RDS VS LPVO Rifle Optics for CQB Distances

[@Visual217]

"I'm gonna change minds and change hearts" Holy fuckin shit the banter is amazing. Love this vid.

[@Kain8719]

I literally LOled at that one. And he right too. It also the shit where I hear from "instructors" that "rds is slower at closer range than irons." and pretty much same shit covered here too. I need to buy the man a drink, and take a class because I do want to get some carbine shit in soon.

[@cliffarnold7463]

I choked on my coffee and immediately shared the video with my buddies. Another great video from Sage Dynamics/Aaron.

[@ryeguymac]

I want this in a T-shirt!!!

[@pauls8304]

He needs to make the tshirt

[@delta_papa]

The level of detail, methodical logic and unbiased data Aaron brings to the table is unmatched. Well done, Sir.

[@cardboard_shaft]

def wouldn’t say unbiased

[@ABowlofPho]

"I'm never gonna be attacked by a nickel." You say that, but when the Great Nickel Revolt happens and threatens to bring an end to mankind, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.

[@CarlosHathweiner]

birdshot

[@ACGBLR]

This is why I have youtube, for comments like this!

[@WoodrowWoods2007]

“Well, I’ve never been attacked by a nickel, so there’s that…” LOL

[@justinm7961]

I’m still laughing on and off from that 😂

[@aahhronismyname8068]

Obviously mr Cowan never met magneto yet lol. Just kidding. But that was some funny shit 😆

[@lanceskopik2928]

Shoot Aaron I’m gonna use that forever. That was funny, and true

[@joegasparro2395]

The addition of the graphics is awesome. Great job man, the most educational channel in the gun community. I know when I was a noob, I had no idea what any of the firearms community language meant, so those graphics are very valuable for the noobs.

[@Rbzqv]

Your attention to nuance and practical application is unparalleled. Much appreciated.

[@theclipazinecowboy8124]

Me: “I’m just so much slower with a LPVO at 1x at close distances, therefore I prefer the dot for up close.” Also me: *has almost 10k rounds through one build with one red dot, has only tried the LPVO for 100-200 rounds max* Wild how the “whatever you train with, you get good with” principle comes true.

[@geezerp1982]

the stop mugging yourself off and use an LPVO with the same amount of rounds with the red dot then compare them! i find LPVO better then a red dot because i dont just do only CQB , but also medium and long range . the LPVO such as night force does is not slower then a red dot

[@theclipazinecowboy8124]

@@geezerp1982 9 months later, I’ve found that the acog and offset dot is king for me

[@bravo6959]

@@theclipazinecowboy8124 based setup

[@theclipazinecowboy8124]

@@bravo6959 you’re a king 🫡

[@harryazzole7814]

At the end of the day the answer is Eotech.

[@CaptainCreampie69]

“If you own it, you should check it yourself.” Best quote ever. It’s ridiculous that people come onto KZbin to check a review of a product they own and hope for what they want to hear. These are the same people that like smelling their own farts.

[@RickDeckard2049]

Hey my farts smell gooooood

[@ImOldGregg]

* toots *

[@gunsandcommissions]

C'mon Erick....you know darn well that you like the smell of your own farts just as much as the rest of us.

[@jacklewis3444]

And here you are

[@YourMom-ii7ed]

Smelling my own farts is ecstasy.

[@ryanweiss1721]

A fun experiment is to close your front scope cap of your LVPO and have the reticle illuminated and shoot the rifle using bindon aiming. It really shows how much scope shadow mattets within 25 yards.

[@winstonsmiths2449]

Two classic statements: 1. "I am never going to be attacked by a nickel" 2. "I'm going to change hearts and change minds" A-A-Ron (homage to Key and Peele) is such a knowledgeable instructor and knows how to transfer information to anyone willing to listen

[@deadheart556]

Never thought I'd see the day when Aaron would say too much data.

[@seang1032]

I thought Data was his middle name 🤔

[@MyLonewolf25]

No such thing

[@OneD33pTX]

Uhhh lol

[@smith8124]

Came here to say this about “…an overly comprehensive data set.” 🤣

[@jpat2493]

I've known enough Marines who ran ACOGs for CQB who would love the eye relief on an LPVO.

