Old School RuneScape Has A Terrorism Problem

[@FSAPOJake]

RoT has been a problem since 2006. I remember them cheating and harassing people all the way back then when I was in middle school.

[@FlyingPanda150]

so they are probably in their 40th, lmao

[@thePyiott]

@@FlyingPanda150 thats so sad ahahaha

[@shinji1264]

They were not a factor back then... They were bullied by all the other clans back in the day.

[@innorthtex]

Shinji noo.. they were pretty dang big back then too lol. Not up to the par of like DI etc. but still big, and a nuisance.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

@@shinji1264no they definitely were still a huge problem. Them getting shit on all day every day is why them doxxing, intimidation, pranks, swatting and threats have been a weekly thing for them since way back in the day.

[@andrew30133]

you say this is just the typical gamer gangster shit, BUT this was a monitored tournament. imagine a televised MMA fight and one of the fighters pulls out a knife and straight up cheats and the referee does nothing to stop it.

[@coffee8814]

well think mafia, dork

[@atsy-de3rj]

there is no way you are comparing this to an mma fight holy shit lol

[@B.V.Luminous]

None of the activity described in this post is 'normal gamer shit'... Normal people do not behave like this.

[@metagen77]

@@atsy-de3rj is that supposed to be an argument? there is north koreans collecting currency in osrs

[@WeisheiTM]

@@atsy-de3rj How the fuck are you surprised by that?

[@pizanatdotorg]

Jagex pretty much has ZERO support for their customers

[@LtheOriginal]

I mean, if you actively know there's zero support, but you choose to still be a customer then that's on you. Shouldn't be this way, but it's a sad reality

[@1Grainer1]

@@bloodsports94 runescape fan spotted, lol

[@newera478]

To be honest Jagex has more support for their customers than Facebook has for its users.

[@Elvewizzy.]

@@bloodsports94 They do have some support people working there. but the problem is that many of those 3 people are absolutely clueless and incompetent. Locking people out of quest completions due to a bug, to addressing a different scenario than what the actual case was, or by returning millions and millions of battlestaffs to a player who didnt have anywhere near that amount. But the biggest problem is that those 3 people are impossible to reach. You have to get through like 11 sub menu's and options to be able to get a contact option, and then just Prayge you reach a human.

[@Mattyisokay]

Jagex has much more supporter than Rockstar games lmao…and both are terrible

[@lvl-3bot]

Last time Asmon reacted to osrs drama Jagex stepped up i hope they see this again.

[@inoox]

3 hours ago they announced theyve perma banned 140 accounts and the investigation is still ongoing before they can sufficiently determine the winners.

[@Noobimummo]

They just announced that they’ve permenantly banned 140 accounts that correlated to this case

[@charlesbrown4483]

@@Noobimummo Yeah but that’s 100% meaningless, it was 140 lvl 3 bot accounts that they probably weren’t ever gonna use after DMM anyways lol

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@charlesbrown4483 that's a wild assumption though, you don't know what accounts they banned bro

[@charlesbrown4483]

@@_Professor_Oak You're not a 07 player bro you just outed yourself lol

[@ItsMyPixel]

To explain more context: Old school RuneScape has a game mode called deadman mode where only certain areas of the game are safe and the rest is pvp and on death you lose 80% of your banks most valuable items and all items you currently have equipped or in your inventory. This specific deadman was during a tournament held for two weeks where the top 2000 players from each leveled bracket would compete for a prize during the final hour in a last man standing competition. Previous deadman mode finals have been held in multi combat areas where it would be up to the best clan to win so the average players who didn't have big clans wanted a more fair tournament for themselves to actually have a chance at the prize money. When jagex implemented single combat for one of the deadman finals, ROT d dosed the event and made it unplayable for most accounts during that final and once your account is killed in the final it is permanently locked and disqualified from further competing. This basically ruined the single combat final and it's believed ROT was behind it because of how nefarious they've been in past events, for instance knowing the final area of multi for the first deadman tournament because of a jagex moderator they had in their clan. They are not a single combat clan they only take multi fights so them sabotaging a single way pvp event is par for the course. The biggest thing that originally killed deadman mode when it came out as a permanent game mode was account muling where you had an account who never left a safe zone keep all of your valuable items in their banks so you never risked losing any of it to other players. While I'm not sure if it's officially a rule, jagex does discourage the use of mules in the game mode because of it being unfair to other players not muling and the entire point of the game mode is to risk your bank otherwise it's just the base game with boosted drop rates and exp rates

[@Sargaxiist2022]

Muling is officially bannable according to jagex as of the last dmm

[@ItsTheGhettoFRESH]

@@Sargaxiist2022 apparently not.

[@Sargaxiist2022]

@@ItsTheGhettoFRESH right? Why even make rules if you don't enforce them

[@AlrightThere]

DMM always ends poorly and always ends up being a shit show. Whatever the community or Jagex does it will always be ruined by clans. I think their most successful DMM was Allstars by far and that’s just a small group of people

[@chrisfartlett]

TL;dr... So what happened? Somebody able to give it to me straight?

[@ThatCheekyWalrus]

RoT has done this literally EVERY Deadman. It's time to either host DMM on a separate server that's more secure or take away the cash prize and make it about getting cosmetics turning it into the PvP counterpart to Leagues.

[@masansr]

I think they only started DDOSing the tournaments to win with like the 3rd one (first was won by a guy tick eating in fog iirc).

[@swishswashsmack]

They don't care about a few thousand dollars lol

[@qoki2244]

@@masansrWoox the goat

[@Snowman7.Z]

@@masansr true and the second time they scouted around and arrived at Alkard before everyone else then locked down the portal... which having a portal was very dumb.

