OJ Simpson (Part 2)

[@marymac3572]

14:12 remember: convicted rapist Brock Turner is fully allowed to be loose in bars in his local area, and he has been according to locals.

[@Supermunch2000]

You mean the rapist Allen Turner, as the rapist known as Brock Allen Turner goes by these days?

[@bethelbethel845]

Oh. Very good reminder!

[@hannahluden2245]

Iirc he is also now going by his middle name to distance himself from the negative press

[@marymac3572]

Allen Turner, in case anyone else didn't know yet.

[@differentdestiny]

Thanks to both of you, I was having trouble remembering his name. Keep saying folks. Brock Allen Turner, the fucking rapist

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

Fyi: Rodney King passed away in 2012.

[@marymac3572]

Accidental drowning with drugs and alcohol in his system. He had struggled with addiction and the effects of the beating until his death in 2012. He talked about it on Celebrity Rehab. It was an exploitative mess of a show, but you get some insight into what he went through in his own words

[@EmoBearRights]

RIP Rodney - you deserved justice.

[@cthulhutheendless1587]

Even if he drowned due to his addiction, I have no problem saying the police killed him. They gave him brain damage and fucked up his life

[@PlutosAsleep]

@@marymac3572he probably became an addict after the lengthy hospital stay after the beating, which is heartbreaking

[@marymac3572]

@@PlutosAsleep absolutely no judgement from me for his addiction, they ruined his life and his health with that beating and he did what he could to cope.

[@skyisxthelimitt]

"hes not even a flight RISK! Hes a frequent flyer!!' killed me

[@elsiemon]

"What if we kissed while OJs White Bronco passed us on the Los Angeles Freeway"

[@Li_Tobler]

This new Lana del Rey song is honestly fire 🔥

[@mg4880-v3h]

@@Li_Toblerunderrated comment

[@junebugjoy3170]

I have been gnawing on the bars of my enclosure waiting for this episode

[@snowballeffect7812]

boy howdy, it's sure nice to spend the rest of this friday afternoon listening to this while "working".

[@sourgreendolly7685]

I am also "working" hard while listening

[@r.coburn3344]

Boss makes a dollar, ya boi makes a dime, that's why I watch hoots on company time!

[@Bluezexmas]

I took the day off, but that's how I would've done it!

[@nerium.nerium]

Got me through the rest of my day!

[@DoloRoboto]

My heart sank when I heard the part where Nicole's parents had to give up their grandchildren TO THE MAN THAT MURDERED THEIR DAUGHTER. Of all the awful parts of the case, this has to be one of the worst.

[@DrMAngelo]

The only downside to watching KZbin without ads is I don't get to see if chanting "gloves gloves gloves" gets me an ad for gloves. (I donate on patreon to remain ethical)

[@caraxkins]

Perp walks for big cases are such a thing that it's kind of a statement when the cops don't do it. I live in a college town and there was a horrible multiple offending r*pist case, and the cops had the stones to try and sneak him out of the courthouse through the back door. There's videos of the reporters running around to catch them doing it. Acab, frfr.

[@jbone877]

Michael Bolton stealing OJ's girl was a triggering stresser. I didn't see that coming

[@manderly33]

It’s worse! Michael Bolton wasn’t into her. They were in a music video together and she read more into it than was there, I think.

[@thedevicebook]

It might have saved her life. Thank you Michael Bolton

[@bailey6304]

I know I'm not breaking any new ground by saying this, but it's really shitty how despite how obvious it is that he did it, not only did he avoid the conviction, but he also just kept acting really smug about it for years. We all know he did it, he knew we know he did it, and he acted like it. Also shitty is all the obvious instances of racism fueled injustices at the start. Not even at the OJ part yet and I'm heated. You know what isn't shitty though? This video. Love you both, kisses mwah 💜

[@Lynsey17]

The man had the nerve to claim he was going to continue the search for Nicole & Ron's killer. Like, you got your win even though we all know you did it. Have the decency to shut up & slink away.

[@kandyjo]

I’m a teacher, today is my first day of summer break, this ep is a gift, and I’m literally just here for the tangents.

