“Old School” Forehands Are Better

[@CRAIGLSANDERS]

Ryan, You are a phenomenal teaching pro and one of my go to channels when trying to tweak my own game, i.e., I am a USTA 4.0 - 4.5 level player, and in teaching my students on court as a teaching pro. Excellent teaching on the forehand except you just taught a version of the modern forehand. Old school would be more along the lines of McEnroe and Connors. The ready position (elbows out w/athletic stance on the balls of your feet), unit turn with both hands on the racquet, and high elbow in the loading phase that you consistently teach and even share in this video are game changers for myself and my students. Agassi actually had a version of the modern forehand but with more of an eastern grip. He brushes up on the ball like the topspin pro that you encourage us to use Agassi just hit flatter more on the level of the ball versus mid-thigh level. Kyrgios, Halep, and Federer even do a version of what you just taught here. I agree with just about everything that you said in this video including leg drive similar to James Blake, except this is a modern forehand which is a very dependable forehand for intermediate to expert level players as you well know. I appreciate all that you do for the tennis community. Please keep up the great content!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thank you so much for the kind words. I know this isn’t “old school” like Johnny Mac. I teach a more classic. Vic Braden type of game and in the comments I always get people telling me that I’m too “old school” and need to start teaching next gen/windshield wiper/lag and snap technique. So I decided to go with the “old school” theme and run with it. Thanks again for the kind words. And again, I agree with everything you wrote above. Thanks!!!

[@Gileno]

Thanks

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey thank you so much!

[@dougwrightuspta6221]

Ryan ... This online lesson was probably the most detailed, accurate, and concise I've ever seen from you. Old School Methods have been developed over a generation, being refined for effectiveness.

[@DrBilalian]

Ryan, your videos are great as always and I appreciate everything you do for the tennis community. May God Bless you, your family, and your loved ones! I’m glad to have a tennis friend like you! Let’s talk soon 🎾👍🏾

[@2MinuteTennis]

Incredible well wishes. Thank you so much. Best for you and your family as well for this year. Thanks again so much!!!

[@HarveyLeeAo]

The best coach! Your coaching is always easy to understand and master. I'm learning a lot from your videos. Thank you Ryan!

[@TikiCat3]

You are an amazing trainer, coach and communicator, Ryan. Your visual, conceptual analysis and metaphors make learning so much easier. Thanks! Rick B

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow thank you so much!!! Amazing comment.

[@ZacharyShahan]

@@2MinuteTennis 100% true. Top-notch quality in every regard. Thank you!

[@JaynJyoti]

You are just too good Ryan. Your passion for helping others is beautiful and amazing. Thanks mate from Australia.

[@Rick-si2fj]

I´m glad you post so many basic videos on the forehand. Keep them coming!

[@thomasc4777]

That's a great forehand, and a modern one to me. It's an Agassi forehand, one of the best in the world. The classic or "old school" forehand, as I know it, is characterized by the continental and eastern grips. McEnroe and Connors used a forehand like that.

[@andyford6650]

Exactly. But I have a feeling that this was a planned Bait and Switch tactics, since he is totally aware that by making such a false claim people will click. There are so many good modern forehand instruction lessons in youtube, that almost no-one will click if he posted the topic saying "modern forehand instruction"... instead he cleverly chose to say "old school" ... clearly for bait.

[@andyford6650]

Then inside the video just talks about "modern forehand" (referring to it as old school).

[@bonzwah1]

To be fair, as time progresses, what is considered "old school" changes. Most of the younger guys on tour don't hit this way, so he does have some justification for his title. I agree that he is most likely choosing this title as a way to get clicks, but he isn't outright lying either.

[@arunjetli3770]

U are wrong check Tilden with the eastern grip old style and new style lime Fed

[@emjay2045]

@@andyford6650🙄

[@donho4109]

I think from a “fundamental” standpoint , the way you instruct how to hit the forehand is superb and that is how most non-athletic people and average level athletes should base their game upon this methodology. However, a supreme athlete would bypass some of these checkpoints as it has become inefficient in modern tennis with the new technology advances with the strings and racket design. The game of tennis continues to evolve and there will be different styles and formats to get the end results. What you preach is excellent and how I begin teaching my students as well, however, the more athletic the student the faster I advance them through the checkpoints and allow them to identify what works best for them. Great video, nevertheless! I have enjoyed watching your content and have gleaned some good ways to impart the correct swing thoughts from what you shared. Keep ‘em coming. Happy New Year! 2021.

