Ok, Boomer! (feat. Rachel Oates) - (Ken) Ham & AiG News

[@elcarpe9186]

Rachel - I had a Christian friend who used to say "Pray like everything depends on God, and Work like everything depends on You." - He and I would joke that the prayer part isn't really necessary... but nice to say. Because in the real world, everything does depend on you.

[@DBCisco]

My dad said, "Pray in one hand and shit in the other. Which fills up first ?"

[@elcarpe9186]

yep... confirmed - I definitely like your dad.

[@DBCisco]

@@elcarpe9186 I am a "Boomer" raised without any religion.

[@elcarpe9186]

I'm only 51... (in that grey area between Boomer & GenX) - 16yrs Catholic School - and the Classical Liberal Arts Education I got taught the Lord right outta me. (by the time I was 12) - love the cultural family related holiday stuff though.

[@DBCisco]

@@elcarpe9186 Nice ! Yeah, we had lots of traditions that used to be religious holidays. Much better when secular IMHO.

[@bendavid84]

Carl Sagan's 'Pale Blue Dot' is an incredible pieces of science poetry.

[@JerryPenna]

Yes, it gives me chills everytime.

[@evorock]

It moves me to tears every time. One of the most beautiful speaches ever uttered

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

Yes. Always.

[@vestafreyja]

Every time I hear the Carl Sagan's 'Pale Blue Dot' I feel humbled, insignificant dot of star dust, much like a candle in the wind and it makes the brief period I have on planet earth even more precious!

[@Nervardia]

I always want to cry when I hear it.

[@Erin__D]

Creationists: “nobody’s ever seen one so it can’t be real” Rachel: “why doesn’t that work for god?”

[@romainsavioz5466]

Creationist : pickachu face

[@DarkAlkaiser]

Literally having this conversation with a creationist making this exact claim on another Paulogia video XD Claiming DNA is coded information, and we've only seen information come from intelligence, therefore god, despite this obviously leading to the logic, we've never seen a god, therefore no god can exist XD

[@tetsujin_144]

Also, we found DNA, which does not apparently come from intelligence. If we look at only the information that clearly comes from an intelligence and say, "therefore this other information must have come from an intelligence as well" - it ignores the possibility that this other information may be a counter-example to that argument.

[@JanglesPrime999]

@Ad Lockhorst I too pray to Hemsworth.

[@oengusfearghas9608]

I think they might need to seek some medical treatment from that burn.

[@EdRaby71]

I would say after 40 years as a Christian and 20 years as a pastor there are three main reasons people hold on to religion although I can only speak for Christianity experientially. 1. The belief in an ultimate purpose or ultimate goal for life beyond what we can create ourselves. 2. Fear of death, which is a survival thing but it carries over to wanting to survive ultimate death. 3. Indoctrination through education. All of these stem from someone's ego or pride. The notion that you are entitled to have a purpose, eternal life and the 'need' to pass on the TRUTH to your progeny. I am now painfully aware that I was guilty as a pastor of reinforcing all of this. As an atheist now, I see the need to counter this with some compassionate antitheism. Why I appreciate channels like this one and am thinking of making my own. Boomers - "People are so offended these days, they need to grow up." Also boomers - "the phrase 'OK, Boomer' offends me." Me - "OK Boomer, grow up and develop a sense of humor about yourself." This service announcement brought to by a member of Generation X I love this channel and your guests. Peace.

[@MendTheWorld]

Ed Raby I'm happy to know you've embarked on a thoughtful, introspective, and skeptical journey of inquiry into the nature of the universe and what makes us human. I hope it is rewarding and fulfilling for you. Although I agree with all the roots and motivators of religious belief that you've identified, I don't think your list is comprehensive. There are likely numerous other aspects and rewards that draw people to religion, including tribal affiliation. (we are intensely social creatures.) One motivation for religious belief that I feel is particularly important is the aspect of human cognition that provides a sense of "cause and effect". When we encounter 'things' in the world around us, we have an immediate, arguably instinctual desire to understand how and why they came to be. The pain of childbirth, marine fossils occurring on a mountaintop, "pillars" of salt near the Dead Sea, the existence of cruelty and greed, that bad things happen to good people, that "sh;t happens". These things all demand some sort of [pseudo-] rational explanation. And into these vacancies in our understanding of the world steps the God of the Gaps. A commitment to a naturalistic understanding of the world reduces to nil the role of God in these matters; and whereas I find naturalism an ongoing and continual source of inspiration and awe, I think that for some people it engenders a sense of anxiety and frustration. Such people crave the reassurance of answers, as opposed to a never-ending an series of questions. Religion provides those answers, and for many people, this might be all they want.

