MASSIVE Runescape Drama

The Disgusting Corruption Within Jagex • The Disgusting Corrupt...
Goodbye Runescape? • Goodbye Runescape?
by @Odablock
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[@karasutsuki1733]

"This is stupid enough to deserve my full attention" XD What a legend

[@RamenBlox]

😂 fr

[@finnafishfl]

wait was that right at the beginning i gotta hear it

[@matcloud1339]

@@finnafishfl @36:11

[@SteelVizard]

@@finnafishfl 36:10

[@finnafishfl]

Thanks guiz

[@FlashyyyGG]

Oda got unbanned, trident got fired, Stella got banned - then Stella started leaking DMs with Trident where they are talking about their literal bot farm, where Trident is making scripts for her. They are both fucking nuts

[@DieselEngine-lg6xm]

thanks for this they got no life

[@PowerfulVillain]

Oda doing rwt and admitting to it is like terrorist saying he only bombed one country so he's a good guy. Feel pity for oda's blind fanboys lol. If jagex can ban jmods for acting that way, why would they keep oda? All should be banned imho. Oda is a cheat who brainwashed kids into thinking he's some sort of a saint. He's just as guilty if not more.

[@sa-mp5iw]

And Asmon should get a mute for being smugly wrong on his assesment on all of this with his uninformed pre-judgements The game's rules are the game's rules. If it sounds ridicilous, take it up with the devs

[@MrFamouzLTD]

@@sa-mp5iw Asmon is being very reasonable, ofcourse he's not going to believe the guy that's admitting to breaking basically every single rule possible on multiple accounts lmao. And Asmon also stood up for Oda when he got more informed after watching the video. Don't be a cringe fanboy

[@sa-mp5iw]

@@MrFamouzLTD That's not reasonable, rational or logical. It's by definition impulsive and the fact that a minimal amount of information completely 180'd Asmon's perspective on this demonstrates exactly why people shouldn't dig their heels so deep & smugly in any position before hearing out more than 3 sentences of someone's personal defence. It's not about Asmon being wrong, it's about him asserting he's right before he even knows what he's talking about. Only a cringe fanboy would be stubborn enough to take offense to Asmon being called out on that as if he's perfect, grow up

[@arturchrz]

funny thing is oda got unbanned , trident got fired , stella got banned

[@Toshiro4619]

Looks like he's banned again.

[@arturchrz]

@@Toshiro4619 no hes not lol he uploading everyday if not twice a day hcim series and all

[@nickberatta7506]

@@Toshiro4619what are u talking about lol

[@Brane_Ded]

"I'm not a Bot, ill form an opinion. Pauses every 10 sec to form a new opinion. Pauses mid sentence to argue and change opinion again. Unpasteurized, oda finishes sentence, changes opinion again. Take it a couple min at a time. Too reactionary, adhd brain. You are capable of letting a video play while you form an opinion, I know you are.

[@oscargallman4178]

That’s not funny, its just great.

[@daveg.]

“This is stupid enough to be worthy of my full attention.” This statement is too perfect.

[@MandoF]

That “she doesn’t even know how to do cooks assistant.” Got me LOL

[@hm02fly75]

It's been something close to 20 years since I touched Runescape but for some reason just him saying that brought flashes of that quest to my memory. Assuming it's the beginner cooking quest I'm thinking of

[@MandoF]

@@hm02fly75 yeah it is, I made a new account last year and played again. Still the same haha

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

then she better get cooking then lol

[@Duzzii_]

@@ufuk5872 they reversed his perm ban to temp because they cant find evidence… lol so try again . Oda coming back soon

[@whenisdinner2137]

@@ThreeHundred_Thirty_Three it's not a kitchen joke. You're reaching with that one

[@iZaners]

I think the bigger issue is that Jagex stated they had a ran an investigation prior when all of the evidence in these videos was out there in the public and they said they found nothing. Absolute insanity.

[@mrcool76789]

Jagex is like a horribly run family business. they've never been fully capable of handling their large player base at any point in time, it's a mess

[@TheZeagon]

Like when otk investigated themselves lmaooo Who would hire a third party they know would find information and dirt on them

[@erismo2138]

@@mrcool76789 And I'm sure they've cut staff year after year. So not only are there fewer eyes and hands on the game, power becomes concentrated and that can lead to bad results.

[@bluntdragon_]

"we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing"

[@bigboytoy96]

Because they’re all in on it. Why woudnt they.

[@UpperCasePVP]

asmon the only one to manage to turn a 30-40min video into a feature length movie. legend

[@Tatercon]

asmon had his own character arc from this man is spewing nothing but bullshit to trident should be removed from the company. better writing than holywood

[@Sutskoen]

Clearly you don't know of EFAP

[@timothymartensen9040]

​@Sutskoen oh thats a nice 20 minute video. 8 hours later.....

[@-Knave]

Man I'm a fish out of water when it comes to this situation and I'm still trying to gather all the context before making my thoughts. Meanwhile Asmon's heard him talk for like 5 seconds begins writing an entire essay. I appreciate trying not to be a free booter by interjecting a lot of commentary but this feels like a car spinning its wheels on ice half the time.

[@asmuse571]

This aint really about him being banned, its about the abuse of power from a jagex employee

[@johnroush5731]

It's both. Him making this video is a hail mary to get unbanned.

