Lets Discuss that God of War Image of Thor

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- The Saga of Olaf Tryggvason - Oddr Snorrason
- The Saga of Grettir the Strong
- Poetic Edda
- Prose Edda - Snorri
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00:00 - Intro
00:18 - Thicc Thor - Why so mad?
01:49 - The Myths
04:32 - Thor in Art
06:11 - Hungry Boi - Thor the Strongman
08:27 - Marvels Thor
08:52 - Does Image Really Matter?
10:10 - Thor in Valhalla (Danish Movie)
11:02 - GoW Ragnarok
music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
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[@CapriUni]

Thor is (to oversimplify things) a thunder god. And I have *never* seen a thin cumulonimbus cloud. Just saying.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

You might be on to something there….

[@j3tztbassman123]

Probably on to something weighty, but ephemeral.

[@gatonegroloco]

This makes me fear for the phrase “all thunder no lightning”

[@O-san4]

clouds be lookin thicc right now

[@kylejohnson3105]

Thor, God of clouds

[@SentinelPrimal]

When Mimir described Thor as a “fat dauber,”I thought he was being hyperbolic. Turns out he was being literal.

[@ColdNorth0628]

I did too. Honestly it is dumb for people to take it literally until now.

[@spencersegler]

I thought he exaggerated Thor's build. I imagined a husky strong build. Much like how he turned out but less round and more square I guess.

[@randomrealistictone2231]

Strongman thor

[@gumbi5612]

@@spencersegler Even though we are used to seeing the pretty boy Chris Hemsworth as the Thor in Marvel movies, but in Norse mythology, Thor is described as a barrel-chested ugly man. So, the God of War: Ragnarok version of Thor is actually a more accurate depiction of what he looked like in Norse mythology to tell u the truth bro lol😂just saying🤷‍♂️

[@0predaking0]

Hyperbolic his stomach???

[@bengopalmi80]

About casting him as a villain: God of War has always been about switching perspectives on Mythology, the entire Greek pantheon is portrayed as devious and manipulative. We are always shown the worst of the gods and Thor won’t be any different

[@aserta]

Still better than the current main god in representation and imagination.

[@bengopalmi80]

@@MadeUpNoun not really, only Zeus is ever really devious, just as the human characters in most stories. Gods are flawed but Zeus is just a big ol’ bastard. Plus, in the new God of War, the only God who isn’t devious is Loki, see what they did there?

[@metoo3342]

@@bengopalmi80 Besides that split personality he had where he killed Modi and talked about how superior he was as a god.

[@bengopalmi80]

@@metoo3342 Yea but he obviously wasn’t himself when that happened. When they see the scene again in Hel, Atreus himself can’t believe what he’s seeing

[@blaniac6591]

@@bengopalmi80 who’s to say who he really is? Both personalities are about as real as a knife to the throat.

[@gonebytrain]

As a Norwegian, this is the image of Thor I grew up with. Red head and a huge belly. Whoever claims this is disrespectful towards culture and stuff needs to check their sources. Marvel on the other hand is way different from the “cultural” image of Thor. 😅🤣 loves both versions, but Marvel is very different from the original tales and image of the Norse characters, Marvel Thor is American, that’s also why he is pictured differently than Thor in Scandinavian comics. It’s a different purpose and sales point.

[@0nullnil]

I'm American and I agree 100%

[@PaulKMF1]

From what I've read, Jack Kirby patterned his Thor after his older brother. And yeah, his brother had long blond hair in the 1920s.

[@thunderhornmitchell7532]

Yes I agree and I am all for the bigger Thor

[@VisceralCarbon]

He was never accurately depicted as fat from what historians say, only that he had a huge appetite.. the game is going for him letting himself go after all those years of killing

[@plantemor]

I think the belly should have been a bit more of a square to fit the way I picture Thor, but I do agree that he has always been a big boy. Marvel's Thor is a Calvin Klein model, not a thunder God, lol. Thor is the rough kind of handsome and that includes some fat on top of those big muscles. I still think Peter Madsens Valhalla is close to the perfect depiction of how I see Thor, even if the style is a little cute. That body type is how I see Thor.

[@BarryB.Benson]

“Offended on a cultural level” *says the kids who have only ever seen Thor in avengers*

[@-Yahiko-]

True 💯

[@young-011-5]

Indeed lol

[@net343]

Even there Thor was fat

[@shathaan1763]

bruh

[@devilpupbear09]

Can you blame them? No one cared about Norse Mythology till the Marvel god came

[@Hafragrautur1]

As an Icelander this is a much better depiction of Þór than most others

[@castillogrande8926]

I þink þe English language should bring back þe letter þ. It just deserves to come back.

[@xx_underoosyt_xx3127]

🅱️or

[@Hafragrautur1]

@@castillogrande8926 Anything else? (þ æ ð ö ó ú á é ý í) :P

[@murattyngo]

@@Hafragrautur1 ç, ü, ş, ğ

[@castillogrande8926]

@@Hafragrautur1 maybe đ...

[@SalvationCode]

His appearance makes perfect sense within the context of the game, too. He's framed as a psychopathic, petulant brute that's carved a path of destruction and pain across many of the different realms. You even get to see some of his poor victims, like Thamur. So a guy capable of so many fucked up feats of strength *has* to look that big and imposing. He just needs better-looking armor, like what he showed up in at the end of GOW4.

[@Malimber]

Plus he's not fighting humanity. Kratos and atreus are gods not human. They killed his sons. He would want revenge.

[@hovsep56]

Being fat = bad guy lol

[@SalvationCode]

@@hovsep56 More like being big and inhumanly strong = able to kill fucktons of people and cause irreparable damage to the entire world.

[@xeox4280]

No

[@YaBoiDoi]

wait what did he do to thamur

[@realsanmer]

Regarding the lack of gut armor, my take is that this version of Thor seems to be extremely cocky: so much so that he doesn't protect his gut simply because he doesn't think anyone is strong enough to hurt him.

[@Mfkz_imw]

Hahahaha

[@einehrenmann6156]

Guy killed an entire Species with a Hammer. He has an Ego the size of Thamur.

[@jcshark7023]

It’s the same reason as to why kratos doesn’t protect his vitals, probably has healing abilities of the same kind and they’re both cocky because of that. Kratos has wiped out a whole a pantheon so he’s right to be cocky but Thor is just arrogant

[@bandawin18]

@@jcshark7023 I'm willing to bet Kratos will expose his gut as his weakness in their first fight, and then Thor will get away somehow and be embarrassed, then come back later on with actual armor Okay after watching a lot of gow theory videos I'm pretty sure Thor's gonna whoop Kratos' ass in their first fight

[@orthoforshort7593]

@@jcshark7023 yes Thor is arrogant but Thor has proven his power similar more likely higher than that of any other god

[@hatihrovitnisson6269]

Plot twist, Thor just wants to help Kratos build up his house and arm wrestle him after a nice dinner with him and Boy

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

You seem like a calm and reasonable person. Are you a calm and reasonable person?

[@Historian474]

What if Thor eats boy?

[@vittoriolasam912]

@@Historian474 Then Thor would need some explaining to do with the FBI

[@thor1378]

@@vittoriolasam912 omfg

[@danielsatter1805]

Because he relieved him of his douche bag sons... sounds plausible

[@benformation8123]

In Norse Mythology, there are depictions of Thor being rather large. I think his depiction in the Marvel universe has altered people's view on the character. While it's a good performance, it's an inaccurate depiction of Norse Mythology. This one is truer to the source material.

[@winterxiii]

While I have no problem with this depiction of Thor and find it quite refreshing-to say it's truer to Norse mythology because he is large is false in accordance to this channel's words as well as other Norse Mythology historians. The only actual detail they give him in the texts are that his hair and beard are red. This means that GoW's version is definitely more accurate as he has red hair, but that's it; it's nothing about size.

[@navigatingel6104]

Source? Where is this?

[@benformation8123]

@@navigatingel6104 Well, I can't give you a direct source to the entirety of all Norse Mythology, but there are videos you can search about Thor in NM that depict him in a similar light to how they are depicting him in GOW: Ragnarok.

[@benformation8123]

@@winterxiii No doubt that it's not completely true to Norse Mythology, I was merely stating that it was truer than Marvel's depiction.

[@firdanharbima6997]

@@benformation8123 but still maybe it's just the art not the actual game itself but BOI does his guts a literal biggest target to hit

[@elijahgrimm8052]

He's built like a power lifter, one of those huge, massively strong...well, strongmen. None of them are skinny at all, after all and I think it's good that they depict him like that.

