Old Lure On A Lathe

[@Arfabiscuit]

Great video with in depth explanation of how to make and put the whole shebang together ,very easy to understand thanks for the shoe in Martin

[@61diemai]

Yes , that is what I look like , LOL . This lathe of mine is actually meant to be used with a drill , has a 43mm dia. clamp to accommodate any drill . But a workmate presented me with a souped up electric motor many years ago , it has a steel flange fitting into the clamp and also that 13mm chuck , works much better than a drill . Tool rest rail also homemade of solid aluminium , since on the die cast original one the thread of the chisel rest's fixing screw tore out . Good luck , Dieter

[@PaulAdamsTheHandmadeFisherman]

I really like this style of lure i have been looking at vintage lures lately and thinking about firing up the lathe. I have rule about tidying up my workshop, i don't; i wait until it gets too messy to work in and then go work in someone else's. It is great hear and see you talking about your lures especially making them.

[@pikemax888]

I enjoy watching this video Dieter , i think after watching you i will attempt this lure ,, i like the design ,, i hope it has nice action .. thanks again great video.

[@AandB1998]

You've provided a lot of information and described it very well. Thank you!

[@61diemai]

@ AandB1998 That was my intention , ....glad to hear , that it obviously worked out ! Thanks a lot for chiming in and commenting , .......tight lines , Dieter

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , North , glad that you've enjoyed it . In fact this is only one out of a few methods how to shape a timber lure , .....I've already got my mind spinning about making more vids displaying these , ......so let's see . Cheers, Dieter

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , Martin , .....always glad about such positive feedback , surely encourages me to make some similar clips , if I'd find the time to do it ! Tight lines , Dieter

[@wayned5872]

Wonderful lure Dieter!!

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , Wayne , ......this type of lure is about the oldest type of a diving lure , that floats up at rest , around for more than 100 years now . And they still catch today !

[@wayned5872]

@@61diemai I'm gona try to make it his from cedar, oak , poplar woods

[@61diemai]

@@wayned5872 Well-seasoned poplar and cedar would be the better choices from your mentioned options , oak ist too hard , too heavy and too dense(not to mention that it is harder to work with) . During many years of lure making I've found out , that denser and heavier hardwoods do not provide sufficient wiggle and action to a wiggling lure , as more mass has to be moved by the diving vane shouldering into the water . It is in the nature of the design , that the integrated diving vanes of these lures do not provide such a pronounced , strong and regular wiggle compared to more "modern" lures sporting glued-in or screwed-on diving lips do as these lips potrude further over the lure's belly , thus provide better leverage in the water . The swimming action action of these old-time lure models with their integrated diving vanes is somewhat more smooth and irregular in it's frequency . This is why a lighter timber material is more essential for these oldtime lure models , ...for same reason any added ballast also is counterproductive on such lures with integrated diving vanes . Many years ago I've made two comparable ones of such lures both of lighter and denser wood , and the one of denser wood did not swim as well , those heavier lures also have more tendency to overturn and blow out , as the lesser buoancy does not provide as much side stability whilst swimming along . Also carried out such experiments with two same lures sporting plastic diving lips , also here the one made of denser hardwood did not wiggle as nicely and at a smaller frequency and also was subject to blow-out on higher paces of retrieve , compared to the one made of lighter thus more buoyant timber . Anyway , I'm wishing you good luck with your efforts , as nothing beats the satisfaction of catching fish on our own homemade lure creations . Tight lines , Dieter

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , gald you liked it ! On the TackleUnderground there is an old thread titled "my latest lure test video" , I'd strongly advise you to sign in there and utilize the search function to access it in the hardbait forums , more how-to info about the Rush Tango Minnow there , sketches of accurate measurement as well . The action is a regular wobble at a frequency not too high , but in detail really depends on body dimensions , lip angle and tow eye position . Good luck , Dieter

[@littleriverbaits]

Thank you for sharing! Great info on the line ties, I will surely use when I make this bait. Thank you!!!

[@61diemai]

Yeah , Vic , ....line tie position is really critical , as no lip tweaking possible , also added ballast would most likely not do any good , ....I reckon , that you had watched the swim test video as well ? There is a thread on TU dealing on the genuine "Rush Tango Minnows" , if you haven't come across yet : www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/17724-my-latest-lure-test-video/?&hl=%20rush%20%20tango Good luck , Dieter

[@NorthernScript]

this is awesome Dieter!! it was like watching an episode of how its made. i loved the length, watching it in two parts to spread out the fun. i was so curious how you carved your lures. this answered everything! great job. stay true, North

[@Gronkullaskolan]

Thank You very much!!! Good instructive video. I would love to se a short clip of how the lures behave in water. We have just started to prduce our own lures and it's a bless if we can watch what kind of movement comes with different shapes and models.