[@Chewy427]

@@johnroush5731 like when the CIA drops charges if you become an informer

[@mythoceanas8874]

Problem is that he is muddying the waters and making it a petty squabble instead of honing in on possible corruption.

[@Jackie89000]

Yeah, but this guy's video like hiring Jared Fogel to be Bill Cosby's defense attorney.

[@harveyflippers9531]

Abusing what power? He admitted to buying services on a banned account, buying services on MULTIPLE PAST ACCOUNTS, and account sharing, which just further opens any of those shared accounts to actions he doesn’t even know happened. Edit: It took an extra 30 minutes to finally get some actual proof. Half of his evidence is paper-thin at best tho

[@Shootingstarsfizzy]

I'm not a WOW player, but have been a RS3/OSRS player basically since its inception. It was very refreshing to see someone analyze who isn't directly in the Runescape community.

[@TheZeagon]

the only time they jagex got this guy on runescape way paying him during leagues while not paying runescape creators lel

[@TakeMiner]

@@TheZeagon weird isnt it? they pay other people that dont play the game to promote it to theyre audience but then they dont pay the people that already play it like a religion annyway? Its almost like they are a company and paying the already playing people would be fucking stupid cause it would not bring ANNY new people to the game...

[@TheZeagon]

@TakeMiner you can tell you aren't a regular viewer oh jeez,

[@TakeMiner]

@@TheZeagon lovely how you manage to say nothing in a comment at all that is relevant for this.

[@ATROFlAR]

@@TakeMiner Who says they dont pay people that already play the game? They've payed plenty of youtubers to do stuff for them. Every week there's one of them doing a game update review on the OSRS channel. PureSpam and Skiddler hosted DMM tournaments. Just shut your trap

[@GurddonYT]

This is like the fever dream, content creator crossover that oldschool MMO fans never thought would happen

[@DFsdf3443d]

asmon had trouble getting it at first because he has the perspective of cheating from WoW, where its looked at much more harshly & discouraged in the community. In osrs cheating is looked at more softly. Jagex distinguishes between people who cheat to actually play the game (like buying gold or training services) vs people who dont actually want to play the game but only tries to make money off of it or something like that (like gold farmers and such) and they hand out punishments accordingly. Buying gold will only get you a warning (on your first offence), whereas selling will get you a perma ban even on your first offence. I know on wow its different, where if you cheat even once you get perma banned and not only that if you make a new account they'll keep banning you. That shits kinda fucked i prefer jagex's approach. After all a player who cheats is still a player. Of course they should be discouraged with some form of punishment, but no need to completely remove them from the game because they got a little impatient with grinding and decided to try and buy some gold to get to some more fun content in the game. Jagex also does it like this because they've said in the past that as far as they know at least 50% of the player base has bought gold or botted at least once. Literally every streamer has admitted to doing some sort of cheating in the past (like selling fire capes, botting, or RWT) but since its years ago jagex doesn't have an issue with it. Asmon kinda gets the wrong idea of o at first because he hears him admit to cheating in the past and therefor characterizes him as a bad guy, but in runescape thats looked as as pretty normal (hence why he is so open about it in the video as well). The point is oda hadn't done anything against the rules on the omar account, and had only been account services a little bit 2 YEARS ago on bald. Ordinarily they would have never looked into his accounts in the first place, let alone look THAT far back in his history to find something. In runescape as i say jagex has an "unofficial policy" that is if you did something a long time ago you wont get punished for it later if they discover it, and bans are basically always per account. IP bans only really happen to bot farmers or gold farmers. If o had actually been actively cheating on his main accounts and then woke up one day and saw he was banned, he would have just laughed it off like he does with other accounts. It was about the fact that in this situation he literally didn't deserve it & it was targeted.

[@scarletsletter4466]

This is 💯 correct about the difference in perception of gold buying in the 2 games. I will say that I had accounts that got hacked/ botted & then banned back during that Sony data leak. In both games, once I appealed they looked into it & gave me back the accounts.

[@letuanhai6901]

Well said.

[@shibaraccoon8740]

But to be fair that is something Oda needs to clarify himself. This dude did a piss poor job of explaining anything that is happening or happened. Maybe just because he is talking to people who already know what is going on but the argument structure and thought put into this was minimal at best.

[@puddi8817]

Thats their biggest issue though. You cant leave ANY grey area in cheating. Any form of RWT be it buying or selling should be instant ban. Same with account aharing, same with botting, etc, etc. If you leave grey areas, you end up paying for it later when people abuse loopholes and the blame wars start. "I bought gold yeah, but so did X player too, why only i got banned?". It also overall deteriorates the communitys trust in fair play because you never know for sure. Did that player buy gold? Is the cape real? Are the leaderboards botted?

[@darkvisiongothacked]

my original RS account i RWTed all the time i mean all the time. ALL of my membership dues were paid for via RWT i also sold gold on d2jsp. point being...i broke ToS super hard...and i never got banned. granted they have cracked down on RWT in the past bit for a while, but it still stands i was breaking ToS. Diablo 2 i was one of the top traders in the game period. d2jsp was against ToS...still used the hell out of it. I dont think making money off of gaming, is wrong. is it almost always against tos? yup. but its not immoral. just because im willing to break a rule in ToS i dont agree with doesnt make me immoral or a liar.

[@Anoradord]

Watching asmongold try to understand osrs precedent is like watching congress try to understand how tik tok accesses home wifi. He would have a field day watching rendi.

