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[@nebeskisrb7765]

When we're ranting about old people, my mother (who is 69yo) is angry at me for not making her a Facebook account. I told her "Try, it's made so anyone can do it and it's translated to our language so you don't even need to know English", but no, she won't even attempt to do it and will just nag me for being a bad son.

[@SusSpooder]

Why would you make someone you love a Facebook account? Your mum might be onto something. 😅

[@oxoniumgirl]

I find that old folks who refuse to try things unfamiliar with them are just overly filled with fear of failure. They have no idea what could go wrong and they're literally intimidated into a state of inept paralysis by the prospect of not being instantly good at something new. If you want to try for a resolution that doesn't involve giving in to her demands and also ekes out a win for you, sit down with her and address her fears with simple short statements about how safe and risk free making a small mistake is. If you're there in person with her she'll probably be willing to try doing it herself too, she just wants the feeling of safety that comes from having an expert on site with her and she's looking to you to be that expert.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Probably best she doesn't go on facebook if we're honest. XD

[@stonic5]

Imo she knows she can do it. But the bonding and shared experience of getting you to help is more important to her.

[@nebeskisrb7765]

The "bonding" experience is her dumping the phone on me and them going off to do whatever she finds important at the moment. This has happened before.

[@DrBananananananananananananana]

Sorry bro my blacksmithing skills are INCREDIBLE.

[@123nicanor]

Speaking of blacksmithing, In Poland, there are still blacksmiths making swords, you can legally carry a sword (yes even around cities) and you can actually still duel someone to the death with a sword as long as both parties agree on some sort of contract. Not sure if it entirely true, but I saw this fact on an actual Polish swordsman and blacksmith part-time youtuber. He was invited on a lavish party where a rich guy offered him to duel (to the death) another swordsman for their (I think) amusement and he explained that it was a thing over there. Blacksmithing. It's really interesting.

[@jackblades90]

yeah but they are gay

[@Vacerous]

A sharp dressed man in a pink fuzzy cowboy hat with a British accent ranting about the elderly............What an incredible combination

[@causticmain5002]

I believe with all my balls we should NEVER get rid of cash under any circumstances. However, thank you for educating me on the legal tender argument. Now I can be slightly less annoying.

[@J0hnzie]

Unfortunately, I doubt the depth of your belief. Show us your balls.

[@animusnocturnus7131]

Seconded. I don't believe that my bank should be able to track every type of transaction I do, and I default to paying with cash as much as possible due to that exact reason.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Don’t worry, as long as countries like Zimbabwe exist cash will never disappear. 😂

[@pancakerzzz]

if cash isn't useable, what is the purpose of it? it literally has one use, and businesses try to deny people using it for that one thing..

[@DelDel__]

It's like my dad who always has to ask me how to upload images from his phone onto his PC. He doesn't even search it up on the internet, he just asks me all the time. And he can't remember a single step. Like ever.

[@Xanthelei]

My dad keeps wanting to sell stuff on Craigslist (lol) and the last time he did I made him take notes and straight up told him this was the last time I was going to walk him through it. To his credit, he hasn't asked since, but not to his credit, he also hasn't wanted to sell anything for a while.

[@themothman3726]

I myself take no issue with explaining tech to older people, as you said though then not remembering anything part is what makes it exhausting. I understand that an older person might not remember all the ins and outs but if they can't even remember the terminology that is going to be required to explain something then I'm mad.

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

I'm kinda mixed on this. While I do agree with "it's not new, you're just being difficult", I don't agree with the idea that society going cashless is in any way a good thing. That just puts your ability to make transactions in the hands of a third party, which is *extremely bad*. Also, future = good thinking leads to some of the problems we have today. I'm not saying to flip it to "future = bad" like the old generation is doing, but there's somewhere in the middle: Future is future, good is good, and the two are not garaunteed to be related. We as a species really need to start evaluating things more actively. Is it good that we don't know how to do some things ourselves anymore? Or conversely, do we still need to be able to read analog clocks? Does something being more advanced make it better, or does it just make it harder to fix when it's broken? Is the problem with AI that it's taking away people's jobs, or is the problem that extreme productivity runs into conflict with the idea of working to live?

[@no_genius]

the main person who’s tracking my card transactions is me, I don’t think I get anything out of using cash for most of my transactions. It’s useful for tipping, but otherwise using cash means getting cash out of my account, so I’m reliant on the same card + being able to find machines that don’t charge for withdrawals. And you can still use cash in most places, I don’t lose anything by being able to easily pay without cash

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

@@no_genius Sure, and that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there must always be atleast one way to transact that does not allow for third party interference, which digital transactions do very much allow. Getting rid of that because "it's inconvenient" is very much throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[@animusnocturnus7131]

@@no_genius All your card transactions can be tracked and accessed by any employee of your bank who is able to look into your account, which often means everyone working there besides maybe the facility manager. Now of course most employees of the bank aren't interested in this, because you're not important enough to look into, but if the employees can look into it, the bank can use it to profile you, and it likely does, and with banks being those extremely moral institutions that would never think about doing anything illegal or legally grey or even morally questionable, there's certainly no way they'll use this to make money off of you and sell your data to other companies.