[@EdRaby71]

@@MendTheWorld After being religious for so long, I do fight the anxiety that comes with mortality. My counselor says this is normal for people who go through this. I discarded my Christianity many years before I left the pulpit. I left belief in the supernatural and god a year ago or so. I agree that it is the now-empty gaps that I deal with but I guess I have developed a comfort level with ignorance to the point that I am comfortable with the ignorance of things I will never know but an insatiable curiosity about things in the world. I want to know what I can but I also can live with the things I cannot. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the support.

[@Roxor128]

I think you mean "Indoctrination _over_ education" for number 3. A proper education would have given them the tools to break through the indoctrination.

[@chrisray9653]

Where did you go to seminary.

[@D-me-dream-smp]

Well presented informative comment. Ultimately often many theists arguments boil down to the desire to feel “special” and chosen and difficulty accepting the idea humans are simply part a complex evolution and diversification of different life forms due to random changes in the environment. They rail against the possibility we are a small part of a vast universe and that we do not have some higher specific purpose than any other living creature. They can’t, on a practical level, claim we are the pinnacle of life and the literal centre of the universe so they have to resort to semantics and presuppositions to maintain a theoretical importance. Humans have not existed for a significant proportion of life on this planet and we become almost insignificant in the scope of the universe BUT that is not saying our existence at this point in time is meaningless or that we can’t strive to make out time here a positive experience for ourselves, those around us and for those who will follow. They are being dishonest and know it.

[@leonsdenin]

I am an Indian and I have Indian accent. It's totally international! We all shud thank Ken Hamster!!

[@leonsdenin]

@Kevin McDougall I am cool!! Free speech 🤣🤣

[@rickskeptical]

The most productive line in Ken's show was "That's all the time we have for today" - should have started out the program with that.

[@Thormp1]

Evo: I have $5 in my pocket. Crea: I don't believe you . Evo: Here, look, I have $5 bill. See I am now holding it in my hand. Crea: No, I still don't believe you. I have $10 in my pocket though. Evo: Prove it. Crea: No, you need to prove that I don't have it. Evo: Well, why don’t you just show me your $10 just like I showed you my $5? Crea: No, you just need to prove that I don’t have it in my pocket. Evo: Well for one, you don't have pockets. Crea: That's just your belief. And on and on it goes!!

[@sphericalchess]

Thormp1 Theist: Your money has no value without my god; you’re stealing from my world-view!

[@xaenon]

That is a very adept comparison.

[@scottycash7525]

Perfect analogy.

[@sonsclan4308]

@@sphericalchess well, that's a dumb statement! Money is a human made concept. Your imaginary god couldn't care less if you have money or not.

[@gavincarstens6497]

@@sonsclan4308 r/woosh

[@m.g.4446]

9:18 "You can't know that the sun will rise tomorrow" Actually, Georgia, you can have more certainty that the sun will rise tomorrow as an atheist than you would as a Christian, since Christians are supposed to expect Jesus' second coming at any time.

[@finestPlugins]

... and you don't believe in a supernatural being that can change reality at any time. Like, by flooding the entire planet.

[@Uhdksurvhunter]

Technically it should be "You can't know that we will make another rotation around our own axis." Edit: Lets add; "until your location faces the sun as it crests above the planet's curvature." Just to be hyper-technical.

[@redapol5678]

This caught my attention too. It’s so easy to completely miss the obvious flaws in your own logic when you believe that you have the one and only revelation of truth given by a supernatural deity, which in turn enables you to mischaracterise opposing claims or challenges to your beliefs

[@55Quirll]

Didn't Jesus say he would return before all his decsiples had died?

[@StephenF.B.]

Decided long ago that being bipolar, that having issues with pain and some such that I never wanted to curse another human being by getting someone pregnant with my messed up genes. I helped raise my niece and nephew, and I am a preschool teacher so I have gotten the best of both worlds, I have all the "fun" of having kids but they go home by 5, so I am another child free person and happy for it.

