Offroad Recovery Gear - What's an X-Lock Part 2

After the last offroad recovery gear video exploded with views, and questions, I wanted to address some of those in this video particular to the Safe Xtract X-Lock.
There was a bunch of comments about adding mass to the line, adding things to hurl back at you when the line breaks, and why don't you just use a pulley block instead. All decent points, but you NEED TO STAY IN YOUR WORKING LOAD LIMITS of your gear.
This video demonstrates a 1:1 pull of the jeep hypothetically "framed out in snow" where I only need 10,000 pounds of pulling force to winch through a long snow drift. So I rig up a straight line pull, and then re-rig a continued straight line pull to get the winch back onto the last wrap where it's rated for 10,000 pounds.
If you have any more questions on this device, let me know! Seriously I'll try to answer them.
Until next time! See ya!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

i was calling the shackle a "bow pin shackle" for some reason today which is wrong of course. It's a screw pin bow shackle lol! have no idea why I did that over and over, but I did.

[@yjjeeper1]

Just curious about your tire size/lift?

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Right now its a Mopar 2 inch lift but I'm looking at changing that out. Tires are 35s.

[@yjjeeper1]

@@JustinKingOffroad it's amazing to me how little lift JL's need to comfortably fit 35+ tires. I just finished putting in long arms and going from 6 to 7 inch so I can get 35's on my wife's ZJ for her without losing flex. My old Yj's a different story, but still. I love your wheels and ran those tires on my Yj for a while, really liked them. Your Jeep looks fantastic, take care of her.

[@jakemesa3211]

Always called it a clevis hook myself.

[@danlux4954]

Just shackle will do.

[@funkerlug]

I’ve got an X-Lock. It’s an incredible tool for professional recovery applications. When used properly, it’s breaking strength exceeds many other recovery items, making it an incredible piece of kit. It’s got many uses and can be an invaluable tool when you’re in an unusual situation. I’ve been asked several times “what’s that thing”, “why do you have that” or the like...and once people see its specific purpose, it often makes more sense to them. Most folks are extremely familiar with traditional recovery methods. This is simply a new tool for the advanced recovery toolbox, and is unfamiliar to many. It never hurts to think out of the box, and sometimes doing so can save the day. Well done Justin!

[@FlyFish402]

I don't even have a winch and these are fun to watch and learn from.

[@Steven-gv1ke]

🤦

[@swfblacksheep703]

I thought I was the only one...lol

[@obfuscated3090]

The videos are at least as valuable without a winch because any vehicle can exert pull. That's why I keep gear in all my trucks. BTW a truck can drive much faster than any conventional winch can spool. I use that advantage with long wire and synthetic ropes to preload then control tree falls by pulling them all the way down with my trucks, and between snatch blocks and sufficient length I'm nowhere near the tree when it drops. I also drag scrap vehicles and while I have some very nice industrial Ramsey winches it's usually faster to pull by vehicle.

[@TheBlackmunch]

A very good demonstration of the mechanics involved in correct winching practices. Well done Justin 👍

[@JustinKingOffroad]

thanks!

[@timeorspace]

Years ago I assembled rigging to pull stumps out of my yard, and was attracted to using dyneema winch line, but diverted due to a lack of slack tending with dyneema lines....this Lock opens my perspective to many more winching options! Thanks for demonstrating!

[@gregparrott]

Thanks for clearly describing the use of X-Lock. This is the first time I've seen its use demonstrated

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Glad it was helpful! a very handy piece of equipment to have in the bag!

[@edwardsabo8368]

Justin thanks for all of your tips. Been 4 wheeling since I was 16 and I’m 48 now still going strong keep up the great work. Don’t let the “experts” get you down.

[@chickenrules1043]

I know nothing about shackling and towing - yet I could follow and understand all of it! - Great vid mate, very well narrated keep it up!

[@raldogtm]

That’s pretty cool! It’s like a Scarb rescue tool, we used that a lot for rope rescue. I can see why people get confused on how they work, I think if I didn’t have an understanding of how rope rigging, I’d be confuse too. I bet I can use that X lock for repelling too since it’s load rated! 👍

[@09vanjes]

Love my scarab, super easy and skookum as hell

[@jeepnhusa]

​@@09vanjes any chance ' skookum as.....' is an AvE reference...?

