Odyssey Stroke Lab VS Stability Putter Shaft

[@brockgruner5250]

Would y’all be up to doing a review of the evenroll putter series?

[@albertofernandez-sanguino3373]

Now that 6 months have gone by, would be interesting to get an update on this subject. Many thx in advance

[@Par2Pixel]

I second that after 5 years

[@adamholland4904]

The stroke lab has a 50 gram weight in the handle for counter balance. It isn’t just heavy in the head.

[@pschlick4]

This is my favorite channel on KZbin.

[@InsuranceSpecialist]

I have a stability putter shaft installed and long putts, tightness of line are unquestionably better. Inside 10ft is soooo much much more confident with the tighter line...

[@jimmyp6049]

Are u still Gaming it ? Loving it ?

[@Kylez1212]

Same question lol

[@jasonamburgey7339]

First I wanna say I would spend 5 times what I would on a driver or driver shaft on a putter because the putter is where the biggest impact can be made on my overall score. I recently purchased a Toulon Portland with the stroke lab shaft and my experience is that it helped me instantly out of the wrapper. I find it mostly has helped me with distance control and those 3 to 6 foot knee knockers for par.... or bogey lol. I have really enjoyed the shaft and have gained a lot of confidence and lowered my score by 3 strokes on average over 9 rounds. I would still be very interested in trying the stability shaft as well. Thanks guys for all your hard work. You keep me stocked up with the latest gear nerd tech info and I love you for it!

[@tommyt9800]

Wasn't sure if I missed it but there was not a mention of the 40g weight in the butt of the Stroke Lab shaft. Great video overall though!

[@Bugcatcher3d]

Hi guys awesome vid again. From the information I have found out on the Stroke Lab. The lighter weight of the shaft has been transferred into the head and shaft butt. So overall weight is about the same. Matt may have benefited in adding a little more weight into the heel of the Stroke Lab. I would suspect the Stoke Lab was a little more toe heavy than the other.

[@zacharymilos392]

Would love a video detailing the effects of different grips on the putter - taper vs no taper, various widths (pistol vs medium vs jumbo). Would be cool to see how much different stability shaft is compared to putting an X7 wedge shaft in like you mentioned.

[@ESikora12]

Thanks for this! I have a Stability Shaft in my Toulon Indianapolis and love it. Messing with Stroke Lab setups in the stores I could definitely tell they aren’t the same, but your numbers quantify what I was feeling!

[@shaneh2289]

ESikora12 great I just got a Toulon stroke lab lol

[@jergernice1]

@@shaneh2289 not a fan of stroke lab setup. i find them flippy...sucks cause i love the odyssey heads. no buy for me. unless i find a custom one.

[@rlodes1]

Should be a three way comparison with the new KBS CT Tour putter shaft

[@chrisfreitag2603]

Great review and comparison. Love my stability putter shaft with Evnroll gravity grip. Transformational difference with much better feedback. More stable, balanced with a smooth and consistent feel when putting resulting in significant improvement in putting particularly on short putts.

[@kcbice]

I have a stability shaft on my EVN Roll ER2 and I love the combination. I went from a 2.2 putts per hole (poor putter) to 1.8 putts per hole with no changes to my putting technique. 0.4 putts per hole over 18 holes is 7.2 strokes per round improvement. How can anyone say that is not real technology.

[@Mizzyman62]

I was going to ask Ian and Matt the same question. Have they ever tested the enroll putter on the Quintec.

[@mathieugagnon3230]

You should play a second round to see if it stick... 😆

[@kcbice]

@@mathieugagnon3230 I've had it on for about 3 months / 15 rounds for me. It has been a really nice improvement.

[@kcbice]

@@uy7535 You can use any type of grip. The shaft is the same size as pretty much any putter shaft at the top as is doesn't taper. And there isn't a recommended head weight but the shaft is more effective in putters with heavier head weights.

[@kcbice]

@@uy7535Yes, the one I have is 375g.