[@2ndTierShooter]

VCOGs inbound

[@kenn_dang]

You could use a Weapon Outfitters KRAM spacer that’ll bring the acog further back and raise it a bit making it easier to shoot with

[@TheTerriblePilot]

Former 0311 here. My tango 6t on a 1.54 feels almost exactly like my acog did when I was in. The only difference is they taught us there was no such thing as too little eye relief with the acog.

[@MF-Rell]

I forgot what the technique is called but it works.

[@jpat2493]

@@MF-Rell Bindon Aiming Concept

[@CRinJersey]

Aaron that was genius the way you showed where the dot was in your view Thanks for the content brother

[@damagedgoods62]

Thanks Aaron. Great review and visits topics that most casual shooters don't understand and sometimes don't even know to inquire about. Love that you visited the parallax topic.

[@TerribleShooter]

As a new shooter and getting to know my weapons systems, I really enjoyed this comparison video. I chose a LPVO for my DD AR and it was cool/informative/educational to see the potential with it. Especially through practice.

[@inlandbhsk8r]

I was thinking this was just gonna be another video discussing pros/cons and opinions on both for CQB. I love that there are real applicable tests going on. You killed it again dude.

[@texasranger24]

I think it's fair to say that red dots/ holographics are faster and easier for beginners and people who don't do a lot of practice and dryfire. You should, and that will certainly help level the playing field with LPVOs, but especially from awkward positions you can get awkward aim with a scope. You should try both and know your intended use, but generally a red dot is superior if it's actually only for CQB. Also, reticle illumination / battery life is something to consider. I like Holosun and Olight (Chinesium, i know) because of the ease to keep them running.

[@Nontacticalboy]

Lets put it this way, I'm a sound engineer, i once recorded an AWESOME bassist, he brought a squire fender, which is the cheaper base model, and he made that bass sound extremely good, i mean he could make any bass sounds good. So at the end of the day, its always the man behind the equipment.

[@jpat2493]

"I'm going to change minds and change hearts."

[@musicman1eanda]

🤣

[@matthew.patten]

This is the best video of yours on a non-review item. Totally appreciate you and all that you contribute. Please keep it up

[@iornlint]

That bit where you said "that guy knows his shit" really got me. Ive never hear anyone but you talk about IR laser reflection off of a FSB or other piece of kit, because they don't actually know and just mount their stuff anywhere it looks cool. You mount it as far forward for that reason. You know. And thank you for sharing with us

[@adamb2619]

A true expert is always one that knows there is more to know. Awesome video and so many topics are well stated.

[@stephen_crumley]

Well at least I know I wasn’t completely off the path when going through my decision of which optic to throw on my 11.5 & I’m beyond happy with the 36 yard zero and the simplicity of the reticle and point of aim/point of impact from point blank out to 300. Very very satisfied with my Eotech 512

[@hudsonjacob94]

I've run both on my 11.5 and off a timer I'm almost identical. It helps that I've done a lot of dry fire with the lpvo but it feels better to use it under white light than red dot for me. Decision really came down to with where I live, which is very rural, so if something happened the gun will fill the jobs I need it to close or out to a little range. For reference I run the steiner P4Xi and the dot is perfect in the daylight

[@MobileAura]

I would never use an LPVO because of my fragile frail hands and arms cannot handle such a heavy scope.

[@Orcus1030]

I've got the same setups and I can't agree more. The Steiner has an excellent red dot, and I prefer it at night (white light doesn't blow out the illumination since it's an etched reticle).

[@Humonic]

I'm in the same boat Aaron. I use a Dot because of NOD compatibility. But I would 100% switch to an LPVO if NOD's weren't apart of the equations. Only real down side I see is the increased weight. Any who, great vid, as always!