[@thelastgreatdevolutionary1044]

God bless you

[@thebatmanover9000]

"Demon babies" sounds like a cool band name.

[@jonathanstern5537]

Death metal for preschoolers.

[@darksoul479]

It does huh? :-)

[@sinisterminister6478]

I'm an atheist and I believe I do have a purpose in life and it's not to be a slave to a long outdated myth. For me my purpose in life is to try as hard as I can to leave this world when it's my time a better place then when I came into it. If we chose to serve each other instead of ourselves earth would be a paradise.

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

I like the sentiment, but wouldn't that depend on HOW we decide to 'serve' each other? Some people are certain they know what's best and how to best serve it to others.

[@sinisterminister6478]

@@notwhatiwasraised2b Well I didn't say we didn't have a few bugs to work out.😂😂😂😂😂

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

@@sinisterminister6478 until you do....

[@kerianhalcon3557]

Yes, thank you!

[@GeneralZod99]

@@notwhatiwasraised2b ...go with one of the myths???

[@juniorloaf12]

Rachel's laugh is so endearing.

[@PurpleKnightmare]

That Carl Sagan clip brought tears to my eyes. The feels.

[@Lewis5020]

Every time I hear it.

[@Twentydragon]

25:15 - "We have these trolls on here making stupid statements." Yeah, for your format, we call those hosts.

[@boogiemonstermom677]

Love that darkmatter2525's work got a little cameo in this lol. You may do this often though and I'm just unaware since I just subscribed, but still lol

[@mainecoonmami]

I love Rachel! She validates my story so much. I love being an auntie and being unmarried! 😊

[@EverettVinzant]

The last time I was this early, Jesus was riding dinosaurs...

[@manusiabumi7673]

That makes me wonder, are there actually any dinosaurs big enough for an adult male to ride in the middle east at the time jesus supposedly lived? Like ostriches or something?

[@alexis9212]

Everett Vinzant there’s a shirt at Spencer’s of Jesus riding a Trex breathing fire.

[@Lumby1]

@@manusiabumi7673 Crocodiles?

[@hob991]

@Dan Ryan The last time I came this early over 50 years ago 8-)

[@dinobotful]

Mark Did you talk to the last surviving veterans from the last war between the Jedi and sith?😜

[@bendavid84]

My two favourite KZbinrs together, yay!

[@a787fxr]

Exactly!

[@claveworks]

Very nice I say, very nice indeed!

[@RoburDrake]

And children forced upon people who didn't want children will too often result in various levels of abuse. My housemate offered, "If the government is going to force a woman to carry and raise a child, it should be the government's responsibility to provide for the mother and child."

[@MravacKid]

I've been waiting for Rachel to make an appearance here for quite a while :)

[@capitalb5889]

The prophecy has been fulfilled!

[@ZoeyyByLaw]

The Ken Ham-approved procreation list: 1) Missionary, socks on. 2) .

[@moehoward01]

2). Lights off.

[@paulatredies]

I apologize, but I am compelled by the spirits of Matt Stone and Trey Parker 1)Missionary 2) ??? 3)Prophet

[@theturtlemoves3014]

0) Marriage certificate

[@theturtlemoves3014]

@@moehoward01 Lights on = kinky!

[@ZoeyyByLaw]

@@theturtlemoves3014 tell that to their mistresses 🤐

[@mikeMrBear]

The two of you both play off each other so well. Rachel is sassy, smart, peppy and adorable. Paul is brillant, brave, and hilarious. I'm more spiritual the Christian but I respect both of you very much and your beliefs.. Rachel's accent and laughter is great🤣👍🌻

[@ninawernick6501]

I'm feeding my 8 month old breakfast listening to this. I love her. But she has oats up her nose. That she put there. On purpose. That I now have to suction out with a snot sucker thing. This is my life. Truly, if you don't want them, don't have them. Nose oats, folks. Nose oats.

[@JovanDacic]

Good luck with your noats. You seem very well prepared for this contingency, for which I salute you.

[@larryscarr1929]

Don't worry, soon it will be skittles.. but that will end too, so it's meaningless.😋

[@dacksonflux]

You said it perfectly.

[@ps.2]

Ah so _that's_ why Oates is opposed. She understands about the oats.

[@pechaa]

And poop, urine, and vomit - oh my!