[@manderly33]

I have to disagree that the verdict was the right one. There was. A LOT. Of evidence for a murder case. It should be hard to put someone in prison, and I tend towards abolitionism, but there was waaaaaaay more physical evidence than you typically see in a murder. I think the defense did a hell of a job muddying the waters and getting into fights and provoking the prosecution, and dragging the trial on for months-and the jurors were sequestered this whole time, and a number of them got kicked off the jury for various reasons-and I think based on OJ Made in America at least one juror hated Nicole, because again, the defense dirtied her up but good, and reminded them OJ had a wife who was Black, and then remarried a White woman. I think they did their jobs, but the whole thing was extremely gross. Trials aren’t finders of fact; they’re two opposing stories. The one who tells the better story generally wins. That’s not got much to do with facts. He got a great defense, because he had money. Money is what gets you justice, more than anything.

[@dalellll]

Yeah I agree, I think victim-blaming was a factor for the jury

[@LadyNickinam]

THANK YOU. I'm somewhat new to this podcast and have loved everything I've seen so far, but I was really disappointed hearing this take. I agree with them in-so-much-as this is why the death penalty should never exist. Because however remote, the chance of a not guilty is too great for state-sanctioned murder to EVER happen, and that's if you believe state-sanctioned murder should ever happen, but I digress. OJ's case kind of boils down to a few things to me: a) Persecution got offensively cocky about this one. There was so much obvious about this one that made it obviously OJ: his history of domestic violence (documented and witness testimony), his stalking after the fact, his running in the Bronco. Prosecution dropped every ball because they felt they didn't have to try very hard because it was SO OVBIOUS OJ did it. This is my own conjecture, but it's still pretty apparent. And the historical racism of a cop who, let's all remember, let a black man go for beating a white woman, lead to doubting some pretty damning evidence. b) Related to point a, but the thing is, the defense did not create a reasonable doubt. They created a reason TO doubt. This might not seem like a significant difference, but it is. Conspiracy theories are born from a reason to doubt, but that doesn't make that doubt reasonable. I'm from Minnesota, and everyone I've talked to about the case found the whole "if the glove doesn't fit...." bullshit because leather gloves shrink when wet and not properly dried. It's a reason TO doubt, but that doubt isn't reasonable. There's a lot more evidence like that (see above about racist cop finding damning evidence at OJ's house. Yeah, he waited years to get him on falsified charges instead of that called/documented charge, Emmett Till be damned /s). The defense gave the jury enough to doubt, and the prosecution never made them question if it was reasonable or not. It was a miscarriage of justice that proves even minorities can escape justice if they're rich enough. This was not a case of a black man /finallly/ getting equal justice. It was a black man escaping justice like any other rich person can *despite* his race. Disappointing they don't see that.

[@SuperStella1111]

There was one juror who was nearly punitive: “you made your bed.” It was revolting. Ingrained misogyny.

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

Maybe, but Mark Fuhrman's involvement cant be ignored. Did he hate OJ? Did he plant evidence? Personally, I don't think so. Guy may be a racist POS, but he could have easily been yet another one of those guys who didn't see OJ as "black" (ie one of the "good ones" as OJ spent his whole career trying to present himself). Regardless, the prosecution let him testify and that made him fair game for the much smarter defense to sow doubt in any and all the physical evidence that he was in contact with. If the prosecution left him out of it (especially since he didn't really add much), the physical evidence would have spoken for itself. Yes, the jury was grossly biased as all hell, but the prosecution's incompetence made it that much easier for them to dismiss the evidence.

[@mg4880-v3h]

Agreed

[@stayzennie127]

Just as a little aside, in Korean naming conventions, his last name is Du, and his first name is the Soon Ja portion. So you can say "Soon Ja Du" or just "Du", but Ja Du isn't grammatically correct in Korean.

[@beevonerd]

LOL not that this is funny but I'm also a stayzennie and I just wanted to say hiiiieeeeee

[@TheArcaneMaster]

"How am i supposed to explain to my kids?!" got me, bc i remember we literally would have the trial on TVs in the school cafeteria at lunch, and we elementary kids were literally debating it w each other. Wild in retrospect.

