Greediest Game Ever Made

[@unknownvariable9239]

They seriously had immense negative feedback from the moment they teased the game and still continuously made it worse.

[@VanSanProductions]

Diablo on Mobile could have just not gone this direction with microtransactions and they would have been praised. Diablo Immortal could have been an amazing experience in the mobile space, but all they care about is using the platform to make money.

[@bonoveenstra]

They knew what they were doing. Most of us did too. Blizzard will make more money with this game than all of their others

[@d_dayne_e]

it had negative feedback because it wasnt diablo 4

[@OriginalDizzleKing]

@@VanSanProductions have you played it yourself? How is it not a good game? Microtransactions dont inherently make a game bad. It's playable without spending a dime

[@TRX691]

​@@OriginalDizzleKing from all iv seen the free to play experience is pure crap and you get nothing

[@Okoii]

I mean does anyone actually expect anything else from Blizzard at this point?

[@theheadlessjackfrost679]

It's crazy people are still supporting that company after all the bad news came out about them.

[@GriffinZambia]

Dont read my name😑....

[@PureGarbageWithCheese]

I expect the company to be a fully fledged terrorist organization by 2030.

[@MDXVOID]

@@GriffinZambia ok I didn’t

[@bookmanjeb7238]

im waiting on D2 remastered to be cracked on PC...they are never getting another cent from me.

[@beatdeath9962]

"You have phones right?" Apparently Blizzard thinks anyone who has a phone has billions of dollars

[@cataclysm7256]

Do you guys not have money?

[@duckiequackers9122]

Bruh i can't even get it on my phone it isn't capable

[@01amare]

Haha underrated comment

[@chellejohnson9789]

Must have been all that welfare queen propaganda

[@sandwichmonster7067]

The heads of Blizzard are so delusional that they _literally_ no longer see people as people, but as anthropomorphic wallets filled with endless money.

[@randomname9723]

Blizzard is like the former fun uncle at family gatherings who's been secretly abusing his wife and kids for a while and now is still trying to be the fun uncle after everything went public and he might go to prison.

[@_ZXCV_]

That’s oddly specific…

[@chikaojukwu4846]

This is too good…like you are on the nose with that, I can’t see it any other way now

[@Sp3ctralI]

I had that experience, though I wasn’t the one abused. (Sorry to bring the mood down or whatever…lol)

[@jeremyroberts8822]

@@Sp3ctralI damn. I hope whoever it was in your family that was being abused is doing okay now

[@Sp3ctralI]

@@jeremyroberts8822 at least she’s at peace

[@NewNicator]

Someone explained it best on the original video: “announcing a mobile game to a room full of PC-players is like getting 8 happy meals for thanksgiving dinner and wondering why the family is upset.”

[@roymcgrath9236]

8 happy meals that cost the price of an entire fucking thanksgiving dinner each to boot

[@vembdev]

8 happy meals sounds Poggers

[@parmesanchease480]

@@vembdev best part is the toys (if thats what you wanna call 'em) or the fries

[@channel45853]

more like, smashing a person's android phone, and giving them an iphone as a prank

[@jackcoleman1784]

@@vembdev I have no shame. I could go for 8 happy meals.

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

They’re gonna need all this micro transaction money for all the sexual assault lawsuits.

[@Mauriziobarenboim]

Hopefully they go out of business one day. When they do, and EA, then we should have international holiday for it.

[@e.j.5053]

@@Mauriziobarenboim that's the problem. The can of worms has already been opened. Micro-transactions are here to stay unfortunately 😔

[@luizotavio44]

@@e.j.5053 with the success of genshi i'd expect there will be more games with gacha

[@tubester358]

@@luizotavio44 true, although I gotta say not all *gacha are created equal. Gacha seems to be one of the most accessible ways to attract a variety of players on mobile (especially Android where apps are expected to be free and no one wants push notification ads) and some are fairly free2play friendly while having a lot of gacha options too (mostly cosmetics + rolling for characters). Some also control their market specifically to avoid enabling whaling too much. Warframe which Charles mentioned removed an item from their store when they noticed people were spending too much on it, and their paid currency can actually be traded with anyone and feeds into the entire in-game economy, among other helpful tidbits. Yostar's Azur Lane and Arknights are also pretty generous for f2p players, literally mailing you premium currency after every maintenance downtime etc and without insane odds. I.e. they limit the feeling that you *need* to spend. I think one problem is those models require actually adding value content to the game regularly for years, while the likes of Blizzard would rather profit off of less work.

[@mikec4308]

@@e.j.5053 just dont spend money or play a different game. simple solution

[@jakesteezy]

StarCraft fans: blizzard forgot about us… StarCraft fans now: oh thank god they forgot about us

[@BramsCommando]

Michael Jackson: They don't really care about us

[@rossvaljr.3852]

They forgot about us the moment they released that shit expansion that is LOTV

[@Insulin_Ingo]

@@rossvaljr.3852 LOTV was alright.

[@rossvaljr.3852]

@@Insulin_Ingo I mean it was alright, but it was so mediocre compared to HOTS. The prologue and epilogue was pure trash, but the main protoss storyline is decently generic at best

[@vantablack3831]

That's very true. I was worried there for a moment.

[@pragmaticpundit7703]

Important clarification here; Blizzard does not exist anymore, it hasn't for years - all the original people behind that company are gone (most went to a new company called pheonix I think). It's not Blizzard anymore, it's just Activision. Blizzard made amazing IPs - Activision, what's left, killed them.

[@tjenadonn6158]

This right here. Gamers need to stop mistaking the people who make games for the companies they work for.

[@JaneyJ229]

Nah they part of it too

[@The_B_Button]

Source that the original people left the company?

[@arrianagreen6473]

@@The_B_Button Look up Blizzard Scandals. A lot of the veterans left to start their own studio's after years of working with Blizzard. Some of them left to because of mistreatment from the company. This is common knowledge about Blizzard.

[@Arkain89]

they did score points with their base after sexually harassing a woman so much that she committed suicide though, tends to resonate well with gamers

[@FSSmash]

As an owner of a phone. I do not want this game.

[@jaghatai_bulut]

Hah, i see what you did there

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

So brave

[@stevedaryll3045]

same here.

[@Zizpy]

Yep same. It's unfortunate that mobile games are like 90% pay to win and then 10% actually good games

[@PogSockBockDog]

@@Zizpy is apex legends p2w?

[@GrandMasterNutBusterYoda]

"Not even Ed, Edd, and Eddy would come up with a scam like this." Eddy would think about it but realize even he isn't that greedy or in need of cash. After all they do small stuff that'd be equivalent to a lemonade stand or a higher degree of it. Edd would be disgusted that developers would resort to such things and call them every big worded derogatory he could think of. Ed would be disappointed that there's no Chicken level.

[@cameronb7161]

Even Eddy isn't that greedy.

[@keithragin89]

Ew

[@ozenthelewdable5427]

Only in Critikal's video where you can find an Ed Edd & Eddy connoisseur like this.

[@bryanc6142]

and Kevin would call Blizzard a bunch of DORKSSSSSS

[@GrandMasterNutBusterYoda]

@@cameronb7161 Eddy, despite his scams, i feel would end up to be a successful businessman and in a good way too. His scams aren't ENTIRLEY scams, they're trying to sell something but since they're just minors with no job nor get an allowance, they just rely on what's around them to make it work. Yea they don't work out and get a lot of criticism and hate from the cul-de-sac kids, they still power through the hustle together.

[@yuunashiki]

I've tried it in beta. The amount of currencies the game has would put any gacha games to shame. It's insane.

[@CoolManCoolMan123]

Yeah, i can't play it in my phone but the game actually looks very fun. And it's sad that it's coming Activision, which is less of the greedy company when it comes to mobile games, seriously COD mobile is still really good and microtransaction is basically like how it's in MW and cold war.

[@inpusket]

Wich currency?? I've only seen one cash shop one,and the others are ingame stuff...

[@patrickramos9566]

Agreed atleast in gacha like genshin its a single player game with coop you can whale as much as you want it won't hurt other player just cuz you whale

[@yuunashiki]

@@inpusket I'm talking about the different kind of materials that you need to progress your character. I've counted at least 20 of them. Not even counting the rarities of them, like bronze/silver/gold coins. Multiply that with the number of currencies they have.

[@gefehede7783]

There are three... Gold, eternal orbs, and platinum. Idk what you're talking about, but it's a lie.

[@lunchboxadams4048]

Micro-transactions are dead.. Mega-transactions have arrived

[@jamiahmt1349]

Lol MACROtrasnsactions

[@MariOmor1]

TRANSACTIONS is reacting to its Transcationite! TRANSACTIONS Mega-Evolved into Mega-Transactions!

[@woopzbruh-p3r]

Gigatransaction

[@GravityTrash]

The calculation is actually inaccurate, as it doesn't count for seasons It actually costs $110,000 *every 6 months*

[@Thanadeez]

mr krabs is pissing his pants

[@pando4379]

dude... thats like a million in 5 years

[@blackusagi92]

It's $110k assuming you get amazing luck, average is like $246k and worst is $550k

[@jaobidan2358]

They could've simply gone the old school route of game purchase + sub and they would've easily made their millions...But Blizzard would rather go whale hunting.

[@feydrautha191]

"Dont you guys have phon... i mean wallets?!"