[@melsoft121]

24:21 DING DING DING! Correct answer! My fiancé and I want children so badly, and we have wanted children for the last two years. We can’t afford to right now, so no matter how upset we are about it, and how crushing it is every time we hear a pregnancy announcement from people who aren’t ready yet, we’re staying strong with making our decision to be childless until we can afford it. Me sacrificing the joy I know having my child will give me for a few years is for them, not for me. They need a mother that can provide for them, guide them, and encourage their passions; not one who is perpetually stressed about money, telling them they can’t do anything because we can’t afford it, and having panic attacks because I can’t see how I will make the money work. I’m not being selfish, I’m being an amazing mother to a child I don’t even have yet at my own expense.

[@RonPaulOrElse]

Religious people have no more meaning. They just imagine they have more meaning with their fairy tale friend.

[@caligo7918]

it get's worse when you think about the 80 years on earth in relation to an eternity. this life is basically nothing more than en entrance exam and is otherwise irrelevant.

[@karlgoldsmith8047]

Their meaning is in death when they get to go to a better place.

[@hob991]

@@caligo7918 after the first few years eternity would just get boring .............soddit i'm getting too dam'n cloe to those 80 years

[@RonPaulOrElse]

@@karlgoldsmith8047 But they don't. That's just pretend. There's zero evidence any of that stuff is true. Santa has more evidence for being real.

[@caligo7918]

@@karlgoldsmith8047 imagine if they would actually think about it and focus on that: they would end their lives and the lives of all their loved ones really quick to get there faster. Not suicide, of course, but high risk sports, driving cars without any protective measures or straight up church-organized murder, as that would surely be forgiven, as it is for the greater good... 2 billion christians gone in days, all other death-religions following in another couple of days. Weird thoughts....

[@lifeisoverated81]

'Pale Blue Dot'. My favorite quote from Carl Sagan. Everytime I hear it, it almost brings a tear to my eye.

[@evorock]

i love Rachel, as a fellow English atheist, she does a great service, to the community and she is soooo nice. I f i wasn't married lol and as for looking after pets, have you not seen Rachael with her doggo, she adores that little lady

[@CelticShae]

Rachel and I have never been an item, but I fall asleep listening to Carl Sagan's calm, tender and reassuring voice, and I have for years.

[@Paulogia]

Better than the creationist stuff that ends my day.

[@_CinnamonKitty]

Usually the Ham & AIGs intro pisses me off, but it didn't today. I was ready for a laugh today. Maybe it's Rachel's presence, IDK 😊

[@_CinnamonKitty]

@MomoTheBellyDancer yeah, I love the pun, but I've usually found the song irritating

[@CarlosTehJackal]

What a pleasure to see you working with the delightful Rachel Oates. She makes great content and is one of the most genuine and lovely people on KZbin. Excellent video.

[@serpentinious7745]

I'm not a parent, but here's my view on guiding the young. I hope that I am interpreting reality correctly, and if I am then I hope that those I share my insights with will come to similar conclusions. I then hope that they will build on it and take their own insights farther than I could. Or they break away from my limitations and find better understanding than I could offer. Either way, I hope I'll be able to go with them when they surpass me.

[@dragonhealer7588]

So now "Boomer" is a derogatory. Hugh. Let me check my boomer handbook for the proper response.... here it is: "Bite Me" But seriously, I'm so glad you did this episode with Rachel, this made your BEST episode yet! Many thanks to both of you, hope to see many more! And Rachel, you are not mistaken, Carl Sagan chose his words carefully. Possibly the best public astronomy speaker the world has ever seen. The world is a poorer place without him.

[@toddwendt7118]

This is one of the best spots you've done in a long time, Paul.

[@keithlow3056]

Cheers for the advert for Sasha Sagan, I look forward to buying and reading that book.

[@GalapagosPete]

Scientists claim that lightning is a natural phenomenon, which we know from a Norse perspective is completely impossible.

It's clearly Zeus exerting his dominance.

[@GeneralZod99]

@ Wrong! Odin. It's fucking Odin!

[@SMcGowan287]

Paul and Rachel?! Absolutely fantastic duo. ❤😍❤😍❤ Edit: I have to agree with Rachel on the hypocrisy of these people. It is insane that they can convince themselves that you can only be a good person, if you're doing it for God. Wow

[@diedertspijkerboer]

If there's anything great about young people it's that they tend to be much more open-minded than older people. But thankfully, Ken Ham can train them out of them and teach them the moral values from an ancient book and all the knowledge of the pre-scientific era.

