Ohio Family Massacre: Next Trial in One of State’s Biggest Murders

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00:00 Opening Statements with Julie Grant 03:37 NYC Subway Woman Burned Update 14:56 Pizza Delivery Stabbing 20:25 Christmas Arizona Shooting 25:22 Billy Wagner's Upcoming Trial 35:38 Luigi Mangione's Defense Fund Watch 'Opening Statements with #JulieGrant' Weekday Mornings ONLY on #CourtTV MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/trials/opening-statements-with-julie-grant/?

[@jaknap1]

Regarding the subway, it’s amazing that bystanders can just calmly stand around and not do anything.

[@karenjones137]

Right!? That's the scariest part.

[@NotMoriarty1]

Well, if someone would’ve stopped, the guy they might’ve ended up on trial for their life like Penny did.

[@karenjones137]

@@NotMoriarty1 Nobody even tried to put the fire out. No weapon is needed to save a life

[@daemonchan]

@@karenjones137 And what? Risking the attacker putting some gasoline on you too? Ain't nobody doing anything after Penny's trial.

[@karenjones137]

@daemonchan that's what's wrong with our country. It may be that way in NYC and other big cities, but where I live, in the south, one person's life is worth taking risks. One day it may be one of your family members that get ignored

[@theresarasche3173]

I’m appalled by the bystanders who didn’t try to help that poor woman 😢😮💔

[@NotMoriarty1]

Well, hell, they might end up in court on trial for their very life. Why would they help?

[@julesthecat.]

@@NotMoriarty1what do you mean?

[@mmay6621]

@@NotMoriarty1 100%. We all saw where helping others can get you.

[@MetalRaven1982]

@@mmay6621 You won’t end up in court as long as you don’t choke someone out for 6mins. But you can put flames out on a helpless burning person! It’s saving a life, not choking one out. That’s why he ended up in court. It totally sucks but …🤷🏼‍♀️

[@berlindamoustafa1887]

Think daniel penny

[@anitagendler3812]

Our world has gone mad with so many evil acts being committed! 😢

[@Katrina-qs2rl]

The glorification of this by certain media outlets doesn't help.

[@keithwilliams4247]

Yep, take God out of our schools and look what happens.

[@anitagendler3812]

@ agreed!

[@Indiartworks]

9 years is an absolutely ridiculous amount of time for a trial to occur! These people should all have gotten no possible plea deals!

[@rebeculus]

Well Billy is the one whose trial still hasn’t happened. The plea deals happened ages ago.

[@SpandexSuperstarr]

Angela should have a longer sentence. She was the one who pushed for the murders.

[@Jim_Bag]

NYC is an absolute hell hole right now

[@omayrasdemesne]

born and raised in NYC. left in 2015. It's crazy how I got out just in time.

[@Katrina-qs2rl]

Yup. I've got no intention of ever going there again. Or San Francisco, Seattle, Portland. It's time to throw out leadership. How bad do things have to be before the voters rebel?

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

That poor woman. RIP 💐 (subway victim)

[@cinnabae6127]

That man knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to go to prison. He'll have a roof over his head, nice bed, 3 meals a day. It's a million times better for him than freezing on the streets in NYC, eating out of rat-infested dumpsters. To a homeless person, especially one afraid of deportation, our prisons are luxury hotels.

[@MelsDiner025]

He should be deported but no we will foot the bill for his life in prison now

[@stephanieweinberg9633]

That's exactly what I was thinking! 🤬

[@bonniecreighton4163]

I wonder how many people Zapeta set on fire in Guatemala before escaping to the USA?

[@Lee94503]

I have not heard one single thing about whether or not the unborn baby has also survived. What's with that?!

[@EagerParaglider-vq1zd]

I was assuming the baby made it because if not they probably would have said miscarriage.

[@lorielizabethwade7505]

Since NY State has legal abortion up to birth, the baby's life isn't important.

[@allisonadams6295]

@@lorielizabethwade7505 wasn’t it in Florida?

[@Lee94503]

@@lorielizabethwade7505 Oh wow. That's a sad statement.