[@2MinuteTennis]

I 100% agree with you. I think KZbin coaches and online coaches in general should stick to basic fundamentals and only teach advanced concepts to their “in person” students. A lot of damage is done to lower level players when they watch “wrist lag” videos and attempt that type of stroke. I like to keep my online instruction simple as not to cause more or a problem than I solve. Thanks again!!!!

[@marcgabor9690]

@@2MinuteTennis What new technology? Spin friendly strings and rackets have been around since the late 90s.

[@2MinuteTennis]

@@marcgabor9690 thanks so much Marc?

[@nicorsar]

Ryan. Vic Braden is smiling from above, and Steve Smith and the Great Base folks are proud. Thank you for teaching science and physics!!

[@rorymurphy6220]

I have altered my service technique as per your instruction party hat and already notice a difference in power after only two practice sessions Having trouble trying to.learn slicing away off court to the right as I always sliced across my body but ill practice that .

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hi Rory. I understand it can be difficult. I went through the same thing as a kid learning. If you’d like me to help you we can always do a live Zoom lesson together. You can learn more about them here: onlinetraining.2MinuteTennis.net/programs. Thanks!!!

[@RonnieColeman80]

Best tutorial ever on the forehand, and I've seen hundreds of them, trust me. Subscribed

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow thank you so much Kid!! You got this!

[@RonnieColeman80]

@@2MinuteTennis I've been playing tennis regularly for 10 years now, I always struggled even tough I have pretty good athleticism, I think I finally got what I needed to take my game to the next level and enjoying doing it.

[@doorknobny]

Please explain the role of the front foot in the point hitting process .. Thnk u

[@thelonerangermagee7881]

Keep up the good content bro your doing really well. Love it

[@CJZM7777]

Another good video. The side by side video analysis is excellent. Again, I see a lot of Vic Braden influence as he taught the sit and lift forehand. James Blake also mentioned "sit and lift" as a key he learned from his father. The only thing I might question is I don't think it is necessary to go quite as high as these pros. I personally like to take the racket back with the racket head about head high. From there, I loop back and down.

[@hannesreinhardt1399]

I picked up tennis again after 30 years. Played semiwestern/ western as youngster, competitevely. Very much topspin oriented. Today i can't hit consistant doing that. I adopted "half semiwestern" grip and swingpath similair to Mcenroe/ conners. So much more control and plenty of power for my recreational play. When facing heavy topspin i try to take it early. The high takeback and drop doesn't work for me.

[@Better_Call_Raul]

Good stuff. Get the racquet below the ball and strings closed. That is very important to generate topspin... Not clear on the buttcap pointing to the ball tip. Hear that tip a lot but don't know exactly why that is important and what that actually does. Will have to check if I am doing it. I think I am but never think about it. Not sure what the error would be. How does a rec player not point the buttcap? Isn't it automatic?

[@tarak714]

Great video. I’m going to practice this, thanks!!

[@simonggreen7383]

Great video Ryan thanks for sharing 👍

[@opencurtin]

My arm gets very stiff when I try to hit through the ball I can’t stop this feeling of lack of control while hitting the ball

[@caozhe]

how to apply this high-low-high with open stance to hit fast ball? I thing this cycle needs time which makes it difficult to catch fast ball.

[@artsgonzales]

Great session!! I have come to realize that tennis is mostly eye-brain- hand-body-feet activity. Do you have pointers on how to get or develop that 'groove' and 'instinct' or 'court and ball sense" into our system? When do we need a coach on this? How do we drill and practice to develop "muscle memory"? Because... in an actual game, almost all of the time all I can think of is: "where is the ball"...at the most: "where is the ball" going" !!