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

There's a German streamer who plays nothing but Diablo for years. He's insanely proficient and knowledgeable about anything Diablo. He was absolutely STOMPED in PvP by a whale who cashed out

[@xPandamon]

To be fair knowledge is absolutely useless here, and as long as you can accept that PvP is run by whales you'll have plenty of fun with the game

[@idontcare9041]

I mean sure. Why would you give the people that give you tons of money a bad experience? And it puts people in the spot of having to pay to have an even remotely competetive experience

[@Jinkypigs]

@@xPandamon fun? You mean mindless grind dude. The high level content are balanced for people who spent thousands or tens of thousands of dollar. You must be a masochist to put yourself through it

[@xPandamon]

@@Jinkypigs The only content I encountered so far where payers have any benefits are PvP. And that stuff can easily be toned down with a patch, for know whales mostly compete against each other, so I couldn't care less

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

@@xPandamon Knowledge about previous Diablo games, sure. That is useless. Knowledge about ARPGs and how those work and how you optimize and play those ideally, that is mandatory for PvP. And it wasn't his first PvP match, he was lvl 60, played multiple rounds, and still was absolutely stomped. The endgame just isn't fun for free-to-play players. But those aren't the people Blizzard wants to cater to. They want those big fat hogs that dump their savings into the game as well as those that invest money regularly. You can say what you want. No matter how good you play, a Free-to-play will never beat a whale. The Legendary 5-5-Star gems have a resonance of up to 100. Multiple of those and you can easily outscale the resonance of Free-to-Play players just by those gems, not even mentioning their abilities. I would rather play more Diablo 3 and wait for Diablo 4 than play this, after Blizzard spits in the faces of their average fans like this

[@Ourspark34]

Ironically even though it has the name "Immortal" this is the game that killed Diablo franchise.

[@Rayon811]

cap

[@HughJaeness]

I mean it's a good game sooo

[@3deanimations557]

diablo 3

[@ankieb3980]

@ForgiveZharion cringe

[@Theshabadaman]

The p2w items are very much mortal if you don't log in every day 😂

[@FelixTsang]

The infamous 800% value $0.99 beginner’s pack. A classic “foot in the door” tactic

[@stanclark8824]

yup. good to start, but not good enough to go further past the first easy levels. it is like akyforge. first story is easy and the rest you need to pay just to level up and unlock more characters faster.

[@cumbrap]

Wasn't this game announced like 5 years ago? The "Don't you guys have phones" controversy?

[@rancidraw]

no its uhhhhhhhh

[@monogamousmatt546]

Yup. Trash then, trash now.

[@ChevyC-PickupTruck]

@Kavetion All you have is a video that shows you're certified fatherless.

[@Insanebeast123]

Don’t you not have wallets

[@Volti102]

Yes, it is that game. However, the PC Beta just became available so people are now giving it attention.

[@acertainperson206]

Me and my friends immediately shot in laughter when we saw we couldn't download it in the Netherlands knowing it was because of microtransactions

[@the11382]

It's a relief, don't you think?

[@Moritz19081980]

Be glad your gov. protects the people who might fall for scams like that. I worked for 2 companies with this business model (Pay2Win MMORPGs) and I can tell you that they constantly try to push the (legal) limits to squeeze more money out of people and even children. People should understand that if somehting is "free" it is just an investement to lure a lot of players in. And if a game has a lot of players some people (the so called "whales", who keep the company afloat) will spend literally thousands of Euros/Dollars just to "be someone" on the server. It's sad. They make money on the insecurities of people. They really just want your money. They have no passion for gaming and they don't want you to have fun. They want as much money from you as possible before you get wiser or some help.

[@Franz0818]

Now that’s based as f•ck

[@Eisenwulf666]

hahaha that's hilarious! Good for you

[@pizzariotin]

lmao yeah they won't even allow you to download it unless you are able to pay 😂

[@rocapbg9518]

"I am surprised it's not charging you for using your own wifi to play the game" Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft: "GENIUS!"

[@the11382]

I mean, isn't that what Playstation/Xbox network is?

[@Mustache99]

I mean for Nintendo for the online you have to pay It so yep

[@sydneystar14]

FUCKING TRUE

[@magron8029]

@@the11382 that's the joke

[@xald1234114]

I remember a day when PS3's sold because you didn't need to buy xbox Live gold to play multiplayer with your friends

[@CaptainDoomsday]

Charlie's definitely right. They're whaling first and foremost, then they'll farm goodwill by "listening to the fanbase" and toning down the P2W to a level that's still unacceptable, but relatively better. And it'll work. Again.

[@Anon_Spartan]

Bungie walked so Blizzard-Activi$ion could run.

[@drokhalis3338]

Fuck that I uninstalled the POS, can’t afford to bullshit my time with P2W schemes in a recession.

[@PandaZombieTime]

My favourite moment from Blizzard is when they mocked people about wanting to play classic warcraft and told them "You don't know what you want" and then proceeded to send cease and desists to all fan made classic servers and released warcraft classic x__x

[@kerfli3460]

thats nintendo's job and theirs only wtf

[@Taoru11]

They were kinda right that time though, Classic died out pretty fast after everyone's nostalgia wore off.

[@mikeymaiku]

shitty move, but guess what? totally in their right even if the general consumer doesnt like it.

[@aleciabrimer6200]

@@Taoru11 I'm playing classic tbc right now and it seems to be going strong, especially with Wrath coming.

[@Puddspanker]

@@Taoru11 classic died because the released tbc servers and are about to release woltk. If neither of those came out and they instead did classic+ or whatever, where the tweaked issues, and optimized the game and mechanics and left it classic Era, loads of people would still be playing classic. Start seasonal servers with tbc mechanics and classes with brand new classic exclusive dungeons and a couple raids and classic would be booming.

[@notaspy3751]

"$100,000 for a video game character?" "With cheese, Mr. Squidward, with cheese!"

[@yawn8886]

😂😭

[@spazbog123]

I particularly "love" the reward for killing a boss is the chance to spend some real world money. The boss doesn't drop any loot it just presents a hey spend money screen - you know you want to. Early game is bait to get you invested enough that when you hit the pay wall you feel obliged to fork out cash - they hired psychologists to best determine how to design the game in order to have maximum effect on people loosening purse strings.

[@so14r3]

to be fair almost every phone has over 10gb

[@thtrustyspartan1344]

@@so14r3 you replied to the wrong comment

[@so14r3]

@@thtrustyspartan1344 💀

[@denisehkg6780]

As psychologist aren't they suppose to do no harm?

[@dungeaterfancam]

@@denisehkg6780 there’s plenty of psychologists working just for money. I’d say it’s actually better to work for money rather than in hopes to actually help people, getting invested in patients just leads to damaging your own mental health and then becoming worse at the job.

[@jackattack8o8]

Elden ring was such a refreshing experience. No micro transactions.. no day one dlc.. Just as gaming should be.

[@codywar1384]

Almost like Elden Ring was an actual console game meant to be played as such..

[@jackattack8o8]

@@codywar1384 your point?

[@isuzumu6606]

@@jackattack8o8 what are you getting defensive for? He's agreeing with you.

[@LucianC137]

that is why i love souls games.

[@Questionnairee]

@@jackattack8o8 its okay bro.

[@SwirlyCurlyy]

“It costs 400,000 dollars to use this spell- For 12 seconds.” -The only Diablo immortal player that isn’t a bot

[@Masonia_]

Reminds me of heavy from TF2

[@Fitzavig]

@@Masonia_ guess blizzard didn't get the memo. That bit was supposed to be a joke, not a brilliant business model.

[@KFlexFantastic]

@Flare love me some genshin

[@KFlexFantastic]

@@Masonia_ hello fellow TF2 player

[@ntrspecialist1304]

@Flare -More content If that is accurate, then maybe we've treated you to harshly to call your community a trash. Sadly, your community won't agree with that, once your Chasm arc is done, your community will go back "Where is the content? Endgame is boring!" And go back to the all games in existence ever to compare it to a Genshin reference.

[@Mekose]

They've learned the biggest hurdle of micro-transactions is the first purchase. Once you've spent a few dollars you think "well I got a lot of value out of one dollar and I've already spent money, let's buy this ten dollar pack" etc. That's how predatory it is.

[@Psi34ax]

There’s actually a term for this - sunk cost fallacy

[@tsanguine]

cognitive bias weird as shit not me tho lol

[@GuvernorDave]

That's exactly what I thought the first time I saw the "+800%" bundle. "Oh, there's the icebreaker transaction..."

[@Esta-Beed]

The mechanism is a Trojan horse for monetisation

[@skyrimssa]

@@GuvernorDave lol worst part is the +800% was sooo much of a lie. u get a skin and the standard $1 currency that's it lol

[@VirusakeFatVersion]

I recently bought my own apartment with 3 rooms, 2 bathrooms, a separate kitchen and a parking space, which costed me $97.000 (I live in a poor country). Still cheaper than maximizing a Diablo character...

[@stanclark8824]

hahaha so true!

[@Black-jv2fv]

??? I'm so confused lol🤦‍♂️ you don't buy apartments

[@VirusakeFatVersion]

@@Black-jv2fv It's pretty common to own property in Eastern Europe. The money I would pay rent mostly cover one month's mortgage (bank credit).

[@Black-jv2fv]

@@VirusakeFatVersion Oh dang I never knew that.