[@thedevicebook]

It happened when I was in middle school and I happened to be in a criminal justice class so the teacher had us analyzing the trial footage in class. Looking back I don't agree with the teacher doing that with 12 to 14 year olds but then again why did I take an elective in criminal justice? I also recall us dissecting fictional crimes like those in Hitchcock films.

[@sarahwarnock2707]

My 5th grade teacher put the car chase on in class and rooted for him, I was so confused😂

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

@@thedevicebook ngl, your school and teacher sound dope

[@JBravoEcho09]

​@sarahwarnock2707 yup, I remember watching the Bronco chase at school lol. They read the verdict over the PA system.

[@yourneurdivergentpiers3457]

New job, new van, new Respect the Dead. Today is a good day.

[@wiwi2154]

My partner was born during the OJ car chase and just turned 30! Imagine being my MIL and seeing all this go down while you're in labour...crazy day.

[@FranzDerLilaOtter]

Much as I wish it were true that Rodney King were still alive today, unfortunately be died 12 years ago, almost to the day this was uploaded, coincidentally

[@eeeggg33]

FD Signifier has a great video on the racial dynamics re: attitudes and reactions to the OJ trial outcome. A lot of black americans wanted him to win because it would finally be a black person 'getting away' with killing someone non-black, rather than the reverse, and as grim as that is, it does make sense for people to have felt that way.

[@redmaple1982]

A missing piece here is misogyny - a women being viewed as an acceptable proxy obejct for the actions of men. An actual logical response would have been celebrstion of a case where a cop did get sent to jail for police brutality.

[@mikey-wl2jt]

i could listen all day to hoots reading a phone book in her mid-atlantic accent

[@stewieismyhomeboy]

I am definitely imagining an angry looking OJ pulling up to McDonald’s with Kato Kaelin next to him grinning and wagging his tail like a golden retriever

[@sillyd0g]

quick correction: rodney king isn't still alive he passed away in 2012

[@CatHasOpinions734]

Pranks are one of those things that absolutely needs to be personalized. I worked in an office once where two of my coworkers kind of competed by pranking each other, but they had a lot of fun with it. Anytime it was a prank that affected more than just one person (unpredictable noises were a favorite), they'd swear me to secrecy and warn me, because they realized "shy new girl who's afraid of messing up probably is going to have a bad day if we surprise her like we surprise each other," and they were nice people who didn't want to do that to someone. (Also by "prank" I mean like, screenshotting their desktop, flipping it upside down, and telling their monitor to display upside down so it looks fine but the mouse moves in the wrong directions. I DO NOT MEAN convincing someone that their partner is cheating, that's not a prank, you're just being an asshole.)

[@voidify3]

Convincing someone that their partner is cheating, ah yes, Iago behaviour

[@CatHasOpinions734]

@@voidify3 Also Don John. I feel like it's a good rule of thumb that, if you're about to do something a Shakespeare villain would do, maybe you should stop and ask if you're the baddies.

[@gh0stcup]

What a coincidence! Last week's episode of Some More News is about police car chases

[@AammaK]

i knoww I literally though about when this one would drop watching it

[@maddi-lion]

The whole segment on Juiced just sounds like a Bojack joke

[@DeirdreMooMoo]

Never have I clicked on a notification so quickly.

[@ellah6188]

Not sure if you’ve seen it but there’s another version of the cover with a glossy black background and a black matte “if” with “I did it” in bold red and it’s another masterpiece of petty cover design

[@legaultrants]

I wish people (esp men) would get that it's not 'innocent until proven guilty' - you can be fully guilty of a crime regardless of what a court decides and some types of cases are often not even seen in trial or get a conviction. Like domestic violence and stalking, ect.

[@Durandurandal]

I'll repeat what was a small line in video from ThoughtSlime, "Innocent until prove guilty is a matter of jurisprudence". It's specifically regarding the state's ability to punish people, since, well, a lot of places used to require the accused to prove their innocence regarding a charge, to a judge, whom has a professional incentive to be "tough on criminals" (like, idk, sending them to the prison that basically does slave labor) and so find them not innocent lol

[@bethelbethel845]

Thank you for mentioning the CTE possibility. It doesn’t absolve him, but it adds some key context.