[@superdacoolman]

Weight and reliability. The scopes have had to have been sent in for repair. The T2 will just work and if it doesn’t you have co-witness irons. I have been going back and forth on a Armageddon .556 setup. Red dot and fixed co witness irons win so far. Keep a Leica Monovid Monocular 8x 20mm in a pocket for id’ing targets. Not gonna engage target +3-400 meters. Need a sniper rig for that work anyway so that’s when you bust out the rig out of your snipers bag.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

I’ve tried a 1-4 and a 1-6 on my home defense 11.5” AR because I like the versatility. I ended up going back to a simple red dot mostly because I can leave the dot on all the time. Longest shot I have in my house is 40’ and the dot is just easier for me.

[@sammuse1619]

Yes. That’s where a red dot excels. If you don’t need the magnification, why have the weight and eyebox??

[@GldenRetriever]

I don't know about you, but if I am using my LPVO in my house, I will either be able to see my black reticle due to the daylight coming through the windows, the lights above me, or my WML pointed at their body.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

@Jesse Robinson quality red dots like Trijicon and Aimpoint are extremely reliable. Battery life is around 3 years on medium but i change it yearly. And if all else fails, I have backup iron sights.

[@mantis_toboggan_md]

@Jesse Robinson In a CQB type environment, you can essentially just box your target in through your optic, even it it's dead. Also, most CQB type environments aren't really going to warrant the use of the optic too much. In close enough quarters, you should be able to basically just aim down the barrel.

[@f16grinch3]

I’m NOT going to use the comment section to yak about what I do. Nobody should care. Just want to say thanks for the vids. Informative, thorough and appropriately sarcastic. You edify my knowledge.

[@dansmajd4105]

You put out incredibly informative and educative content, Aaron. Hope to train with you soon.

[@CoryHobbs2178]

Love me a good Sage video. Personally I do not think the LPVO can never be as good as a red dot for CQB or especially indoors. Which is why I run both with an offset red dot

[@The10thManRules]

You "ran" a red dot with an offset red dot? Sir?

[@the-sj3vq]

@@The10thManRules Your dubmsas needs to read more book, sir.

[@sambegley9966]

Wow did you even watch the video bud

[@The10thManRules]

@@the-sj3vq Explain yourself. You see. disoriented and out of your lane. I see a DUI in your immediate future.

[@CoryHobbs2178]

@@The10thManRules LMAO really? LPVO with an offset red dot. But my favorite setup is a red dot with offset LPVO or offset ACOG

[@kdworak4754]

It would be an understatement to call your channel underrated. Thank you.

[@hawkins71]

Great topic and vid!!! Mr. Cowan has a way of sharing knowledge and insight that are immeasurable.

[@seanoneil277]

Superb. Really appreciate the picture w/in picture showing the reticle and shadow/offset/parallax. Seemed to me your accuracy, at least in the tests shot for this video, favored the crosshairs of the LPVO. I'd also guess you have much more time on the LPVO than most of us average folks who are choosing, or have chosen, between RDS & LPVO. Thanks Aaron, really appreciate the learned, experienced & critical thoughts you give us here.

[@CharlieMikeNS]

The biggest advantage of a red dot over a 1x LPVO in my mind is shooting from awkward positions. Under and around barricades specifically. Trying to shoot under a barricade with an LPVO can be tricky. Possible, but not as easy as a red dot.

[@yuhaoliao2770]

True

[@jaychen8605]

Don’t forget weight

[@ryanpeck3377]

100%

[@FalloutNewVegasMods44]

only advantage of red dot is no cheek weld. which you should always try to have. red dot useful for use with gas and ballistic masks

[@CharlieMikeNS]

@@FalloutNewVegasMods44 False. I literally highlighted several advantages. Awkward positions, low light, night vision, weight, durability. Go shoot a brutality style match where you have to shoot from awkward positions. Go to a range with a v-tac barricade and compare LPVO and red dot side by side, it's definitely doable with an LPVO, but it's easier and faster with a red dot. LPVO's start becoming advantageous past 100 yards, but red dots are capable of making easy hits out to 400 on known targets. The biggest advantage of an LPVO is target identification at range. I use an LPVO on my 16" competition gun, and a red dot on my 11.5" home defense gun.

[@brandentyree1696]

This man needs more subscribers. He’s an absolute wealth of knowledge! Love your videos Aaron!

