Odds & Ends 39: Viewer Mail and Shop Update

[@MattsMotorz]

I really liked the view of you standing in the doorway. Really puts it into scale.

[@VintageMachinery]

+MattsMotorz Yep, this thing is big! Thanks for watching!

[@raincoast2396]

Great update Keith, thank you. A little info for you on your shop temperature control - Automatic temp controlled window openers and closers. I put these in my little greenhouse a number of years ago and are still working fine, with minimal maintenance. The cost was not that great. Maybe something for you to contemplate as you run your electrical lines. These work great for being thermostatically controlled, to vent hot air out from the peak height. Set and forget. As an afterthought because of the amount of rain we get, I installed a rain sensor that closes the window vents. Again, minimal expense. Cheers.

[@SuperYtviewer]

Nice to see your "shop foreman" come by and give approval for the work to date. Looks good so far, enjoyable to see a dream come true. - Annie

[@VintageMachinery]

+SuperYtviewer THanks!

[@80spodcastchannel]

the cat was cracking me up trying to get your attention....LOL nice build Keith... Seeya Dude

[@VintageMachinery]

+80spodcastchannel ( : FACEBOOK DUDEJERKY ☆☆☆☆☆ Ole Josie is always trying to get attention. When we moved here, she came with the house and would not have anything to do with us for the first six months. Now she is right under foot every time I walk out the door!

[@80spodcastchannel]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org maybe you gotta do a cat video now...LOL

[@ramosel]

Plumbing... more than the toilet, I was glad I did it for a stainless wash sink and counter. Cold toilet seats in the winter are no fun and yeah, short walk to the house is worth it. But having a hot water source for numerous projects and cleaning the Mrs doesn't want in the house is a wonderful thing...

[@PeterWMeek]

+ramosel - Eyewash station seem like the most important to me.

[@chemech]

+ramosel That, first aid, coffee and iced tea, and as none of us is getting any younger, the toilet for those inconvenient solid voidings becomes more of a requirement...

[@ronicard]

I didn't realize the shop is at your home; I was thinking it was going to be at the museum. I'm even more impressed now as that is a beauty!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Ron Icard Yep, this shop is my own personal shop. My dream for many years! I will still be working at the museum but this will give me more time to spend in the shop when all I have to do is walk out the back door.

[@ScottHenion]

Can't wait to see the shop closed in. That is absolutely huge! Have worked on building houses and a recording studio. I loved framing as you walked away at the end of the day to see a big change. Working on computer stuff, you don't really see the results of your work much. I'd love to set up a shop I could semi-retire in. That has become a goal.for me. Been raining for the last few weeks here in N. GA. Garage flooded as leaves plugged gutters. Funny how the news weather used to show the current yearly drought deficit and lake levels; they stopped doing that ;)

[@VintageMachinery]

+Scott Henion Yeah, the news only shows what is bad and never what is good. What frustrates me about N. Georgia is that every few years when they have a drought and the lake levels get low, all the talk is about doing something to get more water to that part of the state. Then when it starts raining, they do nothing. They need to stop talking about it and do something about it. The fear down here in South Georgia is that instead of doing more to build reservoirs up there they will just come stick a big pipe into our water and suck it all up north and put us in the same boat as you guys.....

[@ScottHenion]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Yes, I fed up with the water wars between ATL all the way out to neighboring states.

[@MarkGarth]

Looking good Keith and nice to see a shop cat :-)

[@dondotson4604]

Keith, Thanks for the shop updates. I am excited to see it finished and loaded with you equipment. It is Sunday Jan 31, 2016 and today I'm on my way to work with my stepson on our shop. Today it's moving things and framing a wall so we can set up pallet racks. Then soon move all my automotive stuff out of the machine shop area so we can move my equipment in. Don from Oregon.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Don Dotson Way to go with your shop! I am very anxious to start moving stuff in!

[@bcbloc02]

Coming right along! You will be moving in in no time!

[@VintageMachinery]

+bcbloc02 Making progress....

[@sandrammer]

Sooo glad you didn't put any electrical in the slab! As a Maintenance Electrician at the Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Fl I always hated to try to fix circuits that had been enclosed in cement because the slab rarely stayed solid and if the slab split the conduit usually sheared off and ruined the conductors. Much easier to run it overhead and in conduit. Especially in an industrial setting where access to the j-boxes and conduit might be hurt by whatever is taking place in the shop. Much faster/cheaper/safer to replace circuits that have shorted out or need to be upgraded if the circuits are run in conduit. Glad to see the shop making some progress. By the way, you could use the patterns that the fella sent you if the size difference is minor. Simply fill in the hole with molding sand and once the item has been poured you can machine an appropriate groove into the casting.

[@VintageMachinery]

+sandrammer Agree about the electrical in the slab - not the way I want to deal with things.... As for the pattern, it is just too big all around so I will need to scale the whole thing down some.

[@garyc5483]

Hi Keith some good progress on the shop. I see the cat is looking for new lodgings already. :-) With regards to the roof, why tin ? Would not wood and shingles give better protection from the heat and reduce noise levels from rain etc ? I think the "A" frame idea is a much better idea than an overhead crane for the type of shop you are aiming for. I like your idea of a little pond. :-)) My whole property including the garden and my pond would fit in there 3 or 4 times. (maybe my jealous side showing here ) :-) regards from the UK

[@VintageMachinery]

+Gary C The cat will likely take up residence in the shop as soon as possible. She is a good mouser so she will be more than welcome! As for wood and shingles, it really comes down to cost - the metal roof is a lot cheaper to put on the barn and it will also hold up much longer than shingles will. Most roofs with asphalt shingles over plywood will have to be replaced every 20 years or so in our climate (no matter what the warranty says) while a metal roof will last over 50 years and at a fraction of the cost.

