Offset Rifle RDS- 12 O'clock vs Canted.

[@bass779]

Uploading these videos to KZbin keeps your profile high and publicly demonstrates not just your status as a Subject Matter Expert, but also as a critical thinker. This kind of content is such great advertising for your classes and even for institutional customers. Hate to see you leave KZbin

[@musicman1eanda]

Yeah I'm not fully understanding his move to Patreon, but he must have run the numbers and thought it would be worth it financially.

[@mdbm777]

Unless something changed he pretty clearly said he's not leaving KZbin. Most of the postings will just be behind a paywall, but there will still be free KZbin ones

[@lancedonati]

Genuinely bummed

[@soulstodeny05]

Editing alone for these videos is probably super time consuming. I understand the choice.

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

Agreed!👍

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I love your content and what it brings to the community. Your delivery and professionalism will be sorely missed on this platform.

[@tylerb556]

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[@BillCheshire_Jr]

I am a total novice when it comes to guns I'm glad for people like you that are out there promoting gun safety as well as instruction on the latest advances in technology

[@doctordaveairborne5476]

Aaron you are one of the most articulate and cerebral firearms instructors I have heard in my military, law enforcement and civilian experience; thanks for putting out great content!

[@mattpage4260]

12:00 is also handy for high magnification. If you are at 20x looking for a target …you use the dot to get you close to on target, then transition to the magnified optic.

[@frankhujsa821]

This is also done with a 45 degree offset optic.

[@sumblakdude9]

Yea you can do it just 12 o’clock is better for that application. Not even close lol

[@StefanSu91]

@@frankhujsa821 No. you have to move your rifle. With it at 12 with a 20x optic you are probably prone and with a bipod.

[@gunsandcommissions]

How is it better than just looking over the top of the scope? The dot isn't going to be slaved to the reticle on a 20x scope.

[@Debellaturus]

@@frankhujsa821 if you’re running a bipod though it might be a bit easier to transition from a 12 o clock mount, otherwise yeah I fully agree it’s no different with either

[@donnyreynoso6465]

NGL i really like the way Aaron articulates, appreciate you n the channel sir

[@ryan45kim]

Aaron you have a great channel and I hate to see you leave u tube but you have to do what’s best for you. Good luck in your future endeavors.

[@davidp.6871]

Glad to see you still posting to KZbin, it think it's great for your brand and will lead to further growth of your business through exposure.

[@molonlabe8126]

What a nice video ! Thanks a lot, I've wanted to go for a prism with a backup RDS on top but your insight with head placement has really opened my eyes with the cons it will bring.

[@alaskajohn907]

I love the old Crown Vic P71 in the background! Such a great car. I love mine

[@jaredking1147]

Aaron you mind reader. I've been debating this exact topic for the past few days. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Will definitely take this into consideration.

[@vigormindset]

I know you are moving most of your content to Patreon, but it made my New Year’s day to see this video pop up in my feed. Timely too, since I’ve been considering an offset backup dot. Thank you kindly sir, always appreciate your content. And happy new year to you and yours...

[@blue.cord.actual8698]

Shot both set ups a lot. I prefer the 12:00 o’clock. Here’s why. I train shooting from both my right and left sides. The problem with 45 degree off set IMO is, if you have to transition the weapon to the opposite side to shot around cover the red dot becomes absolutely useless. I agree with this man……it comes down to set up and most importantly……training/practicing. Awesome video. Thank you, Sir.

[@mathiasbarot2243]

You can still shoot with lpvo at x1. If you have to shoot with the opposite side, you have time to adjust the LPVO in x1, right ? I am not criticizing your experience and your opinion (on the contrary, I appreciate the numerous opinions of my American brothers !), I am just trying to know; I'm in the process of switching my AR15 from a red dot to an LPVO, so I'm trying to find the configuration that will suit me best. And here in France, it's really not easy to have differents rifles to test/try !

[@KonaLife]

This video is perfect timing for me. I've been looking into both options as an optic solution, in addition to the Primary Arms SLx 5x36mm Gen III already mounted on my AR. Thanks for the vid!

