The Yankum Ropes XL winch ring caused some CONTROVERSY 😲

[@CaseyLaDelle]

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[@CaseyLaDelle]

There are some teachers who are incredibly knowledgeable about the subject they specialize in, there are some who are just reading one chapter ahead of the class, and there are others who are reading out of the wrong book 😂 Also, I would like to point out that this ring was designed BEFORE gator boy started running his mouth. So no, nothing was changed because of his blabbering, no matter how hard he tries to take credit for it

[@MyFriendlyPup]

Casey if THIS is the most controversial thing you can say in 2023 then you're being a moral coward. Pick a topic. Look around Babylon. You can surely, surely pick a topic more needed and controversial.

[@John-uo1qf]

Curious what the actual loads were on all components used in this demonstration.

[@cunever]

Highly specialised experts are basically idiots on anything else and wisely don’t talk about things they know little to nothing about. And then there are just plain idiots who talk about things they know little to nothing about, trying to make people believe they’re experts. As much as I really liked the demonstration of all the technical aspects, I wished you would have refrained from engaging with idiots. Towing is a real thing in the real world with real physics and real aspects of thermodynamics, idiots on the net are just bits and bytes.

[@thomasr4378]

Impressive moved semi 30 feet from our view Oh yeah loaded with all the heavy tools on truck

[@dangerrangerlstc]

And there are some others who are sleeping in the back and blurting out answers when they wake up because the teacher is calling on them.

[@davidconaway2830]

I'd like to thank the loudmouth "experts" who make fools of themselves by attacking other experienced professionals. These knuckleheads do two things for us; 1) it proves to us how insecure they truly are and 2) it prompts the real experts to make videos which prove them wrong and secondarily, provides the rest of us with an "in the weeds" explanation of your methods and reasoning. Thanks for keeping it real!

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

Absolutely agree, and it's the only way we can have a public platform. Never censor. Prove your case.

[@IR-nq4qv]

Real experts will never put out the claim that they are experts. Claiming to be an expert leaves that person always open to one mistake away from being an idiot and a total failure. Even NASA and SpaceX get it wrong every once in a while. Anyone can be an expert keyboard googler wannabe but in a real world practical sense, they don't know sheep shit from good wood varnish

[@wesman7837]

@outlawbillionairez9780 Yup, unlike the "fact checkers" and MSM propaganda machine, that is the actual source of misinformation! I found out their name for what they are doing, it's called Firehose_of_falsehood. Please Google it, and someone who can should edit it because they blocked me, and I don't know why because I have NEVER tried to in my life!

[@nodttiurp]

Who are the knuckleheads that you guys are talking about?

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

@@nodttiurp There's a channel that pops up whose only content is szhitting on a popular channel I follow. KZbin algorithm sees the two channels as being similar or connected because of the name, so it suggests the crap channel, which has a fair amount of views. Some of them make good money hanging on real content creators coattails.

[@chrisdaniel1339]

I enjoy seeing you call out other people's bullsh*t using real world tests, undisputable facts, and science. Great job!!!

[@Bruce-ks7md]

YEA, what he said!

[@possessedllama]

I don't know why I watch videos like this. I'm unlikely to ever tow or recover anything in my life, but I enjoy your content.

[@patb7843]

Knowledge is a good thing, you never know when something you have learned will come in handy.

[@IR-nq4qv]

These days I'm reserved to towing a cart behind the lawn mower and sometimes if I'm lucky, I can recover the TV remote from the wife's death grip if she's asleep.

[@dotar9586]

@@IR-nq4qv Do not! Repeat, DO NOT use synthetic line during that recovery! 🤣

[@carolinenunez3455]

And I barely even know what a lug wrench is, and I still enjoy watching this stuff! It’s his integrity and sense of fun that keeps me coming back.

[@possessedllama]

@@carolinenunez3455 Yeah, I think that's it for me too!

[@ScottsGEN-XAdventures]

Don’t ever change how you deliver your content. It is what hooked me and keeps me interested.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

He's good at hooking. 😊

[@Bruce-ks7md]

YEA, what he said!

[@kensherwin4544]

Breaking stuff on purpose is just an absolute ton of fun, isn't it. It's more fun when you run the risk of learning something and is more fun than a puppy when you actually do learn something. Thank you for sharing your fun with all of us.

[@IR-nq4qv]

It gets even more interesting when you can test by replicating real world conditions

[@kensherwin4544]

@@IR-nq4qv It sure is. I even got paid to do that for 47 years full time and occasionally still do it.

