Oculus Quest 2 Vs Valve Index...(Which is Best for You)

[@mzftmorons7266]

what we need is a lightweight, wireless headset like the quest 2, with the advanced finger tracking controllers like the index

[@arichi8936]

DecaGear could use it's Chip/Processor for that, but instead it's used as a Wireless connection to PC.

[@MrGlitch_YT]

And the adjustments for the eyes and head that the index has

[@2cool4youpeople29]

Companies: No.

[@syrsly273]

And high FOV and high IPD range.

[@Winter-CIG]

The Index controllers are amazing but the only game worth playing that really makes use of them is Alyx. I'm glad I have them for that game but that wouldn't be the one reason I'd choose an Index over a Quest 2. I bought the Quest just for being able to use Gravity Sketch outside of my office but it has ended up mostly replacing my Index. There is just no accounting for user friendliness of the Quest, it's so quick to turn on (literally automatically turns on when you put it on your head) that it's effortless. The Index however, despite being set up always feels like just enough of a pain in the ass that I can't be bothered to use it. Since getting the Quest 2 I play way more VR than I did before simply because the system doesn't get in the way of me wanting to use it.

[@mr_black_hat999]

"which is better for you?" *looks at my bank account* quest, definitely quest

[@ThreeDPrintDesigns]

😂

[@emashane7035]

Yup

[@kick-u]

Hahahahahhahahahah

[@templarstealth4712]

same

[@joelcrafter43]

*looks at my bank account* $0.45 Why am I watching these videos again? Oh yeah I like torturing myself with stuff I can never hope to have.

[@skandwyrm]

If the Q2 controllers had like a grip button for each finger-and I guess a strap like the index-It'd be perfect. All fingers "tracked" with a bit of physical feedback/resistance.

[@gorlix]

too many electronic components in one place (might be too heavy, where to put a battery??), people dont have same hands, children have smaller hands, in the end it would be clumsy heavy controller that you can easily break

[@EBT2]

@@gorlix yeah good point dude

[@mRibbons]

I've had my Quest 2 for over 2 months now. It's been a hassle, getting a silicone facepad, a better strap, and a Link cable. But now I'm in a good place now with Q2. $300 plus the $40 for accessories is a steal considering the competition.

[@mortimermouse3086]

I got a rift CV1 for $120 with everything included and it has been great. Definitely has been used and abused a ton but it's holding up great!

[@MothFable]

I’ve been running with the base model just fine for around a year now. No special attachments, just the quest 2.

[@nanalada]

still cheaper than the competition

[@bill1357]

I’ve had the oculus air for about, since I was born..and uhh it’s been holding up well too actually, haven’t actually played any pvp games other then this game called “nerf battle” pretty good I guess, haven’t played it in years though. Also got the “glasses” extension it’s pretty cool but it gets in the way sometimes, best thing is, is that it’s free AND you can also sleep with it on, best oculus ever I would 100% recommend. 👍

[@skinnybuddha8988]

That's funny cause I just got a Quest 2 the other day for my birthday and it had the silicone cover in it already

[@davefulford8890]

I've had the Quest 2 for about 9 months now and I absolutely love it. Between me and other family members it's had about 600 hours of use. Its still working without issue, even the foam interface is fine. The controllers have been whacked against TV"s, walls, picture frames, mugs and people and are still unmarked and work fine. I've modded the strap and attached an after market battery to the back but who cares when it's such good value in the first place.

[@JoshDoes]

Yeah its incredible

[@captainjimmy2306]

My controller broke, but it took me slamming it at maximum speed and force into a stone benchtop

[@bucket_hat_gt21]

I’ve had a quest 2 for a little more than half a year and the only issues I’ve had is I have to reboot after charging because it is stuck on the battery screen and an area in my play space is kind of dark so it loses tracking a bit, but otherwise it’s amazing.

[@diablothepyro4564]

i dont think people ever realize how much it helps a content creator to give them 100% watchtime on a video but every one of your videos ive seen so far are worth it your videos are packed with information right up until the outro every time

[@lairlair2]

Isn't watch time only relevant for prime users?

[@charliegilliam9334]

but its pretty biased

[@NekoHazrd]

The Index actually gets rid of the screen door effect entirely because of it's LCD screen. A huge upgrade compared to the gen 1 Vive I used to have, which had a really annoying screen door effect.

[@fluffehgamer4712]

Not completely still there but barely there

[@maaqzfishy9505]

he legit shows the screen door effect on the index lmao

[@striderwhiston9897]

@@maaqzfishy9505 I've never noticed a screen door effect, but it looks a lot more noticeable if you zoom in, but in average gameplay it's basically unnoticeable, even if you try to see it.

[@jakpe8093]

@@maaqzfishy9505 its more visible through a camera obviously.

[@gamesnic]

Even less on the Quest 2 since it has higher resolution LCDs

[@KylerSteele]

Great job on the edit of this! So much effort and will help a lot of people down the line. I’m going quest 2!

[@UnderRedPlayz_Official]

Quest 2’s are amazing I had one since Christmas and I can’t stop accidentally hitting the controllers and they still are good except I have drift but it’s not to bad, so yes get one

[@Eivissabelle]

now you have to sell your soul the the lizard robot man

[@carloscar2686]

Honestly im cool with lizard man

[@blue_ribon_mochi0450]

How do you get to play games in it since you don't need to connect it to a PC or something like that?

[@destructfulzombie4636]

@@blue_ribon_mochi0450 9 months late u prolly know already but headset doesn’t require anything, just turn it on and get started.

[@G3R0George]

I think that the Index deserved Tracking. Sure, the base stations are annoying, but you don't need to drill them into the wall. Also, The full tracking even when the controllers are behind your head is so nice compared to the front-only tracking. If the Quest 2 included optional base stations that connected to the console itself, that would be a real game changer.

[@od13166]

Only if longer longevity

[@fayenotfaye]

Just use the quest pro controllers, they have cameras on them so they can track even when the headset can’t see them

[@iiBakedDonut]

Thing I hate the most about Quest 2 is the hardware. I've crashed in so many games and my screen has been frozen so many times and this thing is still brand new.

[@GalacticHero2068]

Hey man! I really liked your videos! (specifically the VR related ones you've made recently) I would REALLY love to see more VR content from you! keep up the great work and high quality videos!

[@c0n718]

couldn't ask for a better review. thank you.

[@ultimatememer2235]

Summarized: Valve Index is high quality at the sake of reliability and longevity.

[@epianimates]

the audio on the quest 2 is what i need, if i had a valve my dad would be screaming at decibal level 200 before id hear him lol

[@jeffyoof2850]

Lol

[@cloudtail]

the index is litteraly made to hear whats around you

[@epianimates]

@@cloudtail I thought it had really immersive headphones tho?

[@cloudtail]

@@epianimates They sit off your ears by about half an inch or so they arent covering you by any means, I can litteraly hear my mom calling me from the other room with them on

[@epianimates]

@@cloudtail ok cool

[@zetathecreator9285]

Me: I like the valve index Also me: looks at room I think the quest 2 will do

[@teamall9205]

Lol

[@panduino2156]

The Valve Index has something people don’t give enough credit to: Unparalleled audio. Playing games like Half Life Alyx on the Index makes it insanely more immersive because it sounds like you’re actually in that world, not like you’re listening to it through headphones

[@Tiniuc]

And the microphone is top of its market!

[@_v1nce130]

literally this video is also so bias

[@BLAK-vg6qe]

@@_v1nce130 the guy in this video is a massive quest 2 user I wouldn’t be surprised if he biased it

[@bluestscrew7833]

@@_v1nce130 dude same, in a tier list video he did, he put the valve index at the same tier as the, THE FUCKING PSVR

[@anthonyeagleelk3593]

If you have a really good set like astro A50s then your getting just as good of audio as its totally adjustable with its software. And to the rest of you folks, Literally in the first part of the video he said he ahad 2 weeks with quest 2 and like 800hrs with index. I seeing people flock to hate on shit with others just because they found somebody who hates something like them with nothing but but looking dumb for not paying attention lol

[@elijahdechert5322]

I love my quest 2, but after quite a few months of use, I’ve had a number of software issues. Sometimes I’ll randomly lose tracking, if I take off the headset and put it back on I’ll have to hard reset it. Among other things, it’s basically unusable now and oculus support wont replace anything.