[@samprasfoon06]

I love the "what kind of accuracy you're looking at..?" question very much. It's the question that I always get into an argument with local instructors in my country too cuz I don't believe in hitting a nickel every single time at whatever range. Thank you for this. The 4x6 is good. I'll adjust my training to it.

[@mathiasbarot2243]

Thank you so much for all your videos, and all the knowledge transmitted. It's really very enjoyable, especially here in France where the possibilities are much less !

[@Quality_Guru]

Thanks for sharing and imparting your knowledge with us.

[@thomasholmes9765]

As a casual viewer, I congratulate you for giving one of the best and most informative videos ever on basics of CQB optics of any channel on this topic. Your demonstration also points out why "older eyes" switch to red dots over iron sights. Target focus vs sight post focus.

[@1stmardivgrunt314]

Always appreciate your detail and perspective. For what it’s worth 😆(probably not much): When I put an AR together last year. My first since 1976; my end product, excluding brand name, was the exact same configuration. This was based on: Vietnam era Marine infantry experience and Hunting experience. But mostly “OG” physical issues. ie; bad eyes, bad joints, can’t move for shit anymore. So ultimately working with a home defense/coyote gun in a 1-10 ffp, LVPO and a 45 degree offset RDS gave me the same results. Even shooting off hand. For comparison btw I use a 36yd zero on the LVPO and a 25yd zero on RDS. That gives me a 4x6/2x4 hit using a 12 o’clock hold on anything indoors with either optic. Used your videos switching from irons to a RDS pretty much exclusively. Thanks for the helping the “OG’s”!!!!

[@gunner76]

Great video! You are very down to earth and usually answer questions I have without knowing!

[@danielpickard8294]

Aaron, thank you for an outstanding video! The demonstrations are fantastic!

[@Jerkasaur]

Great video and it might not be a big deal but I would have liked to see a second focal plane as well like the vudu 1-8 to see if FFP and SFP have any major difference in the test

[@solomonkane223]

One of the more informative videos out there. Nicely done.

[@davysimanjaya8324]

best presentation on the topic! Thank you for pointing me to the right direction

[@coreysuttles1362]

Hell yea new sage video!!!

[@richardefriend]

Bottom line: LPVO plus a RDS, for CQB and longer range capability without having to change anything. Personally, I prefer my RDS on top of the LPVO, since I don't like tilting my rifle and prefer just to raise my head a bit (keeping my rifle's butt firmly in my shoulder's pocket). But to each their own. Great video, BTW.

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@davidpettorini7736]

Really appreciated this. Also like to see Solgw getting some love. I just purchased a14.5 and I like it as much or more than my DD4. Great shooting rifles.

[@ACGBLR]

Really enjoy your videos. Your reduced target reminds me of German accuracy target used for their Kar98s for their snipers. It was a playing card which was approximately a 2x4 size for one hundred meters. Just thought that was something cool to see.

[@juansimon5802]

its all about training and the skill u have. i can run through a shoot house with no sights on my stick at all and score good clean FAST hits.Train train and then train some more especially if this is your profession because you owe it to the people to be proficient in your craft. great video brother,as always.

[@GoonBae]

This man will not only tell you the truth but put facts behind it. I've never watched any content from @SageDynamics and not taken something valuable from it. Thanks a million times over for what you do my man.

[@ng-hf3dr]

Thank you for your time on this subject. I appreciate your well articulative explanation with visual aids…. Well done

[@bobotea1234]

dude ive been literally trying to find this concise information all week, its a miracle thanks

[@justinm7961]

Best advice ever, “verify what I’m telling you”. While that is incredibly good advice, I believe anything that that he says will, at the least, lead you in the right direction 100% of the time. For me, he is one of the most trustworthy people out here in video land.

[@paulyp9853]

but still verify it

[@hopewilliams6705]

I'm excited to hear your objective take on this subject!

[@freddyvicaire6777]

Great video thanks! I think those results are amazing! I've been guilty of taking to long sometimes making sure my sight picture is perfect even at closer ranges and it hurts my speed sometimes. Its cool to know I can speed it up a bit if I accidentally snap up with a bit of shadow at close range I can send it n not waste precious time in a even where milliseconds could mean living or back to the mud! Love your content! Thanks for the great video!