[@theresarasche3173]

What took so long to bring the Wagner family to justice?😮😡

[@rebeculus]

I have the same question. Actually though, it happened in April 2016 and for the next two years, the wanders lived in Alaska, moved back to Ohio, and it took a while before they could actually be arrested. It was a long investigation before there was enough evidence. But still…. I think they were arrested in 2018? And now it’s 2025 and one still hasn’t gone to trial?? The two plea deals came shortly after they were arrested though - within a year, I think. It’s the trials that have taken forever.

[@MelsDiner025]

I watched George’s trial and I think he should of got off or definitely got a lesser sentence

[@RC-ku8pr]

WHITE PRIVILEGE MEANING WHITE TRASH. ...NOT IMMAGRANTS

[@sandragraham4424]

Can't imagine stabbing someone over a tip

[@carolynjonas4727]

I think he did this in order to be an American forever. Sick person and they need to ID this victim. Hope that happens soon and this monster is held responsible.

[@leftofyou]

$500,000 is 1/20th of the ceo's income every year. Meanwhile, your hospital bills are pilling up...

[@MichaelrennieG]

How can a person watch this without putting their coat or something to cover the person, looks like she could of been saved

[@omayrasdemesne]

Love Julie! Can listen to her all day.

[@Tafa-Mapa]

Are there no fire extinguishers at subway stations or the trains? The downfall of humanity is people just watching and filming the suffering of others for views and likes. I'm glad I grew up before social media took over. I feel pitty for the younger generations.

[@MelsDiner025]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[@barmcd7118]

I've never seen one on a train

[@annmarie2526]

Great guests ,informative/articulate.

[@robinmiller5256]

Celebrities become defendants and defendants become celebrities. 🤔

[@donnawinchester6041]

What if the lady that was burned was an illegal immigrant too? He's going to live better in prison than in his third world country. 3 hots and a cot. Doesn't have to work 12 hrs a day to try and survive. Get an education if he wants..... It's crazy.

[@nadinedockery-green5192]

What is the relevance of the victim’s status?

[@sharnie528]

Different types of people

[@donnawinchester6041]

@@nadinedockery-green5192 that neither belonged here yet we still are obligated to feed and house this POS.

[@lisbaldwin3529]

⁠ Why he did it. Or why no one has come forward to say their family is missing @@nadinedockery-green5192 maybe

[@gulliblesbabbles]

Now don’t jump down my throat. I love Court TV and the anchors and the coverage. It’s always quality coverage. This is more of a general statement about some newscasters - some deliver the news like they’re reading me a bedtime story with so much inflection it’s hard to take it serious. I’ve noticed this on a number of stations and channels.

[@ziggywalsh5562]

It's a very American way to present news and true crime. Thank goodness some presenters have started speaking in a normal voice and pace. American news and tv shows also repeat the same things again and again in the same tv show. When I was a child, I thought this way of presenting news and tv-series, was because Americans were a bit slower than other nationalities.

[@gulliblesbabbles]

@ : HA!!! I do believe we are “a bit slower”. Thanks. That made me laugh. It’s really annoying.

[@SarahAllenHumboldt]

You must mean the strained, stilted baby voice; it is quite annoying.

[@lauradumont1984]

Rt wtf lol.

[@Trial-watcher2023]

14 stabs wounds over 2.00 bucks

[@applejuicejunkie316]

It's not about the money; it's the principle.

[@Charlesbjtown]

I despise tipping culture with a passion.

[@jamesjamesnet]

Your so true

[@Cbd_7ohm]

Usual suspects.

[@David633-12m]

@@Cbd_7ohm Yeah them or the blacks. I'm 59 now and just don't give a crap and I'm being nice. 13% of the population commiting over 50% of the crime. I live in the south and been dealing with blacks since the first grade in 71 didn't know anything about racism until I was called a Kracker at 6 yrs old by a black kid. I have a lot of black friends but blacks are way more racist than whites and I'm sick of putting up with the news media and the narrative they promote which are lies.

[@Melissa-SC73]

Finally the Wagner’s are going to be sentenced and Billy is finally going to trial in May! It’s about time. Someone said Jake was already in Prison. He is not, his brother is in prison.