[@libbym8910]

i agree with you 100% the strongest men in the world look like this tyson fury in my opinion the best boxer in the world right now looks like this. people are obsessed with big shredded dudes with muscles and abs i like it too it's a change from what we have been lead to believe what a strong person should look like

[@jerubaal101]

No they don't. This pretending to be reasonable and then saying lies really ticks me off because you have to know how wrong you are. This guy is a lardass. Tyson Fury was only as fat as he was when he was drinking beer and doing drugs. He doesn't look anywhere like this on gameday. Hafthor Bjornson and Brian Shaw look nothing like this. Eddie Hall at his fattest wasn't this much of a lardass.

[@elijahgrimm8052]

@@jerubaal101 That's a lot of very specific and insecure anger coming from your end. Did you lose a girlfriend to a bigger guy?

[@cbv7207]

@@elijahgrimm8052 He is right tho. Thinking that a Norse dude more than 1000 years ago had any idea of what strongmen diets and training were like is laughable, not to mention most of them have bloated guts due to steroid abuse. Instead of going into these philosophical debates on how he looked like, just take a look at norse idols of Thor and remains that were found, none of them depict him as fat. Not only that, take a look at any other Indo-European god of thunder/strength, none of them are depicted as fat.

[@BaeBunni]

@@cbv7207 ​ What are you talking about. They might not know the specifics or the reasoning but they did have an general understanding about a protein and carbohydrate heavy diet help build muscle, put on weight and allowed them to physical preform for long stretches' of time. Having that gut puts more momentum into swing. Now his gut is definitely exaggerated, but his body type was more likely the norm then the exception.

[@Arei1283]

Thor in the MCU: Brave, handsome, strong Thor in GOW: ruthless, brutal, cruel, strong, hulking, merciless, and menacing

[@Alex_FRD]

"Oh my God, why isn't the hedonistic Nordic god Thor a hunky Australian man?!?!"

[@Captain_-cn4ml]

Gow Thor still looks like he can slap the shit out of anyone. One slap and you are flying away. Imagine if he slapped baldur. Dude would've travelled all the realms. Lmao.

[@SquaredbyX]

Tell us why please

[@shadower227]

@@SquaredbyX ever seen the champions of slapping? They are some BIG Bois

[@Captain_-cn4ml]

@@SquaredbyX Search up moistcritikal's video on vassili kamatski slapping champion. Then you will realise what I am talking about.

[@sammysalgado1475]

@@Captain_-cn4ml he looks like a power lifter,seems fitting he'd be incredibly strong

[@serbiansauvage]

The comparison to Strongman athletes is extremely accurate as to why this design and interpretation can absolutely work.

[@tacotimefortwo732]

Except he doesn't have the chest muscles strongmen have. It was jarring to see this at first imo but I've grown to kinda like it but strongman, while close, is not it.

[@joynelbonet194]

Anything can work, you could depict him like a grandma and still work. Wasn't Baldur skinny as fuck and still on par with Kratos's strength? I guess people are attempting to use logic in the physique and strength when none got physiques that match. Kratos beaten people way bigger than him before, Hercules was twice his size and to the Titans he was an ant.

[@MrSandman610]

@@joynelbonet194 Baldur was on Kratos level because of his speed not strength

[@averagecarpentryskills7148]

Strong men don't fight on the battlefield. They would easily get exhausted and be killed.

[@BonzerMrT]

@@MrSandman610 did you forget how they both pushed part of a mountain together? He definitely was smacking Kratos around at first and he still has super strength

[@deviant_ghost]

This Thor looks like a dude that actually sat at the feasting tables of Valhalla in between great battles. Also, if you watch shows about the world's strongest men you'll notice that this Thor has a similar build to them. It's about strength, rather than appearances. Also, I think when Avenger's Thor gets chubby in End Game it was sort of suppose to be a nod to actual nordic lore regarding Thor's true appearance.

[@deadplthebadass21]

he's not a dude you're a dude this is a man

[@charliethegent]

@@deadplthebadass21 cringe comment

[@deadplthebadass21]

@@charliethegent It's a joke... people have different taste in jokes, so I'm not going to get on you for that... BUT all because you don't think something is funny don't mean you have shame or make it seem like someone is "cringe" because they think something funny.... Just have fun and laugh or shut up and move on to something you think is funny.... have a great year my friend

[@charliethegent]

@@deadplthebadass21 oof a whole paragraph in response to a two word comment....cringe

[@deadplthebadass21]

@@charliethegent you still missed the whole point of it too.... Wow My friend.. Instead of calling someone cringe.. you could be putting your attention to something you do not think is cringe the only reason why it a paragraph is because I was trying to give you *ADVICE* which you ignorantly called cringe and it's even more cringe that you're calling good advice cringe... the irony.... but how do you benefit from calling someone cringe anyway *HAVE A GREAT YEAR MY FRIEND*

[@0michelleki020]

In Norse myths, Thor is often called Thor the Red because he's a redhead so they got that right. In the Scandinavian comics "Valhalla" Thor is depicted as a burly guy, so maybe some devs have taken inspiration from there.

[@ls200076]

@@agadirand4four347 Forsake all religion? That's not how Humanity works.

[@devon8438]

Your right about everything else, but when a Nord says someting is 'red' they typically mean they are quick to a fight

[@kissme1518]

Volstagg from Marvel who is Thor's friend is what Thor would have looked like.

[@folklore6703]

@@devon8438 Thor is an ugly red head in the myths.

[@devon8438]

@@folklore6703 He is irl too. Im trippin balls on penis envy and praying to him right now

[@shark8888]

Since Kratos killed his sons, traveled to hell and back, and killed baldur, it is safe to say that kratos is a threat to Midgard and Asgard in Thor’s eyes.

[@monotonexylophone1623]

*Hel

[@walkmansart]

And the fact that Atreus is half Jötunn and one of the few Jötunn's left could be a threat to Asgard as they were seen as a threat worth eradicating at the end of GOW 2018.

[@MikkoSimila]

Then Thor tries to fight Kratos, but he is too lazy, fat and drunk so Kratos kills Thor as a tutorial boss In upcoming God of War game. 😂 Edit: Make it happen and I buy Playstation just for that.

[@viniciusferrari2653]

@@MikkoSimila if you think that about his body type, I suggest you get into a fist fight with any power lifter in your city. i would love to see you getting smacked

[@MikkoSimila]

@@viniciusferrari2653 woah. What a butthurt toxic fanboy. Chill.

[@irishrox6767]

To me, this depiction of Thor feels extremely accurate and realistic. He's got that 'Eddie Hall-ish' extreme strongman build, and seems like the kind of guy who could pick someone clean off the floor with one hand. Armor wise, although the armor isn't extremely practical, I feel like that is also extremely thematic. Thor has always been portrayed as foolhardy and bullheaded, so the wide open area in the chest could be a 'I gave you this much vulnerable area yet you can't kill me' kind of thing. He also shouldn't be built like Kratos, as the Norse ideal body is different from the Greek. Greek was all about form, while Norse was all about sheer strength. Just feels like it hit all the points for me

[@JG-ce3pu]

While I agree with you, I wouldn't mind him having more "God-like" physical features, something that just makes him something more than a human with a strongman build. I don't know about what his height will be; if he were to be taller than Kratos with this build, I would gladly accept it.

[@cazred7882]

@@cthulhucrews6602 hope so

[@CelestialDraconis]

@@JG-ce3pu Even Modi was slightly taller than Kratos, and judging from his in-game model at the "secret" cutscene in GoW (2018), Thor is also taller.

[@MereCashmere]

This is the way

[@Eirud]

@@cthulhucrews6602 And Baldur was a foot shorter than Kratos, so Thor might just be a bowling ball of a man.

[@warandpoetry9542]

Gotta say, I love this depiction of Thor; a red bearded, cauldron bellied strongman. He looks like his laugh would be like rolling thunder.

[@greyngreyer5]

Never described as red. Edda says his beard is golden

[@Dice_roller]

​@@greyngreyer5It is described to be red in Þórr's alias / title of "Rauðskeggr".

[@kubomrazik9199]

As JF Caron said: "Sixpack is not a sign of strength, It's just a sign that you don't eat enough."

[@tristanband4003]

This is something that should be repeated; if you have a hard, visible six-pack? With no subcutaneous fat? You're not fit, you're undernourished with a muscular frame you don't have the stored energy to fuel properly. Oh, and you're going to get sick really often.

[@toughboi]

@@tristanband4003 thats cap, i have a visible 6 pack and havent got sick in years, tbh you just sound mad you dont have one, just like any other muscle group you have to work to get abs and also watch your diet

[@tristanband4003]

@@toughboi Whatever, I don't even want one

[@ulfenburg7539]

@@toughboi that literally not a hard cap. If you want to become a strongman you basically need the belly for the lifts.

