utilise fully, and I don’t see everyone being handed a fleet carrier as being a good outcome either. It’s like complaining about not being able to play Grand Master level matches in Overwatch because you only login every now and then to play casual.

[@wesleymacdonald2412]

Personally, I will never commit to anything in any game that penalises me for not playing the game. Not for me.

[@smartroadbiker]

My thoughts to. I come and go from games, I have just restarted Baldur's Gate 2 again and maybe ill finish it this time! Although I have restarted, that was my choice, and I could have carried on from my save without a problem.

[@Evilwolf21]

@@smartroadbiker The amount of times I restarted BG2 before I got to the underdark lol. Weird game design that they put all the branching open world stuff in the second chapter. Like you haven't played BG2 until you got all the different strongholds at least once.

[@h3ckNo]

You probably can sell it I assume. Or not leave too much money in carrier bank. It's mostly so that systems do not get overrun with player carriers (a problem that already is quite apparent). I love to shit on FDev but this one actually seems reasonable to me.

[@Mithguar]

as mentioned in video, you get your 5bil back if your carrier get decommisioned. Max debt is 250mil which isn't that much when you consider how much you can make per hour. Not to mentioned max upkeep per week is only 25mil. Might be a lot for new player but for anyone with at least Asp explorer, it's not really that much as long as you play the game. And if you don't play, why do you need a carrier?

[@YodaWasSith]

@@Mithguar Exactly, it balances itself out. I can see some casuals getting pissed because they can't reach the content made for people who are willing to work for it (Of which there are tens of thousands already in possession of a capital ship) but...the game wasn't made for them. It was made for the 11,000 people who met up in a system this week with their cap ships and solved what should have been a week long mystery in 6 hours, digging through over 4,700 systems. Plus, if you're smart enough to make any significant amounts of money in this game, you can easily walk away with over 300 mil in profit every single day. Or more, depending on what ship you're using. By my calculations, that's enough for 12 weeks of downtime.

[@sirdeadlock]

Needs a bumper sticker that says "we break for no one."

[@runawayuniverse1701]

Maybe ship ID in the Livery? And then make the ship name "Spaceballs - the Fleet Carrier"

[@magscorch7706]

@Roger Wilco "The Lusty Titanium Maid"

[@goglu2]

is your password 12345 the same as my luggage ?

[@Willard_guy]

I said across her nose not up it.

[@runawayuniverse1701]

@Roger Wilco oh heck yeah

[@Gro2healthheirlooms]

I want to use mine for a personal base for deep space exploration, I plan to move it to Colonia. Thanks for your great videos Obsidian 🐜

[@jackburton8352]

Pretty pointless as there is a station already there

[@yoyoyogames9527]

deep space exploration is gonna be what most players use it for. 500ly in 15 mins. i hope theres a place in colonia that makes them 0.0

[@aleedlelee]

@@yoyoyogames9527 There is. In fact, Colonia sells Fleet Carriers.

[@doommaker4000]

@@yoyoyogames9527 I expect a space taxi in a form of fleet carrier.

[@troywomack8263]

That's a great idea, but you might want to fly to Colonia, and then buy one when your there, as It's going to be hard to get there. ;)

[@Ploskkky]

I would love a mini carrier. I'd be happy with one that can carry a maximum of 4 ships, does not have a shipyard, or whatever. Just a repair shop, perhaps a bit of module storage, fuel storage... stuff like that

[@Asmusei]

And a fuel scoop. You basically become self sufficient at that rate.

[@kalebbruwer]

There is a pretty big gap between the most expensive ships being 150m and a fleet carrier being 5b

[@nrm8831]

Ive always wanted an exploration ship with little runabout ships so i can go dick around canyon flying on an undiscovered planet and stuff, but ship launched fighters have no supercruise and the hanger is too heavy for exploration.

[@Mithguar]

@@nrm8831 It's called Anaconda with fighter... Everything else you can already fix is one way or another. Synthesise ammo, limpets, fuelscoop for fuel, use repair limpets to repair hull.

[@jakegreen6341]

Hmmm... maybe like a private Flight Ops Carrier or something

[@Dagoth_Ur_1]

"If you attack you own carrier, you'll go to a prison ship" Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked" I like the idea of carrier's more than when they were first revealed, but won't be getting one anytime soon. Just got my corvette and am close to engineering it fully. That's keeping me more than happy. Plus have space legs to look forwards too.

[@Garryck-1]

*Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked"* More like, you accidentally shoot out your car's windows, then the cops arrest you for public endangerment and disturbing the peace.

[@mailmaxxxx]

In the USA they'd kneel on your neck until you died

[@Dagoth_Ur_1]

@@Garryck-1 we only have .177 & .22 air guns in the uk, so I guess shooting a mining laser at it would come closest for us

[@nrm8831]

As someone in law enforcement i can definitely say it is 100%legal to break your own shit

[@alan133]

@@nrm8831 is it legal to buy a bus hire a ticket seller in it and start shooting it tho

[@MrMgbeares]

having a carrier is frontier way of saying, come into the game daily to mantain it

[@Scott-jt8ic]

or mine for a couple hours and it's good for 3 months

[@FlyntofRWBY]

S Crumly do you mean, “Sit through excruciating boredom for hours because there’s no fun way to make money in this game?”