[@OgJimb0b]

Make it happen

[@raz0rcarich99]

loooooool rendi

[@XDeathPenguinX]

I'm an hour into the video and he still doesn't understand the rules of the game and what is and isn't allowed and the repercussions of said rule breaking. Next time he should just bring someone in a call who actually plays the fucking game and understands deathmatching/rules of the game and the difference between discord "House rules" and in-game rules.

[@lgbtthefeministgamer4039]

rendi? you mean the gold duping, RWTing, psychedelic brain damaged rat?

[@d0zn]

I forget sometimes how much context is required to understand niche situations like this lol. Asmond went from "hmm idk, I'm skeptical of this guy" to "holy shit, it really is this bad" 😂

[@frousteleous1285]

It doesnt help that the dude in the video laid out aboslutely no context for those of us without context.

[@lowfade3273]

i don't get how discord screenshots are proofs, you can literally edit those in less than 2min with paint 😂

[@thejman5552]

@@lowfade3273 This video was posted 9 months ago. since then, trident was fired

[@whenimmanicimgodly4228]

​@thejman5552 uh...he didn't contest that at all he just asked a question about how that can even be used as evidence.

[@irelandspacifist6156]

Oda did lie and misrepresent a lot though

[@MFINK92]

I came to Asmongold along time ago for WoW content but I don't play anymore but I tell you what. Asmongold I thank you for your honest and non-biased opinion. you really try to look at things from all angles. Please don't ever change that. I'm sure i'm not the only one that came here for WoW but thats not the reason we stayed. Thank you for being yourself. Good, Bad, Ugly but never fake in a plastic world is something to be proud of.

[@Echiinacea]

So many people hate him for it, I find it refreshing. I agree with him often and sometimes not but I always think he is true to himself and THAT is what I like about asmon.

[@bingbongwingwong]

Sometimes, he panders when absolutely necessary. Just like everybody else.

[@ramp622]

39:20 what oda is saying, is that if you and another player agree to risk 1b vs eachother, if one player teleports out instead of stays to the death, mod trident would ban them for that. Which makes very little sense considering its just a player vs player agreement, that you don't have to follow, other players just won't want to fight you if you do that right. So lets imagine we're playing wow, and I say, if you clear this boss ill give you 500k gold, and then he clears the fight and you don't pay him the 500k gold. It's not bannable just going against your word. Same thing as that, just in a pvp fight pretty much. But as you said, I believe they were banned for other things related to rwt, not just solely because they ran from a fight where they agreed to stay. But I heard just for running from the fights, she would try to get you banned. So who knows, only the mod team would know that.

[@swordyshield]

asmongold complaing about the structure of the video without seeming to realize that literally 99% of videos start with a claim and then back it up with proof is kinda strange

[@xyarlo9369]

Well, the problem is that this guy started by providing evidence. Evidence for why one should be extremely careful believing anything he says.

[@rociosilverroot551]

"Whenever someone tells me something I assume they're lying." This was my first thought

[@Bitcoinhead]

🤣😂

[@bigtimegoblin]

That’s it? Wow

[@DrGandW]

I should assume it wasn’t your first thought

[@marcusf396]

Update: Mod Trident fired. Stella banned. Odablock unbanned.

[@Fivestar5000]

Stella is still DMing

[@marcusf396]

@@Fivestar5000 oh really 😅

[@Lolvi6]

He was never IP banned. She was gloating that her boyfriend would ban every new account he tried to make. Literally just ego.

[@itsmymillertime182]

Drinking Game: Take a shot everytime Asmon says "keep watching".

[@RedScapes]

It's 7am, I've just watched this video before I start work and I am hammered. Wish me luck

[@Thamer4life]

No it's MY Miller time

[@keretor9457]

@FranVanJoaq I mean, yeah? He was more on the dude's side by the end of the video

[@Luukaar]

@FranVanJoaqhe is saying that 4 levels are not worth being perm banned , which makes sense, and the other account which broke no rules got perm banned, and also how a whore got banning privileges for dating the biggest simp dog ever, and he listens to her every command, while she breaks rules and rwts, while oda doesn’t do either and basically he got banned while a scammer doesn’t get banned

[@keretor9457]

@FranVanJoaq "Being more on the dude's side" doesn't immediately mean Asmon agrees with everything the dude said, just that after seeing everything, he believes he is right in accusing this e-thot and her white knight, when he thought that was a bunch of bullshit at the start due to all the statements without immediate evidence He still believes the dude should get IP-banned for breaking TOS on multiple accounts, but changed his mind on initially thinking he was just lying the entire time

[@xFaint]

Runescape has the worst community management of any game. Accounts get hacked and abused all the time, bots are rampent, Account security is beyond laughable, corrupt mods, real life money trading circles even ran by mods in the past. In this situation Oda might just be trying to safe face, but at the same time i wouldnt be suprised if the whole stella/mod trident stuff is legit, since it wouldn't be the first time something stupid like this happens.

[@CeriseKing]

maplestory would like a word

[@frumpyglint]

Still no capital letters or special characters allowed in your password btw.

[@mixuaquela123]

Thankfully the devs are super passionate. Jagex should invest more to customer support/anti-cheating team and we're good.

[@mixuaquela123]

@@frumpyglint More complex passwords can be actually used for Jagex accounts. I rly recommend converting your accs to a Jagex account. One email and 1 password for 10 accounts and no need to type in login details.

