OLD PRO DSLR VS Canon ENTRY LEVEL Mirrorless Camera

[@addskipper1764]

Isn't the Canon EOS R100 the most "entry level" mirrorless in their lineup?

[@Gulliolm]

I'd call the R100 a bad joke. But even if you ignore the really bad R100 the R50 is still a pretty good option. Comparable to the 850d style lineup

[@HenrysCameras]

About a thousand Canadian dollars is a very common price point for customers shopping for an entry level camera and since the price matched the regular price of the used camera I went with that! :P

[@fractera]

@@HenrysCamerasnah you knew you're wrong but just went with it for the sake of consistency lol

[@LecroysOrganicPhotos]

I knew photo B was the 5d immediately. The 5d colors have a lot of character. In the right hands, it has and will continue to create masterpieces.

[@HenrysCameras]

Agreed!

[@Drmikekuna]

I love taking pictures, but I only do professional work when asked. I have a 5D III and 5D IV (and other cameras), but I go to the 5Ds repeatedly when I have a professional job. Why?? I know that I can count on them, and I'm so familiar with how they handle that I can count on myself, too! My professional work is fundamental: headshots, corporate work, webpage work, architectural work (probably what I do the most), and events. The 5Ds have always worked well for me. I agree that newer cameras have better tech and do operations, like tracking a subject, better. However, for my needs, my old cameras are good enough. I would not see an image quality difference with a newer camera as most of my images wind up on web pages or in photo books.

[@brucemacneil]

Nice video - solid work. A second hand R6 or R5 coupled with the RF 35mm f1.8 is a surreal value.

[@phynx2006]

One of my first cameras was the Canon 5D Mark III then moved up to the Canon 5D Mark IV which I still own, and I now have the Canon R5. I love both the DSLR cameras, but you are correct about the lenses. I have the EF and RF 24-105mm F4 L lenses and the RF lens is a little sharper, the Image Stabilization probably helps. When your on a tripod and shooting with a low ISO the DSLR's are still great cameras, but it's hard to beat the flippy screen and IS, great video 👍👍😎.

[@HenrysCameras]

Thanks!!

[@jiridvorak]

Have 5DSR for last 6 year, i do just commercial photo (real esteate, virtual tours, wedding just very rare), and hence i don´t have single reason to switch to new mirrorless. Until this beast kick live i will use it.

[@HenrysCameras]

There is for sure a few reasons why mirrorless is better.... but the question I always ask myself is "is better needed for this job"... Sometimes the answer is NO! If it works it works right! But I would 10/10 recommend checking out mirrorless for video work. There's a reason as to why I didn't talk about video in this episode because the R10 crushes pretty much all DSLRs when it comes to video. Different tools for different jobs!

[@mudgie069]

I'm still using my Canon 5D III and also have an original 5d classic. I also have an Olympus e-m10 MK III for a smaller lighter every day camera. The 5D III does everything I need still for my shooting needs so have no intention of upgrading just for the sake of upgrading. Nice comparison video. Btw, I only paid £350 for my 5d III about 2 years ago with less than 60k actuations.

[@jmoffitt36]

Yeah I use an Olympus em1 mkIII for my everyday stuff and a 6D mk1 when I need full frame (Mostly 85mm 1.4 or 50mm 1.4/1.8). I have a good collection of modern and vintage lens. I can throw just about anything on the em1. Mind you I can get by just fine on the em1 and still get blurry backgrounds.

[@destinybond]

The corner sharpness is wrong. You are comparing crop to full frame using full frame lenses. I do agree that the rf lenses are sharper corner to corner but the corner on the r10 is not the real corner of that full frame lens.

[@HenrysCameras]

This is a reasonable explanation for some of the sharpness improvements! Thanks!

[@oswqld]

This ^^^ the crop sensor is cropping into the sharpest part of the image!!! Max Frost makes wonderful lens reviews and it's easy to see in those videos. (He tests everything on APS-C and Full Frame).

[@destinybond]

@@oswqld i think you meant Chris Frost 😆

[@Democratiser]

@@oswqldThe interesting thing is that often full frame lenses perform worse on APSC crop sensors, particularly if the lens is not top quality ( L glass in the case of Canon).

[@SMGJohn]

For that price I was kinda expecting Canon 6D Mark 2 which can be had for similar price brand new.