[@asktherisk1636]

This is coming from the man streaming morrowind.

[@ericgoodman3510]

underrated comment there lol

[@LasherTimora]

I agree with everything EXCEPT the bit about cash. I find it mind boggling that there are businesses that do not accept cash. Fair to them if they don't want to, I'm not gonna kick up a stink about legal tender, but they aren't getting my business. I like cash, I can just take however much I need, I know how much I have without tapping buttons on my phone for 30 seconds, and I'm not at the mercy of the card reader working, or the bank not having an issue, or remembering my PIN number. (really, I don't know the PIN of my card. I use it for online shopping, where it's not necessary) Don't get me wrong, I like the technology we have with cards, internet banking, online payments and all that. Online shopping is probably the best (and worst) thing ever invented. And knowing how much money you have in total in 30 seconds is very useful, but that's useful when you're planning your finances for the next month, year, whatever, not when I just want to go to the corner shop and buy some strawberries.

[@Jan12700]

5:10 But isn't the opposite actually the case? Modern things in particular don't last that long and aren't repaired because they often can't be and it's cheaper to buy a new one. This is precisely why Right to Repair is so important.

[@SymbioteMullet]

You have a point, planned obsolescence of some things is indeed a real problem.

[@Salantor]

Imagine thinking that modern stuff built in a lot of cases specifically to be thrown away a few years down the line is somehow more durable than products from 10 or 20 years ago. Planned obsolescence has been a thing for years, and when it comes to things like software the quality is something that might be there, but is not guaranteed anymore.

[@ThunderPanzer]

it actually makes me so angry when some piece of tech I have stops working and I am not even allowed to disassemble it to check what is wrong without risking it never working again. Of course an entire generation is going to lack "DIY skills" if nothing can ever be repaired anymore. Not like you could just easily repair modern electronics, but stuff like batteries and other packages? easily replaceable. But no, you can't.

[@no_genius]

@@ThunderPanzer and who do we have to thank for that? Dead boomer Steve Jobs

[@martinsch]

It really depends on what decade we are talking about. 1960s: technology you bought back then is still working and will keep working in 200 years. 2000s: that shit is broken for more than 15 years now 2020s: might last for 20 years because consumers have become more aware of their rights as a customer to get refunds for broken things

[@nebeskisrb7765]

USD doesn't claim to be backed by gold for decades now.

[@voided_sun]

Only for like 50 years worldwide now so its fair the boomers haven't quite caught up yet.

[@jonjones4473]

Did you miss the part where he says they aren’t backed by gold

[@nebeskisrb7765]

Did you miss the part where he implies it is still written on the note?

[@Kuchhh]

@@jonjones4473did you miss the part where nebeski said the USD doesn’t _claim_ to be backed by gold?

[@voided_sun]

Why my comment got deleted but I still get notifications, what is this

[@Salantor]

4:40 Dude, most of our banks still use COBOL and have a very hard time migrating to anything else due to the complexity, requirements (it has to be blazingly fast), not understanding the existing codebase etc, and the number of COBOL devs in the world is shrinking. So yeah, being able to write it is a great skill and something worth bragging about, because we gonna need this kind of skills in the future, probably for decades. And it will be true about any technology, cause guess what? We don't replace old stuff fast enough, we just build on top of it or on the side. The internet is still mostly powered by jQuery, even though that library can be easily replaced by other solutions. But doing that would be a gigantic undertaking and nobody is gonna do it. So yeah, be proud of knowing older technologies. You would be amazed how popular those still are in vital places.

[@Xanthelei]

All I could think about when reading this is "It's Y2K all over again, nothing will get fixed until it's almost too late and then it'll cost millions of dollars to do in a month when it could have been hundreds of thousands over a few years, we have learned nothing."

[@Salantor]

@Xanthelei Hard to say, but the chance is there and not the smallest, sadly.

[@bryansans2564]

Preach! i work at a law firm and we migrate at the speed of smell

[@MopMaster1809]

The security issues introduced by contactless cards compared to chip/pin bother me - it's significantly easier to (potentially illegitimately) scan the data used to do transactions from a contactless card (there's essentially a tiny passive radio antenna inside one) than the chip on a chip/pin card, and not requiring something on top of the card (or the data) to use it just feels insufficient to me. Overall point of 'people who refuse to learn and complain about progress are silly' stands though.

[@SymbioteMullet]

That's why faraday cage wallets and card protectors had a spike of sales about 8 years ago, there was... i can't say it was popular, but there was an undercurrent of paranoid people who wanted to protect themselves from theft that way, especially when they realised that any smartphone can be set up for near-field communication without much difficulty. Fun fact: I had to correct myself and not use the acronymn of near-field communication, because that would have been unnecessarily confusing.

