Odyssey Shootout: Korg vs Behringer rematch

#korg #behringer #odyssey
/ starskycarr
Following my KORG MS20 mini vs Behringer K-2 comparison I've taken a look a both their versions of the Odyssey.
Remarkably similar sonically.. but slightly different beasts.
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Intro 0:00
Sawtooth 2:13
Square 3:44
PWM 5:06
Low Pass 6:24
High Pass 16:46
Drive 18:12
LFO 19:33
S&H 20:23
Sync 22:15
FM 22:30
RIng Mod 23:06
Envelopes 24:56
Conclusion 25:42
Some Sounds 28:10
Post Script 31:51

[@borispradel1037]

Well, after a couple of years I found a good deal on a slightly-used KARP (mini). I've been using the Behringer for some time now and I really like its sound. However, even though when testing individual oscilators, they may sound similar, I find the KARP sounds more like an analogue (mono)synth should. It has a faster envelope, so it produces a more appealing and complex sound. The Sample and Hold works way better and yields really interesting results. In general, I like both synths, but not until I got the Karp was I able to understand why Moog was worried about the ARP's filter as I can create very Model-D Moog-like sounds with the KARP, not so mush with the Behringer. I also find that the KARP keeps itself in tune more easily, I can play with the (de)tuning of the VOCs and tuning them later very quickly. The latter is a harder task on the Behringer, as it tends to remain out of tune longer and it's harder to control. In summary, having tried both, I think the KARP is better-built (not by much) but it works more consistently. I'm really considering selling both and try to find a used KARP FS as a I like the ARP sound more than Moog's. Another difference is the subbass. I've found the KARP produces a deeper and more define subbass (Moog-like), the Behringer with its softer and slower attack produces a more rounder undefined subbass, it doesn't respond so quickly. The KARP offers more versatility in that regard.

[@StarskyCarr]

Nice info from someone with lots of experience on both. Cheers.

[@zachhaywood1564]

Didn't ARP actually get sued by Moog back in the day for copyright infringement over the filter?

[@StarskyCarr]

@@zachhaywood1564 I'm not sure whether they actually sued them in the end, but yeah Arp changed the filter due to Moog's intervention.

[@humorustrout.]

Appreciate this, I've been using the Barp for a while and enjoy it, and now going to snag a great used deal on the korg rev2 model because I really love the design and smaller construction (slim-key) so I'm hoping I'll like it more than the Barp after spending some more time with them both!

[@DJANTONIVS]

Been saying it for some time since the Behringer Model D. Behringer isn't playing games. They are out to prove that this old technology doesn't need to cost an arm an a leg. That it can be made available to the public to cherish and enjoy. I can't wait to get my hands on the 2600, System 100 and System 55. They will all sound like the original. Behringer might well rule the synthesizer world for years to come.

[@bobcatt2294]

Behringer is playing games in their support department, for sure. Search the complaints.

[@mrp410]

They really do sound exactly the same. I just sold my SH101 for almost $1000 and to think I can get the Behringer for $295 or something, blows the mind.

[@shabbee]

If Behringer was the only synth manufacturer in the world ever, they would have only one product so far! Something to think about

[@makers1958]

Hmmm, Crave, Neutron, Deepmind, and more to come, I’m sure...

[@jarrod9052]

Yeah quality sucks . I had many issues with two brand new DeepMind 12 . Sweetwater was awesome took the first one back within the first week of owner ship . My replacement one was just as problematic but not until about 3 moths in and sent it in for warranty work. Lots of internal issues. The problems were too many. sucks cause I like the look of the Behringer Odyssey and wish I could trust Behringer enough to purchase .

[@TheDazlermac]

Thanks for taking the time and care to do a great side by side comparison.

[@RobertKildoo]

You are doing Gods work here. This was a perfect comparison. Well done sir!

[@t.j4341]

Def behringer. Full size. Sequencer, effects and cheaper

[@longfade]

Another great presentation. I have the Korg desktop Odyssey and I'll never part with it, but I also have the Behringer Odyssey pre-ordered and I anticipate loving it just as much. Bless both of these companies for, as you said, making available an instrument that I'd never have the $$ or sheer will to acquire. There's no loser here - they're both great.

[@Aetila]

I'm planning to but the KARP desktop...what are your thoughts about that after a year? How is the reliability and the tuning stability, will it stay in tune? Any positive or negative observations? How are the sliders on the KARP, are they firm enough?

[@raffitchakmakjian]

Oo they're friggin IDENTICAL sounding!!!! Never seen/heard such a thing in my life.

[@neilloughran4437]

Very nice video. Glad I have my Karp Odyssey! No need to think about the Behringer as they sound just as good as one another.

[@elektroboots1670]

love your reviews behringer should employ you!!-ive bought 3 of their synths now due to your comparisons!

[@tshou520]

Thanks for the comparison. I have the Korg FS and I never looked back until now. It looks like I could have saved a bit of gil with the Behringer. But, I'm just happy to have one, so I won't complain. What a time to be alive!

[@fl_7997]

One of my bucket list synths for many years. I’m loving the Behringer odyssey but I’m sure I’d also love the full sized korg just as well. Really good workflow. No issues getting great sounds.