[@monuri0451]

Finally someone that doesn’t blindly listen to KZbinrs

[@chiboinu1395]

Yeah, i used to have a rift s that i had issues with and oculus support was a full on waste of time. They dont care about their customers whatsoever. Unlike steam support

[@_v1nce130]

@@chiboinu1395 steam support is hella nice

[@LukeZXL]

Bro I'm not sure what cursed unit you got cause I have a quest 2 and the only problems I've been having is like the headset occasionally forgetting the guardian place space and I just have to re-draw it

[@nathanthompson742]

Oculus quest is great for folks new to VR. I don't regret my purchase however it's limitations become apparent over time primarily with the link cable. It's a great addition and adds a ton of value to the device however if performance is important getting a dedicated headset might be the better option. I have a 3090 paired with a AMD 5800x however pc vr games with the official link cable while good can be a bit glitchy even with an increased bitrate. Overall though it's a great option to have just keep expectations in check as the quest won't perform as good as a dedicated PC headset

[@danibonilla1]

Great video! Keep up with the good content 🙏

[@weemillzo8548]

So it whent from great content to good

[@weemillzo8548]

@@The_one_who_is_foolish yes

[@joshuasgamingchannel2.029]

@@The_one_who_is_foolish YAS IT SO GOOD DO IT I LOVE MINECRAFT VR I TRIED IT AND... ITS SO FUN!!! MINECRAFT ALL THE WAYMINECRAFT GANGG!!!

[@28630tinkerbell]

Hey dude do you know that means hi-fi right

[@susanaramirez1936]

@@The_one_who_is_foolish yes you can

[@TheMoldyOne]

I am actually happy that my Valve Index has had almost 0 issues. The cable is still good controllers have had no major issues accept right controller not wanting to connect when first turned on. The base stations 2 of them have almost no whine and 2 have the whine. if you use something with some weight and hang it off the base station it will absorb the sound. Only Major issue I have with the headset is the glare, not terrible but would have liked it too not be as bad as it is. Have had the headset since April of 2021. Purchased March 8th 2021.

[@epycgamr696]

you could buy 2 256GB quest 2s both with link cable and elite straps for the price of a valve index

[@medizinee]

Exactly. The best possible Quest 2 (Link cable, 256 GB, Elite Straps, battery pack) still costs way less than an Index.

[@brandoncraig2923]

@@medizinee thats no where near the best quest 2 you can get for that it costs more then a index and g2 and is worse in almost every way

[@medizinee]

@@brandoncraig2923 What are you talking about? I mean this literally, I have no clue what you’re trying to say because of how poorly made that sentence was

[@a8lg6p]

I got into VR with Quest 2 can't remember how many months ago. Never would have gotten in to VR without being able to try it so cheaply, but I discovered it was amazing and became a VR junkie. Was on the fence, but ended up getting an Index...and I have not regretted it for a second. Quest 2 is great, but... I really prefer the Index. It's just so much more comfortable. I tried multiple head straps for the Quest, I like the halo one the best, but still... It's just so heavy. Might not seem like much at first, but after a few hours...the difference in weight makes a huge difference. And for PC VR, especially Steam games...just a better experience generally. Yeah, you can get a link cable... Virtual Desktop actually works really well for me, better than link cable...but neither can beat the combined Display Port, USB3, and dedicated AC adaptor of the Index. I thought the cables would be a downside, but in practice... I don't have enough room that I can roam around...even if I turn around in place, I'm more likely to hit something, so I just keep my feet planted. So I'd rather just have a cable and not worry about having to run out of power. I usually end up playing my Quest with it plugged in to my MacBook charger so I don't run out of power anyway. But the Index's cable is conveniently behind my back, but with the Quest, it hangs annoyingly over my shoulder. The better FOV is really nice. The controllers...pretty good, but even though they do have more of a premium feel vs the cheap plastic of the Quest, I'll actually give points to Quest, because the Index controllers restrict the range of motion of your wrists, and they give me callouses. But overall, I prefer using Index and am annoyed when I need to use Quest for some reason now. TL;DR: Quest 2 is a great way to get into VR, the value for the money is incredible... And it's perfectly adequate for PC VR. If you can't or don't want an Index or anything else, you're not missing out on THAT much. But if you have the money to spare and want the best PC VR experience you can get for $1K or less...The Index is totally worth it.

[@quinn6786]

I got both. I got the index on release, and I just got the quest 2 a week ago. I agree the quest does feel like it will be more durable. So far I've had to replace my index controllers through the warranty once, and I've had to replace the headset itself due to the speakers quit working. It was actually after my 1 year warranty and valve still offered to replace the headset which was awesome, granted it was only a month or two after my warranty expired. If I had to chose one and was on a budget id get the oculus, and even if you have a pc you can get the link cable and run any steam vr game. I don't agree with what you said about the base stations, here they are 100 for an extra, and it comes with two in the box, it helps if you buy one more (3 total). I don't turn them on individually each time, they go into sleep mode and when I turn on steam vr they fire right up, and I do not hear a sound from them unless extremely close, almost ear resting on them. You don't have to mount it to a wall, you can use a stand or set them on a shelf if you have one. So far after a few year they haven't failed on me. Then again, its nice to not have to worry about base stations at all. I love being able to walk any wear in my house and play my quest with a quick set up.

[@atu7t]

3:39 I'm sorry Index you're to God damm thick -GetHip 2021

[@shaquilleautomobile4795]

フアン

[@shaquilleautomobile4795]

For those who don’t know it’s Juan in japanese

[@itseffectzvr9304]

I MISS THE RAGE⁉️I MISS THE RAGE⁉️I MISS THE RAGE⁉️I MISS THE RAGE⁉️I MISS THE RAGE⁉️

[@syntheticant8172]

HMM I'M TRYING TO GET A FAVOURABLE REVIEW FROM GETHIP BUT I'M DUMMY THICC!

[@atu7t]

@@itseffectzvr9304 true moment

[@michaelbonfilio1569]

As a newbie to VR (just bought the Quest today), this video was exactly what I needed to see. I had been seriously considering buying the Index, but this video made me very happy with my choice. Great work, my friend! Very much appreciated! Cheers!! :)

[@DriftyWingss]

Hey! I'm looking for a quest 2 possibly, how has your experience been after a few months? Any issues? :3

[@michaelbonfilio1569]

@@DriftyWingss I love the thing! Definitely a worthwhile purchase for the $$$. It's a total trip...you'll get sucked in! 👍

[@michaelbonfilio1569]

@@DriftyWingss Oh, and no technical issues whatsoever!

[@BlackkDiiamonds]

how is it tho like just straight pcvr, thats my only flaw ive been hearing its just better for mobile. But id be strictly playing steam games connected to my pc

[@Norwaynumber1]

@@BlackkDiiamonds I went from a pc headset to quest 2, and mostly use it for pc gaming and it works really great. Especially after the wireless updates. I'ts feels like a native pc headset, and being wireless feels so much better than a cable. Just buy an external battery to put on the back of it, cause without it you can only play like 2-3 hours before you have to charge it.