[@goobot829]

@@FlyntofRWBY mining fun& relaxing

[@alexzloy4655]

@Dracoth Begone if you don't consider it fun and relaxing, it doesnt mean that no one does. Stop being so egoistic

[@YodaWasSith]

@@FlyntofRWBY Mining is a ton of fun. Plus it's massively profitable. If you're not having fun, go play forknife.

[@Pratchet_]

I have a few thousand hours in elite and I’m itching for something to log in for, but the upkeep cost is a dealbreaker for me.

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

Same. 1500 hours, 5+bn for one, but I just cba as it forces me to return. Fuck that, if I want to take a break the game shouldn't punish me. Not to mention any other qualms about it...

[@pete5177]

Same. 2.8k hours and 7.6B credits.

[@markdielmann2726]

Upkeep is about 5% purchase cost per year. I don't think that's particularly high. I personally won't buy one until I also have the first year upkeep. Then I play when I want and don't have to worry about losing my ship.

[@EddieFreak]

Koot LTD mining I assume? I’m just getting into the mining biz and I pulled 100mil from subsurface Ltd in a single hotspot zone. Is laser mining more effective? Every asteroid I scan shows 0 ltd the only time I see it is on subsurface, surface, and cores. I feel like I’m missing something.

[@donatotusi9140]

@@EddieFreak how long did it take you for the 100mil? And which ship did you use?

[@sjonjones4009]

I couldn't care less about FCs, but I'll like and comment because it's OA. Cheers!

[@v44n7]

the problem is not the FC itself, but what can you do with them. Well, pretty much all ships in elite have that problem. They are boring AF. Even for the owner, FC is boring, you can't do anything. and for travelers if you go to a FC, is so dull and boring like watching a paint dry

[@wheatland8283]

Someone should setup like an “engineer taxi” for their fleet carrier, have a set schedule to the different parts of the galaxy that it jumps to weekly, That way players can get together and work on the grind without having to worry about those crazy distances. Kind of like @Darran Styler

[@FlecheDeFer]

What kind of grind requires to jump crazy distance? I only see Guardians. And you already have a mega-ship which does that jump for you.

[@Jechto1999]

@@FlecheDeFer Professor Palin requires a total travel distance from spawn of about 6000ly

[@simonin3d]

I'm a year late, but the Fleet Carrier Owners Club have this. They provide services to all sorts of places for free (including Engineering routes). Colonia, Sag A, etc. All the best.

[@JasonTheOneAndOnly]

im about 10 hours into my elite dangerous venture, gotta say after reading reviews i thought i would be getting bored by now but its growing on me.

[@Robd515]

I agree, it’s crazy how much it grows on you.

[@stain2901]

most people that complain have sunk many hundreds of hours into the game already. in fact elite is my most played game of all time with over 800h and i havent even played the game for almost a year now. the thing is just that the game constantly rewards you for your actions until it doesnt anymore, which is when you hit late-late game and when either your gameplay loops have nothing left to offer or the goals you have in mind require HUGE amounts of grind.

[@joelvarney5091]

I think it's the huge amounts of grind that eventually push most people away.

[@BRUXXUS]

Oh, you've EASILY got a few hundred more hours before you become as jaded as most long-term players. 😂 And, hopefully by then, Odyssey will be out! But seriously, *enjoy* it while it's still new. The first 100ish hours are the best. Take your time. Don't rush to become ultra-rich or buy that Anaconda, Cutter, or Corvette. My best memories of playing E:D over the years were when I was still finding my way and working my way up. I loved running missions to JUST be able to afford that new A-rated FSD, or doing some smuggling to pay for shield upgrades. Being excited to finally afford that Cobra I'd been working towards, but feeling a little sad to have to trade in my Adder to afford it. Those are where this game really shines, I think. I've had an engineered Cutter with Powerplay modules and all the bells and whistles for over a year now, and there's honestly nothing I really look forward to doing in the game anymore.

[@Robd515]

BRUXXUS I think you nailed it my man.

[@johnpooky84]

So...it's basically a Rent-A-Ship.

[@assassinaria]

Yeah well 1 carrier per system, right? Wouldn't make sense for inactive player carriers littering the map. You can make the upkeep costs back through the carrier itself.

[@Zarkaithnia]

With a nonrefundable deposit even though players are supposed to be outright buying them. Worthless ship

[@clydemactavish3457]

rent a station, more accurately

[@Hedgehobbit]

@@assassinaria "littering the map" is not an issue as Frontier can just make your carrier invisible if you haven't played in awhile. Upkeep is a complete scam.