[@doomofthemoon]

Thank you so much. Aside from the sequencer and FX, I think it comes down to cost and appearances. If I followed my heart I'd chase a full-size white Korg, since I used to own a Odyssey 2800. Otherwise, the Behringer seems well capable of filling that void.

[@aussierob7187]

Thanks to all who sold their KARP to buy the BARP. It brought the price down on the KARP so I got it for the same price but more compact for my studio. Thx and great vid! 😊

[@SlowDescentToWild]

Great video. Thanks you. I hadn't heard any Behringer Odyssey videos that sounded as nice as the Korg Odyssey but you've shown that Behringer really nailed the sound. I also found the Korg fits in the limited space in my studio where the Behringer wouldn't. I use the module with the Arturia key step, which has a great arp and 64 step sequencer.

[@_User333]

are you saying an inch here and there makes a big difference in your studio setup?

[@SlowDescentToWild]

User3333 yes, the Behringer would not have fitted

[@_User333]

@@SlowDescentToWild ah ok

[@SlowDescentToWild]

User3333 I have the Karp module on a laptop stand on a shelf and the keystep fits in underneath it. It’s the last bit of space available in my small studio and the Behringer is too big in width and depth to fit on the shelf :)

[@cubdukat]

I'll take either one, but I have to give the nod to Korg because they managed to get co-designer David Friend on board. If anyone would know how an Odyssey is supposed to sound, it'd be him.

[@ElectronicazMusic]

Thanks! Great vid. I sold my korg a few years ago... No need to miss it any longer.

[@Ndlanding]

Is that because your fingers were chopped off by the Chinese Mafia, or because you were goaliie for Scotland?

[@ElectronicazMusic]

@@Ndlanding a little bit of both. 😉

[@PeterWalkerHP16c]

The non-linearity curve difference in the ramp is usually in-detectable in audio. The slew in the rise and fall IS. (As well as overshoot) The FSA is the tool to watch.

[@alexdbf2281]

Super test merci mec !

[@BlackTomorrowMusic]

I'd like to see a 3 way shootout between the Korg, Behringer, and original ARP. Just to really set the record straight.

[@StarskyCarr]

me too :)

[@StevenClements]

@@StarskyCarr Well I did see a shoot out with the Original Arp and the KARP and they sounded close enough to identical... so if this is any indication. There's little if any tonal variation between the three - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4akhIuff7Khi5Y YES there is gain difference between the two... but not everyone is Starsky Carr

[@falangistavaleroso9689]

@@StarskyCarr those horrible led lights can be turned off?

[@StarskyCarr]

@@falangistavaleroso9689 yes there’s a dimmer in the back :)

[@falangistavaleroso9689]

@@StarskyCarr thanks, which one would you ( me )get? Behringer seems better, but I hate Behringer and would ruin my studio looks... The only good thing they got was the compressor of the 90´s made in Germany ( I yet got 3), the next one was absolute crap. Edit: I have realiced are newer Korgs with 100% size. Are they good, even keyless module.

[@jppagetoo]

It's nice to see somebody give a fair comparison without the "Behriger hate " clouding the results. No two synth sound exactly the same. So I would expect small differences here. But Behringer and Korg both made nice sounding synths. You have two options, different price ranges, both worth buying for different reasons.

[@NOLNV1]

I care a lot about space so I kinda wish the behringer was smaller haha. if I were to get one it would probably be the behringer for the sequencer and price, but there's something nice about knowing Korg got the man himself on board, and in the miniscule differences I could hear, the Korg was a bit nicer, but the price difference is really a bit more significant.

[@ogasi1798]

Trying to watch motogp here man and this crap notification pops up on my iPad aaarrrgggghhhh what to choose now, so thanks a lot starsky 😂

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

I am getting the same notifications on this iPad of mine, OGASI. Got to dish out the mullah to switch them off, unfortunately.

[@PerryCodes]

Can't wait to get my Odyssey!

[@MrRyancangri]

Jason Perry Which one? Korg, or Behringer?

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

I just wish that Behringer would release a rack/tabletop version like Korg did for people who have way too many keys in the studio. Having full sized keys on a synth is great and all but give us options. Some people aren't gigging musicians and space is at a premium.

[@Rockky67]

I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm guessing the reason is that their current key-less devices all fit the Eurorack standard and I don't see (other than making it ultra-wide) how they could do that with the Odyssey and keep all the controls, especially the faders, a usable size. It'd end up like an either more squished Roland System 1m.

[@synthartist69]

I have the Behringer Odyssey. Very happy with the purchase. The full size keys were a big plus for me, plus the onboard effects are nice to have. Lighted faders, sequencer, the Behringer is a no brainer. The full size Korg cost 1,300.00 or more. I got the Behringer new for 499.00.

[@StarskyCarr]

Can’t argue with that :)

[@hardminder]

you know you could always plug a midi keyboard on the korg...