[@TheRngMaster]

Rachel is such a treasure to the world, her insight is always so eye opening to me

[@RemyStripsForSoup2]

Rachel. Your giggles are so damn cute lol. They had me cracking up through the whole vidoe.

[@RoburDrake]

"life begins at the first breath" is very biblical, at least according to Jewish tradition. The breath of life and all that.

[@coriolisjones9156]

You two should work together more often, you make a great double act.

[@UranusKiller]

Tell Ken and crew not to worry! I may be an atheist, but I have four children! I'm doing my part. 😊

[@cthomaspeasant3059]

I was waiting for Rachel's pittie to make an audio cameo.

[@jackirallie7202]

What a nice surprise to see Rachel on here; great video!

[@Gdwmartin]

I find The "Good Old Days" invariably refer to the time period corresponding to the complainants childhood.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

When you could live on $10 a week and earned $7.

[@GeneralZod99]

As I am rapidly approaching 50, this revelation has also occurred to me.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@Kevin McDougall If said child had a happy childhood ...

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@Kevin McDougall Ah yes, I've seen a lot of that.

[@d3al3rplays68]

The magic words from believers... "How do you know that ....." But they never use those words on themselves without saying it is in the bible... Written by MAN!

[@hifijohn]

Sagan was a astronomer, cosmologist, astrophysicist, astrobiologist, not just a host of a show.

[@tabularasa0606]

He was a brilliant wonderful man.

[@hifijohn]

I use to watch him every time he came on the tonight show, one of the few guests worth staying up for and watching.

[@Kevin_Williamson]

26:26 -- You can tell someone lives in a bubble when they say something like any woman can stay at home and raise kids if they just cut back on a few things. There are a large number of women or couples who don't have the 6 figure income to support that sort of lifestyle. For them, they have nothing to cut back. There are those couples who work two jobs but can't afford to add an extra person to feed and clothe. Many did have kids and rely on charities to supply things like food and diapers. Such children can grow up poor and malnourished. Not first!!!!

[@nadirjofas3140]

6 figure income?

[@DRayL_]

BTW, I LOVED the interaction between you two in this video!! "I think they mean us!!" LOL

[@hexicsushi]

I didn't read the title but hearing Rachel Oate's voice got me super excited. Rachel's super hard to not love. This episode is fantastic.

[@TheDeadlyDan]

I've been child free my entire life. I've never wanted the responsibility and yes . . . the burden. If we were created, why are we all born atheist and require indoctrination into whatever various faith the parents hold in order to 'believe' in that god and not other gods? By the way, Sasha Sagan is a boomer . . . like me. I actually find comfort in knowing how insignificant we are in the universe. Makes ignoring things like religion so much easier.

[@TheSahugani]

Because while they won't say it or maybe even understand it, they seem to believe that the ultimate sacrifice is that of their own free will.

[@paulwilliamson6660]

A parent's responsibility is to look after a child, and let them develop into the person they're supposed to be. Not who you want them to be. Not a clone of you. You keep them safe from harm, teach them how to learn, let them know you'll catch them if they fall, and you set them free!

[@mathewadams2929]

"Being good is only good if you do it for selfish reasons." Are you sure there's not a God, cause that sounded divinely inspired.

@@NormandyFoxtrot : That is how a psychopath thinks. And Ham and Hovind are textbook.

[@GeneralZod99]

@@NormandyFoxtrot In a very real sense, when we do for good for others we _are_ being selfish. If it feels good (gives you a warm fuzzy feeling or you feel pride), then you've done it for yourself. It isn't _merely_ selfishness, but there is no doubt in my mind that it is one of the many factors that goes into doing good deeds.

[@EnglishMike]

Later on in the video, Paul makes the point that if conservative Christians are so for increasing the population of their country (i.e. the USA), they should welcome immigrants with open arms. I actually heard a Catholic priest making this same pro-immigration argument on his call-in radio show on the very conservative Catholic radio network, Relevant Radio, and boy, did he hear it from his listeners. Everything he said was perfectly in line with Catholic teachings on caring for the hungry and needy, but the callers were outraged that he could express support and sympathy for those who were being denied asylum at the US borders.

