BRACING For The STORM!! | Storm/Luck Runs Out - Epic: The Musical | Reaction/Analysis

[@SayukiSuzukiMizuno]

Eurolychus' backing vocals are always other crewmates. I believe this animatic was created before Jay explained this

[@evandropaschoalini5940]

As the first mate, he is the voice of tge crew, after all

[@kittycatzuka]

"You're like the brother I could never do without" funnily enough, Eurylochus is canonically married to Odysseus' sister, Ctimene.

[@rysonsynic]

Oh that's going to make this all ✨️so much worse✨️ huh.

[@alexeysimushov4971]

Thunder Saga… yes I know the fourth song

[@G_Rez]

"I see portrayals of betrayal and a brothers final stand"

[@JonathanFleischer-bl9eg]

@@G_Rez ahhhhhh you hurt meee. thats one line I couldn't quite figure out

[@NordemRay]

Mutiny. That's all I have to say.

[@Anne-nk7xt]

Odysseus walked the path of constantly pissing off gods so Percy jackson could run on it lmao.

[@officialmortius]

YOU’RE SO RIGHT

[@jacggg]

Odysseus was the original “I am impertinent”

[@atiredweeb8551]

The only difference is that when PERCY does smth to piss off Poseidon, he gives him a good five seconds to explain himself

[@idgarobingoodfellow]

​@atiredweeb8551 well yeah, that's what happens when you're a nepo baby of the Big Three like Percy, with a mom so awesome Posideon wanted to make her a queen. Odysseus was just a great grandson of Hermes that Athena saw and was like "hey, this guy's pretty cool, wait, actually... nevermind"

[@voltrasinthethunder6689]

That's why Athena didn't like Percy. He reminded her of the best and worst parts of Odysseus.

[@Fruity_one]

"You can't just be like: 'oh wisdom mommy left me, let me go find wind daddy'" BEST QUOTE FROM YOU!😂

[@Gacha_Got_Arsorned]

The fact that he called it a rebound 😂

[@beckenfuggle644]

FULLY AGREE😂❤

[@beckenfuggle644]

BEST QUOTE for sure!

[@beckenfuggle644]

@@Gacha_Got_Arsorned🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

Genius! Truly! 😂

[@ioanzatui]

imo, the reason Eurylochus says "how much longer" and not "our luck has already turned to shit" was because to that point, the ONLY time they lost men and didn't come out unscathed during that whole war was with the Cyclops. And he had no clue that you-know-who was about to rock up on their fleet. It's why Eurylochus was shaken, and asking when, not realizing their luck was already running out and shit was about to get 9x worse.

[@disableddragonborn]

Plus, things can always get worse. With Epic, things DO always get worse for Odysseus. 🤣

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

Ironically, their luck really hadn't run out. They were almost home and Odysseus is negotiations with the wind God went great. It's ironically Eurylochus himself who dooms their entire fleet.

[@jacobmorejead8122]

This animatic misses a really important thing happening in Luck Runs Out which is that Eurylochus is slowly getting the crew to agree with him, signified by the steady increase in background vocals. This is why Odysseus pulls him aside, he feels like hes losing control of the crew.

[@disableddragonborn]

With all the mistakes Odysseus has made that cost lives, I don't think Eurylochus is getting people to agree with him, he's giving them the courage to voice their concerns about Odysseus's competence as a captain. I think of it as like in the 2009 Star Trek. Spock stepped down after losing his temper because he knew that compromised everyone. (I haven't watched the film since DVDs were still common, so I can't remember all of the details.)

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

​​@@disableddragonborn It's a bit of both, I think. They'd been blindly following Oddysseus until this point so even when things go wrong part of them wonders if he won't find a way to get them out since he had actually managed to make it out of most things at this point. So Eurylochus is speaking on behalf of the voiceless crew, but the act of speaking also makes the crew stop and ponder and slowly take his side. Star Trek 2009 is maybe not the best example, though, cause the bridge didn't actually doubt Spock or his calls. It was really only Kirk who was at odds with Spock. And Spock stepped down because he was emotionally compromised, which Oddysseus isn't any more compromised than the rest of his crew. Oddysseus is closer to Kirk, actually, convinced he can always find a way out of any no-win scenario.

[@sylvirgiomanach1491]

​@@disableddragonborn wait. Are DVDs not common anymore? 😅

[@disableddragonborn]

@@sylvirgiomanach1491 I only learned earlier this year that most laptops these days don't have disc trays, mine included. Everything's going digital now. the DVD rental places in my area are all gone. Streaming killed DVD stores.

[@DevilSpade]

@@yuukinoyuki9064 well they're not *blindly* following him, he is a king of respected renowned and i think his connection to the goddes of wisdom is pretty public unlike their falling out and even if that isnt the case he still has ALOT of success under his belt which is why they are loyal to him

[@ioanamoiceanu9533]

In Odiseus's defense, so far it's not so bad. Yes, they lost a few men to the cyclops, but there are still 550+ people under his command. It's a tragedy, but losing less the 10% of his team in 10+ years and a freaking war is tehnicaly considered a win so far. Plus, I don't think anyone else knows that he lost Athena's support

[@kristenthacker5762]

I think thats kinda WHY it got so out of hand. Because like you said these are the first real casualties that are of the men under his command, which is also part of the reason athena was so ticked. She warned him that he needed to not let down his guard just yet, and when he did and it ended badly odysseyes doubled down by continuing to make more emotion driven mistakes, driving her to pull back. (Pull back because even if she isn't his mentor anymore she IS still keeping an eye on him as we will presumably see later )

[@pondbrothers806]

Well, I’m pretty sure they didn’t know Athena was there in the first place, but I see your point.