[@nonbinarymetv]

I now have both in my studio. I wanted larger keys but not the pricetag of the KARP FS so I bought the Behringer mostly for the key size with a plan to sell on the KARP and replace it with the Pro-1 or MS 101 for some variety. But that plan died the first night the Behringer Odyssey was in the studio. Here's why. 1. Your video already shows that these two can be set up to sound nearly identical. In the hands of a good patch programmer I have no doubt you could get what you need out of either. 2. That said: I do find my KARP has a different character. It is subtle, but it is there. The Behringer is a little more modern sounding (hard to explain) and the KARP sounds a bit more vintage Arp to my ears in very simple patches. This is not a bad thing at all. It means you can have both in your rig and not see them as simply duplicates of the same palate. They can each go into spaces a little different than the other. 3. I had long considered a module to expand the KARP, but I have now abandoned that idea in favor of having the two keyboards. They eat up a lot of space collectively, but they are wonderfully complimentary. The first night I lost 3hrs a Blofeld ambience and the two arps playing various lines. I wish I had recorded that magic. 4. In Japan the KARP new is 78,000yen (About $710 US) new/ used (if you can find one) 48,000yen ($440 US) and the Behringer is 55,000yen ($505 USD) / none on the used market yet. So price wise the Behringer is a no brainer. For key size the KARP FS is nearly $1,400 in Japan, 3x the Behringer price. So if you only want one and you want full size keys, the Behringer wins. If you want small and portable with a great case then KARP. Either way you get an Arp. 5. Space. Both fit in my space, but the Behringer is 8cm or so wider, is deeper and taller. So KARP wins on space if you are cramped. All that said, I thinking having both is a great solution for those who want to do ambient or retro electronic music. They are different enough to provide two strong duophonic synths while being the same enough to double up for the exact sounds. And with keybeds on both, they give you a lot of live potential. So in the end it looks like the MS 101 is now off my list and the KARP will stay. But the Pro -1 is still at the top of my list since it is 4th in my list of vintage synths I wish I had owned. The Arp was #2 and the Prophet 5 #3. I think most synth maniacs are waiting for someone to make a CS-80 for us, which has been #1 on my list for decades. Let's see if Behringer can nail it at a price we can afford and a weight we can actually carry.

[@longfade]

Excellent post.

[@aussierob7187]

I got the KARP for USD$520 and saved on money and space at the same time. Love the original look of the KARP and size match to the MS-20 in the studio

[@Yoghurtacid]

Great comparison. I took the plunge on a Korg Odyssey FSQ being sold for a great price as i ultimately preferred the more faithful look (Plus it was the Rev1 livery which Behringer don't offer!). Pleased to hear they sound almost identical, a very slight louder bottom end to the Behringer, but conversely an ever so slight bit of extra clarity to the top end of the Korg. They need to hurry up with their Jupiter 8 clone, the money is burning a hole in my pocket!

[@StarskyCarr]

I saw an FSQ for sale recently in the UK for around £900. Was about to take the plunge but someone got it here before me (maybe you?)

[@Yoghurtacid]

Starsky Carr aye, new in box from some online music store? Think there were 2 in stock when I bought mine

[@SoundmanCH]

IMHO this is a no brainer: Fill size keys, price, build quality, sequencer, leds, fx... would fully understand a sentimental choice if it were for an original ARP, but the KARP is a clone, too.

[@noisynois1670]

behringer win for me,i have ,model d,neutron and deepmind ,increbible sounds,i have,moog sunsequent,access virus ti,korg radias,roland v-synth,diferent character in my life jejjjejjejjejejeje

[@shabbee]

Fact! A copy with permission and collaboration from the original designer is different from a plain knock off.

[@fisle]

I may go with the Korg simply because I would prefer to have a desktop unit rather than a full keyboard. Unless Behringer do a desktop version...

[@odinnsgrove]

Pearlman himself died early this year, so as far as I am concerned both are clones, regardless of which one got the official go-ahead (I think the other founder of ARP might have had something to do with the Korg version in some way, or been consulted on it). Korg don't exactly give much incentive to get theirs instead though, costs a lot more for mini keys, if you want people to buy your classic synth reproduction, fit it with full size keys, it's not a mini synth. If you insist on Korg's you're better off just paying slightly less for the module and linking it to a full-size midi keyboard.

[@odinnsgrove]

@@LuddyVonBeat The downside of the FX though is that they're in mono, I don't know why they did that, strange. Handy to have though especially if you're just playing around on headphones rather than recording through an amp or interface

[@fjfrancois]

Sawtooth 2:13 Square 3:44 PWM 5:06 Low Pass 6:24 High Pass 16:46 Drive 18:12 LFO 19:33 S&H 20:23 Sync 22:15 FM 22:30 RIng Mod 23:06 Envelopes 24:56 Conclusion 25:42 Some Sounds 28:10 Post Script 31:51 :)

[@Pulse2AM]

They should pin this to the top.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@Pulse2AM its in the info

[@SynthgodXXX]

Very nice! Thank you for sharing this! I've had a few Korg ARP Odyssey's and I am very excited to try out the Behringer version! A+++++++++++++++++++

[@danf4236]

Seeing as the Korg reissue is also technically a clone I think I'm leaning toward the Behringer for the added features and the lower price tag.

[@frankscassi4960]

Damn those oscillators sound damn good!