[@Lilitha11]

It shouldn't matter much practically, since most card readers today will accept contactless, chip, or swipe. Most cards have all of them too. Pulling out a check is pretty old school though.

[@leifroarmoldskred6370]

"I can still set the VCR" -- well that's a bald faced lie. I was there then. _Nobody_ knew how to set the VCR.

[@gungan5822]

It's literally no different from adding an appointment in the calendar on your phone.

[@josephteller9715]

Not true if you had a good quality VCR and not one of the cheap ones.

[@umphreak9999]

i think you might've just been kinda dumb

[@kolosmenus]

Ok, I have to say though, shops not accepting cash and requiring you pay with card seems to be a UK only thing. I've never seen it in any other european country. Poland has been using contactless payment as a standard pretty much everywhere for the last 15 years, but cash is still accepted.

[@umphreak9999]

as an american, we don't really have that issue, but what does come up a lot is people trying to use large bills ($50's and $100's) at places that don't accept them. most convenience stores and fast food places won't accept large bills as a theft deterrent, and trying to tell an old, entitled customer that i won't take a $100 bill for a pack of smokes or a Big Mac can be challenging

[@animusnocturnus7131]

I've encountered some restaurants in germany that do this.

[@kolosmenus]

@@umphreak9999 Accepting some bills and not others seems somehow even weirder to me

[@rokva5771]

@@kolosmenus I get it, my sibling used to work in a fast food joint, let's say that a burger and a soda costs 12,50 (No idea how much a burger and a soda should cost) so a bill of 20 or 50 maybe 100 would be fine, but then inevitably some douchebag would come with a 1000 an demand you give them all your change and God forbid you don't have enough change to give them.

[@millerjames908]

@@kolosmenus It's mostly because because you can't trust 16 year old to check if the bill is real. Also hundreds are the most attempted counterfeits

[@SapphireDragon357]

We once got a new garage door with a lock on the handle to replace our old one that only opened electronically. This meant that we could open the door manually, but also needed to actually put a key in it and unlock it. My grandmother tried for a few minutes to understand this, then complained about this newfangled technology that was keeping her from getting in the house like she used to. ....A lock. In a doorknob. With a key. Newfangled technology.

[@Klyttorius]

My pop never complained about new technologies. He didn't use what he wasn't interested in. He could do anything, build a playground, a cubby playhouse, outdoor decks, anything in the house break down from plumbing, locksmithing, to carpentry he knew exactly how to fix it. He could make his own jewelry and watches. He could draw up blueprints with the correct measurements and build a house himself. He invented machines for a relatively famous magician in my country from the 90's to use. He even got into stain glass window creating in his later years and they looked immaculately beautiful. Actually using and forming melted coloured glass to create the windows. Man was master of all trades to me. And he never boasted about his skills. He just did it. That's a real man right there. No one from our generation has all of those skills in one person. And that kind of saddens me. R.I.P pop.

[@smokinggnu6584]

That's a good grandad at the end there.

[@Gerritch]

Depends on where you are though. Here in Belgium shops have to be accept both cash and provide a way to pay electronically

[@Muhlum24]

I'm 36 and I find myself resisting the push to make everything electronic or digital more and more. Specifically forms of payment, it's control disguised as convenience. Cash is king.

[@MekareP]

I am an Administrator Assistant for an office supplies company. The old people bringing typewriter parts to you expecting them to not only be in stock but for you to know exactly what it is.... Fml. I am determined to not be left behind technology progress as i age. I refuse to be this way.

[@SwitchelSweets]

I personally think the declining DIY skills has less to do with the quality of our products and more to do with the fact that we’re not permitted to work on things ourselves. Usually when I see this complaint it applies to home repairs or tech repairs. DIY work on your car or electronics can void the warranty, and DIY on your rental property can violate your lease which has much bigger potential consequences. Where would we ever pick up and use these skills if we can’t practice them in our homes because they’re owned by someone else?

[@Serin9X]

I'm 42 years old. I can use a rotary phone. I can tune an analog TV. I can program a VCR. All of these abilities had some relevance to me when I was growing up and so I learned how to do them. They are completely worthless now. I am also capable of operating a touchscreen, using contactless payment, and understanding that technology moves forward and I'd better go with it if I don't want to be left behind shaking my fist at a cloud.

[@oxoniumgirl]

People usually don't fear change so much as they actually fear failure, and learning or trying something new is an invitation/opportunity for failure. If you want to try to get an old person with the times try addressing their unspoken fear of failure by reassuring them that mistakes won't be a big problem and that they won't be ridiculed or shunned for making a mistake. Old people have spent so long knowing how to do everything that they needed to do that they have forgotten what it was like to learn something new. They're usually not actually stubborn, they're terrified. That's why they get so agitated when confronted with reality and changes - they're scared. Every time they show their ignorance is an opportunity for you to show your heroism and courage and intelligence.