[@ulfenburg7539]

@Galactass there is a reason why all of them have a belly it gives an advantage

[@Leo_Zackular_Art]

I love the idea of a god being so spoiled and overpowered that they just drink and feast all day, it shows the mindset of gods in the GOW universe

[@WVRLORD]

That’s even the depiction of a lot of them in the Myths as well

[@C1umsyJester]

Also if you’re very muscly it will give you a lot of energy, but if you’re a god you’ll never tire in that regard. So just having pure mass for power is acc pretty sick idea

[@khalifrhodes9503]

I mean people look far bigger than Thor without god powers so it makes sense.

[@aserta]

Gods IRL actually. They exist as beings of power, not humans with power. People confuse what GOW is about, what the main character was and is about. Most have not a clue.

[@alaljarensi6990]

@@aserta The actual meaning or your opinion. In God of War all the gods are very human in their motivations. Kratos is driven by rage and despair in most of the games, and betrayed when he is tricked to slaughter his family. But when he's put in a position of authority like a general of Sparta or the new God of War, he becomes drunk with power. He is lustful, temperamental, prideful and only has a mild soft spot for children that remind him of his first daughter. Regardless of all of that, he won't hesitate to destroy a city or and all of humanity to pursue his own goals. Once he leaves the world of the Greek pantheon in ruins, he hates all the gods including himself. When he moves to the world of the Norse mythology he wants to live the simple life of a human putting his past behind him including his power. It's a struggle of what it means to be a man, a father and a force of chaos.

[@blue-eclipse9365]

From dialogue from Mimir about him being a “Fat gobber” to his overeating as well as drinking that is referenced throughout the game, and given what you said. I think this is as good an actual adaptation can be.

[@femthingevelyn]

it's also very funny because we see Thor in the secret ending of the 2018 game, and he's not exactly a small guy in that cutscene, and theres screenshots of where people brightened up the scene and he's a big guy, the only real change from 2018 to now is he doesn't have armor on his chest anymore

[@blue-eclipse9365]

@@femthingevelyn fair point

[@maaax5092]

I wouldnt mind if he was fat, but in this pic his stomach is just wayyy too highlighted

[@femthingevelyn]

@@maaax5092 I mean yeah the fact that it's unarmored does draw attention to it because his skin being lighter than his armor provides a lot of contrast, but I feel like that's probably going to be more a product of his character than to draw attention to his weight

[@blue-eclipse9365]

@@maaax5092 I think it sorks.

[@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495]

To be fair, you don’t really need chest armour when you’re too thicc for any blade to cut deep enough. Also regeneration helps too. Baldur, even when mortal, was a twig much weaker than Thor and it took SOOO much to take him down. Kratos too; gets stabbed through his torso and just keeps going. Gods are almost unstoppable.

[@blood12wolf13]

I would love to see a follow up video on how Thor is in the game now that’s it been out for awhile.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I need to play the game lol. I’ll jump into it soon.

[@varun9645]

With the amount of mead and ale he drinks,it would be surprising if he was as fit as Hemsworth. I drink a few beers a day and I have a similar belly,so I think it's a pretty accurate representation just based off on a logical perspective.

[@quasimonk]

i mean he does look like hemsworht....in the last movie

[@instantheadshot3324]

Can gods get fat? U can't just assume he's fat just because he eats alot. Also there are no mentions in the myths that he's fat and old paintings of Thor all show him with an average build.

[@JGMortalKnight95]

🤨Fat Thor was in Endgame so I wasn't that surprised by the God of War Ragnarok version of Thor⚡

[@DragonTamer31K]

@@instantheadshot3324 The original text (Poetic Edda) Odin is the only one actually described and even then the Edda book is transled from multiple tales and poems and the creator moreso just kinda filled in the blanks. Plus throughout history depictions of people change alot: for example, Napoleon wasn't actually that short he was apparently normal height. Also Stalin is actually 5'5 but some people think he's really tall

[@varun9645]

@@instantheadshot3324 thats the thing about the Norse gods. They are like normal men. They aren't immortal like the gods of other mythologies .Otherwise Ragnarok wouldn't have been so devastating as it was. And I assume as normal men,they can get fat

[@Yann2703]

Thor is not only considered the thunder god, and therefore basically needs a big belly to shout with his guttural thunderous voice, but also the god of rich harvests which lets me assume this is a sign of wealth.

[@HydraSpectre1138]

Thor is more like a realistic strong physique that is fat but also very muscular unlike most stereotypical muscular physiques.

[@jonasribeiro2001]

That aint myhologically accurate

[@jev2359]

@@jonasribeiro2001 maybe he retired, just look at the Thor statue the world serpent bit.

[@hodgindaylon]

@@HydraSpectre1138 I'm not sitting here watching world's strongest man competitions all the time but I can tell you that over the past 10 years I've been watching people like juji mufu And the mountain and Eddie hall and no one in Any of the strongest man competitions I've seen even arm wrestling challenges were not nearly that fat. it's one thing to have a belly it's another thing to look like you've been drinking for 30 years

[@miguelpereirasilva7662]

Thor is the god of thunder

[@deadantagonist5743]

"Find a way, or make one" has become my favorite motto in 2022

[@BreakingPhobia103]

This was very informative and very interesting! Thank you for taking the time to make this!

[@strykar_wolf]

Honestly, my first thought was "Where's the chest hair" but now it's "Why is this warrior not protecting his vitals" thanks for that Ocean! :P

[@HippocritterXD]

Because even his vitals are lethal🤣

[@rynegreen7902]

Why doesn’t Kratos do that? Or really any of the gods for that matter. If I recall correctly the only god who wore a lot of armor in God of War was ares

[@katakurifan5213]

Because he is likely arrogant and doesn't think he needs protection

[@thefeatherbird_]

His model in the cutscene is fully covered. I dont think this is his usual fighting setup, i imagine we'll encounter him more than once in the game and the image shown here could be of him off his guard and not ready to battle, or he got really drunk and came down to woop kratos ass without thinking to put some armor on first

[@ReverseFlashFangirl]

Good point, why the fuck IS his stomach out

[@yokotubene]

Just so you know, Thor is portrayed as a serial killer in God of War based on Mimir's stories. He mostly kills giants, and he enjoys it. Giants are portrayed as the "good guys." However, we know this from the giants' perspective. We may see it from the gods' perspective in this sequel.

[@sonkeschmidt2027]

@@blackbloom8552 I feel that is what makes this series, at least the reboot distinctly interesting. At a time where we like to escape into power fantasies, where we make gods mortal by calling them superheroes, this is a nice antithesis to remind us that idealisation becomes corrupted really fast. It's one thing to dream of having super powers and be the good guy. It's another to face one's own reality and accept that one wouldn't be the good guy when one gets these superpowers because of you aren't the pinnacle of morality in ordinary life, why would you be with superpowers? All that would do is to amplify your best but also your worst behaviour and make it much more extreme. God of war is a good reminder of that and I believe that people don't like that. They want escapism, not facing reality in their fantasies.

[@Manudyne]

@@sonkeschmidt2027 I'd do whatever I want really. I wouldn't be a superhero

[@Mastervading4306]

@@Manudyne Same, If I had say, supermans powers, I would takeover earth.

[@elledy92]

+Yokotubene It is strongly suggested that he killed his own mother, a giantess.

[@robertmathu366]

@@sonkeschmidt2027 bro that response is deep and shows a lot of self awareness! Right on

[@clarenceyax8117]

There was a sort of grim moral ambiguity of Baldur in God of War. You know him to be bad, but you also know his circumstances and the world in general doesn't seem pleasant, not with Odin around. At the end of the day, he was more or less the bad guy, but they made you think. I would be severely disappointed if Thor didn't at least get that after hyping him and Odin up so much.

[@UltaFlame]

Thoughts now that its out?

[@clarenceyax8117]

@@UltaFlame I am on PC and haven't watched any gameplay yet, but once I get a chance to consume some of that sweet entertainment, I will get back to you

[@Thorin_Black]

Came for the God of War thumbnail, stayed for the outstanding knowledge of the sagas. Really appreciated your breakdown and discussion; and can't wait to get stuck into more of your other videos

[@Movieplayer112]

My initial reaction was: "Oh yeah, the ase are known for drinking and eating a lot, but also, a strongman body isn't all tight protruding muscle." This Thor looks like Eddie Hall. He looks like an actual heavy weight lifter. Also, keep in mind that he's in relaxed stance, not tightening his muscles.

[@Eirud]

Except Eddie Hall actually has obviously visible muscle and overbearing strength. This Thor literally looks a fat guy who has only lifted potato chips and beer into his mouth his entire life instead of any form of weight. You cannot look at a picture of Eddie Hall and tell me there are any similarities in physique outside of the fact that Eddie has a wide gut. Eddie's pecs are massive, his biceps are defined and peaked, he has rounded shoulders, and you can see his abs on his large core. This Thor has zero pecs, and absolutely zero muscular definition or sign of muscle. People keep comparing him to a power lifter in physique which is entirely false as most power lifters are relatively balanced, but also higher weight power lifters LOOK strong. This Thor just looks like a 'God' of eating competitions. Which is fine. He doesn't have to be jacked to the teeth, but for the love of god stop saying he looks 'strong' like this. It's embarrassingly inaccurate and makes it very obvious you have zero knowledge about human anatomy or any form of competition physique for any kind of weight lifting.