[@rebeculus]

The fact that they’re going to sentence them before Billy’s trial is kind of unfortunate. The only reason they testified against George was because of their plea deals. Once they’re sentenced, I don’t know if they can be forced to testify in Billy’s trial. But the fact that Billy hasn’t even gone to trial and it’s been NINE years is pretty nuts. I mean, the little girl whose custody was part of the cause of these murders is like a teenager now. CRAZY.

[@Melissa-SC73]

@ I agree with you.

[@etet4536]

The woman was pregnant. Did her baby survive? Why didnt you say?

[@anythingforselenas806]

Imagine my shock. You let complete ghosts enter your country no questions asked …

[@karenpearson794]

Amen!!! Its crazy!!

[@lisbaldwin3529]

Let?? How do you stop a ghost unless they do stupid things like this?

[@Trial-watcher2023]

I like Julie, sounds great, very understandable.

[@gilliancotsford3866]

She's horrible

[@kandykitten10]

@@Trial-watcher2023 I like her too! She s seems very kind and compassionate.

[@cloo6984]

Julie needs to tone down her upbeat excitement about these horrible crimes. Auditioning for faux maybe??

[@Maureen-q6w]

Julie please STOP talking to us in a tone reserved for Kindergarteners 🙄

[@gilliancotsford3866]

I soooo agree. She thinks she's in the running for an Emmy, but she's the only one that thinks that lol horrible! Court TV has the worst hosts on KZbin

[@kandykitten10]

I really like Julie! She seems so kind and compassionate. I don't find her tone offensive at all! Different strokes for different folks I guess!! Happy New Year x

[@Maureen-q6w]

@@kandykitten10 nobody said she was ‘offensive’🙄.

[@docdynamix]

Halo If you don't like her voice change channels

[@JenniB123]

@@Maureen-q6w So how do you feel when Julie talks to people like kindergarteners, because it sounds like you are taking offense to me.

[@georgem7195]

Why is this host so comically animated

[@Beckster8811]

TF Karen Reed have to do with it? Even the FBI proved she was innocent.

[@Indiartworks]

Nobody "proved" she is innocent...please get your facts correct before stating wrong conclusions

[@monicaRichardx]

@@Indiartworksgo watch the trial FBI said he was not hit by a car end of story

[@alexiswaddell3706]

@@Indiartworksshe wasn’t proven to be guilty either, in the USA you are assumed to be innocent until proven guilty

[@lisbaldwin3529]

@@Indiartworksthey have! That’s why defense used FBI hired accident reconstructionists!

[@Srilaurab]

Media is so condescending to the public re Luigi Mangione. Telling us there’s not really a divide in the system.

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

In NY, they prosecute good guys that try to intervene. So, they just sit and watch. In Wyoming we carry guns.

[@NotMoriarty1]

That was my exact thought when I heard about this happening and it’s gonna continue happening nobody will ever step up again because they might end up on trial for their life.

[@jinxterpinxter]

So Wyoming is crime free?

[@amyjs1987]

@@jinxterpinxterI watch cases from Wyoming all the time.

[@jinxterpinxter]

@@amyjs1987 My question was clear.

[@RandomMovieClips-gg2jb]

@@jinxterpinxter Seems like a potentially loaded question, but I'll give it a try. First off the obvious answer is: No. No place is "crime free." But, taking a look at crime rates per 100,000, Wyoming is among the lowest, usually ranking in the top 5 lowest crime rates. Conversely, Wyoming has the highest gun ownership per household of any state. But - we're a nation divided on these issues. Everyone can find stories or statistics to support their claims. All I know is that Wyoming honors the bill of rights by allowing me to carry a gun. Being able to defend oneself in the face of violence is a big factor in not being a victim. If you were going to choose a state to commit a crime in, most likely you'd avoid a state like Wyoming because there's a good chance you will be met with equal or greater force. And, please keep in mind, there's no wall separating our states. If someone does not like all the guns in Wyoming, there are a handful of major interstates that can get you out of the state within a few hours. Likewise, if someone doesn't like living in a place like NYC, where it seems that only the bad guys have guns, they can move to another state. We live in a rural area. On our sheriff's office website for our county, they advise us of the long response times due to geographical separation and they advised us to be able to defend ourselves. I take that right seriously. I'm trained properly and I observe safe gun storage, etc. I hope this helps answer your question. I wish there was a "crime free" place to live in this world, but I'm unaware of any. I'm pro choice - I chose to be armed. Stay safe out there.