[@rushr33]

Isn't it salary for the ai running it? Thats what owning a business is... salary, expenses etc I can't own a business without upkeep costs. Scam? Lol crazy statement

[@patchmoulton5438]

Honestly, if there were actual player factions or guilds that could share the cost and upkeep, I think FCs could work and wouldn't be such a deal breaker. Im not saying individual players shouldn't own one, Im just saying an actual guild system and allowing players a little more direct and immediate influence over the games universe would really breathe some new life into this game. Who knows, maybe we could actually expand the bubble with that direct player interaction

[@jana31415]

I wish a micro fleetcarrier. With only like 1 medium and 2 small landing pads. You can land them on large pads, it uses normal fuel, just with a huge fsd and landing pads

[@KalenTomlinson]

That would be cool if you could Land one on a planet. Could use your SRV to mine all day and sell your minerals. Odyssey might make that interesting as well.. I think before they add something like that they would need to update multi-crew so it's easier to connect with friends and also allow them to fly your ships. For personal use, I can see it being nice because i always find I'm swapping between at least two specific jobs anyway.. At least with your version you can actually pilot it!

[@abrotherinchrist]

This is what I was hoping for, a smaller option for people who just want to take a few ships with them, store some stuff and be able to refuel in an emergency. Buuut nope. This is for people who want to make this a career, literally. It took me 426 hours of gameplay to get to 1.5 billion credits. No way I'm playing another 1000 just to get a carrier, then have to play probably 15 hours a week just to keep it. Ridiculous, but we all knew it was going to be. No, I'm happy with my AspX and Phantom.

[@Mithguar]

1. Your sense of scale is wrong. A ship that can land on Large landing pad could maybe fit a small ship in. You should look up the biggest ship that hardly fits into mail slot, Type-10... But you can still get one of big ships, a fighter on it and so on. You don't want a carrier. You want Anaconda... or Type 10 or something. They have SRVs, Fighters.

[@Mithguar]

@@abrotherinchrist if you need 15 hours a week to earn 25 mil (max possible upkeep) then i have no clue what you do when playing. With mining, trade, even combat missions, 25 mil in an hour is easy. When optimising for profit, people easily do 100-500mil per hour. Base Upkeep is 5mil, with basic services it will be still under 10 mil per week. This is far from a grind. And you can always decommission it and get your 5bil back...

[@abrotherinchrist]

That doesn't actually sound that bad, but what about refueling? Doing missions? I've never heard of anyone making 500 mil/hr. The most I've ever made personally is about 80 mil, which is still pretty good. I don't do wing mining, though. I bet people make bank with that.

[@xman2008]

Man, I was hoping to get a small battle frigate, not some big ass station with upkeep.

[@xSoundDefense]

Now, here we are. No variants of carriers, upkeep for a mobile station.

[@joekilker6373]

Smaller versions would be cool, but pilots might expect them to actually move around in a system...

[@brandonedwards1181]

Ye lmao, I saved up enough creds for one but when they released that info I couldn't justify the purchase. I mean, space stations do that exact thing lmao why the fuck would I buy one to do the same thing as a station in a nearby system or a station that's down the road

[@joekilker6373]

@@brandonedwards1181 Actually, I was surprised to find that you *can* move in system. Not in super-cruise like ships, but for 5t you can jump from body to body, room permitting, which is useful in binary+ systems, even with warm up. I've done it three times, still working my way up to leaving the nest, while mining for tritium.

[@finneganlong6865]

Ikr

[@josa310]

FC looks like a fondation block to build upon, I hope that once they're integrated in the game frontier would revalue some of the restrictions and give us more freedom for customization. To be honest I haven't thought what I'm gonna do with FC, I'll give it a try and if I like it I'll figure something out

[@Maurilustrador]

I still don't understand Upkeep, I mean you owe someone for buying a fleet carrier? it's not 100% yours then. I would understand it if instead of debt the services would just stop working and the fleet carrier itself would shutdown. That's more logical, you don't owe anyone but people working on your carrier will no longer do so because you don't pay them for the services they're providing. But that mean you're carrier will not get decomissioned and therefore is yours, even if it's a piece of metal parts wandering through space, shut down. [Edit] also jump range should be upgradeable, 500ly jump it's not far enough if you can make a 300ly jump in an anaconda through neutron stars.

[@Maurilustrador]

cmdrs-toolbox.com/fleet-carrier-calculator Thanks to this though I know now that, if you have every service on, you can farm LTDs within a week or less and have enough money to run your fleet for more than a year.

[@ltcshow6175]

@@Maurilustrador Could you please explain LTD? Low temperature diamonds? It still is pay to rent not own so I'm against it for sure one week of how many hours a day farming?

[@fistsofsnake5475]

@@ltcshow6175 Just like you pay for repair and refueling your ship. And before you start with: but i don't loose my ship. yes you do if you don't pay rebuy.

[@ltcshow6175]

@@fistsofsnake5475 What are you going on about Fists of Snake???? You pay for repair if the SHIP YOU FLY gets damaged. You lose your ship if you don't have the funds to rebuy with insurance this one can't be lost read my other post I made in the comments. This was done really badly...

[@Scott-jt8ic]

You could just read why. The FC has a crew & captain, the more modules you unlock, the more crew it needs. You think the thing magically pilots itself? You think it magically refuels and repairs your ships when you land? You think the Ship yard and outfitting are operated by nothing? It's NPC crews (that you dont see lol). Pretty sure this was in the initial announcement

[@miyuedelfelt2676]

I mainly want one as a huge cargo transport, since just with current polymer prices and the 25,000 cargo space you would make more then 200,000,000 credits per round trip.