[@mikerayle6103]

Just got my first winch for our polaris ranger. I've put off going out on a good part of our property because it's soft and swampy in spots. And if I get stuck I have nobody to pull me out. A normal vehicle will end up in a worse position. I'm trying to verse myself on what equipment I might need. This was informative. Thank you.

[@jw6422]

Great info. Great to see actual technique and product use. Honestly, I didn't know that X-lock was out there. Looks like another tool to go into the recovery gear box. Safe-Xtract even has clear directions on how to setup also. Learn something new every day. Thanks.

[@StretchingOut]

You are correct on soft sling Justin. The Falcon 55 destruction tests, which can now be viewed online haters, actually proved your statement on proper knot placement. Nice explanation video.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Yep

[@petejoy6328]

Thanks Justin! When I saw you use it on a recovery , I wasn’t quite sure why. Now I get it! This will make a great addition to my kit in my JK! Thanks for taking the time!!

[@badgerpa9]

Very detailed explanation, sad that too many still will not understand it, not to be mean just a fact. My only comment would be the shackle at the tree with a rope should have a centering spindle to keep the pull centered on the pin. I do not have spindles for my shackles either but I know I should. I hope you ignore the chaff you get from trying to educate people, most that learn from you will not comment and too many that do not really have a clue will comment because they need to complain. Stay safe, have fun Justin

[@petermiddo]

I am also going to extend a massive thank you. I have been watching your videos only a little while (but have been four wheeling and training for an extended period) and they have made my extended recoveries much simpler and probably a lot, lot safer. I've also been watching a US Towie named Ron Pratt and his Midwest Truck recovery videos. Also, I had the wreck of a car removed (long, painful story) here on the weekend and the tow truck driver was seriously the work experience guy. He had NFI (No Idea. The F is said silently) literally none. I got my 4wd and winch out, moved the car into a spot were he couldn't fail, but somehow I had to end up doing THE LOT. It was embarrassing for the guy. So, THANK YOU. You would be welcome around my campfire at any time, mate!

[@pete9503]

Great video - I have a 12 ton Champion winch for a seasonal use rear hitch pull on my snow plow truck. The problem with a cheap winch (Champion or harbor freight) is that line pile up on a sideways retrieve will pile up and easily break the housing once it exceeds the diameter of the full spool. I need to minimize the retrieve line stacking diameter to avoid a major winch break down (broken housing). This tool will do it by putting most of the line off the spool. I am going to buy one. The housing repair parts were only $30 and about an hour of repair time, but having a broken winch when you have to pull yourself out backwards is a major inconvenience. I rebuilt my neighbor’s harbor freight winch front mounted winch for the same breakdown. Thank you.

[@lory2622]

Too funny. Folks thought the rope was sliding through the x-block during a pull!!?! If that were the case I’d be more worried about starting a fire with it becoming red hot. Thanks Justin. We all learn this stuff but it’s always nice to see it “boiled down” to it’s most base level.

[@shaunadams3170]

And keep doing what you do. You've had hours and hours of training, on-scene training and talk with now what is a trained eye and hand for the situation (scene). I'm a small town volunteer and we are working on growing our equipment and training. So I know what it takes to just be available to find the time to put in.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

i got invited to another training on October 4th, and this time the maker of this X-lock will be there! it's going to be awesome!

[@shaunadams3170]

@@JustinKingOffroad you've got me very interested in their products. It should be awesome.

[@marioprzepiora]

Great explanation. 1 point of improvement. If you put the looped end in first, you can place the single line thru exactly where you need it and minimize or eliminate the sliding that you've been doing in the last 3 or 4 videos.

[@andrewbrenneman9592]

Awesome Justin. I watched the first episode and was confused. This video EXPLAINS it better and now I understand the use better.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

yeah the first one was pretty fast and didn't really explain anything in detail, just showed it's use in a quick config.

[@JPWarrior02]

This video was enough for me to buy a X-loc. Works great and keeps my recovery gear weight down in my SXS.