[@Shabanezloth]

@@Eirud Pretty much my take. I'm fine with this design, he definitely looks menacing, but people need to stop saying he has a strongman look, it's not even close. I'd like him to keep the gut but have his chest and arms pop out more. He doesn't look like Eddie Hall at all as he is.

[@guyriley3452]

@@Eirud PREACH I've been in the trenches of this debate. and its actually sad that so many people dont know anatomy. and assume mass=strength when the only way to get strength like that is through muscle tissue, adipose tissue is literally just an extra layer and doesn't contract to provide extra strength, they see thicc boi=strongman. Fuck loot at Eddy Hall pre cut and after cut, he still has PHAT titty definition that thor completely lacks.

[@themaster804]

You are talking about current Eddie hall. The Eddie hall that competed in the strongman looked fat with next to no definition. His stomach was bulging and his arms were puffy. Eddie hall now has more definition but he's also 40 plus pounds lighter than he previously was.

[@midas01tw]

@@Eirud eddie cutted lots of fat after his prime look up older pics man he looks the same

[@soldyrkare5790]

I honestly really appreciate the unique design, he really strikes me as a blundering burley brute who loves to fight and indulge in feasts (in lore Thor was said to have drank the equivalent of a quarter of the worlds ocean in mead). Maybe that isn't what Thor was originally meant to represent, but this is Santa Monica's vision and their depictions of the Norse gods seem to be quite barbaric.

[@PlatonicHesaf]

I agree with you. Thor in god of war is really unique and the only reason people mad about it is because he is not a blonde hair man and he is thick! He should be thick! He was the one who drank half of a sea

[@sayo2409]

People love to complain.

[@soldyrkare5790]

@@sayo2409 Its just that Native Scandinavians are offended because to them it appears that elements of their culture is being bastardized and even appropriated. (not even gonna get started on the other political and controversial related disputes surrounding the matter. the "woke" crowd and whatnot..)

[@lordgrimm2905]

@@soldyrkare5790 well... A big, thicc muscular dude is pretty intimidating, and his thiccnes looks like it comes from alcohol

[@zjaeriqsanders1731]

Agreed. I would have liked them to make him both muscular and fat, if that makes any sense, kinda the way a lot of heavyweights tend to look, but yeah I like the idea that while he is this strong badass he kinda doesn’t give a shit about keeping his physique, as evidenced by his insane amounts of gluttony

[@KobyMathews]

One of my favorite all-time videos on KZbin. Thank you!

[@federicocarnebale]

To me this is the most badass Thor that ive ever seen. He looks like a fucking scandinavian strongman with huge power and strenght. He looks evil and menacing. Just epic

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

Magni looks better, Ultimate Marvel Thor or DC Thor Aka Viking.

[@garryjones1776]

Apparently scandinavian strongmen have saggy tits.

[@cheetonips6399]

Its not wether or not Thor looks like “real life Thor”, he’s a god of myth, he’s got no real face or features apart from those mentioned in passing, GOW Thor is what he was described (mostly by Mimir) to be in the previous game, gigantic, brutish, full of anger and wrath (he practically killed Modi, his surviving son and heir after Magni dies to Kratos), he’s in decadence and behaves erratically, his world is dying. IMO he is the perfect Thor for the story and him not being an Adonis is a very petty complaint.

[@khalidalamin8069]

Atreus killed Modi though...Thor just beat the crap out of him

[@le_floofy_sniper_ducko7964]

@@khalidalamin8069 i disagree honestly there is a consistent thing thru out the entire GoW franchise and thats if its in the game it is there for a reason we dont see Modi's body and those story boards that you can find show balder and magni in the water sleeping with the fishes per say but modi isnt with them modi has a hammer perhaps mjolnir itself i forsee modi having quite the role in the upcoming game in all honesty

[@SpectralArchivist]

@@khalidalamin8069 Sure, Atreus deals the final blow, but I would not be surprised if Modi died to his wounds either way. Regardless, I don't think Thor would cared if Modi survived his wounds or not. I get the feeling he wasn't really trying too hard to make sure he didn't kill Modi, and that whether he died or not was irrelevant.

[@Ledecral]

@@le_floofy_sniper_ducko7964 I can’t recall which, but the Ragnarok myth specifically has one of Thor’s sons, as well as a few other gods, survive. It isn’t a “this is the end of everything” myth. It’s a “this is the end of the world we know” myth.

[@le_floofy_sniper_ducko7964]

@@Ledecral its both of his sons if i recall correctly Magni & Modi which is also why Modi's reaction after his death is one of such shock and surprise and why mimir said it was interesting with atreus pointed out he didnt come back to life edit and it is the end of everything technically as they make a new universe to start over

[@willbacewicz2087]

With regards to Thor being an antagonist, that doesn't necessarily make him a villain. An antagonist is merely a foil for the protagonist, and God of Wars protagonist is Kratos. Kratos destroyed the world of Greek myth by slaying the gods, and in doing so unleashed chaos and destruction (for example, killing Poseidon caused the Earth's waters to rise and great storms to erupt unchecked). Thor could still fill his role as the protector of humanity and simply view Kratos as a threat.

[@nockblock4128]

Yeah… plus Kratos and Atreus killed his sons. The matter is kind of personal… I wonder if he played the game

[@ghosttoowavy3775]

No trust me if this is going by myth Thor is not a good guy

[@kenetmendoza2157]

@@ghosttoowavy3775 Going by myth, there are no good guys. But Þórr is as close a hero as we get, so I don't know what you mean by that.

[@ghosttoowavy3775]

@@kenetmendoza2157 there are some good guys in myth even though they barley exist, he was saying that thot could fill in the roll of protecter of humanity I was simply saying that that’s less likely to happen

[@arringtonhughes4867]

I mean when you’re a guy who solely kills ppl for fun like the giants and he’s not a protector of humanity remember in the game he killed a guy and his wife or sum the ghost who wanted you to lay him to rest Thor is a villain

[@jaxsoreos713]

I love this Thor, I prefer it more than Marvel's. It doesn't feel like a "we have to be body inclusive🥺" either (I'm all for that but it's cringe when major companies try profiting off of if) it just looks like a dope character lol

[@Nightout88]

1 year later and people have completely changed their tone on [GoW] Thor, he's now seen as better then [MCU] Thor by almost everyone who complained.

[@grandtheftmonkey77]

idk how people dislike this design he looks sick af. really looks like a strong and powerful character

[@Jungbeck]

People have a strong urge to be offended as often as possible. They are actively searching for ways to get offended because they think it’s their right.

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

He definitely does not look powerful. He looks drunk and lazy, which is the way the game tells him to be. Does not mean he looks cool...

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

@@Jungbeck i dont see how this has anything to do with being offended

[@williamshaw2087]

@@TheAcidicMolotov I’m assuming what he meant about people being offended is that people are offended that this god who (probably) belongs to “there culture” is being portrayed as fat. As for the powerful thing the first god of war game in the Norse setting tells us how strong Thor is several time’s, and from what mimir say’s we can tell that he was like this already when doing said feat’s of strength, like killing all the giant’s. But putting aside all culture and lore we get from the game and real life we can guess that he’s strong simply from his build, the two main things that I see when I look at it are someone who has a lot of weight behind every punch (Even more so if he’s using his hammer) and that his build is very similar to strong men (The competitive strong men) the only real difference between this and a strong man is the fact that this Thor has a larger gut, which is probably because he is a fat lazy drunk.

[@Morningbikeride]

He looks like he takes naps between push-ups

[@aritrabanerjee5146]

It's just that we are soo used to see Chris Hemsworth, a six-packed dude with 1000 pounds of manly muscles, that many people can't take this character design from GOW 5

[@wanderer1818]

Personally, I can never correlate Chris Hemsworth's Thor build with the actual myths simply because the Marvel universe is obviously different, and mythologies and their Gods can be depicted much differently. I was still slightly disappointed, but it wasn't because I wasn't expecting a Chris Hemsworth build. I was expecting a design similar to this, but somewhat muscular. I think it's mainly the stomach that I thought could've been slightly toned down. But after some time, I started liking the design and I became more appreciative that they went with a bold choice for him.

[@lynchfaraaz9596]

So true

[@mavvynne444]

@@wanderer1818 Thor become fat and has pot belly because he was trick into drinking half of the ocean by some giant in Midgard wayyyy back then. That's why he looks like that.

[@wanderer1818]

@@mavvynne444 See, this is one of the reasons why I like mythological stories!

[@PatrickMenesesYTOfficial4945]

At least endgame got it accurate.