[@IR-nq4qv]

@@kensherwin4544 I was exposed to a lot of nondestructive and very rarely some destructive testing which I found to be very interesting from an engineering revision POV

[@legogummybear5]

Watching from DownUnder. Respect for your work and community ethics and the way you do business. You are a shinning example of all the good things in the USA as apposed to all the horrible things we see about America in the news. Well done Casey, you and your family and friends should be so proud of you!

[@jakester455]

Yeah... Maybe don't trust the mainstream media.

[@paulprigge1209]

Pretty sure even Downunder you have some disgusting stuff going on. Many of us really have stop watching the news because it is not News. Pretty much centered either to the left or to the right not the facts.

[@treyreppe4348]

​I dont think you should ignore all media but just realize they publicize what sells 🤷‍♂️ often times thats not positive or local problems get applied to more than the effected area.

[@nickraschke4737]

Anyone watching this needs to follow Casey. He’s the good guy.

[@timothygeiger8271]

Don't believe what you see on the media, they don't report the truth!

[@thomasfletcher760]

Admit it , Casey , you have a ton of fun with these tests ( and calling out the nay sayers ) . Keep up the awesome work

[@johnfarney5328]

A lot of EXPERTS say that I can't do half the stuff I've had to do..... they have never done it, or ever done it by themselves. Necessity makes the decision.

[@dennispalmer6007]

In the hater’s eyes you must be pretty important for him to put that much effort into discrediting you. Pat on the back to you.

[@pauljohnstone4723]

Many years ago as part of his employment as a heavy vehicle mechanic, my brother as sent on a recovery/towing course. It was 6 weeks full time and was run by the Australian Army. They classified that course as a beginners. The full course took at least 6 months, but it did include tank recovery which wasn't much use in suburban Australia. He constantly ran into people who tried to tell him how to do a recovery or towing set up, when they had no actual experience or formal training.

[@lancer2204]

It's usually some bogan who got their Datsun unstuck after a few too many tinnies and now think they know something.

[@pauljohnstone4723]

@@lancer2204 Any one who lives in Australia knows that it is full of self labeled experts.

[@AndrewAMartin]

​@@pauljohnstone4723And on the Internet, everyone is an expert...

[@jamesbigham9036]

Good morning Casey I dont see this as a controversial video at all because you were honest, used facts and video proof to verify what you were saying. I want to correct you on something. You do educate people on the correct way and safe way to do things. You always tell people what not to do as well as the dangerous aspect. I love the fact your videos are real and not obviously rookie edited where you can tell there are parts of the video missing. You do everything yourself and put out a top quality video no matter what you get into or who is involved. In your videos it feels like we are really there with you

[@judithburke1539]

I'm in total agreement with you!

[@GamingCharlotte]

Casey I started watching because of how honest and down to earth you are not what some "expert" claims.

[@brucefowler832]

For some strange reason I find you to be more credible than much of the rest of youtube. Some channels I once was fondest of have become more like infomercials than original content and it's good when someone doesn't succumb. Not knocking them entirely as I'm sure from a business point they make more money that way.

[@pauldanielczyk3398]

Great video Casey and thank you for being so thorough. As a 75 year old that has pulled tons of people off the sand I appreciate the fact that things have a limit and you bring that out perfectly. Thank you for being candid as well. Keep on doing what you are doing and say HI to Grumpy and your Dad as well.

[@Justanoldwoman9748]

You are so honest which makes you the best,no one can beat your knowledge,way to go Casey

[@sagebrushbob2321]

I'm just going to say this: I've been a practical engineer in the repair/rebuild/install world for my whole adult life. I have a special, warm feeling for well engineered things that just work. With no fanfare and no drama. To my mind Alan is a brilliant designer and I would, and do, trust anything he and his business put in my hands. And you, sir, really are very good at this recovery stuff, in spite of what you want us to believe. 😀

[@BenKlassen1]

Way to go! This needed to be done. Critics silenced.

[@heapsees3062]

Casey, As has been often said of you, there is no one else who we would watch making a commercial for a product and not fast forward through it. The reason is twofold, first, you’re an excellent speaker and producer, even with some self deprecation and yes, a bit of salt at appropriate times. Secondly and most importantly, you consistently strive for positivity and service to others, thank you!

[@toddk1377]

When it comes to recovery and off-road channels, only a very few are actually good, quality, and honest content. This is one of them channels, I'm aware of "The Experts" channel and from what I saw, it's nothing I would miss not watching to put it nicely. Surprisingly, when I was at a rally last weekend, many of the military vehicle owners were fans of the same channels, most of the guys who participated or was at the off-road wrecker games. There are some channels based out of England and Australia that are quite good as well. That said, Casey just keep doing you buddy, excellent content as always and no bs which always highly appreciated.