[@TheAluvisify]

@@patrickbaklava7297 I've never starved for food, therefore famine doesn't exist.

[@tarastargaze3833]

"No Armor" is the best term I've ever heard.

[@zapleaf]

"This is stupid enough to have my full attention." I just love your takes with online drama, I love your voice of reason.

[@-Mintyy]

Lmaoooo “reason” he says

[@Armadail_]

I feel like theres an misunderstanding about rs bans. 1. If you rule break on 1 account the ban doesnt spread to other accounts. 2. Each ban must have its own explaination that you can view by logging into your account. 3. I dont think u can get ip banned. Oda meant that all his accounts got categorically banned (he can still make new accounts from his ip) Oda is mainly upset because he got target banned without account specific evidence

[@liarwithagun]

Yeah. Asmon is just applying how Blizz and most companies run their games compared to how Jaggex runs RS, which is very different. Jaggex is ran much more... informally than how most companies run their games, for hood or ill.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

That isn't exactly true... RS only handles individual accounts as separate bans because they do zero work actually investigating etc, and leave it almost entirely up to their automated systems. When A Friend was banned, they banned ALL of his accounts at once, for example.(including an account owned by someone else that Dovydas played on occasionally) Nothing about what you said is RS policy, but rather just the result of lazy staff who don't actually want to put work into doing their job.

[@Shteven]

They do ip bans for serious offenses

[@razorednight]

I can't log into osrs when using a VPN. The only reason I can think of why Jagex don't want us using vpns is because they want to see our ips so they can IP ban us.

[@ninetysnano6071]

@@ShaggyRogers1I’d say ain’t that America but this the Uk we’re talking about Eh?

[@alexfang2594]

I actually saw Mod Trident in osrs before. He was in the GE encouraging players to scam each other he stood there and watched and even laughed as a player was scammed. I called the player out who scammed the other player and he asked the player who was doing the scamming if I was bothering him and laughed when he found out that he scammed a player out of a twisted bow. He is one reason why I have not played OSRS in probably the last 6 months. I just can't play a game knowing that there are staff who actively encourage players to destroy the community like this.

[@princehotbuns658]

I saw him spit on an old woman and then instead of apologising he poured his hot coffee on her head and walked off laughing 😔

[@snowyblaze246]

Imagine being scammed out of a tbow, id laugh too. If you have a tbow you should have the slightest bit of common sense

[@Astelch]

I actually got banned under Oda’s cc for rwt. Yes I did rwt 1-2b throughout the years of being bored and wanting to buy some things. I accepted my wealth removal and ban status bcuz I did break tos. Mod trident finding out my account through “routine” checks is pretty bs. Excited to see him get the boot and potentially get a legal case from jagex. Imagine choosing who are the exceptions to rule breaking if that’s the case there are no rules or tos for osrs. Why can’t I rwt for couple bucks when stella out here rwt for a living gets immunity bcuz she’s fucking trident?

[@godssons6979]

also just gonna throw this out there as an osrs player for years if jagex banned every player who broke the rules. osrs would be a dead game and so would rs3. the entire game community breaks rules all the time. they only ban those who majorly break the rules like things such as rwt selling and botting. and literally the trans thing was literally just him saying it was against his religion to support trans or gay people. that was it. so yeah come on now lmfao wild to me.

[@Ace_Disaster]

This isn't the first jagex employee to exploit their power. Whether its for their friends or for some coochie, it just keeps happening

[@Regis_Philbin]

When asmon finishes the video but theres 40 minutes left

[@keretor9457]

Honestly prefer that to the pauses throughout the video

[@shade0636]

@@generalwretch1822 The issue is that all of the pausing causes him to miss parts of the video or misinterpret them.

[@patriklundvall3296]

@@shade0636 Yea but these guys speculate everything without knowing what happend, Like Asmongold, Oda said start of the first video that his two accounts were banned & he could make a new one if he wanted. But Asmon were busy pausing & speculating that oda was IP Banned from the first min. Asmon only find out he werent IP banned at the end of the 1hr & 30 min when both vids were done and was doing a recap of what happend & if deserved or not.

[@shade0636]

@@patriklundvall3296 So you agree with me that Asmongold is misinterpreting the video? I'm not sure why you preceded that reply with "but" as if it contradicts my claim.

[@patriklundvall3296]

@@shade0636 ya i said but cause it was a few that were ignoring this saying "go watch original vid" known about this stella for a year now atleast just recently playing osrs again which is why i knew & shes been a known scammer for a while. So it was just painful with people speculating without even watching or listening whats being said at the start of video.

[@kingkowala]

Considering that mod Jed used to work at Jagex its hilarious to me that anyone can actually take things Jagex says as truth

[@bigtimegoblin]

That’s it?

[@kingkowala]

@@bigtimegoblin I think a member of staff using their privilege to hack accounts to RWT for money then refusing to recover what was lost back to the players is self evident

[@bigtimegoblin]

@@kingkowala seriously buddy??? Wow.

[@deathofastrawberry8669]

@@bigtimegoblin bro thats not even a proper response, Jagex has had 2 different mods fired for RWT and unauthorized accesing of accounts so yeah its evident that Jagex has had an issue with this in the past... fraud is one of the only crimes in which character evidence can be entered into otherwise irrelevant matters

[@blank3746]

Mod Jed wasn't even the worst corrupt member of the team. He just had the most publicity, theres been far worse jagex staff.