[@HenrysCameras]

I was going for a former flagship that is much older VS a modern entry level camera. I think the 6D Mkii was worse in low light... but I wonder if the quality of screen was better... Now you got my curious :P. Would have also been a good pick but the 5D fit better for the KZbin title! hahah.

[@SMGJohn]

@@HenrysCameras Wont disagree with that, the 6DM2 does have PDAF on the sensor in liveview and a flippy screen. On Photons to Photos website, the Photographic Dynamic Range Chart shows the 6DM2 having basically the same performance as the 5DM3 per ISO level, so very interesting, but flippy screen is such a night and day difference LOL just ability to get weird angles with the camera was such a game changer in 2007 when I first tried a camera with a flippy screen, hard to go back to one with fixed screen. 5DM3 would also technically be the superior video camera with magic lantern for those that enjoys suffering with RAW video.

[@HenrysCameras]

@@SMGJohn Oh ya I totally forgot about that whole hack to get RAW video... That's crazy! But do agree on the floppy screen.. ya can't ever go without it once you have it!

[@yankiefrankie]

The 5D Mark III does not have duel pixel autofocus (DP). This did not come until the 5D Mark IV (and 70D as a first generation). The Mark iii has face detection in live view, but the focus is contrast based, and it does not continuously focus on faces like DP. The box on the face shown that the camera recognizes a face in the frame, but it is not focusing on it. You have to hold down the focus button to get it to focus on something (like a face) and it would SLOWLY hunt back and forth until the face was in focus (like all contrast based focus systems). It was crap and very jarring in video footage, so most people would manually focus. I had a Mark III for years before upgrading to the Mark IV, and I just didn't use video because of the focus. I could never get the hang of the manual focus in video. The Mark IV changed all of this.

[@HenrysCameras]

That's definitely why it was hard to judge what's in and what's out of focus.

[@Nuka_Gaming]

I would argue that the RP would be a better comparison, especially from Canons refurbished site. 26 MP full frame sensor. I own an RP and a 5D MKIII and unfortunately for my 5D it just doesnt hold up

[@geometerfpv2804]

People are so mean to digital stabilization...to call it a "draw" vs. literally no stabilization at all is nuts. In the FPV drone cinematic world, all we use is digital stabilization. It's used to create all sorts of shots for big budget hollywood movies. Yeah, you get crop, so shoot with a wider lens, sheesh. It gives you gimbal-like performance without the weight and space of a gimbal, it's pretty cool.

[@Anco]

I have a m50, and the stabilization is not that good on budget canon camera's. Certainly not gimbal like. It can help for if you are standing still maybe. But if you walk, you also want to apply more afterwards, so then you can shoot just as well without and do all afterwards. And wide lenses (certainly on a budget) are hard to find/ more expensive. So I don't know if it should be a draw, because the option to have it is always nice, but how it works on my camera, it does not add much

[@HenrysCameras]

Digital stab on a crop sensor mirrorless and an FPV drone is totally different haha. But also think about how a 16mm gets cropped by 1.5x... because this is a crop sensor... then cropped again by something like 1.2x because digital stab... Thats like a 30mm! and digital stab on mirrorless cameras can still look a little funky even after the massive crop. PASS! :)

[@DBrccrawling]

been using CF cards for 11 years and never bend 1 pin on any body

[@phynx2006]

Same here, there's nothing wrong with CF Cards.

[@Excalibugi]

Same here. Been using 5D mark2 for 13 years and have never had any problems with CF cards. I feel they are much more robust than SD cards.

[@DBrccrawling]

@@Excalibugi feel the same and never lost any data on it and all over the internet you see SD failing, i remove around 20 -30 cards daily on 1dx 7d2 7d1 and never had any bending or failing. the people complaining about CF are the once that never used them

[@HenrysCameras]

God bless ya! I've seen far too many but we deal with cameras everyday so some people get lucky I guess :)

[@markkelly3739]

This year I took photos with my D4 and put them against my z8 and side by side you would not really be able to tell them apart. The real difference is in the focus tracking and being able to crop more on the z8 but there is no comparison in build quality, D4 wins hands down and it was made in Japan not Thailand.

[@paulandrewrussell]

I bought a secondhand 5D MKIII a couple of years with a 5000 shutter count. I had a Nikon D5300. I love the 5D MKIII. I have no interest in going mirrorless.