[@johnderbabian6198]

Excellent video Casey. Love that you take the high road and don't stoop to the other 'experts' level. Your viewers respect your integrity, knowledge, and expertise in the industry - that's what keeps them (and me) coming back...

[@ThorneRising]

Even though I have absolutely nothing to do with the towing / recovery world, I have come to appreciate your videos. I absolutely adore that you give a open and honest discussion about equipment that is well thought out and presented.

[@kinring2461]

Casey, you are BY FAR the most intelligent, honest, straight forward, no back down guy I've seen, and my favorite youtuber of anyone out there. Your the kind of guy I would love to hang with. Knowledge is power. Keep it up buddy. Peace.

[@WayneJose]

My wife and I watch your videos and we both really enjoy them. They are informative, entertaining, and in some cases heartwarming especially when grumpy and Riley are in them. If I am watching one of your videos without her my wife actually gets upset with me because she even enjoys them that much. Keep up the good work.

[@Kiki-Kauai]

Honestly I don’t understand why so many come on this channel to tell you how to do your job or just call out whatever you’re doing. It’s unbelievably frustrating. Keep on keeping it real Casey. 🤙🏻

[@kenmurray4232]

Good video. It's nice see Allen & his team continuing to improve their products. Very cool not calling out by name the hater. No sense lowering yourself.

[@k1j2f30]

What was the hater's name, again? Lol

[@AndrewAMartin]

​@@k1j2f30Gator Boy... He responded to another comment thread and seriously exposed his utter lack of knowledge.

[@funnlivinit]

Just a note. Not a criticism. I’ve worked in Special Effects for over 25 years and we pull things all the time. The industry switched to synthetic ropes about 15 or so years ago. I’ve only ever used Spectra brand rope. That being said, I have indeed melted line on occasion. Always when working near the limit of the pull strength of the rope. When this happens the rope does flatten and weld itself together. Upon inspection it is rigid and will crackle when bent or not bend at all. This happened on 4” steel sheaves. Never has the rope frayed or look “destroyed”. But it’s not due to how much rope has been pulled around a sheave, but how much tension is on that rope. The friction between the strands and heat generated from stretching the individual strands is what leads to the failure. Not the low speed friction between the rope and the pulley. Great videos! I’ll be using Yankum Ropes now too. (Though I’m still not so comfortable with soft shackles.)

[@ronaldbarnes2897]

Casey, this was a very good video and I am happy that you made it. I have been off roading for many years, and have had to make a bunch of recoveries in the mud in our area. As a party leader at Ft Knox they have been stuck sometimes in places a tank used to go into! I wish we had the setup you showed us, that’s absolutely top notch! Keep up the great videos they are awesome!

[@bluegrallis]

My Dad spent WWII at Fort Knox as a Tech Sargent, teaching field maint. on tanks and half tracks. There used to be a couple pictures around, of tanks crossing what looked like a small river.

[@dougreid2351]

I'm stoked to find this video! I've been searching for your first vid with the offset ring since I saw it at the end of APR-without success. Turned on to soft shackles and rings in my research but couldn't find YOU. I held off on purchases on three occassions. Timing is everything! Thanks. BTW, your earlier video was everything you said, proving concept with action, and not making rediculous claims, or confusing Fahrenheit temp with Celsius temp ratings. Rubbish. ("Rubbish" is the word I settled on to replace "horse sh!t" in my church vocabulary.) Thanks. You're going in the right direction. Subscribed happily. DOUG out

[@RaisingTheBar-Jason]

Casey, you’re handling it exactly as you should. Facts that are verifiable and you show that verification to the world with no filters. Sadly there are a lot of so called “professionals” in every industry that don’t have the common sense or knowledge that God gave a dodo bird. Whether it’s ignorance or maliciousness for their own gain, it’s just wrong. Keep doing your thing and we’ll keep tuning in.

[@Firemedicnurse]

Good job Casey, keep up the good work. Between you and Matt’s Offroad is the biggest reason I’m changing everything to synthetic.

[@RobertsAdventure]

Enjoyed this, particularly getting to see the test facility. Don't let the haters get you down! Would be fun to see some more fail tests on some of the gear, gives you confidence their numbers are correct when you actually see the tests. Keep the vids coming!

[@bigdog5217]

Really appreciate you making this video and properly explaining all the ins and outs of recovering equipment.

[@jamesseabolt7995]

Casey, there will always be those who are so jealous of others they will say and do anything to make you look bad. Those of us that watch you and others in your profession learn. Please don't be deterred from providing information to us, and thank-you.

[@bucky716]

I'll probably never use this type of equipment and still find it interesting learning about this stuff from your videos!

