OFFICIAL | The Best 13 amp double socket on the market. (55)

[@gmeadowcroft84]

I bought one for the first time yesterday to fit in a kitchen cupboard. I thought it was a great idea simply because it was awkward to get into the cupboard and I’ll be blunt I couldn’t be asses struggling with a screwdriver in there. I thought they were really good and did make the job easy. Great vid as always mate

[@JBE]

I can see that they'll be good for awkward access outlets. Like within cupboards supplying appliances. Cheers 😎👍

[@cag9284]

I've used them, and I can say there good, especially in a areas where it's difficult to get too.

[@markhardacre1]

I’m glad they’ve changed them, because the screw terminals in MK is shait as Fok. They cut the thread to prevent screw fallout and they’re a bugger to begin the thread on initial tightening, I dropped them for click years ago. They also have wider holes for a nice full width flat head on the click also… I’m waiting until they become as cheap as screw terminals SO’s, but there will always be that situation they’re perfect for to make that job easier… great vid. Keep em coming.

[@havoctrousers]

I think they'll be good for the DIY crowd - it's not just the speed of connection, it's the consistency of that connection. They look great for spurs and socket circuits wired in 4mm too - I'm never quite happy that all 3 conductors are satisfactorily screwed into traditional socket terminals for spurs, there's always one cable that wants to slip out!

[@JBE]

You're right, even with torque settings, all the best equipment and the good old tug test, there's always that uncertainty that that one conductor will flop out or snap off when screwed back to the wall. Not mine of course, mine are all perfect 😁😇👌

[@Benzknees]

Thanks for the review. About time this was introduced. The extra cost should be outweighed by the saving in time & fiddliness of those crappy little flat head screw terminals.

[@Leodis.Leather]

I think they are a great idea but the levers don’t seem anywhere near as strong or as well built as the wago ones to me, you can just pull the cable out of these when they’re clamped down without too much force

[@JBE]

Oh really 🤔 I didn't know that. I'll have to have a go next time. Time will tell how they hold up.

[@Leodis.Leather]

@@JBE yes I can’t imagine them coming loose during normal use but you know you how if you try to pull a cable out of a wago it just wont come out and feels reassuringly solid? Try that with one of these and it does pull out. It’s as if they copied the technology and not very well

[@UKsystems]

However, the pulling out of a socket is quite rare and it’s probably not a good idea if it has pension on anyway

[@J0nny61]

Great video, the MK socket is pretty cool as well, dual earth terminals, no need to torque the terminals as they are pre--set by the manufacturers connectors. I was waiting to see how you got down the back of the skirting board but that didn't happen. I used to do a few domestic installs back in the early 80's but we didn't have laser levels, multitools or impact drivers. The process hasn't changed that much, when we first got SDS plus that was a game changer and peppering holes in the brick to fit a back box became the norm along with the brick hammer and bolster chisel. Before we had portable electric drills we used to use a rawl-tool to make a hole and fit a fibre plug for fixings. Before the rawl-tool they used to knock wooden wedges into mortar joints so you could fix accessory boxes with a wood screw.

[@JBE]

Early 80s you say! The only thing I was doing back then was filling nappies and sleeping ahh the blissful ignorant days. Now I get no sleep and someone else is filling nappies for ME to change. I used an old worn 16mm flat bit to drill behind the skirting. I've seen the timber in mortar joints way many times, I've even done it myself once or twice for a good fixing. Cheers for watching Jon.

[@cypeman8037]

Of course they’re here to stay. Wago connectors have been a massive improvement on choc blocks and this is just the next phase 🙄 I thought it would be some years before we saw these sockets, we’re way behind in this upgrade.

[@MrGerry1303]

Looking good just after time the conductors don’t drop out of the wagons I sometime find they don’t Grip the conductors properly but still looks good

[@rayc1503]

The best thing I brought was Milwaukee's hole hog. I get through joists in no time. It was so good I brought the M18 cordless version too. Great content as usual James 👍🏼

[@JBE]

Cheers Ray 🤘

[@UKsystems]

It’s worth knowing to everyone these are expensive, but the time saving can be worth it

[@JBE]

@@UKsystems I installed some in a kitchen a while back, did the job in half the time. 👍🏻

[@ghspaelectricalservices9296]

I like them, especially if you are spuring off a socket to, so much easier to get all the cables terminated, I did hear there thinking of trying a fused spur version.