[@mr.obscurity8917]

Thanks for the video. I had never seen an X-Lock for winching. Very similar to a climbers figure 8, in a lot of ways. I'll keep my eyes open for one. And once I get rope winch line, I may actually get to use it. 🙂

[@offroadersunlimited2952]

I learned this concept which is totally novel for me. We do use winching for recovery. But had never considered these factors. And video was well made. Thanks for the effort. ❤

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Thank you!!

[@kenmuggli4613]

TU Justin, I appreciate your effort in making this video. I am going to add an X-Lock to my recovery kit. I operate an RZR SXS.

[@Zraupp10]

you are the ONLY person on youtube that say that "you lose 10% for each layer of winch line" Every i see on youtube they only use what the need, you are the only one that uses ALL of your winch line .....

[@JustinKingOffroad]

you don't always need "all" of the line, but in my imaginary demo of being framed out in snow, we did today.

[@Zraupp10]

@@JustinKingOffroad but your still the only person that says you lose 10% of the winch capacity each wrap around the drum

[@JustinKingOffroad]

well that's a fact jack lol!

[@vanntasiam155jbl2]

It is FACT.... but... hypothetical using easy numbers I have a 3 ton truck, a 6 ton Winch. With a snatch block I can pull 12 ton... with your toy I can still only pull 6 ton.

[@jonschneck4559]

@@Zraupp10 if you read the winch manufactures instructions it says so, my smittybuilt has the actual line pull for each layer on the winch, I guess Justin is one of the few on youtube who actually read the instructions

[@fyredyver]

I was trying to figure out how to shorten extension lines; you’ve readily answered my question! I’m trained in rope rescues and have some very distant commercial heavy recovery experience but couldn’t figure out how to do what you easily demonstrated! We use prussiks and secondary lines & anchors but I don’t think those techniques are viable with these lines and equipment. Thanks for two very clear and understandable videos on the topic!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

woo hoo!! glad this helped. i had plans to make a 3rd version of this video with I4WDTA certified trainers and we were put on hold due to a corona virus exposure. hopefully we can do that soon...

[@brunoterlingen2203]

Use of a "sheep-shank" will shorten any line.

[@13Voodoobilly69]

@@brunoterlingen2203 I was sitting here wondering the same thing. I am no high end expert on knots but it seems that a sheep shank would serve the same function.

[@smitty_1]

Ive used a small log( green 2 to 3 ich x 1 foot or so) in the same concept. Spiral wrap the main line and use the slack loop around the main and over the jeeps end and then do the same on the anchor end of the log. Bungee half of a tarp around it leaving the other half loose as a wind drag in case s$#/ lets loose. Good vid. Thanks stay safe!!

[@rodneybrowning8358]

Great explanation of the use and how it works. I like the xlock. And if people had paid attention in physics you would not have had to explain so much. I'm on 5th jeep and live in Montana for 33 years. Seen alot of crap by people who know better. Lol very well done

[@johngibson4980]

Thanks for the second video but I went and added an x-lock to my recovery after the first video. It is a wonderful piece to add to your recovery here in colorado.

[@jimt125]

Great explanation of x block( take I got up slack to you getting all available pull from winch) you and team are safe , methodical recovery team. Very impressed👍🏻🇺🇸

[@russellwood8750]

Thank you for taking the time to make these videos much appreciate it I’m learning a lot.

[@patmason7276]

My friend use to be in vehicle recovery learned alot about this stuff. Great video

[@randallbrusher503]

That's a really nifty piece of gear, thank you for sharing.

[@andrewbrenneman9592]

The only winch I have is on my tiltbed trailer. But I use steel cable. I don't have enough experience with rope and I don't use the winch on a regular basis. Watching your recovery vids, takes some guts driving the GOAT TRAILS you do recoveries on. Great vids. Thank you for this vid.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

steel on a trailer is probably just fine cause the loads are very small. synthetic rope is stronger (at smaller diameters) and much safer to work with. if you do ever get a winch on a vehicle, highly recommend rope over steel just from the ease of working with it (and safety).

[@peterfalkner390]

Justin - I bought this right after seeing part 1. Great bit of kit! Hope not to have to use it too often but really happy to have it in my kit. Would be great to see a demo of the manual belay. Part 3?! Thanks for sharing.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

i like your thinking!! i'll need a helper for part 3. i'm sure i can find one!