[@duncanmarchant4992]

Love this. Keep up the great work and videos, and I'm not surprised some people don't understand basic physics.

[@J-Wright]

We’ll done. I purchased the XL ring based on seeing this pull test. Much appreciated, the straight talk and step by step for us beginners. Oregon Native to y’all.

[@richardthomas1743]

"I never said I was good at this" 🤔...... You sure as hell are good at this Casey! Allen at YanKum makes an EXCELLENT product and you demonstrated the capabilities of this in great detail! Awesome video and I liked the ended LOL.. OH and it is always a pleasure to see your beautiful wife! 👍👍💯💯

[@royreynolds108]

That was insane that the straps broke before the ring broke or even had a mark on it. Right at 80K lbs trying to rip that ring apart is phenomenal.

[@AndrewAMartin]

Didn't surprise me at all - the ring is made of high strength aluminum alloy, aka aircraft grade, probably 7076-T6. Need a different test rig, but I'm pretty sure it could take a lot more...

[@jeffmcdonald101]

Meh, normal climbing carabiners can hold 44K at rated strength. More like 50K real world. They are less than 10mm/3/8" round and not one piece. That ring would hold much much more than 80K.

[@TheBCSledder]

Not really. A round steel ring vs a nylon sling was never a contest.

[@terrellpettijohn3952]

Great video Casey. I don’t do a lot of recoveries and those that I have done involve straight one line pulls with side by sides. I do carry a conventional snatch block with me just in case though. Looks like I need to upgrade to a non metal thimble and hook and get one of Alan’s recovery rings.

[@k.sather4833]

As a sponsor of this video, I found that I got more than expected as a return. I only have use for this stuff when on my SxS but it’s been a great learning experience and worth while info for unique situations. Thank you for the “content” Casey.

[@louism8739]

Casey, no matter what others say about you, just go your own way. There are always those so-called experts who know better with their mouths but can't do anything with their hands. Don't worry about it and continue as you are doing now. You are a good guy with a big heart for nature and fellow man. greetings from Holland

[@patfitzgerald5140]

Another excellent video, thanks Casey. Keep doing what you are doing. It would be nice if everyone was as honest and straight forward as you. Again Thank you

[@DIRTVENTURE]

Who ever they are…?? That was trashing you??? Did not do a good job??? I have not seen anything of theirs yet

[@Dieselfan1997]

Same here

[@fixednstoned861]

I had to search for the drama…. Not worth it honestly. I’m personally surprised Casey even entertains the idiot

[@dangerrangerlstc]

I have. Consider yourself lucky. Some people just aren't happy unless they're mad at someone else.

[@DIRTVENTURE]

@@dangerrangerlstc that’s normal. Build your self up off of someone else.

[@toddk1377]

I have as well and honestly, it's not any content that's just as good or better than Casey's or Matt's. From what I saw, something definitely seemed sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if inferior equipment was used or other shenanigans were pulled to try and prove a point which was fully disproven in Casey's video's.

[@Grandpa1422]

As someone who has been in the recovery field for 20 years even in the military I'm so glad to see you explain all of this. Uneducated people need educated. I am now getting into synthetic rope and this video helps show me the capabilities of synthetic rope vs my old trusted steel ropes. I am converting over now. Thank you

[@DurtySailor]

Good information thank you for taking the time and showing us people who don't use winches and the rigging to go along with it everyday

[@TowMan127]

I’ve always been impressed with the strength of their products. Those shackles are no joke. 💪💪💪

[@kathyl5610]

I love your honesty and no BS. You speak your honest opinion and it is greatly appreciated. I’m glad you didn’t mention the a holes name, not worth mentioning. Please keep doing your videos the way you do. In my opinion, you are one of the most honest and straightforward KZbinrs! Love your channel exactly the way it is. Take care, stay safe.

[@sonnicman]

Great video Casey. If the individual is a self proclaimed “authority” on the subject matter they shouldn’t hide…they should teach and educate if in fact their words are true and accurate.

[@deborahbrooks8938]

So proud to be a follower of your channel. You do so many great things for the community and those that enter into it. Your knowledge and safety leaves no doubt about your trading and commitment to the trade you work in. Keep being who you are and doing what you do. Some people are just who they are and jump in where they don't belong.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

The only valid response to objectionable speech is MORE speech, never censoring. Thanks for proving it again, Casey.

[@mikeperreault8939]

I'm not a recovery guy. I just Really enjoy Casey and his videos. Keep on doing it. Thank you

[@sandymcvicar2325]

To quote Ron White "you can't fix stupid". A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Thanks for setting the record straight.