[@thewolfstu]

Man, Valve's gonna have a *Lot* of data from all the Index's they've replaced, Just like, envision the sheer number off stories you heard of full headset replacements they've done and further realize how long the Index has been around. They'll definitely have a *Lot* of active use data to run through to improve their next VR headset for when ever they decide to release it. I say release cause no doubt Valve is working on *Something* behind the scenes, they're Valve, they are always cookin up something in their labs. lol

[@TheFallinhalo]

if they truely are making Deckard id imagine one of the reasons itl release later rather then sooner, is they likely want to put it through alot of Qualty Assurance tests before they begin mass producing for consumers. because their is just know they would want a index 2.0 situation where they have to constantly fill out RMA's and lose out on profit potential due to having to replace everyones hardware for free, hardware thats likely costs hundreds of dollors per componant to build, while ya it wont hurt their bottom line and sink them since they make 95% of their money via Steam, and some of it via index and deck sales, that still a alot of money being thrown away. ultimately as someone who wants to get into VR and wanted a Index, after learning about all the Quality Control issues, im going have to swear off on the index, and likely settle for a Quest 2 for now, get that on my Birthday (July 3rd) in 2 weeks, along with a link cable, and daily drive that for my VR headset til Deckard releases. im not willing to deal with likely having to RMA shit every couple of months. and potentially being SOL if things break out of warrenty, even if the warrenty was 3 years id have to say no. a $1319 (im Canadian) Device that is very prone to breaking is inexcusable to me. the main things for me, is i also plan to exercise with it, and i dont want to potentially destroy my headset from sweat in the process, and have to RMA it or lose out on $600, the other side tho im wanting to get into something like Pavlov and i know you need good tracking for that. but if i do have to make a decision, ill put up with the somewhat less reliable tracking during a compeitive Shooter game if it means i dont brick my Headset from too much sweat seaping into the lenses

[@koboa]

I, unironically, have the exact opposite experience in the controllers section for the Quest 2; my controller shell SNAPPED after hitting my clothes hamper which was close to me, so the durability isn’t all that good, (for me) and even though the material is white plastic and not painted plastic, the (what I’m assuming to be) matte coating scratched off along with color, on both the controllers and the headset itself. The tracking is fine though, and with the crack I just had to put some duct tape on the controller and let it seal for about a day. If you’re thinking about getting a Quest 2, don’t let my experience tailor your opinion, as this is a problem I’ve never seen on anyone else’s system. The Quest 2 is a great headset.

[@Maviel85]

Great video and fair comparison. I went for the Valve Index with 4x 2.0 basestations, 4 vive trackers 3.0 (feet, waist, chest) simply for VR chat full body. But I fully understand how you rated this.

[@FliiiegendeKaetze]

Vrchat doesn't support a chest tracker tho

[@Maviel85]

@@FliiiegendeKaetze Yet (I am hoping it will get implemented in the future).

[@gamesnic]

I don't understand why you'd need 4x 2.0 basestations

[@duckyishappy]

@@FliiiegendeKaetze It does with IKtweaks

[@FliiiegendeKaetze]

@@duckyishappy that, or any such mod, goes against the tos. I'm pretty sure vrchat does not support tos violations

[@charldhechter]

Great video! I got my Quest 2 just before the price hike and this just proves it was a very good choice and I'm very happy with it so far. Gaming on a monitor will never be the same again. Only issue I have is the battery life but it's expected at the price point which I will be addressing with a power bank. Mine came with a silicone cover in the box so now I feel special😂

[@marquisdelafayette3333]

“The controllers or how you interact with the virtual world” Hand tracking: am I a joke to you

[@stayfro3ty]

Yes

[@pogvr4554]

Its crap though. (from a quest 2 owner)

[@marquisdelafayette3333]

@@pogvr4554 I am also a quest 2 user and yes I know hand tracking is doo doo

[@rainersohns6489]

In my opinion the index controllers are way better, I think the buttons feel nicer and the joystick just feels way better. I also have 3 friends that have a quest 2 and 2 of them have very bad drift. I have a index and a quest 2 and i have spend over 350 hours in each. (600 hours with the index and about 400 hours with the quest.) And I think that the index overall feels better in quality.

[@WeAreHis.]

jesus christ 10,000 hours

[@average32potato]

@@WeAreHis. 10,000?

[@ThahomieeCastCrew24]

Tbh from 11 months ago to now, you have changed a lot you can see the drive and motivation in each and every video you do! Keep it up and meta what's up with a sponsor for this guy like omg 😅💯💯

[@VRJacky]

there are just not enough plugs in my room to charge 2 controllers, 2 base stations, have 2 monitors, my fan (for direction bearing) my PC, my lights, phone charger, smart assistant AND wireless access point, quest 2 immediately wins for me, if i plug anymore power squids in i trip the breaker EDIT: bearing in mind my room has 1 outlet that i current have 2 power squids plugged into eachother (a four plug and a six plug for a total of 9 because the 6 power squid takes up a port on the 4 one) and i currently have my phone, my lights (2 of them) monitors (2), PC, smart assistant, wireless access point and my quest charger

[@ravenlw87]

I like how every time he gives a point to the quest 2 he goes “I’m gonna have to give a point to the quest 2” but when he gives a point to the index he goes “The point obviously goes to the index”

[@Bated.]

because what index does well, it does incredibly well, but what they do bad with, they do terribly.

[@gorbonfree8245]

@@Bated. i think the index does software much better. oculus has the shittest software ever and facebook really need to improve it. Examples include: Link not even fucking working, resulting in me having to log out and log back in to the oculus software. Link randomly booting me back to the quest during gameplay Guardian resetting randomly

[@TheEvilCommenter]

@@Bated. Lol that pretty much sums up the entire review.

[@hanaka8735]

I bought the quest as a portable headset to bring on the go and it's now my daily driver. I ended up frankensteining it so it now has a DT 990 pro built in on the headset, mouth tracking, 3rd party straps with swappable batteries and VR covers. working on making my own vr gloves for finger tracking and from the looks of it, the way i am tracking the fingers is way more accurate than the index. Also want to try to get some eye tracking in there but that's for another project. I have had situations where I wasn't able to use it for a week until meta released a fix for some bug but 99% of the time it just works.

[@aspireforchange6793]

Yo that's a crazy cool project! How are you doing finger tracking?

[@hanaka8735]

@@aspireforchange6793 Flex sensors and laser tracking sensors on the gloves. Essentialy i just used the Roboy darkroom tracking system and tried to learn more how to make my own valve trackers, but, gloves.

[@sodicious]

Real life frankenstein? (with a hint of doofenshmirtz and palmer lucky)

[@Here4Kash]

When I saw your sub count I said he at least has 1,000,000 but then I saw that you only have 40,000 you are the most underrated VR channel I've ever seen in my life keep up the good work.

[@Windows98R]

Index both headset and controllers is really meant to not be thrashed upon. It doesn’t excuse it on being fragile but it’s also important to keep in mind it’s not for on-the-go or thrown about and rather to be sitting next to a full desktop setup.

[@bluestscrew7833]

True, also i think this guy is one of the most bias (to the Quest 2) VR reviewers i have ever seen

[@v12shane]

I'm pretty much a VR novice but you explained everything quite well! Great video!

[@googleruinedyoutube]

Having used both the Quest 2 and the Index, I honestly feel like a lot of the issues you bring up with the Index (mostly in reference to the base stations) are unfairly embellished. I agree with the controllers being uncomfortable after a while and the lenses potentially being an issue, but I've simply kept my base stations in standby mode for a long while now with no problems. Don't have to individually turn them on that way. I do realize this will probably be an issue later on down the line, but I also feel that by the point that does become a problem VR will have advanced to the point where I'd probably be considering upgrading to a new headset anyway. Also, to be fair, the setup on the Index is mostly a one-time thing unless you move the base stations or decide to completely move the setup to a different room, whereas you have to set up your guardian on the Quest 2 every time you play in a new location (unless you only play in the stationary mode). I also have some pretty high shelves I have mine placed on, so no need to mount them to the wall, which also made setup pretty simple. The sound from the base stations is also not noticeable to me at all unless I put the base stations directly up to my ears, though to be fair I do usually have a fan running or other sounds that may simply be drowning them out. All of the software-based issues are also at the fault of software developers and not the Index itself, so don't understand knocking it on that point. Again, having used both headsets, I can say that while I certainly love how convenient the Quest 2 is, I overall enjoy the Index more. To each their own, I suppose.