[@JBE]

That would be great! I'm sure they'll make a pendant too!

[@acelectricalsecurity]

The main benefit is, you won't get some idiot sticking 4 cables in a socket

[@ghspaelectricalservices9296]

@@acelectricalsecurity this is true,

[@sophieclips]

@@acelectricalsecurity hold my beer.... !!!!

[@kingofthetrowel1725]

Nice one mate 👍👍 good to see you back 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@JBE]

What kind of trowel are you king of? Plastering or bricklaying?

[@kingofthetrowel1725]

@@JBE 😂😂 bricklaying mate😉😉 well there’s hardly any brick where I am, everything’s block and stone 🤣🤣 I wanted to be king of electrics but when I tried to cut some t+e with mi trowel I thought sod this to much like hard work 😆😆

[@JBE]

@@kingofthetrowel1725 haha block and stone, where are you Dover Castle? I've do a little brickwork in my days but only on stuff that's definitely going to be covered up afterwards 🤣. I learned my lesson and now stick with wires. Besides the thought of lifting blocks just makes my arms and joints hurt.....even more than they do already!

[@kingofthetrowel1725]

@@JBE 🤣🤣 Dover castle🤔 they say there’s a trowel wedged in a rock that no one can pull out 🤣🤣 abit far for me to travel from sunny West Yorkshire, otherwise I would go pull it out as I am.....king of the trowel 😁🤣😁🤣 yea my whole body hurts when I breathe mate, was seriously thinking of a career change as a sparky, but there is just so much to take in and remember and them Ze and Zs’s confuse me, I’ve only recently just learned the alphabet so jobs ducked 😂😂

[@JBE]

@@kingofthetrowel1725 🤣 I fumble through it OK and I haven't a clue what I'm doing. Hmm West Yorkshire, so if I look East you're just over that hill 👋

[@robinpenny3193]

The most interesting thing in this video was you appeared to us a special drill to make holes in the back box, but it only features briefly with no indication what it's called, how good it is, or how I might get one. Perhaps discussed in another video somewhere?

[@JBE]

Yes definitely Robin, I've featured it in another video where I've had to use it to adapt equipment to suit my needs.

[@markhardacre1]

Cone drill

[@garyredmond1890]

I think wago type terminals are the future, not just a fad. How many sockets, JB's etc have you opened up over the years and found loose terminal screws? Lots I'd guess. Great job!

[@JBE]

Cheers Gary 👍

[@acelectricalsecurity]

True, but that's not down to the accessory, it's the dick heads fitting them

[@smitthyy]

Pull out a bit too easy for me tbh. If someone smashes into a surface mounted box I'd be worried the faceplate will pull free and leave the conductors exposed tbh. I don't worry about that with the usual screw terminal types.

[@JBE]

Good point although if someone smashes into it then hopefully that'll get the spark round there even quicker to fix it?

[@smitthyy]

@@JBE you'd think so 😳😂

[@Christopher_T_Paul]

I love maintenance free connections, use them all the time. Generally I will use Ideal pushfit combined with their junction boxes, but I always have Wago on the van as well. The idea of this socket is great, but the price is high. They are nice to fit, especially with the 3 seperate connectors making spurs a doddle. As standard I use Schneider Lisse and they are £4.50 per unit cheaper. I replaced 28 units in a house today after a remodel, and a customer would be quite upset if I passed on the £100+ extra charges, the quote may have cost me the job.

[@JBE]

They will come down in price in time, but they are still basic. No USB, no anti bacteria faceplate, no WiFi and no smart technology.

[@Ragnar8504]

@@JBE I'm sure they will. Everywhere else in Europe screw terminals on switches and sockets pretty much disappeared in the mid-90s. Only the cheapest of the cheapest sockets still have them. There were some switches with screwless terminals as early as the late 70s. Unlike MK's they're usually only rated for two solid conductors per terminal though, so you can still get screw terminals on special order for caravans, motorhomes and other applications that require stranded wire.

[@andrewwilson8717]

Out of interest how come you didn't join the socket into the ring using the ring cables under the floorboards? Would have saved chasing out the existing socket id have thought.