[@rickydonahue1586]

I recently started watching you and I think you're a straight up dude and I for one really appreciate that. I know if you say something is good that I can take your word for it just the same if it's junk.

[@allanarndt3047]

Your pulling setups are not only a thing of beauty they are just plain cool! I love this stuff,the way you rig your pulls amaze me. Thank you for showing me a better way.

[@FRIGHTLINERDELUX]

Thanks for doing what you do Helping people, Showing how to do it and NOT giving in to the haters. Love ya Brother. Be Safe.

[@lastresortrescueandrepair]

Good stuff, we ran tow trucks back in the 70’s no type of formal training, if you had commercial or chauffeurs license you could be a owner/operator. OJT was it unless you worked somewhere else before and were shown the ropes 😂 cables or chains. Lot of people got hurt or killed getting in the wrong place at the wrong time. I glad Alan and others came up with new & lighter ways to do the same old things we once did. Keep it up !!!

[@FC-cz6zd]

I have zero knowledge of any of this stuff but I learned something today, thanks!

[@andrewmortimer3317]

That was an awesome demonstration! The whole time I was expecting a anchor point or chain to fail before the synthetic parts ever got to their limits.

[@fredcorbit5078]

I drove a wrecker in the 1960s I enjoy learning from you. Well done

[@dougngwenlawson3886]

Casey in my opinion you are a good honest person that shows the world that there are still good people and there are always going to be idiots out there, so keep doing what you do and we will survive. Oh and your rigging is spot on cause I'm a millwright and we have rigged plenty including a 1.2 million pound stator housing from a generator at a nuclear plant.

[@edryan2926]

I always love your videos like this one. Great informative stuff, and you always caveat everything you say by telling us to consult the manufacturer, use common sense, don't stand in the triangle of death, etc. etc. You're such a great teacher, keep it up!

[@ldvan100]

Casey, I am one of the people who "respectfully" disagreed with your opinion.. To each his own but I'll further offer a true test of why I disagree.. FRICTION is your enemy with the offset ring.. Use an AMPMETER to measure the amperage draw on your winch, same load, same line parting, offset ring vs. standard snatch block.. Physics says the friction from your offset ring vs. a standard snatch block, the offset ring will take more amperage to do the same work.. Keep doing what you're doing, do what works best for you, I have all the respect in the world for you and the good you do for people.. Thats why I'm a subscriber and you ALWAYS get a thumbs up from me even if I disagree with you...

[@gsettlemyre]

30 years in the fire service up till 5 years ago, wondering if these ropes will carry over in that service and if they could benefit by doing so. I know adequate testing would have to take place prior to. Thanks for keeping it real! Ones education does not stop unless you want it to. I watch these and others videos for just that reason. Most are good, some are on the other side of the coin, still learning!

[@EthosAtheos]

Dyneema has a huge disadvantage in firefighting. It has a very low melt point. At less than 300f(140c) it melts (this might very by 10C from manufacture to manufacturer); @140F(60c) it is only good for 80% strength and it gets worse from there. If you don't get it to hot it is probably the best weight to strength ratio rope you can get. Kevlar isn't as strong as Dyneema and has some other issues like abrasion. But it has a much higher melt temp, something like 350C. It would likely be a better al be it much more expensive option in hot environments. My background with ropes is in rock climbing, high angle rescue, and water rescue. I'm not an expert and I have never been a fire fighter. On a side note as the Son of a volunteer fire fighter, Thank you for your service.

[@terencetyndall8596]

Thank you for all the information it great to have a person out there teaching people how to us things and being up front

[@brianrydzeski6108]

As long as you stay true to your ways, I'll keep watching and liking. As always, good information. While you may not be a computerized encyclopedia, you always show and explain things in a way the majority of people understand. Keep up the good work. Can't Wait for the Next Time.

[@JonathanEasterlin]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. People like you help off-road recovery enthusiast improve their capability and survivability.

[@duanebuck193]

Casey, you keep on being you and giving us the excellent videos that you do. I will honestly admit that there have been a few times that I've wondered (and commented) about some of the things that you've done, but I will also admit that you've shown and explained your process in a way that made me go "duh" to my own questions. I've learned a few things watching you work, and I've been able to share a few things that you've shown because it was done in a way that was super helpful. Haters are gonna hate - no matter what you do, but the rest of us know the difference!!