[@rodf9000]

Love your videos! I watched two FH videos and you did not mention the grip, which affects the racket face position during the swing. Better to talk about the unit turn instead of racket take back. By turning the racket gets in correct position without your arm going away from your body which allows a more controlled swing.

[@harryoliver4688]

Should you use your left hand to close the racquet on the downswing for a one handed backhand?

[@manik.v3966]

Super helpful, thank you very much.

[@rorymurphy6220]

Hi how do I order the topspin pro. I don't see a link when I watch the 2 minute video

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hi Rory. Wow thank you for asking. Here’s the link. Thanks so much!!!! topspinpro.com/ref/2minutetennis/

[@jankogo]

Amazing as always! I will practice this next week.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Awesome!! Thank you for letting me know and keep me posted!!

[@jankogo]

@@2MinuteTennis I sure will! And BTW my serve is a lot better after "elbowing opponent", chopping the party hat and karate chop with a twist. :-) I did four aces last time I played with good placement as well as speed and that has never happened before.

[@tomschrag1764]

where can you buy the practice net

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hi Tom. Thanks for the message. Here’s my link for the TopspinPro. topspinpro.com/ref/2minutetennis/

[@mikeso5963]

is racket face close due to the grip? and most of wta player's racket faces are not as close as atp players'

[@khmak9387]

What grip did Agassi use on his forehand? I learned tennis in the 80s, and so ended up with an Eastern forehand without realising it.

[@bradcranford157]

Spot on. My students struggle with keeping the wrist set from "tap the dog" and contact. Their brain makes them turn their wrist to "slice the butter" before the journey to contact. Any anecdote for that issue? Keep the videos coming. Great content.

[@susanj.6976]

Hi Ryan, I looked at a slow motion of Zevrev hitting forehands produced by Tennis channel and he uses a semi western grip and is using the modern windshield wiper forehand swing as most pros. Would you say most young players who are starting out, below the age of 30 or so should consider the modern WW stroke and those who may not have as much time to spend on tennis use the classic forehand? I think most Juniors are taught the WW method these days by tennis coaches.

[@craigmclauchlan9155]

Also, I’ve been told by a great coach from the Netherlands that too much emphasis on the elbows out position is not ideal. For example, a boxer who wants to pack a heavy punch will start from elbows in close to body and drive out - similar to someone who wants to drive forward to hit a heavy forehand. Do you understand what I mean? Thoughts on this point? Also elbow starting out is not a relaxed position for the arms and prevent smoothness of movement. Interested in your comments.

[@mrjohnsonfong]

Great class! Thank u.

[@dennisthegreek5336]

At 15:58 you show a wrong contact with the face of the racket showing up to the sky. The reason you do this wrong is actually NOT the preparation, but inefficient wrist lag. If you lag your wrist properly you will hit the ball with the racket head facing the correct way. Watch Tsitsipas, Rublev for example in slow motion. And by the way, Federer starts his swing with the strings actually showing to the ground, despite his swing. Grip does play a role definitely though, but wrist lag combined with shoulder joint rotation helps you make contact with the racket facing the correct way.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks so much for your comment!!! 😊

[@dennisthegreek5336]

@@2MinuteTennis You're welcome! I also didn't notice Brian Dabul himself NOT making a racket swing initiation with the strings pointing down. I personally find it more difficult to produce spin that way (like Federer does), but easier using a more low-to-high swing path (as you perfectly explain in this video) and also the windshield wiper motion at contact.

[@marcorenmarquez645]

Hey coach! How about the wiper finish in contrast to the over the shpulder finish? Isn't it an indicator of the modern forehand. I think it's part of the kinetic chain as the say. Thanks

[@craigmclauchlan9155]

Isn’t whether the strings are facing down in “Pat the dog” dependant on the grip a person is using? For example, is it still essential that someone using an eastern forehand grip is still in “Pat the dog” position?