[@reapercussions8450]

The fact that asmon was so hardcore about this is proof that he has a need to be right contrary to his statement about learning and changing his viewpoint he clearly went into this with an agenda he got there in the end but he really was struggling for 30 minutes in this video

[@RsChrisG]

Here's the problem, as a rs player since 2004. Accounts do not get banned for things done on seperate accounts, especially in this type of scenario with Odablock. The only time people get chain banned is when they are running HUGE BOT GOLDFARMS 24/7 to sell the gold OR if they are apart of a large RWT company (website). Odablocks account servicing was simply to level accounts so that he could make PKing content, he was not using it to buy/sell gold or for any nefarious reason. Almost every RS content creator who makes PKing content use other peoples accounts to make videos/stream on. The accounts that were serviced, were stated to have been serviced on 2+ years ago, while jagex only last year started implementing punishment for said services. How can you be banned for something that wasn't against the rules at the time of the "crime"? It's hard for asmon to understand this situation because RuneScape is a complex ass game and if you haven't played it for like 5+ years you likely have no idea whats going on.

[@mrcool76789]

yep people don't get rs culture, 90% of players do not care about servicing or gp buying and don't expect oda to be banned like that

[@theshiftybloke4672]

It's hard for anyone to understand when they haven't played RS

[@rubixcubesolve]

You've entirely missed the issue which has nothing to do with whether Oda should be banned or not but rather the blatantly obvious, and evidence based, corruption of a Jagex employee (trident), doggy simping to some hoe that is making the calls and influencing decisions outside of her authority. That and she RWTs all the money from the competition she is eliminating through her simp mod boyfriend, which is against game tos, stealing as she bans players she is in debt too, and she likely never reported her bitcoin earnings to the IRS which is illegal in the USA. It's also not a stretch to assume that the money she got from rwt is being shared with her boyfriend who is helping her with all these efforts., and an employee working hand in hand with their intimate partner to profit off of abuse of power and cheating is totally illegal. He shouldn't only be fired, but Jagex should pursue legal action against him. How long you've been playing the game is totally irrelevant to acknowledging clear and obvious corruption occurring within a company...nor does it require any understandings of the history or innerworkings of the game...from someone whose been playing since 2003.

[@mrcool76789]

@@rubixcubesolve nobody missed that point lol

[@RsChrisG]

@@rubixcubesolve If you're talking to me, you must not have read my comment or just didn't understand it. I'm speaking on asmons ignorance of how things go in RS, im not saying there isnt corruption, that part is blatantly obvious.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Yeah, Trident should definitely get sued if Jagex knows what they're doing after they conclude their investigation. They already changed Oda's bans to temporary ban.

[@dmt472]

Sued for what lol? He just needs to be fired or transferred

[@Knoxinater18]

@@dmt472 sued for damages, his actions could and almost definitely are costing jagex huge amounts of money (is exactly what asmon is talking about at 1:27:20), its also wouldnt be the first time a company has sued for damages (even recently nintendo has sued someone for damages for hacking consoles)

[@whenisdinner2137]

@@dmt472 sued for damaging the company's reputation and breaking just about every rule of employment there race

[@byakurenhoujuu]

@@Knoxinater18 Depending on where he's at & if he's actually an employee, could also be breaking certain workplace relationship laws and/or bribery laws.

[@konigstiger8518]

​@chesterbelle he is? Me and a bunch of people I know came to the game because of him lol.

[@brelshar4968]

Toxic women in games will absolutly tear people down they think have wronged them.

[@dystasia]

The part where Asmon got so pissed he pulled out scissors absolutory killed me. I could not stop laughing for like a whole 2 minutes.

[@kirkfogg8366]

It's the closest he's gotten to a brain aneurysm we've ever seen 😂 it was so stupid he was subconsciously getting violent.

[@Mertbabasisert]

“Why are we beating round the bush? He is!” Asmon is truly goated

[@pj-wille]

"I've got scissors. I don't know what I'm gonna do with them, but I'm fucking pissed." I love that lol

[@JjayNC8L]

Some may not like it, but asmongolds way of processing and evolving information and viewpoints is so unashamedly human, and reflective of what most of us do in our own heads as we come to understand something. Its just so marvelling to watch him do so verbally and im here for it. Now I get that not all of us do this in our heads, but genuinely, we should. Humanity would be far better off for it. Being willing to change your mind, is integral to adapting and learning, becoming better. A stubborn individual will hammer the nail over and over even if it wont go in. A adaptive person will hit it once, twice, maybe even a third time, but after it doesnt go in, they will find a new solution. Very basic comparison, that applies to all lines of thinking. And passion, dedication, are often used to masquerade stubborn attitudes.

[@DaddyPlane]

no doubt, i always think about that lol..

[@Dan-hh5pk]

So true

[@WarFoxThunder]

indeed!

[@PulledPurk]

I was banned in 2006 for botting, last year I asked them if I could have it back and they gave it to me. Extremely grateful

[@jtg1528]

That’s actually awesome lol. Were the stats on that acc pretty high or not really?