[@CleanseforYourLife]

This video is great timing for me...I have been using a Stability Shaft with an Odyssey Versa 7S and have noticed some strange putts which made me question the old style micro hinge. I’ve been thinking about switching putter heads to a Spider Tour or something similar. Great video!

[@stephendibari7704]

Awesome review guys ! Just had Jon at Club Champion NJ install the Stability Shaft in my Evnroll ER2, Picking it up tomorrow. AFter watching this you sealed the deal with that shaft technology! Excited about this and now even more that my $200 was so worth spending !

[@gerencher]

So happy to see lefty tests

[@pjs1685]

Great video! I purchased the stability shaft for my Envroll but always wondered about the stroke lab product given the price comparison. Glad to see the stability shaft is truly a better performing product.Thanks!

[@cwugrad396]

PJ S better performing for him doesn’t mean better performance for everyone else

[@Philliprecio]

From someone who owned the stability and got rid of it...... Get the stroke lab. You'll never putt on a flat, pure, 10 ft. Green. Distance control is everything. The stroke lab is what I switched to and its truly a game changer, especially on short slippery putts and distance control. Remember that the dude "testing" has gamed that shaft in his putter for a while and only took 3 strokes with the stroke lab. Hardly an objective test to say the least.

[@BuffaloNickel9]

@@Philliprecio Exactly! I'm reading up and down people who are saying the same thing as you about the Odyssey stroke land shaft being miles better for them. and a few people who want to make any excuse they can in the world for the stability shaft because they've already spent the money to buy it when clearly 95% of folks prefer and benefit more from the stroke lab. including this video where someone who uses the stability shaft, Matt and was comfortable with it, only took three putts to prove the stroke lab was a better more intuitive shaft, just like the comments are reporting..

[@BuffaloNickel9]

By the way fast forward 2 years from your comment and you see almost zero stability shafts on the PGA tour whereas you see the Odyssey stroke left shaft all day everyday played by tour players

[@bm2844]

Hoping you guys can re-do a chat on this as you're incorrect about the Stroke Lab. It's got 30 grams in the butt end of the shaft. They just took 40 grams out of the center, added 10 to the head and 30 to the grip end.

[@obedtorres7445]

Is it possible that Matt’s comfort level with the Stability shaft affected the outcome? Perhaps that also aided in the face control. Would think there’s an adjustment moving to a 40% lighter shaft

[@Jonwoo41]

Great video guys, I was hoping someone would put these two putter shafts against each other. I also felt that the Callaway shaft was more of an attempt to manipulate the market, but a great first try. Thanks for the through and professional review.

[@Calibigguy]

Great info! Being in the market for a new putter, this video was a big help in deciding on the new shafts that are out there.

[@mikeyismyname]

Have the stability shaft on my ER 1.2 33in length. Its heavy but accurate. If you're not aligned correctly you'll definitely know .

[@wesleyburgess31]

That is literally the exact putter i want! Same length even.

[@mikeyismyname]

@@wesleyburgess31 it's dead accurate. Feels heavier than the stock shaft but it gives results

[@johnshuff953]

Any chance you can also include the new CT putter shaft from KBS?

[@Pdawg12314]

John Shuff I’ve had both. Stability is king

[@mattsheehan5033]

Would you guys be open to comparing both of these to a standard no tech putter shaft? Would be curious to see that as a control compared to these two.

[@ToddRichmond]

have to agree about the Microhinge - first tried it in a Rossie, now StrokeLab #7. Great rolls. Curious if you'd see the same stability (pun intended) differences when comparing face-balanced putters.

[@joshheiden4332]

I've been waiting for this one! thanks for doing this video guys!

[@qnpmh]

Excellent initial review; however, my odyssey red marksman 1.0 hinge insert is AWESOME. $250 is expensive; 30 hours monthly on the practicing green would do the trick!

[@RODERICKBASGOLF]

Sorry I might have missed it but did you say stroke lab has a counter balance weight in the butt and a heavier grip so it is indeed like having a tour lock weight in the butt. Stroke lab was to make the length of the stroke more repeatable. Start and stop in the same place.