[@totalSLACK]

wearing headphones and not actually watching the video, I thought the first two key hits were from the same synth. it sounds exactly the same.

[@marcfrank7446]

Oh! Indeed the buzz in the Korg square wave wasn't pleasant on my headphones (vintage Grado SR60s). Before you mentioned it, my face went "ouch" :)

[@cornerliston]

The Korg Arp luckily also comes in a full size version, for the ones who prefer that. Nice to have the option of the different sizes.

[@gnarlysoundscapes7210]

Yeah, I want the big one. ...except Behringer's is also full-size and costs 1/3rd the price, and has a sequencer and effects and pretty LED faders. Think I know which one I'm gonna get :-P

[@cornerliston]

@@gnarlysoundscapes7210 Personally prefer not risking the Behringer quality and those LEDs are not to my liking : )

[@absolute0815]

corner liston these blue LEDs look cheap and sry but i think blue isnt the colour for analogsynths..would look nice with Novation VAs😉

[@cornerliston]

@@absolute0815 I agree, absolutely do not like blue colour on leds and light. Another reason to go with the Korg Arp : )

[@niknayme3754]

Hey Starsky how about a four way comparison? The Behringer, the Korg, Korg's Odyssey VST and the GForce Odyssey VST? How about a couple of blind tests where viewers have to guess which one of the 4 the sound is made by?

[@wmacky]

Behringer is knocking it out of the park lately. They have totally rebuilt there brand image from the ground up. Great casings with the innards to back it up!

[@mikemeengs5720]

Crazy they sound so similar!

[@gretareinarsson7461]

The Behringer does not only sound almost identical it also has a lot more features.

[@noisynois1670]

ningun sinte analogico suena igual,compras tres korg y suenan diferentes,es asi

[@darrelldiaz]

@Nigel Davis No analog synths sound the same, buy 3 Korgs and they’ll each sound different. That’s how it is. (Translation of Noisy Nois’ post.)

[@zerobeat2020]

Yes, but unfortunately it is of inferior quality to the Korg. My Behringer Odyssey started to go out of tune badly. After 3 repairs Behringer gave me a new one. I sold it, bought a Korg and it never goes out of tune.

[@pankaburek59]

I toally not in budget and musican passion (lol) But i am intereseted in videos like this idk why i like desgin of behringer it's bigger and seems to become better the knobs are too better on korg they are ugly but i think they both cool

[@xa1a]

@@zerobeat2020 Mine goes out of tune occasionally as well, but I use the trimmer and I can get it back. Mine always seems to be OSC 1. Was yours a particular OSC or sporadic between the two?

[@oriomenoni7651]

I own the original ARP Odyssey. The Korg version sounds a bit clearer in the high frequency and has less of the bottom end of the Behringer, which is beefier. For this reason, the Korg is more similar to the original ARP Odyssey, which has a very clear, very sharp sound that cuts through the mix. So ym vote goes to the Korg reincarnation.

[@MrlegendOr]

I own the original ARP Odyssey me too and for me, the Behringer sound is the closest, I put my old one eBay for this one.

[@NOLNV1]

crazy jealous of that rack with the MS-20, Odyssey, SV-1 and the two beastly 6 voice machines from DSI/Sequential, god damn!

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha.. In that case I won’t show you ‘Moog corner’ 😂

[@NOLNV1]

@@StarskyCarr dunno if it would impress me as much, Korg and Oberheim have made several of my all time dream synths

[@althecampervanman1619]

Great video, thanks. Can the Behringer output polyphonic notes from its midi out? The reason I ask is that I'm thinking of buying an AKAI Force and an Odyssey as a writing rig. I would need the Odyssey to be able to output 5 or six notes for triggering chords on the Force's instruments.

[@CommunityGuidelines]

Really helpful comparison, they're virtually identical. Now if only you can locate an original Arp Odyssey and then compare all three...

[@StarskyCarr]

I really need 3 OGs - one for each revision!!

[@80snostalgiafan79]

Can you do Ultravox - Vienna, haunting patch on this, selling point for me which Odyssey can do it better please?

[@74goldenjet]

Thanks for another great shootout! Very usefull. Imo, the square sounds better on the Behringer, plus it's cheaper, bigger, has fx and a sequencer. I sold my KARP.

[@nextreal6167]

To me there is a tiny little space where the korg excells and the behringer just stays there trying to be the same sound but it's not. This is something I notice with all behringer clones, it's like having an mp3 version of the original and I don't mean that in a bad way because the gap is reeeaaally small but if I can notice it, then the magic belongs somewhere else, thanks for this comparison!

[@xa1a]

And that’s going to totally come through in a track? As opposed to laboratory testing. Use it for what it’s supposed to be used for, and you won’t notice a difference.

[@jacksonscarlett8107]

definitely sounds like it's in your head!

[@MD-fu6ly]

Try blind tests instead

[@kierenmoore3236]

Component cost-cutting? How could we know?! Gotta cut costs, somewhere … Will be interesting to see which units last longer, and only time will tell that …

[@andywatts8654]

That’s your Behringer Derangement Syndrome

[@zerobeat2020]

I have had both, the Korg is the better synth by a country mile. It stays in tune far better than the Behringer, and it is altogether better quality. O.k. the Behringer has a sequencer, but is a pain to use. And why the heck Behringer clipped the effects to mono only, goodness knows. In any case, I should never have bothered with the Behringer and gone for the Korg straight away. Chalk and cheese.