[@drewforchic9083]

I work at a Starbucks, have for 4 years. The entire time, my branch has been in this location. Some years before I started there, it moved to this location from across the block. We still get old people who walk in and ask "Oh, did you just move? When did that happen? I thought this store was over there!" Ma'am it's been here for literal years, longer than any of the employees have. It is right on the corner, more visible than the old location. How have you not bothered to notice.

[@hellraiser217]

"Ma'am it's been here for literal years, longer than any of the employees have. It is right on the corner, more visible than the old location. How have you not bothered to notice." You're assuming they've lived there all that time or have been in the area often throughout those years. Which may not be entirely true. People do go back and revisit places where they lived years ago, or drop by to reconnect with people who they haven't seen for some time. Now, sure, expecting things to change is a given. However, you'd be surprised how often it just doesn't click how much an area can change until you're revisiting it for the first time in years and everything seems just a little bit different. At the very least, giving the benefit of the doubt seems better than getting annoyed at people when you have nothing to gain from doing so. After all, the world has enough things worth making you genuinely angry without adding more yourself.

[@drewforchic9083]

@@hellraiser217 You're assuming I'm mad. I think it's amusing most of the time, or maybe bemusing at worst. It's especially funny when they ask a newer employee who didn't even know that the store used to be somewhere else and they don't even know what to say.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Look, if you're an able-bodied adult and can't put up shelves, then that's a problem. It's not complicated, but it's not necessarily *easy* either, which is why ideally, it's the kind of thing your parent/guardian/older relative should try teaching you at some point before you leave home.

[@piltdownfilms]

On the topic of places not taking cash, I do believe there are some states or municipalities here in the US that have either considered legislation to ban cashless stores since they end up discriminating against low income folks.

[@Sig509]

It varies among countries / states ect. In my country it is mandatory to accept cash, but he is in a pos-brexit UK, not a part of EU, so they can do whatever they want. And the argument is not only agains low income folks, but also homeless people / beggars, who you know, can get only cash. Same Same with people who for certain reasons are unable to establish a bank account. Anyway I am pro electronic money, as they are so convienient, BUT I am also pro choice in this matter. There should always be a cash option avaliable, unless we are speaking about some self-servicing store / service, then yes,. I can understand that as there is no human clerk present, then I can pay only with a card.

[@dungeonpastor]

Good idea. Cash should always be accepted.

[@no_genius]

@@Sig509can’t help thinking there’s an easier way to help homeless people than making everywhere accept cash...

[@josephteller9715]

MA has laws that they MUST accept cash for transactions, both retail and services. It was put in specifically to deal with APPLE planning on opening stores here that only accepted Apple Pay. The state did not trust them to accurate report sales tax etc and the plan was considered predatory on consumers and thus the law regarding CASH. It's been part of the state general laws for a number of years now.

[@thomasbuckley1436]

4:35 Except people still use COBOL in several businesses, and the act of converting it and all previous records to something else is almost a waste of time/ you'd still NEED to know COBOL in the first place to transition it. And it's a major problem with programming languages when saying 'Oh, this old language sucks. I wish there was a new standard' and that's how you end up with 40+ '''standards''', which all are somehow worse than something made in literal 50's. It's the standard for a reason.

[@secretpandalord]

That's not the reason. I'm a programmer. COBOL is a terrible language. There were better alternatives available at the time, let alone I'm the fifty years since. For the businesses (mostly banks) that still use COBOL, the reason it's standard is because it will take millions of dollars and months of work to replace with a newer and more efficient, and they just don't want to invest, despite the fact that it will cost them more in the long term.

[@thomasbuckley1436]

@@secretpandalord No, our reasons are actually the same, you just added more detail to it. It's a waste of time/money in the eyes of the banks. Not to mention the issue with the labor and training on the new system, because it'd be a miracle if whatever you're converting to all the people using COBOL magically know as well... In reality you'd lose most/any old timers who are COBOL experts who'll retire/quit out of the stubbornness, while you are hoping the ease of the new system will outpace the speed of the old guards knowledge. You're only going to train the top ring guys who stay and learn who'll be there for at least another 5-10 years, and then cut the rest and try and hire people who know that system. Because the world of business for programmers is so fucked that nobody wants to train anybody and just wants to steal each other's trained guys, which leads to this problem being exacerbated. And that process, which will probably take a year or more, you'd lose those millions hoping for a tens of millions efficiency return if all goes according to plan? I wouldn't take that risk unless I was in the sweet spot where tens of millions meant something and I wasn't razor thin in my profits.

[@miracookie444]

I just came back from a restaurant that accepts cash only (got lots of them here). The Chinese store next door doesn't accept card payments below 10 Euro. Cash is still the future in Germany, and cash must be accepted.