[@mattsheehan5033]

Might be my favorite video yet that was incredibly interesting!

[@paraconda94]

I’ve had a stability shaft in my evnroll er9..it’s insane how awesome it is and how much my putting improved

[@jimmyp6049]

Are u still gaming it ? If so loving it ?

[@stevencrighton8755]

I’ve been wondering exactly this! Looking forward to the video

[@robertyu4313]

I wonder how greatly the results were influenced with Matt's familiarity with using the Stability Putter shaft. I hope you report the results as you fit others in both of these putter shaft types.

[@goonie1975]

I would like to see this test redone with the same head and grip, and also include a standard steel shaft, although the heads are similar they could have a slightly different toe hang, head weight etc, and the grips were different as well

[@Rexij]

I feel the stability shaft will help already good putters become even better. The strokelabs will help the bad and avarage player make a more consistent putt and help with distance control. I personally really like the balance in the Stroke labs putter.

[@scotty_teee4226]

Not everyone may suit the balance point of the strokelab, so it may not help everyone improve. It may make some people worse. The tech in the stability just takes the variance of the shaft out of the equation. You still need to be using a putters that suits you and then you can add the stability shaft to that

[@DavidD073]

BGT has this video now on their website! 👏🏻👏🏻

[@gonmacgolf3155]

Stability putter shaft in evnroll putter

[@stephendibari7704]

Me too, ER2 and they gave me 44 deg of toe hang !

[@jimmyp6049]

@@stephendibari7704 still loving the Stability ? Contemplating getting it . How did the shaft add more toe hang ? I was recently fitted into a Bettinardi and it had the 45 toe hang I needed . I wanted the EvnRoll blacked out putter but not enough toe hang . How did u change yours

[@brandonweber3178]

Interested in knowing how the new KBS CT Tour putter shaft is compared to these as it's quite affordable.

[@ns7w386]

I have had the CT Tour shaft for a while and also a stability shaft. They are nothing alike. The CT is just like a regular putter shaft but in nice color options. It is a touch stiffer. Stability shaft is a whole different feel and stiffness. Really works on mid and long putts.

[@ericbalmes4560]

I’d love to see a look at the new evnroll tour stroke trainer/putter. It’s a very radical design, different from anything I’ve seen before

[@SUPaddict]

I’d like to see your evaluation of an LAB putter with the stability shaft...

[@JamesThompson-zl2sk]

Another good video just a shame stability shaft so expensive to buy and take chance of some improvement but would really like to try it.

[@paraconda94]

James Thompson but yet you will spend 200 bucks on hybrid you hit..maybe three times

[@JamesThompson-zl2sk]

I understand what your saying but I can try the hybrid if I did carry one before I bought it

[@franks62591]

How about a comparison of these putter shafts vs the Matrix or LA Golf Shafts putter shaft? Bryson uses the 180g but they also make lengths for standard putters. Would love to see the difference of that shaft vs the Stability shaft

[@charliebrard5359]

Great video guys, a lot of info from Matt’s putting, he is a good player.I would like to see what one of these putters with these stroke lab shafts does with a 14 to 20 handicap or even higher ( as the majority of players are) . You did talk about higher cap players , I was hoping you would bring one of Matt’s friend who you worked with before , see how they feel with upgraded putters, Thank you.

[@shanoneva]

The real test would be to put a stability shaft in the Odyssey putter. Did they both have the exact same toe hang? Wouldn't that influence the face angle?

[@Sp4cetime]

I’d like to see the same head as well. I think Matt gets a better roll with the micro hinge and better contact with the stability

[@ArmyGolfBC]

I can't speak to the Stability shaft, but I can say that my putting has never been better after adding an Odyssey Stroke Lab ONE putter to the arsenal. Not sure if it's the head ,the face, the shaft, or just the overall combo but the thing just plain putts balls in holes.