[@DGB.]

@@JustinKingOffroad I'd be happy to help. Seriously. And, I'm local to you.

[@slateslavens]

Thanks for the video. This clears up a lot of questions. I don't yet have a winch, but I'm trying to line out what accessories I want to pick up with the initial purchase. My rig is a light weight, stretched 48 Willys CJ2A. I know that I don't need a _lot_ of winch to recover myself, but my wife has a 2000 Discovery II. I need to equip the jeep to be able to recovery a vehicle that weighs as much as (or a bit more than) twice what mine does. Current setup is a 1948 Willys CJ2A stretched 24" from the dealership in Spokane Wa. in 1948. Powertrain is stock 48 with the exception of a '67 Dauntless 225 V6 and a '67 offset narrow-track Dana 44 rear on stock 5:38 gears. Tires are 235/85R-16s on stock 4.5" rims, Rancho 2.5 inch lift springs for a genuine dump-truck ride (OMFG I hate it. Wish I had OME springs) . With the stretch and oversize tires (to maintain breakover angle) the turning radius is about as good as a WWII aircraft carrier. I'm thinking about fabbing either individually lockable rear brakes for 'pivot steering' or low-budget rear steering.

[@Crumb_Trails]

I like that. That link opens up a lot of possibilities

[@donburns699]

Thank you that was very helpful what I got out of it was your winch when it out at 100 foot only has so much pull in so when you put one of them shackles on it you strengthen your pole I’m new at this song watching a lot of videos

[@gregvause1380]

Hum I got it the first video, but you the Man for explaining it again for others, Thank You

[@brianhoefer7148]

Brilliant! Effectively making an anchor rope variable length. A 300 foot long anchor rope can theoretically be reduced to 100 feet over multiple pulls using the same rope and winch line without ever having to disconnect. Just relocate the X-Lock between pulls..

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Bingo!

[@seankearney6915]

Nice instructional video. Not seen one of those before. A stake in the ground would have proved to the doubters that the x thing didn't move. Only observation I have from both of your videos is I find I get a better grip on the Leatherman type tool if i don't open the pliers and just put the points in the eye of the shackle. I do lever in the same direction just so I am not bending the tool sideways. If really stuck I have put a smaller shackle in the eye and a bar in the smaller shackle. Even without a winch these would be good to have for any use where the ability to shorten the rope quickly and easily is an advantage.

[@oldmanbuild]

No questions just thanks for the video. Keep up the information that helps us all.

[@4n461]

Don't let the internet keyboard warriors get to you. You explained this the same way my I4WDTA instructor explained it in a winch class I took several years ago. I'll take I4WDTA information over internet keyboard warriors any day. And the more subscribers you get the more keyboard experts you get....it's the KZbin way.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! so true. so very very true!

[@rhondakendrick2563]

OPIEON ARE LIKE ASS HOLE EVERYONE GOT ONE AND THEY ALL STINK, I THANK U DID A GOOD JOB

[@jeffdonstuff2004]

I liked the first video, but if some didn't understand that one, I think this video should clear it up for them. Keep up the good work! Oh, I haven't bought one yet, but the X-lock is still on my list.

[@geoacosta1]

im a new guy on your sub, you did a great job showing us how it works. thanks I'm a subscriber now.

[@jameskiesau7543]

Justin, you did a great job!!! Good clean demo, nice tone, CLEAR WORDING, good video. I have been a truck restorer in Iowa('67-'72 Chevy/GMC 4x4's) for 35 years, nearly 350 body-off-framers done.Dealt with usage and install of hundred and hundreds of winches mounted EVERYWHERE(except cab roof) LOL. This is a CHEAP and great little device you have. Gonna order one(or two) right now. One thing I saw wrong and one thing only in your vid. Buddy you have to ALWAYS and this is the main take-away of the day use a line suppressor, damper, absorber, whatever ya want to call it. If that winch line ---I don't give a damn if it's made of bamboo strips ever snaps and has a flesh covered object(human or animal) in it's way----it's dead or would hope to be !!!!!!! Saw one accident ---don't want to see another!!!! Thumbs up!!!! Jim

[@JustinKingOffroad]

We have done pretty extensive testing with winch line dampers and they don't do anything. The line still recoils your best bet is to not be anywhere near it.