[@diamondheat9]

Great video and in great timing. I recently invested in the Badger Ordnance 1.70 family and a new LPVO. I decided on a 35° side offset RDS.

[@JorgeGarcia-lw7vc]

The newest trend is the heads up (chin or no cheek weld) type of shooting that favors very high mounts (Unity and others). It is supposed to foster greater situational awareness, especially in closer quarters, and also allows use of the optic with NV. I want to experiment with this set up more, although I ve been pretty comfortable with 45 offset (incl with irons). I love your videos, their use case considerations, and critical thinking. Just noticed I wasnt subscribed, so just did. Thank you!

[@benthephilosopher]

Thanks for the many years of great youtube videos! Cheers!

[@DanielBoone337]

I'm definitely in the offset dot camp it's just so much more natural for me so thats what I do. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

[@robbermudez2495]

I swear I was just thinking about this earlier today for my current build. I came to the same conclusion of not sacrificing my main optic height and having to turtle. Then I came across this video. Thanks for the info

[@zacharycastor7967]

Verify before you trust might be the most based info Ive heard on KZbin. Props and happy new year!

[@Fugettaboutit]

Yeah I tried a top-of-scope mount, and even though I have my LPVO on a 1.5 height, didn't like the 'hovering' chin-weld and the extreme height over bore. Went with an Arisaka offset mount and actually use the 35˚ instead of the 45˚, and the transitions feel natural. Definitely prefer and recommend the diagonal offset. Zeroed red dot at 36 yds, like all my red dots on 5.56 guns. I also tried higher mounts for the LPVO since I prefer a lower-1/3 height on red dots, and though the height felt comfortable when I was shooting standing, when on barriers or especially prone, since I was leaning more forward I had to crane my neck back to meet that height and lost cheek weld, so it was like hovering and losing the eye box. Went back to a 1.5" height and even though I have to press down more when standing, it's still natural enough and with that cheek weld consistent, when pressed onto barriers or prone I'm right on.

[@markmccardia9282]

I appreciate how you explain things. Im in process of mounting up a 35 degree offset and cant wait to get some training time in.. At first I was thinking "snag" issues and such, but I think the advantage of adding some protection to the that side of the lpvo out weighs the cons

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[@donovanhilljr6241]

I’ve become so much more selective when building this last rife and I have taken a lot of what you would say into account and this is literally the last thing I am looking at doing. Buis or back up rds and how I need it set up.

[@mxdirtcarver9203]

Sir, you are a stud! Really enjoy your videos.

[@kerryburnett5240]

I will miss your videos, but thx for making them!

[@sanjayjha9255]

Aaron, excellent discussion as I am in complete agreement with everyone that a secondary sighting system is critical. On every platform which contains a red dot, I have backup iron sights which will co-witness, no issues. On each of my platforms which utilize an LPVO, I have 45 deg fixed iron sights. At the time it was the fastest, transitioning from LPVO to secondary sights. My only decision was based off of watching and listening to Barry Duecke who inspired the Surefire RTS sights. Anything for competition he used the angled iron sights first, then went to LPVO. The RTS sights are not cheap and with current prices on a red dot with mount, the latter may be the way to go. However, when shooting from the ground thru a barricade or opening, there may not be clearance to use a red dot to achieve a correct sight picture, let alone with an LPVO. Being a short guy, I am guaranteed to get closer to the ground and achieve a sight picture with the 45 deg iron sights. Whatever one decides, confirm the usability under all conditions: i.e. prone, barricade, thru barricade, under lowered vehicle such as kit car as opposed to full size truck. Thank you again.

[@T20-c8f]

Aaron I have to say bro, you have made me spend so much damn money over the years it’s not even funny. Bright side is literally everything I’ve ever bought from the cloud defense tape switch mount for my protac, to the armadillo concealment lux extended for my Glock 34 with tlr 1 have been beyond top notch. You have saved me so much money. Kinda the only guy I know who lives in florida, has a very medium frame at 5’11” and 180lbs, yet I carry a g34 with RMR and tlr 1 every single day. It’s better than my g26 at concealing due to the holster. Top quality content my man. Wife and I are about to do the budget for 2023 and your damn right I’m subbing

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[@TLhike]

Always learn something from this channel awesomeness!