[@biggus8825]

Been running an acog with an rmr on a 45 degree mount for years and it works at all ranges that I need. Also works with nods.

[@charleslackey6275]

Excellent graphic illustration of basic principles.

[@stevedo18able]

I’ve tried 5x with a rds on top, lpvo, 3x and 6x magnifiers, almost the whole 9 yards. People should definitely try out their own gear themselves for rock solid ,”this is for me/this ain’t for me.” Far as the topic of your video; red dots get the job done better imo, if it’s strictly cqb, but it doesn’t mean a lpvo is inferior. Once you have to get outside cqb distances; you’re gonna wish you had a lpvo on many occasions. If you have the luxury of having multiple setups and knowing your scenario…pick the right tool for the job… I’ve settled on primary arms’ 2x prism. I really enjoy the pros and cons, compared to other setups, and my realistic expectations . 1x red dot is master of cqb, while lpvo is jack of all trades.

[@adamg574]

I ended up going with an eotech exps3-4 with the new 5x magnifier. Love it. Kinda best of both worlds. Only downside is battery life which I don’t like for potential “shtf” or “worl” scenarios.

[@stevedo18able]

@@adamg574 that's why I ended up with a Prism sight, specifally by Primary Arms (the features). Shake awake is a must for me; as I like to leave it at the higher settings so that my modlite indoors won't wash out the illumination. But also the prism is perfectly useable even if the illumination washes out. You should give their 1x prism a try. It won't be as clear as a red dot w/ a magnifier, but maybe you won't mind the trade off

[@adamg574]

@@stevedo18able I actually have astigmatism so I’ve been meaning to try those prisms for a while. Eotech is pretty fuzzy and so are red dots.

[@skyhop]

I hope you add onto this with an acog or an elcan on 4x. I think people might be surprised how little hinderance the magnification is with a good reticle. The only reason I put an RMR on top of my os4x was for night vision. I just don't think I'm good enough to demonstrate the difference for myself, magnified feels a little more clumsy when going fast but it seems to work out pretty similarly for me.

[@starxlord9856]

Love this guy and all he does and puts out for the community! Me I prefer a re dot with a 3x on the ftc unity mounts. Hard to beat. Lpvo’s have their place for sure but for me 3x seems to be enough.

[@bellicostevet1388]

Aiming in CQC is probably the least important tactic compared to footwork,movement and aggression! also clear mind that comes from experience and confidence if you don't have experience build confidence through training!

[@callmecamo2]

But what if you're attacked by a quarter? The term is "close quarters "... I'll show myself out.

[@michaelpereira808]

Very underrated comment here.

[@musicman1eanda]

Ba dum tish...

[@EasyMoneySG]

I love it when a guy who knows a bunch about a subject imparts knowledge, but also says his knowledge isnt the be-all-end-all, and you must determine these truths for yourself.

[@d-unit-outdoors]

Love it. Tons of information and knowledge, no ego.

[@chazharrison9760]

I have a rifle with EOTech and magnifier and also one with a 1-6 lpvo. Both are great but people forget sometimes the LPVO is etched and never moves. so paralax is kind of pointless.....aslong as your close as you said your going to be shooting good enough to hit the center mass shots. Hell most of the time you could probably take all sights off and just eye down barrel at 3,5,7 yards and hit that mark. I have had a home invasion and had to shoot someone, i did not aim hardly at all just a quick pop up and as soon as the dot on EOTech was roughly in the spot the guy was hit. he dropped and the EMT's said he was probably gone within just a few seconds. and honestly it all happened within just 2-3 seconds. I hated having to end a life, but it shows its not got to be a perfect shot. and for my go to i do prefer the EOTech for close up, but i am sure I could be good enough with my Sig Lpvo. it more comes down to me that your somewhat calm and smooth more than the type of sight. Great video man.