[@normac9931]

Omg please someone stop her from talking

[@tonylawlor8833]

How was he able to set that person alight, I can’t start a wood fire with a lighter, he must have sprayed her with gasoline or something similar.

[@haileyarocha4263]

Please just announce the news and keep your comments and opinions to yourself.

[@omayrasdemesne]

are you serious? are you saying this on Vinnie Politan's shows?

[@haileyarocha4263]

@omayrasdemesne yes I am. Tell the news and keep your personal opinions to yourself. Let the public decide.

[@heatherdavis9445]

My God Julie is the WORST! And dude talking about the crazy Karen Read world we live in….. we stand for the INNOCENT!!!! Free Karen Read!

[@TammyWilliams-is1xk]

I love everything about you Julie! So professional! Love watching you master your craft! Sure would have loved to watch you in a court room!!

[@ForensicConnections]

Stop hating on Karen

[@kimgomez8099]

This happened days after a call for violence, after the Daniel Penny verdict. Also, was that a LEO walking past? Praying for NYC and the world.

[@tammymcclarty8272]

Julie u rock ! Ignore the haters they just don't like it when you don't agree with their opinions on a case.

[@maria4904ban]

The commentary is a bit too much and a bit to personal 😅

[@npckubo]

Only in Ohio

[@NotMoriarty1]

Not really it happens all over the country

[@opiumdensRus]

Totally agree it was robbery. Delivery folks don't make much. She might have noticed cash in her pocketbook ,wallet,handbag,or wherever when she gave her $2. She probably told bf about seeing knot of cash and they masked up to go back and rob her. Cause they know if unmasked the woman could easily ID her as pizza delivery driver.

[@Jen39x]

The first stories said they wouldn’t give her change from a $50. “Company policy”. I think she gave a small tip because it was all the other cash she had. Makes sense that way or at least why she didn’t give a normal tip.

[@GrizzlyUrsusArctos]

Gofundme for LM yet his family is uber rich

[@rubymorgan9942]

My,my the commentsn are so critical of Julie. I personally like her delivery of news.I don't care for monotone voices.

[@detective007-t7j]

The sad part here also is they probably will hurry up and try him and give him a life sentence before trump gets in office and gives him the death penalty.

[@Jen39x]

Wagner family? The chances of Billy getting off scott free aren’t good regardless of whether Jake testifies or not. Jake tried to take all the blame and save his brother George and from watching the trial I do think there was reasonable doubt. After that Jake may not think it makes a difference either way whether he testifies. George’s trial was in 2022. The judge should have sentenced the two soon after George’s trial. This is more than ridiculous and wouldn’t it be terrible if the two most responsible get out over a plea bargain?

[@ToniKalis]

This judge is so bias towards the prosecutor and the victims. Julie you don't know what you are talking about. This is about the 8 victims that were killed in 2016. And the Wagners were not arrested in 2016.

[@NotMoriarty1]

Are you kidding? I think they should have took the whole family out in town Square and gave the other family some real justice. You sound like a very sick individual one of those types that are in love with Jeffrey Dahmer.

[@Wunderlust76]

Well 2018 is still to long for justice. This is absolutely NOT how our system should work. These family members need closure.

[@pieterhpretorius4404]

Sick that you think it is rite shooting killing any one then you are a killer to.

[@lisamurphy4438]

I hope someone else covers the Ohio trial. I can’t watch this lady.

[@raggedyann4372]

It’s free!

[@YarnKilla54]

If I wanna look at lots of plastic, I’ll just go shopping with my credit card😂

[@normac9931]

Omg same

[@triplesss7229]

Waaaaay too dramatic a delivery. Overdone.

[@that1koolguy]

So he was not only able to light a woman on fire-but the people around him LET him fan the flames to make it even worse?!? Can earth get more heroes and less cowards please?