[@mitchschutter4302]

I think back-up RDS is pretty cool unless there is falling snow. In those conditions, my friends and I have found that anything with a lens is likely to be caked and filled with snow if the wind blows it off the trees, which it will. We gained a lot of value for backup irons after that.

[@danielsullivan7740]

I swear to god. I’ve been trying to figure out what is better offset or piggyback at 12 o’clock and I was hoping for a video to come out. I was literally just thinking about this earlier this morning.

[@normwilson117]

“weaponized geometry”..its been that way for me since middle school. truly appreciate your thoughts and perspective.

[@jakeblasdel3454]

Offset is great as you said for shooting urban prone or with night vision. The Valhalla RUKH is the bees knees. Using one with a RMR on my noveske 13.7” SPR and a credo 1-8 as a main optic.

[@jacobzirkle9153]

What height did you go with

[@jakeblasdel3454]

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[@orion45acp]

Appreciate the review. This is a topic I was interested in learning more about. Thank you.

[@nickst-jean9023]

Hell yeah thanks for putting this out man! I was grilling you about this a few weeks back on insta haha

[@johnm5131]

I like the 12 o'clock for house clearing. It reminds me of a tall-mount Aimpoint T-1/T-2. I rarely have a cheek weld when opening doors, so the transition to sighting is more natural to me. You can pretty much see your dot in the low-ready, so as they say, "you're there"

[@swarbrickjesse]

I like the Top mount dot bc it allows me to still roll the rifle, but into my dominant (left) eye. I seem to be able to keep a decent cheek weld as well.

[@JimmyJones206]

Thanks again for sharing with us and letting us know what you think!!!!!!!!

[@aidenlee364]

Last video and exactly the one I needed

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[@noneyabidness196]

This video is coming out right on time for me. I am doing a 3x acog with a acro on a 45 degree offset.

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[@gatlinggunlover]

I just recently piggybacked an acro on my acog.

[@axemurdereriamnot]

Have you considered using 12o'clock mount, and rolling the rifle 45° to place the MRDS in front of the NON-dominant eye? This preserves the cheekweld from the magnified optic. This is one of the strengths of shooting RDS sights with both eyes open.

[@SageDynamics]

It might for some, but they would be in a minority. There’s also parallax to consider and the processing delay from dominant to non-dominant.

[@Arkancide]

I use the canted RDS on my AR10 to supplement my 3-12x scope. It was spot on with no adjustment needed, and transitions are fast and intuitive. The only reason I see people successfully argue for the 12 o'clock position is for night vision use. I ain't rich, and don't have NVGs, hence it isn't for me.

[@11superstar1997]

45° is definitely the move for GPR's and battle rifles. The only exception, with much debate of course is the piggybacking red dot on an ACOG. Outside of that, an LPVO or regular power scope with 12 o'clock red dot is great for special purpose rifles such as a DMR, or heavier guns that are not designed to be as maneuverable, but instead stationary. The 12 o'clock dot on a SPR/DMR is useful for quick sight acquisition at distance and unexpected combat engagements between locations. It is simply a tool to bail you out under certain conditions to give you a better chance at survivability. If you're not going to be running and gunning or on the front lines, 12 o'clock is a great option if you can get used to it. 45° is perfect for quickness and effectiveness under stress, as well as shooting from unconventional positions

[@arapahoetactical7749]

Great vid. I set up a rifle with a VLPO a couple of years ago and I'd never seen one with a red dot back up before but it just made sense to me so I did it and like you, I went with a 45 offset. Most of the RDS s I've seen in use and on catalog sites show them in the 12 o'clock and I tried it, but it just felt awkward and for me to reach that high, I had to open my mouth to even get a chin weld. The 45 makes so much sense and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.

[@30wrdy]

Good luck in your future endeavors brother. Your insights will be missed here

[@calholli]

I've heard that running top mount is better for passive NOD's.. and that's probably right, but the canted is by far the better position for anything without NOD's. I even have a few rifles rigged with canted irons, and even they work great and are quick to transition to. (edit: of coarse you mention that in the video, I should have just waited. lol)

[@thomaszhang3101]

Sage, offset red dot and LPVO vs Red dot and magnifier, which is better for which situation? Which is better for a 10.5 inch build?