[@alabamatrout6985]

Training to change hearts and minds myself. Great content as always, thank you for knowledge. Your channel is very under rated and will get the view counts soon. More drills like the Eleanor please

[@theprepperrevelator]

Fabulous instruction, thanks, Aaron. You Rock, I need to train more with my LPVO. Rick

[@FogCityDude]

Is it me or is it odd this channel only has 145K subs?

[@robbabcock_]

Great video! To be honest I'm more of a RDS guy personally. I don't much shooting out to long distance although I have in the past. I suppose one thing is that there are a lot more budget RDS that I'd trust on a fighting gun vs the cheap LPVOs that are suitable for defense. Although to be honest I could have bought a decent scope for the cost of my Comp M5...

[@gabemorris6692]

Dunning-Kruger and "I'm never going to be attacked by a nickel" in the same video. Love it.

[@True_Patriotx]

I use a LVPO 1-8 on my 16” barrel and a red dot on my 10.3” barrel. I mainly use the 16” because it is my general purpose all around rifle. The 10.3 is my home defense setup shorter barrel for easier movement within the house and the red dot because if I need my home defense rifle it will most likely be at night.

[@jlo1655]

Great vid. Application is key with anything. I have setups for home defense and mid to long range. Offset all day. It’s all about knowing what WORKS for you. I have spoken.

[@evansocks]

I had the same question... so I shot a carbine match with my Razor 1-6 and had zero issue with eyebox (unless it was on 6X instead of 1X), even shooting opposite shoulder around a fault line.

[@dylanjones7473]

"Well...I'm not gonna be attacked by a nickel...first of all..." Freaking gold 😂

[@miletello1]

18:57 the hearts and minds reference was great. 😄

[@ronaldluther324]

This was a helpful video for me considering I was undecided about purchasing a 1x6 Vortex Razor for my new 556 Noveske Infidel. Thanks! 👊🇺🇸🇺🇸💪

[@bryanduchane2371]

DOPE used to stand for Data on previous engagements... Have they changed the acronym?

[@SageDynamics]

Data on personal equipment.

[@bryanduchane2371]

@@SageDynamics Like that definition better..

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

It still stands for that. People have just decided to use it for whatever they want.

[@anon58973]

Very thorough. Good graphics editing. Appreciate your videos. Edit: fantastic ending talking about enthusiast mob. Couldn't agree more in this context as well as many others. There are too many pseudoexperts that are metastasizing across the entire online community in literally every topic. Dunning-Kruger FTL (for the LOSS).

[@2heavyb517]

thanks, good info on a debated topic. know yourself, know your weapon... & train

[@bellicostevet1388]

In my opinion one that comes from actual fairly extensive CQC experience in combat and as a CQC instructor with SO unit is that we should train for perfection far as accuracy and everything but in actual combat it rarely matters. Because one you can literally get buy doing the finger pointing trick for nobies like we used to do when using ACOGS in Fallujah. What matters more is movement and footwork and mainly aggression in CQC fighting. Also experience and little tricks that operators develop once they have been in many close contacts. Things like slicing the corners, putting rounds threw edges were enemy are hiding hooking openings make all the difference and being able to keep your head. The point is if aiming perfection at close doesn't matter that much what are we left with? What's important then? longer ranges being able to ID target's whether when leaving target house or fighting out of ambush being able to correctly see targets and engage at longer ranges. So then we come to the LPVO and the longer ranges it provides and we still have the red dot sight for those cooler CQC settings. I am fairly confident in my ability and experience but if this doesn't make since to you hhhmm?

[@SageDynamics]

Clearly grammar doesn’t matter, either.

[@jacklewis3444]

Red dots may not be faster but they are more forgiving in terms of eye box. IMO a shooter needs to be at a higher skill level to run an lpvo as fast/consistent as a red dot. Also bc of the more forgiving eye box red dots may potentially be faster when shooting from unconventional shooting positions. However, unconventional shooting does not = CQB so that’s an entirely different conversation. However even that will vary from shooter to shooter. That’s just my take.

[@MobileAura]

Exactly in an actual scenario you will never be doing what he did in terms of those drills. He should redo this test with real life examples like under cars/barriers.