[@arthurreitz9540]

Old witch : *throw bones in the air and proceed to read them* "Ah yes, they were destined to"

[@beethovenjunkie]

Caelan you can't tell people to listen to the podcast backwards at the end of the podcast just because that's then the beginning of the podcast!

[@loreleixo]

Yess!! Wakeup sweaty!! 🎉 New wormfood dropped!! Loving hoots fit today 🩵

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

She reminds me of a steel mill worker who is also the company union president! Sorry, I may have accidentally made an entire deep lore backstory based entirely on her outfit while watching the video...I think I got a little carried away.

[@floraposteschild4184]

Thanks for continuing to cover this story. There is so much misinformation out there. For a deep book dive, I recommend Outrage, by Vincent Bugliosi (Helter Skelter). After reading it, there was no question in my mind that Simpson should have been convicted, despite all the prosecution and police failures.

[@mushermusica]

"We need to stop trans women in sports, only I get to beat women!" - OJ Simpson

[@andchimeras]

For other trial "media" (ugh), I recommend the Simpson trial episodes of "You're Wrong About". Sarah Marshall has a whole series of episodes where she breaks down one aspect of the entire situation at a time. Like, there's an episode just about Paula Barbieri, and several about Marcia Clarke, etc. It's really great.

[@oh_riley7104]

I've been waiting so hard for this.

[@itme999]

This is exactly what I needed to get through my last hours of work on Friday. Thank you. Edit to add: I was 13 and I remember watching the car chase on TV. They interrupted programming on several channels, which probably accounts for those ratings.

[@Flanclanman]

The Queen has returned 💕

[@crumpettrashgoblin]

wait which one

[@marcustoomey4246]

I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THIS AND THEN YOU BABES JUST HAD TO GO AND DROP IT ON QUEUE

[@NOPEFROG]

Monday morning in Australia. Time to listen to this at work frfr

[@longshank59]

TY Hoots and Caelan. Your writing at the end is phenomenal. Chocked me and a 😢 ran down my check. U 2 are some of the most empathetic people I have met on YT

[@flfb]

"Go and read Wikipedia yourself if you don't want tangents" or you could go watch any James Somerton video EYYYYY

[@thedevicebook]

You mean noted plagiarist James Somerton who only interjects his own words to convey false information? I'll stick with Wikipedia thanks

[@KaraOfTheSea]

I was looking for something to watch my last 2 hours of work!

[@katoh3906]

a strange little tale I suppose. 4, maybe 5, years ago I was listening to the You’re Wrong About episodes about the OJ trial and also happened to be looking for a new name as a part of my transition. Whilst listening I heard the name Kato for the first time in a while (see Kato Kaelin). The name was similar to my dead name and had just enough flair that I just knew that would be the perfect name for me. And that’s how I named myself after someone from the OJ Simpson trial this inadvertently forever linking myself to it.

[@iamjoemeyer]

If Cookie Monster had a book similar to OJ's, it would be titled, "If Me Did It" (idk if that was posted already, it came into my head while watching, lol)

[@aishahb8336]

"Hey twitterworld" is soooo terrifying 💀

[@luthientinuviel3883]

YES I was just listening to the Glinner ep while folding laundry at work lets fucking go

[@CarysCreatesThings]

There's an excellent short documentary about Latasha Harlins called A Love Song For Latasha. It's on Netflix and it's definitely worth watching. It's only 20 minutes long, and it's beautifully made. I cried my eyes out when I watched it.

[@scoobydont]

Off topic but what an iconic Hoots look 💖✨

[@S0ilStudios]

1:14:57 Caelan's cat! 😺 So precious!

[@moondoggie92]

As a south Floridian myself, Hoots was so right about this state's magnetism for felonése Thank you both for this episode and part 1. I appreciated the funny banter sprinkled into an otherwise grim tale. May Nicole and Ron rest in peace.