[@alfredjr2k556]

Happy New Year, Dynamics!

[@sparda1123]

Had to pause the video to comment on the "Reset type situation" mega BASED.

[@JimmyJones206]

That’s why you have dynamics in your name because you explain the dynamics to the solutions of the problems

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[@ajcj1970]

while researching running a secondary red dot, I came across some information indicating, that if you wound run a red dot at the 12:00 oclock position, then during transition, cant the rifle as if you would aquiring a traditionaly mounted 45 degree setup, youre non dominant eye would pick up the 12:00 oclock mounted red dot with a significantly lower "chin weld". I personally was surprised at the results. Any thoughts on this?

[@oo-ru5lt]

One overlooked point is if you regularly switch scopes, an offset red dot with a separate mount can just stay on the rifle.

[@at3619]

Aaron I wish you a happy send off from KZbin. I've gained a lot of knowledge from your training and reviews over the years. On a side note, if you are creating videos for Patreon, why wouldn't you just post them on KZbin and see what happens??? Good luck in your ventures Sir.

[@citronmetalworks]

I like you! I like the way you present this topic. new sub. Thanks for your insight! I like my 45 deg irons. However. im going to look at the swampfox Hostile engagement mount and the liberty red dot.

[@Andino.]

I will love to see a test on the new Cyelee brand, is a really budge MPRD brand that apparently is as tough as it gets. The owner apparently used to work for a reputable pistol red dot brand and now is doing his own thing so will love to see how it goes

[@leeross3950]

Showing your age with the "Toys-R-Us " kids reference. Keep up the great content. Always look forward to your uploads to include the annual bourbon reviews.

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[@ArizonaAstraLLC]

Excellent video, I am myself one that prefers a 35° offset (offset optics in general since 2019, started with 45°, but I see the reasoning behind both. I think having a top mounted/piggyback or whatever mount, like an RMR on a VCOG or ACOG, makes sense if the weapon is going to be kind of mass-issued, like in the Marines. And specifically, this has to do with the fact that it's much easier for the armorers to bolt on a bunch of RMRs on top of 30,000 infantry rifles' main optics, and zero them, as opposed to 1) buying a shit ton of offset mounts from Arisaka or T.Rex Arms (very likely exceeds their manufacturing capacity in a realistic time frame), 2) now you have two things to mount, being the optic to the mount, and the mounted optic to the rifle, and 3) zeroing it. Offset optics are not fun to zero, but having a simple piggyback optic takes all the headache out of it other than determining what distance you're going to mark for your zero.

[@nikos6220]

The stabilization problem with the cheek weld on the 12 o’clock would be even more pronounced on a more powerful cartridge like a 7.62x51 due to recoil and weight of the system

[@Sheppard2030]

Thank you for this valuable information.

[@sempergummy5469]

I will miss seeing your videos in my KZbin feed. It’s like seeing that favorite color skittle mixed in with the other ones. This was the first channel I ever subbed.

[@elijahanderson6736]

I run a dot on my acog. Its definitely something to get use too. It’s my primary rifle with my MAWL for NV. I can run the acog up close pretty fast too. Prone and dot is doable. I can’t shoot 2-300 yards with it but it’s not my primary choice. Offset is super fast and recoil control is better.

[@BMAN2686]

Have you tried just rolling your rifle, like with a 45 offset? I do that with my ACOG and piggy back RDS, it puts the red dot perfectly in line with my left eye. You can use it for snapping between RDS and magnified just like the 45 offset. Bonus is when shooting in unconventional positions, you still have the benefit of both sight being in line.

[@musicman1eanda]

I'm considering doing a 12 o'clock dot for passive aiming with nods only. No day time use unless my Razor 1-6 somehow goes down.

[@Highway9mm]

God speed Sage Dynamics! I will sub to your patreon when I get a real job.