[@jcgadfly6200]

Life doesn't begin with breath? "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Gen. 2:7, KJV) Ken doesn't believe that there are Answers in Genesis anymore?

[@WolforNuva]

Exactly what I was thinking of when he said it XD

[@huffpappy]

very good point. It would be lost on Ken Ham.

[@caligo7918]

That's why they did not take insects on the ark, they don't have lungs, so they don't breath, so no need to rescue. If god had just informed them on tracheal breathing....

[@bodan1196]

@Martian Engineer Wheather an embryo or not, is irrelevant. According to the story, human life began with a breath from God, which therefore is the more Bible-consistant opinion to have, on the question about when human life begins, that is; when the child takes its first breath. To claim that it begins at conception, is basically to acknowledge that the evolution theory is correct, and that God does his work through the process of evolution. Something rather inconsistant with everything else AiG says.

[@jcgadfly6200]

@Martian Engineer As others have said, Ken contradicted his God. You have a problem with it? Take it up with him.

[@plasmaballin]

Holy shit, they even deny the existence of the Oort Cloud? That took me off guard because it was so hilariously absurd.

[@comicbutserious263]

Joseph Noonan hmm to be fair although the theory behind the existence of oott’s cloud seems according to what i ve read well supported, observation of distant low luminosity objects prevents verification of it’s existence through observation. So it s quite possible to say, we ren t sure that the oort’s cloud exist however it seems that it does

[@mabatch3769]

Where exactly in the bible does it say life begins at fertilization? I must have missed that part.

[@j.a.greene3523]

That's where they "pick and choose" Science. They'll deny evolution all day, but as soon as Science is close to saying that life might possibly begin at fertilization, they jump all over that and say "See? It's scientific fact!".

[@bryanleonard8008]

Certainly not in Hosea 13:16

[@Dragoderian]

Considering beating a woman until she miscarries has a smaller fine than murder... well, the Bible really says the opposite.

[@Noromdiputs]

There are few scattered verses that mention God knowing people in the womb. There's also that one verse in numbers where priests can give abortions to adulteress women by giving them cocktails of dirt and stuff. As usual you can pick whatever versus you want to justify your point of view.

[@godfreyozzy7128]

To the contrary, the Bible doesn't recognise humans as individual people until they're two years of age.

[@jonfalan]

Carl Sagan is awesome, end of story. In utero sentience development varies from child to child. My daughter woke up very early. She was moving with purpose before her heartbeat could be detected. My son didn't do much of anything until 22 weeks, and he only really reacted to stimuli. Daughter was born aware and inquisitive, son was born being just chill and smiley.

[@Paxaboll]

Rachel's cartoon has wavy hair. I bet she likes it! Glad t see her here! I really like Rachel.

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

and other assets

[@smashexentertainment676]

I bet none of them actually even held in their hands "The Pale Blue Dot". All their knowledge on a topic came from short YT videos and other apologists at best. The real book actually explains every single point in great detail, all history, all myths, all knowledge that we have today. It gives an important perspective on your life. And I found out that astronomy is all I need to live and behave better than any christian would ever imagine. Thank you, Carl Sagan.

[@2ahdcat]

I like my Ham a lil blackened and my AiGs scrambled ;)

[@atheistbob8856]

Two of my favourite KZbin people together in one video... must be Christmas

[@hiericas]

Georgia saws dog like "du-wag"

[@phillyphakename1255]

She also says wolf like "woof". These wooves have hooves.

[@christophertstone]

You and Rachel are awesome together. This is one of the best News videos yet!

[@bryanleonard8008]

been missing my hamm and aigs!!!!

[@sinifexxephinis4310]

Rachel's laughter is fantastic. I really enjoy watching her videos and it's great seeing two atheists I love working together.

[@johnjordan3314]

Nice to hear Rachel Oates laughing again.

[@markhackett2302]

Carl Sagan was stating the definition of Cosmos by those who coined the word: the Greeks. Cosmos and Chaos. He even goes into it while walking on a semi submerged ancient greecian stone dock, precisely what he's going on about.

[@WCM1945]

I love how theists go on and on about "meaning" and "purpose". If the "meaning" or "purpose" is that we exist to spend eternity singing praise to a being that clearly has no _need_ for it, it all seems incredibly pointless with neither meaning _or_ purpose. Am I missing something?