[@brunoterlingen2203]

@@JustinKingOffroad Years ago I spoke to the actual Dyneema engineer in Holland and there is no need for a dampening device: if the Dyneema rope breaks, it falls to the ground "like a broken woman's stocking" (his words).

[@abuubaydullah1]

Thats an awesome tool to use , saves alot of time of setting up and is so!! safe as well as being compacked and light

[@rickbarmore1167]

What a way to quiet the critics. Awesome repor and sportsmanship. Good 👍Job...

[@laytonb7]

Nice job on the demo of the x lock....I would have put your Jeep on the frame in ruts of the mud bog on green ridge and showed a series of x- lock advantages over a pulley block but that idea literally went up in flames!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

No kidding! Hopefully that area opens up soon. Might have to do it in snow this winter for more demo

[@dennisgeroux4483]

Good video, thanks for showing us the x- lock. This will come in handy.

[@joelrdizon]

Your explanation is exquisite. Done a really good job!

[@glennj6465]

I understood completely its another tool in your box to use 🤔👍🏻🤩🇬🇧 But remember The Experts will always know better 😂 great video Sir 👏🏻👍🏻

[@alankrawczyk9877]

Great video on using the winch and shortening tools.

[@bridgettewildermuth6856]

A wrap is one time around the drum,a lay is all of the wraps across the face of the drum until the next layer

[@JustinKingOffroad]

correct, i realized i was calling each turn in a wrap, but it was each layer of wraps.

[@jvalentine8376]

I can see a definite use for an X-Lock . Thanks for that I did not know about this particular product .

[@kadmow]

Mechanical sheepshank - with a fixed minimum bend radius.

[@jeff503]

Old school rigging

[@sprk11]

You just answered my dilemma . I have an old 7/8 nylon rope 100 foot long I use with my come along for recovery purposes. I want to replace the nylon rope with synthetic rope but not sure on which knots to use. That bow shackle is the answer I am looking for , Thank you.

[@John-xh9cl]

Great information for Fire and Rescue personnel. Good training video. Thx for explaining it so clearly.

[@MrZErorule]

I am amazed thank you another weapon in my recovery arsenal.

[@passiton3801]

Ingenious device for shortening an extension..

[@michaelmurray2592]

Why are people giving you shit about this? It seems to work as described. Great video and I appreciate your expertise on this subject.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

I don't know lol!

[@yjjeeper1]

The world is full of YT "experts" now days, 98.9% haven't had to do complex recoveries and 90% don't even own a 4wheel drive let alone a trail rig. You owe them no explanations imo. My wife and I are Colorado natives and have been running these trails for 20yrs, we've gotten people out of some ridiculous situations. They read the brochure on their newly bank broke Rubicon and think they know, but until you're there you really don't.

[@traditionalarcher5678]

ROFLOL!!! That was an excellent response.

[@Sumitso]

Went through that selling the last couple of 4wds, so many didn't know what lockers did, the difference between high and low on the x-fer case, etc ,etc.

[@yjjeeper1]

@@Sumitso if someone doesn't know what lockers are, they probably shouldn't be anywhere you may need them lol.

[@sebastiaojr4025]

yjjeeper1 o

[@claytonbyers1155]

Great Video. Great explanation of how and why.

[@pabloescobar7802]

People are Gonna say what they will .. I use steel cable line .. I like synthetic but it’s just not durable compared to steel line … I know .. I know it’s gonna break and kill someone and anything is possible .. but using line dampeners and knowing your working load limits mitigates your chances of injury.. I use soft shackles to take as much mass out of the equation that I can … great demonstration and very nice jeep ..

[@JustinKingOffroad]

we do use steel when we need to. and it sounds like you're doing it safely. staying within the operational limits of the gear you have is the best mitigation!!

[@yellowmetaldriver1460]

Good info thanks. Only area where i could see an issue when bending your line over the shackle pin the pressure of the line if touchng the exposed threads could could damage your synthetic line. Those threads are course and tend to be sharp.