[@CMDRunematti]

thats not really that much, you could have it stationed next to a triple spot LTD ring tho, buy LTD for like 700k then jump to a station buying it for 1.2M, netting you 500k without having to mine at all

[@AbdullahBR_]

@@CMDRunematti It wasn't directed to me but really thanks for this info CMDR, I will re-install Elite this weekend and start my grind to complete the money for the FC and this must be just the way I will do it

[@CMDRunematti]

@@AbdullahBR_ oh no, mate, I'm only speculating that could be a good way, I haven't tried FCs at all yet! please treat this only as an idea to experiment with 😅 I would love to hear how it went tho! EDIT :also as far as I know, after jumping to the system you sell in, you have to ferry over all of that 25000 tons with your own ships, you can't sell from your carrier directly to stations!

[@TheCaptainCrack]

200mio/hour hmm... isnt that exactly what weve been doing at the LTD hotspot in Borann?

[@rogercoleman9715]

@@CMDRunematti except there wont be any known 3x hotspots. Iirc in beta the borann 3x was no longer there. So until we know whether they changed the spawn algorithm to not allow them or whether it was just an unintended butterfly effect from adding tritium that's not an option. May change on live but it wasn't there in beta.

[@franticuploader3668]

It'll be interesting to see how many people who buy one will still have it in 3 months or so.

[@Zarkaithnia]

Only the dedicated regular players. Silly mechanics these "running" costs which are basically payments to the game to keep it even though players are paying in full upon purchase...

[@SymbioteMullet]

I think they're going to fail as a concept, the running costs are too high and you can't really do that much with them. And the first time one needs to get fuel ratted will create a massive ragestorm, i bet.

[@phoenixrising4573]

Really a disappointment, I just started playing.... heard these being talked about, and was excited that we might be getting capital ship type combat ability.... but nah, not really worth it. Even with the money maker spots way outside the bubble, just not seeing 5billion+ upkeep.

[@Zarkaithnia]

There is Star Citizen which has capital ships..Okay only the 890 Jump, but the Hammerhead is close enough to capital ship combat

[@pizzamechman8380]

@@phoenixrising4573 5mil upkeep.Itz just five low temp diamonds.Aint hard

[@fcf8269]

#1 they require upkeep and as such you are forced to log in to keep the carrier. This was a dealbreaker for many people with a regular life that can't spend hours in game just to pay the upkeep, and play once in a while. You don't lose your anaconda if you don't play a month; which is an end game ship that you paid and saved to get, so why should you lose your carrier? They can despawn it for what I care; so I won't make profit while I am away

[@elroyscout]

I got mine and am using it as a mobile garage, a restocking station for Power Play ops/bounty hunting, and taxiing friends, squadmates and randos around. I love it!

[@drder]

While I have the money for one of these, I don't think I'll end up buying one, simply because I don't feel that I would be able to use it to it's fullest extent

[@chromedome7698]

My squadron is running a few organized ones if you would like to join! Saw the pfp! My username is bobcards!

[@rjohnson80100]

Im the same. I want one, but I dont play enough now to warrant it with all the upkeep costs. If they drop the price by about 1.5 bil I might do it. It would be nice if they offered different sized ones.

[@wildone106]

You could go to a star that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or a station that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or fight some NPC ships that look exactly like the last one you fought. So exciting.

[@wilfridsephiroth9213]

There's very little they can do, which a station you call home couldn't already do

[@Garryck-1]

Does it really matter if you won't use it to its fullest extent? The point is, if it's useful to you, if it serves some purpose that makes it worthwhile, why not get one? My current plan is to get one, use it to transport several of my ships to Colonia for the engineering I want to do to them there, transport them all back to the bubble again, then sell the carrier. One round trip instead of doing it half a dozen times. To me, that's good value.

[@tbaymufon6448]

Thanks ObsidianAnt! I was hitting refresh since this morning (Canada) waiting to hear from you!

[@marcofava]

Still trying to wrap my head around engineering so carriers will have to wait

[@NambininaRAKOTOMANDIMBY]

Same here 😂😂😂

[@emgee44]

Ditto. I've not played in years so there's lots to catch up on.

[@TheManlyVIK]

What's confusing about engineers? All you do is collect materials then go to the engineer and select the upgrade you want. It's not hard or complicated.

[@robgillespie8169]

Nothing confusing about it, just takes a shit ton of time.

[@pooppopppcodbf2653]

i still don’t understand 90% of this games features

[@lmaoroflcopter]

Fleet carriers: The Greyhound Bus of ED. Was amusing seeing them transporting folk in and out of the new LTD mining hotspots.

[@FlammeNoel]

5:07 Wear and Tear, until it is done.

[@HovisSteve]

Doesn't have the same ring to it.

[@Notmuhrealname]

And those who tasted the plasma of his blasters called him the elite slayer

[@jonasidas]

Wonderful video. It was to the point, very chill, and informative. Hopefully we will see many more like this.

[@runninsniper]

I was hyped for so long about these before they were actually introduced, up until they revealed that you'd have to pay upkeep. It's a deal breaker for me, I'd love to have one, but I want to HAVE one, not rent one. Maybe we can reverse engineer some thargoid tech to make a hybrid with one that runs itself for no upkeep...