[@brianbott202]

If you guys can get your hands on a LA Golf Ozik TP putter shaft I would love to see a comparison in data to the Stability shaft.

[@silverfeathered1]

One other point that should be mentioned; Most people can't buy a new standalone stroke lab shaft. (Yet) The stability shaft on the other hand can be bought and fitted to anything that fits it.

[@ryanlaii645]

Alright, I'm getting a Odyssey Mirco Hinge Putter and put in a Stability Putter Shaft 😁😁😁

[@claytron4679]

$500 putter lol

[@shaneh2289]

Haha your gonna make everything

[@spencermontoya2701]

Been waiting a long time for this one!

[@bradholomek9493]

I got my stability shaft on the putter. On my way to Phoenix for ten days to see how it goes!

[@paulaskey1508]

Just been watching both the men’s and Ladies PGA events on the TV, why is there not one pro using the Stability Shaft if it provides such claimed improvements?

[@johnstone5377]

Great video!

[@ww-oo7ic]

I would say that putter suits people like Molinari :) but i'll stick with my stability shaft!

[@noodle3872]

Matt needs a Stroke Lab Double Wide Flow with the Stability Shaft.

[@notbyalex]

It’d be cool to see the stroke lab in a mallet head, and if that could help with the twisting.

[@kevinstanley5945]

So is the take away for the average golfer we need more weight in the grip area to create a counter balance effect. I'd like to see this test then using the Stability Putter shaft and a "standard" shaft with the Evnroll Gravity grip and the Flat Cat Solution grip. Both offer significant weights (Gravity 80g, FC 100g) that sounds like would have a similar effect as the Stability shaft.

[@spotmfd9431]

I bought the a new stroke lab putter 2 weeks ago. It has pretty much eliminated my pull to the left. Making more putts inside 10 ft. I have never tried the stability shaft. 4 handicap.

[@edmc4315]

I was able to try a stroke lab putter at a Golf Galaxy being a lefty also they did not have the one I like in stock the double wide but the answer type still gave me good feedback. Just wondering with the double wide being a face balanced putter like a mallet if the head twisting would be a issue, I like the look and and feel of the stroke lab double wide.

[@mattleader821]

I’m left eye dominant but right handed golfer. Where should my ball position be at address to get better forward roll in your opinion..🤷🏻‍♂️ great content boys keep it coming. 2018 Scotty Squreback 35

[@mikedupree2290]

Matt Leader wherever you can do to make the ball roll the same one after another. Everyone is different. I was in your boat about a year ago. I was asking about lie angles, where to put it in my stance and pretty much everything I could think of. Putting was my weakness being a scratch. But I bought a little 9 foot putting green and I figured how to roll the ball the same every time or close to and didn’t care about how it looked or if it was “the right way”. And it’s night and day difference. Just get it rolling the same. You can have you eye over or just behind the line most of the time. But you should be looking at you ball the whole time Through your swing so being dominate isn’t that big of deal. It’s another thing ppl just say. My humble opinion. Best putter inside of ten feet is Fowler and he says he just looks at on spot and not at the hole. Aims, speed and then he doesn’t need to worry about anything else. So being dominate isn’t that big of deal. Hope I helped at all. Good luck buddy.

[@mattleader821]

Mike Dupree thanks Mike... changed my grip this year to right above left and seems to be a good move thus far. Distance pace and line are better so looking forward to smooth greens this summer here in UK.

[@TheSleepArtist]

Watching this in 2023 these guys were right on the mark!

[@willmcelwain3057]

Would TXG be interested in doing Evnroll blade face with the stability shaft?

[@RavenAndrew1]

Can you please do a comparison against the tour version vs standard stability shaft

[@scptguy19]

Would love to see a KBS CT tour vs Stability shaft review

[@whogg0521]

Fantastic video

[@theshaw925]

I was just going to ask about round face putters. Do they eliminate the skipping during the first 6 inches?