[@StarskyCarr]

Good to hear from someone thats used both - and can't believe I've only just found this comment!

[@Donetur]

You had a faulty unit and that’s all. It may happen with all brands. But judging a model for its faulty units is unfair unless there are massive reports which is not the case.

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@Donetur There are plenty of comments about the relative stay-in-tuneness between the two, so no, this isn't just a faulty unit.

[@Donetur]

@@alexwestconsulting weird but I haven’t read more reports about this issue and I have read/see a lot of forums, comment sections, videos full of happy users. Yes it is a faulty unit in my opinion.

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@Donetur there’s another comment even in this thread about the behringer’s relative tuning issues. I haven’t touched a karp to compare, but my behringer for sure ain’t great at staying in tune.

[@thomaskolb8785]

If you are a collector and want an Odyssey with the ARP logo (and also have a maintenance agreement with a vintage repair workshop), get the original ARP. Otherwise the Behringer seems to hit the perfect spot. (Edit 2023: Or buy the Korg Odyssey FS. Which I ended up getting.)

[@ME-ru4hv]

The Korg with the 2800 look is stunning. I'm not in love with this version korg

[@MRicciardi]

I'd agree in principle the only issue for me is that I own a couple of Behringer gear and they all seem to fail after 3 4 years. On the other hand, I own a Korg Poly800mkII since 1984 that has never been serviced or had parts replaced and still going strong. Same with my M1. So, I heard Behringer has being working hard in changing their image but does anyone know if that new policy includes building their stuff with better quality components?

[@ME-ru4hv]

@@MRicciardi I have asked that EXACT question many times! Its a fair one too!!

[@MRicciardi]

@@ME-ru4hv ..and to me, it seems very likiely that the reason behind Behringer's low priced gear must be low quality components and quality control. Not everything that's built in Asia is built in the same factory by the same people using the same stuff. No, it's not all the same as someone here suggested. This question will be answered eventually in the 4 or 5 years but I'm not paying to be the test subject. 😉

[@ME-ru4hv]

@@MRicciardi Seriously I think people think we are bored or something when we complain about Behringer.. I tell you literally every piece of gear that I get dies.. I've has such sore spot ever before they started with synths.. then add to that that they undercut a market already flooded to the gills with affordable or entry level stuff.. and I'm even more put off.. plus 8 year olds sleeping under the workbench with ankle collars.. just kidding (maybe not?)

[@GNeuman]

Another great review....how is the keyboard on the Behringer? I've read that the keyboard on the KARP full size is disappointing

[@StarskyCarr]

I've not got any complaints about the keyboard on the Behringer... all feels fine.

[@AdamsBrew78]

I think it’d be interesting to see a side by side comparison of the hardware fundamentals vs Korg’s iOdyssey app for iPad. iOdyssey is easily in my top 10 synths on iOS., seems very close to the real deal.

[@AdamsBrew78]

@@mosspa1 Sure, why not? He’s done hardware vs iOS app comparisons before.. always interesting to see how close the app gets to the HW sound, as in Starky’s model D vs iPad shootout: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4Pbo4J3n5p6sLc

[@stefanoskollias]

As a Behringer owner(Neutron, td3, rd8) always bear in mind reliability.. My neutron and Rd8 have a flaws which occured in less than a year.. Thanks God Td3 works flawless..

[@StarskyCarr]

You should get them sorted. They all come with a. 3 year warranty.

[@stefanoskollias]

@@StarskyCarr You re right but it is always disappointing and annoying when I perform these malfunctions

[@StarskyCarr]

Of course m.. anything like that’s a real PITA

[@OJMAH]

behringer team researchers would have done several times comparing the arp odeysey to the new clone. wondering they might slept in lab cloning stuff like days to weeks. super nerd. i'm ordering one . about to recieve it next week aboard to southeast asia

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

To me the Behringer wins. I like the LEDs on the sliders, and built-in FX are super handy too. It's also less expensive. Kind of a no-brainer really.

[@montorgueilrecords]

I ordered mine tonite to a famous german online store! lol 😎😎😎

[@peppercrybeatz]

one of the coolest synths to look at

[@bernardosilva7306]

I love the "modules" eurorack from Behringer (like de D and the K-2 for example). One of the reasons I prefer the K-2 over the MS20 mini is the form factor! I don't care about embedded keys because I far prefer to play with my full size hammer action midi controller. That is the reason why I got the KORG ARP Module instead of the Behringer Odyssey. I would LOVE if Behringer released the Odyssey in a Eurorack format (can take off the effects and the sequencer, I don't care), but they didn't, so, KORG it is :(

[@georgegeorgio1751]

I think the audio in on the korg sounds better don’t think Behringer got that right imo.

[@bensimpson873]

I'm saving up now.

[@lambertlambert7076]

Love the strange music intro ! Very creative !

[@bobcatt2294]

Not having full-sized keys is a deal breaker for me. Korg has standardized on non full-sized keys on these kinds of synths, like that of the Wavestate.