[@MajesticMasiakasaurus]

Gotta be one of the best Ham & AiG episodes! Couldn't stop laughing through the whole thing! You two are amazing

[@dannyd1098]

oh, how I love Rachel Oates!

[@BabyShenanigans]

I'm a simple human being - I hear Rachel Oates's voice, I thumbs-up.

[@fred_derf]

By _Ultimate Purpose_ they actually mean a purpose imposed upon you by a "higher-being". They have no problem with an arbitrary purpose being opposed on them (that they have no say in) but *do have a problem* with an individual making a conscious choice for their purpose on their own. I don't understand a theist's thought process. BTW Kent, what's the problem with life being ultimately meaningless? That doesn't impact the meaning we give to life at the time, moment to moment. Making a sandcastle isn't meaningless even though it's going to be destroyed by the next high tide, there is meaning in the process, there is meaning in the temporal nature of its existence.

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

Got a "Hilldale College course on Genesis" ad. I let it run while I read comments, so you got the revenue. You're welcome.

[@veranicus6696]

I like Rachel's work. Together with the Thinking Atheist on of the best representation of humanistik ideas out there.

[@veranicus6696]

I agree. I haven't heard or read that being gentle or kind is a humanistik idea. Nor did i or will i equate these traits with humanism. I think and i received good results with respecting other peoples ideas or behavior , while criticising these. Respect and criticism are not mutual exclusive. I honestly believe indeed respecting the person your talking to is the best aproach in a conversation. Being nice doesn't nessesarally follows respecting a person, Imo of course.

[@sicdavid6292]

The book "Freakonomics" makes a great case about the falling crime rate after the pill reduced unwanted babies. Crime rates fell after a half a generation later when less unwanted babies were grown and on the streets. What are the cost benefits of not having more unwanted babies in jail?

[@josiatokirina1788]

Paul and Rachel I really enjoyed your intelligent honest critique and liked listening to your commentary. The hardest part, which always makes me cringe, is also having to hear Ham and his brainwashed Eggs spew garbage.

[@erictaylor5462]

I visited Anderson, Indiana a few years ago. They have a tone of vacant houses there, not because of a lack of babies, but because of a lack of jobs.

[@scienceexplains302]

“Universe” comes from the Latin for “combined into one”.

[@BoxPossum96]

My dad and I used to watch the original Cosmos collection on VHS. I remember as a child being filled with such a sense of hope and wonder by Sagan's presentations. Back then I felt like Humanity was headed towards some kind of exciting, space exploring future. Instead we're still arguing with an Australian fundamentalist about whether or not the Ark was real.

[@bendavid84]

Rachel Oates drinking game: Do a shot every time she says "But".

[@jane-marie3289]

...or "like", actually don't. You'll be dead from alcohol poisoning within minutes.

[@romainsavioz5466]

@@jane-marie3289 no that's more safe then drinking each time ken ham says some bullshit

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

I spend a lot of time thinking about something like Rachel's comment, "I really like that no one's ever seen one, can't be real...could they just listen to themselves one day, please"

[@josephpatterson2513]

My daughter in her Alabama public school biology class spent 2 days on evolution, two. And while the teacher was teaching evolution for 2 days he said numerous times that he doesn't believe it is true because he is a Christian and believes the Bible. He also said that nothing about evolution would be on the next test. So why is Ken Ham keep saying the public schools are teaching evolution when many of them sadly are not.

[@infinitedragonbellyx.x]

I really hope you told her about evolution and why it's real and how its important to our society.

[@thelastgreatdevolutionary1044]

@@infinitedragonbellyx.x Why is it real? How can it possibly be real...

[@infinitedragonbellyx.x]

@@thelastgreatdevolutionary1044 I will never understand how someone cant believe in proven statistics, but will gladly believe in mr imaginary man in the sky created the world in seven days and the only proof you need is in archaic, racist, sexist, book. A single book.

[@infinitedragonbellyx.x]

@@thelastgreatdevolutionary1044 Most of the medicines we take today (mostly antibiotics) exist because of evolution. In fact, we need to constantly improve on antibiotics be cause the viruses and bacteria are evolving and developing antibodies. Much of the food we eat looks almost nothing like it's original form. Thanks to mutations and evolution through selective breeding, we have delicious, edible food we eat now a days. Evolution is about adapting, it's not always beneficial, it's about mutations, environmental factors, and survival of the species. Our world is made up of many different, ever changing environments. Everything has to evolve to survive. Toads and birds are great examples.