[@marclemane]

And the funny thing is because of the microtransactions it's not going to be released in the netherlands and belgium *AT ALL* because these countries have high restrictions on online gambling and loot boxes. That just proves that the microtransactions are basically fundemental for the whole game experience.

[@chinokiovonk7283]

Yeah same reason pokemon ex isnt available

[@ronniejz]

"800% extra value" sounds way more exciting than "90% off". This has been the phrasing in mobile games for quite some time. I can't say for sure but I believe it started in Asia.

[@bottomlefto]

you whale for png's in asia, that is, new characters to play with and character costumes. this 'getting bled dry just for trying to play the campaign' and 'losing stuff you already paid for' situation, this is a wholly western thing.

[@AlienFreak69]

Higher percentages makes u feel like you're getting more

[@zenkrypt6577]

Isn't 800% just 87.5% or 88.88% off depending on what it means.

[@Remnantful]

@@zenkrypt6577 yeah

[@PeppaTeaPig]

Absolutely. Completely psychological appeal, and it works.

[@BlueGuyTube]

1) Purposely release a game full of unbearable microtransactions 2) People will complain but obviously there will be many who just buy what they can 3) After a month or two release an update removing the worst of these microtransactions, so you appear to be listening to the community (you aren't, it was your plan since the beginning) 4) Some people, old and new, will then join in hopes for a better game down the line (which will never come) 5) Profit

[@bonfist7277]

6) Repeat, because it’s profitable.

[@riccardodellorto4267]

7) release special bundles monthly, one that is affordable by every one and one that is meant for whales and costs way too much but has something "exclusive, limited edition" in it

[@chrisjuan9249]

no man its profit since step 1. there are so many braindead blizzordians out there smashing bucks into whatever shit theymade

[@erichuss5541]

Sounds exactly like Halo Infinite

[@VAFranky]

Yeah they aren’t removing any of these micro transactions. First day the game launched I inspected multiple players and saw tons of these idiots with full socketed high level legendary gems already. These people are embarrassing.

[@CaptShatner]

I'll never forget the day I realized gaming was going down this path of blind greed : the release of the Bioshock 2 expansion. I remember being confused as to why this huge expansion was only a ~5mb download... until I found out the expansion didn't need to be downloaded; it was already loaded on the disc. I was stunned. " I just paid 20 extra dollars for something that was already in the game I paid 60$ for?" I didn't think it could get any scummier than that.. but here we are

[@theneonbop]

its literally the same tho, just takes up more space on your computer I don't really see the difference, why does it matter if it's on your computer or the game's servers? Both ways you are paying to unlock extra content

[@pavlara]

@@theneonbop some people just need everything explained to them.

[@lancetehira]

@@pavlara why you have to be like that?????

[@freddy4603]

@@theneonbop because they didn't have the decency to not exploit the human weakness of the sunk cost fallacy. They didn't want to charge the whole package for 80 bucks, so they hid the real price by splitting it and only showing the "expansion" once the customer has been releed in.

[@theneonbop]

​@@freddy4603 Expansion packs are nothing new, they have been around in video games since 1985. All this shows was that the devs of bioshock were too lazy (or could be some other reason) to make the content an automatically installing separate download.

[@johnclark926]

Lmfao the only lesson they learned with Diablo Immortal after the “Don’t you guys have phones” incident was to just port the game to PC, they weren’t even satisfied with the standard mobile game monetization scheme they had set a new standard.

[@magivkmeister6166]

And it doesn't make sense anyway, considering that Diablo 4 is coming out in 2023 or 2024

[@aoitamashii]

I think it's more they looked towards Genshin and how it has a PC client and the Enhanced BP + Boon is very similar to Welkins/Gnostic Hymn from Genshin. Plus they have fuck-all else releasing anytime soon, so they wanted to appease people on PC as well if possible.

[@OltskuMP]

nice pfp bro

[@girlbossmikey]

the worst thing is that this game literally looks like you were playing a mobile app on a pc screen-

[@xx1norm1xx]

Except they didn’t, Genshin impact has the exact same systems. Im not saying that’s ok but im just saying people are getting mad that a Chinese mobile game is modelling it’s monetisation on a successful Chinese mobile game… Genshin and Diablo immortal are fun games ruined by greedy monetisation and unfortunately just like with FIFA we have accepted that that’s ok because the majority of core gamers don’t play sports games or mobile games. I’m really hoping they fix Diablo because I’ve been having fun but I think the systems are too deep routed and I know the wall is coming, just like Genshin where I need to pay to have fun and that’s when I drop it.

[@bigsbyhammonty25]

Not generally a phone gaming person, but a long time lover of the franchise. Gave it a go, and can confirm that even by free to play standards, it is particularly scummy.

[@FlameTechKnight]

Yep, that's mobile gaming for you. *This kind of thing happens too much on the app store.*

[@cayden2744]

@@FlameTechKnight Nah, this game is probably 1000% worse or more.

[@Someguyy867]

It’s not entirely bad as F2P but it’s not exactly amazing, I’m enjoying it as F2P but part of me is ignoring how shitty pvp is. You could do well without having dropping a cent, unless It’s in PvP. But on the other side if you are trying to be first top whatever than count on your wallet and a decent size brain.

[@chanisehalliday8549]

@@FlameTechKnight There's actually a fair amount of passable to decent mobile games coming out, or already out on the app store that don't have the sheer audacity to hold your actual progression hostage behind a paywall and allow you to have a fairly comfy experience for like $5 to $10 a month if you do have the itch to spend for a touch more stamina or another ten pull. Blizzard just decided that not only would they give their fans a pill that was hard to swallow, but they'd take a nice steaming dump on it too, right before handing it off to you. Even by modern day mobage standards, Immortal is egregious. Blizzard straight-up married the mobile model with the P2W Korean MMO model, and even the gacha gaming communities are mocking them. I can't even begin to imagine how fans of the original Diablo games must feel. Probably the gaming equivalent of watching your hot girlfriend get forcefully bent over the kitchen sink and fucked right in front of you by an ugly bastard.

[@AProtokid]

Is it still worth playing tho casually, at least early game? (Without paying of course)

[@unknownvariable9239]

Blizzard is always breaking new ground… under themselves when we think they couldn’t go down and sink any further.

[@kwamemwangs2173]

There literally no human beings in the replies so far

[@65firered]

@@kwamemwangs2173 Now there is.

[@65firered]

Same can be said about Konami, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Square, Rockstar etc.

[@Fitzavig]

That's a great metaphor, the weight of success eventually crushes you under itself. Stay humble and modest. Avoid greedy ends.

[@Fitzavig]

@@kwamemwangs2173 you think yt allows more bots on channels like these? They don't even try to filter them and I see them everywhere. Looks shady af.

[@LordyT34]

"Charging you to use your own wifi" Let's not give game companies ideas Charlie

[@smokyoderpsiau]

Isn't that kind of what Nintendo is doing with their shitty pier to pier online connection that costs 20 dollars a year

[@noahg23]

@@smokyoderpsiauyeah to play any online Nintendo game (other than a few huge games like Fortnite and rocket league) you have to pay 20$ a year to just connect online. Scumbag behavior.

[@ajjordan7286]

The "if you don't log in for a day, you lose your purchases" mechanic is particularly scummy... I actually said "wow" out loud at that.

[@parkerrieke5700]

@Raul to each his own, but I can't believe that you are defending this predatory behavior. Regardless of how common it is among mobile games, it is undoubtedly scummy.

[@labradfordjackson7623]

@@parkerrieke5700 Also, not every mobile game does this, though many do. It's straight up predatory. If someone wants to do it, fine. Defending it is wild.

[@s_mai8970]

@Raul Not you trying to defend it tho? Call out scummy systems, I promise the dickriding isn't worth it at all unless you're the problem in the first place lmfao. If you lose out the daily primogems you get from doing daily commissions by not logging in for one day fair, that's fine. you never spent money for the game anyways. but lose out 90 primogems just cause you didn't the login that day even when you've paid for it? it's still scummy, and shouldn't be "ok" just cause other games do it.

[@sonofben9766]

@@labradfordjackson7623 this particular practice isnt predatory. it's a simple tradeoff. they offer you x amount of this currency for $10, but they'll also offer the same amount for $2 with the added condition of a daily login. it's weird that out of all things, you complain about this. are you running out of things to criticize

[@alnoso]

@@sonofben9766 Charlie made it sound like you lose in-game items permanently for not logging in daily. Which would be so much worse. Charlie didn't know himeself either, so fair enough. It's not as bad, but it's still a bit predatory to lock a purchased item behind a daily login. Of course people will get that one since they see it as a better deal, and now they will be forced to log in 30 days in a row if they do not want to lose any of their purchased items. It would be way less scummy to just not offer the option. It shouldn't be the customer's responsibility to not fall for blatant predatory cash-grabbing schemes, it should be the company's responsibility to not engage in blantant cash grabbing schemes. If a casino offered a deal where you can pay X amount of dollars for a "monthly pass" where you can come there each day and get a free X amount of dollars to bet with, they would face heavy legal consequences. And you have to be 18+ to enter a casino, this game can be played by a fucking toddler and they will be able to purchase stuff if their account is linked to their parent's payment methods.'

[@infiniteclutchgaming8206]

I was excited for this. I thought after the immense backlash and them delaying the game for like 2 years, they would’ve removed and reworked a lot of the IAPs. But then when I downloaded it and completed the opening mission, I was bombarded with the IAPs and realized they learned nothing and don’t care about Diablo fans.