[@iisreset]

What in the world.. I never knew a winch lost capacity as it spools to this technique makes perfect sense. Good to know!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

It's like the front sprocket on a 18 speed bike. Taller the gear, harder to turn.

[@iisreset]

@@JustinKingOffroad that makes sense. In my head I didn’t even think about the gear size changing as it spooled. Kinda makes me want to look into 10k for my 2door JL. Don’t have a setup yet.

[@johncrowder4297]

I enjoy ur stuff , I lurn new recovery methods with every video .keep up the good work

[@alaskapowerlineadventures]

Nice, good job. In the powerline industry we would just call that a giant set of slack blocks. Cheers.

[@originalname9999]

Great video, after the last one I figured this was going to be in my tool box once I become a big boy and actually get a winch lol. This video should leave no questions to how and why this works.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

it has more uses too! this is the one I use primarily. maybe part 3 can be a belay of a vehicle with it.

[@jeramiet154]

Smaller drum wraps equals more torque applied to the pull. Much easier than pulleys and blocks and takes up less space.

[@michaelsturtevant7707]

Very informative. Cool tool for synthetic winch rope. Please understand, I'm not trying to be over critical here. But I have a concern on your terminology. I have spent 30 years in the Towing & Recovery Industry. I am a Training Coordinator for a reputable company that specializes in Quick Clearance of Heavy Duty Truck & Tractor Trailer Recoveries. My concern is your use of the term "winch wraps" as it pertains to your rope. In the Towing or Crane & Rigging industries, each revolution of the winch drum is revered to as a "wrap'. Thus the term, "Maintain a minimum of 5 wraps of rope on your winch drum. To ensure that your rope doesn't pull out of its attachment point." What you were referring to as "Wraps" is actually called "Layers". Each time the rope fills the drum & climbs on top of itself, it is called a next "layer." Each time you start a new layer, it is like changing to a taller gear on your mountain bike sprocket. So yes, you are absolutely correct that you will loose effective power with each layer you add. One other thing. As you know. Any rope is has a rated Working Load Limit (WLL) that is far less than the winch rating. For Towing & Recovery, the rope WLL is usually the Rated Break Strength ÷ 3.5 = WLL. So a typical 3/8" wire rope on a light duty wrecker with 8,000 lbs winches has a rated break strength of approximately 14,000 lbs. Or a WLL of 4,000. Therefore, if we are on a first layer pull, we will double our WLL. To stay within the WLL, we will add a "Snatch Block" to reduce the line tension. At 180°(or doubled back to an attachment by the winch) it will reduce the line tension by 50%. Adding a second part to your line will also take more line off of your drum. Therefore, removing layers & increasing your winches effectiveness. I could go on for hours. This is a cool tool to have & can be very effective in the scenario you are describing. Thank you for your time.

[@Mekkiceh]

I've never done off-roading but I understood... It's a tool to artificially shorten the cable while the cable needs to be fully out to reduce the diameter of the drum of the winch, so you can get more torque out of it, without the pain from installing a pulley. Simple and easy. I wouldn't have expected you could loose half of your torque because of the cable around the drum (making the diameter wider). So now all of this makes sens.

[@Mekkiceh]

​@Fred Wills "For that to be true the winch would have zero torque when fully spooled" No, just no... The torque just depend of the diameter (lever arm) of the cylinder the rope is going around (and is none related with how much rope is left to be spooled). Twice the diameter = half the torque, it is as simple as that.

[@tonyhill5418]

Gotta love the You Tube experts, they must spend hours googling things trying to find the GOTCHA!!!! moment.

[@seanmares2406]

No kidding

[@michaelrobbins6694]

Great Job! The first time around made sense! This was crystal clear!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

woo hoo!

[@brianjasinski]

Nice video and it explains it well. I am sure some sort of knot would be able to do the same thing albiet not as tidy. If it wasn't so expensive I would be all in. Gonna have to find that knot to get the job done otherwise.