[@larrymeek9207]

Keith' I like how straight the framing is. I built a 36 x50 just like yours with concrete and an upper floor. Since I was working by myself, I had to figure out how to raise the 10' walls by myself. Solved that by making a gin pole base to slide into my receiver hitch on my p/u, attaching a 2x8 to it. ran rope through it back to each forward stake pocket on the truck. attached a 2 speed boat winch and a pulley at the top. Build a 16' foot wall section, tied a bridle to the upper plate, hooked into the bridle with the gin pole hook, raised the wall and backed the truck up to the j-bolts and anchored and braced off the wall. Was surprised how easy it was to do. The neighbors were surprised that I walled up the whole slab in less than 2 days by myself. The reason that I brought this up is I know there are a lot of diy people that watch your videos and you like to impart your experiences to us so maybe if I help some one raise his building by his self then all this typing will be worth it. love the videos.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Larry Meek I would have loved to have built this thing myself but I just don't have the time... I have seen some of those gin poles before and they are quite handy!

[@binks166]

What a Shop!! You are going to enjoy it so much!

[@arkansas1313]

Keith, I did this type of work for 16+ years (in the late 60's, 70's & early 80's decades) before moving on to 32 years of horizontal construction. I provided the customer with a firm fixed price (no final mystery number) and would do the site work to the last door lock and final floor mopping or to any stage in between they chose to be constructed. About 50-60% of the time I provided the design, drawings and their specifications. I was very competitive and usually was the contractor who got the job. I loved it but had to remember if the walls were over 8-9', the extra labor costs was usually increased by 20-50%, depending on the project/conditions. I really enjoy seeing this type of building (as it is extremely easy and fast to do) and 'miss it' sometimes. Your shop is looking very good and appears to have high quality carpenters doing the work. I'm very proud for you and btw, you'll love its size! Thanks for the video.....13

[@VintageMachinery]

+arkansas13 Thanks - I am very happy with the job my contractor is doing. Yes, it is taking some time but we had an agreement up front - he is giving me a better price on doing the job since I am being flexible with him to allow him to keep some other jobs going at the same time. It is really coming together nicely and it will be done soon enough - but I am of course anxious to get where I can get into it!

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing...really nice shop.

[@VintageMachinery]

+ELSDP-45 Thanks!

[@987kestrel]

I can't believe how calm you were when that Georgia swamp panther started to stalk you. Very brave. :)

[@VintageMachinery]

+Rickshaw Jack The scary thing is that I did not even see that swamp panther until I edited the video. They are very stealthy....

[@stuvs830]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org vintagemachineryandswampcat.org? Never too many cat vids- now this channel is double trouble. 😊

[@swarfrat311]

Keith, Your shop is going to be the envy of every machinist on KZbin! Things are looking great! Thanks for answering the questions. I know I asked a few before and they were answered. Thanks so much for sharing your dream shop and the part for your clamp. One question just popped into mind . . . will you have a forklift? Have a good one! Hope the weather cooperates! Dave

[@VintageMachinery]

+Swarf Rat Forklift - not now, but I sure hope to have something one day. I do have a tractor with a bucket on the front that also has forks that I have access to but it is not here all the time.

[@MotoWanderer]

Hi keith, Don't skip on the office, no matter how much it costs. Trust me, when I built my shop I said the same thing and I regretted it soon after, even though my shop is 50 feet from my house on a 70 acre land. It's no fun going back and forth when you need access to computer, sitting down in air conditioned space and designing or just taking a break. Not mentioning that it serves as a clean space for all measuring and fine assemblies. Reconsider putting in an office, it won't cost much and it's a must for any serious shop.

[@VintageMachinery]

+MotoWanderer The office will come, but it will be in a future phase of the project. I am getting this project done on a pretty tight budget.....

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed, great view/scale with you standing in the entry!

[@VintageMachinery]

+outsidescrewball I have to admit that it is bigger than I was thinking it would be. Darn.....

[@shadowdog500]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Once the walls go up it will seem to shrink a little. Buildings always seem to look bigger when they are just framed out. I bet you will still wish you had more room in a few years. my shop is half your size (30X52) and it is a constant battle keeping clutter down. Chris

[@wilddhc2]

My dad advised me years ago, design what you want/need, when you are happy with it, double it. Twenty years down the road, it will be to small !

[@Rich206L]

That was a great update on the shop, Keith. Here's two more questions for you: 1) What kind of finish are you planning for the floor? I would suggest epoxy. It's tough and easy to sweep and maintain. 2) Insulation. Are you planning to insulate the ceiling (roof) and walls? I would recommend at least 1" Styrofoam under the roof for two reasons, First, the noise reduction. Being in a building with a metal roof (unless it's steel plate), will be like the inside of a snare drum when it rains. And secondly, most of the heat that comes from the sun will come from the roof, potentially turning the interior into a big oven. The Styrofoam is laid down first and then the metal roof goes over it. It's relatively inexpensive and very east to handle too. One inch thickness equals about an R19 factor. Well, that's all I have to say other than to thank you for another great video! Regards, Rich

[@VintageMachinery]

+Rich206L I have considered putting epoxy down on the floor but I have to admit that I am leaning against it but only because it will be a pretty big expense for such a space as I will have. As for insulation, we are going to insulate the entire building - the roof first and the walls later on as I have the money to do it.