[@JBE]

The floor is getting laminated and all the skirting renewed. I wanted to make the joint behind the existing socket so it's accessible for future sparkys. I would always prefer to make a joint/connection in an accessible location such as a socket outlet. Joints under the floor in maintenance free boxes are a great plan B. But why have cotton when you can have silk? IMO anyway 🙂👍.

[@jonathanelgol2283]

As a DIY-er, the Logic Plus Rapid Fix from MK 13 amp double pole 2 gang socket is one of the worst I've used. Having pushed the cables in properly on open levers, then pushing the levers fully down, the cables would often be loose so that I could pull them out again. I eventually got them to fit so that they would not pull out, but I've lost my confidence with these and have gone back to the screw fix connections. Disappointed because I've always trusted MK and paid the extra for what I thought was good quality.

[@JBE]

Yes, unfortunately MK are not the trusted quality manufacturer we all thought they were. They've been bought out years ago and now all their products seem to have dropped their standards! I fit an MK consumer unit about 6 years ago and it was a horrible experience.

[@rowanNClangley]

for a re-wire where I have a whole load of sockets to fit £5 a socket is something I will get back through getting off site a lot sooner

[@JBE]

Even cheaper if you buy in bulk.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Really, If you had 20 of those sockets is over £100, in click they cost me less than £40, plus you are committed to using all mk accessories, so I don't see a saving

[@UKsystems]

@@acelectricalsecurity Brady depends on termination time because if the customer is paying for your time and this allows you to do it much quicker, it’s the total cost that is important not just the material costs

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@UKsystems what are you going to gain with those sockets, a minute a socket is nothing on a job, that would have saved me 20 mins on my last job not enough to justify the extra cost of the mk sockets.

[@UKsystems]

@@acelectricalsecurity some situations time is money for the people paying you to do it but also it depends on a lot of other factors because if you are on a time crunch saving that 20 minutes that could be a massive difference in how your day goes

[@jmf5392]

Would of liked to have seen how easy it was to get the third wire cable into the existing socket

[@JBE]

Bloody nightmare 😳 but also easy enough if you know what you're doing 😉

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

The problem with them is the ability of the wire to pull backwards out of its home. As you move the socket away from the wall, if you don't realise they are fitted, you can easily pull the live and neutral out at the same time and that's no good if you don't have the power off at the time.

[@JBE]

Yes, that's something we'll all have to think about from now on when inspecting.

[@tonygoshive785]

Damn these sockets are sexy, they are definitely here to stay. How much are they and do they do a more modern look ones? On a note, so much faster with a sds, also carry some bonding 60 with you, they are so handy with filling chases, sets in less than 60 mins, fillers aren’t really suitable for chases, especially these ready mixed ones. And they take forever to set with such a deep fill

[@JBE]

Bonding 60 👍 I'll look into it Tony. The sockets are £5.99 each from Screwfix.

[@rayc1503]

PVA followed by one coat plaster the white stuff, works for me 👍🏼.

[@Woodkin007]

Lot of extra work when you could have used wago 32a push fit under the floor.

[@metallitech]

6 quid is not bad. Would look better with the little screw hole covers. Job looks good except for that filler.

[@JBE]

The filler was horrible and I regretted it afterwards. Luckily it sanded down good and helped act as a key to the one strike filler that went on top.

[@leonblittle226]

They are the absolute go to product for taking a spur off a ring!

[@JBE]

Yep 100% agree.

[@supersparks9466]

Just wago the cables in the back of a standard socket if your worried about connecting 3 cables

[@bruciebbrock708]

having 3 separate Wago type connectors is good... with screw type (standard) they sometimes dont clamp properly and fall out but at £ 5.99 ? Comments ?

[@JBE]

£5.99 is too expensive. You can buy in bulk (not sure on the price). Once the price comes down more sparks will use them I'm sure of it.

[@superiorbeing95]

Talking of sockets, why do they melt when running a fan heater for a number of hours? Plugs I've recently had melt also, if they are rated at 13 amps surely a 2kw appliance shouldn't cause catastrophic failure? The MK look nice and are the best i think

[@JBE]

Hmm 🤔 melting sockets and plugs! Not sure what's going on there? 2KW for a long period of time might make some connections hot? But melting is something wrong in the system somewhere.