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , Mikko , when filming I haven't noticed , that it would be that long , and I do not have the time or nerves to mess around with an editing program . I have not done a cupped lip before , simply because I always used to be into the steeper angled "Rush Tango" so far , and cupping the lip on this one would mean to probably have it too thin for the wire form line tie . But with these less 45°-30° angled lips and screw eye line tie it's possible , gotta try , thanks for that hint !

[@NorthernScript]

i cant wait!! really glade to hear that there is more. this shits a HIT! .. North

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot ! Tight lines , Dieter

[@61diemai]

Danke schön , .....ich denke , das ich nach all den schnellen , positiven Reaktionen hier wohl von Zeit zu Zeit noch mehr solche Videos machen werde , .....besonders , wenn im Januar bei uns die Raubfischschonzeit beginnt ! Gruß , Dieter

[@fishingtheeast4898]

Okay sounds good . I'll give it a check in a few mins I wanna make or get I about 7 to 8 inches for the surf . And inlets that I fish I main go out for striped bass n blue fish as well

[@billpiatek4964]

Not a problem with the length. My better half walked in at the beginning ... so that's what Dieter looks like eh. :-) Still trying to figure out a tailstock for my cobbled up drillpress becomes a lathe. Charred some wood and melted some teflon so far. Gotta find something with ball bearings.

[@fishingtheeast4898]

Yeah was thinking it doing a wood cast and then going on from a resin base bait for salt water as well base to be more durable n stronger I'd have to give it a try n experiment with it

[@61diemai]

Somewhere on "tackleunderground.com" there is a thread of mine containing exact measurements taken from genuine vintage "Rush Tango Minnows" , maybe you should sign in and meet me there(diemai) ? If you should be in need , you'd also get help there about ALL questions regarding ALL kinds of lures . But maybe you can't use the deeper diving "Tango's" for the surf , as they'd dig down 4 to 10 feet , depending on size and buoyancy ,.....they just have a bigger diving vane pointing more forward compared to the lure in the video , but otherwise are the same style . Good luck , Dieter

[@SolarfallBaits]

i really like that old school style lure shape, also like the fact that this was a really indepth video and long, its a shame that the average youtube watcher has the patience for max 5 minute long vids. btw just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to make the lip into a more like a cup shape i bet that would make the lip "scoop" more water and thus help it wobble more?

[@pablom12345687]

excelent job!!!!!

[@61diemai]

This would probably be more elaborate , ....but if I should feel like doing it , I think I will some day . Greetz , Dieter

[@billpiatek4964]

Thanks, I found a couple of those reasonable on Amazon. Think I'll quit messing around with a drillpress.

[@swissfishs6599]

Great! mehr solche videos bitte

[@gaanjuit404]

Tnx 4 sharing ❤

[@61diemai]

Thanks !

[@fishingtheeast4898]

Question once it's made to just a body can I make cast molds out of and make hard plastic once as well to ?

[@61diemai]

I do not have any experiences with resin cast lures , but if some guys are making multiple sectioned swimbaits out of resin , this simple lure shape should come pretty easy , I suppose , .......just a matter of adding enough microballoons to your resin to achieve the right buoancy , ....also you should go thru-wired , I reckon ? Good luck , Dieter

[@donak1982]

Nice video, looked ist for 46,23 minutes. Dieter what does Lathe mean in german? Drehbank? When i don´t clean up my workshop it looks messi like yours. :-) But i take the time to clean it up, sometimes. Like that your tutorials are in english, so i have to listen that language and enhance my school english. Thanks for that, nad thanks for such nice lures. Like your "retro lures" Gruß Alex

[@mihaiuk41]

Brilliant!!!!

[@61diemai]

Thanks , ...glad that you like it !

[@outdoorman6018]

can I make this lure a jointed plug for Muskies and tiger muskie? i like the swimming action in the tub test video and would like to know if you have tried to make a jointed version of this lure? and would it work if I made it bigger than the one in this video? 12 inches or longer I use red ceder will that make a difference in action great video my friend tight lines my friend

[@61diemai]

+outdoors man In theory it is possible , off course , I have made very few jointed versions as well ! BUT , .....I have concerns about the sheer size and volume of such large lure , meaning that being made of Red Cedar it would turn out extremely buoyant , thus might not dive properly , maybe just a few inches deep or even turn out a wake bait . And as I've stated in the video , added ballast to such lures with an integrated diving plane is also problematic , especially a jointed lure won't forgive too much ballast in the rear section . On the other hand , a lure of a less buoyant sort of timber would tend to dive deeper, but also heavier material does dampen the wiggling action , that is a rule of thumb about any kind of timber lure , ....the more dense material , the more sluggish the action , ....vice versa , .....the lighter the material , the more lively the action . So I guess , that you would not get around some trial and error , .....I'd suggest to keep the lurebody somewhat more slender to decrease volume thus buoancy a bit , .....naturally for muskie you would also assemble heavier and sturdy hardware , which would also decrease buoancy to a certain grade . As a little input you might google term "Heddon Gamefisher" , this is a double-jointed vintage lure of that style , though it's lip portion is a little different and irregular shaped . You might also sign in on www.tackleunderground.com , if you'd need further assistance , some great guys around there always willing to help fellow lure carvers out , .....also there is a thread there about the old "Rush Tango Minnow" , ....the earliest "ancestor" of this type of lures , dating back to about 1915 , ......I've once put up exact measurements taken from original(one piece) lures there . Good luck and best greetings from northern Germany , Dieter