[@2MinuteTennis]

Yes closing the racket face is essential no matter which grip you use. The strings pointing down (Pat the dog) needs to happen so that you can swing low to high brushing up the back of the ball in contact. Without closing the racket face prior to hitting your racket will be wide open at contact. Closing the face needs to happen on every topspin Forehand you had

[@craigmclauchlan9155]

@@2MinuteTennis thank you for your reply. I disagree with your point that if the racquet isn’t on edge at the back - that the strings will be open at contact. My strings will only be open if I open my palm at contact.....perhaps because I mistimed my ideal contact point.... but not because my racquet wasn’t on edge at the back.... I feel this is a bit misleading.... no offence meant.... I’m just challenging your comment....and hoping you can further clarify

[@2MinuteTennis]

@@craigmclauchlan9155 when the racket is on edge in the back it’ll be open at contact. When it’s closed in the back it’ll be square at contact.

[@craigmclauchlan9155]

@@2MinuteTennis I really like your work but that’s just not true!

[@jerome_morrow]

As with Craig, I will agree to disagree. Del Potro is an example of a pro with an eastern grip that does not routinely hood the face on the racquet drop. Neither do Edberg or JMac, though they use a continental grip. Hooding the face is not necessary to prevent the face opening excessively on the forward swing, though it does help especially with the modem swing where there is much more forearm supination-pronation. Hooding the face on racquet drop became a normal thing as grips drifted from continental/eastern to semi or full western over time, as topspin became more important. In the 70s and 80s, hooding the face was not routinely done and no pro taught this. Most players kept the racquet on-edge since it was regarded as an ideal that the face is square to the swing path to minimise mishits with the small head wooden racquets of the time (also advantageous with the less predictable bounces on fast grass). Even the relatively heavy topspin forehands of that era (eg: Guy Forget) kept the face on-edge with their eastern grips. You’re probably too young to have this perspective. No disrespect intended. 😉

[@the1tfactor]

Hi Ryan, thanks as always for the great work. Would you say that the swing path with the extension and high finish is more appropriate for near or behind baseline strokes, whereas a service line approach shot might finish more pocket-to-pocket?

[@johantheswede123]

A bit off topic... What’s your view on having different tension in the mains vs the crosses?

[@vojtechslezinger4602]

This isn't old school or classic forehand but modern forehand

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks for the comment!!!

[@fernandorolandelli4800]

@@2MinuteTennis Hallo, Ryan. I would also have thought that a "classic forehand" was a bit more straight hit without any topspin, keeping the ball trajectory tense against the top of the net. A comparison to what is considered "modern" would have been enlightening. Anyway the video shows great topspin forehands! Regards

[@billhill7802]

Can you produce classic forehand with semi western grip?

[@2MinuteTennis]

Absolutely. I use a semi western. It’s a great grip for the classic Ferris wheel swing style. Thanks for the question and have a great day!!!

[@jerome_morrow]

Ivan Lendl and Boris Becker (though the latter was more an extreme Eastern grip).

[@hiagotb]

Great video! Thanks!

[@nabeenhussain524]

Coach, I’ve found coaches vary on WHEN to close the racquet. Some have it at the take back others later. What’s best for the beginner?

[@2MinuteTennis]

As the racket falls in the back. Simple and easy. 👍

[@LarzB]

@@2MinuteTennis wrong. If you look at al the pros, there are a lot of variations, the best variation is the one that feels the most natural to you personally. All pro hits, wether forehand or backhand, have certain similarities that make them pro, but also have variations just because nobody is the same and everyone have their own preferences on what feels good. If you compare wravinka and Federer one handed backhand, certain things are the same, but there are also huge differences. I tried both and what wravinka does feels more natural to me personally. See what movement makes it natural for you to have the face closed to the ground before the forward movement

[@franklu9287]

@@LarzB I'm going to have to disagree with you here from a coaching standpoint. The question was "what's best for the beginner?" and in developing the forehand and feel from the beginning, I believe that early preparation will allow a beginner to make better contact and learn a better groundstroke. Once the player progresses to intermediate or advanced stages, then the timing can be whatever "feels comfortable".

[@LarzB]

@@franklu9287 you and i don't disagree, i am totally in favor of early preparation, and not only for beginners. And i also agree that with a beginner you have to start with the most common technique as they haven't automated anything yet. In their case you have to guide them to a good first automation of the stroke and build it from there.