[@marcedoreste]

It's Blizzard. When will you guys learn. Blizzard doesn't care about their players. Happened with WoW. Happened with OW. Happened with Diablo. Happened with Hearthstone big incident with a pro player.. Do you need them to kick us in the nuts IRL to realize?

[@log4ngr1mn4r7]

Sad to see how far blizzard has fallen, use to be my favorite game company

[@infiniteclutchgaming8206]

@@marcedoreste look it didnt happen with diablo until now. the hearthstone free hong kong incident was just dumb and the hosts new what was going to happen. i dont agree with them trying to withhold the money but they had every right to ban him if there is specific guidelines against talking about political issues in the tournament. WoW reforged was a disaster yes... but dont blame the players for expecting more from the franchises they love. its the same as victim blaming. I rather give the benefit of the doubt then live in a world where you are guilty until proven innocent.

[@OvAeons]

What happened was worse than i expected lmao, i have next to no good will left for most """AAA""" devs. Companies run by suits who only look at dollar amounts in and out and making portfolios for investors is a company to steer wide from. (well over 3000 hours in D2 and that was the last game i ever bought from blizz)

[@CrystalWings12]

@@marcedoreste NetEase also helped them made this. So yeah, another double that amount of greed to ruin a popular franchise.

[@brandon1537]

There’s definitely a way to do micro transactions that aren’t so blatantly greedy. I mean it’s free to play, micro transactions are expected but it’s doesn’t need to be so directly tied to progression. You think that they’d be concerned with the public reception, but blizzard has shown that they either don’t care or they’re trying to squeeze the wallets of what’s left of their fan base before they become bankrupt.

[@devrusso]

You can play the game and progress just fine without paying a dime.

[@LermaBean]

@@devrusso God help you if you're in PvP

[@devrusso]

@@LermaBean oh yeah that's probably right. I have never known anyone who plays diablo games for pvp though lol

[@krogan3760]

@@devrusso So you don't think it's at all gated later in the game to push you to spend money? Reminds me of the silly people that insists Hearthstone is totally free to play.

[@krogan3760]

Fortnite showed how to do free to play a decade ago.

[@devastatheseeker9967]

The whole "you guys don't have phones" line is even more hilarious because apparently it's stupidly huge. Like 10 gig apparently. The biggest mobile game I've ever seen is wild rift which is like 6gig and people complain about it being too big with every major update. How many people have phones that have over 10 gig of free space?

[@fawzanfawzi9993]

I have 128GB Internal phone with more than half of it still free but 10GB is still too much.

[@luciebarathlone730]

*gestures to Genshin Impact*

[@dotard0075]

You haven't seen Genshin Impact yet, its 20 gigs Dragon Raja, is 10

[@harfangdes3541]

ive 256gb, as long as the game isnt over 200gb ill be fine

[@dotard0075]

@@harfangdes3541 based

[@LadaHusakLH]

I have a question that has been bugging me for a long time... why are these called "microtransactions"? Shouldn't "micro" be something small? Well then if they want me to pay 100$ for some blue balls, what is "micro" about it when retail games cost about 50$?! These should be called "macrotransactions" or something entirely new like "stealing".

[@MorfsPrower]

Macrotransactions should be (and I think in some circles is) an accepted term for this.

[@beaustrom923]

Might be about how quick it happens, or it might be micro in the sense of it not being exceptionally large. Miniguns are mini because they are a scaled down version of a much larger gun.

[@alewis514]

@@beaustrom923 well, it started from Horse Armor DLC and for a few years, this was the norm. The game was $60 but this little DLC was $2,50 - micro in comparision to the cost of the game. But we have evolved far past this point and microtransactions being more expensive than the game itself is commonplace.

[@66kaisersoza]

Check out George Carlins bit on softening language

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

Well EA tried coining them as “surprise mechanics” so you can always try that

[@wolfman7469]

I like to imagine that his earphones cable is infinite and goes through his window and further up into heaven where he keeps his godly gaming pc.

[@crby101]

lmao youre so cooked

[@Speculaas]

"When you have a monopoly market share, the company's not any more succesful. So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, and they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products. The product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies that have no conception of a good product versus a bad product. They have no conception of the craftsmanship that's required to take a good idea and turn it into a good product. And they really have no feeling in their hearts, usually, about wanting to really help the customers." - Steve Jobs

[@froyocrew]

Literally what happened to apple too. 999$ monitor stand

[@NellyLikesPirates]

ironic

[@ryospeedwagon1456]

@@froyocrew Steve wasn't the greatest person really, but he was pretty damn accurate with that quote. It's hardly a surprise that the company turned the way it did after he died.

[@PineappleBaconPizza]

@@ryospeedwagon1456 if only he actually tried to get cured. The man thought he could cure himself by eating a certain diet... like he could have gotten medical attention and be perfectly fine. Sad that he didn't just receive surgery when they recommended it to him.

[@deadpenguinss]

@@PineappleBaconPizza He literally had the most lethal type of cancer on the planet. Very slim odds he would have survived, but he certainly put the literal nail in his coffin with the wholistic medicine approach.

[@gwillis01]

Asmongold did a side by side comparison of playing one section free on one screen and pay to win on the other screen. In the pay to win version, you win twenty bonus stars at the end of the chapter while on the free side you win zero ZERO bonus stars at the end of the chapter.

[@jonerikmoyles]

Link?

[@gwillis01]

@@jonerikmoyles All I can say is that it is a video done in the past two weeks. [ May or June of 2022 ] It is one of the most recent Asmongold videos. I don't have time to locate the exact clip.

[@Nothing92849]

@@gwillis01 now you definitely have time

[@yoteslaya7296]

This is the end for blizzard. Everyone always thought another gaming company would destroy them somehow. Little did we know they killed their company from the inside out

[@01amare]

Agree! Say less!

[@nevaehonrefni]

If only they didn't sell out themselves to Activision

[@NellyLikesPirates]

@@nevaehonrefni i mean they've been sexually assaulting their staff for a decade, but sure, activision

[@obblan]

Isnt blizzard already ended and basicly already went down, so Microsoft aquired the company?

[@freddymuskelberg]

The end for PC gaming sure, but with mobile gaming they're gonna make record profits. Every major video game company is going mobile. Why? Because mobile gamers are addicted to spending money and the companies know it.

[@SomeRandomYouTuber2024]

Blizzard somewhere in 2014: "Aight guys, let's remove the real money auction house. It kills the game" Blizzard now:

[@richardg8376]

Blizzard now: I *am* the real money auction house.

[@Rasta796]

They removed it coz other people made money with it and not them

[@Randybobandy024]

Difference is that immortal is free to play, only way to make money off of it Still no excuse for the scummy way they introduced it

[@Rasta796]

@@jinfra-???? Removing this is what caused Diablo 3 to die what are you talking about

[@CrizzyEyes]

The RMAH utterly ruined the pace of the game. If you didn't buy gear in Act 3, it was a shitshow. Gear drop rates were terrible and designed to incentivize using it. What's the point of playing Diablo if you can't get good loot? But with this game, no need to worry, because the entire game was designed with MTX in mind

[@johanavril1691]

0:39: "Im honestly chocked its not charging you for using your own wifi to play the game" nintendo: *takes notes*

[@dragonfruitreal]

@ForgiveZharion delete all your accounts and never go on social media again

[@IAmTheOnePunchMan]

@@dragonfruitreal it worked I’m free

[@65firered]

Sony and Microsoft: *whistles nervously*

[@blyat8832]

you missed one chief. "chocked"

[@BiggestAmerican69]

@@pixels_per_minute yes I think it’s called Nintendo internet like 15 bucks per year for it but for Xbox I think it’s 60 for a year

[@BlueJayYT]

I wonder how the calculation was done, so they're saying $100k to max everything out, but you could just play free and it would take years to do so. To me, that sounds exactly like the clash of clans model. It takes years to max out, or you could dump your parent's 401k's into gems and do it all in minutes. Although I know absolutely nothing about this game so maybe it's more than that.

[@funkmonkeyfun]

The 100,000 is to max out gems, it cost significantly more to even get them first, the real estimate to get gems and THEN max them out is around 600,000

[@stevenkirkham3086]

From what I have seen you can't even get gems without legendary crest and no 5 star gem with rare crest.

[@reddusk2600]

10 years to max a character of straight playing. Idk what you want cause that's statistic #2

[@dabillya6845]

@@reddusk2600 ok osrs is 10 years playing casually too. big deal.

[@PFCMittens]

@@dabillya6845 exactly, this use to sound so out of the realm of possibilities but games like clash have shown that you can have options to pay your way through the ranks and show that you can still have fun if you don’t play that way

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

"Do you guys not have Platinum Credit cards?" - Blizzard, probably

[@iamwritingrightnow8217]

„What? Do you guys not have 100k+ to max out a single character?“

[@gabeitch1431]

After all of there employees quit, blizzard had to resort to assaulting our wallets instead.

[@IKIGAIofficial]

From cubicle crawling to wallet crawling

[@expecttheunexpectable7775]

They gotta pay for those lawyers somehow

[@connor8292]

It's amazing how doing these things isn't illegal. I had no idea that the game went as far as nuking the shit people PAID for if they don't log in until Charlie brought it up...