[@outdoorman6018]

+61diemai thank you so much for your help and advice on how to make it work for me and I will look at that site as well! what wood do you think i can make it out of that will give me a nice midd water running depth 4 to 6 feet deep

[@outdoorman6018]

+61diemai thank you so much for your help and advice on how to make it work for me and I will look at that site as well! what wood do you think i can make it out of that will give me a nice midd water running depth 4 to 6 feet deep

[@61diemai]

+outdoors man I'm not too familiar with your timbers over there in the US , ....I know Red Cedar , since a friend from Tennessee had once send me some samples , ......is Basswood or Poplar even heavier than Red Cedar ? At least these are the three timbers , that I know to be mainly used for lures in the USA , ........for heavier lures , in particular glidebaits I'm also using Teakwood , ....but remember , ..for a lure of your intended size you'd need quite a big log to turn down on your lathe . Good Luck , Dieter

[@outdoorman6018]

+61diemai I can get all kinds of wood I have a friend at the saw mill that can get me all woods from around the world I just wanted you're input on this I'm willing to make it a little smaller if I have to not a big deal to me tight lines from the America my friend

[@harmdeiman6761]

hi hi i'm trying to make lures in this way but i can't get them wright. they don't wiggle and will not dive? can you help me with some tips

[@61diemai]

+Harm Deiman Quite impossible to do here on KZbin , as it takes a bit of communication and also posting pictures and deatailed describtions about your problems with the faulty lures . I would advise you to join www.tackleunderground.com/ , it's the wolds largest lurebuilding forum based in the USA . I figure out , that you are located in the Netherlands , so if you should probably understand German, you may also join forum.mt-lures.de/index.php ........a Dutch site , that is related to luremaking is www.lurebuilding.nl/index.html .......but this one does not have a forum for discussions , as far , as I'm concerned . Such forums have always helped out newbie luremakers to get their first lures to perform , ...just join in , post your questions along with some pictures in there and surely someone would lead you on the right path . Good luck , Dieter BTW , .....I'm also active on both the German and the US forums , my screenname there is "diemai" .

[@harmdeiman6761]

Hi yesterday i joined tackleunderground. I will send some pictures tonight... now i'm of to work 😀

[@61diemai]

+Harm Deiman Saw your initial post in there , ...looking forward to see your lure pictures , ......Greetz , Dieter

[@nickfano793]

What is Lip angle & length.

[@61diemai]

Actually I don't know , did the lure freehanded ,........a longer head con results into a more forward pointing diving plane for deeper diving ,a shorter head con as shown results into a more downward pointing diving plane for shallower running . Some more info about more accurate versions of the old "Rush Tango Minnow" in here : www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/17724-my-latest-lure-test-Video Actually one can make such lures differently in terms of lip angle , body shape , etc. to get different swimming actions ,...best is to make a simple sketch for yourself to work after, try making different versions to see , what works best for you . Good luck , 61diemai

[@paulgigs335]

what size lathe are you using? thanks

[@61diemai]

+Paul Giglio It's not a genuine lathe , rather a lathe device consisting of a aluminum base rail, a clamp mount with a 43mm standard bore to fix an electric drill , tool rest and a tailstock with a tip . Instead of a drill I have a pimped electric motor with a 43mm flange and a chuck to clamp the center tip piece , ......that motor just generates more power than a cheaper drill , also runs smoother . Center tip clearance above the base rail is about 8cms , max. distance between tips is about 60cms ,.........so to me it is enough for hobby luremaking , but also just not a real woodworking pro's power tool ! Greetz , Dieter

[@charlescushman1798]

Can you make a painting video sometime.

[@61diemai]

Thanks a lot , but my own English is far from being perfect , LOL , doing my vids in English , simply because they reach far more viewers this way , rather than making them in German . Wish that I would take the time for cleaning up as well now and then , but it always bothers me , that within the time required to do so , I could do a couple of lures instead , LOL . The term "lathe"can be "Drechselbank" as well as "Drehbank" in German , but the latter can be called "milling machine" as well .

[@61diemai]

.......a little more patience , please , .....have to work down some other lures before ! Greetz , Dieter