[@TsarAlexander395]

If we go by the real Odyssey, he only lost six men to the Cyclops, which means only Sunshine boi and five other men died. But there may have been more deaths in this version.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

And ironically you can't even really count revealing his name to polyphemus as a mistake at this point. Assuming his crew had continued to trust and Odysseus he would have gotten them home safely, it was their betrayal which put them in the hands of Poseidon.

[@RichrobArtYT]

The animatic is losing some kind of important stuff. Like, at the last, Odysseus pulls Eurylochus in privet so that they can talk. But he kind of says his lines, in a slightly threatening way. 😠 "I can't have you spreading seeds of doubt, I can't have you questioning each rout, I need you to always stay devout!" That's the reason Odysseus's "Okay?" Sounds so stern if you listen closely.

[@cinder_x3]

When you do "Keep your friends close" I STRONGLY recommend gigi's animatic, the designs and movement are insane and it's my favourite animatic anyone's ever made about this entire musical

[@RadiantSquiggle]

And their animatic for" Ruthlessness". The end of "Keep your friends close" ties into the beginning of "Ruthlessness".

[@winterstorm7886]

SECONDED> HEAVILY SECONDED

[@dualwieldroxas358]

Gigi's grasp on dynamic camera perpective in thier animatics is legendary

[@cinder_x3]

@@dualwieldroxas358 the spinning shot in puppeteer is the only thing on my mind at all times

[@cvl9053]

About trumpets... Mr. Jalapeño often links certain instruments with certain characters. For example: Odysseus' instrument is a guitar. Depending on what Ody is doing it's a different type. Acoustic, romantic guitar is for whenever he sings about his wife, electric guitar comes int play when he is fighting or getting ready for attack (like in Remember Them, or Horse and the Infant) Polities' was a cheery-sounding kalimba Athena's is piano and clock-like ticking. Eurylochous' isn't an instrument, but the voices of the rest of the crew accompany his singing. And so on and so on That being said trumpets belong to someone as well. And that also points that certain character is also present during "Storm".

[@Error_o7]

Spoiler (maybe) Zeus?

[@Daughter_of_Hecate_here]

​@@Error_o7nope! Close though!

[@RadiantSquiggle]

Spoiler Poseidon

[@Error_o7]

@@RadiantSquiggle OHHHHH thanks 😊😊

[@RadiantSquiggle]

@@Error_o7 no problem

[@NicoleM-b3o]

In addition to all of the comment pointing out Eurylochus choosing to have this confrontation in front of the crew, undermining Odysseus in front of the crew (as valid as his points may have been at least to consider), it's interesting to go back all the way to the Troy Saga to realize HOW many times he questioned or outright objected to Odysseus' orders and plans, oftentimes in the hearing of at least some of the crew members. hence 'I can't have you disagreeing each route'. Because he practically HAS been, which really undermines Ody's ability to lead and probably rankles him enough to not listen to words of caution that arguably he should have. Eurylochus actually questions Odysseus quite a bit in the adventure, if you look for it...

[@vaquishers]

fun fact: Jay misinterpreted the island. The description of the island was that it was floating. Jay thought it meant floating in the sky but the odysseys meant floating on the sea

[@IamWalkingDead1]

Though tbf, epic is going back to the traditional form of a Greek epic, a story told/sung with their own flourishes or variation of what happened. So the sky island could be an example of that

[@bookswithike3256]

No it definitely meant floating in the sky. In the original myths, no the island doesn't float, but Jay said making the island float is one of the artistic liberties he's taking with the story.

[@vaquishers]

@@bookswithike3256 It never specified whether the island was in the sky or on the sea. Aeolia was described as a "floating island" which is a known phenomenon on earth. Jay himself has admitted that when he read the description of Aeolia being a floating island, he interpreted it as floating in the sky and with that belief he wrote the song. He says and I quote "So aeolus' island in the source material is described as a floating island, and for the longest time i thought that meant floating in the air but I was so wrong. My understanding right now is that a floating island is an island that is not rooted to the bottom of the sea and so it just floats on the surface of the water"

[@RichrobArtYT]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure in was meant to be in the sky

[@DevilSpade]

@@vaquishers mmmm sounds like back pedaling but go off

[@richardbaran60]

21:42 They are on a ship, and the crew is listening to them arguing, and they agree with Eurilycus. (The backing vocals)

[@roundestleaf]

Sometimes, as great and lovingly made as they are, the animatics can be incredibly misleading for someone who doesn‘t know what‘s going yet xD (Like the harpoons in the first animatic not having long enough ropes so you‘re left wondering why they “attack” the island, or the entire second animatic not showing the rest of the crew while Eurylochus voices his doubts.)

[@shiro4833]

22:00 It's the crew. This conversation takes place in front of the whole ship. Odysseus later tells Eurylocus to talk to him in private and that's when the backing vocals stop. The backing vocals supporting Eurylocus here are the crew and he speaks on their behalf

[@lerandommew438]

I think during the part when he says "600 men to war and not one of them died" I think he's talking about DURING the war, not after. For 12 years, he had 600 men and none of them died DURING the war. Obviously now, AFTER the war, he has lost men. But during the war none of his men died. I think that's what he's saying but i could be wrong.

[@geosustento8894]

Yes, that's what he said, "what about on your way back?"

[@lerandommew438]

@@geosustento8894 Ah! I missed that lol, Thank you!

[@skygazer6082]

*10 years. Jay made a mistake saying 12 in the Circe saga. Hence in the Horse and the Infant: "Ten years of war they killed us slowly. But now we'll be the ones who slaaay"

[@johanegauthier7104]

@@skygazer6082 i don't think it was a mistake in the Circe's saga. Travel on a boat took a long time back then, and it's actually more than probable that it's already been 2 years since they left Troy when they meet Circe. I could be wrong tho

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

​@@geosustento8894it's not even a great counter argument, they've only lost a handful of men, and the casualties would have been much greater if it were not for odysseus. He is a sound Commander and would have gotten his Fleet home if it had not been for the doubt of the crew.