[@Voskos]

to be honest for small payments the banks destroy the business with fees so if you wanna support your local stuff just use cash

[@themothman3726]

I'm an upper level manager for a gas station. The "issues" I have to resolve are just stupid. One guy consistently complains about his vehicle overfilling and claims that it is the fault both my staff and pumps. He's been complaining about this for several months. The issue is his truck, his truck has an airlock that causes splashback and a leak in the fuel intake. He's complained as high as he can and despite all the evidence of him being wrong I've gotta compensate this guy with free stuff all the time. Old people are my least likable customers. To be clear I take no issue with compensating people who experience issues, it's just unfortunate that like 50% of the issues I have to compensate are really just old people complaining about things that either aren't problems or are not actually our problems.

[@Hexamus]

My mother, every time a new piece of tech came out, told us to learn it right away. I remember when DVDs became the standard, she put all the VHS tapes away and get as many DVDs as possible so we could get adjusted to it. When PCs started to enter homes more frequently, she saved to get a PC. Thing lasted until WoW came out and then we needed to upgrade lol. Point is, this little Peurto Rican woman from some small nowhere town encouraged us to stay updated with tech and she learned it as well. Woman is a champ.

[@theotherjared9824]

My mom openly admits to being this way. The world was better when the walkman was cutting edge. She will print webpages on paper and will somehow brick a device by panickly tapping on the screen if she accidentally opens the wrong app.

[@pyopyonyo3222]

Never aree to less options, always demand more.

[@zwmmbrl7974]

5:30 to be fair, DIY skills are becoming more important again with the sheer indifferency and sometimes even incompetency of contractors. Not to mention the astrronomic prices they demand. Dunno how it's in the UK, but here in Belgium people tend to DIY things as much as they still, especially the folks that dont live in cities. I certainly wish I had learned better DIY skills from my parents.

[@idowhatiwantdowhatisaygoog2361]

The main issue is the natural changes that people's mindset develops into as they age. It's the "manager" mindset, they don't want to do anything hands on themselves, they feel any work is a tiring waste of time as they've "done it all", and will tell others what & how to do things. This would be fine if they actually worked their way up to manager roles, but if they didn't or their only interactions are with family then they become a nuisance.

[@sirsquid577]

My bank still hasn't given me contactless card yet lol

[@Voskos]

change bank

[@animusnocturnus7131]

Mine did. I made them disable the function. If someone wants to pay with my card they are required to know my PIN.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Open a Monzo account?

[@ThinkingManCounter]

I don't know that it makes sense to claim that it's OK for a generation to be worse at DIY skills because "we can just pay someone to do it". What happens when there's nobody left that knows how to do it because the whole generation never learned and is therefore incapable? I don't expect things will get quite that bad, but I also don't think it's a good idea to be so dismissive about it.

[@Spectrum0122]

My Nanna is like this. She complains about technology, yet makes no attempt to learn it. Yet my grandpa who smokes weed everyday has no problem

[@protiod]

It's not new, it's not even fangled

[@Brioshie]

My mum when showing her anything new: "Oh I can't learn that at my age". She's being saying that for 40 years...

[@electricboogaloo3414]

Funny enough though; Computer skills are declining because of tablets and iphone. I’ve seen my younger classmates struggle with their laptops im class. E.g. No one knew what a zip-file was. «It won’t open!»

[@hoodiegal]

I've heard stories of teens today not knowing what a folder or a right-click is, which i can totally understand if you've grown up with smartphones and tablets and never had a reason to use an actual PC, so not knowing about zip-files isn't surprising to me.

[@deryckbrown7834]

I live in Scotland. Shops in England don't 'have' to accept my Scottish notes I agree, they are assholes if they don't though.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Simple rule, does it say “sterling” on it? Fair game. 😂

[@Octokaizer]

In the old people's defense, half the damn time those contactless payments don't work. Every time I go into a store it's a 50/50 whether their system is working that day or not. And some stores still don't have that as an option at all, including some major chains. For example none of the walmarts near me have the option to pay that way, so it is entirely possible to have gone shopping weekly for the last 10 years and not encountered one.

[@Karaksonen]

Old people refusing to learn put aside; You do realize that currency being almost exclusively digital now is kind of a bad thing, right? Stories of people having their bank account frozen for things they said should give you pause and consider if hard cash is truly irrelevant. Honestly, the disregard of having hard cash and putting your full trust in your bank/government to not screw you over is terrifying to me.

[@Arexmajen]

See, I'm in my mid-30s and use cash for everything. It's easier for me to notice when a budget I've made with cash is disappearing than it is swiping my card everywhere, forget to check my balance, and suddenly it's all gone. But I completely agree with Josh here. Sure, I would hate to be in the situation where I can't pay with cash. But, at the end of the day, I'd just swipe my card and call it an L for me. I probably would never go back to that particular shop again, but all in all it's still my fault and problem.

[@philritter9042]

I have to disagree with “We just buy things that last longer and pay someone else to fix it”. Most people but cheap shit and throw it away and buy something new once it shows any kind of defect. Just take smartphones I’m certain these things are designed to break quick so people buy new one every year or so which many do

[@atomsk01]

Stateside, all of our bills have "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private." Cool now I have another thing to talk about with my penpal in Yorkshire!