[@FurgusFungus]

One thing he should have mentioned is that the quest 2 is limited to a certain selection of game. Or did I just miss that part?

[@goldenalbumen]

@@FurgusFungus Well, it depends on what platforms the developer of a game is willing to sell it on (just like console games). If the game is able to run on Quest, it's really worth the devs time to put it on the Oculus store, seeing as how so many people are using Oculus. So while yes, some games might not be available for the Quest, a great majority are.

[@MinorLW2]

Oh also the link cable exists

[@lostecho4394]

@@FurgusFungus It isn't. You can play all steam VR games, all oculus rift games, and all standalone quest games with the quest 2.

[@Norwaynumber1]

@@FurgusFungus it's more the other way around. The Index can only play steam games (and rift games if you use a hack). The quest can play quest, rift and steam games out of the box.

[@0thorderlogic]

Thanks man helped me to make the decision.

[@TxaarsOnWeb3]

What did you take?

[@gavingraves8748]

I can’t say I agree with a few of the things in the video, but I do see that we aren’t really looking at it the same way either. I see everything from whether or not I’m going to have a more premium, immersive experience while it seems you look more in flexibility as well as ease of use. Because of this I would have swapped a few of the things around leading to the index barely winning, but I guess it is different for different people. Edit: I also would have added a category that dealt with pcvr quality since if you want to plug in the q2 to a pc, it doesn’t blend as well with it as even the rift s does despite on paper the quest being superior. In that regard the index would definitely win as well.

[@gremlinschanges]

I think that is a good point since he didnt put them into that category

[@sovietonion9542]

this feels like someone is hammering me till i stop wanting the valve index

[@sakura87019]

big mistake, don't do it

[@sovietonion9542]

U sure? cuz it really cool other than the cons ya know?

[@lolxddead]

i’m thinking bout it too 😣

[@sakura87019]

idk why would u buy an index when u have the Quest 2 , u saw the comparison its alot better

[@lolxddead]

true just wider fov and the eye adjustment for me on my quest is just not immersive, although it is for my friends and family. i’ve been looking for a good headset for immersive gameplay for myself. what other options are there besides the index?

[@saberx4732]

Realistically the only downside of the Q2 is the shorter fov and the IPD adjustment. Other things like uncomfortable headstrap can be fixed with a $40 accessory. You can get knuckle straps for the Q2 for like 20

[@nathanmallen]

But ideally, those issues shouldnt have to be fixed by throwing more money at it. If it’s a matter of personal preference, for sure, get an aftermarket head strap, but Facebook instead designed a better product, and didn’t strive to include it in the finished version. Instead, they made it a mandatory separate purchase. If you give a company an inch, they take a mile, and being compliant with having to buy items that make the product functional, after the fact of buying the product, is giving Facebook an inch. Just wait until they take the mile.

[@demonhunter3109]

But think about it, you can put excessories on the index too!

[@chan13153]

@@demonhunter3109 But the index cost $1000. And is missing a lot of important functions such as being able to do wireless PCVR. Can't do stand alone. You can literally get four Quest 2's or two Quest 3 for the price of one Index. And index only uses fresnel lens, base stations, is only 1600p. Compared to a Quest 3 which uses pancake lens, 2200p, XR2 Gen 2, stand alone, Colored passthrough, wired/wireless PCVR (wifi 6e). Valve index in 2024 is completely outdated and should be nowhere near $1000

[@demonhunter3109]

@@chan13153 i don't really care about price, also wireless vr is bullshit i think, i do not care that it isn't wireless. Why is such a big problem? If i had the option to choose between wired or wireless, i would choose wired, wireless is slow and just a downgrade from technology. And yeah the rest is true now its outdated, but you have to remember i made that comment 7 months ago, it wasn't outdated then

[@BosuDX]

I just want to include as this video is a year out now, currently there's a lot of cheaper and better alternatives now to the Quest Pro Strap, the BOBOVR M2 being the most popular. This is the one I use and I highly recommend, better quality than the pro strap, and is only $35. Also, all Quest 2 systems now come with a silicone cover for your facepad in the box if you don't like the feel of the sponge cover, so you don't even have to buy one yourself.

[@maddthomas]

I'm selling my Rift S and my oculus account and bought an Index just to get away from Facebook. Your rating in this video was great but "requiring" a Facebook account to use it is a deal breaker.

[@maddthomas]

@Christopher Delli_Fraine Google "Facebook violating privacy". Just trying to describe what Facebook does, for example, a person does not, nor ever had a facebook account but that persons parents, their friends and spouse/children do. That person who has never had a FB account, does not know that Facebook has a ghost account about him, and know everything about him, and that person has no idea. Example #2 Facebook can brick your Quest anytime they feel like it. If you do or say anything Facebook does not like or your name is similar to someone who pissed of Facebook or Twitter, Facebook will terminate your account and your Quest will not work. People with Quest 2 made a 2nd account just to use their own Quest 2, have had their headsets bricked,(FYI, Bricked, means software disabled/disabled on purpose or by a failed or corrupted update, etc) because Facebook knew that it was not a "real" account. Just so you understand if FB bricks your Quests 2 it is done it will not work, there is no mod or work around, Google it, they have done it to other people. Send it back and get something else, anything else.

[@_grimleythesequel]

@Christopher Delli_Fraine facebook is a shitty companies with shitty practices, if you dont have a facebook account ? ur quest is just a decoration.

[@dogeplayz5122]

Kinda just wasted money since they just removed it and pretty much every company sucks ur data dry ur using KZbin right now they also do the same thing

[@Ammothief41]

So I got the quest 2 and 👍👍. The screen is ridiculously clear compared to my og vive, the wireless air link worked right out the box, so far it's been great. No wires, just grab it and go, more room to run around with, etc. Wider field of view is only complaint, would make it perfect with.

[@nbagoats4819]

I'm not into VR and just use it maybe twice or three times a week at about 15 to 30 minutes each time. What I liked about the Oculus was the simplicity. The other option VR systems was just too cumbersome for what I prefer to have. Oculus you just strap on and go. Others you need space and sensors etc. There is noway I would spend over 1k for something that I just don't have much of an interest in.

[@JonBow_]

Wow this is one of the best videos I've ever seen about reviewing. You are incredible and I hope I will watch more of your videos in the future

[@coobdoe5607]

Tracking goes to the valve index 100%. You don’t need to drill your base stations into your walls. You can just put them on shelves or something else high enough to track everything. The tracking quality is absolutely amazing compared to quest 2. Also, if you are in warranty, you’ll get replacement base stations for free.

[@Zeriel00]

Yea, how about the 200$ sensors and the tinitus sound? plus having to turn them all on every time? plus the cables and setup? Meanwhile the Quest you turn it on and go. You can even play local PVP outside! So no, not a chance.

[@coobdoe5607]

@@Zeriel00 you aren’t supposed to keep on turning your base stations off and on every day. You leave them on all the time. If you keep doing that you’ll kill the motor

[@laos85]

I ain't gonna pay $700 for a slightly better tracking which come with lots more problems which doesn't exist in Quest 2

[@coobdoe5607]

@@laos85 slightly?

[@coobdoe5607]

@@laos85 and also the tracking with the index does not have a lot more problems, the quest 2 does such as guardian glitching, hands randomly flying around, random tracking loss

[@ch3rryvixen571]

Even now I still prefer my Index over my Quest 2

[@BlakeRosss]

I can't say I agree on many of your Index points. The glare is barely noticeable to me. The lighthouse sensors, while expensive, have given me pretty much no issues. On top of that, there's a setting in SteamVR to put them in standby when you quit. You shouldn't ever have to plug in/turn on your sensors manually. They start up when you start SteamVR. Sweat has never been an issue for me. Just take care of your HMD. If you are sweating so much that the whole thing is soaked, take a break. Pop off the easy to remove magnetic face gasket and put it in front of a fan. I even wash em every once in a while in the sink with cold water. I've got an Index and a Quest 2, and it might be because I'm an enthusiast, but the Index wins hands down in almost every category for me. The one exception is portability/wires obviously. The Quest is super easy to haul around. Other than that, the Index provides a level of immersion that is leagues ahead. And the tracking is so much better (SO much). There are Expert+ songs in Beat Saber that I pretty much can't do on the Quest (or i barely make it) because the tracking can't keep up. I could go on.