[@HenrysCameras]

Dang! 5000 clicks is nearly new! Awesome find. If it aint broke don't fix it right!

[@paulandrewrussell]

@@HenrysCameras Indeed.👍

[@mostlymessingabout]

Btw wouldn't a full frame mirrorless also have issues with lenses? Poor corners?

[@HenrysCameras]

slightly but not as much because of the distance between the rear element of the lens and the sensor. This is a huge benefit of the removal of the mirror on a DSLR. Then of course lens improvements as well. The RF lenses have just gotten so much better. Thanks for the question!

[@TheLordstrider]

18:35 side by side 2 photos, your saying impossible to tell the difference? the difference so huge that i don't know where should i start. the image on the left is much sharper, more details could be seen, better highlights and more. and all of that i was able to spot without my glasses. the difference is like night and day. The whole issue with corner IQ is also wrong, comparing full frame Lens on APS-C camera will indeed lower the IQ and especially in the corners. sadly the whole review is kinda pointless when comparing Full frame to an APS-C camera. should have picked both APS-C or both Full frame to compare. i would have recommended to compare Canon 5D Mark 4 vs Canon Eos R. as they both use the same sensor, only difference is DSLR body vs Mirrorless. or use the same 5D Mark III as shown in the video Vs Eos R. what ever rocks your boat. both options would have given us the best comparison. on the APS-C front could have used Canon 850D vs R50. (or similar bodies to choose from). although the R100 is not as bad as people saying, i am not throwing it in to the mix. It uses the last gen sensor and the only EOS R body to use it. that being said, after testing R100 to 850D for myself the sensor quality of R100 beats 850D hands down.

[@Mightymoose02]

USD1000 for a EOS 5D III??? I paid USD350 for a very nice looking Canon EOS 5D MK3 with 10k shutter count a few weeks ago. Heck of a lot better than buying a USD1000 R10. Will be a perfect backup camera.

[@t-mar9275]

Henry's is a Canadian chain of camera stores, so he's talking $CDN. That would bring the price down to around $735 US. Also, buying from a large chain will be more expensive that buying privately. I just went onto my local classifieds and the first ad was for a 5D Mk III at $550 CDN ($400 US).

[@HenrysCameras]

With the conversion from USD to CAD right now... $350 US is like... 12M Canadian so this totally makes sense.... lol :)

[@ducnguyen1999]

Uh oh, so what did the us crissis affect to jpn company 😕

[@HenrysCameras]

If I am reading your question correctly... Japan swooped in to take advantage of the crisis. Japan actually stared to really thrive due to the demand for more affordable luxury products such as cameras. these products started to ship all over the world because they were cheap and well made. So they did very well!

[@chik0240]

the dual pixel is wrong.. 5D3 is still contrast focus, I have been using it till just now upgrading to R5 II, 5D4 have dual pixel for first time

[@HenrysCameras]

Good catch!

[@chik0240]

@@HenrysCameras Just because I am using it for 12 years 🤣

[@HenrysCameras]

​@@chik0240 People who stick with older cameras and actually continue to make things... Respect!

[@chik0240]

@@HenrysCameras actually coz by that point the ISO gain only meaningful in pixel peeping, and focus speed and accuraacy is plenty good, tracking with old L glass even for sports photography is enough for amateur freelance, plus the OVF don't need to put on the cap everytime to protect the shutter or sensor, most importantly a battery grip with 2 LPE6 can last a 2 weeks trip, and you can enjoy the natural scene without lag, if it wasn't there will be no more new DSLR with latest sensors, I won't even go for the R5II, the newer lens isn't much lighter, or meaningfully better (they lacks character for most works) but much more expensive.. I still prefer using the good and expensive (back then) EF glass with control ring adapter

[@HenrysCameras]

@@chik0240 I agree. That's why I am always hesitant to do these flat lay type of analysis because in the field... You barely notice a difference. That's exactly what I found at the end of the video. The images are sooo hard to tell apart. But the RF lenses do make a difference. The question is... does that really even matter to the person shopping for the gear? Maybe not!

[@PJ-om2wq]

Nikon D4 vs Nikon what? Z50?