[@sebastianleister355]

​@@masansrThey didn't gave woox the win.

[@Slenderirl]

Kick is a burner phone 😂

[@Javaris_Jamar]

lotta brothas ova there on kick cuh

[@MatadorTheGreat]

@@Javaris_Jamar cmonBruh

[@jadetrentrichards255]

ENGLISH. DO YOU SPEAK IT?

[@yaboyunicorn]

​@@MatadorTheGreat u r tweaking

[@AugustusLook-l2s]

Burner phone where? 😂 Good luck kids.

[@kavinh10]

I don't even play rs anymore but ROT got notorious because they had an insider who was a jagex employee de-dossing and hacking accounts for them using his employee status on top of framing his coworkers for it.

[@Sunless1337]

Yup, Mod Jed.

[@xjustinjx]

also why DMM changed. Jed would leak DMM ending locations when it was more BR style. then it went to DMM solos, but ROT would ddos the servers. Now they do 5 brackets, everyone knows the ending location, and ROT is botting rag accounts and impersonating others.

[@jargles]

An ex mod for jagex "mod Jed" was apart of RoT before he got caught scamming and fled

[@channingtaintum]

Not just “scamming,” but stealing gp and items from players banks, leaking IP addresses of streamers so they could be DDoS’d, and leaking the final area in DMM’s deadly “fog of war” mechanic to RoT. He literally fled the country after he was caught and fired.

[@Drakoleech]

Nice rhyme.

[@Budabaii]

He leaked large databases of peoples account information to ROT, mainly those with large amounts of wealth. ROT would hack these accounts, clean out the wealth, sell it on the black market, and give Mod Jed a cut of the profits. Dude was eventually found out and promptly fled the fucking country to try to avoid legal prosecution. The Mod Jed story is one of the wildest mmorpg conspiracies I’ve ever seen go down. It was crazy times… There was daily Reddit posts from wealthy players claiming to have been hacked, and they were always dragged by commenters saying that they were at fault due to their own poor account security decisions. They were eventually vindicated when the truth came out. I’m pretty sure this was one of the very few instances of Jagex actually restoring items lost due to account breaches.

[@dissonantchaos7724]

I member

[@jake20479]

YUP!! i remember that as well. that was a wild time lol

[@polboiiotto8830]

Huge day for bald content creation

[@DisappointedSon0813]

@Joseph14144 Reporting this as well.

[@braindead8899]

looooool you got me

[@simonsei1262]

Even the villain was bald

[@chrisfartlett]

😂😂😂

[@archcrises]

afufufu

[@emicore675]

The issue with having a mule in dmm is that it protects ALL of their items. They have an alt account, put all important gear on that account, then never leave the safe zone. When you die in DMM you lose the 10 most expensive item slots you had along with what was on you, so when they die on their main accounts people only get 500k instead of 50m. It's been against the rules for the past few tournaments.

[@michaelbreaux-tj6mx]

Just because you have 1 account that gathers items for the cc to pass it to other cc members doesn't mean it was a mule. Think of it like this if I'm donating items to a cc i'm in and they have one account to gather all the items (which makes perfect sense), it's not muling. Muling = with the intention of trading to another account so you can avoid losing the item on death. The intent is to give the items to other cc members. Which is exactly what oda's cc did btw (I was part of the cc the entire dmm.)

[@ludwigvanhofer5541]

@@michaelbreaux-tj6mx Yes and this account never leaves the safe zone which means you will never lose your stuff. That is muling and also a pussy way to play the game mode

[@emicore675]

@michaelbreaux-tj6mx Brother you just described exactly what they did. They put 60+ sets of gear on one account and kept it in the safe zone. It doesn't matter if you're doing it to centralize gear for a clan or to just save your gear, muling is muling. You're telling me that clan account left the safe zone and played normally? I highly doubt it

[@michaelbreaux-tj6mx]

@@emicore675 its exactly what we did in oda's cc. It's not like you get the gear back that you give, it goes to the cc members that couldn't play as much as we could for dmm. It wasn't to "protect the items" it was to pass out items to other members.

[@dave3429]

@@michaelbreaux-tj6mxdifference is oda goes out and fights on main

[@ez6791]

Imagine being an adult man and living you life like one of those people. Insane

[@TheCraydee]

As an adult man I can say it looks pretty fun and would give you a nice sense of community and belonging. Isn’t that what we all want at the end of the day?

[@deancorrigan1548]

Seems great tbf I'd love to do it again but sadly I have responsibilities.

[@xxJacket]

I’m 27 and the majority of adult men I’ve encountered in this life have the mentality of children. So nothing like this surprises me from men of this day n age. Good luck to all!

[@paulw5039]

@@TheCraydee Not all of us. I'm perfectly fine not belonging to a community like this. But then I'm not a 'joiner' and am happy doing my own thing.

[@cassarin0]

​@TheCraydee last time I checked it's pretty corny wanting to be an internet gangster to the point you try to ruin someone's real life

[@Rubyredacted]

Reign of terror are legit the worst people you find in subreddits they have committed hundreds of actual crimes and one of the reasons I take long breaks from that game

[@music79075]

Well at least they are aptly named... What's their list of crimes?

[@AdStellae-]

@@music79075 Doxxing, DDoS attacks, libel/slander and threats of assault and murder at the very least.

[@JohnDoe-yq9rt]

how do they affect you personally?