[@PulledPurk]

@@jtg1528 Lol, nah

[@PulledPurk]

@@jtg1528 I was just a kid and I wanted my woodcut number go bigger 😂

[@Anoradord]

I feel what doesn't get across to asmongold is the social credit and value of word odablock has built up. the man made his living begging for money and took on every penny of that debt. I think the documentary on it claims oda got to like 235k in debt. But he did claw it out, he paid it off, and was the only debt staker to actually back up their word. If oda says he didn't service omar. I feel at this point I will trust that at face value

[@Hailex5]

HOLY SHIT THIS WAS SO FRUSTRATING TO WATCH AS A BIG FAN OF ASMON AND A DAILY OSRS PLAYER

[@Nick1994H]

He's severely misinformed and uneducated on this matter. He doesn't understand RS and that's half the problem

[@itzallai2397]

​@@Nick1994H maybe not RS but he is a massive MMORPG player and understands how people in these games think and work. He has over 1100+ days played in WoW. Think about it. I find the fact he doesnt know anything about the game itself makes his take more legitimate. He is not swayed by emotional attachment to an RS character or to its lore/world. He doesnt understand for that reason, how compelling cheating looks to those trying to max out. He simply sees it as cold turkey cheating. I think he takes the right angle of approach and ends up with a fair opinion.

[@HIDAN228]

@@itzallai2397 He doesn't understan what the video is talking about and how the game functions....

[@DoctorAsshole1]

This odablock guy needs to stay permad, sad

[@kingkarlito]

RS people are terrible at logic, oda is the criminal complaining that they got caught by snitching on someone else. they're all guilty

[@ricosnake3591]

imagine how many people just wanted to deathmatch and got banned AND scammed on accounts that are years old... actually sad and disgusting

[@Skonkgasm]

There is some merit to the idea that there is ONE account that a person wouldnt cheat on when they would happily cheat on others. Account security isnt even the biggest factor here although it is a factor- it makes it harder to lose the account. The big thing as you said is this is the no life game where grinding is the whole point. The journey not the destination. People who buy these leveling services have probably tasted the forbidden fruit and generally disliked what they were left with. Theres just so much less personal satisfaction.

[@BamBuddhaBigger]

Ive been watching ODA for 2 years. I love how Asmon goes from being Judgy to avtually see the corruption in OSRS. This is what Oda needed

[@4mp3d]

"This is stupid enough to have my full attention." - Holy shit this is my life motto and I never knew it.

[@timothybean2500]

Jagex won't unban my main after it was hacked and botted into oblivion, had the audacity to call me a liar via email. I didn't play for 2 years, logged in with everything cleaned aside from an ass load of botted items, tried to login again the next day and it was perm banned. Crazy.

[@110jmartin011]

Takes watching the whole clip to really tell the whole story, and I enjoyed your skeptic take and overall analysis of the situation. Thanks for shining some light on this.

[@bigtimegoblin]

Seriously buddy? Wow

[@joelmcknight9995]

@@bigtimegoblin I don’t understand the disconnect between him acknowledging asmom very skeptical overall and you being upset. Is skeptical not a valid stance or something

[@shibaraccoon8740]

It’s because oda is shite at explaining or presenting an argument. The only thing that’s clear is that he is pissed off and is talking off script. I want to understand the situation but it’s literally impossible for me to with his video on it’s own.

[@bigtimegoblin]

@@joelmcknight9995 ?????????

[@bigtimegoblin]

@@joelmcknight9995 wow

[@KylePedretty]

True. No court anywhere in the world starts with the accusation and then provides the proof. What a weird way to explain

[@dizoce9069]

he was right about all of it btw, mod trident got fired and she got banned and she left mod trident once he was fired

[@fyte4luv23]

my gf was top geared healer on knights online & looted the most powerful staff in the game's history at the time. not long after, the mod locked her out n banned her for no reason, then sold the staff for 500 usd to another player. lmao

[@Man0War_Loki]

So another shit staff mod group

[@Lurkin_Ryan]

Thank you for bringing your 3rd party insight to this issue, I'm glad this has gotten the exposure it deserved.

[@singingpipes]

Anyone who says "I'm not gonna lie" and/or "You have to understand" as often as this guy can't be trusted at all x_x

[@youngkingswagger]

Yes finally a bigger streamer talking about jagex corruption and the odablock situation

[@jecal2855]

Jagex is corrupt but oda deserves the ban

[@ajwilliams9800]

Look

[@youngkingswagger]

@@An.Unsought.Thought are you saying this isnt corruption? A player dating a moderator and using them like a magic wand to ban players??

[@darbstre2900]

​@@youngkingswagger he cheated

[@tranquilator1109]

@@jecal2855 he deserves a perma ban for something he did 2 years ago?

[@kinch-fd4np]

Asmongold trying to understand the basic nomenclature jargon of RuneScape reminds me of when Mark Zuckerberg stood before Congress and they grilled him about Cookies.

[@joshdoesntcare3939]

I would like to propose a hypothetical to Asmon. EVERYONE in the US breaks a law/code every now and then. Now think if you got into an argument with some random woman and she says "her boyfriend is the state prosecutor and Ill get your ass, just wait".. then all of sudden you have the book thrown at you because they retroactively found video/caught going 2mph over the speed limit from last year. Did you technically break a law? Yes, but clearly this was done out of a spite and born from a relationship that has a massive conflict of interest plus you find out that lady makes a profit when this happens. - yes owning up to your mild BS makes you look bad but I would do the same in Oda's position. I wouldn't try to pretend like I NEVER went over the speed limit in my life and just admit my mistakes then hope people see the corruption.