[@Unknown_Eldritch]

To be fair on the point of Odysseus telling Eurylachus that he can't be sowing seeds of doubt, from what I remember that's like one of the most important things for a crew on the seas. Planting doubt will lead to hesitation and possibly even a mutiny, and that could lead to all of them dying.

[@disableddragonborn]

But he also should be honest with his crew. He's already gotten many killed because of his bullshit. Eurylochus was just being realistic. Seeds can only grow in fertile soil. If the others begin to question Odysseus, there's probably a valid reason to question his choices and orders.

[@Unknown_Eldritch]

@@disableddragonborn I mean, he only got I think 7 killed so far at Polyphemus's place, and he managed to lead all of them through the Trojan War of all things without any death. You'd think they'd give him the benefit of the doubt, all things considered.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@Unknown_Eldritch Idk how much of Epic you are familiar with, so I'm gonna try to phrase this in a way that doesn't spoil it. The benefit of the doubt they've given him leads to a decrease in the number of men under his command doubting him. The benefit of the doubt is, in a way, a form of mercy, and mercy has a price.

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

Yes. Planting doubt on the sea, especially in the military on the sea, can lead to tragedy. We actually see this in the very next song. Would the crew who had left Troy and fully believed in Oddysseus as their commander have gone against his direct orders and opened that bag of wind? Oddysseus has his own flaws, his pride will get many killed. But he's not the only flawed characters, and lack of faith in their captain will also contribute

[@Unknown_Eldritch]

@@disableddragonborn Oh, I'm aware of what comes later, but the fact of the matter is that right now, as of that song, none of that has happened yet.

[@stevenredacted1322]

I will say while Odysseus pulling rank at the end is a pretty dark moment, challenging a captain in public like that is actually pretty dangerous, that’s how mutiny starts.

[@TheAngelofFate17]

If I remember correctly one of the songs in the future after the Underworld Saga is called Mutiny.

[@Dani-bx6mg]

Mutiny huh? Interesting… 🤔

[@Tioko]

Damn, I was not prepared for how shippy and anime the “Luck Runs Out” animatic is… Anyway, you can really tell if it’s humans or gods doing the backing vocals. Godly backing vocals always have a lot of effects on them, while real humans sound a lot more natural.

[@MildlyPerturbed]

This is a great reaction! For “Keep your friends close”, you should consider watching Gigi’s animatic. For “Ruthlessness”, I would recommend watching either Gigi or AnniFlamma’s animatic! Both are amazing!

[@MasterLycan844]

Definitely AnniFlamma's. It is just so much more cinematic. X3

[@cordyceps182]

I prefer AnniFlamma's overall, but both are good. The usage of the horse and the scene at the end just puts Anni's version a bit higher.

[@Galaxxite]

i dunno, am i the only one who prefers gigi's ruthlessness? anni's was amazing as well, of course, and i did like the emphasis on poseidon being the lord of horses, but i really liked gigi's portrayal of poseidon and his emotions as well as the mood and setting changing drastically throughout the song. i think basically my opinion is that anniflamma's was more refined, while gigi's fit the vibe more. i haven't found anyone else who agrees so i might just be wrong though lmao

[@hazyeditsss]

I LOVE anniflammas, that might just be because it was the first “ruthlessness” animatic I had seen, so I’m just used to it but I also LOVE gigi’s as well :)))

[@MildlyPerturbed]

@@Galaxxite No, I think I agree. You actually put my thoughts into words haha.

[@SuperSonicBlur]

Oddy pulling rank is an important thing for the crew. Having options suggest is fine, presenting possibilities is good. But once Oddy has made a choice he needs his crew to follow those orders. 500+ crewmen following the same plan, even if its not the best plan, will still work better than 500+ people all doing their own plan. The best example of something like this I can think of is from Star Trek TNG when Data and Worf are acting as CO and 2nd in command. They have a brilliant little bit of dialogue which is very reminiscent of Luck Runs Out in terms of theme.

[@Al_-cf1dj]

Just a general note about how many people seem to just not catch that Odysseus was acting nice in front of the crew before realising this argument had gone on for too long and essentially went "i need you to stfu in front of the crew, mkay?" "Okay." "Thank you 🙄". Like bro, it's fine that you want arguments to be private, it's essential to keep a united front but also don't dismiss the very valid concerns of your friend and second in command????

[@BleuchuCake]

in Odysseus's defense, his luck only ran out because of his crew LOL, especially since the one that opens the bag in the story is Eurylochus

[@Slash_to_your_heart]

That is not the problem. The problem is that said "second on command" was trying to overrule the captain while basically saying,in front of the crew,that what they had was due to luck. That talk can lessen the trust in the words of the captain(as we see a bit later when they open the bag,even though he said not to) aswell as fuck with moralle. So it was more of a "please bring this up in private and not where our men are listening,because believe it or not,i know what i am doing and i know that creating a divide is smth we DO NOT WANT" than just a "stfu in front of the others cus im boss"

[@Al_-cf1dj]

@@Slash_to_your_heart yeah the only thing you did was interpret the tone differently, I literally said "keeping a united front is essential". But the music and especially the tone of voice in the last "Thank you" definitely are an indication that Odysseus dismissed the concerns entirely in the end, which should not be his move in private. It's kinda sus to me that he was only playing nice in public. Again, the issue isn't wanting privacy, it's that he only said to not bring this up in public and then did not address the concerns any further

[@Al_-cf1dj]

@@BleuchuCake....fair

[@Slash_to_your_heart]

@Al_-cf1dj i am just saying,i too would be pissed and dismiss his concerns after he decided to put me on the spot in front of the entire crew. Nevermind that his first response till then has been "being a pirate kinda slaps tho".