[@SDREHXC]

@@JohnDoe-yq9rtbro is acting like they ran up on his house to steal his party hat or something

[@Irishslag]

@@SDREHXC LOOOL

[@annekedebruyn7797]

I am not into RS clans and all. But for what I am seeing as an outsider is that everyone seems to hate rot except rot.

[@FSAPOJake]

Pretty much. It's been that way for almost 20 years.

[@Hobbyblasphemist]

Precisely right. They are pretty much outside of the osrs community at large, which is why when it turned out a jagex employee was a member back in the day and abused his insider status for the clan, it was such a big (in RuneScape terms!) deal.

[@MattFCC]

You're exactly right lmao. Hell even some of their own members don't like RoT, but yeah pretty much everyone does not like them one bit

[@bockist]

Manchester United of OSRS

[@Hobbyblasphemist]

@@bockist I think it’s fair to say the biggest haters of any football club are its own supporters

[@phenomgaming3245]

Asmon’s intuition is extremely on point. Jagex does the absolute bare minimum on everything until theyre forced to respond. Asmon covering this is good because itll bring attention to all the issues

[@blondie7240]

I think Jagex does a good job

[@austiniscoolduh]

if you havent already, watch a video about Mod Jed in osrs. He was a RoT member and abused his staff position to steal thousands of dollars and get IP's of enemy clans, all for RoT. There's probably a few good videos out there.

[@KentRoads]

not allowed to mule in DMM tourny

[@KentRoads]

@Joseph14144 you got put down then?

[@TheBubbRubb]

@Joseph14144easy report kid

[@chrisfartlett]

Yeah okay we all know this why is it a big deal ? Did they win ? Did they not get banned still or something I mean they got caught should be just auto DQ what's the problem ?

[@KentRoads]

@@chrisfartlett they won apparently

[@jigbuuls2322]

@@chrisfartlett why make this comment if you are wrong? They won and you could’ve known that from just listening to the video.

[@joncam-ne9tl]

Jagex Better take this Shit seriously before it actually arrives at their gates and have a REAL IRL issue on their hands!

[@inoox]

3 hours ago they announced theyve perma banned 140 accounts and the investigation is still ongoing before they can sufficiently determine the winners.

[@garrettbar2212]

kekerooni

[@Gymthingz]

It’s not the games fault these people do what they do.

[@batman6198]

​@@Gymthingz it is if they are aware people are committing crimes using their game and refuse to ban them

[@PrivateSy4z]

@@Gymthingz If jagex knows about it and does nothing, you could argue that they are part of the issue and they could actually get in legal trouble if someone steps over the line. The botting isn't going to be a legal issue but the defamation, doxxing or harrassment definitely can be depending on the severity.

[@rarez7193]

Surely this doesn't surprise anyone at this stage... they've been doing this for over 15-years, doxing, dosing etc and Jagex won't do anything. They literally had a staff member inside of RoT for years lmfao..

[@kingbeard_]

Jagex customer service has always been abysmal.

[@MikeOhlTV]

Crazy title while having Oda in the thumbnail 😂😂💀

[@josesanmiguel5193]

L0000000000000L

[@ignatiushazzard]

Afufufufu

[@NomeAlone]

Thought the same thing..although, it’s great marketing lol

[@RIDDIM_GOBLIN]

Omg I thought this and didn’t wanna say anything but god damn it made me click on it 😂

[@RocketPropelledMexican]

RoT descended from nMe, which was the clan that broke the PvP community culture. Before, PvP clans generally adhered to an "honor" code around 2004, nME came into being as the first "No Honor" clan. They introduced a lot of toxic practices, like DDoSing to get an advantage, spying, doxxing etc.

[@Lord_Runes]

This is an actual problem and has been forever. Can't believe something hasn't been done in literally 2 decades.

[@mrslushydaminator4974]

I am a rsps host and i can admit there are groups that can take me offline destroy the game with nothing i can do it's java code bro these fkers can do anything and i bet jagex knows it

[@Lord_Runes]

@@mrslushydaminator4974 there is 100% more things that Jagex can do, don't act like there isn't. Even just a presence of Mods in the game can deter cheating. When's the last time you've seen a JMod online in the game? I've played for 22 years and I have literally not seen one since the fally massacre. There is more than just a presence obviously aswell, they are not managing the game. It's as simple as that. They could do more.

[@0100-d8m]

@@mrslushydaminator4974 Java isn't actually easier to DoS than another language. At most, the Java client makes botting a bit easier.

[@Fuhness_]

The ironic part of this is Oda’s “when it registers” meme from years ago was in response to RoT ddosing that tournament. Time is a circle lmao

[@pistolPablo]

This is true and as it has been a case in pretty much every DMM having some sort of DDOS attacks or other issues due to RoT,.

[@Phill_mcCrackin]

Jagex innactivity is strategic, they dont have staff or money to deal with any issues like this, hell after 25 years and over 10 years of oldschool there is no customer support and only way jagex devs answers your ticket or email is only if it does something to do with billing ,credit information or membership just to clarify im not trying to throw devs under the bus but the shady shitty higherups and shareholders who are purposefully underfunding oldschool

[@ufukakkoyun6969]

Sue Jagex so, they are forced to take action once of their pahtetic life of a Company. Imagen they do full on illegal shit and Jagex cant do shit because they lack proffessional Lead.

[@useraiaj234mp]

Strategic? They don't care. They actively cover things up and don't take accountability

[@b1O15]

Yes the mules are actually a problem with deadman otherwise theyre just gold farm bots.

[@jackmeowmeowmeow2177]

as someone who will never touch DMM, it doesn't bother me that that much in my osrs grind, that hyper competitive bs is just annoying and not worth wasting my time on.