[@p0k314COM]

Yesterday I was mining for 2 hours and made 30 millions - all with small ship. Carriers are *cheap* to use but extremely priced to rent.

[@runninsniper]

@@p0k314COM it's not just about the money, it's about the fact you're never actually going to own it.

[@p0k314COM]

@@runninsniper »but it is fully in-game design. IMHO it has some sense.

[@runninsniper]

@@p0k314COM I'd rather not be forced to come back all of the time, especially not after I pay such a huge lump sum. And upkeep has no place in video games imo. We're supposed to escape from reality, not go through tedious motions to get by, or do things like pay rent. It's not like it's a system that benefits anyone EXCEPT to keep player retention up. I'd argue it's a poor way to do so. People should be incetivised to play by what they can get, not by keeping what they already payed for.

[@KristjanKahur]

there's probably a team of people working on different systems on the carrier, that expect to be paid. One person cant operate a huge carrier. I think thats one reason why you have to pay the upkeep

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

Thank you for the informative video! Great quality content as usual :D

[@mikezbr]

I'm sitting on 1 billion credits. There is NO WAY I'll ever grind to 5 billion. MAYBE if there were no other games and I was unemployed 🤔

[@vicviper319]

With the LTD3 hotspot I was able to mine north of 500 million profit a day before the update. Hold out for another low temp diamond hotspot to be found my friend.

[@MapleLeafAce]

@@vicviper319 LTD got nerfed. They don't make nearly as much as they used to.

[@vicviper319]

@@MapleLeafAce We just need another triple. Areklici is still buying at 1,140,130 with decent demand

[@sebastiengoulet360]

@@vicviper319 same here i farm up to 8.2 billion fairly easy

[@timbatchelor1907]

Idk man I was in the triple hotspot before this update and couldn’t find LTDs any where I found like 5 asteroids max that had them. I don’t get how people got 500million worth the grind didn’t see worth it to me.

[@dougnorthcote3420]

Being 1000 light years out in the Guardian FSD system and seeing 10 or 12 carriers was SURREAL. And awesome as well.

[@emgee44]

No doubt the Fuel Rats will have one or two, what sight it'll be to see one coming to your rescue.

[@wilfridsephiroth9213]

Why would they though? A DBX Will reach the destination much, much faster. There's really nothing useful about these FCs, besides being large storage lockers.

[@owlangel7234]

You won't see it coming to rescue you as it will go into orbit at a random location around a selected orbital body in the system you ran out of fuel in. The rats are likely to position carriers in the far reaches of space for their members to base themselves at. I think it will make deep space ratting quite interesting

[@ventgoblin330]

I know im a year late but i did find one in deep space don't exactly remember where but it was out there

[@RubberStig]

Thanks for the list OA. Love the beautiful vistas you always have in the background of your discussion / list videos! I just don't understand why Fleet Carriers HAVE to be persistent. I have no interest in setting up a shipyard or commodities market. I just a way to move my personal fleet to where-ever I want to go in the black. As it is, I play too seldom to want to bother with all of this upkeep malarkey. so I'm not at all enthused about Fleet Carriers - despite the fact that I cannot actually afford to buy one to start with. Fleet Carriers feel more like a stab in the chest than an invitation to return to Elite Dangerous from Frontier. I really agree with The Yamiks.

[@DontFeedTrevor24]

This is very useful for those who don’t know about carriers. Great video

[@westonsaunders6460]

OA, been watching you for a few years now. My man, always on the money with your reviews. I know how much you like the feeling of new discovery that only comes with exploration. I'm with you on that one. Fdev really missed an opportunity here. FC's cost I can get my head around. They are big. It's the limited capability that will keep me from buying one. Just not enough new utility that I don't already have. The real kicker is they needed a longer jump range imo. A lot longer. Almost 6 years ago ED released and today we have only seen about 1% of the entire galaxy! C'mon, someone at Fdev should have done some math and allowed Fleet Carriers to bump that up to 10% or even 20%. Would that really have been to much to ask for? It's not too late. Just a code change. Anyway, never commented before but you asked and I answered. Cheers brother! Keep up the good work as always!

[@fistsofsnake5475]

Even if they give it 5000 ly range that wouldn't change much. People just fly in the same direction, so they would still explore around the same point.

[@JBGecko13yt]

good content, subscribed and added to playlist :)

[@KalenTomlinson]

I had a few ideas for them.. For buffing exploration, I was hoping maybe to help with travel times, you could eventually warp to Fleet carriers and send a bunch into deep space for world records or to setup fuel rat bases or something lol My other idea was trying to setup a fleet carrier specifically designed for charity for new players. Have it be stationed right outside Noob space and basically have a setup where players that have been playing since the beginning can give back to the noob community joining in on Odyssey. Or maybe give new players a goal?? Have a fleet carrier full of low temperature diamonds selling for cheap but have it move constantly outside the bubble like a merchant ship. Might be fun for the roleplaying aspects? But I hope they add more FC styles/classes and I'm curious what the livery customization will look like?