[@Yveldi]

You do seem to know what you're talking about, especially regarding the simple facts that the sensors don't have to be turned on and off manually. However, you would also be aware that your experience doesn't represent the majority of users, and if the Index is significantly more likely to break in a short time, it must be mentioned in a video that is also aimed towards those who might be saving money for a significant amount of time to be able to afford the Index. I am also interested in the Quest 2's tracking quality compared to the Valve Index, and the consensus of nearly everybody seems to be that the Quest 2's tracking has no perceivable issues. Again, even if you're doing worse with the Quest 2 on any game that you play, it may be placebo causing you to play worse as you put less trust into the controllers. It could even be that the brightness in your room isn't ideal when you play on the Quest 2.

[@BlakeRosss]

@@Yveldi I agree that reliability issues should be pointed out, and I didn't really argue against that in my original post. However, there is an obvious, noticeable difference in tracking quality between the Index and the Quest 2 and I know it's not placebo. I've also seen several people online that have noticed the same thing. There's a reason most people that own both HMDs use the Index as their daily driver. It's not only the tracking speed (which is a big deal to me - it literally can't keep up in fast Experts+ Beat Saber songs), but it's also tracking blindspots when your hands are too far out to the side as well times where my hands fly away in-game when they are just sitting by my side in a resting position. I can't play Beat Saber seriously on my Quest 2 for these reasons. With other games, tracking errors aren't as noticeable/frustrating because you don't need to maintain a perfect combo with no mistakes. So for more casual games that aren't timing based, the controllers are fine (except for the hands flying away thing that sometimes happens). My lighting is fine; I play with the lights on. It's not just tracking that makes me want to use the Index, though. There are a ton of quality of life things from the Index that win me over. That's for another comment, though.

[@BlakeRosss]

@@kev4378 I'm still pretty good on my Quest 2, don't get me wrong. But I'm way better on the Index. The tracking/responsiveness is just so much better, especially because I play at 144hz. Plus, there are camera occlusion issues with the quest that drive me nuts. This song is an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iajFfZmCaNaqn5o The part that I linked has you crossing your arms constantly and when I play this on the Quest, it misses half the time. Meanwhile, on the Index I never miss any blocks there. Who knows, maybe a big part of the issue is just the difference between Quest Beat Saber and PC beat saber. I don't have a link cable to try it out on PC with the Quest, and there's too much latency to play BS with Virtual Desktop.

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@Yveldi 'you would also be aware that your experience doesn't represent the majority of users' that's because most Q2 users have never tried an Index. They presume the Q2 is better because it's new and has a higher resolution. The Index isn't perfect but the Q2 is a toy in comparison.

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@brandonhvac4148 Every HMD has issues, for example the horrid Q2 headstraps that snap, or the facial interfaces that are giving people rashes, or the terrible IPD options, or the fact you have to charge the headset, or the video compression when linked to a PC, or the latency issues, or the FB account, or the not-so-great controllers compared to the CV1 versions, or the fact it's inside-out tracking, which, to be fair, isn't bad, but give me basestations/sensors anyday. Yeah I have an Oculus DK1 too, and got CV1 on release. It's all personal opinion mate. I'm not a massive fan of the Index either, but it's a very good headset - I personally don't get on with the controllers as much as the og Touch. The audio and fov and very small SDE, along with the best tracking available are all very important plus points. Also 144hz is a nice option, although I don't peraonlly use it. I have a Vive Pro 2 on order, but the Index shits on the Q2 imo. I personally would rather have wires because I trust the tech more than wireless: The wires don't bother me one bit, and until a standalone product comes with a DP (or even HDMI) connection to a PC then I'm not interested (there is a new HMD with this functionality actually, as you're likely aware). As I say it's all personal preference. I got rid of my Reverb G2 purely because the sweetspot/area of clarity was tiny - Some people agree with this but others also don't mind it. The only HMD I truely fell in love with is the Rift CV1. I still use it today for some apps. It's amazing.

[@akatsuki_todesfall]

As a Quest 2 owner, it pains me sometimes but when you look at it from a larger perspective you really are getting your money’s worth, I agree but I wouldn’t recommend it dependent on what people are looking for. I tell my friends that all the time and make sure to go over pros and cons with them. 😂 The audio glitch on my end is an easy fix for the most part (because sometimes when talking, friends inform me I sound muffled and in a fishbowl) but the fact that it struggles with connecting to a computer so much, despite its simple setup, makes me extremely frustrated. I use VRChat so it’s very limited for me as it was one of the things I wanted to buy the headset for but when plugged in it’s a dream and a perfect backup if anything goes out of commission since it’s standalone. I love / hate it. I’ve been using it since last December.

[@DriftyWingss]

How have you been finding it a few months after? :3

[@thevictim1371]

Same I am a og on quest 2 I agree there’s pros and cons and in vrchat the thing is like a 50 dollar phone but still playable. It’s not terrible just good.

[@akatsuki_todesfall]

@@DriftyWingss After over 1 year of usage I think I gave it a much worse for wear rep than it deserved and didn’t point out much of the pros. I’ll leave my second opinion below! PROS: - Affordable - Stand-alone / wireless - Optional PC tethering w/ link cable - Sharp display - Accurate tracking - Array of user settings - Newly provided silicone cover (for foam piece) -- CONS: - Facebook account required - Inner foam facial piece causes skin irritation (hence the better silicone cover) - Material headstrap needs constant adjustments (possibly due to stretching out over time) - Short battery life (2-3 hours) - Loses tracking at times - Has you redraw guardian every now and then - Graphics aren’t the greatest in stand-alone for some games (i.e. VRChat) -- FINAL THOUGHTS / ADVICE: The Quest 2 has a lot of good settings to mess with like… - Adjustable brightness - Adjustable night display - Dark / light mode - Hand tracking - Double tap passthrough - Virtual environments - Color correction (for those w/ deuternomaly, protanomaly, & tritanomaly color blindness) … and more. This could be helpful especially with comfortability. For users, I recommend messing with those especially the night display, brightness, & dark mode to help put less strain on the eyes. Virtual environments are also nice and some are either bright or dark, there’s no sound but ambience as a whole with the vibe can be important for some. I personally use “Cyber City”. Hand tracking is also convenient although playing should be done in a well-lit environment for easier tracking. Keep in mind also, some applications haven’t implemented the Quest 2’s hand tracking. Passthrough as well is also convenient and gives you the option to see the outside world even with the headset on your head so you don’t have to remove it if, let’s say, someone comes in your room to talk with you or you drop something and need to get it. If you have one, it’s also much better with play if you plug it in to a PC (as mentioned above with tethering) for PCVR games. I personally play on Steam and use SteamVR with it. Graphics on its own in games like VRChat isn’t the greatest. I haven’t tried things like Airlink and such but those are also available. All in all, with my final thoughts, it really just depends on what people like. Facebook can make or break a decision - although if they don’t mind it then I do recommend it as it’s good quality for the price although not quite as comfortable as some other headsets. I wouldn’t buy it right away though. They’re releasing other headsets and a Quest 3 or something of the sort at some point and there’s also other really good options that are already available. It’s really important to do the right research to find out what’s good for you. For what it is, this is good for me and I’m thinking of zombifying it with add-ons, trackers, etc. (as I mostly use it for VRChat) and just invest in it to make it really feel like it’s mine. ☺️

[@gorbonfree8245]

@@akatsuki_todesfall also the software being horrible

[@GothicSoldier9000]

Pretty much all the Quest has to do to become the perfect wireless VR headset is: - Get an IPD slider instead of static positions - Come with controller grips, a padded strap and a battery pack standard - Have a wider FOV - Ditch Facebook integration (or Facebook could stop being data hogs, but wishful thinking) Maybe also add base station compatibility through Bluetooth to improve tracking?