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

I used to work retail in the UK and I recall one or two occasions where Americans would essentially quote their own laws at us - our response was normally, “We don’t do that here.” 😂😂

[@KHJohan]

Contactless became standard on all new cards around 8 years ago in my country. It did exist before that, but it wasn’t part of the default card.

[@Vilamus]

Ageing is inevitable, but I think that "getting old" is a choice, firmly illustrated by Josh's granddads.

[@antoniogabrielmontes7439]

I'm 34 and I COBOL programmer. Do with that information what you will

[@LaylaSpellwind]

My speaker has been on the fritz lately, deep voices make it reverb aggressively. Josh's voice is around the perfect pitch to test it so I've been listening to a lot of Josh lately while trying to fix my speaker. I have no idea what I'm doing in regards of fixing, but I feel as though I'm learning while I do it. Which seems to be something old people think they cannot do. You'll often hear things like "Can't teach an old dog new tricks." First off... yes you can, a dog is never too old to learn... second off, you're not a dog. It's a myth that it's easier for people to learn things at a younger age. In fact, at an older age, your brain is better developed, you should be having an easier time learning. I'll admit, I'm bad at learning things in an educational environment, hence why I'm not out getting six doctorates right now. But through doing things with my hands? Yeah, I can learn, no problem. I'm around Josh's age and not even nearly ready to stop trying to learn things. I hope I never get to that point.

[@d.wolfin152]

You laugh now Josh, but this is us in the future about checkouts having people to swipe and bag your items for you~

[@Gatrax]

I will say Josh, we might be the same age but I totally understand complaining about prices regardless of age. the older I get the more I see the price of milk and toilet paper and go "god damn why"

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Cheques are so annoying. And it’s really annoying when the government insists on sending you one when they owe you money. I legitimately feel like screaming at them “NOBODY DOES THIS ANYMORE!!!” because when you go to the bank to cash it - even the people at the bank give you a pitying look because they know this!

[@Biodebatable]

5:26 ALSO that's the fault of the older generation not teaching those skills to the younger generation.

[@hyvsan9425]

I’m 29 and I’m like 10-20 years behind in technology.

[@dungeonpastor]

Contactless cards aren't 15 years old as standard.

[@no_genius]

They are in the UK, so it’s true for the boomers Josh was talking to.

[@dungeonpastor]

@@no_genius really? We didn't implement them in the US until 2016 or so.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

@@no_genius I would say that although it was “standard”, it really became universal in about 2015/2016. I worked in retail from 2014-2020 and that’s when I noticed the shift.

[@disastideas5209]

On the cash thing, establishments not accepting cash payment is one of the more subtle kinds of gentrification though!!

[@eddythefool]

When you said apple watch is ten years old i instantly turned to dust. In my head ten years ago is still 2000.

[@pumirya]

I can’t wait to hear all the old people rants 20 years from now, lol. We laugh at them now, but we’re going to be in those shoes sooner than we would think.

[@Sig509]

Look at that loser, he is unable to use a halographic interface, lewd. It may very well happen, that we will be so used to the form of technology we grow up, that if some radical change would happen, then we will be lost. Many older people had difficulties with touchscreen in the phones, as they were used to the simplet ones, with physical buttons. Who knows how we will react in our 60's to a holographic, or VR interface.

[@SymbioteMullet]

Oh, these kids with their direct mind-machine interfaces, who really wants to have digital copies of themselves as personal assistants!? Back in my day we actually _talked_ to people, rather than assimilating nerve impulse facsimiles!

[@Nat-ri3ip]

To be fair, programming in Cobol is a skill even today that will give you a good job in banking software devlopement and the lack of repair skills (and how much obstacles companies put) is an important problem nowadays. Which make your granddad even mroe amazing.

[@404_kayjay_not_found]

In Germany, stores do have to accept cash (and tbh as far as electronic payment goes, it's always been a bit behind here and there), BUT, they are permitted to refuse being paid in change if said change contains over 200 single coins. After all, the need to count and verify the amount etc is impeding the regular flow of business. Of course there may also be the opposite problem of trying to pay in a small-town bakery with a 500€ bill but as you can imagine that does not exactly happen a lot. RE: old people and tech, at one point both my mum and my gramps were way ahead of me. Gramps has passed and mum is starting to struggle with some of the newest stuff, but neither of them were the typical ignorant elderly. If anything I was the ignorant one lol.

[@Jan12700]

Du hast noch 500€ Noten? Die gibt es doch eigentlich seit Jahren kaum noch

[@404_kayjay_not_found]

@@Jan12700 Hat ne ganze Weile gedauert, bis ich die ausgegeben hab, eben weil man die nicht so oft in der Hand hat. Aber länger unbenutztes Bargeld ist letztendlich auch nur Wertverlust mittlerweile, also hab ich inzwischen weniger Hemmungen beim Ausgeben.