[@NessyTheLochNessMonster228]

The Storm bit that felt familiar might have been because there is a callback to it in Ruthlessness, which I think you mentioned you've heard before. It would actually be really cool if you catch it in Ruthlessness because it has implications for why they're encountering the storm in the first place.

[@ellierosescribbles]

The note pattern at 7:46 you find to be familiar is the "danger is near/present" motif. Heard in The Horse and the Infant and Polyphemus and probably more songs.

[@m0thernature730]

I was so happy he noticed it too I was looking for this comment!

[@nottellingya9887]

It isn't. The danger is nearby motif is the way the Laestrygonians sing Poseidon's name. And that's not it

[@aniheartsong5102]

​@@nottellingya9887 really? Than where is it from because it does sound familiar?

[@nottellingya9887]

@aniheartsong5102 not sure. But it's not the danger motif, idk why people think it is

[@aniheartsong5102]

@@nottellingya9887 maybe because the creator recently made a video on the danger motif so that one is on their mind? That's why I first assumed such, though I wasn't sure 😅.

[@justtye7966]

Eurolychus’ backing vocals represent the crew. Basically he is speaking for the crew

[@LoreCatan]

21:31 - 21:57 It's the rest of Odysseus' crew! (As you realized later😅) Jay confirmed this when he was talking about how backing vocals differs from humans as opposed to the gods. It's true that this song is mainly about Eurylochus confronting Odysseus about how reckless he's being, but in general as second-in-command he represents the doubts and fears of all of his men, acting as their voice when they otherwise wouldn't have the rank to speak so frankly to their captain about these things. Plus, if you think about it, on a ship there wouldn't be many places they could speak in private without other people around aside from one of their private rooms, as we saw at the end of the song. Odysseus is under the impression that the crew hearing Eurylochus question him will sow seeds of doubt, not realizing that Eurylochus is only asking because all of them already have doubts that they'd like for him to address to ease their minds. At least that's my interpretation of it!

[@JunieBug]

I always thought it was the rule of military: you don't question the captain in front of the crew, because that plants "seeds of doubt" in the crew, because they don't know if they're doing the right thing when the two top ranks have conflicting opinions. In a life or death situation, that kind of uncertainty will often lead to lives lost.

[@taurbeer]

While Lampyrcy is an excellent animatic maker, I suspect that the specifics of their animatic of Luck Runs Out got you a bit more confused than necessary. Eurylochus is meant to be backed by the crew of the ship (not spirits like in the animatic), his side in the song kind of being a mirror of *every* person of the crew. This is meant as setup for not just the upcoming song, but also just to show that the crew are really starting to doubt Odysseus. Because yeah, people are backed by people, gods are backed by whatever they want.

[@morrowzoranov]

ah yes, as always, common sense is chasing him but Odysseus is faster also at 21:56 the crew is singing, Eurylochus is "planting seeds of doubt", he's questioning Odysseus' leadership and the crew is backing him up

[@robertolanzone]

7:45 Yes and no... I think youre remembering a small moment in "Ruthlessness" in which Poseidon mentions the storm and that motif is played 😊 so technically nothing from the previous songs, and yet something from the first you heard 😂

[@magentascribe7586]

The danger motif is also baked into the storm melody, that might be what he’s hearing

[@robertolanzone]

​@@magentascribe7586 Maybe, but he mentions specifically the storm's motif, so knowing he knows and even covered the second verse of "Ruthlessness" I'm pretty sure he remembers hearing it after the "you totally could've avoided all this, had you just killed my son... but nooh!"

[@LucasGonzalez-rj9bk]

20:24 I feel the animatic for Luck Runs out animatic send the wrong message for the character interactions. Considering how this version of the story is written, the song is much more tense, Odysseus is not being tender with Eurylochus, he is losing his patience and acting nice in front of the crew only to save face. Then when it’s just the two of them starting with “I can’t have you planting seeds of doubt” it’s meant to be directly confrontational. Not pleading and soft like the animation. Odysseus is saying, “step in line” not “please don’t be mean to me”

[@disableddragonborn]

It feels like it should be obvious, especially with Eurylochus going from "You're like the brother I could never do without" to "Captain". He's going from being a friend to being Odysseus's subordinate in how he addresses him.

[@animepianistpalmer6670]

@@disableddragonborn I mean to be fair he is his brother-in-law so he has reason to call him a brother.

[@grapeicies]

Yeah, I cringed when I saw it was this animatic. I respect the artist’s vision of events and I also think it’s the WORST possible representation of what’s going on. There’s tension (non-romantic) building between two comrades in a very public argument and the style, framing, and acting here doesn’t work for that at all.

[@bookswithike3256]

The wind god is Aeolus. Technically he's more than the wind god, he's the king of the wind gods. Then the four winds (his children?) are also fairly prominent gods.

[@jordanNCM]

As a PJO fan he may be more familiar with his son Boreas

[@bookswithike3256]

@@jordanNCM I think Aeolus, Boreas and Notus all appear in Heroes of Olympus.

[@DeadChannel51]

11:05 Jay mentioned that he also liked the way Armando (Eurylochus’ Singer) said “what?” When Odysseus mentioned shooting for the sky

[@takeyiatwitty2216]

Love Storm. It gets over shadowed by the rest of the Ocean Saga but it's an amazing composition and the first time I noticed the danger motif. I also get a chuckle from the animatic because of the Hamilton reference.