[@brandons9398]

Great video, Casey! I hear you on haters, they are far too many, unfortunately! I’ve watched you work for several years now, I believe you are one of the best in the business. You are also a fantastic humanitarian and wonderful person. keep bringing us these great videos.😊

[@johnbuckner8055]

Glad you are getting the facts out

[@rogermontee8264]

Casey I watch your videos because I like them and you. This video was spot on!!!!! I like when you call people out on there B S. Why would Alan sell these products if they weren’t safe and been tested for for the safety of others. Thank you for all of the great videos and advice.☺️☺️☺️👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@EnufIsTooMuch]

Casey - I really enjoy your videos and admire the whole range of what you are showing us online! About rings versus pulleys, my preference for pulleys comes from a different situation and I admit that that. In wilderness / mountain SAR these mechanical advantage systems run much longer distances than most off road vehicle recoveries. Rope lengths of 300', 600' and 1200' feet. Some connected together for pulls of a 1/4 mile and longer. The point being the time of constant motion is far higher than any winch pull of the typical stuck vehicle. Plus it is human life on the line, not hardware. So the use of the least friction gear / setup possible, the least heat rise and loss of efficiency, is deeply ingrained. I am NOT complaining about what you do, I'm frankly envious of how much fun you are having! I'll always have my preference for a bearing pulley over a ring simply because of all those years and hundreds of missions doing so. Anyway, not that you need my urging but you keep on keeping on with what you are doing and this retired old SAR Guy will keep on enjoying what you want to share with us all! :)

[@John13Edge]

A little personal history here…I am a mechanical engineering technologist….I am an Electrician…I have my 8 ton hoist ticket…I have my rigging ticket…. I was responsible(foreman) on several jobs where we pulled electrical cable that weighed approximately 8 lbs per foot using twin 3 ton gypsy wheel tuggers.. I wish when I was doing these jobs someone like Allan from Yakum was building his products and people like Casey showing us the practical use of them in honest ways….My hat is off to Casey for keeping it Real and Allan and his team to bring us such wonderful equipment.

[@eshootziscrs2868]

I would like to ask a question. In the video I believe Casey ran from the winch over the outside of both rings and then through the inner holes as he got further from the winch. My understanding is that the winch will pull approximately five times as much line in order to move the working end one fifth. The winch's pull is increased by a multiple of five on the working end ( minus friction). So the further you get from the winch in terms of legs or parts of the system the higher the strain on the line becomes. Therefore according to the "radius rule" as explained. Wouldn't it be better to go through the rings first starting at the winch and then over/ around the rings as the load increases? Does the amount of line travelling around the radius matter? Seems like both the load being pulled and the first leg of the line would go through the center. Appreciate any feedback.

[@John13Edge]

@@eshootziscrs2868 Rule of thumb with old school pulleys. Line from winch pulled at 100% after going around second pulley 90% after third pulley 81% ,after fourth pulley 72.9% (each pulley was 90% efficient) so in a 5 part line if your tugger was pulling at 1000 lbs the five part line system would pull at 4095.1 lbs…Since friction increase the smaller the radius I personally would go around the outside of eyes then the inside is what I believe Casey did…My gut call from so little temperature increase( friction generates heat) that my guess and only a guess in Casey’s set up of a 5 part line He would be getting 4800-4900 lbs pull for every 1000 lbs supplies by winch due to how slippery synthetic rope is over the polished wheels.

[@eshootziscrs2868]

@@John13Edge Seems counter intuitive. The greatest load with loss off efficiency is still at the parts furthest from the winch. But if I took anything from your reply that makes sense to me ( just me) it is that the amount of rope crossing the "pulley" would determine heat build up from friction so the smaller radius should be under the greater strain? Perhaps I could ask. If each ring consisted of two outside grooves, would you run both parts over the outside or still run the second leg through the inside? I'm not arguing, both the diagram on the ring, Casey and now you suggest the way he ran it was best. It's just not clicking for me and I'm the type that needs to understand for myself. Would love to see a strain gauge on each part to see just how much loss there is with the rings vs pulleys. I think it would be interesting to see how much pull is on the anchor truck, the first wheel of the flatbed, the skid steer and the rear wheel of the flatbed. Im guessing here but I think there would be a different load and rate of pull on the two wheels of the flatbed. Not necessarily a bad thing since it would allow a pivot.

[@John13Edge]

@@eshootziscrs2868 as the rope goes around each pulley, some of the pressure is removed from the pull pressure. The greatest change in temperature will be on the first pulley. I am just picking numbers here for effect..ambient temperature lets say is 80F the temperature coming off the first pulley is 85F coming off the second pulley is 89F so the first pulley is a 5 degree temperature increase come off the second is 4 degrees…so by the time you get to the last pulley the temp of the rope will be the hottest but the change in temperature will be the lowest..Hopefully that helps you understand better..