[@jamesray741]

I remember back in 2006-2007 when RoT was just a PJing no honor clan in the OG RuneScape.

[@smokercat]

Most osrs players dont really care about RoT usually because they're a pvp clan and focused on stream sniping content creators except in Deadman Mode where its more pronounced. So everytime DMM rolls around, they're back in the spotlight and then they go back to stream sniping

[@jackmeowmeowmeow2177]

exactly

[@patsol8013]

True. Unless you watch live streamers or play DMM, which only a small fraction of the player base does, you won’t even know who they are. Bots are a much bigger issue

[@MyNameIsSalo]

@@patsol8013 bots may be a bigger issue but the existence of clans like this make it so many players just don't want to put in the effort to touch anything pvp related. Wilderness, DMM, or anything else. It's just not something I care enough to deal with. Whereas bots are easy enough to avoid when most content that is botted can be shared to a degree or you can hop worlds, so they don't affect you at all. But I know if I want to try learn some pvp in one form or another, then clans like this exist and I may run into some bullshit. So it locks away a large portion of the game to players like myself, more so than bots do. Not saying that pvp should be family friendly, but you know all the dark illegal stuff that happens on runescape is one way or another tied to the pvp elements of the game. So I'd rather avoid that side of the game.

[@georgeweber9396]

RoT is definitely a problem, but the bigger issue is jagex letting them get away with it. RoT has been doing this for 6+ years and Jagex lets shit go for waaaaaaay too long because they are so afraid to take ANY action without the approval of at least 75% of the community

[@zacharylewis417]

God I feel old playing runescape still. Miss the 2006-2008 times. Was peak runescape for me.

[@vultrex1839]

I haven't played in a couple years, but I still keep up with the drama 😂. The fact that jagex hasn't banned these losers years ago just leaves a big stain on their reputation. They allow rot to cheat year after year

[@zacharylewis417]

@@vultrex1839 I honestly think they leave a good amount of cheater/bot accounts so they can keep the perception that their servers are filled lol. I'm honestly impressed Runescape hasn't died for how old it is. Who would of thought a browser based game could keep going in 2024.

[@Spammit-ye4vw]

@Joseph14144 ???

[@gg-mercenary7104]

Those where the years brother

[@user-eg1qw]

when it registers

[@erikwurgler]

Genuine, average Joe question: Why play a game / take part in such genuinely toxic behavior? If ROT destroys a game, that’s kind of on the devs for not stoping the behavior. No?

[@foodtom2160]

Because there is a cash incentive for winning? Why shouldn't people play a game that they have fun in? That'd be like the olympics knowingly allowing doping and not doing anything to level the playing field

[@strat5520]

And this is only 1 aspect of a largely single player online game. There are TONS of things to do in the game that have nothing to do with anything RoT affects. However, they are wrong and should be stopped regardless

[@icarus369]

This is partially a RoT problem but more largely a Jagex problem.

[@WalkWithMeCord]

Hacking through RuneScape been a thing for years man.

[@brandonsydney7544]

Gee really?

[@structuur5138]

@Joseph14144huh??

[@ShaggyRogers1]

It is, and Jagex refuses to report it to the FBI, even though they KNOW that their users are using their platform to associate to commit US federal and international crimes.

[@Pumpkinhead2400]

wow youre so wise and ahead of the curve bro

[@isaacjacobs4397]

AHK and DDOS made me stop pking

[@CricketDaKid]

Jagex is the babysitter we all wish we had. Out of sight, out of mind.

[@kyleparas4459]

RuneScape is one of the worst MMO's in terms of rule enforcement, allowing bot farms that pay membership while banning real players with no thorough appeal system.

[@cloutking8920]

Perma muting for saying words while bots promote RWT and boosting services. Imo jagex run the bots themselves.

[@Magmagan]

No it's not LOL Bots are indeed a pervasive problem but the studio slowly chips away at least. To be one of the worst they'd have to be turning a blind eye and silently encouraging bot use. The MMO is FAR from abandonware status.

[@zafer5491]

​@@Magmagan Yes it is the worst. Stop the copium little bro.

[@froggin-zp4nr]

Jagex is such a shit company. OSRS is a great game that's always been good in spite of Jagex rather than because of them

[@SootyPhoenix]

The question we should all ask Jagex is "are you in control of your own game?". Cuz it certainly doesn't seem like they are.

[@xp00ch]

The issue with muling in this tournament is that one of the main features of this game mode is when you die, you lose the most valuable items in your bank and not just what you're wearing. Having clan banks for players to constantly resupply from is entirely against the whole purpose. It should be regulated but like most issues, isn't.

[@xPlantpoTx]

Is that what they was doing...... Have you always been able to multi log in dmm?.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

"If there's screenshots of them cheating in a tournament, why don't they just get banned?" That's the Million Dollar question, isn't it..

[@TheDragonLegacy]

Some mods 100% are involved with RoT, rwt, and the botting. The whole trident and stella thing.

[@DisappointedSon0813]

@Joseph14144 Reported all your bot comments on this thread.

[@_Professor_Oak]

...and when you say "mods", for the people who don't play, mods refers to jagex employees.

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@DisappointedSon0813 Don't bother, YT care as much about bots as Jagex. That Joseph guy has been going rampant for months... 😂😂

[@Marketable-Sylver]

Please do a vid on the Taiga situation, she really needs support and she's being unfairly deplatformed because of stalkers, mass reporters, and other streamers supporting tumours

[@ArmIessIoveseat]

Yeah it’s the same stalker targeting shylily and threating many other creators

[@Zesuto3]

You misspelled rumors.