[@phobos1826]

I love the mythos accurate mjonlir necklace you're sporting.

[@toughluck1966]

Loving this channel

[@pierrenilsson4179]

This Thor looks like a man who, in his middle to late years, decided to become a MMA fighter and turns out to be surprisingly good at it.

[@Junior-lc2im]

Lol accurate

[@mad234luiz]

Couldnt have disagreed more

[@patronofdebaucheryandviole3460]

White Cormier

[@thirddegreebernz]

Here comes the boom!

[@v312ym34n_is_very_mean]

The legendary Tank Abbott. Ah back when I still cared about MMA... It reminds me that I really used to wonder about how good Roy Nelson could have been if he were in shape. Unlike Mark Hunt, who had a massive build, Nelson looked like he just carried a lot of flabby on him. I think if you carved him down to average MMA pro fitness, he should have really been fighting at 205 lbs for his career instead of heavyweight.

[@meznivfinish6739]

It's cool that Thor himself is breaking down how he looks like...

[@danialyousaf6456]

This is Mimir.

[@vargenfenrisson1164]

Thor had long hair not being bald.

[@atheon-]

as someone that played gow ragnarök about an year after the controversy, this thor is perfect.

[@eduardosolorzano5020]

Tbh at first glance and the first time they revealed him I was a hater as well but now IN GAME he looks awesome.

[@3Demon100]

Thor being an antagonist and a defender of humanity would be in line with his character, as Kratos and boy did start the beginning of Ragnarok. Mimir in the game talks about Kratos being in the norse mythology is a major issue, even though Kratos doesn't particularly want to be involved.

[@michaelteeter3886]

I think they've kinda explained it but how did Kratos get to this mythology? I was always a little confused about that

[@supamonkey25]

@@michaelteeter3886 from what I got is that Fey, Kratos’ wife was able to see the future or was in the giant realm which time moves differently so that was the future. And knew everything that would happen. So whenever you see those yellow marks telling you where to go it was Fey guiding you because she knew everything that was going to happen. So when Kratos makes it to the Giant realm the things he does through the game are already shown, and some future events that haven’t happened yet are hinted

[@turtlepope7802]

​@Butt Whole He got there by boat. In GOW 3 Kratos kills all of the Greek pantheon, and therefore destroys "the world". In an interview a dev explained that the power of gods is limited to their domain of worship, meaning Greece flooded but Midgard was unaffected by Kratos shenanigans, because Greek gods don't have power over Scandinavia. So he just got on a boat and bounced. This doesn't make much sense geographically but, you know, mythology

[@thebox7139]

@@turtlepope7802 Did not kill the whole Pantheon there are some greek Gods that are still alive, & athena is still alive though in her spirit form.

[@Killzoneguy117]

@@thebox7139 True, but the essential Gods were gone. Hades, Poseidon, Zeus, Ares, Athena, Hera, Hermes, Helios, Hephaestus, Persephone, Gaia, Cronos, the Fates. I mean who was left? Aphrodite? Maybe Demeter? Morpheus probably? Apollo and Atlas are probably the only still useful Gods and Titans left.

[@KangarooMonkey]

I don’t remember anyone being this mad about Hades old design despite it being 10 times worse.

[@PrestonWillis]

True though lol 😂

[@joynelbonet194]

People weren't as judgemental and entitled as today with the internet back then.

[@stixx9400]

Hades looked straight up bbq'd

[@NeocrimsonX]

@@joynelbonet194 this

[@joynelbonet194]

@@stixx9400 i believe he meant that Hades was also with a belly. But still his pecs and arms were muscular.

[@Nyahsir]

I really like this depiction. I'm not sure if my vision is completely accurate, but when I think of Thor the image that comes to my mind is a drunk murderous bastard... And this design fits perfectly. When it comes to the armor, it fits the game perfectly, just look at kratos' default armor, he has no chest nor abdomen protection. There's also baldur who's just shirtless and magni who has really light armor. At the end, I'm sure Santa Monica will take this story to a really interesting direction, which is all that matters. :)

[@agentjuicecartoons]

A bit late to the party, I know, but your final question about how GOW may depict Thor's personality got me thinking ... I do believe the direction GOW will take is to make Thor a straight-up antagonist who plays against his primary roll of friend and defender of humanity, but I believe they'll do it in an unexpected way. Throughout the game we're inundated with story after story of how shockingly violent Thor seemingly is, but making him some mustache-twirling (or I guess in this case beard-twirling) villain or a snarling madman wouldn't be a satisfying or even sensible subversion of his supposed loyal and friendly demeanor. I think what they're going to do is make him surprisingly cordial and eloquent. He'll speak calmly and clearly and present himself as unexpectedly professional (The "calm and reasonable person" line in the sequel trailer leads me to believe this). At the same time I think he'll be shown as someone who's shockingly good at putting on an act of being affable and quite charismatic. Basically, he'll be a true clinically defined psychopath; someone who's amazing at pretending like he could be the friend and defender of humanity, but in reality he's cold and empty and perfectly capable of mass slaughter with no remorse. In my opinion, a sophisticated elitist psychopath pretending to be friendly to the "lesser folk" would be the perfect opposite of a warm down-to-earth working Joe who'd move the nine realms to protect the people.

[@goddamndoor]

He´ll likely be a selfish and arrogant idiot. Kinda how the MCU Thor who isn´t bright and it´s way too confident and oblivious, but with an evil turn. Like, they´ll do what they did with greek gods too, take the most questionable of stories about them and use them to depict him as he is, but on the bad light no one imagines. Someone that is so praised that started to be the one that praises him the most, believing himself to be deserving of everything and of having the right to put his will over anyone and kill whoever opposes since it´s a mortal sin to be against the "might protector"

[@obesus787]

Thor in mythology is surprisingly reasonable, but has a tendency towards violence. He’s known for his short fuse, but this is slightly redeemed by him not holding grudges. When he visited giants in the myths, they wanted him to prove his worth by drinking a horn of mead without stopping, lifting a cat and wrestling an old lady. He failed at all and they mocked him relentlessly which pissed him off and he left, afterwards one of the giants admitted that they had used illusions to mask the real nature of things. The horn of mead was actually a literal ocean and he greatly reduced the level, the cat was the world serpent, and the old lady was literally time (or age, I forget) itself, the giants feared him, which is why they wanted him to prove himself in the first place. Thor accepted this and went on his merry way. He’ll probably not be too clever, but clever enough to know his own limitations, and when it comes to combat he’ll probably be a lot more wise to Kratos’ nature than Balder.

[@avekatten3207]

This aged well xd

[@chrisgarcia8427]

I’m guessing the people who hate this design aren’t very calm and reasonable

[@friendlybear3850]

and only cares about their opinion and likes MCU thor when they dont know crap about Norse Mythology, even Thors father is worst then how the MCU made him to be

[@mardshima2070]

And they forgot about how Hades look like in GoW and how Baldur look like a total random guy.

[@yashsakpal6879]

😂

[@Blades_00]

At the beginning I was confused but now I don’t mind it It’s just not what I expected but he’s still gonna be a badass to me even if he’s fat, skinny or legless

[@bungiecrimes7247]

Oh no people with different opinions to me I'm literally shaking and crying 😞😭😭😭😢

[@everopeneye3290]

kratos did kill his sons so he’s probably pretty pissed about that, and the gods in this are seen as the bad guys and the giants the good guys

[@BiggusNickus]

Eh, Gaia wasn't exactly a good person. Her motives were super selfish and she just used Kratos to accomplish her own goals, ie killing the Pantheon.

[@jackcassidy9963]

@@BiggusNickus I think he means the Jotnar

[@BiggusNickus]

@@jackcassidy9963 gotcha! I was referring to the Greek GOW games but I see your point.

[@benjhnn]

@@BiggusNickus titan ≠ giant, as far as i know?

[@CaueJulio]

@@BiggusNickus gaia was a titan.

[@mr_hands]

I hope they bring back the cape he had at the end of GOW. Looked really sick.

[@svavars.kjartansson1012]

I grew up in Iceland where the myths and the sagas are everywhere around us all the time, in place names and peoples names and in media and schools and the language... etc. Almost every depiction of Þór I can remember seeing in Iceland growing up, and how I see him in my minds eye, is as a huge ogre of a man, with a long shaggy red beard and a beerbelly, talking loudly and being very fond of food and drink, I would say that the god of war depiction of him is among the best fit I've seen to that image of Þór

[@supesmin446]

I feel like there’s no point to screaming and crying about this depiction of Thor if you aren’t willing to scream and cry over the fact that they made Baldur a scrawny crackhead rather than a gorgeous, kind hearted boy who nobody wanted to hurt

[@caninecurry5823]

I didn't mind Baldur. Being the most attractive person in a small group isn't the same as being a supermodel. Everyone did love Baldur in the game, he was angry that he couldn't feel and wanted to die, so he chose the god of war to do it. Maybe he could have asked kindly to start with but eventually he would have had to be an ass, at least towards kratos.