[@room_805]

this video has been extremely helpful, I've been overwhelmed with which VRheadset to get because i just don't have alot of experience with them and i didn't want to get one that i'd end up hating. im not a huge tech savvy person so being able to see and hear someone's full honest opinion on both systems has been really relieving for my decision making!

[@zaccwiggins]

Honestly, if I have a fun time using it, I don’t care what type of headset it is

[@jaming9184]

Your bank account will care

[@lumpyroots9650]

@@jaming9184 Not if I buy it using the money I made from CS:GO and TF2 trading of course!

[@CelabroSpace]

You're literally the channel I was looking for!

[@BAeAirHawk]

I disagree with you giving the point to the quest for tracking. First of all, I would say turning on your base stations would be part of setup, like how on the quest you have to redraw your guardian sometimes. However, if this is apart of tracking, I can say that turning on 4 base stations is wayy easier than redrawing a boundary every few times I turn on my quest. Also if that part of setup factors in to tracking, sometimes the guardian stops being tracked and you have to redraw it. Mid play session. It doesn't matter what you're doing, whether it be almost finishing ghost on expert+ on beatsaber, or going for a 3 pointer in echo arena (this of which has happened to me several times), it's not constant. Taking the effort to turn on base stations is less effort than turning a pc or your console on, and then you can just forget about them, and they're not at all audible while wearing the headset. And this isn't even starting on how jank the quest tracking can be sometimes. Sometimes a controller disconnects because you shook it too much, if it's not nearly in your veiw you can't do anything with it. A big example of this is gorilla tag, I commonly looked up at a branch I wanted to get to, so I struck the floor to jump. I don't go anywhere, so I have to look down, try again, then quickly look up hopefully in time to hit the next branch. Or playing stride, I would have my controllers disconnect commonly because of the constant shaking of the controllers used for running. Having said all that, is it really reasonable to say pressing literally one or two buttons to go into vr is too much hassle for decent tracking? No, it's literally as easy as turning on the lights, something that absolutely has to be done for the quest. Disclaimer, the quest tracking is great (don't let this comment stop you from buying the quest), it just pails in comparison to base station tracking, and this better tracking was very unfairly ranked in the video. Tl;dr "oh no, I have to press one button to track my headset, whatever shall I do?!" is a really dumb mindset + setup is not tracking Edit: looking back at the section of the video, drilling base stations into your wall is setup, and base stations dying is reliability. I understand the "having them in sight" can be annoying, but if you set your room up well it'll never be a problem. Buying an extra base station would be part of cost I think btw.

[@epicnicity916]

You can disable guardian. I agree that the index tracking is better, however, you do need to drill a hole on your wall and mount a device that can fail and is expensive to replace, like said in the video. In my opinion, inside-out tracking will always win, just turn off guardian.

[@BAeAirHawk]

@@epicnicity916 I don't think I've ever properly considered turning the guardian off before, as I've always thought what's the point, I'm just going to wack stuff in my room, but realistically speaking you are right, you can just put a small mat in the center of your playspace and probably be fine. Not everyone can turn it off though as getting a dev account isn't always something people want to go through, although getting that would be apart of setup. Also I think somehow base stations are pushed too much as something that needs drilling into walls, as I've heard of people putting them on stands or shelves, and I personally have them stuck to the wall with 3m command strips, which are sticky pads that attach them to the wall. Doesn't mean it's any less of a pain than drilling them in, but at least you don't need to drill the wall. Base stations failing are still a problem though. As I said though I do think that base stations failing are reliability and I can see that that reletively uncommon occurance would impact tracking(+ cost bc replacing them), but putting them up is setup, their price is cost, and getting a dev account for the guardian removal is apart of setup. My point is I feel the index tracking is downplayed much more than it should for factors that are much less to do with the tracking itself, and more the setup and cost.

[@BAeAirHawk]

@@epicnicity916 also thank you for reading all that in my initial comment, as you can see I have actually used paragraphs this time

[@ZantierTasa]

Very useful comparison, thanks very much!

[@daveyg0728]

One of the BEST comparison videos I ever seen, thank you so much for the great info!

[@AndrewNHartsock]

You are my new favorite VR youtuber. I love how unbiased your content is!

[@micahcoupaud6067]

You're kidding, right?

[@coopermcgrath7819]

you forgot to mention the elite strap has weak points and there are tons of reports of the strap breaking at the same place but tbf oculus are allowing refunds fro like 2 years but its still good to mention

[@IamtheVinja]

I was thinking about upgrading to a Valve, but after watching this, I just gotta say thank you for saving me a grand!

[@slappinharderthanwillsmith7854]

Me watching this on the oculus😑

[@Shya8]

I've been contemplating on deciding whether I should go for a enthusiast grade VR headset like the VIVE family or something more streamlined and more value for money as my first VR headset....just got my Quest 2 yesterday and never looked back...great video and helped me decide my purchase

[@chrheca]

how's it holding up after 8 months of use?

[@epicnicity916]

hey, got an update for how is your quest today?

[@cassiuscartland]

honestly only reason I would take index over oculus (I REFUSE to call it meta) is because of Facebook. FaceBooks dodgy privacy practices makes me feel like im being stalked while playing. Secondly, the amount of Facebook stuff they shove down your throat is close to the amount windows gives you (and that's no compliment). Like, why does it come installed, with messenger, insta, WhatsApp and Facebook? and why do I need a meta account to use the headset???? Lastly, it feels like meta is shifting from high quality games to random web apps.

[@mrtato5797]

Hell yh I'm early love the videos

[@ketowolf]

Great in-depth review! Pretty thorough and felt mostly fair! The only thing about this review I honestly felt like I had to take with a grain of salt personally is the “reliability” discussion. And I’m not at all giving you a hard time over this, you were pretty fair and reasonable throughout the entire review! You mentioned the Index having “well documented” reliability issues but from what this review implied, all reliability issues were simply based on empirical data, ie: “based on reports I’ve seen online and my friends, it FEELS like there’s WAY more reports on one vs the other.” I think this is a super natural thing to do as a consumer of anything, and formally gathered data is way more work and sometimes not really possible to gather, but… I’m always very careful about at least making a distinction between empirical data and formally gathered data since empirical data is a hallmark folly of the internet- often the loudest voice is heard over the factual common voice. I have no idea if there is ACTUAL data collected on both these machines to make a factual comparison on reliability, which if there is, then I’d be very happy to treat the reliability discussion between these two devices as factual. Anyways! This was a great video that you put a ton of work into and it shows. This helps a little bit with my decision! But I’m still doing more research. I absolutely abhor Facebook but… that wireless option is SO appealing to me… because I hate wires. But also the index controllers are amazing, I love the no-handed grip feature…. So still gotta do more research but thanks for the video!

[@vinhix]

There's also the aspect that Valve Index was released more than 1 year before than the Quest 2, so of course you'll find more reports on Indexes failing, because at the time of the video index were doing almost 2 years, while Oculus Quest only existed for 6 months... also the drift issue was adressed so its not that common now, saying that they did nothing to fix the problems is a lie. And lets not forget Index is from steam, which has a platform where people can complain and bitch about it, while Oculus doesn't... so it's really easy to find people complaining about it there, while the Oculus won't be that easy, since it'll be all spread out over the internet. Also about the warranty is depends where you live, in Europe its 2 years warranty and now will be 3, because they need to respect European laws if they want to sell here. Another thing he said was that he had to turn the trackers 1 by 1, which was a problem, well just connect them into the same power supply, or leave them on since they enter standby if you close steam... I also don't understand why he complained about the noise they make, when you're playing you don't ear them, and why would you leave them running when you're not playing? Some of the complains seem to be there just for the sake of complaning.