[@Harry-dh2pm]

Oda is a PKer on OSRS. PKing is not like PvP on other games. The enture gameplay is like throwing dirt in each other's faces and cheapshoting. You use spec weps with quick gear switches to spec out an opponent in a single game tick. It's highly skill based, and highly dishonesable. It's also often going after non PvPers who are tyring to farm bosses. Shooting fish in a barrel. Oda is the embodyment of PKing irl. Scammy, scummy, and hyperactive.

[@MagicalDuck]

Settled, who is another very popular face of the community with the most KZbin subs of OSRS content creators, is known to have account shared during his most popular series that he has on KZbin, Swampletics. Nothing has happened to him, nor any of his accounts. While Oda's past is murky within the community, he was certainly targeted for this ban. Jagex can either use this situation to create a precedent that account sharing is no longer allowed/no grey area, or they should give Oda his accounts back. Simple.

[@OdinWannaBe]

I agree

[@hentaable]

He shared the account with his girlfriend tho. Couldnt call it game breaking.

[@samisuhonen9815]

Yeah account sharing is not bannable when it is not harmful to the integrity of the game. Only where there is proof of a monetary transaction (or it is painfully obvious that the account is being boosted from like Venezuela, and only doing tedious activities there. Or maybe the account is played on time across the world, completes an incredibly hard challenge there, and never plays again from there). If you share an account with a friend, let your friend log in for you while you're away, or do stuff like that, that's okay as stated by Jagex. The gray area where it starts tipping over, is if you threaten the integrity of the hiscores by setting up like a team with rotating sleep schedules, so they can be logged in gaining exp all the time. This is actionable, as it threatens the integrity of the hiscore list. However, none of these account sharing or even paid boosting has ever resulted in permanent bans. It is always proportional to the size of the service. If you boost a hard achievement? it gets removed and you get maybe a week ban. If you pay someone to boost 100 hours worth of mining training, maybe a month or two banned. If you threaten the hiscores by account sharing around the clock, just a few weeks to let others take you over and let you know it won't be acceptable.

[@oxXStriFeXxo]

In the first place account sharing isn't against the rules, you can lend your account to your friend all you want and it's totally fine, what's not allowed is account "servicing" meaning that any kind of action on an account that is being paid for, is against the rules. Oda admitted his account had been "serviced" a long time ago, therefor he broke the rules, however the severity of this offence shouldn't apply a permanent ban to every account that he owns, especially if the other accounts had only been shared and not serviced. The real problem though isn't the Oda got banned, It's that Stella and Trident haven't faced any consequences when they have both been breaking rules that are genuinely compromising the integrity of the company and game as a whole.

[@EnteiFled]

Settled should've gotten a temp ban for dating a crazy BPD woman

[@metsmokers1354]

So apparently she only got a temp ban from all this. they ended up changing odas perma ban to a temp ban too. but trident being sued or removed from jagex completely seems like the right move here.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

1:26 you admitted you cheated. Permanent ban for you and all accounts associated with you. Done. Have a nice day!

[@fuckyoutube4398]

exactly

[@AlecCarlson]

The thing about account servicing having never resulted in a permaban sounds VERY wrong. Back in the day people got smacked down out of some of the PVM clans because they paid for someone to do their infernal cape.

[@jaepy3354]

OSRS nerd here. This is simply the most high profile case of a cycle that happens every 2-3 months in the osrs community where a content creator’s account is banned for cheating, the content creator denies the accusations, the larger community cries that the ban is surely false because jagex is “notorious” for passing down false bans (even tho we have very little to no evidence of such false bannings, only retractions of bannings following community backlash, and word-of-mouth stories from players’ whose accounts were supposedly falsely banned), and the ban is promptly reversed within 1-3 days. Every time this cycle comes around I’ve been skeptical as all hell of the content creators or players who were supposedly banned falsely, but I’ve never really voiced it much because the vast majority of the player base is fully convinced that jagex regularly passes down false bans on content creators and normal players alike. They believe this for, as far as I can tell, essentially no good reason, maybe at best that they just trust their fellow players and content creators who say that they weren’t cheating. Or because jagex has reversed many bans in the past, which as far as I can tell they only really tend to do in the face of widespread community backlash. The community, interestingly, explicitly interprets this as a statement against Jagex’s integrity and a reason to believe the bans are false. If you ask me, it stands out a lot more as a confounding factor in why the bans are being reversed, but I know most of my peers feel the opposite way about it. There’s a remarkably strong tendency in the osrs player base to default to trusting people who say their ban was passed down falsely, and to be honest, I’ve never heard another player get permed and not deny that they were cheating. Why wouldn’t they? Of course they weren’t actually cheating. It’s just another one of Jagex’s notorious false positives, right? In reality I believe there is a very strong possibility that osrs just has a large portion of the player base actively cheating and the company has given up on doing much about it because the community has expressed implicitly that they don’t want the rules enforced, especially against their content creators. It is what it is. Thanks for bringing an outside and fresh perspective to the table on this one it was refreshing to hear, even months after the fact.

[@YewJackOSRS]

Welp, we've made it boys. Asmon is reacting to the rs drama. 😅

[@BlueOsprey]

Jagex: We’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing.