[@umphreak9999]

2:30 yes, and federal law says that (as long as it's not discriminatory), businesses have the right to refuse service. Edit: "depending on the state," if i decide not to accept your $50 bill because i don't have the change or don't want to accept large bills as a theft deterrent, i'm 1000% within my right.

[@Defixio.]

No joke, we didn't get contactless card pay options in my area (in the places i shop) till like 2 years ago.

[@Lilitha11]

Well prior to that, is probably the chip. I think most people have probably used their card in the wrong way before. The question is, do you get slightly embarrassed for 10 seconds and now you understand the new way things work, or do you rant about it for the next 10 years.

[@MineKynoMine]

Lmao my work still accepts cheques

[@JohnSmith-ef2rn]

Old people can learn how to use technology. I work with medical consultants - one of my 70 year old consultants knows how to use his iPhone perfectly. Knows how to use a computer and medical software just fine. Can type perfectly well. He knows how to use it, because he TRIES. He doesn’t want to depend on anyone to help him.

[@85Spawn85]

I'm 40 now and I think the same. I think those people were old even when they where young. They don't even know what a computer is and they have been arround since I was born.

[@ilyatepeyolotich6459]

Said a streamer who only plays games that are old enough tootder a beer for themselves

[@animusnocturnus7131]

So 15? XD

[@vitgerivaz]

miss me with using credit cards, never in my life will I own one. Also, cash money for everything except online shopping (because they won't accept cash). not that I've bought anything online for over a year now. I own my money, I have it on my hand. Not the bank or some random payment processor that can cutr my access at any moment for any reason, as we've seen in several countries now.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

“Several countries” is an interesting way to describe China. 😂 All I would say is though, have fun with a totally debased currency - paper money doesn’t have the same effect that it used to. Zimbabwe learnt the hard way that printing more of it doesn’t make it more valuable.

[@vitgerivaz]

@@Nikelaos_Khristianos you forgot Canada by the way. You also forgot the fact that big payment processors like paypal have been blacklisting companies, websites and people for political reasons. So much so that rupay, the biggest russian payment processor has been gaining popularity as an alternative. Also, printing more paper money is basically the same thing that all banks in the world already do on the daily with digital money, via fractional reserve loans. Which is one of the biggest contributors to inflation.

[@Kar4ever3]

Beware. Keep in mind the Simpsons quote. "I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!"

[@chrisnorris7527]

In canada, a competing store to mine doesn't accept lots of coins. Why? Laziness. It doesn't make sense. They're a gas station. If the gas is pumped and all they have is change, they have no choice anyway. (Prepay isn't required here). There's no pennies! It's almost always rolled anyways but these (Damn kids) cashiers are so spoiled. Back in my day I was counting pennies for hours! They don't wanna spend 5 mins rolling 100 dollars of loonies? Jesus.

[@urpo2418]

Josh really showing his age with this one, talks like the people he's complaining about

[@Voskos]

In the only thing I agree with old people is that we didn't have that social media stuff and we just talked to other people, that I miss and I am sad less people are doing it nowadays

[@Lilitha11]

I am like 40 and I have not written a check in probably 15 years.

[@Kyller3030]

please don't abandon cash k thx

[@mistermysteryman107]

Only. It says on American dollars. This is legal tender both public and private.

[@zeroremorse24x7]

If it's a business like a restaurant that gives you a bill after your meal or like a gas station that lets you pump before paying then they really should be setup to accept all the typical forms of payment, would be in their own best interests. Otherwise, yeah if it's pay first and they don't want to accept cash then it's whatever.

[@tsbulmer]

Old brains calcify, but so do young ones. It's sad in either case.

[@hellraiser217]

You see, you can argue the irrelevance of a lot of things which are old. COBOL? Not one of them. COBOL is used all over the place in older systems. Knowing it is genuinely useful and a skill which is still in demand broadly speaking. Companies complaining about the younger generation not knowing how to use COBOL aren't complaining because they're old. They're complaining because they have large amounts of code which still uses it which converting it to another language would cost large amounts of time and money and will be an all around genuinely complicated process. So having people who can work on those systems is something they need.

[@HollandTHG]

Pride in Obsolescence.

[@tedferkin]

I'm getting old, I love using new tech. the only thing I don't get is social media hype. I was the first person I knew to use Google pay, in fact I skipped using contactless and went straight to using my phone. That way i only have one thing to lose.... I'm totally screwed afterwards. In a way thank god my car doesn't open with a phone app or if i did lose my phone I'd have nothing and I don't know anyone's phone number (and possibly most addresses)

[@DeLuciosX]