[@zephyrerazortail5478]

Haha if there's an endgame player that did it to me, seeing them owning such a massive beast and selling me one of the most expensive stuff for cheap, I'd definitely be interested in reaching that point and do the same. :D But the upkeep is a dealbreaker for me. I'd wanna own it, not rent it.

[@KalenTomlinson]

@@zephyrerazortail5478 Yeah if you're doing it for charity you would be renting it, but in order to sell Commodities the right way, FC's should be setup so basically it'll be paying for itself or even make huge profits, but that would take some planning and knowledge that I feel most players (including me) probably don't have. most players just look up online what the best places are to go anyway. I figure even after the release they're still going to need some changes and updates as we go on. Odyssey looks like it'll add fun gameplay loops and hopefully better ways to make money and that won't be an issue in the future.. I'll just keep complaining till they fix it lol

[@benni1015]

Imo the weekly upkeep has to go away. It's just doesn't feel good to know that your fleet carrier could be gone because you forgot it for a long time. I'm really interested in getting one to park it somewhere in mid of the galaxy or at some other special place. At best groups could organize player made Bubbles around Sagittarius a for example.

[@valgo8128]

Weekly upkeep is important but there exist other solutions.

[@KalenTomlinson]

I'm hoping with the right planning and set up, that they can basically pay for themselves? but I could be wrong.

[@Scott-jt8ic]

If it gets decommissioned you get a full refund

[@danielunsworth2437]

I agree with upkeep cost I mean you have to repair refuel and refill your normal ship so you would have to do the same with a portable space station

[@chrisevans2375]

Ok I finally subscribed . I am more of a rant person . So yeah Yamiks! ;) But your coolness and dedication to this game is astounding and so is your information. So keep up the good work regardless! Cheers.

[@ObsidianAnt]

Thanks! I'm also subbed to Yamiks btw. :)

[@mirandela777]

I think one of the most important thing about carriers is the fact they can work as a mobile storage unit - something very useful ! If I understand well, you can "unload" your cargo there, and you can store things ( the in-game market is volatile) ; best use is, in my opinion, for groups of players to join efforts and buy a carrier - if you divide the costs for 3 or 5 players, all become sudden very nice.

[@weizenbert0076]

Thanks for the Information😉

[@dmitrypetrov1909]

there are also carrier layouts on frontier store and paintjobs available

[@01Peebee10]

I parked at Diso last night. No messing around!!! 😁

[@Tired-Merc]

i remember like two or three days after getting this wonderful game, i saw one of these guys jump with a corvette escort, i think like 3 corvs were jumping with it absolutely the coolest thing i saw, besides a blue neutron star

[@owlangel7234]

Have you seen the layouts and paint jobs. Really nice surprise there! I fancy the Nautillus

[@Thegibsonownerr]

Tbh I can’t wait to get one, it’s what I have been wanting in this game for a while ! ( although a smaller / mid size one would be nice down the road, as well as player owned stations ) if anyone is looking for people to play with, I have a community of people that play it often and we almost have enough for a carrier, add me on steam with the same name if you are looking for chill adults to play with !

[@exiletsj2570]

Waiting for a new money maker so I can afford one, fdev.

[@793Force]

They keep nerfing them without providing a different and feasable option besides playing like it's your job.

[@Draknareth]

Is LTD mining not good enough? I make between 500 and 800 million per run.

[@assassinaria]

@@Draknareth Borann hotspot is gone. It will take months to find the next one.

[@Aura_Mancer]

@@assassinaria But that isn't on purpose. They had to in order to introduce Tritium spots.

[@Rena_Skuxy]

Well buddy boy, you missed out on the triple overlapping hot spot of Borann A2 for LTD. it’s gone now. It got me up to about 2.5 billion in assets. I’m still trying to upgrade my current ships and unlock engineering and get guardian tech so I kinda ran out of time by the time I started playing again :/

[@jakegreen6341]

I wonder about using a fleet carrier to do a rare commodities run? That massive cargo hold and jump range would come in handy

[@Loli_lover206]

I did that once, I collected a crap load of rare commodities and delivered them to colonia

[@2000johnwhite]

Great Video :-)

[@scaredpaul540]

I am waiting for small version FC...something with 2 large and two medium landing pads...smaller cargo bay and smaller price tag...without upkeek ofcourse 😉

[@TheRIkkyP]

Will fleet carriers be a good asset for space exploration? I’m new to the game and know pretty much nothing. Trying to learn and your videos are proving to be very useful.

[@HalNordmann]

Really wish to have another way to store my goods other than committing to an FC. Maybe renting a storage at a station, with upkeep proportional to amount stored?

[@dertseha]

As a regular pilot, I'm interested in simply docking at one carrier, and the next time I start up, I'm in a completely different part of the galaxy. Some fun adventure :) And then, after returning to where the carrier is expected, you find nothing and are stranded. Hey, a new business model, next to "fuel rats" there could be "rescue mules", picking up pilots far away...

[@BRUXXUS]

LOL! As someone that only plays Elite for a while every few months, this would be kind of interesting! I should hop in, find a carrier, dock at it, then be surprised to find out where I end up next time I log on. haha

[@KillsAll.]

You have done well

[@kolakevicius]

There can now be blockades of profitable systems for some random guild or whatever to abuse. Great idea.