[@KuruIShere]

Ever heard of destiny?

[@Meiipuru]

@@KuruIShere Last time I played Destiny they never had anything like that so what’s your point exactly??

[@KuruIShere]

@@Meiipuru they remove paid for content all the time

[@Dasheara]

It isn't as bad as nuking things, it's actually a very, very common gacha game mechanic. What they do is give you a set amount of whatever up front (usually currency) then more every day you log in over time (almost always 30 days). Then advertise it as being, say, 1000 gems cheap. That cheap should be said very sarcastically, I remember FFBE WOTV whales being ecstatic they could get a good character fully built for a mere $75 dollars. Anyway, you may only get 700 up front, but you're logging in every day, right, so it's really 1000, just not right away, no false advertising here. If you don't log in then you're a bad mobile gamer and don't get your 10 gems for the day. You don't lose what you already had but that 1000 gems they advertise is very conditional. It's paid daily rewards on top of the free stuff. Mobile game devs REALLY want you logging in and doing something, anything, every single day. That's second only to getting you to pay because it makes it part of your routine, a normal thing, a habit, and don't we all splurge on our habits? Just throw that $5 out there to make your hobby a little less grindy, that's like one cup of coffee, you can afford one cup of coffee a month, right? Don't you have Starbucks? side note: I bet Belgium and the Netherlands aren't feeling so bad about that lootbox ban now. Oh no, Blizzard's crying because they can't release the game there (unless they mark it Pegi 18+ and warn it has gambling in it, which are obviously impossible conditions) because of of stupid LAWS trying to take their games away. Let the children gamble!

[@idontcare9041]

@@KuruIShere Oh come on. There's a big difference between removing old content and removing items/gear.

[@stevencurtis7157]

Does it ruin any game, single player or multiplayer, to constantly have the knowledge that if I just paid a few dollars I'd be more powerful or grow faster and be able to get through difficult parts of the game more easily? Yeah, it absolutely does. The only reason I haven't paid hundreds of dollars on free MMOs and mobile games is because I despise the very existence of microtransactions and refuse to partake on sheer principle. They are a plague in gaming and have been so normalized that few people even see how bad it has made every game with that model. I mostly play games that I can just pay for once. DLC used to be the bad guy, now it's the hero option by comparison.

[@ginogatash4030]

Not to mention that games with microtransactions are purposefully designed to be as obnoxious and slowpaced as possible without paying for the upgrades.

[@ViceHacks]

Y’all remember when games almost always released in a working state for $60 and a few months later if it was a slapper they’d release dlc for about $30 to expand the universe/gameplay and it felt like a mini sequel

[@HaliaxOfTheChandrian]

And stuff like skins/new items were UNLOCKED through in game challenges, achievements, and general progress, not $10 dlc "item packs"

[@ekremslayer3389]

Monster hunter world was that game for me, cept the dlc is just another game

[@AgentOrange88785]

Hell I am one of the old farts that remember when complete games were released at $50 bucks.

[@imjustdandy9799]

Indie games are mastering the DLCequel technique rn ngl

[@Erick-tv8oq]

Fortunately there's ONE triple A release that's gonna 100% follow that path, Elden Ring. It's the exception that proves the rule though, one or two good releases in an entire year won't change the game industry's current state. Fortunately, people are starting to get fed up with this bullshit, so I'm hopeful for the future

[@kosmosfan01]

Ah yes, the out-of-season April Fool's joke.

[@paulmccartneyofc6883]

I got it

[@MDXVOID]

@ForgiveZharion nobody asked 🤓

[@INSTINCTXIV]

Do you guys not have money?

[@jamesmcmackin8773]

@ForgiveZharion Ratio + yb better + nobody asked + this u 🤓🤓👶🏽👨🏼‍💻👨🏼‍💻

[@Featuring_Dinty_From_Beef_Stew]

@@INSTINCTXIV I can't tell if this is bait or not.

[@hypedsquealyawn538]

“I just was wondering is this an out-of-season April Fools joke ?”

[@forgivezharion6989]

Ratio + yb better + I didn’t ask + this u 🤓🤓👶🏽👨🏼‍💻👨🏼‍💻

[@AnotherDisAcc]

"You guys don't have money?"

[@1un4cy]

At this point it's a late april fools joke

[@hafirenggayuda]

Don't you guys have phone?

[@justawhiteguywitharocketla590]

@@forgivezharion6989 GAHAHHAHAHAHA... you so funny...

[@gwillis01]

Activision/Blizzard has an entire team of psychologists to help them enact maximum psychological manipulation in order to drain everyone's wallet.

[@SekiberiusWelkesh]

Imagine needing to sell your house to max a character in a game.

[@GriffinZambia]

Dont read my name😑....

[@ramtinzx7108]

In a mobile game

[@ramtinzx7108]

@@GriffinZambia didn't read don't care gt f o attention hor

[@kingabdullah338]

And you can lose it in a day

[@tokebak4291]

Imagine max a character like that was something fun... Casual never max out thats the fun...

[@Jakneute]

A friend of mine bought the battle pass. Imagine the absolute disgust he felt when he made a new character and found out the battle pass only works on a per character basis - not per account. Yep, not sending Blizzard any more money after that.

[@Jakneute]

Update: after playing for a while, ANOTHER battle pass unlocks when you reach level 45. Incredible.

[@Xorzun]

@@Jakneute get out while you / your friend still can.

[@michaelbohm5160]

You (we all know it was you) deserve it for going p2w in the first place.

[@eesherstubbs]

Ya I figured that out I had Necro Lvl 30 but switched to Monk just to realized that so I had to use 0.99 to buy a pack to make up for not being able to switch my BP items to my monk 😂😂😂 but I didn’t care

[@folx2733]

it absolutely works on a different character but only on the SAME SERVER

[@7XHARDER]

This needs to be a new category, maybe something like micro renting? I’ve never heard of someone buying anything just to have it taken away for not participating, that shit is cult worthy

[@MatyFattyDaddy]

Yeah I hate all this stuff and don't play these types of games ever. I expect bad. But that caught me off guard lmao they take shit back? That's nuts.

[@Mk_Otaid]

Kinda like Bethesda and Zenimax did with Fallout 76's "Fallout 1st" and ESO's VIP membership. You rent basic inventory management and QoL features that existed in all their previous games but once you stop paying you lose access to it.

[@hueypancakes597]

There are a couple free to play shooters that are like this aswell.

[@armorkny]

I'ts a classic softnx scheme. For example you can buy 10k$ worth of stuff in Wolfteam but they all disappear in 30-240 days.

[@MatyFattyDaddy]

This is crazy. I'm glad I've really cut down on games since loot boxes got introduced. Monster Hunter, Metroid, Metro, Elden Ring, and Darksiders are all I've really played since then. Going back to old games. Screw the way these new games are made.

[@Skippa1986]

I disagree that single-player p2w is fine. That kind of system, and DImortall is an excellent example, preys on people's psychology, especially if you're prone for a gambling addiction. It can, and has ruined those who lack impulse control.

[@mohammedabdul4832]

Yeah but you can just crack most single player p2w things

[@Unethical.FandubsGames]

Agreed. I don't think that predatory monetization is good at all.

[@hfjtrytry9216]

@@Unethical.FandubsGames You cant change video games without changing the world. Everything in life is about ripping off the majority for max profits of the minority, its also called capitalism.

[@zeoplayz8021]

Yeah, this is true with gachas as well. Genshin for example uses FOMO by limited character banners to reel in people who really want the character to whale, and this is true for a lot of other gachas as well.

[@thundersheild926]

@@mohammedabdul4832 Just because you can circumvent the predatory practices doesn't mean that it's not predatory. Also, while downloading a cracked game may be easy for you, a good portion of the populace wouldn't know where to begin.

[@heckingoodboy634]

Change my mind on this: any game that lets you pay to lessen the amount you have to play it is bad, if the game was awesome then playing it would be the fun part, you wouldn’t want less of that.

[@FuhzyLiquids]

Good view on it

[@vip10277]

Well said

[@davenewark2297]

@Robin Sailo if you have to grind for 7 years to get to the fun part, it's a bad game

[@rjs4176]

Play-to-have-fun. Never pay-to-play.

[@coleG112]

True that. And I think that’s where PVE MTX can cause issues. If the game is designed around forcing you to pay, like Immortal arguably is, then it’s a problem.

[@wozing]

I watched a VOD of Asmongold buying everything he could the moment he came across it. Sort of as an experiment, sort of because he could. There's an NPC in the game that tells you about the "marketplace" and how you use special currency there. He then says "Here. Your first few are on me." The whole chat claimed "drug dealer" lol.

[@HackerArmy03]

Nice to know Asmongold's a huge hypocrite nowadays

[@ToxicMutantz]

Asmongold shit on blizzard and then immediately opened his wallet’s wussy wide open for them

[@aoitamashii]

@@HackerArmy03 He provided a clip showing the loot difference between a fully crested rift vs. a "f2p" rift and it was shocking. Like Borderlands vs Destiny levels of loot. So I don't think he was being hypocritical in doing that.

[@HackerArmy03]

@@aoitamashii Doesn't matter, he still whaled for the damn game. He's against P2W but ends up doing the same thing he is preaching against -- like what happened with Lost Ark IIRC.