[@michaelg9344]

Both Odysseus models are beautiful in purpose of the original. I wish my original Korg mono/poly had some of these added capabilities. The mono/poly had effects as modulation options but not reverberation and delay. The Mono/poly creates sinusoidal resonant feedback, and with the thickness that can rattle the windows of a house.

[@volt7cooltangs701]

I had an original Korg Mono/Poly back in 1983/84 5:17 and I swear that the original Sequential Pro One has a far bigger sound due to the fact it has a better, brighter filter and quicker envelopes than the Korg Mono/Poly but the MP did have a much better keyboard & build quality. Now I played the Behringer Odyssey yesterday. Man that thing is the best synth I’ve heard in years. That top 2 pole 12 DB filter is the absolute killer. Really reminded me of an OG Pro one but with a better keyboard, better sequencer and with built in FX. I do find them weird without the fixed footage selectors though, but that’s Odyssey right. Am going to buy the Behringer version.

[@lookingforamuse]

Seriously sounds like an identical circuit board in each unit.

[@shabbee]

Because it is, B literally copied the K product

[@QrchackOfficial]

@@shabbee And K literally copied the A product :)

[@shabbee]

@@QrchackOfficialyes, but with permission. If we were talking about a DVD movie, B would be deemed as making illegal pirate copies

[@AnthonyCodringtonTopCat]

@@QrchackOfficial actually the original designer recreated it for Korg who licensed the rights. No corporate espionage there. Anyhow the design is public domain now so it doesn't matter. If you want a replica go with the Korg. If you want a modern version go with the Behringer. Nothing ain't wrong

[@jakobole]

In a mix, I wouldn't give a damn

[@mpmi7588]

Exactly. 👍🏿

[@jakobole]

@C64remixer They don't give a damn about the gear used, and they shouldn't.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

the only people who care are synth fetishists... usually middle aged dudes with lots of disposable income who want to chase after their dreams of being 80's synthpop stars and literally nothing but "the best" is good enough for them. for the average home studio tinkerer or even gigging player none of this cork sniffing matters one bit. these clones/recreations/whatever you wanna call them are awesome

[@rt-uh6mt]

I'm sure in a mix I could be fooled by which one is which but I don't care. Korg Arp all the way. I already own the odyssey by korg and it would still be an easy decision for me to buy Korg over Behringer, regardless of saving a hundred bucks. Whatever. Better quality, better heritage not some copycat clone company stealing other peoples designs.

[@colliemon]

@@rt-uh6mt Okay but it's not stealing when the stuff is open source. They improve upon old machines and bring some really cool gear into the modern age at an affordable price. Also you would save a few hundred bucks not just $100. The korg Odyssey isn't the original either, so they're both clones

[@thepanel2935]

Does the Behringer version have an arpeggiator?

[@MadelnMachines]

What is the build quality like? I found the arp faders are quite wobbly (side to side play) and I was told they have plastic stems. Are the behringers metal and more solid?

[@StarskyCarr]

I don't have the Behringer anymore, and didn't check what the stems were manufactured from. All I can say is that all the Behringer kit I've tried feels really solid. Not noticed any wobbliness from the KORG either though.

[@ChristopherJenkins73]

Nice Video!

[@paulbrocklehurst7253]

There are two deal breakers here if you forget the price difference. _I hate mini keys_ because my muscle memory is trained to play piano keys & nothing smaller. Secondly the Behringer mono synths can be interfaced with Eurorack & all have additional in's & out. That's a brilliant idea! Why don't many other companies do that too?

[@markchristopher2signal2]

I’m going to write a letter to Behringer tomorrow to let them know because of your channel I bought 3 of their synths.

[@toomuchmidi]

Im right there with ya buddy. I think the sweetwater rep is annoyed at me at this point 😂😭

[@montorgueilrecords]

I ordered mine tonite to a famous german online store! lol 😎😎😎

[@nopelol8718]

Sounds so similar that you tweaked the wrong keyboard lol

[@c.fanger5083]

Seems these Behringer clones are nothing to scoff at.

[@bluehole6019]

Late reply, but yeah. I’ve got the odyssey, sounds amazing, and I have a Model D and Poly D and I actually used to own a real Moog Model D. There’s a slight boost in high end from what I can tell but other than that the Model D clones are spot on. For the price, it’s absolutely amazing that we can buy things like this.

[@JamesCorbettMusic5000]

Yep, just got the vc340 vocoder and it’s awesome. Picking a bodyssey up tomorrow!

[@Johnmb23]

I think I liked the “click” in the HP better 🤓 gave it attitude 😎

[@Evildandalo]

I wonder if we have a coming lawsuit on our hands in the near future. I know Behringer is well known for beating the case when it comes to their “clones” getting lawsuits thrown at them but this and the X2 are just laughably similar especially in the physical design. I’m not complaining however, the competition is great and it’s about time someone made a cheap competent clone of an instrument that’s just shy of 50 years old.

[@MadelnMachines]

Awesome comparison. I think the snappy envelopes on the Korg are very important to the replication of the original design. Why they had to come out with some ridiculous price for the full size version though??