[@seryphgaming]

Overall, I needed update, especially for long distance miners. I have a "personal" mining system outside the bubble that has both void opals and low temp diamonds in the same system, glad to know I can store the goods on my carrier instead of hauling a friend with me by force to store them, lol

[@OnePieceZoro36]

im either going to park the carrier at my FAV farming spot.. or most likely in Thargoid territory so when i need to farm up more mats i can have a place to chill. or better yet. Find that LTD hotspot and just fill the carrier up. jump to a high selling station and use my python to sell sell sell!!

[@pieguy6992]

I see a lot of people getting SUPER pissed about FC running costs, but it seems like they don't do their research. You can accumulate 250 million credits total debt. It costs 5 million credits per week to operate a completely unmodified, fresh-out-of-the-factory FC. That's 50 _weeks_ before it faces decommissioning, plus an additional week that you have at the end to pay off the debt; that's 51 weeks. A full, complete year is 52 weeks. You can essentially have an unmodified Fleet Carrier for a full year without paying anything except the initial 5 billion credits.

[@randomeda]

For those who don't already know: the FC update turned out to be awesome, which brought the mining community alive, and lots of player cooperating, doing taxi service and providing outfitting with their FCs as stations, and so on. Log in and check out whats going on in the "ICEBOX" COL 285 SECTOR CC-K A38-2. Search for "Xiba's Jewel" (4X SSD Rock) nicknamed "the egg". Elite was never this alive!

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

I manged to store 40 of my ships on each of my carriers ( 2 accounts) - the personal storage is easily missed thanks for showing where it is hidden

[@masterman3178]

I love ObsidianAnt.

[@SidDTheSimschannel]

I wish there was a way to see what commodities the fleet carrier is buying and or selling without having to land on a station close to it. Also another thing that may help is if they add active with course set and location it is jumping to. The fleet carrier when it don't have a course set will also have inactive indicator with how many days it has been sitting by there.

[@tomriley5790]

Have to say that I think a better alternative to upkeep would have been a maintenance system with things failing if not maintained and requirng mats and stuff (and ultimately a trip to a yard) to maintian them, actually think this would have been a good mechanic for repair limpets too...

[@kalebbruwer]

Now we need a way for players to initiate station construction, which will require large amounts of resources that can be delivered with fleet carriers. Delivered resources can be either donated or sold at whatever price the station owner sets. So in order to make a station you either need a lot of money or lead a popular cause. Edit: A station has an upkeep cost (in resources) even before it's complete, but once it is it can generate money from player and npc visits. It has inhabitants which can generate money for the owner in the form of taxes. The resource reserves of the station are filled by its commodity market. Prices can be set by the owner or left to automatically adjust so supply can meed demand. And it would be really nice if the owner can customize the station layout so stations can stop looking exactly the same.

[@Jeradactile]

I talked myself into getting one. I’ll just save up a billion or 2 for upkeep. And I would be set for a bit

[@stevelawrie9115]

Haven't played for several months now but from the outside it looks like you'd have to be pretty keen to own a fleet carrier.

[@benbaselet2026]

Looks like they just wanted to throw something cool in there for the billionaires to splurge on.

[@jonass1969]

Great vid! So if you are docked within a players Fleet Carrier and logged off (i.e quit ED) - what happens if the player decides to jump the Carrier to another system while you are offline, do you follow the carrier or are you left floating around at the spot where the Carrier was?

[@Dragonfyre.]

Why can’t I attack my own ship? lol. I OWN YOU!!!!!

[@BRUXXUS]

Technically.... you're only renting it... sooo..... Guess they don't want you damaging it for when they eventually REPO that thing. 🙄

[@fireblade274]

game made by libs

[@Witchsuki]

I might get back into elite with carriers now I love logistics its why I enjoy EVE so much, and star citizen is my chill game

[@HawkNutz84]

Point no. 18, There nothing but credit sinks! Seriously, What the hell is the point of FCs.. Seams like there just designed to take your money and keep you logging in with no real benefit, No new game play, No new reason to keep logging in and maintaining an FC. The ONLY reason to use an FC i can see that would be of any real use is to use it as an FOB when your out exploring.. Thats it, Does that justify spending 5bill and all the upkeep?

[@robblevins655]

Thanks for the great video. Can you share money with a wing group to purchase a fleet carrier? Or can you split the responsibility of the upkeep with a wing group?

[@sdflores1936]

Hope they consider this. How about enabling the fleet carrier do a system scan while docked on a different system? Hear me out this might sound game breaking but milky way is explored like below 1% only after all this years. Why not give fleet carriers a capability to scan neighboring star system with a range of say 1500ly. They can check what a star system is holding like how many earthlike worlds or ammonia world's it has. Or how many landable planet with geological or biological entity it has. Of course you would still need to go this system and do surface scan but this way cmdrs could save time by knowing which system to jump into.

[@therookieastronomerpetewal6023]

I was going to use one to transport all my ships to Colonia. I can only imagine transferring your ships 22kLY is probably pretty expensive, lol. Would also make the trip way less tedious.