[@yosephbuitrago897]

Michael French well Baldur didn’t initially seek out kratos. He was seeking out the last known living giant who at that time would have been fey, but fey already died and baldur came across instead kratos so he assumed kratos was the last living jotunn. He was seeking out the jotnar because they are the general enemies of the gods and i guess he thought they would have had a way to kill him.

[@blumiu2426]

@@caninecurry5823 I think you missed the fact attractive was not figurative. It was not in any form accurate to Baldur. You did some bad gymnastics to make that try and work.

[@caninecurry5823]

@@yosephbuitrago897 I'm sure even the most kind hearted Norse god would still be capable of murder. It's all a matter of perspective. It is written from the view of those who ain't Norse gods, perhaps Baldurs story was exaggerated. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a being was made out to be "devine" for alternative purposes.

[@thehippie3610]

Exactly!

[@AgentMajin008]

I feel like something overlooked in this is that in the God of War game, Thor's described as a drunkard and is shown to be abusive towards his kids. Kratos kill both Magni and Modi in GoW. You kill one (can't recall which one was first), the other runs to Thor, Thor beats the shit out of him and tells him to go kill Kratos or not bother coming back. Then you kill the second son. This Thor, by default wants Kratos dead, or got sent to fight him by Odin because Kratos is stirring things up WAY too much to be ignored. This isn't "I'm here to protect humanity" Thor, this is "You killed my sons and relatives, you bastard!" Thor, or "I got sent here to kill you, so die already." Thor. Either way, he's probably gonna treat Kratos more like the Jotuun after they swiped Mjolnir than anything else. This game also isn't too kind to the Norse gods. Mostly in the sense that they are portrayed more like the Greek gods. Vain, sadistic, narcissistic, cocky. While this is (probably) done so Kratos will look like a good guy in comparison (now that he's not a rage fueled monster with barely a concept of mercy or restraint). It shows that even if you wanted a "good" interpretation of the gods, you're not likely to find it here just due to their narrative roles. This took less effort to pull of with the greek gods because they're (in simplified terms) assholes with superpowers and egos to match. It's not like the greeks pretended that wasn't the case when they wrote about them.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

which kinda sucks because the Norse patheon, for all their short comings were someone of the more greyer and respectable patheons, even if Odin was still a peace of shit, but hey he's no Zeus...

[@alifarshad4461]

Yeah Also they Interpeted the Persian king as a fat shit I think what most ppl don't get is that this game is not here to represent beautiful heroic gods ...

[@rellek4053]

Funnily enough, the Greek gods were normally quite benevolent. Most of their negative personality traits were exaggerated by later writers with good reasons to make the old gods look bad

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@rellek4053 benevolent? They were big rapists and very petty

[@memeseller9444]

Is that why Modi(?) was all beaten up before Atreus murdered him? Damn yo

[@pinder262]

Given how Mimirs tales tell us not of a heroic god like Marvel but a self indulging child that gleefully kills any giant he sees for fun, i think his depiction for the next GOW fits Mimirs description

[@maximal99334]

I really like how he looks and it fits his description in the previous game.

[@lucasstokes503]

I wouldn't find Thor being in a villian role that out of character at all, he kinda does do a lot of unnecessary violence in the mythos and is prone to outburst of anger. Like if you look at Jötunn in any light that isn't "oh they're pure evil" the thor can definitely be a villainous.

[@WesoVR]

Even if he was not misaligned in any way (which i do think he will be), in these games the gods themselves are inherently antagonistic because of their position. Kratos doesn't like the God's because of his own association with being one. Also kratos killed alot of Thor's family in the first game. His antagonism might come from being mad at that fact.

[@Extratyggis]

Yepp, he killed a fuckton of giants while stealing a massive couldron of some sort to make someone brew ale on their return back. Also he slaughters his own goats and bring them back to life whenever it so damn pleases him. I wouldent call thor good

[@saber5785]

I mean god of war is differently making him look like a villain

[@krystof5271]

Isn't the main character of the series also like that (genuinely asking haven't played the games)

[@rikkikarrylmabayo2504]

@@krystof5271 yep but he changed after killing the pantheon he belongs to. God of War is about how gods are just assholes with huge egos, they think they can do whatever they want just because they can. They killed frost giants not because they were evil but because they were legitimate threat to their power. In the original GOW the Greek pantheon manipulated him to do things he didn't like and even forced him to be a god instead of ending his misery.

[@junkyporpoise4254]

I personally think this depiction of Thor is amazing: I like the contrast between warrior and rich Asgardian who (as Mimir describes spend all their time eating and fuc- fornicating themselves silly.) I understand how he's meant to be this all powerful God however I believe it shows his over-confidence, indulging life style and reliance of his hammer.

[@mydude9701]

Thank you! You hit it right on the dot.

[@alistar2590]

Exactly what i thought when i first saw this image. Thor looks thuggish in that image, powerful yet indulgent in the higher pleasures. His powerful build coated in a layer of fat, a motif of the inner flaws of his character.

[@howmuchbeforechamp]

Hakuho sho, the best sumo wrestler of the last 20years , he looks like this thor

[@alex-kj6sx]

he looks like a joke. short and an open belly.

[@NGJ05]

@@alex-kj6sx found the mcu fanboy

[@dearingrogers2785]

The Norse depiction of him is perfect for his Ragnarok game, I can't wait to play the finale to the story

[@michaelfrank6942]

Thank you for the Video.

[@LowkeyLoki16]

yk what’s hilarious? thor isn’t exactly the most ripped. he does love his food. and while the armour is so strange, he does seem fairly accurate to how the myths typically make me think of him; and it’s funny bc being super strong doesn’t mean you have to be fuckin ripped- just look at linebackers. seems alright to me

[@jfoster8624]

Exactly most NFL linemen look like this but can bench up to 300-400 lbs

[@xuxogaming8735]

In fact one of the things that make you strong is the fat you store in your body. This is coming from a skinny guy 😄

[@LowkeyLoki16]

@@xuxogaming8735 yea ikr? i box, used to be a high-performance athlete. i find the idea that having any sort of fat is unhealthy and/or means you’re not strong is a straight up lie lol

[@midasthestallion4105]

Mark Henry is a prime example. He's a strongman through and through and he's 6'5. He doesn't look like Chris Hemmingsworth; just saying.

[@TheBlazersfan22]

And he hasnt got out since the giant war. The dude problem be grubbing and drinking and women for years before thor showed up.

[@brutusmagnuson315]

I think Eddie Hall’s physique would be ideal. A big puffy power lifter. The only problem I have with his physique in this depiction is that his chest needs to be bigger

[@willpettitt3271]

Yh I agree

[@ItsButterBean1020]

I’d definitely be more into Hafthor Bjornsson’s but yeah I feel his chest should be a bit more muscular

[@dreman901]

I disagree, Eddie hall is not agile and does no cardio. thor fights onslaughts of giants(that is hardcore cardio)

[@azuma_ayame]

Yeah I agree his chest and back needs to look bigger

[@themadtitan8408]

no brian shaw.

[@Sund3v3]

I love this design! I liked how they subverted Baldr in the first game. He wasn't just randomly changed but there was an actual reason for his behavior and it was also tied in nicely with his actual myth. If they pull off something like this for Thor I'd be happy.

[@dexobj]

Well, Kratos comes from a story where he killed an entire pantheon, leaving Greece in what appeared to be the "end of times". His currently actions seems to be aligning with the same end result (whether he wants it or not). If this new "end of times" is what is depicted as Ragnarok, then Thor going against him is expected.

[@darthplagueis13]

"This doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do" To be fair, that does fit Thor. He's a bit of a himbo in the stories, if you think about it.

[@julianjpantoja4603]

Not really a himbo. He isn't really pure of heart, but he's really dumb of ass

[@OrcistCleaver]

Hes a gluttonous asshole on GoW it fits him great

[@Sakuraclone99k]

Man, the internet is so thor over this photo. I think you brought up a lot that I hadn't even considered about Thor's appearance, including the Strongman comparison. Although I understand your wariness of how his character might be affected by the writing of GoW. Deities within that franchise tend to be painted as the villains of the story. Perhaps Thor's place within the narrative will be different, or he might be leading the charge against those he sees to be villains to Asgard? All I know is, I love his hammer and his beard. :D

[@glamourweaver]

Given that the franchise has already set up presenting the jotun as victims of genocide, given Thor’s role battling giants, I think it’s safe to assume he’s an antagonist

[@ShatteredPsyche]

Well, Kratos (the player character) DID kill two of Thor's brothers in the previous game, I think that if he IS presented as an antagonist there will be a justified reason for his hostilities. Just my two cents, hope it helps!