[@valmarie4883]

Mr. Franz (?) says it’s the Karen Read world we live in?! 😂😂😂😂 Let’s not forget we have an adjudicated rapist who has been convicted of 34 felonies about to be the sitting President - with full immunity for any crimes he commits while in office. That same guy just tried to make a guy who sex trafficked a minor, did tons of illegal drugs and bragged about it to his fellow members of congress the ATTORNEY GENERAL of the United States. And might I mention there’s a whole jail full of people who literally tried to overthrow our own government with a bunch of SUPPORTERS who have been sitting at “Freedom Corner” every damn night for YEARS. With all due respect Mr Franz (?), the “era of Karen Read” started way before Karen Read and is about to take down Democracy as we know it. Our Country has very big and serious problems that need to be looked at by people smarter than me and with more power than I have. But in my opinion, the rule of law and simple decency and integrity went out the window when a conman rode down a fake gold elevator and made a mockery of our Democracy and all of its laws. Happy New Year everyone. 🥂🍾

[@lenastander4577]

Julie Grant is so irritating!

[@legendvalley]

Its Ohio my mom died in 2001 my brother's still have her estate open , they take 6,000 a year and the lawyer gets 2500. They have went threw 400,000 already and half of that was suppose to go to me and my sister. We have not recived one dime.

[@pieterhpretorius4404]

Your client to a mans life who had a rite to live so he lost that rite he is a murderer he is a coward no hero!!

[@AvidiaNirvana]

Where's Daniel Penny when ya need him?

[@Whereempathsgather]

People crying, filming, not helping, is so disgusting!

[@kandykitten10]

@@Whereempathsgather Yes! I know! I was shocked to see by- standers doing nothing!

[@mmay6621]

Hopefully Penny is filing lawsuits.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

Mangoine has more attention from county officials than that sheriff that shot the judge in his chambers.

[@Aussietari]

The amount of time taken for these Trials to happen has been a Disgrace.😠

[@kellijanssen1171]

A fool and their money are soon parted.

[@ToniKalis]

I wish they would replace Julie she is so far left that she us not unbiased on anything. And the people on her show that comment are like minded. I am actually only watching CT for trails anymore. Not balanced news any longer.

[@annagreen3250]

For the Pike trial….. this is a new judge. This has been going on for so long because of the defense team…. they asked for more time because a lawyer was going on FMAL. I have been following this from the start. The prosecution wants it done but it’s the number of defendants that’s dragging this out plus change in judges from day one.

[@lorielizabethwade7505]

Was that a city employee that walked past the woman on fire on the subway?

[@melanindescendants4240]

He is the scapegoat…..TODAY

[@gilliancotsford3866]

OMG gotta be the worst host ever. Speaks like she's doing a Shakespeare play. In fact most hosts of court TV are horrible. They overact so much

[@painandpleasure8704]

Including Vinnie Politan

[@wendygould1438]

Guaranteed live for free in USA !

[@Lavender-blue80]

Sorry, no matter how interesting the material i simply cannot watch Julie Grant. Shes supposed to present the facts, not try to behave like an aspiring Oscar winning actress.

[@Clarice-e6g]

She's very surprising..LOL

[@aprilbarnett9379]

She takes 2 innocent lives when she should of been greatful that she even got a damn tip!

[@essentiallyangelyn4420]

Geez, why don't we just elect Luigi as president? He might actually beat ole t-RUMPasaurus Don.

[@essentiallyangelyn4420]

@@mmay6621 MAGA by any chance?

[@chadkosakowski3327]

This gives heed and forewarning to the advice, Don’t forget tip your food servers!

[@Heather-jb8nt]

The lady gave her 50 dollars . She didn't want to give her 17 she had no change. So she gave her 2. I heard the victims interview at the hospital. The interview is on anniealise ten to life .P.S. She Did NOT know she was 2 weeks pregnant .even crazier .

[@imprettybasic5113]

This guy speaking isn't worried 'today' if his medical needs will be met.

[@DDMauriac]

@maureen couldn’t agree more🩵🩵

[@Maureen-q6w]

Debbie!!!! Happy New Year to you and the rest of the CTV Courties!! Miss you!