[@T20-c8f]

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[@bryanduchane2371]

They should have been a priority well before he decided to take his content private, if you were to ask me. I will never understand how someone survives without me a steady form of enough income from a job..... Please do tell us how your doing it!!!

[@Highway9mm]

You make a good point but such is life. Had a long career in an industry I hate. Then became a dad, priorities changed to availability over salary. Plus covid, company moved outta state and so on. Long story short, I’m blessed with a sugar mama that puts up with my shit.

[@brandongough4766]

Excellent analysis, my thoughts are the same.

[@_Delta_P_]

I think you show multiple ways of doing things and you just go with what everyone each wants to do. I actually run 3 sights. I have my 5x prism with my piggy back rds. But I also have backup canted sights that I can also use as a primary canted option. Our modern kit is fantastic for not only backups but think of it as multiple primary sighting options.

[@textme953]

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[@whiskeyonetwoactual1116]

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[@dhholsters]

Great video but I have always had the question in my head about the 45 mount. What if you have to change shoulders in a situation?

[@MrRyushinn]

Thanks for the info I'm set on 12oclock for the acog on a x95. The 35/45 cant on the gun is too weird.

[@MR.G-417]

I'm gonna miss you on KZbin. Hello Patreon!

[@johnw4999]

I probably put too much thought in to my AR setups, but I try to keep them as ambidextrous as possible… even though during the GWOT I never really used a M4 ambidextrously. For me, it’s about having options available… That’s why it’s hard for me to use the 45 offset… and I don’t want two on my rifles, lol

[@texasranger24]

One valid consideration is to use your 12 o'clock piggypack red dot as a canted sight as well, just with your other eye. It certainly takes some time to get used to, and to reliably find the dot, but it's a great option if you want the extreme height for night vision, but no chinweld at daytime.

[@swiftaudi]

Right I agree. But you have to know point of aim if you angle it like this.

[@texasranger24]

@@swiftaudi well, you just turned giraffe optic tower into canted, cross-eyed giraffe optic. So you better figure out how to use it.

[@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs]

Just mounted an red dot on an acog and almost went to the 45 degree off set which is quick, but I hate things hanging off my gun like that, so I experimented with using it canted with my other eye and I find it just as fast and much better than raising my head which I found much harder to find the dot and did not feel right.

[@1AbominAble1]

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[@robertfoote3255]

Love that UTube is pushing out older Sage Dynamics videos....let's me re like the ones they have throttled and recycle this his Outstanding content to the masses.

[@goawaybaizuo]

Hey Bud, Can you do some reviews on the Griffin Dual-lok cans? Would love to see a HRT, DL5, and DL7 Review. There's no info out there about them. Thanks!

[@user-ij9sh1tf9d]

Another point to add to this topic; it is very firearm-dependent. For example, using a canted RDS setup on an AK is usually a no-go because the shooter will hit their hand on the optic and/or its mount when pulling the bolt carrier back.

[@WoodrowWoods2007]

Being an aged military man, shooting the M16A4 or M4 and wearing a gas mask, we’re taught to rotate the gun, so thats what I’m used to, therefore I went with the 45 offset option.

[@vernonasian]

When this man speaks, listen

[@RADIOACTIVEBUNY]

Another way to look at it: Your red dot can either be married to an optic or to a weapon. 12 o'clock vs. offset. This is a consideration if you do a lot of swapping optics. How important? I don't know, but it's there.

[@WearilyCorrect]

There are mounts that have a dedicated 45 offset. Might be more spendy though.

[@MotoJB]

Well done video...astute input. Agreed overall. 45 offsets on all my LVPO setups. Easier and faster for me.

[@22leggedsasquatch]

For the right-handed; the red dot could be off-set on the left of the rifle instead of the right side. This would permit a stronger left arm pisition, shoot close to the ground lying either on your right or left sides.

[@andreasr6632]

Another advantageous aspect of a secondary RDS at 12 is that it can be used for passive aiming with NV.