[@falperio05]

Tbh, Lampyrcy art style gives a lot of "2 mans~, sitting in a hottub, 5 feet apart cause they're not gay" vibes xdxd

[@Lutielledi2k]

I really love how in the modern day we look at Odysseus’s adventures and go “god he’s so DUMB and HEROIC” but in context of the rest of the Greek mythological hero cohort he’s the *smart* one. He’s Odysseus, favorite of the goddess of wisdom! His fatal flaw is not being stupid; in fact, his mind is exactly why he’s one of the more successful heroes in that he actually (spoilers for the Odyssey) gets what he wants and gets the Greek equivalent of a happily ever after. No, his fatal flaw is why it took him so long and cost him so much, and it is just the same as all the Greek heroes: hubris.

[@charlesaether237]

I want to share this now, but Gigi, AnniFlamma and Ximena Natzels are the known Titans of the Circe and Storm Saga so far from what I have seen (Lampyrcy is a honourable mention too) Just recently, as of writing this, Gigi just uploaded her own version of 'Puppeteer'. BUT BEFORE THAT We can see a sneak peak of 'There are other ways' by Anni, so already... WE ARE EATING WELL FOR CIRCE SAGA

[@ggb2218]

Kinda spoilers**** Just connected the dots, trumpets is the instrument for Posiden Posiden is the one causing it.... nice

[@kristinahughes2668]

Most of the characters have an instrument or style that represents them, so that when they appear in a song the audience can pick up on them, even if only subtly: Athena = piano, Odysseus = guitar, Divine beings = more electric music than not. Regarding Eurylochus, however; he doesn't have an instrument exclusive to him, but the echoing voices of the rest of the crew, because, as second in command, he is literally the voice and simmering opinions of the men under Odysseus' command.

[@R4Y_THER4T]

7:31 the reason it sounds so familiar is because you listened to ruthlessness, and in the background of “you totally could’ve avoided all this and you just killed my son, but no” you can hear Trumpets. It’s going in the melody of storm

[@tgedragon9008]

I just wanted to mention this now before I forget later: Odysseus is the whole reason for the war and he never wanted to be there. At Helen's pick the groom ceremony, her father was nervous about picking anyone, because it would make everyone else mad and everyone there including him is a king. Odysseus (a king) was also there as a suitor and said that if the king puts in a good word with Penelope's father, he will tell him a plan. The plan is that everyone there swears that if anyone tries to mess up the marriage, they all go to war to defend it. Mutually Assured Destruction really. They go through with it, and Helen gets married to the king of Troy. Years later, Helen is kidnapped to Troy and everyone is called to sack Troy to get Helen back for her husband. Odysseus at this point has married Penelope and Telemachus is an infant. Odysseus tries to dodge the draft because he doesn't want to leave his wife and newborn son. So, he acts crazy and starts losing his field full of crops in the wrong season and salting his fields. When the brother of Helen's husband gets there, to get Odysseus to the fight, to get him to give up the act, he throws Telemachus from Penelope's arms in front of the plow, causing Odysseus to swerve and crash trying not to kill his son. This proves he isn't crazy and gets dragged to war. The Trojan war then takes 10-12 years and then he starts trying to make his way back to the son he hasn't seen as anything but an infant and his wife. Also, in an unrelated note, if you are the second in command, you are allowed to disagree with your boss in private, but not in public. You have to show a unified front to the crew or things can go very badly. Mutiny is a possibility.

[@disableddragonborn]

I mean, sometimes a mutiny is necessary. If the captain keeps making choices that are getting the crew killed, he is unfit to lead.

[@puck4274]

@@disableddragonborn Except none of the choices Odysseus has made up to this point have gotten anyone killed. They've lost seven men out of six hundred in ten years, to the Cyclops. I guess you could argue that was his fault for not divining somehow that the sheep belonged to a monster, but even then he managed to keep the casualties to a minimum by thinking on his feet, and they still got what they went there to get (the food). If the public questioning had started after Poseidon wipes out most of the fleet I would have nothing to say, but at this point? Yeah, that was a bad call. Hell, Poseidon wouldn't even have caught them before they arrived to Ithaca if the crew had not decided to open the bag against orders. Odysseus is by no means a perfect leader, but the only truly bad choice he makes in the Odyssey is revealing his name to the Cyclops. Every other disaster is the consequence of his crew being idiots and going against orders.

[@bearhugzfam649]

So I rambled for ages on this vid already but I'm still thinking about the disagreement between Ody and Eury about his course of action. We know that hope has the power to keep us going through things we might otherwise not be able to survive (as in, we've studied it, it's not just anecdotal) so Ody might actually have a perfectly good point. "I can't have you planting seeds of doubt (...) we'll all die" because that's very literally true. Even ignoring the potential for mutiny or accidents caused by people doubting him and not moving out of the way of danger, for instance, there's still the chance that simply doubting their survival could be what kills them. The mind is a powerful thing, and Ody does prove that he's very capable more often than not, just think about how things could have gone if Eury hadn't trusted him in Remember Them and had run when the other cyclops's came to Polyphemus' aid. But at the same time, Ody is arrogant, and he's fallible. He might be right more than he's wrong, but he can be wrong, too. Needing to keep the hopes of the crew up isn't the same as neglecting Eury's concerns, he's the second in command for a reason and he has some valid points. "You need to stfu in front of the men" is a valid sentiment, but they're talking privately at that point - the needs to be prepared to listen to other sources of information if he wants to continue surviving (*cough* Athena *cough cough* shouldn't have left 'phemus alive *achoo*)

[@disableddragonborn]

Seeds can only grow in fertile soil. If the others doubt him, they may have valid reasons, and if a captain is incompetent and/or unfit to be leading, a mutiny is not only justified, but necessary. Plus, it's not like everyone is on one ship. The entire fleet couldn't possibly hear him.