[@silverfeathered1]

Pretty cool test! Oddly, doesn't that head make the stroke lab shaft less important? I was under the impression that they started to use that shaft because of the much heavier heads around now. Going with the stroke lab shaft on a lower weight head seems like throwing money away. On another note, I'm now curious if the stability shaft plus that micro hinge head went straight into his bag! 😄

[@petercrocitto7383]

Odyssey seems to skid more before it started to roll and then the stability putter, isn't getting your ball to roll sooner is better than not, am I correct?

[@GRIFF22]

Fantastic video. Do you think that a great follow up would be stability shaft Vs standard shaft fitted with counter weighted grip? I play a odyssey microhinge fitted with a EVNROLL gravity grip, and it's incredible from 10 feet and in.

[@JL-ho1tc]

Which is the better putter shaft to have on a Toulon putter... Toulon Black Steel shaft that comes standard on Toulon putters... OR... KBS CT Tour Black Steel putter shaft ?

[@wesleyburgess31]

TXG the best as always! I want to send my Scotty off to BGT to have a Stability shaft installed but im worried it will mess with the balance of my favorite putter(which i love). I think i might get a mallet style putter like a Spider or Evnroll and send that off. I do wonder if Taylormade or Titleist will come out with any similar tech this year?? Hope so!

[@wesboothe6507]

Wes B great minds think alike, my name is also Wes B lol

[@josephlai1078]

Is the stability shaft suitable for all types of putter heads? I have a Odyssey stroke lab #7 from 2017 and is a bit apprehensive on whether changing the shaft will mess up the weight distribution. Any opinion will be highly appreciated.

[@Keensensepersonaltraining]

The Stroke Lab One is a 'toe hang' putter, so if Matt's putter face only rotates minimally, it's not for him. They do have plenty of options for 'face balanced' putters. I only know this because I bought the One today and googled.

[@wesboothe6507]

Can you please review and provide y’all’s knowledge base on the pros and cons of the new odyssey Toulon product line new for 2020 please? Thank you in advance .

[@captainmatt346]

Would love to know how either compares to ust putter shaft it's a dual material shaft and supposed to reduce flex and torque

[@kyungkim5764]

would cutting down a 35' stroke lab to 33.5 throw off the swing weight? considering buying one but its too long. not sure where the counter-balance weight is in the shaft. i fear might be cutting off the portion of the shaft that houses the weight. what do you think?

[@ryang1910]

Any updates on your guys findings? I’m looking for a new putter and looking at stroke lab. Wondering your findings

[@Grassy721]

Please do a lagp vs stability putter shaft video!

[@lancesedevie548]

Evnroll vs microhinge please. Thanks for the video guys!

[@cfny83]

What size is the forward putter grip that Matt uses?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Midsize

[@cfny83]

@@clubchampionmedia cheers guys. Awesome videos as always.

[@jefftoton3143]

I've had the Nippon NS Pro Putter XXIP B2 installed on an Odyssey ProType #2 and a White Hot Pro #6 (similar head shape) and love it, It's 149 grams at 35 inches I believe. I feel it has really increased the MOI of the putter. Are you familiar with that shaft and any thoughts?

[@petercrocitto7383]

To bad for fitting purposes you can't exchange putter heads and shafts like you can for irons, hybrids, woods and drivers?

[@mattdipadua9575]

Hi Ian was wondering if you could help me I had a fitter tell me it’s only worth putting my break through shaft in a mallet head doesn’t really do anything In a blade thanks as always

[@JimWeeks915]

So based on what I think I saw, if I put a stability shaft in my O Works Red S 7 head it should be the best of both worlds? is that an accurate assumption

[@paulkielwasser481]

So, I wonder how to measure my face angle at impact. I have the iPing app and cradle, and the Blast attachment and app. How do I determine if I need the Stability shaft without Quintic?

[@reidthompson6272]

Hey guys. I have an evnroll 355 and it still feels like I have to grip tightly to get a triangle going back. A light grip leaves head behind. Will a heavier grip or shaft allow me to go back more in one piece?