[@HenrysCameras]

hmmmmm... :) Maybe

[@arkirider6972]

It should be old full frame 5d 3 vs new full frame r6

[@mostlymessingabout]

10000 maple syrup dollars 😂

[@HenrysCameras]

Glad one person caught that ;)

[@lprcardin2727]

Exposure triangle?!? What the hell are you talking about?

[@HenrysCameras]

*engages fast and furious full auto mode*... "for family"... lol

[@mikko001]

Sadly you are comparing those lenses wrongly.. you can't take the same picture with fullframe 70mm and 1.6x crop 70mm = 112mm. If using 70mm @ f2.8 on 5D you should use about 44mm f1.8 in R10.. and since you can't do it with that RF lens, use 44mm f2.8 on R10 and 70mm f4.5 on 5D.. It would be more fair in the corners and same field of view. Is that EF24-70mm I or II version? And I think 5D isn't PRO, and doesn't have full size HDMI. But kinda interesting comparison...

[@SMGJohn]

DoF =//= Aperture exposure. The lens wont magically get darker on a smaller sensor, only depth of field is different because of magnification.

[@mikko001]

@@SMGJohn then you are taking different kind of images, not equal so comparing different things..

[@HenrysCameras]

There are many ways one could review image quality. The goal here was not to focus on the lenses... (pun intended)... but focus on sensor performance... I just couldn't help myself since what I was noticing was actually the difference between EF and RF lenses. The intention was to keep all the elements the same, not mess around with different focal lengths. Changing the aperture would 100% make a difference and skew the results because as you get closer to F8 or F11 you reach the sharpest point in the lens. So comparing sensors performance while also changing the aperture would make things appear SLIGHTLY more sharp... but again we were not actually comparing the lenses even though it turned out to be the biggest surprise and difference. You are correct about the HDMI port though lol.

[@SMGJohn]

@@mikko001 I do not understand, what does DoF have to do with comparing? Its simply magnification, a smaller sensor, has a tighter view, aka FIELD OF VIEW. Also known as magnification, what do I mean by that? You take a 60 megapixel full frame sensor and a 25mm lens, you crop 2 times in post, and then you compare to a 16 megapixel micro four thirds sensor also with a 25mm lens but no crop, what do you get? The exact same image, you can literally rent that above equipment and test it, you will see, exposure is exactly the same with the exact same settings, your bokeh, is exactly the same, you get the exact same field of view, because smaller sensor = smaller field of view. Simple is it not? So why do smaller sensors have less depth of field? Because of the lenses, not the sensor. 25mm lens give less depth of field, then a 50mm lens do, but if you put a 50mm lens on a m4/3 sensor, you get 100mm field of view, because of magnification, hence 2 times crop factor. I hope that explains it to you. Magnification means you zoom in essentially with a smaller sensor, compared to a bigger sensor does the opposite, so a medium format sensor has even bigger field of view than full frame because its magnification is like 0.6 times compare to 1 time (full frame FOV) and micro four thirds has 2 times magnification because its field of view is smaller.

[@mikko001]

@@HenrysCameras but u compared fullframe lens but didn't use the corners on R10.. so I think that isn't fair comparison.. :)

[@NoahSONG]

I'd say if you are only taking pictures, RP is the way to go. Canon usually dont give you goodies when you shop cheap, but RP is kind of an outlier when priced at 1099

[@HenrysCameras]

That camera has come down in price a lot! But just not a DSLR. Enjoy the camera!

[@Crispkind]

For everything "slow" the RP is really awesome. But when it comes to wildlife, Sports etc so fast moving objects. The 4 shots a second is just to slow. I would say that the R10 is the better pic by now. Lowlight performance with the new sensors are better so the only thing that the RP shines at is getting more background compression when at the same framing (not same mm as you have to zoom more with the RP then with the aps-c cameras)

[@georgelpons]

For most entry mirrorless is missing a 0 (r100)

[@Crispkind]

The R100 and R50 are replacements for the M50, M50mark ii etc. Sure they have the same mount but the R10 is the lowest priced "usable" of canons R lineup.

[@georgelpons]

@@Crispkind I wouldnt say the r100/50 is unusable. The m50 was well liked in its time. As both are cheaper than the r10, i would see it more as the entry level to r mount than the r10. R10 is more a 90D replacment, what would make it an enthusiast Level Camera.