[@OkieDutchman]

Looking great Keith!!! I especially like the cat coming over. sitting down, then looking out to the camera. I can just imagine the thought" who are you talking to?" Sorry but I got a snicker out of that. Can't wait to see this finished!!

[@VintageMachinery]

+OkieDutchman What can I say - she likes attention...

[@tombellus8986]

Nice shop Keith, thanks for the up-date

[@VintageMachinery]

+Tom Bellus Thanks for watching!

[@Rouverius]

Looking great. Loved watching the cat trying to figure out who you were talking to.

[@ianclapham3579]

Great shop build. I will definitely try to visit this October when I go from Orlando to Covington. On my vacation from the uk

[@VintageMachinery]

+Ian Clapham I hope you can make it. Please let me know ahead of time when you might be coming through!

[@phooesnax]

It is a great looking space! Very happy for you

[@VintageMachinery]

+phooesnax THanks!

[@MrThisIsMeToo]

Nice video Keith. A couple of points hit home with me. No bathroom or water? I thought similar about the 40 yards to the shop, then I realized that is 80 yards round trip that I am not spending in the shop. Bathroom and a nice utility sink worth its weight in gold. Same with in floor utilities. Like someone mentioned to me, why tie yourself to what you are thinking now? Overhead it is for me and gives me freedom to change as well.

[@Lykin333]

I just built a 24' x 24' workshop, boy do I wish I had the space for one that size. I can't wait to see your new videos filmed in that wonderful space.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Base Blades I can't wait!

[@1970chevelle396]

On my garage when I did the electrical I wrote it down on paper and figured out where each piece of equipment would go. So I knew beforehand where to put the 220 volt plug sockets at.

[@VintageMachinery]

+1970chevelle396 I have a plan for where things will go, but what do I do when I buy some unexpected piece of machinery (which happens to me all the time). I know well enough that where I plan to put something today will probably not be where it is a few years from now.

[@krazziee2000]

gonna be nice for you,,, I have a heat pump and that was the best thing ,,, also a bathroom but I still use the trees ,,,, nice work.thanks for the video .....

[@VintageMachinery]

+krazziee2000 I suspect that a heat pump will be added one of these days. Right now, it just does not fit into the budget!

[@JunkMikesWorld]

Having an RPC (rotary phase converter) is no doubt the best option. My new shop will have a line for 3 phase. The RPC will be connected to it. That way all of my machines will be permanently connected to that line. When I want to run my machines I will simply crank up the RPC and go to work. Presently my machines have to be directly plugged into the RPC. It works but is a little inconvenient having to change plugs and move the RPC around the shop. Your shop is looking just freaking awesome! I am pretty excited looking at the progress, so I am guessing you are so excited you may wet your pants? Thanks for sharing! All the best! Mike East Palestine, Ohio

[@VintageMachinery]

+Junk Mikes World I am actually planning on installing a second three phase breaker box and run circuits to my machines. It will all be powered by the RPC. For years, I had one plug on the RPC in my old shop where I just plugged in what I was using....

[@JunkMikesWorld]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org I think having a breaker panel would be an unnecessary thing for me as I work alone and typically run only one machine at a time. Besides the plug my RPC is in has a breaker and my RPC has 30 Amp fuses in it.

[@danmetzger5583]

The cat photo-bombed you real bad!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Dan Metzger She just wanted attention. She has bombed many of my videos....

[@RjBin-xz2um]

Shop looks great! It will be nice to see you start making videos from it when its all done :)

[@VintageMachinery]

+Rj Bin1971 I CANNOT wait!

[@johnleake708]

Sounds great very spacious. The gantry crane idea is what I am intending to do in my new garage shop. You may find that some large vents on the roof peak or near it will help draw cooler air in during hot periods. I know how hot and humid it is during summers in the deep south having lived in Virginia and Southern Mississippi. You do woodworking, and a dust cyclone would be a great addition, however they are not cheap, and the duct work is not cheap either. I am putting in a ClearVue 1800 cfm cyclone in my shop now.

[@VintageMachinery]

+John Leake A friend of mine has a nice blower that he is going to give me but I will have to buy or make the cyclone to go with it. Yet another project....

[@GUSMIX22]

Nice progress on the shop Keith !!! Very very nice... Brian F...

[@VintageMachinery]

+GUSMIX22 Thanks!

[@NGinuity]

When you were talking about the bathroom and being 40 yards from the house, it reminded me of a very corny joke my dad used to say. "Have your read Forty Yards To The Bathroom Stall?"... ...by this time you have a confused look on your face "Written by Willie Makit" ...you roll your eyes "Illustrated by Betty Wont"

[@VintageMachinery]

+NGinuity LOL - I have been in those shoes before...

[@Thunderstixx77]

You're gonna have to buy a whole bunch of new stuff to fill that baby up!!! This will be fun to watch !!! Take care and be safe! Steve

[@VintageMachinery]

+Steven Thompson I seem to already be on the way to getting some new machinery. I have bought a couple of lathes and a surface grinder but I have not moved them yet as I want to get the shop dried in first. More on that to come!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Steven Thompson I seem to already be on the way to getting some new machinery. I have bought a couple of lathes and a surface grinder but I have not moved them yet as I want to get the shop dried in first. More on that to come!

[@cougarhunter33]

That's going to be one sweet shop. I could literally fit my house and entire yard inside of it. The bass will eat up all your bream. My father had to have the bass fished out of his fishing hole because they ate everything to include the channel cat fingerlings he had it stocked with.