[@jackham2549]

I'm not trying to argue with you, you clearly know more than me with all this... but if a winch rope minimum bend radius is 1.5x its size (diameter), that would make the pin need to be 3x the rope diameter. For instance it looks like you have a 3/8 winch rope, which is 0.375... 1.5x that is .5625 radius, so the diameter of the pin would be over any inch (not a 7/8in pin that is found on 3/4 shackles) at 1.125 (1-1/8inch pin). Radius is half of diameter. Just wondering if I missed something. I recently found your channel looking into the X-lock and like what I've seen so far

[@JustinKingOffroad]

That bend radius is the overhead lifting requirement, there is a little bit of leeway in recovery rigging.

[@4x2WagonFamily]

Good demo, I’ve never been in that situation but I can see how useful it could be. I carry an extra winch rope but I’ve never considered how I would deal with the extra slack in the line.

[@sukigsxr750]

I don’t 4x4 myself. I do have experience rigging stuff for crane lifts. I don’t know how someone would thing that recovery rope could possibly move during recovery. That x ring is pretty slick.

[@truesimplicity]

A link to the x-lock would be very Helpful

[@palco22]

I don't play this game any more (Getting old) but back in the day (Hunting big game in very rough mountain terrain) we had (Old technology) 16,000 lb winches ran with power take off (Often two 5,500 lb 4X4 pick ups under full loads tied together) What we did was (pullies if the total load was off the charts) 1) the winches had 50 feet of ½" steel cable 2) we carried a 100 foot steel cable, a 50 ft steel cable and two 25 foot steel cables, two 25 foot chains, two 4½" snatch blocs and two or three simple pullies. yes that was a lot of heavy cable to haul around for the "just" in case events but through the years we did have to use some or all of it. In your scenario (straight pull), we would haul out the 100 foot cable with the 50 foot cable and one or both 25 foot cables (Add the 25 foot chains if required) We would pull in 50 ft, remove the 25 foot chains or 25 foot cables hook up the remainder and remove as the cables spooled in. The winch spool had a cable pincher on one side so when the initial 50 foot cable was in we would remove the hook and insert (in the pincher) the remaining cable and that would allow us to continue winching. (I remember using the pincher only once, it was a lot of trouble for little gain and the winch could only recover an additional 60 to 70 feet and then two or three guys had to pull the 100 foot cable off the spool and pry the cable out of the pincher, then slack the ½" cable that was caught among the rest of the cable on the spool but that was a rare event. We rarely used the 100 foot cable. We always managed to pull ourselves out of creeks and beaver flooded roads and often pulling out others stuck to no end. Great times but now I watch great videos like this while sipping my espresso ! Keep it up, it's a lot of fun (to watch that is). Play safe and be safe.

[@ridgerunner106]

It is all fun until somebody fools around and gets stuck.

[@palco22]

@@ridgerunner106 I'll tell ya' when you're with a lot of pick-ups and an assortment of tools and equipment and deep in the back country hundreds of miles from your fellow humans and you find yourself in some predicament......knowhow and your tools will get you out. Fools are not part of the equation !

[@ridgerunner106]

@@palco22 I know, I drove ro Alaska in a 75 highboy pulling a 33' horse trailer full of junk. Sometimes was 1000 miles to town either way. Me and another ole boy. Yes we broke down. Yes we kept going. Yes we crossed the Yukon river. Took us so long that everybody knew who we was when we got there. Maybe we touched some lives. I got much good out of it, from the people I met along the way.

[@palco22]

@@ridgerunner106 Exactly ! Those are the times we bring along with us as we travel life and if you have a couple of old photos (well old today) we hold them dearly because we can no longer relive those days ! Our parents often told us stories of the good old days and more often then not we just shrugged it off and now our pass moments are now our good old days. Our kids now shrug their shoulders ! Today, I still live the rough life a few times a year.........in a travel trailer with complete bathroom, kitchen and a queen size bed, oh and full hook up service ! It's a shame, but what can I say. Now the bones crack and the joints squeak and I fall asleep thinking of those good old days !

[@ridgerunner106]

@@palco22 We have been blessed by attempting the impossible with nothing and surviving to tell the tales.

[@domenicmaiani3795]

Thanks for a great video! I haven't needed to recover a vehicle but I can certainly apply this knowledge (and an X-lock) when gathering/cutting firewood.