[@a2ztacticalacademy]

Excellent opinion

[@Element_punk]

12 O' clock is great for long range high magnification guns, it allows you to not need to dial down to change targets.

[@armstrong2052]

I've been wanting to try eotech + magnification

[@fonta_zilla2753]

I like to think of both optics as a “primary”. I’m in the 12’oclocks. Dependent on situation will dictate which optic you use as your “primary”. If you’re doing cqb type stuff, you’d probably want a high mounted red dot, for longer distances you’d want a magnified optic with good cheek weld . I’m surprised there wasn’t much mention of night vision, seeing that you shoot a good bit of it. I feel passive aiming with 12oclock is way better than canted. Granted a lot of mrds don’t have great light transmission for passive aiming, some do a pretty good job. And adding supplemental IR illum. can remedy the issue.

[@fog8969]

That makes sense to me as a good way to look at it, a sensible option. What would your HOB be for the RDS? My existing mounts put mine at I think 3.3" HOB already. I'm guessing and RDS on top of that would be close to 5".

[@kalrodwick]

I run a canted back-up on my recce rifle. More so that its off the same line as my primary optic. I can do a quick roll of the gun to pick it up works for me.

[@ArimaKihe1]

Great video! Question - would a 45 degree RDS offset mount push more gas in the face (especially when suppressed) as opposed to a 12 o clock mount? Cheers

[@douglasschneider9127]

I use a 12oclock almost exclusively for passive aiming under nods, to that extent I don't really regard them as backups just an alternate sighting system. I even use... *gasp* an open emitter! Yeah shocking, but in several field problems have yet to encounter any fuckups with it

[@swiftaudi]

What about shoulder transitions how do you transition to the other shoulder and use an offset dot?

[@talicowart9577]

Having played with an AUG for a few months, I've been digging the 12oclock position, but I do think it requires a bit of a different philosophy. For a general purpose rifle, I use the piggyback RDS as the primary and then use the LPVO as the secondary. It does involve moving the LPVO a tad lower, but it puts the RDS in a good heads up position. Regardless, for a piggyback RDS, you need to do whatever you can yo get the RDS to be as low as possible to reduce the height over bore and some mounts are just not built for that.

[@chiefro7]

“Reset type situation” such an eloquent savage

[@quayshawndameron1349]

OMFG thank you Jesus your the first person on KZbin I've seen use the shooting from cover drill that's actually in cover not protruding it blowing said cover. Sorry if I sound douche but I hate seeing that as a combat vet. Question for guys though, why red dot offset over iron sights, especially CQC? I understand speed but wouldn't the battery/tech aspect of a red dot be a liability? Genuine question.

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[@rung1915]

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[@whiskeyonetwoactual1116]

Great run down

[@kyrinbingaman2810]

Gonna be bummed to see you leaving KZbin. Have you ever considered utilizing the shorts feature KZbin has added to stay on the platform that would help drive traffic to the Patreon?

[@StefanSu91]

I'll be PC and say it is probably subjective. With that out of the way, I find the canted way to be ridiculous. The argument that with 12 you have to change your cheek weld, but then, they have to readjust their "butt weld", which imo is WAY worse. The time it takes me to readjust my cheek weld is probably half of the stock. Just unnecessary and ugly and it gets in the way of my shirt and/or body armor. Second, at close distance where you'd be using your dot, chances are having a stable rifle "weld" is more important than your cheek weld. At really close distance in CQB you won't even be looking through anything but where you're pointing at. And last rant, if you need a high mounted magnified optic then chances are you are being redundant. If you don't shoot prone very much you probably don't shoot far if ever. At that point just leave it on 1x. Canted is a fad.

[@speedyd8150]

"reset type situation". I like that.

[@LovEyDuBB]

I run ACOG 4x32 and an RMR on an ADM 33° offset mount and use my RMR as the primary.

[@robertgatewood514]

Getting ready to start my 12 o clock offset gun. Main optic is a 2.5-10 in a 1.54 so we'll see what ends up working

[@trevorr8834]

Left handed so I figured a condition one 45 degree mounted on the left side would be good. Unfortunately my MCX ejected the brass directly on my right deltoid. Still have the burn scars to prove it.

[@matthewconnor5483]

I remember when the ACOG with a red dot on top came out it seemed like it was too tall to shoot comfortably and the transition was always awkward.