[@VintageMachinery]

+cougarhunter33 Yes, the bass will eat the brim but if you don't eat some of the brim, I will have too many brim in the pond and they won't ever grow to get enough size to them. My plan is to just put a few bass in the pond and hopefully things will balance out.

[@mrbluenun]

Hi Keith, Really interesting video, thank you. I can fully understand the build as you need thing, with a building that size sorting out the air-flow in the first come second year to see exactly how much solar heat you can save, but also of course see how with various window settings you can find a way to rid the air of that kind of claustrophobic heat that seems to gather oh so quickly. Having said that you might want to consider some kind of heat soak on for the most part the outside but who’s air can be vented into your shop on chillier no sun type days?

[@VintageMachinery]

+mrbluenun We will figure things out as we get there - right now, I just want to get it dried in so we can start on the next step towards moving some machinery into the shop!

[@tlcbear2]

i really like the building wish i had one like that. you are going to enjoy that so much .

[@VintageMachinery]

+tlcbear2 Thanks!

[@edwelch1986]

Different Subject: Just watched the indexing plates get drilled, how are you going to "mark" them ? engrave, stamp, ?? Great looking shop !! ;

[@mattwilkins1597]

Love that shop. It is a show piece as well as functional. I am jealous of the heat/a/c issue. No heat where I am means that you aren't working in it 4-5 months per year.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Matt Wilkins For use, it would mean not working 4 or 5 days a year, and someone who can stand the cold better than I can could probably work right through it!

[@RoelTyros]

Hello Keith, A great update from your shop and now it's getting more and more real shapes but the hight of the shop is higher than it looked before. Now when you're in it than it looks much higher than before when the top roof was not finished. Besides, strange that you don't have standard an 3 fase connection to your house because here it is standard. Or better say, they only have to make some connections in the cable that is in the house allready. Hopefully the weather stays a bit dry but here it is the same now as at your place, rainy, not really cold anymore. But I will look forward to the next update and who knows, maybe next year at the same time you're video-ing in the new shop. Many greetings from Roel !

[@VintageMachinery]

+RoelTyros Three phase is common in a lot of countries even in residential homes, but not here in the US. Many power companies will not even hook it up to a home if you beg them! And if they do, you usually end up paying a commercial rate for your power which is usually higher than for a home.

[@RoelTyros]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Here in the Netherlands, when a electric stove or oven uses more than 3 Kwh, you may not use single fase and only 3 fase. But never knew that it isn't normal in the US that residential homes can have 3 fase. Maybe because of the distances that are much bigger between the electricity plants. I also noticed that in much places in the US the power cables are above ground here you see that almost never. All cables are here under the ground and only the high KV big ones are above ground.

[@DonDegidio]

Keith, Place looks great. Thanks for all the updates. One thing I haven't heard mentioned is humidity control. You did mention eventually, as finances will allow, you would like to install air conditioning but how will you control humidity in the meantime.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Donald D'Egidio Just having the space insulated will do a lot to keep machines and things inside from sweating, but not so much to control the humidity. It is just something you learn to deal with down here.....

[@wilddhc2]

On the "bucket list ", a windmill would be a great project and complement the building style.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Rexx My wife has commented the same thing!

[@ChrisB257]

Building coming on well - for sure, a traveling crane gantry is way to go.

[@VintageMachinery]

+ChrisB257 Thanks!

[@coffeemaddan]

Another gripping project :) Looking good so far

[@VintageMachinery]

+coffeemaddan Thanks!

[@KnolltopFarms]

Looking good Keith. One thing, just in case you haven't heard this 100 times already, please do not buy one of those rolling portable A/C units, I have one and it stinks. Needs a drain, the vent hose puts off as much heat as you're trying to remove, etc. Yes everyone, I know that you vent it out the window, but it's not insulated and gets very hot, trust me The best solution nowadays is ductless zone cooling, no bulky ducting or big holes in the walls, etc.. I'll send you some pictures of the one I have in my shop, and it is awesome! I'd be happy to walk you through that process when the time comes next Summer. Just wanted to stall any of those rolling A/C's before you got stuck with one, so that's the only reason I'm bugging you with it now, as I'd hate to see you lose $. Thanks as always for the video. I'm off to feed the hens and make Pop breakfast, Aloha...Chuck

[@VintageMachinery]

+Knolltop Farms I would be interested in your system as I have been looking at options and the portable AC unit is one that is on the list.

[@KnolltopFarms]

I'll make a video of it and send it to your email this weekend. I just love your shop BTW, it has such a nice design.

[@silverbullet7434]

Wow , that's going to be a beautiful shop. My dream would be one like that. I've got a small two bay garage overfill of tools and supplies of all kinds. it's amazing how much you can accumulate over the years . Many of my tools came from my father and grandfathers . They all were woodworkers home builders and more. I went on to be a machinist and worked my way to journeyman ,I was a Forman at the last shop before I became disabiled in 1979. I still stay busy as weather let's me doing small engine and mower repairs. My machinery consist of a Logan lathe 11" , a harbor freight drill mill, miller kanuth power hacksaw, Rockwell delta 7 bandsaw, 20" Rockwell delta drill press with power feed . Several welders and a Esab plasma 875 cutter. I've done lots of fabrication and would love to do some molding work with cast iron and brass, a lost art for sure, I love living vicariously thru these KZbin movies. Oh in winter I do some leather working , I've never seen any of the machining guys use a mic holster so I'd like to send you one if you want . send me an address Thanks again Gary

[@VintageMachinery]

+Silverbullet Thanks Gary! I will send you my address in another private message!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Silverbullet Well, I tried to send you a private message but it looks like you have your messages turned off. Shoot me an email for my shipping address - I show it at the beginning of each of my videos right under my name when it pops up on screen.