[@georgegeorgio1751]

Wouldn’t notice this in a track so big deal for me.

[@666JGNotts]

Thanks for this. It's a shame the Behringer doesn't come in a module version.

[@GETOBA]

very interesting video - thanks for that - just one thing i found pretty annoying: the volume of the synths is much louder than the voice of the speaker - so when i pull up the volume to understand him, the sound samples are much too loud - also the voice is not very clear - maybe use a lavalier headset next time ?

[@totalSLACK]

wearing headphones, the levels are great. the synths levels are perfect, it sounds and feels like a direct line out.

[@bugeyedmudafuka2]

Must have watched about 5 of your vids today mate. Not interested in buying any synth in particular, just enjoy the vids ha. Tell me this, how many synths have you got altogether? Still have the moogs etc? You should do a run down of all your synths.

[@80snostalgiafan79]

Can you by any chance pleeeaaaase test theses tunes: Dr Who Tom Baker/ Peter Davidson theme as this was done on an Arp, also the spooky bit which was also done on an Arp Odyssey on Vienna--Ultravox. As this would make at least one of the Odysseys sold as I can't make up my mind!

[@alphanumeric1529]

Thanks Starsky! Second watch, I think!

[@ChazSeamus28]

Korg sounds brighter and more authentic but I like the beefy sound and looks of the Behringer.. those faders are pretty cool looking plus the bigger keys are definitely nice to have..but if u need to save space go with the Korg

[@noisynois1670]

behringer win for me,iI love the sound of behringer, the differences are almost imperceptible, you may like more than one for that, but each analog synth sounds different, two korgs will not sound the same, just like two behringers, it is what the analog circuitry has, in a mixture you wouldn't realize if it's a korg or a behringer ,I'm talking to you with the google translator, I speak Spanish

[@Jimbo386000]

I’m for sure getting this. But it’s a bit more expensive than I originally thought. Haha I must’ve been living under a rock or something.

[@josejuancerdabarraza3544]

Long DC cables sometimes warm and get hot really quickly, I think it should be better to just have the AC to DC converter inside the synth at least if it is full sized

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

It seems it is cheaper to rely on external AC "wall-warts" because building it into the synth would require Electromagnetic interference shielding and that would push the manufacturing price up again.

[@ThatJerseyBloke]

Thanks a lot for this comparison. The KORG gets my money. I trust their quality control more than Behringer's and the Korg version can carry the name ARP as it was one of the last instruments Alan R. Pearlman consulted on and endorsed. That may not mean much to many but it surely means something to me.

[@ThatJerseyBloke]

Update: I finally managed to get some time with the Behringer model and I have to say it was a positive experience. I didn't think I would appreciate the full size keys as much as I did. The sequencer and effects meant nothing to me but the larger keys made it a bit more playable for me. That said I still don't trust Behringer quality control. I'd still buy the KARP first but keep it in the studio while I'd gig and travel with the BARP. Now I'm waiting to see if the new Sequential Pro3 can outfunk the ARP Odyssey. :-)

[@MadelnMachines]

Does the Behringer have longer sliders giving increased accuracy / range? Do either correspond well to the original patch sheets? I'd love a white face korg just for the look of it. I kind of wished the behringer didn't have the screen to keep it looking authentic.

[@georgegeorgio1751]

Nah I love the effects adding some slight delay or chorus is a major plus for me.

[@stxejn]

I think the effects on the Behringer are more smooth and pronounced. On a track you probably couldn't notice a difference and can hide a lot of the crimes, but when you're searching for a specific sound, that little bit of smoothness and response can be a dealbreaker. Just depends on your use case. Not factering in cost, I'd go with Behringer not only for the looks but the performance as well. Cost wise, you get more for less, and that's a deal in the music world.

[@spintonik]

8 months down the line and at least Thomann in Europe is offering Korg Arp Odyssey module Mk3 with same price than Behringer Odyssey. Many of us have several keys already and it's quite small that way - I think that is a great option to Behringer Odyssey for us needing to think about the budget. So if you skip the keys, suddenly money is not a factor anymore. I had a listen at KARP on a local shop and it sounded absolutely stunning - so raw and untempered, something I do not get from Behringer Odyssey demos. I *think* I hear the same difference in this video, especially on bass notes. But I might be imagining, here they sound very similar! But by choosing KARP, I would miss the effects, my signal path does not have it easily available - I cannot decide! Perhaps I just buy both eventually *facepalm*

[@LimeEye13]

That was my choice haha, buy the Behringer for the full sized keys and extras, then get the Korg module for the more "authentic" recreation...then use both to make epic sounds. It's a win/win really.

[@spintonik]

@@LimeEye13 wonderfull! What is your view on sound difference?

[@LimeEye13]

@@spintonik For me, they are so close together that I couldn't really hear the difference. Maybe someone with a better trained ear can, but for me one can't go wrong regardless of choice. I would say the module is a great starting point as they can be had at the same price as the Behringer these days. I agree with the idea of seeing the Korg as a recreation of the original and the Behringer as an "update" of sorts. The facebook groups dedicated to both are worth checking out for more varied opinions. Either way, we really are spoiled for options these days.