[@thelastgreatdevolutionary1044]

@@infinitedragonbellyx.x ​Isn't it 66 books? That terrible book you are referring to gave you many of the rights you rely on to make your life relatively good like freedom of speech. Its also the best historical document from that time. Tell me what is your best statistical evidence for common descent?

[@sbunny8]

I think, for them, "traditional" means whatever was happening in 1950. Well said, Paul!

[@SnakeMan448]

"A wolf is a dog." a) Note the deliberately childish way of viewing things like this. b) Why don't you go up to a wolf and treat it like a dog?

[@sandeman1776]

Lol. I keep seeing a story on FB about something like that. Didn't end well. Lol

[@alyssahansen1400]

It's the other way around. A dog is a wolf. A wolf may be a dog but it may also be what the public considers to be a wolf- which is a type of wild canine. People get it confused because often it is said they belong to the 'dog family' to make it easier to understand. Those in the dog family are related to dogs not necessarily types of dogs. They are all types of canines. Some of them are dogs but not all.

[@williambarnes5023]

Some wolves are dogs, some are not. All dogs are wolves. All wolves are canines. Some canines are wolves, some are not.

[@alyssahansen1400]

@@williambarnes5023 Exactly. You are far more concise than I, hahah. It's a rectangle or square thing where the wolf is the rectangle and the dog is the square.

[@CalgaryViking]

@Marilyn Newman I hadn't heard about a wolf project but they've been working with Silver Foxes since the 50's. They've bred enough generations that they now have foxes with more "dog like" features including colors, curly tails and floppy ears. They weren't traits that were chosen, but a side effect of breeding for tameness. There has been at least one documentary on this, a very interesting watch. They were also trying to find out if the tameness was genetic or how they were raised by transplanting fertilized eggs from tame females into wild females and vice versa.In 1959, Russian scientists began an experiment to breed a population of silver foxes, selecting and breeding foxes that exhibited friendliness toward people. They wanted to know if they could repeat the adaptations for tameness that must have occurred in domestic dogs.

[@MarcStjames-rq1dm]

Thank goodness for Ken Ham for he gave us Paul.

[@Paulogia]

Indirectly, yes.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

When god-botherers say I have no "ultimate purpose", I say; at least I have an actual purpose, as opposed to the fantasy purpose that they have.

[@Camrela]

Oh my I really loved you two together and was not ready for it to end.

[@hoosierbuddy1251]

Ken may be on to something with the parent child relationship. Maybe we could ask Ronald Reagan's son Ron Reagan about his religious views.

[@nathanielgrey4091]

Rachel, you are a treasure.

[@ScottM1973]

27:28 I think having a baby so the economy doesn't implode is an amazing reason to have kids! Hahahahahahahahaha! Take one for the team people!!

[@KeithCooper-Albuquerque]

Thanks for this funny and entertaining video! Thanks also for having the luscious Rachel Oates on with you (YUM, YUM)! Seriously I do respect her content and her important input to our cause!

[@kingalexandersgodshapedhol7514]

They seem to forget about all the concubines in the Bible.

[@kylelloyd4437]

I too used to put on Carl sagan videos at night to fall asleep too. Love that show!

[@Qballl]

Alright yall we all know that, that is Fry's dog

[@dacksonflux]

lmao You be ashamed of yourself for this. 🤣

[@simonparmar2051]

Miss Oates has a beautiful voice (as well as being very pretty herself) and a cute giggle. Her voice is nice to listen to.

[@MsDjessa]

17:11 This is what I have thought. Sentience. And I'm also not going to have children. But considering I am trans, I suspect Ken wouldn't want me to reproduce anyway, so why is he complaining?

[@camwyn256]

I am the last direct descendent of King William Williams, one of the last and by far the craziest King is Ireland. His line ends with me. I do want to have kids, but I will adopt. There’s far to many children just in the US in our terrible foster care system. This alone is enough of a reason, but I have several other reasons

[@stefankane852]

*sniff* I am an atheist science-loving and oriented Boomer, we aren't all creationist goobers!!!!

[@capitalb5889]

OK, boomer.

[@Tcubed70]

Rachel's giggling is infectious!