[@eshootziscrs2868]

@@John13Edge Yes and no. I wasn't considering the temperature change as much as the actual tension on the line creating the friction. But yes, since I understand less rope moves across the fulcrum there would be less heat build up. My issue I think is that I believe there is a higher load on the rope thus creating more friction and even with less movement the higher load would essentially balance out the heat created. Casey explained that the further you get from the winch the less actual stress/load is on the line. That is where I get lost. If the final part of the system has, say five times as much pulling power it would seem the line would have 5 times as much load. But I'm starting to understand that load is distributed amongst each leg of the line and not multiplied to the line. Clearly the anchor running to the flatbeds wheel will have far more load on it that the line exiting the winch. But that load will be shared by each leg of the line attached to the ring. Am I getting close?

[@jeffcolmus4900]

I really enjoy watching your videos you don't hide anything you're honest tell it like it is straight up explain details how things work that's how it should be keep up the good work

[@barrysimmons5489]

Hey Casey, Thanks for your timely clarification. Saw and enjoyed your original rigging video using these products and now here we are again with clarification. Please keep in mind, an "expurt is a has been drip under pressure." I must lead a deprived existence because no where did I run across any of the challenging material you spoke of. In any event, "Keep on Keepin on! Thanks for sharing. 🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸👍😎

[@charleshare6840]

Casey, I always enjoy your videos. Not only are they entertaining, but I find them educational too. Keep up the good work.

[@michaelcauser474]

I somehow don't think that any of your subscribers are watching your channel because you are going to do something stupid, but because we know that you live and understand what you do and are bloody good at it. Never CHANGE because some "expert" thinks he knows better than you. Keep up the good work and keep teaching us plebs as you go.

[@TassyDeval]

I was in a transport unit in the army for 20 years. Did shiploads of recoveries with extensive training. The first thing we had to do was get the calculator out and work out the total pull required to do the job. Cant quite remember that full formula as that was over 40 years ago now, but it involved, how many wheels were still rotating, the angle (left right up down), what was it stuck in (mud ice etc), the weight and so on, and at the end there was a safety factor put in. I have never had a reason to question anything u do and I bet than I have done more recoveries than the EXPERT has, myself. Unfortunately, I never played with synthetics as it was always wire ropes. I have seen what a broken wire recovery system can do after a failure and they are not pretty. I would never break the golden rule of the triangle of death for no1, even demonstrations and training. never. I would sooner you here Casey than that other thing. Keep up the good work dude.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Brought to mind seeing US Navy Shipyard Long Beach rigging shop moving tons of materiel on and off my destroyer. We always gave these crews a wide berth. NAVSEA publishes the bible on this topic

[@lonpearson2134]

I worked on tugboats on the Columbia River for about twenty five years. We handled a lot of chip barges and they typically weighed about 3200 tons fully loaded. We used 3/4” soft core cables and 7/8” steel core cables for securing the barges. We also used 2 1/5” poly ropes for tying the barges in docking locations. The changes that have taken place in the rigging industry are interesting because steel cables are rarely used anymore in vehicle recovery. Yet, with the heavy loads of barges in the river, the industry has largely stayed with steel cables and I’ve never seen a fabric line on a winch that is used for securing barges. Typically, it takes shock load to part a line and the risks to workers associated with that impact are considerable. I’ve only seen a couple instances where the fabric lines have parted and it seems the recoil gets deadened because of the flexible nature of the fabric used in the line. That safety feature alone, makes a switch to fabric line a good move. I’ve seen hundreds of steel cables break over the years and the result is always comprised of a spring back effect of the parted ends and those ends always flair out like an inverted umbrella. Created a deadly path for anyone in the way. This is a great demonstration of the tools you are using for your rigs and I’m glad to see so much detail in analyzing the safety of using those tools.

[@raymondweaver3752]

Thanks for another great video. Just keep doing things the way they you are. Honesty always wins out in the end.

[@fpkites]

Some "expert".... I follow a fair amount of offroad recovery channels and offroad communities, and I never saw anybody calling you out. It's a real shame that it happened, and it was dishonest of the person that did it. I appreciate your honesty and clarity. You show the good and the bad, and no manufacturer can EVER buy you. Thanks for what you do Casey

[@justnotg00d]

Good for you, great job. Pee on that alleged "expert". I have found too, too many self-proclaimed experts. I choose to listen to you. I love what you are doing, keep it going ! Thanks.

[@judithburke1539]

Jealousy is self-destructive 😢.....

[@robmcgrath2490]

Good for you for standing up for what is right and for having the knowledge to back it up!!

[@psg6314]

I don't think you would ever get the set up to get hot enough to fail unless you're in a hot spot in the middle of nowhere over 100 f great video and keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe

[@christhompson2006]

Definitely keep doing your thing. We appreciate you for doing exactly that.