[@BillyTheKidAudit]

Great video guys, now the most important question is, how do we get a stability shaft on our putters? Is their a fitting center?, do we send our putters to the manufacturer for them to install them? Can we purchase one and have a local fitter install one?....etc......??????????????????? #TXG #POWERFUL

[@wesleyburgess31]

From what I've found on BGT's website you just box up your putter of choice and send it straight to them and the installation is included in the base price. I think you fill out something online to tell them the type of grip, length ect. that you want.

[@jerrypetersen5739]

Your thoughts on a mallet style head. I changed to that and my twist of the putter head stopped.

[@paraconda94]

Jerry Petersen works even better with a mallet

[@Philliprecio]

Isn't the stability what he normally games? Makes sense that his stroke is adjusted to that shaft. Isn't the stroke lab different weighting completely? I'd be more interested in someone who's never hit both and/or distance control numbers more than him hitting his gamer versus something he hasn't played multiple rounds with on a 10ft. completely flat putt..... Just a thought

[@ConnorLyon]

Matt I know this is an older video but rewatching it a 3rd time and noticed the grip.... is that Best Grips? Or is it a different brand. If it is Best Grips, how do you like it? Been thinking of getting one myself but for the price point its tough to justify buying without testing.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Hey Connor, the blue grip in the video is a Forward Golf Grip

[@wesboothe6507]

Txt guys - Can this stability shaft be put into my new Odyssey Toulon Chicago? It already has the stroke lab shaft, but I’m curious to know if this is capable to work in my Odyssey Toulon Chicago putter? It’s got a double bend neck that came with the stroke lab shaft.

[@tomgregory6275]

Does a center shaft change these readings, if so why are center shaft putters called "less forgiving"?

[@mitchleask1368]

One question I do have is can I reuse a Stability shaft in a different putter? Assuming the same putter head style (plumbers neck etc.) can the shaft be harvested from your old putter and be used again?

[@GolfNut10]

Tipsy McStagger I tested them at Club Champion and they told me it was transferable so essentially a one time cost if you want to use different head.

[@chgoalie31]

curious as to why nobody on tour uses the stability shaft

[@banditbaker1675]

Sorry I missed the live Premier showing, (please don't Black Ball me from the Club)! I have so much Putter testing that I need to do (EvnRoll 2019 Putter Range, Gravity Grip & the Stability Shaft) and so many questions to ask (will an EvnRoll Putter, plus the Gravity Grip, plus the Stability Shaft and a Counter Balance weight in the handle work) or am I going for Belt, Braces and a Parachute??????? But the Brick Wall that I'm hitting is that I can't find anyone in the UK that deals with Both EvnRoll and the Stability Shaft. Damn, I'm just gonna have tee fly over the Pond again!!!!!!

[@austinlauer1910]

Ask the boys during the live. I'll be curious to answers Bandit.

[@gggchurch]

Evnroll Gravity Grip should be part of discussion... IMHO

[@banditbaker1675]

I'm hoping to try the Gravity Grip out, but for some reason, their Stockists in the UK don't seem to have any stock to try

[@dlstoneyd]

I feel a greater sample size would be better

[@willnetterville3143]

Is there an option to put a stroke lab shaft into a putter, or would I have to buy a whole new putter?

[@Sp4cetime]

Yes. You can mail them your putter. They require you put a new grip on though.

[@russellpresley4438]

I'd say tour players have MORE to gain since they're playing to put food on the table, so to speak. So if they can save a putt every couple rounds, I don't know why they would be resistant to it!

[@whogg0521]

Grilling ribs and Salmon today. You will be missed!!

[@joe-q4s4q]

Odyssey claims this new shaft is slightly stiffer with lower torque than I'm assuming there regular putting shafts. What do u think about that claim?🤔

[@stephendibari7704]

Would like to see an evnroll with the stability shaft against a stroke Lab with the odyssey face. I have an ER2 with the stability shaft and curious to see how it compares

[@gorvgo]

Hello Stephen after a year with your stability shaft, any regrets?