[@madmodders]

One thing I've seen a few questions about but no answer. Cross braces. I see no cross braces anywhere. Are you going to rely on the wallboards to keep everything from becoming askew? Or is it something I'm missing?

[@VintageMachinery]

+MadModders I will be adding some cross braces to the main timbers. It probably won't happen until I get everything done outside simply because I will be adding them myself and I don't want to get in the way of what the contractors are doing.

[@madmodders]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Oh, ok. Well that's good enough for me. :)

[@billdlv]

Looks good Keith hopefully the weather holds for you to get the roof up.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Bill De La Vega Keeping my fingers crossed...

[@aserta]

For the clamp feet, be sure to beef up those ears, that's how a lot of them get lost, the ears break from uneven pressure and they come loose in time on the ball joint. I'd say 5 mm all round should give it that extra it needs. Also, i'd say make the paths inside the ears a little on the loose side as well.

[@aserta]

Build a crane like the one Keith Fenner has. It seems to be a very sturdy and useful design, especially with the swing locked arms. I imagine making a turn on a wider shop floor with that thing is easy as cake.

[@VintageMachinery]

+aserta I am planning to build something very similar to what he has.

[@larrypardi9143]

Don't know how the grading was before but that roof will capture a lot of rain, so the pond might need to be dredged. I kid! Thanks for the update and I can't wait to see you working in it.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Larry Pardi Yep, a lot of water will come off that roof, but because of the stupid way they built that pond, it will all drain down one side of the pond and not into it. That is part of the reason it dries up from time to time....

[@SuperBowser87]

I have a Federal base like he gave you. awesome tool. I think I paid 2 dollars for it at a yard sale. it is a vintage piece I think. oh it came with a federal dial indicator also. very old indicator. any updates on the Vance planer?

[@VintageMachinery]

+Tom Wilcox No updates on the Vance. I need a Saturday that I can focus on it and it will be finished. Probably going to wait for things to warm up a bit since it is outside the shop though.

[@bluegreenash]

Looks like a great pond, shame about drying out in drought conditions. Perhaps you could make a water storage bowser (that collects rainwater from the roof of your new workshop), then you could drain the bowser into the pond to help maintain the water level.

[@VintageMachinery]

+bluegreenash We are already draining all of the runoff from the house into the pond. It helps but just is not enough. Whey they built the pond, they did not do a good job placing it where it will get much natural runoff.

[@bluegreenash]

idk about local water resources but is there a nearby river you could run a supply line from? or perhaps a small borehole down into the local water-table, don't have any idea on how much that'd cost though it'd save restocking the pond with fish.

[@mrfrog3350]

You're gettin' there Keith.The furry rodent hunter is a good idea.Couldn't think of much worse things than having mice in the shop.That's a nice little fishin' hole. Would a windmill to circulate/aerate the water help control the mosquitos?They get bad up here in Michigan. Thanks for the updates

[@VintageMachinery]

+Mr Frog Surprisingly, I don't have much problems with mosquitoes. Not sure why as the area I live in is pretty wet most of the year.

[@mrfrog3350]

You're lucky.We call some people's ponds mosquito farms.Hope you get the shop roughed in soon:)

[@janvisser2223]

That shop is awesome Keith!!! I am not jealous at all.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Jan Visser LOL - Thanks!

[@tedsykora1858]

I have a suggestion for hot Georgia. one of my favorite items in my Wisconsin shop in the hot and buggy summer is a 4 foot barn fan that blows on me to cool and the air current keeps the bugs away.

[@VintageMachinery]

+ted sykora A good fan is a must down here in S. Georgia. The gnats will drive you crazy in the summer....

[@davidcashin9194]

Hi Keith I have a question for you are you going to put insulation in the walls to help keep the heat out and also under the tin roof. I have a tin roof on my shop and am kicking myself for not insulating under the tin so I kook in the summer so may be give that some thought. Dave

[@VintageMachinery]

+David Cashin Yes, it will be insulated throughout. Maybe not right away, but that is the first thing on the list when I start doing improvements as I have the money to do so.

[@davidcashin9194]

I thought that might be the case in my case i just didn't have the money an then it became to hard to install and I have to live with it. If I had my time over I would have forgone something else to get the insulation. But it will be a dream shop what ever way you do it you are so lucky enjoy every moment of it. Dave

[@1stage]

Great shop update, Keith! And I LOVE the cat. So, a shop grand opening party in the early Summer? I'd fly in for that!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Sean Harrington I might have to have a move in party and get everybody to come help move everything in....

[@justinbell5696]

You are living the dream, my friend.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Justin Bell I count my blessings each and every day!

[@dinxsy8069]

Is there any issues with condensation build up with using Tin roof where you live? In UK it's terrible with the constant change in temperature.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Dinxsy There can be problems if there is no insulation under the tin. But adding some simple insulation takes care of all of that. I plan to insulate the entire building eventually but the roof will be the first part that gets it.

[@dinxsy8069]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Had wondered if you was going to insulate it, wasn't sure as you mentioned that the winters were mild.

[@ericbeckers2673]

wow, that shop is huge. I like the style.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Eric Beckers Thanks!