[@HexZero]

Rodney King passed away in 2012

[@colonelweird]

It's absolutely ridiculous to say that there was "reasonable doubt" about OJ's guilt during the trial. Hoots doesn't mention a single thing that could be the basis for reasonable doubt, but I guess that's why she decided to not discuss the evidence. She wants to claim that this was how the justice system is supposed to work, and examining what actually occurred during the trial would show how absurd that claim is. The not guilty verdict happened because the defense team successfully distracted the jury from what the evidence showed. They turned it into even more of a circus than it already was, which is really saying something. It's true the prosecutors made mistakes, but anyone who looks at the evidence actually presented in the trial, and makes a judgment on that basis, MUST conclude that OJ was guilty. There is simply no other reasonable conclusion. The defense was able to capitalize on the justified resentment and cynicism of the jury about the LAPD in order to convince them they should ignore the actual evidence. And maybe some of them knowingly ignored the evidence. There's no way to tell. So no, this definitely is NOT how trials should normally happen in America. If they did, no one -- literally no one -- could ever be convicted of anything. PS This does not mean that every single bit of evidence could be affirmed. It could have been reasonable, for example, to think that the racist cop Mark Furman lied and screwed with the physical evidence. But even if that is granted, the overwhelming bulk of evidence proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@clevertaghere3297]

I remember my stay at home mom watching that trial... every... single... day. I was glad when it was finally over.

[@JNDReacts]

1:05:22 No 😕 Just an ad for Pinterest and then Wisconsin trying to trick me into leaving Minnesota.

[@Rushboat]

I enjoyed this video a lot (I'm actually a spotify listener but came here to comment)! I just wanted to say that I think perhaps why OJ's family refused to submit his brain to be studied could be due to the (as I'm sure you're aware) extensive medical history of black people being used as medical subjects and experiments. Obviously I don't know if this was the case, but it immediately came to mind.

[@faith-by-faith]

"if you don't put it on the gram it doesn't count" I'm DYING

[@glynislily]

I was a child who liked to watch basketball and ended up watching the whole car chase because I was trying to watch the NBA finals. I remember my racist ass MIDDLE SCHOOL made an announcement when I was in English class and white kids were so mad and saying so many racist things to my black English teacher.

[@RonTheAnarchist]

40:39 He's not a flight risk, he's a flight GUARANTEE.

[@puceronie]

I, for one, LOVE your tangents. Friendship is cute, and they can help lighten the mood when discussing some heavy topics.

[@sarahwarnock2707]

I'm so here for Caelan❤

[@andrea1347]

Hellll yes, totally going to listen to this in the car while running errands. (My fourth grade class placed bets on the outcome of this case and we listened to the verdict on the radio. The one kid who put his money on "not guilty" just to be a contrarian cleaned tf up.)

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Barely on topic comment for engagement - "You're Crashing, but You're No Wave" by Fall Out Boy is about the OJ trial. Great song and the whole album (Infinity on High) holds up.

[@voidify3]

But that song is about an innocent defendant being found guilty not the other way around

[@CearoT]

Ngl, was waiting for this. Excited to watch/listen

[@VinceWhitacre]

HERE WE GO

[@VinceWhitacre]

Dammit hoots, that false start was 🤌

[@VinceWhitacre]

Rodney King died a decade ago, sweaty...

[@hootsyoutube]

Oh shit I def thought he was still alive lol

[@VinceWhitacre]

@@hootsyoutube haha yeah... I mean, he was, just not since 2012.

[@VinceWhitacre]

Btw I was at a Howard Johnson's in Indianapolis not fucking while watching the chase

[@Shibamanda]

Caelan's hair is so pretty in this episode! Thanks for all the labor you put into these videos you two! (research and time put in and emotional labor too haha)

[@KelsieJG__they-them]

I did not get an ad for gloves, sadly. Mine was for Chewy pharmacy, and that's 100% because I bought my elderly cat's prescription refill last week online.

[@nightlightslove]

Ok but I wasn’t expecting to cry at the end of this episode. Thanks for the content babes ❤️

[@unclegumbald989]

American Crime Story was fantastic for me, mostly because of Sarah Paulson’s portrayal of Marcia Clark. That Emmy was well-earned!

[@anniee5487]

Theres another timeline where OJ killed himself in kim kardashians childhood bedroom

[@rudetuesday]

Did my stretches, had a iced coffee, and I am now ready for this!