[@ironhorse7588]

Your a Class Act 👍 Your Honest reviews in real life situations are top notch. I have purchased many recovery items from your reviews and I am totally satisfied with every item. 👍👍👍

[@jakobthomas3587]

34 mins of pure info! please dont stop doing what you do.

[@jlowe_wpg3383]

Keep up the informative vids, and i appreciate your honesty, makes for less confusion, enjoy your wins!

[@CarswithNash]

Thanks for this, I learned a lot!👍

[@ptdave123]

Well done Casey. You explained things in detail so everyone can understand. Too bad people need to try and raise thier ratings by using BS to know others down. Keep the good videos coming.

[@BradGryphonn]

This was an excellent demonstration of how strong both the synthetic rope is, and the subject of the video, the rings. 80000lbs is some serious stress, and the ring came through fine. And getting that rope to piano-string-tight is pretty impressive.

[@matthewtucker4636]

Keep it up sir. Your doing an amazing job. And as other have said, I don't know who this "expert" is, but he clearly isn't on my radar because I haven't seen the first hint of these other comments.

[@michaelm6624]

THANKS Casey ! Great Info. I'm a former Safety Engineer and You (and Yankum) are ABSOLUTELY Correct !! Great Video.

[@HTDutchy]

Another great video Casey! This kind of video is very similar to what @HowNOT2 does for the climbing community. You're showing why people shouldn't be afraid of this new gear and why it's super good enough for any 'normal' situation. The only way you could improve this kind of content is by getting all scientific with actual force meters. But people who aren't impressed by you pulling your biggest truck probably won't be impressed by a big number on a screen either. Seriously that 79000+ on the pull test was insane but I don't think many people can actually imagine what such a number means!

[@robertottwell605]

Very good demonstration how to properly use the yankum equipment. I have been thru all the Wreckmaster training up to heavy recovery and this demonstration of proper use and what a winch can actually do when use correctly was very professional and reminded me of that exact scenario that was performed in the class. But didn’t cost thousands of dollars so thank you.😀

[@thomasemberson8021]

Really enjoy all of your videos, including this one. Very minor correction, and this is kinda statics/dynamics 101, the tension on the rope, itself, is the same over the entire length. Also, I really appreciate your honesty of opinion, and dry humor. Keep it up! This is one of the few channels I look forward to new videos

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Actually the tension does drop slightly in every consecutive leg of the setup. That is with all recovery rings and bearing pulley snatch blocks as well.

[@thomasemberson8021]

@@CaseyLaDelle yes, with the qualifier slightly, ideally with no resistance the force at the end would be the same. It would be VERY interesting, if you ever put together the same test setup to put force gages at the ends of the ropes. Further it would be interesting to graph the force on the termination end of the rope. And look at the instantaneous force while the winch is running, and right after. At least I think it would be interesting to see the graphs. Thanks again. I find this all very interesting.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

@@thomasemberson8021 I really want to do that, but I need multiple load cells to do it correctly

[@EnufIsTooMuch]

@@CaseyLaDelle - I was involved in load cell tests and dyno tests back in the days of 80286 / 80386 based laptops. Wish I still had the data collected. The gist of it was the rope tension is unchanged but the anchor points and traveling pulleys all see a division of the total load. The other thing is that the total work effort/energy needed is the same be it a 1:1, 3:1 or 9:1. It is perceived differently because it is spread over time and distance. The caveat here is those were all human powered tests, not winches. The value of these systems on "People Pulling Power" are going to be very different from "Machine Pulling Power".

[@osvaldocollazo4696]

You really are a meticulous person. And that is the best thing. If anyone wants to share anything he just needs to be knowledgeable and have the experience needed about all concerning what’s going to be shared. Keep sharing your knowledge and experiences. Thanks and God Bless!

[@buetang]

I didn't see the critique videos from the expert that passed judgment on you... but those are some SCARY temps, they're ALMOST as high as the print plate on my little 3d printer. I'm surprised there isn't a small mushroom cloud over your part of Oregon right now. You should consider yourself lucky to be alive sir. Dangerous stuff.

[@akdoug6437]

Hard to tell if you're using sarcasm or don't realize his temps were in F not C.

[@buetang]

@@akdoug6437 If the 'small mushroom cloud' and 'lucky to be alive' didn't give away the level of sarcasm I was putting down... I need to reevaluate how I use it :DDD

[@karenmadden9435]

I don't know anything about towing and a lot of what you talk about goes over my head. But, I love watching the predicaments people get themselves into and how you help them. I like the fun you always have and how you don't take yourself too seriously. But, I do deal with a lot of internet/social media trolls in my job, and I absolutely LOVED watching you put your troll in his place.