[@lanebrain55]

Your videos are helping me

[@wladmanzi007]

Great video but in my opinion the difference between Classic Forehand and Modern Forehand here is not clear... Zverev should be modern forehand. So which type of Forehand are you teaching most of the time in your great videos ? The Old School one ?

[@matyverona9407]

No, the modern forehand....some people usually says he teaches the "old school FH", so tha title was a bait

[@rucas10]

As always anothet great video !

[@Aaswing]

To me, what constitutes a modern (ATP) v classic forehand is the shoulder position at the beginning of a forward swing. If the shoulder is externally rotated like Brian as well as most female players, it’s a classic forehand. If it’s still internally rotated like Sasha’s, then it’s a modern ATP forehand. So in my opinion, only Brian (left pic) has the classic forehand.

[@arunjetli3770]

Young man it also depends on whether you are hitting on the rise or drop. Staying down longer on the rising ball is almost mandatiry

[@weyman4317]

I thought 2 minute tennis was about a 2 minute lesson? - I have a short span of attention!- Very interesting lesson.

[@CustCareRep]

So focused, so confident, that he can teach in his socks. Cool. :-P

[@rishiabraham5215]

Good stuff!!👍

[@megamind9175]

Looks like a modern forehand to me? Mind sharing a player with a non-old school forehand?

[@Findyourgame]

From behind the baseline, how much spin (rpm) does it take to actually add behavior to the ball ie. Make it drop, assuming a trajectory of 7' at the net and average rec ball speed of 50mph?

[@kavarasings9813]

100% love this video

[@kingarthurusatenniscoach1415]

Well said,,, Too many dont have the basics,,, Vic Braden I teach his methods

[@jonschulte8046]

Not to take away the tips provided in this video but that lesson does not appear to demonstrate the old school forehand. Extended swing paths and what appeared to a semi-western grip are not my recollection of old school tennis.

[@matyverona9407]

it's a modern FH

[@hotdog14709]

Great stuff but I am uncomfortable with the footwork. When you describe the left foot step forward, I tend to already have spread my legs and therefore there is no step forward. In your practice with topspinPro, you do not take a step forward. Need your instruction on footwork and I suppose loading on the trailing foot.

[@twinwankel]

Pat the dog was invented by Fed. In fact, he invented the modern forehand in 2005. What Macci teaches is exactly Fed's forehand. To me, Brian's forehand is old school in that he drops his racket on edge and he doesn't have as much snap or lag as Sasha. He's also using a lot of energy hitting his ball. You can tell looking at his puffy face. Sasha is a modern forehand and a lot more relaxed.

[@Dmitry.L]

It's amazing, but what about 2 minutes? :)?

[@louisjwiese5515]

You've got good quality content

[@peppio]

really great video...

[@arrzhong]

exactly right. I tried to copy Federer's forehand, but failed. It looks like it, but i know it is not. My forehand in Federer style is of no power because i have to strike gently, otherwise the ball will go outside because i cannot control the ball.

[@markhartley5708]

Brush up on the ball more, creating more spin, which will help the ball to come back down after you lift it up. This is best way to be able to hit ball with more force but still control it. In other words get more topspin. Watch Ryan’s video on hitting topspin.

[@rbraxley]

Glad you put "old school" in quotes, because this is not an old school forehand. That is, it's not the forehead we hit with a wooden racket. To hit that old school forehand you took the racket back, straight back, and hit on a fairly horizontal plane and followed through to the target. That was a linear stroke, not a rotational one, and the racket face never faced the ground. The stroke you're showing may not be the ultra modern stroke, but it ain't old school either. Neither of your examples are using a continental grip, which was the basis of the old school forehand. Take my word, I'm old enough to be old school.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks for the comment. When I teach forehands here on YT people call it “old school” and criticize me for it. That’s why I put it in quotes. I know I’m not showing Bill Tilden technique but rather Vic Braden-like old School technique. Thanks again. 👍

[@rbraxley]

@@2MinuteTennis Yup, that's me, still using that Bill Tilden technique. (But I didn't know they guy--thankfully.)