[@bluequiltedness]

Wear and tear, if kept in the game at all, should be fixable by means other than just paying to fix them - similar to how explorers can repair with AFMUs/hull repair limpets and synthesis. This would help deep space carrier owners immensely

[@THEmobius77]

Most games have really appealing end game goals. Elite, nah lets make em rent a ship with an initial massive kick in the balls.

[@KalenTomlinson]

Yeah I was personally a little bit disappointed with the beta hopefully they add like, giant Capital ships for war? but it's still gonna cost a lot of money.. With the way Frontier treats combat missions I would say it would cost twice as much for a warship if not more. In theory you could possibly passively make money if you set it up right, but it's kind of boring for me personally.

[@cmdrgarbage1895]

There is no end game for the player because the player is not an important person in the Elite universe

[@bumbarabun]

How you can determine what particular carrier would provide if you land? What I can only see currently is "Local Activity" and not sure that related.

[@RGS1970]

oh, well thanks anyway, I already got it from here. What I not certain if I can do remote management, like buying a carrier in colonia and managing that carrier from somewhere else to pay the fees, transfer the money to the carrier bank and so on.

[@therookieastronomerpetewal6023]

Can you supercharge your FSD with exotic matter from neutron stars like you can with ships? I didn't realise there was a charge time and cookdown time. Being able to make 1500LY jumps would make it more worth while. Colonia would only take about 15-16 jumps 🙂

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

:/ i wish there was a way to command the carrier itself. Maybe even somehow have the weapon systems manually aimed by docked players.

[@grzegorzoleksa7759]

One of the most highly anticipated updates that nobody needs in its present form.

[@ubernagash]

brilent you answer some question, on thing, though i did watch a dev talk abuot NPC using to buy and sell from the ship is the implomented?

[@RGS1970]

thank you, could write down on your video maintenance cost depend on the amount of service and how much do you pay to activate any extra service as initial cost if you have them? plus the cost of the fuel to jump. Thanks again

[@ObsidianAnt]

As I mentioned in the video, the upkeep costs are linked in the description. :)

[@RGS1970]

@@ObsidianAnt Indeed as I mentioned on the next reply just few minutes after this one. Thank you. :)

[@shadowandtomnlabgame3276]

Nice vidio

[@ChaosXOtaku]

i wont be getting one until they removed the up keep costs

[@Zynueffe]

I could not agree more.

[@brandonmunsen6035]

Fr. Deleting this game until then

[@Nadayan]

It's not that hard to make 5 million nowadays

[@Mithguar]

@@Nadayan 2 assasination missions. You can make that much in like 15 min without even trying and optimising for anything.

[@Nadayan]

@@Mithguar I just bounty hunt and make like 100m when I stack missions

[@deckardcain9789]

I used the Beta wisely. I located an area with multiple mining systems thousands of light years out. Going to stiff a carrier full of goodies and see if I can single handedly kill the markets for $$$ minerals.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Fleet carriers are kind of cool, but I want more gameplay around them. Maybe they will have more relevance when the next big update comes.

[@Beef1188]

For the fleet carrier to store an unlimited number of ships is immersion breaking!

[@Ziplock9000]

On the surface they sounds useful.. But if you dig deeper what are they actually useful for? Just a shop front? Can they be used as a mining drop off point for multiple mining rigs like in Eve?

[@Striker9]

I hope more people get fleet carriers and basicky start putting refuel and repair and cartographic scattered through the black

[@billytsoulogiannis7564]

basically if you want to do a deep space exploration with all your ships, you still need to earn money to transfer and pay it, thus you need to have 1 account with a medium cargo ship (Python) to stay behind as you will not be able to go along on the journey as you must remain behind and pay the bills. Then have a second account to that will travel with the carrier....... thats what I picked up from this video.

[@bill8791]

Only Frontier could develop such a great feature then ruin it with arbitary decisions to remove any possible fun.

[@kyles3334]

this is great for players that have more than enough to pay for it and do the upkeep

[@leewilson98]

There really seems to be a bit of battlestar Galactica feel to these carriers given the jump limit and fuel requirements. Got this vision of having to do some tritium mining whilst under cylon (sorry pirate) attack.

[@picsmics4]

How does commodity market work? When players want to sell something to my FC, do I have to pay out of my pocket to buy?

[@fuzzlewuzzle9388]

The only way I could see carriers being “fun”, is if a group of friends contributed to the upkeep & buy in price. I’m an outsider to ED, but are their groups like guilds? It would be cool if a group of 10 or 20 plus players could split the cost & vote when & where the carrier jumps to. Specialized & different carrier sizes would be more accessible. Such as a small carrier with just 1 large landing pad, repair, & refueling services. A carrier that is used only to haul ores & trade goods or one used like as a player marketplace. As I said before, I’ve never played & can’t play ED, so my ideas may be very unrealistic. However, ED seems to have a very passionate & constructively vocal community. If any community could vocalize their concerns & ideas into results, I believe it would be the Elite Dangerous community. I wouldn’t expect carrier changes until awhile after the launch of Odyssey. Thank you commanders for your time.

[@Naro_Rivers]

I wonder if the Fuel Rats have any carriers and how useful they would be to the cause.

[@ChaosContrl]

I am realizing now that Odyssey's new UI is exactly the same as the Fleet Carriers'.