[@LightningFabrication]

Very nice shop Keith and it's coming along nicely. one question that I haven't read or heard you answer. Sealing the floor, are you going to seal the floor and what are you panning to use? I really enjoy your videos.

[@VintageMachinery]

+MD500E99 Probably won't worry with sealing it.

[@charlescompton4495]

One of the hoists like Keith Fenner has would be great! He built his and I'm sure you could come up with one similar. Also, when you get older the 40 yard dash may as well be a mile, you know what I mean Vern? Greg

[@jusb1066]

+Charles Compton i dunno how it is the usa, but in the UK once you put in 'services' water, toilet, and associated drainage, its a different ball game for planning, much harder process and may be refused, where a simple garage type (electricity is fine though) can require no planning at all

[@VintageMachinery]

+Charles Compton The hoist that Fenner has is what I am talking about when I say "gantry crane". Mine will be similar to his except that I hope to have it so I can raise and lower the main section depending on what part of the shop I am working in. As for the bathroom - it will probably get added but right now it is not a high priority due to budget constraints.

[@notsofresh8563]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org If your machines are near the posts, you could mount swinging hoists to the poles that would swing out into the main open section, pick up the hunk'o'metal off the trailer, swing it around under the side roof over the machine. Kinda like the mail bag arms on the side of a railroad.

[@greathodgy22]

. You are sure going to enjoy the shop when it is done. .

[@VintageMachinery]

+greathodgy22 Can't wait!

[@WayneT51]

Plant a lemon tree around the back, they thrive on blokes urine, if it will survive in you strange weather. Good luck with the build, it's looking good. Greetings from down under.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Wayne Jones We can grow some citrus here. My father in law has a lemon tree in his yard and he gets lot of lemons some years. If we have an early freeze, they don't make well but the tree will survive. We can also grow some kinds of cold hardy oranges and tangerines here.

[@joetiller1031]

I have said this before that is one neat shop I like the way you are planning it in the future a little at a time like they say you got to crawl before you can walk. Using a rotary 3ph is the way to go around here 3ph service is rated commercial and is expensive.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Joe Tiller If three phase was available here, I don't think the rate would be that bad as there are a lot of users here using it for agricultural purposes (irrigation wells, etc) and I don't think they have to pay the commercial price. One of the nice features of getting your electricity from a local EMC rather than a big power company. But, it is not an option for me so it really does not matter.....

[@NSTRAPPERHUNTER]

Looking great Keith and you're going to be lost for awhile in a space that big.

[@VintageMachinery]

+NSTRAPPERHUNTER That is a problem I am looking forward to having!

[@shade38211]

Really like the barn style design. Windows on top tier should really really help with lightning and overall eye candy.

[@VintageMachinery]

+shade38211 Thanks - I like it!

[@Nodularguy1]

I hope you are getting a discount for a fit in job? That thing should have been built and finished in 10 days. Very slow building process IMO. It does look like a really nice building though and I hope it gets weatherproof soon.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Jeff Barr Sure, if they had a big framing crew, it probably could have been done in 10 days. But most of the time there have only been three guys working on it. If I had wanted it done in 10 days, I could have gotten it, but it would have cost me a lot more money. I am not cutting corners on the quality of the build, but I am OK with them taking longer to get it done if it will save me a bunch of money. I have a pretty tight budget for this building.

[@Nodularguy1]

Only three guys ? Makes sense then on length of time. That is a lot of work for three guys. I am used to seeing those things pop up like new seedlings in spring. One day it appears. The building looks really nice. Looking forward to the new videos in the new shop. Good luck to you and yours !

[@bluegreenash]

Also the bad weather won't have helped.

[@notsofresh8563]

If you want AC, build a swamp cooler using the pond as a water source. Not the evaporation kind, just circulate pond water through radiators with fans on them throughout the shop, and return the warm water to the pond. You would only need to pay for power for the pump and fans. I bet it would work awesome and is a great way to utilize the pond water.

[@notsofresh8563]

+Notso Fresh Even if you do put in modern AC the swamp cooler setup will reduce the bill a bunch.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Notso Fresh You are the second one to suggest that!

[@63256325N]

Your shop is coming along nicely. Question: did you price the use of pre-made roof trusses as an alternative to what look to be 2x6 rafters? Lot of work cutting all those. Thanks for the video.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Duncan “DunMac” Mac No, we did not even price trusses - I wanted them to be open to the top and that is not something that you can easily do with trusses. Generally speaking though, stick building rafters like that is cheaper than trusses, and they are better attached to the building than trusses would be.

[@63256325N]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Thanks Keith.

[@tedvanmatje]

mother of god, keith, that barn must've cost you an arm and a leg!! i must say though, that your builders over in america must work like dervishes to erect a building that quickly....and a beautiful one at that. I'm looking forward to see how it turns out in the end. btw, the cat looks overjoyed...the cheeky little devil probably thinks you're building it for her! maybe you could put a sign on the door with her name on it? ;)

[@ScottandTera]

looks great. keep up the good work

[@VintageMachinery]

+Scott Tyndall Thanks!

[@ericcorse]

Going to be an awesome shop, are you going to put any insulation in especially under the roof?

[@VintageMachinery]

+Eric Corse Insulation will be one of the first improvements I do. I have to get the electrical all done first and next will be insulation. I will start with the ceilings and then do the walls. It is amazing how much cooler a building is with just insulation and no air conditioning.