[@rhulkdiscipleofthewitness217]

What is the exact situation?

[@eclipse_kookoo5884]

@@ArmIessIoveseatbut they mostly target Taiga because he doesn’t have as large of an audience and is easier to target.

[@Zesuto3]

They really need to talk about her situation, no one deserves to have their career ruined because of a stalker spreading lies.

[@ArmIessIoveseat]

Hey asmon I know you probably won’t see this but regarding the situation with shylily being harassed by the stalker targeting several people could you please reach out to taiga he’s a smaller vtuber who’s been targeted and really has no hope due to being small also if anymore creators are targeted by this stalker/mass reporter please reach out to them as well.

[@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ]

@@ArmIessIoveseat I really hope he covers Taiga's situation. Hopefully he doesn't make it worse though.

[@IndigoTail]

I'm not sure if this is a good time to request but uh, Taiga's being hit with unfair treatments left and right, mass reported and harassed unjustly- itll be a lifesaver for her to make a video, or at least talk about it- just want to contribute something to help her situation, that's all

[@PhantomGamZ]

I know it's not good to ask this... but please cover the taiga situation asmongold. They are getting mass reported and harassed unjustly.

[@tav6459]

Muling is not ok on DMM because in DMM when you get killed you lose big part of your bank and equipment. Usually, muling is not a problem in OSRS, but in DMM and especially on a competition it gives them a big advantage not to lose end game gear when dying. And being perfectly equipped for the end fight. Some death in DMM might make you lose because you wont have time to regear.

[@Toasty_88]

RoT is a huge problem for the game and always has been. They even had a man working on the inside of Jagex at one point. Probably still do considering Jagex pretends they don't exist and refuse to do anything.

[@robaldrich7399]

These bots are becoming too much. KZbin wants to make changes effecting people like Hickock45, but this loser in the comments is perfectly fine right?

[@AngryAlfonse]

Remember: they have no struggles with building complex AI-driven filters to delete comments that voice opinions the SF tech oligarchy disagrees with. But moderating spam bots, which is far, FAR easier, is too much work for them.

[@robaldrich7399]

@@AngryAlfonse probably couldn't have said it better myself! Exactly

[@crispypotatoz9263]

Asmon seeing the ROT drama is insane, again RuneScape is drama filled because of a DMM

[@Garion-Human]

OSRS put out a blog post today saying they’re investigating before announcing winners and there’s like 140 accounts being perma banned already in DMM and main game. Crazy

[@Kingsblade7]

Rot is the single worst thing to happen to osrs

[@claybowlproductions]

Honestly it's kinda cool they are still incredibly toxic 20 years later it's kinda impressive ....

[@JPsyches]

People talk about how many players OSRS has, when the bot situation is like 100x worse than what lost ark had. Which is IMPRESSIVE.

[@darkfog360]

Of all the mmorpg games inplayed rs had some of the crazyest damn clans. From getting married to scamming to terrorism

[@TecnoCR]

osrs player: 1) yes there are many bots in osrs 2) jagex has had internal corruption problems for years 3) literally every tournament that osrs has had the winners have been accused of cheating in some way

[@willowen5118]

runescapes biggest 2 problems is the botting and hacking. i swear there are more bots than not bots.

[@DuckGoat-mr9tu]

It's likely between 10 to 20% bots and the rest are players most of which might bot some skills.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

@@DuckGoat-mr9tu it's impossible to tell. Bot behaviour can be very similar to real players. You only realise it's a bot farm when you see multiple characters with similar levels doing the same skill across worlds. Doesn't help that most players don't talk ingame, so even if you ask people if they're a bot you probably won't get a response If I had to guess, it is much higher than 20%.

[@razorsharp5643]

This ROT clan's rabbit hole goes deep. There was even a former member of JaGex staff involved in feeding information to the clan. For just a clan in a video game, they have a lot of effect on people and far too much control.

[@trajectoryunown]

"Does RuneScape have a really big botting problem?" Yes. Bots are a large part of why RuneScape became less enjoyable. They're absolutely rampant. 3rd party sites make a lot of IRL money selling gold, rare items, bulk resources, or pre-leveled accounts. Illicit gambling rackets will also use them to advertise their services and accumulate in-game gold. Any bot account can be manually controlled to act as a mule for transferring items. Either there are too many for the mods to take care of, the mods don't even care, or they're so abundant that it's impossible to report/police them all. Consequently, many players have simply accepted them as an unfortunate aspect of the game at this point. I'd personally venture to guess half or more of the total player base is bots and many more are gamblers or mules. Back when OSRS made a comeback, I joined again. Was grinding some cows East of Lumbridge shortly after getting off of Tutorial Ssland while surrounded by a half dozen or player characters within the immediate area, and this higher level dude rolled up and asked "Is anybody here not a bot?" There were probably a couple of dozen player characters within his chatting distance. I was like "I'm not a bot." Man offered a trade, gave me a bank note with 1000 gold bars, then bounced. Only 1-2 actual human beings had any discussion afterwards. Bro's an absolute legend helping to keep the game alive. God bless him. That was a far cry from my first experience in the mid 2000s of experienced players luring noobs into the Wilderness fresh off of Tutorial Island just so they could rack up some EXP and make them lose most of their worthless items.