[@bearhugzfam649]

@@disableddragonborn dandelions would like to have a word with you about your whole fertile soil claim, I've seen those buggers grow out of concrete. But seriously, the proverbial soil doesn't have to be Odysseus's mistakes. Think about how many things people have famously believed false things with catastrophic effects. Religions committing horrible crimes to destroy sin, people committing suicide or murder for a sense of honour, the nazi purist beliefs... were those seeds all sown in fertile soil? "Seeds only grow in fertile soil" is a nice bumper sticker, but that's about it, and the whole "oh but not everyone's on one ship" thing seems somewhat irrelevant if you've heard literally the next song in the saga.

[@malenaseiguer2081]

I’ve just realized that the trumpets in Storm foreshadow Poseidon’s involvement in the creation of the storm, since trumpets are Poseidon’s signature instrument

[@miasoto8496]

I love Gigi's animations for "Keep Your Friends Close", and "Ruthlessness". Also for "Boss Fights" the chorus tends to sing the name of the "Boss" or Opponent. So, in the song "Survive" the chorus sings Polythemus's name in the background broken up like "Po-ly-the-mus" (but pronounced more latin-y like "Pah-lee-theh-moose") if you want to go back and hear it. I recommend keeping an ear out for it in upcoming songs as well.

[@Zuzu1684]

No you're correct. The first time I watched their animation I thought I was being SEDUCEDD🤣🤣

[@TheOriginalItsCake]

When you get to the Circe saga, please react to Gigi's puppeteer, Scilla Nimation's Wouldn't you like, AnniFlama's Done for, and Juu's There are other ways. Since the Circe saga is new, these are the best, and mostly only ones with the full album song

[@gachazally8914]

17:01 "Let me go find wind daddy!" It made me chuckle at the fact the Wind God is voiced by a female

[@disableddragonborn]

The singer is, at least. Aeolus in actual Greek lore is male.

[@gachazally8914]

​@@disableddragonborn ohhh, mind my words then lol

[@rhianbeam1766]

"What do you mean???" -average EPIC experience

[@Fishyfish120]

Gigi’s animation for Puppeteer portrays the story very well and is overall the best animation (and i think only animation on this song..) i’ve seen

[@DreadKing2028]

The background singers in ruthlessness are actually the laistragonians(giants) that were on the island that Odysseus and the crew were sent to

[@MildlyPerturbed]

Oh wow I didn’t know that! Makes more sense the crew singing about their own demise! Thank you!

[@alisond929]

Or just Poseidon f-ing around with Odysseus’ mind. Bc gods can do pretty much anything the wish to

[@Tacticslion]

24:10 - I know why you might not like what Odysseus was saying, but... as a captain, he's absolutely 100% correct. Eurylochus was creating doubt, confusion, and fear in the crew. Had ol' Eury just pulled him aside and spoken with him in private? I think it would have gone over much, much better. But instead, he took Ody to task in public and, worse, in front of the crew, and Ody had to nip that immediately, or else a mutiny could ensue. And while Ody *had* made mistakes, they were honestly comparatively few, and his points were very solid: he led 600 dudes to war, and only a few died... but only *after* the war, and exclusively to a monster they didn't know about and couldn't understand in advance. And while Ody *has* made mistakes (rejecting/abandoning Athena, losing a few people to the cyclops, telling the cyclops his name^, and trusting the Lotus Eaters about the cave, those mistakes are over-all extremely minor, especially from the perspective of what the crew have seen. From what they've seen, Ody: stumbled into a lotus-infested island, navigated the weird people there, lost a few people to a weird monster, but also acquired food for every man on the ship, and successfully led them without losing anyone in a ten-year war that he had personally allowed them to have victory in. He, personally, successfully fed (nearly) six hundred men without raiding a city, and only losing a few people to a weird monster no one could have predicted. {note: in the original Odyssey, he'd had to actively rescue his crew from the lotus they'd become addicted to as well; he physically shoved them back onto the boat, if I recall.} Effectively, his mistakes were minor, and while Eury has a *tad* more insight, he's basically undermining the captain for nothing. We can grasp the depths of Ody's mistakes, but the crew really haven't seen it, yet. And, heck, he even led them to successfully latch onto a literal floating island. So that's cool... and weird. And it's the weird part that's freaking out the crew. ^ It isn't clear how (though it's hinted at; I won't spoil how, at present, but there are musical cues hidden in The Storm) that revealing his name to the cyclops was foolish.

[@Tacticslion]

Anyway, I lost my point somewhere in all of that, but the captain has to be obeyed - if he is not, especially on the sea, especially in boats with their technology, people die. Eury's undermining him is bad and could get everyone killed! (Even though he makes some good points, too.)

[@shadowcreature5732]

Ooh this is such a good interpretation! I think I've mostly felt the same since i felt listened to the song but didn't know how to explain it properly lol Also regarding ur point abt how in the og odyssey, i think Jorge actually mentioned there was a cut song abt Elpenor (one of the crew) arguing with Ody on whether to leave his friend, Perimedes, on the island after he ate lotus, since he was depressed anyway. I thought it was pretty cool how he was so similar to Athena, not showing compassion at all and keeping his men in line for the sake of his mission/purpose (going back home to penelope and telemachus). I suppose it was cut out to make his character arc hit harder but oh well. I wanna hc it bc it makes Perimedes's actions/lines hit harder in the thunder saga

[@Tacticslion]

@@shadowcreature5732 You're right - that is a cut song.

[@officialmortius]

Mason is actually already done editing the next part, so Keep Your Friends Close/Ruthlessness is up already for as low as the $3 tier if you just can’t wait! www.patreon.com/posts/101243114 Otherwise, I’ll see you all next week for the premiere of Ocean Saga Part 2, followed immediately by my collaborative vocal project! Thanks as always for your support!!