[@banbrotherhood]

@@HackerArmy03 he's shitting on the game and showing you how horrible the microtransactions are by getting them in your stead. It's literally a shit show.

[@datboicj8491]

100,000 is such an outlandish number its like Blizzard is trying to get their last check before society decides to stop buying their games.

[@DC-ml6cv]

Reminds me of those phone games where if you upgraded everything the day it came out it was like 16k. And at least 10 ppl in each kingdom would be maxed that day. And they upgraded weekly. Imo those games started it all

[@Kurie]

"I'm honestly surprised it's not charging you for using your own WiFi to play the game." Blizzard - "WRITE IT DOWN"

[@OldManInternet]

The funniest part is the 100k price tag to max a character assumes they never add content to the game and power creep the old stuff. There isn't a doubt in my mind they'll expand heavily on this after it becomes their highest grossing game of all time.

[@flandrescarlet506]

Considering this is essentially what happened to Hearthstone with humble beginnings and a few years later extreme power creeping, I imagine this will be the case.

[@cylondorado4582]

At first I thought “it’s probably just $100,000 to max out a character without playing it at all, which doesn’t really make sense”. But then he mentioned losing your stuff for not logging in, and that alone makes it the worst game ever.

[@crookedbuns]

Definitely just preying on people who don't know better or have no self control. Preying on those with gaming/microtransaction addictions or encouraging that behaviour in people and it's ridiculous

[@PineappleBaconPizza]

@@crookedbuns I think the US should do something about this like Belgium. Honestly loot boxes and all that shit is so scummy. Legit preying on children that use their parents credit cards. I'm sure many are using them without their parents knowing

[@thewilltrillkillz8368]

It's kind of like scientology. "Oh it's a dollar why not" "Oh it's 3 dollars why not" "It's only 10 dollars why not" and so on.

[@onlineidssuck]

I feel personally attacked lmao. Literally saw the 99 cent welcome bundle and thought hey it's only a dollar. I've been finessed and didn't even realize

[@Koreryn]

It's called the sunken cost fallacy. Many mobile games do this. Get you to spend a little at a time. Then in increases. Until you've paid $1000 and you say oh it's only $50.

[@johnt.190]

It's called "the boiling frog". To quote Wikipedia: "The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly."

[@dutchdykefinger]

a lot of people will defend the merits of their poor purchase rather than come to terms they have been had too those are the people that are probably also more likely to have the "in for a penny, in for a pound" mentality this is far worse as a regular shitty purchase though as they slowly crank those fees up and normalize it rather than taking you for the lot straight away lol thanks but no thanks. i want 1 game, 1 monetary transaction up front and that's all she wrote, this shit with carving up content for DLC was already stretching it thin for me.

[@andrewjett5293]

Coming back to revisit this game after playing it and the worst part of the pay to win system just straight up making you stronger for spending money: the end game is all about the shadows vs immortals. To put it short, theres a shadow war and is essentially ends with a dps check. If you beat the immortal faster than the other clan, you win. Obviously you can just spend money for stuff and be better than everyone else in the server, and yes, people just spend money to be better than everyone else in the server. So pretty much, if you do want to play the game, play until you unlock a quest that says "participate in a shadow war" and then just uninstall it.

[@WigWoo1]

I don't really think Diablo immortals started the downward spiral for blizzard I think it was when they got purchased by Activision that was the nail in the coffin

[@sytra8013]

Terrible opinion thanks for sharing

[@beeman4266]

Wow that's an opinion that's never been said before. Welcome to 2010.

[@SeaCryptWeave]

and now microsoft

[@radicalcentrist4990]

Not really, they were still good for a while even under Activision. They released the most popular WoW expansion under Activision, they made Starcraft 2 under Activision, Overwatch and Hearthstone were good games in their beginning, Heroes of the Storm is pretty fun still.

[@nuttbag6658]

Dogshit opinion

[@pepethefrog6809]

To be honest, with the way they announced it and with the infamous "out of season april fools joke" being said, I already knew this game will be scummy.

[@Chris-of2ke]

i dont think even the almighty red shirt guy with all his foreshadowing wisdom would have expected how insanly despicable, disgusting, shameless and greedy it will be. If he did his reaction would be more like: "hahaha for a second you got me there, but this is obviously an april fools joke". Whoever makes this decisions: burn in Hell.

[@youngyoughurt]

Microtransactions are using the same psychological reactions that slot machines do. Does not matter whether it is single or multi player, it should be restricted.

[@AkaiKnight]

Lootboxes

[@Zekegedd]

At least with slot machines there’s the micro chance you win some money. They’ve figured out how to get people to give them money and give back absolutely nothing in return.

[@livingcheese2910]

@@AkaiKnight Or how EA used to call it back in 2019: "surprise mechanics"

[@its_trenner2900]

SWGOH got me with their lootboxes... F*CK CG...

[@Mike-om4tv]

Funny because many other things give you dopamine reward, so just because you're rewarded via the same neural pathways should that experience be restricted and regulated?

[@cwwalshe]

The 100k number is actually out of date they discovered that there is more hidden stats beyond the original ones people used to determine that now they think it could take 500k or more

[@zhenthewei]

I'm surprised that Charlie was so surprised with the 800% thing. This marketing tactic has been a long time in mobile game industry. They always advertise it with insane value to bait players to buy it.

[@funx24X7]

Yeah but it's sad to see such a venerable series stoop to such levels

[@NaJk93]

That deal is always the best deal you can get in those games as well. But it's not enough to get anything meaningful with the currency. So to actually get something that is decent, you have to pay A LOT more.

[@SamoIsKing]

Asmongolds reaction was the best. “800%?! I’D BE LOSING MONEY NOT BUYING THIS!”

[@bung0o]

Somethin called sarcasm

[@emilemil1]

I'm assuming I'm assuming the number is based on value relative to some baseline thing you can purchase that no one actually does purchase. Like if they had one ice cream that cost $10-20 that obviously no one buys, but lets them put a "+1000% value" tag on every other ice cream.

[@Chimpmanboom]

The scary thing about this is not that they made a game this scummy…it’s that they know it’s scummy, know it’s going to hurt their image even more and they don’t care because it’s still going to be a huge success and be worth the development cost and cost to blizzards image.

[@sosmooth13]

But it’s so egregious that it’s hard to fathom anyone wanting to spend THAT much money. I guess that’s my pov. I’ll shamelessly say I’m sometimes one of those people to spend money on a game but it’s literally only for cosmetics. Only games I’ve ever spent dlc money on is Destiny 2 and they actually seem to care.

[@greenpinapple820]

@@sosmooth13 every industry has its cows, things like diablo immortal, gacha, idols. All rely entirely pretty much on the 20 to 5 % of fans that are insane and will give their first born child to get the newest piece of content.

[@Msjj502]

@@sosmooth13 lol cosmetics is what they want you to buy, it takes no effort to make these stupid fuckin skins and saps like you eat them up. Dlc is actual game content that somebody had to put time and effort into making, cosmetics are stupid baubles that aren’t even real and they add nothing to your game

[@Willie6785]

@@Msjj502 and that's ok, it's fine to sell cosmetics for whatever much one wants. It ends up working as support for the devs without affecting the gameplay. The issue here imo is that their monetization DOES affect gameplay and progression, while they could have just focused on cosmetics only.

[@01amare]

Maybe they’ll stage a walkout

[@humanbean3]

It's scary to see how many people are defending this. We're witnessing the conditioning of the human mind in real time my friends. It only took like 9 years or something for everything to think this is "normal".

[@justkookl5651]

Which part are they defending aside from the monthly pass (idk how it works in DI but for the games I play u pay $5 and u login daily and get $50 worth which is fine. You don't lose anything, missing a login doesn't delete the rewards it's just paused until u login, f2p games gotta make money somehow and a monthly pass is pretty well accepted.

[@jays903]

@@justkookl5651 ya, those are called MMO's. Games sith years of content for $20. Not some shit game like this.

[@AluminumFusion22]

@@AcousticOlli Ideally a company should be split between making quality products, garnering fans and building brand loyalty, and making money from said fans and potential newcomers. Having a company doesn't automatically make you a greedy businessperson just because you wanna make money. You're greedy if you consistently put out subpar products and expect the same amount of revenue and ignore any constructive criticism your users and fans may have.

[@jays903]

@@AluminumFusion22 you just described blizzard since Activision took them over. Overarching is trash, warcraft is trash, they don't even make starcraft games anymore, and Diablo is trash. So where has the quality product went?

[@jays903]

@@AcousticOlli these games are here because of people like you that let them brainwash kids in to thinking this is ok

[@gwillis01]

Buying a fancy sports car would be a better use of $110,000. You would get more long term value out of the sports car.

[@coreynj]

Damn, I didn't expect a Triple A franchise to adopt ROBLOX's microtransaction model.

[@johnt.190]

Except with most games, you can actually, you know, PLAY and not spend a single cent if you want to.

[@DeathLore]

But WAY more greedy

[@thesterben5573]

atleast that one was playable

[@coreynj]

@@DeathLore that's debatable...

[@robloxsans3397]

@@coreynj no it isnt I would know. I am roblox sans. I can name P2W games that are less greedy. PSX, the most P2W game, is less greedy.

[@pockit5107]

Blizzard in 2018: "What? You guys don't have phones?" Blizzard in 2022: "What? You guys don't have enough spare money to put a down payment on a house?"