[@paddlepower888]

Exactly my sentiment! I learned "preschool" (or "prehistoric") forehand technique in the '70s; my topspin was about zero! But! Thanks to Ryan and my Topspin Pro, spin is on the menu!

[@rbraxley]

@@paddlepower888 Actually, I'm not trying to change, since I've never suffered tennis elbow. At this stage of my life it's more important to avoid the pain than to have a killer forehand. My current stroke does well enough for my level of recreational play.

[@paddlepower888]

@@rbraxley I watched this a year ago? Wow. I think I've made some progress. I'm at the stage where I know how to hit the ball, but I have to think about it--if I don't think about my technique, I hit balls flatter. Three years after picking up tennis again, I still call myself a 65 year old beginner. Happy New Year and Happy Hitting!

[@kingarthurusatenniscoach1415]

Well taught young man The Elbow important

[@sebastiansantos5561]

but Sacha is not old school!! his technique is different than bryan he tap the dog with a high swing., Bryan goes with his raquet head 6 o clock, Sacha goes not more than 5:30

[@zyrahjoycebago7030]

thats not Sasha, he is Alexander the younger of the Zverev brothers

[@2MinuteTennis]

That is Sasha. You’re thinking of mischa. Sasha is a nickname of Alexander. 👍 Mischa is the older brother.

[@jerome_morrow]

He prefers the Sasha moniker, too. His branding uses an “S” rather than “A”.

[@cecagjacobkhaob6443]

Old school forehand is not about how you swing back the racket that high. It’s about the position of your hand holding the racket. Your saying flat is less control, and top spin is more control also untrue.. the more top spin (semi-western grip) is less power and losing control for you’re only making the ball spin. am no profesional trainer or instructor, but i inspired and teaches them, my nephews and niece (children),my cousin and few friends p,aying te nis. They learn hitting forehand rally by teaching them no more than 3 min in its session especially the 3 year old. By hitting 3 times corecctly we stop and continue next day. Teaching tennis is not only about how you swing your racket high-low-high first but how to hold the racket (forehand, backhand, volley, serve, overhead). Most of old school forehand is by holding the racket facing over 90 degress, or twist the racket a bit like holding eastern grip, your index knuckle is on the 2nd bable of the grip. They hit the ball with no full back swing like what you are showing and with the follow through like your doing the swosh or logo of the nike. Most of school player holds the racket with just one grip, they dont do much change grip position like federer and nadal. They hit the ball, do the return with just one grip. They varries the return by changing their stroke defending on the ball coming from their opponent to make a good and control return.

[@ramonl6047]

The way I see it is the pros placed their elbows farther from their bodies like Ivan Lendl (and Sampras, he photocopied Lendl's). Other people see it as ATP forehand vs WTA. This so called next gen forehand is actually conceived in the 70's by Ivan Lendl. If I would rip a page from Shaq, Kyrgios forehand is just a hiphop version of Lendl's forehand. If we would judge forehands by the elbows, it would look like Borg vs Lendl, not WTA vs ATP nor Classic vs Modern. Most ATP players like in our example, Zverev have their elbows away from their bodies, that's the reason their racquets sit higher than their heads. I suspect that this is the case is because of Kafelnikov's forehand. He raises his elbows purposely, kind of cheating. It is just Lendl and Sampras do it smoothly, like drawing a Katana to get the racquet high, to the level of their heads. But Lendl and Kafelnikov both have the same forehand. If you take a look at the next gen players who have next gen forehands, their elbows are away from their bodies. For example, Theim has a weird preparation, but if I group him, he would belong to Lendl type of forehand because the reason he holds his racquet that way is to get his elbow away from this body. Agassi? He would be in Lendl's group. Bryan actually has an Agassi's forehand.

[@dxanthos76]

Modern or Classic ??The most important for the forehand it's to hit the ball front of the body!!!

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

If the forehand was good enough for Pete Sampras or Ivan Lendl it is good enough for me!

[@thomasmcnamara3316]

Channel should be called 23 min tennis 🤣🤣

[@2MinuteTennis]

Haha I know right?!?!