[@steveplowman4005]

Very useful info. Thanks for taking the time. Cheers Steve

[@joshuakazfields4374]

Very nice. So many people think they now everything with zero actually experience.

[@shaunadams3170]

And from the looks of it you could use the x-lock to divide the load between to smaller tree or even three depending on the situation. Where I'm from it's clear cuts and smaller trees

[@JustinKingOffroad]

i suppose you could actually! it's all a static line at that point so it won't move.

[@shaunadams3170]

I've pulled trees out of the ground and some were just pulled over pulling others out with a blocked 12000 with tree savers and winch extensions. Thought about getting a Land anchor

[@rustyshakleford5230]

Definitely a nice thing to have for a worst case scenario. 99% of the time nobody would ever need this but that 1% time you get stuck along way from anything you'd be glad you had it. It don't take up any space.

[@leftystrat62]

Thank you for sharing- very helpful. cheers, lefty

[@petermiddo]

That is a sensational video. All of the information was very clear and makes perfect sense. (Only because I can't wrap my head around the loss of power per wrap. Like, I understand the physics and the equations, but it's still not siting. It will come to me - likely at 2am after a solid lubrication session around a campfire - but it's not there yet :) )

[@badgerpa9]

If you understand gears and how larger tires affect power you can think of the drum as a gear getting larger or as each wrap is on it is a larger size tire.

[@petermiddo]

@@badgerpa9 that is a perfect analogy! Thank you!

[@badgerpa9]

@@petermiddo don't tell anyone I was nice usually grumpy growly.

[@kurtjensen7930]

Good demonstration, keep up the videos !!!

[@trigger8152]

Just added this to my recovery kit for my SxS

[@hey_youtubeim_back2159]

I designed a dual spool winch that would eliminate the need for any of this rigging. First spool has three wraps second spool winds the line. Downside was difficult to freespool and the size was a bit larger than most would want to deal with.

[@markstambaugh3273]

When I was a kid living on a farm we had a WWII surplus monster hand winch that my dad said would pull a house off of its foundation. I will never forget using it to pull a massive dump truck out of a swamp.

[@randyott2413]

Check out the "Wyeth Scott More Power Puller".the company startd making them in 1934. Im pretty sure this is what you are referring to. I own one.

[@markstambaugh3273]

@@randyott2413 Randy I did look at them. Tks. Ours had an enclosed gear box that used a 6' chain the size of your forearm which ran into the front and out the back of the enclosed box. As I recall it took about 10 minutes to move the chain the full extension of 6'. There were no cables involved.

[@samsien9105]

you have all equipment to use is right, but if you don't have tree or rock around to hook the line to pull the car out mud or snow, what equipment you needs to whole the line to winch the car? did you think a bout the Anchor or pole drive? in this v d o you have the tree to hook the line . I care anchor home made and the drive pole + hand winch + ropes with me while I think I'm off the road alone .

[@sciflyer67]

Great video and info! Thanks for your time on this.

[@hash_slinging_slasher7765]

if our ever in a bind and don't have a enough space even to just use your strap fully extended you can basket your strap and make it shorter to. also a strap in a basket configuration around a tree with ends meeting a shackle around sturdy enough object works amazingly well to

[@truesimplicity]

Crystal clear well done...

[@hugosstudiosdenver]

Great explanation ! Thanks for tips on the X block ! Thanks for sharing !

[@dederonair]

great video, love all the info as I piece together items for a gear kit!

[@akbychoice]

Very well demonstrated and explained.

[@Achisachis73]

Good video man. You basically have a way to shorten the line to any custom length.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

Exactly!

[@simplemanduke7128]

It's amazing how many people don't understand basic physics of D/d. Wraps on a drum and motor efficiency..

[@fwsch5375]

After watching you last Video I shorten my Winch Cable from 90 to 50 feet... I so hate dealing with 90ft of Rope on the Spool... Made total sense regarding Winch Load, and 90% of the time I’m pulling myself off a Rock five feet😳... I then bought 50 feet of Winch Extension Cable to use when needed 👍 ... I’m having a tough time finding the X Lock ... Thoughts 🤔

[@JustinKingOffroad]

www.asroffroad.com/sx-20000h-x-lock-20-000-lb-wll/