[@superiorbeing95]

@@JBE Actually it was the plug on a 4 way extension gang, nothing else plugged in, absolute molten plastic around the live pin. Cheapo socket from screwfix melted a little with crack also, same 2kw load over a period of time. Nothing wrong with the wiring, I think sockets and especially plugs are not up to the loads for continued use. MK make one plug that almost looks like an old bakolite it's that's thick a housing, I bet they would have no issue, so how do these cheapo plugs get passed? How many fires will they cause? Great channel by the way

[@ScottMcD91]

Would it not been easier to extend the ring under the floor on the existing socket? Save the second chase? Decent job as always

[@steve11211]

I'm glad I was not the only one thinking that, can always run two cables to put it on the ring, would make it easier for the next guy if they wanted to add another socket next to it..

[@ScottMcD91]

@@steve11211 More acceptable now with wage boxes and connectors. Leaving a good solid joint under the floor is fine in my eyes. Would always write on the floor board for the next person. But this guys a cracking spark knows his stuff

[@steve11211]

@@ScottMcD91 Yeah totally agree.. If it had been me doing that job with my luck the existing cables would have gone down from the socket 1 inch then gone off on a 45 degree angle and I would have cut through them.. Nothing wrong with the job, so many ways to do a job no one right way..

[@JBE]

It was just the job I was doing and the way I planned it. You're right as are a few others on here, a maintenance free Wago or in-sure box terminated correctly would of been equally acceptable. There's more than one way to skin a cat, chances are if you put it on here someone will correctly inform you it could of been carried out a different way. Cheers Scott.

[@ScottMcD91]

@@JBE Atleast you have the guts to post it mate you make great videos. Even I’m still learning from some of them keep up the good work

[@raywelshman]

Hi James, what about the situation when you take a spur off a ring like you did in this video, how do you connect the earth lead to the backbox? you have only room for 3 earth conductors, do you put 2 earth wires in one connector, I have tested this myself and they appear to hold and test ok, you said you were going to change the other socket, how did you deal with 4 earth wires? Regards from Ray in North Wales.

[@JBE]

Take one of the cpc's from the ring final circuit, put about 3 inches of sleeving on it, then bend a V into it, bring it to the earth lug on the back of the back box and connect it, then sleeve the remaining cpc and terminate into one of the 3 levers. I hope that's understandable? 🤷🏼‍♂️😳👀. If not check out my channel, video number (53) where I can be seen doing this in a kitchen. Although not on this new super socket, just a regular version.

[@markhardacre1]

I think they’ll take 2CPCs in one port, same as wago

[@raywelshman]

@@markhardacre1 Hi, yes I have already tested it with Wago, they appear to make good contact and survive a tug test ok..

[@alexayers7518]

Are you not allowed to junction box the ring main under the floor boards where that socket was and spur off it from there?

[@JBE]

Yes you could do that. If it's not going to be an accessible place then use a maintenance free junction box like Wago, Ideal or Hager provide.

[@train4905]

Exellent😊

[@JBE]

Cheers, have you used these sockets?

[@kendoknackersackee]

Who doesn't like a really solid, nice tight back box?

[@JBE]

😆🤏👌

[@mugs66]

I love how they copied the colours from your logo onto the levers on the back of the socket, nice branding 🤣

[@JBE]

I know cheeky buggers 😉🤘🔵🟢🟤

[@ericthekingthekingtheking4842]

Why didnt you split the ring under the boards? You wouldnt have the chase on the feed socket then

[@JBE]

In all honesty and in my opinion with hand on (Red) heart. You're right, Eric is the King. Best thing to happen to MUFC since Sir Alex. My goodness how we miss them both now 😌.

[@ericthekingthekingtheking4842]

@@JBE Your not wrong mate how lucky we was to watch fergies teams especially with eric

[@JBE]

@@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 These lot today will never know of real players wanting to play for the club, instead of all these overpaid mercenaries. I'm glad we have Ronaldo back (for now) but I bet even he's thinking wtf happend? It's safe to say that we've had some of the best players and managers in the world since Sir Alex left! Yet what have they done? There sure are some overpriced overhyped lads in the squad these days.