[@LittleTehri]

Eurylochus is very much a voice of reason in a mad story, and it's pretty heartbreaking to look at everything that happens and knowing that they could have gotten out of a lot of trouble if Odysseus had just... you know... listened to him. Taken his advice to heart, instead of basically saying "I hear you, but I'm doing the thing, and stop being so negative, you're making me look bad" (and yes, I am exaggerating a bit here). But point is, that drawing of Eurylochus at the end of the "Storm" animatic with "this mf", that is possibly the most accurate portrayal of what's probably going on in his head :'D

[@crescentfeather7]

4:33 😏 (knows trumpets are Poseidon's instrument)

[@crescentfeather7]

THE JAW DROP. ME TOO

[@crescentfeather7]

5:36 We do 😔

[@crescentfeather7]

19:52 IT'S THE YAOI ART STYLE I'VE BEEN SAYINGGGGGG

[@crescentfeather7]

22:31 WHEEZE. YEAH! YEAH!!!!!

[@crescentfeather7]

I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING WHY DID THEY DRAW THEM LIKE THAT!!!!!! GIRL!!!!!

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

I didn't think of it when I first heard this video but you may be letting the fact you know things will go bad cloud your perception here. Surviving a *decade* of war without a single casualty is absolutely not nothing. The cyclops waa one bad experience in a sea of successes or at worst draws. It's not enough to be openly questioning him in front of the crew.

[@emmachmelyk2918]

"The storm is not your final fight, buddy." Yeah, but it was supposed to be. They were so close to ithaca when they released the storm from the bag. Like, they could see ithaca. It was literally in sight. Which makes me really sad. I honestly dont blame Ody for all the shit that happened after

[@VivaLahope]

Mortius: “am I the only one who sees this and thinks it’s like wooh? 😍😳” Eurlychous (sorry for the spelling) next line: “You’re like the brother I could never do without!”

[@BeastofMyself]

When humans sing their backing vocals are the crew in this case for luck runs out

[@falperio05]

I couldn't watch the premiere, but i agree, i laugh everytime odyseys says "this is our final fight" thinking they Will go home next thing xd

[@SayukiSuzukiMizuno]

Oh, funfact! Wind god's island is an island in the sky only because Jay didn't know what "floating island" is! (real fact, he said so himself :'D)

[@salswisteria]

Love how he noticed the trumpets right off the bat considering the trumpet is Poseidon main instrument motif

[@andrewchilds8886]

The story of luck runs out is a lot more tense. In this song, eury sets the stage for a mutiny. He undercuts Odysseus. Not just his captain but also his king. They may be brothers in law but this is directly undercutting him in front of his crew despite being his second in command. And he is getting people on his side. The only problem so far has been them running low on food and few times and the Cyclopes killing a few of them primarily the glasses guy (can’t remember his name) because he was the primary heart of the crew.

[@30092nana]

12:54 Im not sure if you’ll see this as it’s been a bit since this was uploaded or if you already learned this, in a Tiktok Jorge showed off how he makes the chorus chants by using a website that depending on the words/vowels/constants you put in has a whole chorus like sound replicated when you can afford a big chorus. It’s how he did the chants at the beginning of Survive say “Polyphemus” and later with Ruthlessness at the beginning

[@AlysIThink101]

I'd highly suggest that when you get to Ruthlessness you watch either Anniflamma's or Gigi's animatic, and when you get to Puppeteer you watch Gigi's animatic (That will probably also include any more animatics she releases for the Circe saga by the time you get to it.)

[@crystalkatsuka]

Odysseus went from one mommy to another 😂

[@princefarron5484]

You have a great ear, my friend. Without spoiling, the 'musical queue' around 8:16 you picked up on does have a name in the show. It is called "the danger theme". Those particular series of notes appear anytime characters are in direct danger and change instruments constantly. It has and will probably continue to appear throughout the show. It gives us the audience info that characters may not have. For example, it is noticeably missing from the lotus eaters and Full Speed ahead. Keep an ear out for it because I am still noticing it in new places I didn't before. Try to find how many times it shows up previously and slight spoiler..... Ruthless has probably the most unique use of it.

[@ParadyceLife]

Great reaction! Not sure if you've already recorded your next reaction, but if you haven't yet I really recommend AnniFlamma's Ruthlessness animatic. It's definitely my favorite one and the way they portray Poseidon is * *chef's kiss* * - plus it has captions, which is very helpful in certain parts

[@eldawhatever]

11:02 Oh yes, The WHAT?! Saga

[@autumn2045]

Fun fact! The reason why trumpets haven’t been used much is cuz they’re Poseidon’s instrument, and he hasn’t been part of the story till this point. Bonus related fun fact, Odysseus’s instrument is a type of guitar (I think nylon guitar??) and when there’s electric guitar, that when Odysseus is “becoming the monster”

[@richio7988]

eurylochus is supposed to be a representation of the voice of the crew I think,so the backing vocals is supposed to represent that he is telling oddyseus an opinion shared by the rest

[@drayiskewl]

Every animatic artist, including in the sagas to come: Odysseus has wild chemistry with every single person, Polites, Eurylochus, Circe, Hermes, the whole lot!... yes hes happily married i promise

[@Stardipped_Paws]

"Never once has he cheated on his wife" yeah but the animators definitely didn't take their artistic liberties lightly-

[@karnege101]

they lost like 20 guys tops to the cyclops. not really a ruin for the fleet.

[@jlablue3401]

It's confirmed in one of the upcoming songs that he lost 7 men to the cyclops.

[@MildlyPerturbed]

Ximena Natzel has some great animatics for the Circe Saga! Such as for Puppeteer and Wouldn’t you like! However, Gigi is also releasing an animatic for Puppeteer later tonight!