[@BunnyDanger]

Hoots, please do you have a full version of your intro theme? I love it a lot.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

That ending hit me really hard. thank you for this.

[@lavender_thoughts2320]

The book cover killed me😂😂😂

[@spuriusbrocoli4701]

Okay, but who's gonna draw Kato Kaelin in a pup mask w/ the tail butt plug? I need this now.

[@NOACCEPTANCE772]

Just what I needed to get through a dreadfully long train ride. Thank you! ❤

[@TheShyEnby]

They ask for ads about gloves, I get an ad about insta cart 🤣🤣🤣

[@noctap0d]

I love your tangents 👌 They made these situations a bit more bearable.

[@Fintago]

KZbin decided this didn't need to appear on my subscription list, but still recommended it to me? Why can't things just work? You have a button that says "tell me when this person makes a video" and it randomly decides not to work lol

[@mckymcobvious3043]

1:36:27 if anyone is curious about this Prankd ripoff Simpson did, Quentin Reviews actually found it and posted a review abt it!

[@thedevicebook]

I can't even figure out who thought the show was a good idea. A murderer as a host is already such a bad move and then it's a prank show on top of that?

[@88qwop]

this fills me with anger, such a injust system you have there... good work keep going

[@Kaltag2278]

It's definitely a California thing to get way too excited and to drop everything to watch a car chase. It's like a spectator sport.

[@fothreid]

Felonet Larconé is the AU Timothy chalamet

[@kellenknight1421]

Started this last night. Here I am 8hrs later coming back to finish it cuz I stopped half way through to watch the 5 part ESPN doc.

[@kvetchling2713]

*all the context* ~hoots

[@altyrrell3088]

Regarding car chases, I was stuck in traffic on a two-lane street, and a car chase blew by me in the wrong lane. Since they drove into a residential area, I hoped that the police caught the speeder. I didn't hear anything about it later so nothing escalated.

[@kiwwykeen5305]

thank you for going down this rabbit hole. his legacy deserves to be trashed, and this is a nuanced video. I would argue though that the prosecution had a good case and a solid timeline, but the defense team really gamed the system and manipulated the jury with "expert witnesses" and other confusing shit. Maybe Marcia and Chris could've communicated better at times, but damn they were just regular folk up against legal chess masters

[@NaritaZaraki]

06:25 - 07:52 --> This hilarious little tangent reminded me of the latest episode in youtuber Skip Intro's Copaganda series. He covers car chases and live broadcasting of policing in-depth. Great watch. Highly recommend. ^_^

[@Felixiroflife28]

Not OJ leaving notes like "Dear Mr Policeman I gave you all the clues"

[@starrychan33]

I was looking forward to this to listen to at work and of course you post it on my last day of work, just as I'm leaving 😭😂

[@JBravoEcho09]

Why did OJ writing letters to the police sound like Moira Rose? 😂😂

[@JLP802]

You should do William Zantzinger

[@CodeOmega0]

I'm pretty sure you just made the next star double act - Felóny and Larcény Charge

[@Supermunch2000]

I hope you're OK Hoots

[@noctap0d]

1:07:30 Okay, but the idea of LLM listening to your podcast and planning rap musicals it's amazing 😂

[@LillyP-xs5qe]

Warm hummus is the best, if you make it from scratch and you cook the chickpeas yourself and use the cooking water to control the thickness, then it very warm when you finish making!

[@Novur]

58:26 look I don't expect anyone here to know it, but the image of a 357mm handgun is EXTREMELY funny. Just a gun with a barrel as wide as a wedding cake. OJ trying to hold it to his temple during the chase but his head keeps slipping inside it like a cartoon character stuck in a bucket

[@Novur]

For the curious, .357 means the barrel is 0.357 of an inch wide, which is just a hair over 9mm

[@JNDReacts]

1:08:50 Yeah, because I was literal baby when this trial happened, the first time I heard of Kato Kaelin was when he was on Celebritiy Big Brother. But my parents absolutely knew who he was.

[@kazza6078]

I love the oj letter being read by Moira Rose lol and then "love, Orenjal" 💀💀💀

[@kendratillson1502]

The intro song lives in my head forever lol