[@mikehawk8984]

To be fair botting has always been an issue, even back in Classic in 02 with things like Autorune. But I agree it's particularly egregious on f2p worlds. I remember bankstanding whilst skilling and a dude asked if anyone was a real person and he just gave me 5 mill. Which was like half a bond at the time and helped me get enough to move over to members. So while there are pieces of shit like RoT, botters, lurers, and the like, in my experience OSRS has been by far the friendliest and most generous community out of any MMO I've played lol

[@trajectoryunown]

@@mikehawk8984 Oh yeah, the actually community is fantastic. Got all sorts of folk. I had more friends in RuneScape than I ever could have imagined IRL. One of my favorite past-times while working on smithing and other skills was to wait around spawn and give newer players a full kit of low-tier armor, some food, and a next-tier weapon plus whatever else I had on hand at the time. It wasn't worth much as a resource to me, but just devoting that extra little bit of time can improve other players' experiences. No need to worry about getting offed by some random NPC while exploring. They can focus on grinding up skills or questing. (Also gave me a break from the monotonous grind.)

[@MyNameIsSalo]

"Bots are a large part of why RuneScape became less enjoyable." so no, botting in runescape used to be worse. There are periods in like 2006-2010 where people estimated ~90% of players used bot clients, many of which did not get banned as all of runescapes revenue was membership accounts which were all botting. It wasn't until the squeal of fortune generating passive money through P2W elements, that Jagex could afford to tackle bots. The bot problem is much less than it used to be. If you think bots made runescape less enjoyable, then you've got it backwards. You've found it less enjoyable for other reasons, likely age. Bots have nothing to do with your relative enjoyment as the botting problem is much better than it was back in early runescape.

[@astylessss]

We dont negotiate with terrorists

[@DisappointedSon0813]

@Joseph14144 Reported.

[@FALCORTON]

I had to provide feedback on this comment lmao.

[@DarkMatter-97]

@@DisappointedSon0813 its a bot dont engage, been around for years they just pop again dont waste your time.

[@A_Goat]

Jagex supports RoT entirely. They literally have Jagex Staff members who are in RoT. They feed them information about the Dead Man Mode tournaments, such as where the final zone will be so that they can get their first and prevent others from coming, and have even implemented objects that dont exist in the real game world into places to give them advantage. Such as the barrier they set in Al Kharid so that they knew where the final zone was and that anyone entering would have their character completely stalled out, unable to do anything, as they are being hit by hundreds of players going through the barrier. Even when a Jagex staff member, as a part of RoT, exploited his position and their system to steal the most wealthy players passwords and disperse their in game items throughout the clan and to sell for real world trade, they still never banned the clan. It's irrefutable that they are in collusion together.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

That Jagex employee left/was fired and that was years ago. Jagex definitely does not support ROT but they don't have the funding to combat them. ROT isn't an issue 99% of the time, it is only during DMM finals which is like for 2hrs once a year.

[@A_Goat]

@@MyNameIsSalo Jagex has several employees linked to RoT, champion. From Staff Members to Player Mods. They have a history of employing and even incentivizing nefarious players, cheaters and rule breakers. You could wake me from a drunken stupor and I could list off atleast twelve examples. From the great ban wave, where they actively told cheaters to create botting programs and the first to get one working would receive employment. &They did. Showed it to them at RuneFest and was hired on the spot. You don't see the consistency of how every single staff member who is part of the bug abuse and exploit team were bug abusers directly at some point or another. &How they aide the active exploiters achieving their goals? Reach's part is pretty well documented there. Going as far as to manually teleport players to inaccessible places in order for them to pull of their exploits and keep the gain. The relationship between Jagex and groups like HaxUnit are crystal clear. &How several of those staff members have been exposed for not just implemented bugs willingly so that they could abuse them and profit from them like the Corporeal Beast Safe Spot which personally lined my bank pretty well with sigils or straight up just stealing everything from your account like Jed. Runescape is a game where they openly admit on their company channel that they are aware that ~50% of the player base has bought or traded gold and that they are just arbitrary banning people to appease the complainers. How they see these cheaters as a "necessity" for the game, their words not mine. You're fooling yourself if you actually think it's just one person.

[@A_Goat]

Mod Reach was atleast a gangster about it. Fed the boys and not the RaT clan. Let us eat, got himself a sports car, and got out. Even when they tried to play him on live stream, he laughed directly at the camera. There isn't just one shark in the ocean, Pal.

[@DeadBotting]

Also btw Asmon, they use alt accounts so they still can win on their mains

[@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ]

Hey Asmon, I doubt you'll see this, or even care, but I hope you do. There's a Vtuber called Taiga that's been under some heavy fire for shit he never did, and I was hoping you'd cover the story. There's a video about it from RoyaltyIsHere on KZbin. He's being slandered, but no one's talking about it, and I just want the guy to have the peaceful life he deserves. Please do a video on this.

[@afos88]

If someone posts about it on his Reddit he might look into it

[@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ]

​@@afos88 Sounds like something we should get going. That video should be linked too, the from RoyaltyIsHere.

[@TheSrbBrownBear]

An yey, just throw your career away and start over, not like people will find out who you are, such an easy fix​@@TrueVtuberJapanizu

[@daveboy2000]

Hey Asmon will you cover the unfair deplatforming of Taigaxholic/BungoTaiga because of a stalker mass-reporting them on KZbin and Twitter, and the bungling of KZbin where they first unbanned them and then banned them again within minutes seemignly because of some kind of office politics?

[@karafoxu5374]

@Joseph14144 fuckin bots

[@DisappointedSon0813]

@@karafoxu5374 I just report em and move on.

[@eclipse_kookoo5884]

True

[@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ]

@@daveboy2000 I agree. Unless he says otherwise, I think we should help Taiga as much as possible. Hopefully Asmon, or any other big ones will cover this. I requested Legal Mindset to cover it.