[@n7revan829]

Well Kratos did start Ragnarok... probably on the Aesir's shit list for that.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

I mean...they were pretty clear that Thor was an asshole in the last game.

[@X525Crossfire]

@@ShatteredPsyche Actually *one* of his brothers (Baldur), and one of his *sons* (Magni). Edit: Also, Modi *was* also killed by Boy.

[@nevogolan6505]

The first game does a lot of work to build the Asgardians as evil twisted versions of what we are familiar with. Taking the most heroic god and making him a rival is a very interesting direction. Especially considering the end of the first game

[@wombatjedi101]

Throughout the first game we're told stories of the evilness of the Aesir. Classic tales are flipped to cast them as the villains, or to highlight their flaws. Jormungändr (I hope I spelled that right) is a friend to the protagonists. Over and over are we told that the gods hold mortal life of little to no importance. A good story to sum it up is the spirit in the lake of nine who tells of Thor coming to his home, growing drunk and killing his hostess upon being asked to leave. To conclude, Thor is not a good guy in God of War, and neither are any of the other Aesir.

[@ScarecrowNonsense]

I feel what's actually important to this debate is "Does the design fit the portrayal the devs are trying to create?" and I'd argue it does. Marvel Thor does this too. Marvel Thor is supposed to be a shiny paragon hunk because he is supposed to be beautiful and admirable and mythically powerful. This isnt that Thor. GoW Thor is described as a brutal, angry, lout. As Mimir even says "A fat dobber." While I'm totally understanding of the strongman physique vs. hunk physique arguments I keep seeing surrounding this image, I think its beside the point. Even if you give up and say "Yeah, this Thor is just fat." I think it serves the purpose the devs are trying to achieve which is de-mystifying Thor as this hero god. GoW Thor is a fat, abusive, angry drunk. He's a genocidal maniac who given his worlds most powerful weapon used it to kill everyone he could get at and then put himself out of work. It wouldnt surprise me at all to find out that the reason Thor seems to be leaning more toward the obese in his concept art is that he sits on his ass drinking and eating in Asgard because he has nothing to do anymore. He killed everyone he was supposed to or allowed to and now Odin has had him in de facto retirement til Ragnarok.

[@alucardzutain6062]

Thor in Mrvel is a Lie. Just Fan service, which is lame.

[@PauaP]

@@alucardzutain6062 I think the OP is trying to say it rather depends on who you are trying to appeal, and if whether or not it fits the narrative or the over all story. The looks of Thor on marvel is very subjective, personally? Its fine. So as this. So in the end, it depends on who is making and creating the world for that story.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

@@alucardzutain6062 I would not say it's a lie. As the video says, there is no written account of what he looks like other than references to his immense appetite. He's a God, so it is possible whatever he eats would not affect his physique. Because there is no reference to his physique, artists portray him as per the ideal male figure of that time. The ideal male figure of our time is the tall, lean six pack sporting one, hence Chris Thor. Also, this is what Thor looks like in Marvel, so deviating from their version would not sit well with the fans.

[@iron666221666221]

Thor looks like a fucking unit, an absolute CHAD, madlad. He’s perfect

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

He is a tad bit too fat for my liking, you can still be riped and fat at the same time. this thor is just. fat. Almost comically so.

[@eeyuup]

​@@bluntlyhonest6803 Well, Mimir literally calls him a fat dauber and GoW takes place clearly after the glory days of the gods, so I imagine he's far from being the man he was.

[@qv8075]

Bloat lord pls

[@Extratyggis]

@@bluntlyhonest6803 well its accurate to his characther tough. In one story Thor is in a drinking competition with giants. His task was to drink from a giant cup faster than another giant (what he did not know was that the ale in the cup was actually the ocean. Tough he did not manage to drink it all he did make the ocean VERY noticeably lower. The fucking ocean. THIS is Thor, you may not like him but this is him in all his glory.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

@@Extratyggis not the Thor i remember as a kid. He had glorious red hair, the body of a warrior and a grim resolve. This Thor is a tad bit too chunky.

[@ronintheronin8035]

I find the explanation very reasonable, I kinda had the same gut reaction as I saw the thumbnail so I am glad for this other point of view.

[@meredocu]

the whole sell of the idea of the gods as being the antagonist is "history is written by the victors", it would fit to see him as the protector of mankind in that he was slaying jotunn and spread the word to mankind that the jotunn are the ennemy. you could argue the same with the pantheon gods in previous game. I really like the way they are described and it fit really well the narrative of gow universe while maintaining a lot from the mythology.

[@buzzvuzz]

Personally LOVE this depiction, finally a more realistic depiction of this Norse deity. I mean, if you read the sagas and stories and then look and Hemsworth in Marvel - that ain't the guy from the mythos, it's a Vogue/GQ version of it. This guy is supposed to be of nasty character, scruff, and HUGE, which he finally is in this game, and kudos to that!

[@FablesScribe]

Marvel Thor: Based off of paintings GoW Thor: Based off of Norse sagas

[@ARuiz-eu3hk]

What do you mean REALISTIC depiction?

[@njalsand133]

Fantasy clothes will do it's best to say screw you realism.

[@brianmercy2320]

"A more realistic depiction of this Norse deity!" The whole video telling us that there's really not much depiction on how thor should look like: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@totallynotzokix11_mc21]

Why the fuck is anyone even looking to Marvel in the first place? They aren't the standard when it comes to norse mythology just because they joinked a few characters.

[@storymaster164]

The devs described their interpretations Thor as a hedonistic one which also fits with Thor in myth. I believe as a hedonistic individual would eat and drink tons. He would sit, laugh and have a rotten good time with people. This I think is one of the best interpretations of Thor not because of any historical significance (Although it helps) but because it’s something new, it’s something different and it will be fun to explore especially as an antagonistic character. Also I like that he’s one of the antagonists. Keep in mind this is a franchise who’s story subtext is that the gods weren’t really people worth worshiping. Just look at God of War I, II, III, and all the additional games. Most of the time the characters we would usually associate as the “Heros” such as Hercules, Theseus and so on were in line with the myths to a degree but twisted the story to frame them as being more toxic than heroic.

[@darknesswave100]

Ymir did paint thor in the way you described for sure. Especially the part where you mentioned drinking a lot. Just cause people see thor as a hero type in marvel doesnt meant that he was that way in the mythology. I think thats where people are having a problem with it. It's the ones that have for years seen him in marvel comics and that's skewed their view of him. Then again people see the Disney movie depictions of greek mythology and if you look at the actual mythology it's all kinds of fucked up and not the way its depicted in modern day media

[@storymaster164]

@@darknesswave100 agreed. I was expecting big and burly.

[@FuzzySamurai]

It just make sense he looks like that. if people actually listened to the lore in GOW 2018 surrounding thor and Mimir's stories the way he looks makes total sense.

[@benmcgill2018]

Based on what Mimir tells us, it’s exactly as you describe, but the stories have been twisted to make the Gods look good, at least according to Mimir

[@storymaster164]

@@Yuri-dk6kd yes and that’s the point. Maybe I didn’t explain well. when I say “where Hercules is aligned with myth” I mean he did do all his labors that make him look like the hero, but we learn in the game that he’s actually very bitter and jealous of Kratos for becoming the god of war and he didn’t after all he did for the gods of Olympus.

[@Red80008]

I love your approach and stoic investigation and examination of a topic rather than a person. If you an call a mythological being a person. Most of the depicitions of Thor there are, are fairly young, so they originate from fashion and ideals of those times, completely disregarding the indications there were. So it's kinda like Schrödinger's cat narrowed down to the box: as long as we don't actually see the actual being in question we have to assume it's both or rather ALL shapes possible. So he could look lke anything we can think of and it would be "accurate" as long as we just incorporate all of the "facts" we have about him. Because after all we're still only talking about a creature of fantasy, not about a real person... Keep up that kind of work!

[@srinugrohoprahastono7701]

4:47 The way you said Jormungand is beautiful

[@DarKnight-qu4kx]

"Don't judge a book by its cover" - Thor

[@bennymountain1]

"Gods are like onions. They have layers."

[@amrilhaziq8114]

“Thor can’t be thicc according to the myths” Yes and Loki isn’t the son of Kratos, so?

[@xxMpEGxx]

actually, in the scene at the end of GoW where they show Faye's prediction of Atreus and Kratos adventure, it shows their names: Atreus is Loki and Kratos is Farbauti. Loki is Farbauti's son.

[@Necroverse19]

@johanan J.J Could've been a lost portion of the myth...

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

@@xxMpEGxx | Except a load of the myths mentioned throughout the game originally included Loki, and have been altered as a result.