[@guywhosellsvapes4595]

Blizzard needs all that money to afford all those lawyers, and to afford the servers burning from supporting Overwatch's slow loading times in a dead game.

[@gorillagamers1041]

sounds like Microsoft bouta buy out blizzard

[@bodazaphfa]

Why do “mobile” games HAVE to have micro-transactions? The only answer I’ve ever heard to that question is, “because it’s a mobile game.” That circular reasoning doesn’t answer the question. These companies will continue to do this as long as people spend money on these micro-transactions. If you’re spending money on them, then you’re a large part of the problem. You’re creating the market that they’re taking advantage of.

[@pravkdey]

I'm guessing that it's much faster for transactions to go through on phones. I don't know maybe they have their card saved in the play store and can just one tap to pay whereas on consoles n PC you'd have to verify, and most likely with your phone anyway

[@bodazaphfa]

@@pravkdey I think you’re spot on. It’s very easy to tap “ok” as opposed to handing over cash or putting in all of your credit card info every time while thinking about the transaction.

[@melon6149]

There’s a decent reason. Because most mobile games are free the company needs to make money, so they have ads and micro transactions. Now obviously some get really greedy and have hundreds of things to purchase, upwards of 100s of dollars for a single bundle. And since mobile games frequently care more about money than making a good game almost every multiplayer game is p2w

[@LordArga]

Really doing their best to make EA look like an alright company.

[@vaisravana2092]

I mean EA is bloody cancer, but -at least for the time being- they don't have the rapey abuse shit going on. Not that I would be surprised if news of sth like that eventually came out after all, but currently actiblizz is probably the most disgusting big publisher to me, despite a LOT of strong competition.

[@Milinjos]

EA is better

[@Pammsa]

@@Milinjos At this point I can’t help but agree

[@PineappleBaconPizza]

Imagine telling someone 10-15 years ago that blizzard would turn into a company like this. People would call you a lunatic and say "blizzard?!? There's no way they could do such a thing!"

[@zh3nox]

@Raul oh sorry, i said i will stop spending money on shit companies like 10years ago. How would i know? I have virtues, you see

[@Ghost_Givn]

Even giving the benefit of the doubt that the estimations are high, paying more than the cost of a digital deluxe preorder AAA game ($120 or so) for a mobile game is just unconscionable.

[@flameshana9]

And yet people regularly spend hundreds of dollars a month on mobile games. One single game. They claim "It's a 3000 hour game! Your AAA game only lasted 40 hours!" when all of that is just grinding the same battles over and over like the free to play people did, except they didn't spent $1,000. People seem to believe that grinding = gameplay, which = value for your (hundreds of) dollars. It's as logical as watching the same movie 20 times claiming it gave you "40 hours of entertainment" because they charged you each time you watched it. This insanity is normal now.

[@vembdev]

@@flameshana9 People just enjoy spending money on things. If people can spend money in something they want, they will spend the money. They give whatever words they have learned to justify it. In any category - real estate, cars, travel, furniture, whatever. And if you annoy them long enough, they just tell you it's their money, they can do whatever they want, no matter how nonsense it is. That's all there really is to it, I think. And as long as there are people like that, willing to spend huge amounts of money on nonsense products, people selling the products will be increasing prices as much as they can for these nonsense products.

[@greggeiger7532]

Yup. People need to keep hammering this point home.

[@rottingcorpse6565]

A lot of people don't play mobile games and aren't really aware of the depths of fuckery that goes on there. This game is drawing attention to it from the gaming community at large.

[@s_mai8970]

I'm glad it is because the predatory system mobile games have is just sad and the fact it's been happening for a long time is even sadder. "Other games have done it" okay and? It doesn't make it better at all.

[@Oneknee23]

@@s_mai8970 100%, it blows my mind that people can sit there and type something that looks like has some effort and STILL be that clueless. I personally believe that they've been "in" the mobile game sphere for too long, and so when things get slowly and gradually worse, they don't notice/ignore it, and so they get conditioned to be used to it. While WE can clearly see how egregious it is because we have that outside perspective and so aren't conditioned to be used to it. Honestly, you can most likely toss in a sprinkle of the gamblers fallacy and you'd have the recipe of why they feel the need to defend it. With how much money they likely spent, I'm not surprised you have this weird and strange defensiveness coming from seemingly nowhere.

[@aleefmohammed244]

But in South East Asia Mobile gaming is primary mode of gaming due to expensive PC hardware and lack of PS5 / Xbox

[@iojDRE]

I'm sorry to inform you but I work in gaming development and mobile/tablet market is 52%, PC is just 20% and Console 28% (2021). So yea, the majority of people play mobile games. Not everyone can afford a console or a PC, however almost every human out there has a mobile phone. This however, does not justify anything of the trash they are putting into these games.

[@Oneknee23]

@@iojDRE that's certainly interesting to know, thanks for sharing. I'd personally say that's even worse however, if it's the majority and these problems are so prevalent AND getting worse still, then the situation needs to be addressed even more so because it's effecting a larger group of people.

[@kellymarland8235]

It takes more money to max your character then getting a degree in harverd 😮

[@andromedazwhy6266]

At this point they MUST be messing with us purposely. There is no way they were expecting people to approve of this.

[@Oldstalk]

They don't care, they want money, that's all

[@andromedazwhy6266]

@@Oldstalk Correct, I'm just saying they're not even trying to hide it.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

they want that Chinese market money, that's it, that is why this is so blatant, its targeting markets that have Whales, don't care if you see.

[@thescoundrel793]

They know there’s gonna be at least a few die hard fans that will drop that much cash, so they don’t give a shit about every other player

[@avidmomokayoitsumareader]

This is one of the best games I've ever played. I'm willing to spend my kids' tuition to play this.

[@PropaneWP]

The problem with pay to win in ANY game - even single player - is that the game will be tuned to incentivize you to spend more money. There will always be a clear advantage for the developer to create problems so that they can sell you the solution. That's why I disagree with Cr1tikal on this point. P2W is not ok in single player games.

[@Kamikaz3Badger]

The newer Assassin's Creed games come to mind with their grindy resource/material gathering, can't shake the feeling that they were made more grindy to make paying for them more appealing...

[@01amare]

Very well put sir.

[@01amare]

And games like this just add to the integrity level of a game like elden ring

[@PorkpieJohnny]

Never forget about the time that they removed microtransactions from Middle Earth Shadow of War. The game was clearly designed around the idea of forcing players to pay up, which became blatantly apparent when the ability to pay for microtransactions was removed. The game was virtually unplayable with how grindy it was, and it needed to be totally rebalanced

[@EthanPDobbins]

Microtransactions in general are scummy. I don't even like cosmetics. Games always used to have super cool exclusive cosmetics/gear but it was a reward for playing, not paying them money for pixels on a screen.

[@z.edits.2]

Even EA would be shocked,like a 100,000 dollars for a single character to be maxed out?!

[@fear_is_nearcz]

@Don't Read Profle Photo disapear

[@monogamousmatt546]

*FURIOUSLY TAKING NOTES*

[@alreawon1212]

Can someone tell me how much time it would take to max a character out as a f2p player? I think it's a pretty important factor because if it's like a month, then it's not a big deal, logically speaking.

[@z.edits.2]

@@alreawon1212 since of the amount of money you would need to pay i would it would take longer then a month

[@scottbecker4367]

EA: So that's the line huh? How can we move that?

[@MoonRabbit1977]

Its actually around $600,000 to max a character.

[@carterthill78]

I've never even played Raid: Shadow Legends but this sounds exactly how I imagine it. Also that login daily thing sounds so illegal.

[@Reign274]

Raid is shockingly decent for F2P, they realized quick that if they don’t give serious rewards to F2P players the community would die and whales need F2P players to keep the game alive. So it’s way worse.

[@master_swish]

F2P, in app purchases games thrive on the f2p population. Without them the community dies, even if the whales stay.

[@aaronkoning7255]

If someone wanted to bother, Blizzard probably could get sued for the daily login thing if it really does take away something that you paid for. It would likely be a difficult lawsuit to win though because of Terms and Conditions.

[@maidenreligion12]

@@aaronkoning7255 It'd be difficult to win because ActiBliz would just sit on its haunches and wait until any fool who tried to sue them either dropped the case or fell into bankruptcy. As far as I understand, Terms and Conditions aren't actually all that legally binding. They can't just do whatever they want because of them. Then again I'm not a lawyer so take that with a heavy dose of salt.

[@sethburleigh8967]

@@Reign274 I agree a lot of the gacha games (I play summoners war f2p) are pretty good to f2p players. If you want to be a top pvper yeah obviously you have to whale, but in summoners war at least, you can get plenty of good pve characters easily through f2p methods. Even through the story thats easy and doesn't take too long to complete.

[@jdubbs69]

It's nice to see that Activision/Blizzard is really stepping up to show the gaming community that they've reformed.

[@monogamousmatt546]

Yes. No more misconduct in the work place. They'll just make you sell your kidney to enjoy their game. No biggie.