[@gorbonfree8245]

@@vinhix also he conveniently didn't mention Oculus's fucking horrendously designed software

[@zuziabeez]

So hear me out. I have both the Q2 and the Index, I find myself using the Q2 a lot more surprisingly. The comfort for me is fine without any extras or head pieces because my head is pretty small, the Index does have the "little head" head piece but that doesn't suit my comfort very well. For only 299$ at the lowest, Q2 is definitely a better choice for people who aren't that tech savey. But if you're looking for quality and experience, just get the Index. - My opinion

[@_v1nce130]

yeah this video is alittle bias since i do personally think the index is better (not for the value part just the software and tech inside) First of all he says that the valve index has alot of screendoor affect this is totally not true when getting immersed in a game you cant even notice it because you have to look for it to find it and for the index it will take awhile to find second quest released a really bad update that could kill the quest forever forgot what it was exactly i would have to loook it up to remember third he talks about how the index breaks alot but i know some people who have literally threw the index and index controller so far like 20ft - 40ft and them still not breaking. SOME DUDE did a whole as$ backflip landed face first not one thing broke but that little covering on the front thats not even needed.

[@crenshawsozogaming2149]

Thanks for the detail you put into this and your hard work. Definitely made my decision much easier.

[@iam3m377]

getting my quest 2 in 2 days so i'm just binge watching all the quest 2 videos i can *excitement*

[@icedgriffin4704]

Did you get it yet?

[@SobboMonkeVR]

2 2 2

[@SenRa07]

just to add on 3 things that where missed out on this video. 1. if you got a bluetooth connection on your PC the base stations can turn on & off automaticly when starting or turning off Steam VR. 2. the warranty doesn't only lasts 1 year on the Index. my cable broke down twice and Valve replaced the last one even after 2 years. my controllers started having a drifting issue after a little of 2 years and they also replaced both of them without asking questions. (about 2200hrs of use) 3. expandability: with the index everything is compatible within the Steam VRs lighthouse eco system, you could use the crappy vive controllers of the vive pro if you wanted to, but you are also able to use upcomming controllers. You also have the ability to use trackers for full body tracking etc. but i understand this review in a mainstream view the quest is a winner, but the reason why they sell it so cheap is simply becasue you pay with your identidy for facebook. there is no way facebook makes any profit by just selling these based on the hardware.

[@mrkrabskovitch3597]

As of 2022 I’m hoping they are going to fix some of the flaws with the valve index. I know they fixed some controller problems but that’s all I’ve heard. I am going to buy the valve index in the next couple months so hopefully it’s just as reliable as people like Jacksepticeye say it is.

[@truffle_cs]

i'm buying one as well, going from a quest 2 so i'm hoping what I hear isn't too bad

[@BeardLessMage]

@@truffle_cs what are your thought on the valve index going from the Quest 2?

[@truffle_cs]

@@BeardLessMage I've been out of VR for a while but it was really solid. Only annoying thing was the cable and slightly heavier headset. It felt really good though. I even did handstands with the controllers and they didn't break. Using base stations are annoying too but you get used to it.

[@BeardLessMage]

@@truffle_cs thanks for the reply dude

[@dasmithstaizzle]

Hi! I'm getting a new Quest 2 in the next weeks and am doing lots of research. I have to say this was a very well done video. I watched to the end and learned quite a lot. Thank you.

[@hyperdrive6325]

I have had my index for only 2 days and I absolutely love the index. I have had a quest 2 for 1-2 years and it’s good but there are very serious issues I’ve experienced. 1# the graphics look like trash or you can connect it to your pc BUT if you don’t have a cable or a good internet connection you will have to sacrifice your graphics to get a decent experience. Unlike the index where I set it up and when I got on and NO LAG AT ALL, I haven’t experienced a single bit of lag since I got it which is surprising because I have had so much lag and framedrops with the quest when playing pcvr games LIKE REALLY BAD FRAMEDROPS like I could have 120 fps one second and than 3 fps the next which is not fun. 2# Although the index takes a bit to set up its really not that hard it only took 30-45 minutes for me but the quest took around 15-20 minutes and I was set. 3# the index is pretty comfortable but the faceplate can get annoying but the quest is even worse because it makes my face itch so much after only 45 minutes which is really annoying. I’m not going to continue on my rant about the quest because I’ve only had the index for a couple days so I think it may be to early to judge.

[@idkwhattoputhere.9891]

Fun fact: EVERY SINLGE PERSON WHO USES A CONTROLLER WITH A THUMBSTICK WITH THEIR VR HEADSET HAD TO REPLACE THEM AT SOME POINT BECAUSE OF THUMBSTICK DRIFT

[@superkii]

my dad just used cleaning spray it did make the Y button not work for a second

[@gamingking3562]

quest has a thumbstick and ive had no problems

[@idkwhattoputhere.9891]

@@superkii Yea a cleaning spray is an actual solution to thumbstick drift, but you have to use the spray again after some tie tough.

[@idkwhattoputhere.9891]

@@gamingking3562 It will at one point.

[@idkwhattoputhere.9891]

@Sargent Winter There is a cleaning spray for electronics that should fix it, i dont know the name tough.

[@rokujxn6035]

Think I´m gonna sell my Index, buy an quest 2 + Link Cable and safe the rest of the money. Probably. Thanks, buddy!

[@triggeredbeetle5370]

dont do that, just... dont

[@rokujxn6035]

@@triggeredbeetle5370 already done buddy. Got the thumbstick drift right after I Sold the Index. :(

[@higorbotelho3483]

​@@rokujxn6035 Buy a good router instead of link cable, playing Wirelessly via Virtual Desktop is insanely good

[@rokujxn6035]

@@higorbotelho3483 I am already impressed how good the quest 2 works on steam vr. Do you recommend a Router for the quest?

[@jtywyyty4452]

@@rokujxn6035 Thumbstick drift on the quest 2 or index?

[@atemjw]

Im getting an oculus quest 2 for Christmas and IM SO EXCITED

[@S0LAR_FN]

Ik this was 2 years ago but I hope you had fun with it

[@atemjw]

@@S0LAR_FN It was really fun, but now it's kind of getting boring after using it for 2 years straight, fun doesn't last forever.

[@lilgoopy]

i regret buying the index sometimes, i already had my trackers from the vive and ended up spending the 750 on the controllers and the headset, my friends have the quest 2 and they seem to enjoy it, i love the beta hand tracking and how the screen door effect is removed for the quest 2, i’ve tried it and it’s worked great, there are some big issues i’ve had with the index though, i had to reinstall windows just to get the fucking thing working again, the valve is great but it’s not worth the money, the quality doesn’t match the price, if you’re gonna get the valve, i would highly consider the quest 2 with a link cable and elite straps👍

[@lumpyroots9650]

The index is more future proof IMHO, the Quest 2 will start to show its age as it’s just an android phone in a VR headset body, the Index will be future proof as long as you upgrade your PC for the times.

[@brandoncraig2923]

Good points but i would take an original vive over a quest 2 in a heartbeat

[@soap5547]

nah fuck Zuckerberg an his facebook shit, that alone makes the index worth it.

[@UnequaI]

@@lumpyroots9650 lmao yk whats funny the quest 2 plus the quest pro/quest3 would still be less than the valve index so what im saying is quest 3 would be more future proof its confirmed to have 15 cameras and no controller rings thats all we know for now but we will see plus quest 2 has better resolution than a 1000 dollar vr headset and you can make it 120hz in the settings

[@UnequaI]

@@soap5547 nobody knows you lmao he’s a billionaire

[@jakobfeatherstone7607]

The quest 2 with some aftermarket head straps and hand straps is a fantastic experience. This vid put into perspective how outdated that index is, screen door effect, lighthouses, cheap construction. Makes me wonder why it’s 1000 bucks but lacks in so many areas.