[@ericthekingthekingtheking4842]

@@JBE Yep theres alot of work to be done for this new imterim manager and whoever they get full time next season as managee

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

Can I have your screwdrivers , as if you are now installing that crap you don’t need your screwdrivers anymore .😡🤣great video though 👍❤️

[@JBE]

I still need them to crowbar the floor up with. 🤔🪛

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

@@JBE those sockets ant bad but I don’t think they will become the norm Nice clean job you did mate 👍👍👍❤️

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

By the way has your wife filed for a deforce yet 🤣? If not then for your sake don’t let her see the start of the video you did with the god that is David Savery 😂👌jokes aside that was a brilliant video David is so funny

[@alexdougherty4905]

I got one the other day to tit around with😆

[@JBE]

Nice, what did you think of them? Personally I quite like them.

[@alexdougherty4905]

@@JBE pretty smart mate, i would be very interested in where they go next with it. Maybe spurs or light switches 🤔

[@JBE]

@@alexdougherty4905 Or ceiling pendants? Technically they could make a consumer unit out of the things! #watchthisspace

[@alexdougherty4905]

@@JBE oh defo mate. A pendant would a great for them to do next👍

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Mk were the first company to design the socket with curves, then everyone copied them. These sockets are like every time saving product in the electrical industry, too expensive, manufacturers, price themselves out the market, the time saving does not justify the cost, especially when I can get a click twin socket for less than £2.

[@JBE]

I suppose it depends on what the customer wants? Some socket accessories are near that price anyway. But yeah by the time you add on your bit they become quite a cost to pass over.

[@michealplater9007]

Earthing the box, wait for the hate comments

[@JBE]

I'll be honest I don't always do it. Although I do think it's best practice. The perfect electrician just like the perfect man, does not exist.

[@malcb1864]

That horse hair wasn't asbestos..

[@JBE]

I think it was Shergars grandads tail?

[@JD-gi9pl]

They're OK but... please don't take away our screwdrivers 😭

[@JBE]

Have you used one JD? They'll never take my screwdrivers 🤣

[@JD-gi9pl]

@@JBE not yet. I will though. I plan on keeping a couple on the van. They'll be ideal for maintenance fits where you're left with next to no length on the cable, and spurs. Even 25mm back boxes. Just gives a bit of extra confidence when you're pushing it back knowing they're in their own terminals. I wouldn't spec them on an upgrade job yet though, mainly a price thing at this stage. But then again, there'll be jobs where I probably wish I had 😁 it's a decent product. If I'm being a bit picky, it would be the way they're marketed with the multi colour terminals. You walk through the door at screwfix and you know they're advertising it as a DIY product. Doesn't stop it being a very good product though and there's no doubt that lever connections have big benefits.

[@JBE]

@@JD-gi9pl Yep, they do say "buy me buy me" to a builder/DIYer who might see it and think "this is even easier for me now, I just join the colours up" 🤣. They would be an absolute joy to install on a second fix rewire in an empty property with 35mm back boxes. With some great tunes on the wireless and the temperature just right, while the apprentice comes back with KFC for lunch. 😋👍 Think I got a bit carried away with myself there, dream jobs only happen on "other KZbin channels" 🤣.

[@JD-gi9pl]

@@JBE I'd love a KFC. Instead I'm usually panic eating a Ginsters on the way to the supplier because a 2 hour job is about to take over the day 😁

[@JBE]

@@JD-gi9pl Me too!! I'm normally gagging on a sausage roll that's way too hot, while trying not to get pastry in my beard, while also navigating a 6 way roundabout in the rain. (That last bit was a joke Mr plod) it's a 7 way motorway roundabout 😎🌭

[@SniemGoogle]

Why on earth didn't you replace the existing socket as well with an MK? Looks really bad having different types in a room. Very unprofessional.

[@JBE]

Watch till the end, I did but didn't film it. I've had the MK super socket for months and was waiting for a chance to get it installed somewhere. Using a wood chisel to chop plaster out the wall, now that's deeply unprofessional!

[@markhardacre1]

🙄

[@jamescarver6275]

Employing a what?????

[@JBE]

Vacuum cleaner, I know must sparks don't know what that is but I thought I'd try and keep the mess down to a minimum. I can't exactly film myself sweeping it under the floor boards 😜🤫

[@knobon]

Its Var-go not way-go. Its German.

[@JBE]

Yep and in England we pronounce a W with a W. I'm afraid they'll have to put a V instead of a W if they want us to say it their vay 😉.

[@reginaldcrudstump383]

It's it's not its!