[@evanc.2382]

Yes. It does make a lot of sense. Just watch old school tennis (women's too) and the recreational (higher level) can compare to the speed and style of 70s and 80s. It cannot compare to today's tennis. By trying to copy old style, we are in good shape for sure. If we are a bit fitter, maybe experiment with something else...maybe.

[@claudioprado389]

But Brian that is not an "old school" forehand, that is a very common FH on pro tennis players tour.

[@2MinuteTennis]

You’re right. But I get a lot of comments about how I teach “old school” technique. So I used that to show how I actually teach what the pros do. Thanks for the comment!!

[@marcgabor9690]

@@2MinuteTennis 🤔

[@LarzB]

agree, old school is that you have the strings to the side in stead of down and you end in front pointing in the direction of the ball trajectory and the continental grip. This is far from an old school technique. With the pro's you do see differences on how high they prepare and how long or short their swing is. Look at Kyrgios, he generally prepares lower and has a shorter swing but with huge whip effect for massive forehands.

[@2MinuteTennis]

@@LarzB I know. I was responding to countless comments across different platforms who said my technique is old school and I need to teach modern/next gen forehands with windshield wiper technique.

[@dennisthegreek5336]

It sounds funny to characterize as "old school" the big loop modern forehands, such as DelPotro's, Robredo's, Zverev's (and many more) that have nothing to do with really old school forehands, such as McEnroe, Lendl, Becker, Sampras. I think you should rename the video as big loop forehands, because "old school", even in brackets, is actually quite misleading.

[@matyverona9407]

He's teaching modern FH...the title is just a bait

[@manmy016]

Agassi forehand is the modern forehand!! It’s not an old school classic ! He drops the racquet on the face , the flip of the head of the racquet is what creates racquet speed. It’s backed up by physics

[@pedroV2003]

Nothing about this swing looks 'old school' to me. I guess I am older than I thought. I don't play anymore and I was only ever a casual player but all the looping IMO just gives the casual player more opportunities to screw something up. To me old school means simplicity of motion. Closed stance, straight back and slightly upwards on the ball. I am clearly out of touch but if these two are hitting 'old school' I would like an example of the modern forehand because these all look like modern swings to me. Please note I am not being critical, I simply do not understand how this is old school.

[@omarpagan5057]

Bjorn Borg was the first with that forehand...

[@2MinuteTennis]

He had a great forehand!!

[@luiseduardogonzalez9782]

Is that a JR racket

[@ramongarciano569]

2 min ?? its 23 min !!

[@fredyicao9175]

Old school forehand doesn't apply anymore this time compared to the modern forehand , Full Western forehand.

[@2MinuteTennis]

What % of players who watch my videos have a full western grip?

[@artemborodkin]

2 min better than 22 imho )

[@eddieteabagify]

2min tennis in 23 minutes! I watched at 150% speed and it is still too long. Please get to the point.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Haha thanks Eddie. Have a great day!!

[@Dasato123]

Today’s unabashed Pro worship has probably done as much to harm beginners as all the cases of tennis elbow combined. Technique is important but if Nick Kyrgios was 5’4 instead of 6’4 nobody would be worshiping his forehand. A great deal of what your seeing today is a combination of changes in, yes technique, but racket and string technology and longer anatomical levers (longer arms and legs) probably play a bigger part in the changes between today’s and yesteryears pros.

[@NamesAreRandom]

For non pro players (like me) looking at Sasha I think the motion is too big - sure if you are being hit nice easy balls, but in a match when the ball gets blasted at you there's no time. You can tell it even effects Sasha as he is famous for sitting 4m behind the baseline perhaps to give him time for that huge wind up. Better a shorter motion with 90% of the power that takes 2/3 the time.