[@halnywiatr]

Keith: Contact the electric utility and schedule a full meeting with a commercial account specialist / conservation specialist. Many utilities have programs that the on-the-phone-customer-service-happy-voice doesn’t even know exist. Depending on the utility they may have programs that will basically allow you to pay for efficient lighting with the savings over standard T-5s. (In any case, mix in different types of fixtures. (Even with good LEDs or flourescents if it is all the same the lighting will always seem “off”) Also, either through the utility or independently look into solar panels. With over 3000 s.f. of roof there are lots of outfits that would like to contract with you for that area.

[@VintageMachinery]

+halnywiatr Worth looking into. I know the people at our local EMC (Power Company) so I might check into that.

[@halnywiatr]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Excellent! Programs and incentives are always changing so keep in touch with them. Invite them over for sweet tea and biscuits and let them think of this as their baby too. If they really like your project there might be opportunities to cooperate with their marketing department.

[@eformance]

Keith, a question I didn't hear addressed, but I'm sure you get it, is: What is it costing to build your shop?

[@VintageMachinery]

+eformance I guess I won't know that until I am finished!

[@eformance]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Could you give some idea of the breakdown so far? Grading/pad prep, foundation, framing/shell, electric, planning fees, engineering, etc?

[@goldsilverandiamonds]

I think I would put in some large built in fans to move air, keep thing cooler and help keep machines cooler when running.

[@VintageMachinery]

+goldsilverandiamonds Don't be surprised if you see something like that.... The fan should be installed this week....

[@nicholassmerk]

I suggest you pick up used window AC's as they come up. I've gotten quite a few for really cheep or free. The largest issue is just having the electrical service and paying to run them. You'll need big ones to suck the heat out of that if you ever want to run them part-time.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Nicholas Smerk We will figure something out - right now, just wanting to get into it and get to work!

[@PeterWMeek]

Definitely a gantry crane. No (reasonable) bridge crane will give you the coverage you need. Rotary phase converter: get that out into the adjacent shed with the air compressor for noise control.Consider locating as much of your AC units out there as possible. (Quiet AC; cheap AC - pick one.) I have a lot of electrical conduit, ducts for extension cords and air hoses, dust collection tubes, and the like, built into my slab. I really didn't want to be tripping over cords and hoses. They tend to be collectors of moisture and dead mice. Overhead seems like a better choice. Consider some CAT5 or CAT6 Ethernet wiring; Machines make for an electrically noisy environment. No reliable WiFi. This may not help - a lot of modern electronics doesn't have hard-wired Ethernet connections. BTW, a happy Robert Burns day to all. (Silly joke to follow) David Cameron [UK Prime Minister] is visiting an Edinburgh hospital. He enters a ward full of patients with no obvious sign of injury or illness. He greets the first patient and the patient replies: _"Fair fa your honest sonsie face, Great chieftain o' the puddin race, Aboon them a you take your place, Painch, tripe or thairm, As langs my airm."_ David is confused, so he just grins and moves on to the next patient and greets him. The patient responds: _"Some hae meat and canna eat, And some wad eat that want it, But we hae meat and we can eat, So let the Lord be thankit."_ Even more confused, but trying not to show it, David moves on to the next patient, who immediately begins to chant: _"Wee sleekit, cowerin, timrous beasty, Thou needna start awa sae hastie, Wi bickering brattle."_ Now, alarmed, David turns to the accompanying doctor and asks "What kind of facility is this? Is it a mental ward?" "No", replies the doctor. "This is the Serious Burns Unit".

[@VintageMachinery]

+Peter W. Meek Thanks Peter - I am going to have to run some CAT cable to the shop soon for network connections. Step one is to just get it in the door. I will probably at least have a wired connection for a laptop out there but will probably also put a wireless hub for my phone and other devices.

[@PeterWMeek]

If you plan to run Cat5 to the shop and intend to bury it, get a good transit to slope the conduit so there are no low spots. Slope from some intermediate high point down to junction boxes with drains. (Use a post-hole digger and fill the holes with gravel as a drain for the junction boxes. Line the holes with GeoTextile to keep dirt from packing into the gravel.) Buried conduits that collect water are really annoying. (BTW, you can run a telephone line out the the shop as well if you bury conduit.) I'm not sure how far the shop is from the house, but 500 feet is about the limit for pulling Cat5 or phone line through conduit. If the distance is farther, use intermediate junction boxes. I had to run 1500' of conduit to connect all my locations. I ended up burying two 4" conduits to all locations. (I had to have enough room for cat5, coax, fiber and whatnot.) bit.ly/8387Ford As someone with electrical experience you will know better, but for anyone else considering wiring a remote shop, remember to never put power cables in the same conduit with signal cables. Against code, and a likely cause of trouble with the signal cables.

[@bluegreenash]

Also pull down electrical spools are very useful

[@bluegreenash]

In a datacentre I visit they use power tracks, which are solid bar conductors that run overhead, when you want to tap into it you just add a junction box for the appropriate phase(s) then plug in your hardware.

[@shadowdog500]

+bluegreenash I strongly agree! I have 4 pull down spool extension chords and three pull down drop lights strategically located in my shop and use them all the time. Pull down spooled air hoses are a good thing as well. Chris

[@VintageMachinery]

+bluegreenash Those will probably be added at some point in time!

[@wb8ujb]

I suggest you look into a Geothermal unit for your heat and cooling. You have a pond there you could use. You can also use a closed loop system with it underground. I put the system in my home and it paid for itself in 5 years.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Robert Mitchell We are actually looking into that for our house as well....

[@fillg]

If you're using the height partially for a place for all the heat to go, make sure you put fans or at least big vents in the ends of the building.