[@shermanchow4264]

Around 27:44 you mention a soulsby synth? Which one do you have and when are you going to demo it?

[@StarskyCarr]

Here you go from an episode I made for Clubbing TV kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrCooiXhauYbbs

[@shermanchow4264]

@@StarskyCarr Thanks for circling back around with this! After a whole month too. Professionalism!

[@GaryNMorgan]

One thing you missed that I would have liked to see is putting raw external oscillators into the Behringer Ext Audio Input. And combining them with the onboard ones too. 👍🏻

[@TH3_FURY]

My mind tells me : "You need that Korg !" And my wallet respond : "We can just buy a Crave" But my stomach which has always the last word say : "There's no more pasta !" *_Another great interesting review as always !_*

[@HotStrange]

You need the Korg or Behringer? They’re 2 separate remakes of the same thing.

[@shabbee]

When your keyboard buddy comes into your studio and says oh you got a behringer? All you can say is "it was cheaper but sounds pretty much the same". What a proud moment!

[@vestarecords3882]

your friend will run off to the store and buy one too

[@skythemusic]

They do sound very similar. To me the Behringer is slightly more modern sounding and has a slightly bigger sound but the Korg has a slightly smoother warmer filter. I like the look and full size of the Behringer better and it is a little more affordable. I'm just wondering whether to get that one or wait for the 2600.

[@synthesizerhome2041]

does the Behringer have slider shafts of plastic or metal? The Korg version is plastic like the original as far as I know...

[@odinnsgrove]

Plastic so probably similar, but the case is full metal, both the later "official" version and the original ARP ones are only metal in part I believe, so the Behringer has a heavier more robust build overall than both the Korg and the original

[@raphaelzapp9204]

i had a behringer, but sent it back because the keys were like trash. ordered the korg and it's much better quality.

[@AlexBallMusic]

Sound so similar. Be interesting (but obviously impractical) if you had the original Odysseys next to them too.

[@StarskyCarr]

haha.. I know... where do you stop.. I'm about to put the Pro-One up against the Pro-1 and ironically I know it will open up a whole host of comments regarding ageing of components - so all a bit academic really. For my Minimoog comparison owners of originals thought the Behringer sounded nothing like the original .. and neither does the re-issue. .. plus they were all convinced that theirs sounded exactly the way it did in the 70s - and they REALLY know as they were there :) I saw an interesting video with the RD8 vs two vintage 808s which both sounded completely different to each other. Having said that--- I can't wait to see how they sound together.

[@AlexBallMusic]

@@StarskyCarr Absolutely. Funnily enough everyone's absolute confidence often seems to disappear in a blind test ;) Absolutely right on the differences between two units and over time. I've played three Pro~Ones that were all a little different (partly due to things needing a service). Also recorded three different 808s and I've compared the audio and they're all different. One noticeably so up against the other two. Again, might be service history etc.

[@foodstampz]

Just so you know mate, on your cover photo..you have the Korg name above the Behringer and the Behringers logo above the Korg.

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... oh yeah!! Well spotted. It ‘s because the Behringer logo is taller, and the Korg photo is shorter - so everything fits in the screen. I never realised they were over the wrong synths until now :)

[@dainthomassida]

the behringer seems to have slightly thinner low end, is that correct?

[@pkarvo]

No brainer, Behringer wins. Nice effects engine, sequencer, sounds just as good or better than the KArp. Behringer really sticking it to all these cork sniffers at the moment.

[@redirishmanxlt]

The intro music is awesome! Did you make a full track?

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, glad someone noticed :) but no - the longest version is at the end (about 10 seconds longer than the intro!). Just a little noodle I made for the video. I try to use what I’m demoing in the intro to all the vids. This has both the Odysseys (Odyssies??)

[@SpiritOfOrange]

Starsky Carr The plural of Oddessey is Oddessi.

[@henrikstolpe]

Hi! Thanks for a good comparision but which filtermode are the synths in for most of the test? Like the raw waveformtests? Is the behringer brighter in filter1 mode even when the filter is fully open and the resonance is 0? I have had the B and have the K module now and I remember the B having less of a ”pillow over the speaker” symptom than the korg has in type1 mode, almost makes me want to return the korg. It feels more ”polite” soundwise. Or am I imagining things?

[@clivejones5880]

The Korg Odyssey is available with full size keys.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah but it’s 3 times the price so not an exact comparison.

[@josejuancerdabarraza3544]

For the price of the Behringer odyssey the sequencer and the effects are a nice little detail

[@Surfercurtis]

I have the Behringer. Wish it had patch memory presets and stereo outs. But then of course it wouldn’t be faithful to the original.

[@StarskyCarr]

You could always get the GForce or Korg app and copy the setting to them... a useless suggestion I know :) there’s nothing like a phone camera to take pictures of patches and never find them again !! I really need to organise my photo folders.

[@longfade]

Question for Starsky, or any other Behringer Odyssey owner: Does anyone else's octave switch have a TON of play before it engages? Mine works, certainly, but feels really jiggly; like there's about a centimeter of play before it actually switches octaves.

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

Use the 3 year warranty and get it repaired/replaced?