Fight me, but I prefer cash for my day to day shopping. I have the tendency to impulse buying(like everyone else). If I see something that I want to buy, I see in wallet how much cash I have left and then can wage it against what I have and what actually I need. With contactless card, I don't have that. Also if a shop doesn't accept cash, they won't have a customer with me. Also, on old people learning new things. I have the feeling, that new technology doesn't come as natural to them as for us, because it wasn't part of their everyday life. then new things come so quickly but at first, they didn't had the need to adapt to them. Millennials or anything younger, we grow up with it and are more interested with keeping with the time as we grow up, it's part of our everyday life. At one point, you are comfortable with what you have, it works for your and satisfy any need you have. No need to jump on the new thing anymore, because the new thing doesn't enhance your daytoday life for now. But when you try to jump on the cool new thing maybe out of necessity, it's already old for the younger people. The newer thing is already there and that's where old people get confused. Which is it, that they need to adapt to? My father still has a flip phone and so no online banking. I tried countless times to convince him to change to a smartphone. It's not that he wouldn't understand it, he simply doesn't need to. His old phone works fine for him, he has his notebook(one from paper, not the smaller laptop) for important stuff and everything neatly organized. He literally has no problem in the modern world, despite pretty much living like it's 2004. I see this for myself with socialmedia apps people like 10-15 years younger than me use. I don't get them. I don't get how they work, whats it for and what I do with it. For them, it's their everyday life, but it's not part of my everday life.

[@VensVids]

A couple of adult zoomers I have encountered now cannot read analogue time on a clock, is that really so unused now?

[@plebisMaximus]

I'm 24 and it takes me a bit to read an analogue clock. Did plenty of it in school, while waiting for the hands to stand in the right spot, but that's also 9 years ago and I've barely used the skill since. For those even younger than me, I can't imagine it's a skill used pretty much at all.

[@Eunostos]

I was born in 1980 and most of my similar aged peers (including me) need to pause briefly and translate in our head rather than just automatically getting the time from them. They've been that unused for a looong time.

[@Taylr4]

On un unrelated but very important note, Dracula Flow 5 just dropped.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

Old technology isn't necessarily bad, because a lot of recent tech is arguably bad because it's made to break a lot so you have to spend money replacing it.

[@_Banjo_]

Them complaining does actually help me feel younger though because theres no way in hell the carrier bag thing was over 10 years ago ;(

[@darkdrac7012]

I may just be old fashioned, but I don't think cash should be taken out completely. If you, as a service, don't want to accept cash from a possible client, that client is just free to move to some other service that does. I know it sounds strange, but in my eyes a wallet is safer than a third party.

[@wobblysauce]

Yes... business is not govenment. Had the same conversations meny times.

[@silvioantonio6952]

So, no one will talk about the hat ? Or is it a tabu ?

[@chaoschris8194]

Predatory monetization in games have been a standard for over a decade as well. I guess there's no point in complaining about it or pointing out the flaws... because it's standard! Get with the times! Things changing or being a standard doesn't mean its a good direction to be going in. That's the crux of what they are complaining about

[@sirharmony8626]

To the defense of Cobol Developers, they are actually in dire need in mainframe environments. Lots of stuff still runs in cobol there (at least here in germany). Recruiter speaking, thats how I know ^^ but yea, good luck finding a Cobol Dev that is not 55 years+ old. Small market, even smaller amount of capable workers. No idea how complicated it is to switch the coding, but I would guess that the Cobol market is literally dead within the next 20 years.

[@genghismckhan.]

You’re not wrong about legal tender but as a Scot this rant was personally hurtful.

[@Sig509]

You sir also seem to be old, as the dollar is not covered by gold since like 70's :D

[@ThetaWindfall]

Sorry, the stuff we buy these days is crap. We don't have DIY skills cause the stuff we have is not worth fixing and is cheaper to replace. Look at most ikea furniture. Comes flat packed and is made of cheap plywood. Nothing sturdy enough or expensive enough to warrant actually keeping if it breaks.

[@kliang99]

old debuff..

[@Cryten0]

Cheques arnt accepts by most businesses in Australia these days. Too insecure.

[@beerasaurus]

100%

[@josephteller9715]

Wrong Josh. There are states in the USA where it is the Law that all Businesses in the state must accept cash. Massachusetts, for example, has such a requirement. Every retailer, grocery store, service provider must accept cash. With was codified some years ago in the State General Laws here.

[@Candlemancer]

I don't know why you would assume he's talking about all laws everywhere when he's British and obviously talking about the laws in his own country. There are places outside the US, not everything is about you.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Wrong Joseph - if that’s even your real name, mine’s not. 😎 You’re watching a clip about a British man talking with a British accent about British things. Your American ways have no vestige here - begone and may you begot shame upon yourself.

[@Krieger1337]

Yea.. my grandmother held up an entire line of people at a hardware store to write a check VERY slowly because she refuses to get a bank card AND has a superiority complex about it.

[@TheClintonio]

I'm glad I'm in Japan now and can still use cash. You people gave too much freedom to the companies and let them take away the one form of money that the banks can't trace.

[@Sniperbear13]

its hard to teach an old dog new tricks. hell, i have a uncle in his 70s or 80s who cant really use any thing like Laptops or even smartphones because he just doesn't understand how to use them. he is so tech illiterate and just gets frustrated when he has to do anything with modern things.

[@Lilitha11]

It is often from a lack of interest, more than anything else.