[@JeffreyThrash]

I do actually work in a grocery store near relatively near Blizzard's HQ in Irvine and get a lot of Blizzard employees as customers. And they are seriously trying to push a narrative that Blizzard is VERY "feminist" and an "LGBTQA+ Ally", actually, by making their employees not only wear Blizzard merchandise outside the office at all times (which I always thought was vaguely disturbing when I first learned about that Blizzard policy in my very pro-Blizzard animation college), but wearing shirts and having bumper stickers on their cars and tote bags with a rainbow or pink versions of the "Blizzard" logo to show support for the same female and non-binary employees that have allegedly been sexually harassed at the studio. And this is coming from a company that claimed it wasn't political during the "Free Hong Kong" controversy. The real kicker is that, besides the Blizzards employees in their corporate-mandated Blizzard merchandise, my store is more populated by old, ultra-Republican, opinionated retirees that are more alarmed by "Aunt Jemima" syrup being re-branded as "Pearl Milling Company" syrup in response to the 2020 BLM protests than they are about the pandemic or climate change in an already-hot part of the country. In general, Orange County, California is disproportionately-Red county in otherwise Deep-Blue California and arguably even more extreme about it than Orange County, Florida. So you can imagine the stupid culture war nonsense I have to deal with at work every day when a jaded old guy in a "Let's Go Brandon" hat and shirt shares the same space as a Blizzard employee reluctantly promoting their employer's brand of corporate "woke-ness" by wearing rainbow Blizzard logos all over themselves. And, to be clear, while I have inevitable drifted left just to annoy Orange County Boomers, I think corporate "woke-ness" in general is laughable and does more harm than good to the causes these companies claim to support, especially coming from a company that obviously deserves to be criticized for how it treats its employees and fans like modern Blizzard. As usual, I don't know what Blizzard is even trying to accomplish with virtue-signaling.

[@rjs4176]

Yeah no. It's more like Activision/Blizzard's heinousness has made the gaming community itself reform.

[@Lornext]

@@JeffreyThrash Yuck

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@Lornext I know. This is definitely one of those jobs I only have to pay the bills. Still would be the easiest job in existence if not for how insanely-politically-minded both the customers and my co-workers are, seemingly incapable of talking to me about anything more pleasant than death, injustice or economic inflation. Makes me want to go back to the days when my most intense disagreements only involved whether Mario or Sonic would win in a fight.

[@dashleyfox]

I tried it out of curiosity. The moment it asked me to spend money after clearing a dungeon, I uninstalled it.

[@GriffinZambia]

Dont read my name😑....

[@OriginalDizzleKing]

Ah so you got mad and butthurt that microtransactions exist rather than playing the game and seeing its worth as a free game that plays well without even spending a dime.

[@alaeriia01]

​@@OriginalDizzleKing go away, Bobby Kotick.

[@Dr.HooWho]

@@OriginalDizzleKing oh look a microtransactions blizzard bootlicker

[@akshattripathi1770]

Based

[@moviebad109]

“Do you guys not have credit cards?”

[@ComicGladiator]

"Do you guys not have second mortgages?" - The Diablo devs.

[@forgivezharion6989]

Ratio + yb better + nobody cares + this you 🤓🤓👶🏽👨🏼‍💻👨🏼‍💻

[@trevortheturkey8411]

@@forgivezharion6989 shut up

[@ImGonnaRageQuit]

Best comment here

[@rady7273]

this strategy is sooo scummy but also so smart. They start it off by giving players a super good deal which breaks the barrier from "I'm not paying anything for this game" to "ah whatever, I've already spent some money so what's another dollar or two". And only letting paying people into clans is also smart for multiple reasons, 1. of course people are gonna want to be in clans and will then pay for that alone but also 2. when you throw a bunch of pay to win players into a group, they will want to compete and always be the best, which means they will spend more and more money to get there. That wouldn't be the case if they let F2P players in because as soon as you spend just a little bit you are already on top. Damn this is so scummy

[@TheSymsky]

funnily enough this business model has been in league for DECADES. I remember seeing hobby magazine subscription with like a bit of a 3-6 months project you assemble bit by bit by getting every issues, be it model trains, planes, stuff like that. First one was always one bucks, second one and onwards 10-20 bucks.

[@DeadTechno22]

Raid Does this too lol

[@dustinsmith8830]

Your right that happened to me in like 70 dollars into already

[@anecro]

And yet it's nothing new or revolutionary. Blizzard is literally copying the tons upon tons of copy paste garbage playstore's been keeping up for years. This is yet another copy-paste situation with this game as far as this stuff is concerned. Don't you think they put any effort at all into thinking this through and developing their own strategy to get the most out of the game, they literally looked at something else and just used that. It's copying homework and not even changing it. Takes a single search in playstore to confirm how much of the same horrible gambling game exists on there.

[@Tomha]

I remember when Blizzard was new and loving their games so much. It's like seeing a friend of yours die, but instead of just having the joy of "Hey, you remember Blizzard?" It's more like somebody dug up it's corpse, skinned it, and is parading around in it's rotting skin claiming he's Blizzard trying to steal your money for drugs.

[@coreysayre1376]

I've often said watching these companies over the last 5-10 years is like watching old friends slowly falling into a drug dependency, lose everything they have spent their lives building one by one, and then in a finaly show of desperation when nothing is left they begin to reach out to those closest to them to exploit for as long as possible, rather than face the music and begin the healing process. Imho it it actually much easier and preferable to have lost a good friend entirely out of the blue when they are in their prime. It certainly was for me personally; I'll always have the fond memories of my uncle that passed away, but probably always regret not having done (or being able to have do) more to save one of my best friends from college that actually happened to. And it's not like we haven't been pleading with the industry that this road is a dead end, but as the old saying goes you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[@Seydaschu]

Digging through my old SNES games, pulling out Lost Vikings and Rock N Roll Racing. Ah, I'll bet the guys who made those classics moved on to a real game company a long time ago.

[@dragonrider9051]

Blizzard like the cousin you went to summer camp with in 6th grade and had innocent fun, then after highschool y'all meet up and find out there drugged out and in jail for the 6th time and relapse on every release.

[@just_euranian7817]

Charlie: I’m surprised they’re not making you pay to use your own wifi… Blizzard: hmmmmm Charlie, thank you for this great idea, make online multiplayer a subscription service

[@DragoNate]

5:15 "people have worshipped, kissed the ground of Blizzard" yeah, i have one friend who will no matter what. every awful thing they do, he sluffs off & gives an excuse to still call them a good company "oh, but they donated to charity once" ugh i can't talk to him about it ever.

[@AUsernameAndChannel]

Does your friend hate women? How does he justify the blatant discrimination, sexual harassment and such? Your "friend" sounds like a horrible person

[@DiViNEReject]

Sounds like it's time for new friends

[@anecro]

What's funny is that I have a friend who plays LoL almost 24/7, pretty much never goes out with few exceptions and just sits there, raging every day. Been going on for years. And even he doesn't do that for Riot or LoL. He acknowledges pretty much everything about the company and the game and even his own situation, even if he doesn't truly try to fix it ever. This is what's sad about Blizzard. Some people still think supporting the company is the right thing to do cause they remember being right and accepted in a community back in the 2010s. The guy probably doesn't realize how he looks and sounds. It's worse than true bottom of the barrel stuff like League.

[@DragoNate]

@@DiViNEReject lmao, been friends with him for years, but we don't talk too much anymore. I just avoid this topic with him now since it's pointless. except that I may shove him this video in DMs :D

[@DragoNate]

@@anecro Yeah, I kinda agree. My friend seems to at least realize, but either doesn't care or just likes the games so much that it's not gonna matter. which is fine i guess, at least that would be honest. i just wish he'd admit that rather than try to justify or argue that blizzard is a good company worth supporting when they're definitely not.

[@Palaecro]

Not surprised! This is EXACTLY what I thought they would do. They only see those $$$ and want to profit on phone games. Worst part is I bet they make a ton on it.

[@hunt7533]

Yea a lot of brainlets who waste tons money on a shitty game, they must have terrible taste to even enjoy trash games like that.

[@Antiformed]

They will, especially because of dopes saying "it's a good game under all that", no morons, 'under all that' is just Endless of Gods, another identical Chinese gacha 'arpg' where you press the screen and the game auto-plays for you. It is literally not good as a game or as a Diablo spinoff. It's a pre-existing sweatshop NetEase game from china skinned over with diablo references, and the absolute troglodytes still buying into Blizz products seriously think that's "a good game". The standards of the gaming world have never been lower if people think Diablo Immortal is ""fun"" or in any way a 'new' game and not just a reskin of every other chinese mobile arpg.

[@Tenma2411]

yea they had the Diablo 3 AH which cost real life money to get items ingame.

[@xKillerClownx]

@@Antiformed Most mobile games do play themselves, but where does Diablo Immortal play itself?

[@Antiformed]

@@xKillerClownx Have you ever played any mobile game arpg? You tap the screen and the game does everything for you. Immortal literally has a mode where a trail appears and your character just auto-navigates where it wants you to go (like every other mobile arpg)

[@TheSpirateCoast]

I love how blatantly Blizzard just does not care at all anymore and, at the same time, tries so hard to lie about how much they still do. With every new entry to their IP's just proving the former fans to be right in their statements and disproving the companies self-proclaimed intentions.

[@C4lico]

Imagine how well the game would've been received if it was just a two or three dollar up front cost with cosmetic only micro transactions

[@fawkespryde9183]

Anyone who says 'when you hit rock bottom, all you can go is up' didn't expect Blizzard to respond to that by bringing out a shovel so they can keep digging.

[@ddraigtheonion]

they didn't even bring a shovel, they just immediately went with dynamite to go deeper