[@zafer5491]

​@@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ Taiga got what he deserved after trying to cancel another vtuber for playing Hogwarts legacy. Honestly, Rip bozo.

[@stevenphilpott-q8q]

rot has been removed from the game . 3trillion gp deleted

[@bane4743]

I love how RuneScape is basically the wild wild west.

[@WhatsTheWordBozo]

Runescape probably has the least worst botting problem than most MMOs. The amount of work and knowledge that the team does and has to fight against bots is unparalleled to any other MMO. Yes, there are big botting issues but within about 3-4 months of a new type appearing they damn near instantly wipe them off the face of the earth when they find a solution. Just look at any of the nukes we had or when a streamer announces it. They get on that crap like instantly. Dont get me wrong, there is still a big problem but I am so tired of people overplaying it when most of it occurs only at bosses or zammy wines. I have noticed significant decrease in those as well and in the wildy even with the massive bot spike due to the recent AI developments.

[@ignatiushazzard]

They try really hard, but there's only so much they can do. They can ban 10k accounts a week and Mfers have bots that make bot accounts to push out 10k more I think we're working our way towards a bot nuke with the official client though

[@TheAndrewconine]

This is just OSRS pvp players being OSRS pvp players. Pvpers on osrs are the worst. But Jagex is more worried about bots and gold farmers like the economy isn't already destroyed.

[@ViceOSRS]

The fact that you think Jagex is focused on bots and RWT shows how out of the loop you are.

[@Chronoanime666]

Jagex is not worried about bots lol

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

The economy is fine actually, they've somehow managed to keep it shockingly stable, more stable than literal world governments actual currency, so think before you speak.

[@SootyPhoenix]

What are you talking about? They almost never ban bots. They only occasionally ban a few in an effort to pretend to be against botting.

[@Dean.....]

@@ViceOSRS But they are completely focused on bots and RWT? By that I mean, Jagex seems to keep releasing content that so happen to coincidentally always give too much gold before nerfing it not long after almost as if by intentional design. As if employees at Jagex are designing content for their own bot farms for quick cash and the dialing it back before the game economy gets too wrecked.

[@LG1ikLx]

Mualing is frowned upon in OSRS because it's commonly used to protect items when you get banned. So the accounts they are pvping on will be rule breaking. Normally, by using macro's. Then when they get good loot they trade it to a maul account.

[@MilesGoudy]

Can you please do a vid on the vtuber Taiga? They've had it rough for 4 years, and they need a hand. Please, Taigs' community is BEGGIN YOU.

[@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ]

@@MilesGoudy I hope covers it too. I asked Legal Mindset to cover Taiga's situation too. We have to help him if we can.

[@Snowman7.Z]

I want Jagex to get to the bottom of this and EVERY other cheating problem that plagues this game. The big reason why everyone subscribed into the idea of 07 Scape was because of the transparency. Everything from hearing about what they can't do with an old game engine to making sure that any new content or changes (the original goal) will have to pass a poll at 70%. The 70% poll was one of the greatest things about RS but was also its biggest fault. It would eventually kill what was thought as a small player base but actually quite large, the pk community.

[@Bitstacker]

Runescape Rocks

[@AugustusLook-l2s]

Ive played RuneScape for around 20 years. Maxed and Phated RS3 around 2018, an then quit. Been playing osrs for around 2 months. Kinda feels like Jagex/mods are deeply into RWT. Its crazy.

[@froggin-zp4nr]

They are definitely getting a slice of the pie. All untaxed. Shady shit that should be investigated by fraud

[@ignskeletons]

'Rot' or 'Rein of Terror' is the name of a popular (infamous) clan in Oldschool Runescape known for doign edgy things and being disruptive

[@bleepbloop134]

I was part of the high end WoW arena scene back in Cata to MoP, and that was nothing near what OSRS is dealing with right now. It's like a fight in the schoolyard compared to a hit and run.

[@Chickenfriedpenguin]

people bitching that it's a 30 year old game.... that is still outperforming most games today, lol.

[@zwingler]

Muling is actually quite simple. You loose gear on death, so you just make a bank alt which holds the items for you.

[@TheCpadron19]

Muling was banned in the Deadman tournament rules. It basically lets you keep all your items safe, because they're on an account that stays in a safe zone, so if any of them die, they barely lose anything. Deadman mode is a mode where if you get killed by someone, they get the 10 most valuable items in their bank. If you have a mule, you can just give the mule all your good items, so you don't have to lose your stuff. It's a pretty big deal in a tournament with real money at stake.

[@DeadBotting]

LiT Leader here, I'm the guy that was talking with Oda on stream after the Finale I've been tryna say this for years, this shit RoTs been doing has been going on for YEARS, Oda is just the first big content creator with the balls to call it out, RoT is a clan full of scumbags that can only win when they cheat and have 2x your numbers. Their quality is awful and they know they have to do that to have a chance to win. For those of you asking why we don't just cheat too: My clan is an honor clan, we will never stoop down to their level. 1000% they deserve DQ from DMM and any streamer/clan playing with them should be ashamed.

[@xjustinjx]

These accounts do get banned. FIrst off, the game is free to create accounts. Second off, membership only costs in-game gold. Third off, hundreds of millions of accounts have been created and there is a huge amount of data mining for accounts. Most of the time accounts aren't created, they are data mined and used until the owner logs back in (which may never happen). In the case of DMM, these accounts where botted from zero, however they might not have actually been 'created' but data mined. They also needed to be members, but ROT could buy hundreds of bonds.

[@danyo6938]

Literal online terrorism .