[@DD-hz3ts]

See, here's the thing LPVO 1x is fine and dandy working a barricade or on a square range but if moving? I guarantee you LPVO is slower. It's also slower under NV and if you do not have ideal light, and the battery on illum dies MUCH faster. LPVOs are used by SOCOM yes but look at *what* they're putting them on and *what else* is on the gun.

[@apocalypse1175]

I wish more LE agencies would get on board with LPVOs. Seems like a lot are still stuck on the idea of having iron sights.

[@richardthomas6602]

Excellent demonstration but it Beggs the question, at what distance do these extreme misalignments place the bullets outside the 4x6 box?

[@stephenkidder8876]

Very concise and informative video and in my experience you are spot on Sir!

[@hooks4nooks]

Wow... Interesting... Now I know what parallax is. Well done and I appreciate the video. Thanks

[@ColeDedhand]

Knowing what your optic is capable of: Important Knowing what you are capable of: Critical

[@toddk1377]

I myself prefer to run a lpvo more so than a dot. I didn't really like it at first, but once I started to practice a lot with it, I am really good with it. The other issue about some lpvo's is the reticle and ffp/sfp. Some have horrible reticles that doesn't lend itself to be decent for fast cqb shooting but excels at longer range and vice versa. Some are ffp and the reticle is so small, it gets lost on target at one power, thus the shooter second guesses where the reticle is and hesitates to shoot. This is why I really like the sfp ACSS 1-6 lpvo's. The donut of death and the Chevron draws my eye in and is quick and easy to place on target. A lpvo I had before was some other brand and it was ffp. The reticle on one power was okay, but very fine and the illumination was easily washed out so it was of no help. I use to think lpvo's sucked for cqb shooting because of my experience with that particular optic. Once I tried the PA with the ACSS and in sfp, way better results and better experience, thus my confidence grew and my accuracy and speed increased as I pushed myself.

[@sincityvogel]

Great video. I like the point that a LVPO needs to be pushed to a higher standard.

[@dhoits2299]

Wake up babe. New Sage vid just dropped! Also, I ordered a Blue Label Glock 45 MOS and somehow received an MOS5. I can confirm that it’s direct milled for the RMR.

[@dhoits2299]

@Jesse Robinson I think that’s the MOS3. My box says MOS5, and the pistol that came in said box direct mounts my RMR.

[@jasminebebe3455]

I love all my optics... My Razor has a super generous eye box and daylight bright dot but it is a hell of a lot heavier than my Aimpoint lol.

[@SierraNovemberGroup]

Excellent video. Great information and very well presented.

[@Thunderbolt22A10]

I've ran red dots for years but after seeing your content and wanting to expand my capabilities I'm trying an LPVO

[@thomaszhang3101]

Hello, Sage Dynamics. If you are to choose optic for an urban environment 0-200m engagement range, with potential 300m engagement, will you go with a LPVO with offset red dot, or will you go with a red dot and magnifier?

[@laskalives]

My greatest fear were nickels how dare you.

[@SageDynamics]

The nickel lies to you. It tells you it’s a quarter. It’s not.

[@mtnyoda]

I recently picked up a swamp fox arrowhead 1-10 and have really enjoyed it. I use the ADM mount. For the dollars spent I am very pleased. I really enjoyed this video and always like the content from your channel. It’s reliable data.

[@geebeaux]

Pretty decent & thorough experiment. I think both lvpo & red dots are amazing for cqb. Point shooting is also VERY fast (paintball experience only vs live humans) and effective with some practice.

[@themightycrixus1131]

These people would be mad if they had to use a marker with no sights haha that's how the G's do it

[@Cmoth040]

Shooting something with a rifle at room clearing range gives you a LOT of leeway for what is called center mass. "I'll never get attacked by a nickle". Perfect.

[@StevePro2A]

Holy editing. That video must have been a real pain to edit. Good data, thanks!

[@timw.9139]

Most close contact with rifle or pistol would be instinctive shooting. If you train you will put the bullet within a plate sized area. More situational awareness than looking through any site. When I shot in IDPA the sights were only used when distance called for it. I have a LPVO, but in a CQB scenario I would not be looking through the scope.

[@johndavis7112]

Excellent presentation