[@chemech]

+fillg A properly sized clerestory doesn't need fans - the heat from the sun and any activity in the building raises the temperature of the air, which rises and exits through the vents along the sides of the clerestory. Replacement fresh air is drawn in from outside, gets heated, up, and rises to be exhausted, creating a natural draft. There are two main aspects to this for of natural (aka gravity) ventilation: 1) Keep the inlets down low 2) Have roughly 2x the open are for the inlets as for the outlets up in the clerestory. I've used these principles to ventilate large buildings - like steel mill meltshops and rolling mills - and you might be surprised at how fast the air moves in even large buildings when you have a clerestory (aka a doghouse) or a big ridge vent. I remember working on a project in a meltshop in Illinois one summer, where the clerestory had been closed off to keep the dusty air from escaping back in the late 1970s - before my time! The air filtration system was shutdown for the renovation work, so we had the contractors remove the metal siding from the clerestory, and the air really moved through the building while the crews were working inside. It was a hot, muggy summer, but the inside of the meltshop building was tolerable - unlike being out in the yards around the building...

[@VintageMachinery]

+fillg That is in the plans!

[@BisonWorkshop]

nice shop. i bet you cant wait to move in it. if it was mine. the hole upstairs would be my house and the old lady can have the house. lol

[@VintageMachinery]

+Bison Workshop No, I cannot wait - it is driving me crazy.... As for the upstairs, I am planning to leave it open and not close it in - if I had a place to sleep out there my wife might kick me out...

[@BisonWorkshop]

isnt that a good thing. heck, you would have it made in the shade. make sure you get the coffee pot in the deal first lmao

[@RichardHeadGaming]

The shop is looking nice.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Richard Schmidtendorff Thanks!

[@joshua43214]

I share your enthusiasm. It is great to see the progress. You forgot to introduce the cat.

[@VintageMachinery]

+joshua43214 The cat is Josie. She came with the house when we bought it about 2.5 years ago. The previous owners told us that she was somewhat a loner and they hardly ever saw her except when she came to eat. We only saw a glimpse of her every now and then for the first six months and then she started coming around us some - now you would think she lived in the house and slept in our bed or something. I cannot step outside without her rubbing up against me wanting attention! I like her because she is a good mouser (and anything else that moves around the house - no lizards, snakes, or much of anything else that she can catch and enjoy a snack of....)

[@jeffmoss26]

Great video as always!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Jeff Moss Thanks Jeff!

[@antonsijmons8692]

The cat wants some attention!!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Anton Sijmons As usual!

[@Ccpumps]

Another great video as always

[@VintageMachinery]

+Rod Clark Thanks!

[@wdhewson]

A great shop plan. I'd copy it in miniature, but my "shed" is up and full.

[@VintageMachinery]

+WD Hewson Thanks!

[@bluegreenash]

Had you thought about putting solar panels on the roof?

[@bluegreenash]

You could use the power to offset your bills, and it could also run ventilation or AC

[@VintageMachinery]

+bluegreenash That would be nice, but I have to worry about paying for the shop first!

[@Thunderstixx77]

One more question. Who's your little buddy there with the four legs and tail??? That's cute !!!

[@VintageMachinery]

+Steven Thompson Josie!

[@markbernier8434]

Regarding cooling for your shop google "Big Ass Fans" they really work. Regarding A/C consider a mini-split unit for wherever your office is.you say you are not doing an office space, but experience tells me that will last about two weeks. Please do a bit of video on the rotary converter as I am looking at that myself. Interested to know the size of the single phase primary and how the panels are done before and after the converter. Great work so far.

[@VintageMachinery]

+Mark Bernier I am familuar with the Big Ass Fans - and that has been suggested by some others.

[@glostaglio]

Hey Keith. re: air conditioning. Don't overlook your pond. A water cooler/hybrid system is cheaper to run than a full compressor only system. Ok. So it may not blow ice cubes, but 75 or 80 degrees beats 100 any day, and you got lots of roof for some solar could prob offset your power...should you encounter a drought year and need to run full electric.

[@VintageMachinery]

+glostaglio Something to consider for sure!

[@ckm-mkc]

i don't know if you've ever mentioned it, but might you share how much this has all cost?

[@VintageMachinery]

+ck m I will do that, but not until I get through and know how much this all cost me!

[@gardenman3]

Be sure to have windows that will open in the upper roof. Open those and the windows down below and the heat rising will help cool the shop.

[@chemech]

+gardenman3 That's the intention... the central elevated ridge is called a clerestory, and it should have windows or louvers that can open wide all down the length on both sides... If you watch all of Keith's videos on the shop, he talks about this, as it is a very functional traditional means of ventilation... Although, he does pronounce clerestory a bit different from how I'm used to hearing/saying it! Eric

[@VintageMachinery]

+gardenman3 That is the plan!

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

How about skylight / windows all along the top walls?

[@VintageMachinery]

+12345NoNamesLeft I will have windows up in the top walls for natural light to come in.

[@larsmark]

What do you do for a living?

[@VintageMachinery]

+larsmark I am a scientist. I do agricultural research and development.

[@ClaytonwFirth]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org some of us may enjoy an episode on your day job sometime. Sort of a getting to know you even more. Thanks for all the great content you produce.

[@Opinionator52]

The shop is looking great... The Idea of putting the compressor and perhaps 3phase in their own space out of the main shop is good a couple places I have worked in over time insulated the room,,, making an almost silent environment within the shop............ :o) O,,,

[@VintageMachinery]

+Opinionator52 That's the plan - at least long term...