[@CYANERION]

In true norse myth, they always love to eat and have meals. And I see some people very strong in real life even while being a little fat So I think for me, this is one of the most accurate looks of thor to actual mythology

[@sqentontheslime1967]

@johanan J.J Not read anything else about him, but when I was reading the Tvtropes page it said that farbauti.. didn’t really do much outside of being Loki’s father. No, I don’t think the story would have had him come from Sparta after killing all the Greek gods, but they’re taking creative liberties anyway.

[@Solverse_]

About the golden hair we do have some text that describes Thor’s hair as “golden”. Though the meaning of which isn’t escargot clear if they mean actually golden or just trying to say it looks good.

[@xinhokage9879]

"Do you even lift bro" That's what that picture is telling me lol LOVE IT!

[@shaneleonard201]

My only argument is his armor, this is actually way closer to what I imagine Thor as than anything else I've ever seen.

[@shmixedNshmooved]

I'm honestly for the gutful Thor I feel like it fits how certain behemoth Icelandic men were portrayed. Kratos stemming from the Greece mythos and having a chiseled body like how Greek statues portrayed physique let's them both keep their very different cultural roots and give them their own unique personality in design. Plus the memes that can come out of these two manly father figures duking it out would be pretty solid.

[@luisyamamoto1884]

i love this

[@kylerBD]

Absolutely agree

[@chaoticwriting6304]

I wouldve been fine with a gutful thor, but not THAT gut. Check out eddie hall and compare and contrast the images. A strongman could be fat, sure, but you can tell there's muscle underneath it, its not just flab. Thor just looks obese, if it wasn't for the armor and beard, I don't think hed fit the image at all.

[@flaviogarza2376]

@@chaoticwriting6304 I have to 100% agree with you.

[@cwevans5873]

Interesting video! As American, my first introduction to Thor came through marvel and I do enjoy Chris Hemsworth’s portrayal but as I read up on Norse mythology ( s/o Neil Gaiman) my inner image of Thor shifted. And the shift is more in line with what GOW Ragnorak is portraying.

[@maurices9552]

Randomly came across this video. Left a fan

[@comradebusman3]

“My first reaction was wondering why Thor has pauldrons but no chest armor” Thank god I’m not the only one

[@jrob4795]

I see that a lot, especially on gladiator movies. It's probably so the actor can show off his chest muscles or something.

[@bloodbrawler1438]

@@jrob4795 I also think its like an intimidation thing. "Come on. I dare you to hit my stomach"."

[@jrob4795]

@@bloodbrawler1438 Yeah, that's a possibility. I don't know much about history, but I'd find it hard to believe that some of these warrior types wouldn't be a little cocky going into battle. It could also be a practicality thing...less armor=more mobility?

[@loreseeker6604]

Have you played GoW? Have ypu seen KRATOS'S ARMOUR?.... i find your worry about this pretty dumb......these armours are designed for artistic effect not practicalities...Jesus Christ some people are stupid

[@comradebusman3]

@@loreseeker6604 ok, first of all it’s a joke. Second of all, Krayons should also put some proper armor on. Maybe it’ll help him not get reminded of his family who he killed every time he sees his ashen skin. He’s setting a bad example for Boy! How will Boy grow up into a sensible warrior if his dad doesn’t wear sensible armor!

[@cesarurbano7858]

"Seeing as he absolutely abhors the FAT DOBBER..." Mimmir told us from the first that Thor was fat lol when Jormungandr bit off that statue 😂

[@r3ktl3ss20]

yeah, it's kinda funny when you think about it, if you look at the state of thor in-game when it was being eaten, it had pecks and a six-pack on it, so either it was created to be a more physically pleasing depiction of him, or hear me out......after getting the hammer Thor let himself go because the hammer did all the work for him.

[@Omashu2425]

Red hair and beard Fierce Eye's Huge gut reminiscent of his appetite Strong, stocky build, reminiscent of traditional strongmen. I don't see a problem here

[@fcasias7]

His design doesn't bother me at all, he looks like one of those guys thats chubby, but hits like a truck, The armor specifically not covering his chest/belly is a very odd choice though.

[@Bloodyshinta1]

"its more realistic for thor to be fat" *Thor eats an entire horse" "glad i'm the paragon of realism"

[@juanvallejo94]

It also fits with the gow version of the mythology. Thor is portrayed as a horrible, vain god that does as he pleases. The statue in the last game fits with his character, it makes perfect sense for his followers to carve an idealized figure rather than what he really looks like out of fear of his wrath

[@makasete30]

it’s more realistic for Thor to be a muscled warrior without a pot belly, being a God and all. To be honest, both versions are equally valid but I do find it funny people trying to justify the new look with “he was always a strong , vain slob in the myths”. I just prefer Thor to look more menacing and like he knows how to wield his hammer as a warrior. Hopefully the excellent voice acting will make him grow on me.

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@makasete30 let's wait till the game comes out. Maybe he looks more menacing when fighting kratos. A fat dude with a temper can be pretty scary lol.

[@Merilirem]

@@makasete30 What part of being a god requires you to conform to any specific body type? Many have symbolic bodies related to what they represent or are like and as stated in the video this body fits that perfectly fine. He could be a little thinner but i really don't think he needs to look like Kratos two to be "muscled". You did see the strong man part of the vid right?

[@moonstriker7350]

@@juanvallejo94 That's very low IQ "NA deukashion" interpretation of Thor.

[@gatfatf]

Personally I think Thor will play more to the "enemy of the Jotun" rather than the "friend of man" part of his description to fit the role of antagonis, similar to the way Thor was in the 1st marvel movie. Bloodthirsty for giant's blood and completely ambivalent to the goings on of man. Keep in mind, this is a God of War game, humans haven't mattered since Kratos became deified and transcended his humanity, hell, in the last game you don't even meet any regular people that aren't spirits besides a group of nameless bandits that are immediately turned into draugr after getting dumpstered. What Kratos does have is a son who is half giant, and the last of that bloodline. My money is on Thor's wanting to tie that loose end putting him at odds with our favorite greek chain slinger.

[@psychdoesdegames8582]

He may still be friend of man, kratos brings destruction everywhere he goes, he kills the gods and it's made decently clear that odin knows of kratos and his old pantheon, after killing all those gods it left greece to suffer, so thor would want to stop kratos, antagonist doesn't always meen evil just against the main character or protagonist, to me atleast personally i feel like he fits the role as the antagonist perfectly

[@1xial1]

This is how I think of it: Every one, no matter what side of good or evil you are on, is someone’s antagonist…

[@firdanharbima6997]

@@psychdoesdegames8582 nah just the friends of Valhalla

[@fossilking444]

I mean there did kill Thor’s son’s

[@RandomPerson-yq1qk]

@@psychdoesdegames8582 Mimir tells us very clearly that the Jötunn were very peaceful and mostly wise people while the Aesir just had fun slaughtering them. Odin cursed the valkyiries to insanity which caused ghosts/Helwalkers to appear just because he was pissed at Freya which backs Mimir's claims that the Aesir were assholes and tells us that he does not care for humans either. All of the evidence in the environments also supports this narrative that the Aesir are the baddies. Sure being the antagonist does not mean that they must be evil, but they are pretty damn evil in this story.

[@Orville9999]

damn. I was looking forward to playing this.

[@CaptainCharismaless]

I would love a follow up video now that the game has been out for a few months.

[@HyunXP]

Now, that Thor is a good design. I can really imagine Thor bathing on his glory, by idk- food, women and other things, rather than having him as a muscular man with perfect body and face.

[@strongman5243]

Thor is not perfect in mythology neither evil

[@Evil_Peter]

He wouldn't necessarily be perfect to our standards but he was the ideal warrior and man for the Norse people, hence being a God of strength and fertility. It's not at all likely that Norse people valued obesity.

[@noahraab2429]

@@Evil_Peter Obesity could stand for wealth? Or maybe he played too much Fortnite and has seen less chonky days.

[@someguy3861]

There's also the fact that keeping a decent layer of fat on can actually save your life in battle. Gladiators would sometimes intentionally have a bit of a gut so they could lose more blood without dying.

[@carlycrays2831]

Or like my kitty with her loose belly fat.

[@timon20061995]

But that looks more like beer belly...

[@awkward-girl-sera8143]

@@timon20061995 Thor was a drunk so

[@RiftW4lker]

Lol where did you get that? Or are you just fat and making it look cool

[@dungeonguy88]

@@timon20061995 I mean, Thor was famous for his love of drink. Vikings and Norsemen in general were known for getting hammered and having tons of feasts.

[@tijaxhistorian3364]

I've worked with a few Short but Stocky Movers for 3 Moving companies and I could see Thor being like that, and maybe he'll first seek out answers and one thing leads to another and both start fight till one gives or one dies, with a few more fight to have .ore of a game to play.

[@acidbracelet3697]

I thought that was the Dagda when I saw the thumbnail. Interesting to me as I wonder if both are just different versions of the same deities.