[@andyford6650]

Bait and switch title. Yes you succeed since I clicked and watched the video. Just in case you are that ignorant and does not know... What you demonstrate here is what most refer to as "modern forehand", the biggest reference of it being Federer. No-One is calling Sasha old school. Old school forehand is what Jimmy Connors does.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey thanks for the comment. So when I say “old school” to all the negative comments I get when I teach the forehand. Every forehand video I do I get somebody who says what I’m teaching is “old school” and that players don’t swing like Ferris wheels anymore. So I used “old school” to show that what I’ve been teaching this whole time in my videos is what the pros do. Obviously McEnroe, Connors, ashes, nastase, etc. have very classic old school technique. I get that. But I was responding to critics who said what I was teaching was wrong and “old school”. Bait and switch? No. Glad you watched? Yes. 👍

[@petertrahan9785]

LOL. "Old school" forehands are flat. See McEnroe. High low high is modern, not old school. I hate this high low high crap for recreational players. A much more difficult execution. The recreational player would do well to swing like McEnroe, which ain't bad folks. If McEnroe isn't good enough for you weekend warriors, keep dreaming. I struggled for a long time trying to hit up at the ball on my forehand and it was a disaster. Once I started hitting with a true "old school" (flat) swing like McEnroe, I immediately began to dominate at my level. Sometimes I see higher level players with the high low high loop putting tons of topspin and I think, wow, that's how I should swing. And then I try to emulate that and it is just a disaster. It is more complex mechanics that requires more precision. If I playeed every day, if I played competitively and needed marginal aggressive edges against my opponents then I would pursue these more advanced techniques. But until I am competing at the 5.0 level, I will stick to the simpler, more consistent, true "old school" (flat) swing. The right swing for the recreational player and the ATP pro are not the same. Swinging like John McEnroe ain't the end of the world, folks. LOL

[@jaylinagustin165]

2:32 I like that😍💋 💝💖❤️

[@nateh6325]

Same Brian has a nice forehand

[@matyverona9407]

Your videos are great but long....very repetitives ...the same actions are repeated many times

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey thanks for the support. I appreciate the feedback!!!

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

Repetition is the mother of teaching.

[@brandonhill72]

This is a horrible video. He should have explained how the grip on tennis racket works where your fingers place on the facets explained the one-handed backhand.

[@rattata30]

Agassi best forehand...I’m not watching

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks so much Roberto!!

[@Emolga6274]

U should be arrested for telling ur students u Wana smell their arm pits

[@leokovacic707]

And... Unsubscribe..

[@2MinuteTennis]

Haha no problem. 👍🎾😊

[@leokovacic707]

@@2MinuteTennis your serve videos are golden thaugh, can't wait to get myself a birthday hat and a full ball basket for my birthday in a couple of days🎉🎉🎉👌

[@2MinuteTennis]

@@leokovacic707 awesome. Glad to hear. And remember, I make my videos for lower level players who are looking to improve. Not for high level players who live their forehands. 🎾👍😊

[@leokovacic707]

@@2MinuteTennis hahahah yea most high level players do😅, I was just abut to comment that I support you in teaching that way, thaugh I don't like really like the sight of it 😂, that slap liquid whip forehand tecquniqe sure isn't is for ordinary mortals being so hard to master ,but most tennis courts and balls are way too fast anyway, and I think this is the biggest problem in tennis, speeds have started to increase again and the evolution of tennis and its tecquniqes has been retarded, as even pro players are resorting to old the school ways. I think pro courts need to be slower than ever, than we would get a true next Gen that could even surpass the big 3 in regards to skill and tecquniqe., because this is the natural progression of the sport, to slower conditions thus forcing more efficient power generation meaning better skill and tecquniqes

[@leokovacic707]

To sum it up on fast courts/balls even poor tecquniqe will do, but a great tecquniqe could just overdo.so sometimes there is no school like the old school.

[@ellenchandler3750]

I don't see this as old school. When I learned we were taught to drop the racket head down immediately behind us...not to do a big loop and pat the dog. pointing the racket face towards the ground is a new school technique. The title of this KZbin video talks about old-school technique and why it is good. I'm almost done with the video and I don't see what I expected. I am working on hitting my forehand in a new school way and that is the way that this guy is showing it. Not the old-school way. The only difference I see is that this guy turns sideways away from the net. If I have a right eye that's dominant I don't really want to turn away from the net. But that is my old-school style.