[@rexanderson4585]

He remember eurekais's name so he doesn't have to think about polities

[@omarsalem1219]

Hey when you get to the circe saga instead of animatics because not all of them are that great for reaction videos you can watch the video jay made it contains live action clips of the actors, descriptions of what's happening and a pretty cool animatic jay commisioned mircsy to do for the fight scene that happens

[@DrakeDragonton]

Well, it’s just the fact that it hasn’t been out for very long, so there aren’t as many animatics to choose from

[@JeminaMonnie24601]

Yes I second this! And Jay put some clips and animation in it as well

[@AddyzilynRules]

Maybe wait? Or rewatch when animatics come out?

[@Al_-cf1dj]

Most that I've seen are pretty amazing and Jorge doesn't have nearly enough acting clips to cover the songs. It'd be incredibly complicated to do that instead of just pick an animatic, especially considering that there are actively more coming out they just take work to do lol The commissioned fight I agree with though

[@saddlebag]

Gigi has an animatic coming out today for the first song in that saga.

[@marveludus]

The fast parts of Storm always make me think of the urgency, of the hurried but precise movements of the crew as they prepare to brace the storm. Especially in their times, any wrong move would mean certain doom, and they have to be quick

[@keyjerant7917]

The melody you're recognizing.... has to do with ruthlessness, since you already know that song makes sense that it seems familiar.

[@salswisteria]

21:41 for that, Eurlychous is very often always accompanied by voices of the crew because of his title of vice captain and it shows his closeness with the crew compaired to Odysseus despite him being the actual captain

[@Marta-xo4dz]

The Back vocals whenever Eurylochus sings is he's " instrument " because all the characters have one. Example Odysseuss is guitar(Electric)

[@BrittanyArtPoetry]

When you eventually get to it could I recommend Gigi’s animatic for ‘puppeteer’ during the Circe saga

[@oliyuprimizhu1326]

Just wanted to say I'm new to the fandom and just found your channel and reactions and it adds so much to my enjoyment of the songs and animatic like omg!!! Also, you might've already seen it, but for Luck Runs Out, there's this animatic I'm a little obsessed with right now by Crashite that I think is really neat. If you haven't seen it already, it's really worth checking out:))

[@deamoninyourdreams7612]

If this is the reactions to Athena, Eurylochus and "the wind god", I can't wait for the Circe saga 😂 PS: Once you get to the Circe saga, I highly reccomend the youtuber "gigi" for the song Pupeteer, I'm in love with the artstyle. It just came out today

[@itsfayeiguess]

5:34 As a nonbinary audio-processing problems girlie I got you lol.

[@officialmortius]

🫡

[@nadavkrause4418]

The trampet is posidons instrument

[@Godzilla-bj2bb]

16:57 what he said is so funny

[@starielyt]

20:00 Yup total love between those two, probs get together in the future, who knows (btw the Odyssey is my life so yes i do know what happens before someone 'um achshally's me)

[@Anne-nk7xt]

Your reactions are just so priceless that I'm rewatching them for the third time.One thing I noticed on the chorus of Storm is that not only does the rythm mimics violent waves (as you said), the instrumental mimics thunders. It was such an interesting choice Jay made!

[@midnightmoon7257]

It's not technically next but ima just make a suggestion, whenever you do an animatic for puppeteer, Gigi and ximena's just dropped and they're super pretty, i have a hard time picking now that I've seen both Also because of one song that was cut (your light) alot of people actually look at Odysseus and Polites and have the "history will say they were roommates" reaction xD

[@felicitymcdonald24]

Don't apologise for anything, Mortius! This reaction was hilarious and super entertaining and I loved every moment of it! (Also I watched these two videos yesterday and had a lot of the same reactions as you, including feeling like I got bait-and-switched at the end of Luck Runs Out!) Also Odysseus is basically just Alexander Hamilton from a different era

[@indigo-creates-chaos]

Yooo wait this is the first time that i noticed the danger is near motive in storm! Thats so cool! (The danger is near motive is that melody that you pointed out, according to Jay it can be found in other songs as well, the one song where i know its incorporated is the beginning of ruthlessness)

[@PolitesStan]

I audibly hissed with excitement when I saw this was uploaded

[@MoiraMcGill]

Fun fact: in the Odssey, it's a floating island. Jorge mistook that as a floating-in-the-sky-island instead of the floating-not-connected-to-the-ocean-floor-island it was suppose to be xD Edit: Also, it's not just you xD that Luck Runs Out animatic was quite homoerotic lol

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

You will really enjoy Jorge's self analysis videos to explain all of the musical decisions he made.

[@superiortoyouall.]

I can't wait for keep your friend close, it's one of my favs

[@officialmortius]

Honestly, my #1 favorite song in the whole musical currently

[@last2nkow]

i think the harpoons were to anchor the ships to the floating islands so they have a safe harbour in the storm btw

[@soarinknightstudios]

So not sure if anyone has mentioned this but BTS fact from Jorge(he does fun BTS vids for the music which is awesome). He uses the trumpet specifically for Poseidon. When you hear them it’s Poseidon flexing his God powers. Which was super fun and terrifying when you hear them at the beginning of Storm since Poseidon is the one who sent the storm towards Odysseus and his men.

[@alanplays2881]

The animation is very flamboyant

[@yureiendler2280]

I'm EXCITED for him to hear the song keep your friends close 😭😭 (hugs from Brazil)

[@BrittanyArtPoetry]

‘And history will say they are roommates’ Have you by chance seen ‘history hates lovers’ by Oublair?

[@missvnuna3623]

PLEASE do the AnniFlamma animatic for Ruthlessness for KZbin. It's one of my favourite animatics for Epic. I would really love to see you reacting to this one.

[@caraombd]

you have to watch gigi's animatics for the next two songs im BEGGING

[@officialmortius]

I did Gigi for KYFC, and then I did Aniflamma for Ruthlessness, BUT I did Gigi’s Ruthlessness as well as a Patreon exclusive :)