[@mrskinnyjeans6246]

Congrats! You have just gained a new subscriber! 🥳 🎉

[@starshipgravitron238]

Great job ! I was on the fence with deciding on a VR hardware purchase, but after watching this , you described my dilemma perfectly. Keep up the good work !

[@britishfireworks]

The valve index is amazing but for the price I expect an experience like the quest 2 when I got my quest 2 easy as fuck set up and still good as new the valve index is a great concept but they fucked up big time with some stuff

[@laos85]

Yea the way is built, many hardware to worry about, and the cords.

[@Youmadfrfr]

Thanks.... I'm getting a quest this Christmas but I'm being tortured because I want it now because of all the videos Ive seen

[@vtidsvr4674]

Index obviously has superior tracking to Q2! I leave my basestations on so no need ot turn them on, but if I do turn them off/on it's literally plugging the plug into the socket (no issue at all). Drilling a hole for the basestations takes 10 minutes and then you never need to touch them again. The best way to answer which of these 2 headsets to pick is to ask yourself "Can I afford the far superior headset (Index) and do I have a capable PC?" If not, you're stuck with Q2 anyway so the rest is irrelevant.

[@GuitarooMan93]

Happy to have chosen the quest 2. Its plug & play, comes with air link feature, its confortable with the elite strap, has a nice display/resolution, no screen door effect. Even the sound i personnally find it good enough, and in worst case, you still can put your gaming headset on. And now it comes with 120hz ! So for me, the only downside of this headset is thats you HAVE to have a facebook account to use it, and that the FOV is pretty low but overall i'm really happy with it !

[@YouCanCallMeMich]

thought it was only 90hz?

[@deStRuktOnXBL]

@@YouCanCallMeMich it’s changed

[@YouCanCallMeMich]

@@deStRuktOnXBL Yeah bought one in the meantime and enjoying Half Life Alyx at 120Hz :)

[@_v1nce130]

wh o is gonna tell him he was ripped off with the elite strap (LITERALLY RIPPED OFF)

[@Railbugman]

Thank you, very informative. Trying to decide what I want for my first VR headset.

[@micahcoupaud6067]

Careful, this man is very biased

[@CyanideCold]

so better equipment but facebook starts advertising singles in my area or 1000 a year but glare on the screen. hmmm...

[@idk._sethh]

Great comparison, though I strongly disagree with the drift, I've used my friends index multiple times for a while, and never had any drift, and said friend has had it since it released in 2019 and has had no drift, and I've had my quest since christmas 2020 and I have had drift for a few months now, and it is entire headset ruining.

[@kannakobyashiuwu4086]

this is also a good reason for why quest cant handle a durability test over a long time period

[@xd_Corruption]

@@kannakobyashiuwu4086 the quests durability is literally better, must've just used the full force of the sun the break that thing

[@kannakobyashiuwu4086]

@@xd_Corruption maybe if you would read the user manual, it says DO NOT USE IN SUNLIGHT. you can severly damage the headset that way.

[@xd_Corruption]

@@kannakobyashiuwu4086 im just gonna face palm at that message

[@mattmilliken1510]

I just got myself a quest 2 for christmas (for 250 US) and have been playing both native quest games as well as steam vr on a beefy rig, and have wondered how much better the experience could be to justify a 4x price increase. The only thing I noticed from watching game footage with the index was the individual bottom 3 finger tracking, which as you say is a novelty that will wear off almost immediately. I didn't do a ton of research before I bought the quest, I just got the only one that was in my budget and on sale, and I love it. Seeing this makes me pretty secure and confident that I'm not missing much and could even miss out on some things by "upgrading" to a headset that costs several times more. Having to set up wall mounted sensors, no grip button, worse lenses, worse controllers, etc. I'm glad my blind purchase was the correct one.

[@ZigzagEnd]

15:44 they made it the cheapest possible so you don't have to pay more on start and can have the option to buy a better one seperately

[@Omlet0s]

12:49 thought he was gonna promote raycon lol

[@monke8839]

Thx for making my decision easy, I'm so glad I'm getting a quest 2. Thx

[@homernoy]

Dude. You are high. You don't need to drill anything, just use cheap tripods. I understand the userbase of Quest 2's are growing, but this entire video seems sponsored. And I have a Quest 2, OG Vive, a Valve Index (never broken, never have had drift) and an old DK1 Rift. There is no noise from the base stations that are in the corner in of my living room. Maybe if you put your ear next to it you might hear it. I never have. This video seems like propaganda

[@angelusb2066]

From what I've seen this is a fairly common consensus the valve index is ambitious but unless you're an enthusiast you wouldn't want to run the risk of sweating a bit to much and busting your console I'm sure if they make an index 2 it would win

[@kungfudell07]

As a quest 2 user I wanted to know what the big hype for the Valve index was but now I know 😄

[@kungfudell07]

@BCN_PLAYZ I am I just wanted to know what really made it popular alongside the quest

[@Zeidinho]

Great comprehensive analysis, many thanks for posting

[@goodtyme]

i want an oculus headset with the fov, audio, and controllers of the index

[@hexamirofficial]

Minus the Facebook signup xP

[@leverman7517]

Oculus with the fov or Pimax 8...

[@brandoncraig2923]

Decagear1 it dosnt have the same fov but its higher then the quest

[@normrubio]

What ruins the quest, is Facebook. All points removed from the quest.

[@Hesham2008A]

So what about Facebook

[@Treddian]

@@Hesham2008A They're pretty much the evil corporation from every movie

[@Hesham2008A]

@@Treddian I guess so, lol

[@adhdenjoyer7422]

Yea Facebook is pretty much a dealbreaker for me

[@minecraft13149]

@@adhdenjoyer7422 if you’re gonna use pcvr mod it to block telemetry and make it have no Facebook account requirement

[@sirsquish]

dont get quest 2. if u want to do air link or quest link it can kick u but i cant on valve index

[@thefathercreator]

I have the quest 2 and I will get a valve index

[@biqsy9843]

Same I love both can’t wait to get my valve

[@yihyong815]

If you don’t have a great gaming pc then get a quest 2... but if you have a great gaming pc and you can afford a valve index then it’s a no brainer. This is comparing apples to oranges.... valve index is amazing, best consumer headset on the market period. If a budget isn’t an issue, go with the index, it’s the best experience money can buy.

[@Treddian]

@@brandonhvac4148 I've never used a VR headset in my life. I have an Index on the way and I'm pumped. I know that Steam has my back for the first year and if something goes wrong after that then I won't feel bad. I'll just re-evaluate future purchases in light of that.

[@brandoncraig2923]

@@brandonhvac4148 yeah sensors that break years and years after you get them is definitelya draw back you know how many people still have there vive base stations let me tell you its alot also i wonder how many peoplr have had there lens fall apart iv only seen 0 😱 the controllersis pretty the only place your right about

[@The_Reedys]

The only bad thing I have to say about the oculus controllers are that if you scrape them on any painted surface the color will stick to it, and also if you have hand that dead skin or dirt that comes off it will go into the battery slot and make it harder to open.

[@YaBoyBibo]

basically the index is like an expensive car, it feels like a luxury product and makes you feel great while using it, but it just isn't as reliable or sturdy as a good ol' quest 2.

[@till3560]

My lighthouses 1.0 (the steamvr base stations) are connected via Bluetooth with the link box and automatically turn on and off whenever I want to play. Would be pretty weird if they removed this for the 2.0s, so you should probably check your base station and energy settings by right clicking them while steamvr ist started

[@gremlinschanges]

So my lighthouses go idle when I dont have steamvr on a blue light instead of green where the motor's movement seems to be a lot quieter and lesser then when its being played with

[@till3560]

@@gremlinschanges you could try to right click on one of the light houses when steamvr is running, there could be some option like energy management or Bluetooth setting's, at least for me with the first gen lighthouses that's the case