[@user-ck9tb4fv2x]

10:46 You can have mules in runescape the normal game I think he's talking about a special mode that you were not supposed to have mules as part of the rules.

[@someguy2349]

Pls talk about the Taiga situation

[@snowmorgan4115]

It's old news I thought everyone new this shit years ago

[@ArmIessIoveseat]

⁠@@snowmorgan4115they are talking about taiga being deplatformed by the same people targeting shylily clips not the old news

[@Szaplod]

@Joseph14144 tf ur talking about 😂

[@MorningstarJinn]

Jagex and customer support do not go hand in hand at all sadly

[@nitrobeno5]

ROT IS THE BIGGEST PVP CLAN IN THE GAME! They have massive player power, because there is so many of them that jagex is afraid of stoking THAT fire, look at the framing they are doing to Odablock, theyre editing private discord conversations etc, their literally destroying his image. Imagine how the runescape developers feel about them, the runescape devs aren't even as vocal as oda and would be completely burned by these sort of framing.

[@SimonLind-lh6pt]

that's just something a bullied victim would claim. jagex could ban them without any issue, they just don't want to

[@Juggernautfitnes]

They wont destroy his image he is too known in the community for people to belive the shit they do. And rot are known scumbags since 4 ever

[@inb4loss]

I investigated the runescape 3 community 6 years ago just being nosey. There's a lot of hearsay about all the dark shit they got going on, but osrs and rs3 are some of the oldest bastions of RMT on the internet and these cartels are actually so as Venezuelens use OSRS as an actual career path because of their horribad economy. ROT has been a problem for years, but there is a lot of problems in that game that people don't talk about. I personally believe it's been fine tuned to prey upon the mentally unwell, as the amount of neurodivergent people on that game is astonishing.

[@KentRoads]

ROT = Reign of Terror

[@armandoringel2682]

I remember being in VR back in 2006-2007 and bullying RoT around all the time. They did always try to find loopholes to cheat though.

[@steakeater4018]

“Is that bad?” My thoughts exactly

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Is it bad to cheat in a tournament? Yes, yes it is.

[@dbabdbbbghbb]

Yeah most of the things he brought up have happened in past tournaments and Jagex has made statements that those actions are bannable. They just don’t follow through

[@mis3ry47]

the sad fact is they just sold the company just a few months back so its under new management but what i can say is they have done some major recent bot ban waves. Ones that were super successful ultimately moving legit players up on the high scores, impacting prices on heavily botted items, freed up heavily botted areas. still it's only a scratch to the surface possibly even just the band aide..

[@TheRonan92]

Europe has this issue too

[@Darthmufin]

You have to do something pretty severe for your ISP to be forced to figure out you are the person with the VPN harassing people online. Because its the only way you are ever going to force someone to get consequences for online harassment as nobody is going to have access to those logs outside of the ISP. Someone can make hundreds or thousands of twitter accounts to harass you and just send a few messages, and abandon it to make a new one 5 minutes later at a new IP. You're never going to get justice for someone like that.

[@kolden687]

RUNESCAPE HAS A WHAT??

[@erenlapucet398]

Besides just being against tourny rules, muling is a big deal since the death rules are quite harsh in ddm. Every time you die it can take you several hours of money making just to get your items back, whereas muling bypasses that completely. Also for context dmm gets probably tens of thousands players because you can make money in the main game the more you progress in dmm. So it breeds a lot of resentment among regular players when others break the rules for a big advantage.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

I play on entity hider. The whole world is quiet 😁💯

[@xvfja]

its not hard to understand. Doxing threaten stalking is pretty normal and common in pvp clans. its not a one clan thing its just a general pvp clan thing currently. rot just happens to excel at it and also pursued the gold farming route which makes them seem invincible but it opens up routes to buy out jag employees.

[@angeloluna529]

No views, asmon fell off

[@haybailx4130]

​@Joseph14144 when?

[@IrishRepoMan]

16 mins and only 13k. Asmon should retire.

[@IrishRepoMan]

​@@haybailx4130 It's a bot. Don't engage.

[@TheonlyHouseCat]

Even with everything you seen here asmond, you have only seen a tiny part of it, RoT had a jmod (GM) give them info ahead of times in a previous dead man as well, telling them about a nerf and where the final zone would be to guarantee then winning, he ended up not being a jmod anymore at least

[@I_Crit_My_Pants]

Muling is an issue in OSRS because this was a Deadman mode tournament... When you kill someone, you get the items on them AND their bank key, giving you access to valuable crap from their bank. If they're all putting their valuable items onto 1 account to protect those items till the end of the tournament, that is intentionally bypassing the intended way the gamemode is meant to work. It's no dif to botting, you're not playing the game within the rules.

[@Lazycandle]

Ok I haven’t played rune scape in a long time but wouldn’t one way to fix the mule problem be to only allow trading in pvp areas in deadman mode, like you need to be in a pvp area for 3 minutes before you can trade

[@clancamper]

The main difficulty in dealing with RoT, is that they are like cockroaches, if one account gets banned they just buy another account and keep going. If jagex wants to deal with them, they need to cut off all their RMT sources and actually enforce their own rules. If jagex dealt with the explicit amount of rmt happening in RoT (and in other clans with similar reputation) they would be busy making resumes with a 10 year gap and the problem would go away on its own.

[@stratfender89]

It's easy to solve the muling issue in the game for DMM -- make it so an account can only carry one of each purple drop.

[@Great-Dao-of-Elegance]

OFC Asmon wouldn't have any problems with this, Asmon himself admitted that he's been scamming people and doing all kinds of rat behavior way back then in WoW 😂