[@DDMauriac]

@ Happy New Year as well. Lots of big cases in 2025. Hope to see u in chat.🩵🩵

[@Maureen-q6w]

@ unfortunately, you won’t. I refuse to Pay for a subscription. CTV has more than enough $$$$😂

[@DDMauriac]

@ hey, Ididn’t have subscription but was gifted one . Just a tip, when Court tc drops stream for members only, just enter stream. . People do it all the time and they do not have subscription. I’ve met some great non sub chatters. Lmk if you

[@DDMauriac]

Oh and I do agree they have ooodles of $$$$$.

[@catherineturley]

Part of the sympathy for mangione stems from his concern for innocent people. No collateral damage by design.

[@FutureSkinnyNurse]

Let’s all just sit and watch or get our phones and make sure we record…. Don’t bother TRYING to help

[@aprilbarnett9379]

Takes 2 lives so to speak,I mean.On a traumatizing level!

[@olik5652]

Not the Billy Wagner with 400 career saves fellow baseball fans

[@Annike-q3q]

You people should get railways police!

[@kelliehockin2501]

Something sneaky about this judge

[@sandyfields678]

No tipping in future,,...❤

[@kellyhiller3977]

She has been identified now.

[@waywardangel6356]

Has she!? I'm so sorry this happened to her 😢 I hope her family can heal from her passing. It's so heartbreaking 💔

[@kellyhiller3977]

Her name is debrina Kawam. 61. I understand homeless 😞

[@VotdTrades]

I don't ever tip LMAO

[@sandyfields678]

Death penalty..or govt in his country..kerps him in prison 4 life...😢😢

[@Mariefrancegrsce]

Evil

[@annettecahalan4268]

No one helped her 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@angelwings7930]

So today I’m watching a bit of the court tv coverage on this case. Julia Jenae is usually awkward and judgy toward Josh Schiffer. Can’t stand her. He’s a guest, has a right to be himself and I enjoy his colorful personality. Sad little Julia makes stink faces at him. Not professional or grateful for his input. And judge Ashley although more mature and “gets” Josh, is gracious to him and she has a sense of humor too - still can’t correctly pronounce words like “sentence”. She always ignorantly says “SENNENNSE”!!! UGH !!!!!!! There’s a “T” in that word. USE IT.

[@ZachNasty]

Its normal for poor sheep to give to the rich,.

[@karenwhinesmore9347]

Im sorry, but Mr. Mangioni did a service for the citizens of the US. We're sick & tired of insurance companies screwing us & profiting off our pain & suffering!!

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

The attacker has free food and a roof over his head now. Yeah he’s going to get in lots of trouble in prison by all the republicans who are hatful. But there’s more people like him that doesn’t realize how versatile prisoners are. They aren’t thinking in criminal mind the same.

[@TrevaBaldwin-t8h]

SHARED THIS

[@opiumdensRus]

Everyone hating on Julie cause they have some twisted obsession with Mangione's mandingo. Ever since Julie sided with prosecution on Luigi, these Luigi fanboys/girls became Julie Gant haters.

[@Maureen-q6w]

Luigi deserves the DP! Those who support him are looney libs

[@Maureen-q6w]

@@opiumdensRus wrong! I am not a supporter of Luigi - just can’t stand her annoying ‘talk to us like we are kindergarteners’ voice!

[@StevenHunterPangians1]

IKR,She just reads whats on the teleprompter and does what she is paid $$$$ to do.

[@ToniKalis]

I am hating on her as she us no longer a fair balanced reporter

[@JustAnEarthboundMisfit]

Nope, she’s just a really terrible reporter. No Luigi love here, he’s a plot device for furthering the regrettable cost of health care in the United States.

[@wendygould1438]

Guantanamo

[@HoneyAnnis]

Great content, as always! I have a quick question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@patrishataylor6930]

I was so glad when the Wagner case what they could have used more

[@tn2717]

The new judge in piketon massacre is horrid

[@oliviaarcher7201]

Who and why do you give these weird ones a platform? 😂😂

[@oliviaarcher7201]

Money money ye’all

[@CarrieHobson-f6v]

So bad

[@dekishajones282]

The faux outrage from the reporter is so see-through you need to work on your acting skills, sweetie. It wasn’t believable at all. He said the right things except how we should condemn. You know what never mind work on your acting.

[@mikejohnson9497]

As a pizza delivery guy, I get it lol jk

[@DEBORAH4-ut9sz]

Old case