[@Korksbebig]

​@@pixeljauntvr7774 what autism are you on about

[@jamestoth2594]

I got my lvl 70+ account permanently banned when I was 14 for "promoting hacking" yet the date they said it happened I was at school all day and wasn't allowed to play that day yet they kept the ban. Fuck runescape

[@Cofcos]

I tried Runescape a few months ago and was really getting into it but on the third day was banned. They claimed I was botting and the message on the account was very insufferable; something along the lines of 'our highly trained staff are never wrong'. Regardless, I appealed the ban and threatened a charge-back. But it was late Friday and they didn't get back to it until the next week whereupon they reversed the ban. By then my vibe had been completely lost, I was still mad at such an insufferable ban message-- not to mention mad at having been banned for the first time in 24 years of playing MMOs, and had decided that there is no way I could justify spending time in a game that could randomly ban me. So I did the chargeback on the unbanned account in order to get it banned... In other words: As an alum of EQ and Lineage 1/2 who had somehow managed to never try Runescape until recently, I was really liking its grindy aspects but it can go F itself...

[@antoniosaunders666]

Whatever happened to good old fashion armour painting scams and spamming macros on world 1 .

[@idxjdd]

I will Trim youre armour for you, no worries!

[@richardbell1427]

We leveled up our scamming to 99

[@mateo02211]

Had someone actually trade me trimmed armor when I was a noob lol

[@bleekeat4964]

As a actual follower of asmongold and osrs community I’ll summarize this for you. 1. Odablock was banned for account sharing which isn’t against tos (first person in RuneScapes 20 year history to be banned for it) 2. The mod that banned him is actually breaking the LAW…..and it’s overwhelming evidence 3. Jagex has never banned ANYONE for offenses from days ago…..so being banned for something that’s NOT AGAINST TOS….2 years ago is insane It’s blatant targeting because he’s threatening Stella’s and mod trident ILLEGAL income…. This is the equivalent of being perm banned for afking Alterac valley….2 years ago

[@thefool7621]

this one comment is better structured than the entirety of oda's vid lmao. tnx for the info tho

[@melquiadeez]

account servicing is against the rules. not account sharing. it's considered RWT

[@bleekeat4964]

@@melquiadeez yes that’s true but he was banned on accounts he didn’t service…and I could make the case that even account servicing has never truly been enforced since I remember openly on the forums people advertising fire cape services when I played as well as bots spamming power leveling ads that never received bans.

[@bigal6274]

I figured this out 12 mins in to the video.. almost 30 mins in and Asmon still struggling.. 5 head steamer.

[@oBlackIceo]

Oda is so creative🤣 “no armor pictures” “come together barrows gloves in hand”

[@CountDraccula]

Watching this video is painful, Asmon's lack of knowledge is so clear he is acting like there are "Gotcha" moments at the beginning when he has literally no idea wtf is being talked about

[@DadSensei]

moderation "dogging" type of corruption is real, of the 2 times in my life I have been part of moderation, I can tell you how dirty things can be. And this type of case in particular can sometimes be heard of even without being part of moderation

[@caesar8875]

Asmon is when mom asks questions during the movie instead of just watching and finding out

[@derspielmann4158]

But you are not watching a movie. You want him to just sit there and watch the 20 min video completely and then give his opinion?

[@kirururik]

go watch the original then cause we are here for his take

[@SuperBeast641]

@@derspielmann4158 Oh the thing every other react andy does? yes lmao the fact that you treat that as something outlandish is so weird.

[@SuperBeast641]

@@kirururik his take is dogshit when he pauses every 30 seconds to change his take or say the take he already made 30 seconds ago. Like what the fuck is wrong with him? Hes never been this bad.

[@Mrholysymbol]

​@@SuperBeast641 that's because most of those people are fucking boring and usually contribute nothing to the topic the good entertainers don't just sit and watch a video for 20 minutes that's stupid

[@Whitehalo117]

This is similar to the Eve Online drama back in the day. When the devs were caught giving extremely rare original blueprints of tech 2 ships (very expensive and OP at the time) to the alliance they were in. Usually blueprints of tech 2 ships are limited uses. The blueprints they were handing out had unlimited uses. The alliance was called Band of Brothers and this nearly destroyed the game.

[@generationxpvp]

🐝

[@YuJay]

I used RSBot before jagex destroyed it and before it went paid for 15+ years or more for farming and skill grinding, I sold accounts for literally hundreds of dollars that had zero human play time on it and none of my accounts got perma bans.. and before that I was selling botted Silk Road accounts..

[@krucialFPS]

I feel like the missing context here is that everyone kinda figured he was getting his accounts serviced, but no one ever really gets banned for it. So they only ban him when he starts messing with the Stella CC.

[@birthmarksback1840]

I think people are forgetting that jagex staff said they wouldn’t ban people for account sharing if it’s not RWT ( as in friends sharing account ) and Odablock showed a message saying he’s doing so, and the mod approved it. He didn’t break any rules

[@frozenpelt967]

Basically someone who was the wrong and admits to knowingly commit actions that are wrong should not be using "moral high ground" as the argument over someone else that's wrong, even if that someone's "more wrong" in comparison. The video would have been a fair criticism on the corruption if the whole "I got banned" part was fully omitted. The fact that corruption was brought up as a plead for an unban is ridiculous.

[@MariusNinjai]

Trident is gone

[@sunbrosolair8627]

I love how he jumps to conclusion 2 minutes into the Video and without having the whole picture.

[@fveafsw]

20 minutes in and my head hurts because of it.

[@truerequiem]

It's not hard for me to believe that someone who likes to break rules has a single account where they don't. There are times when you want to see how far you can go with it and other times you just want to sit down and play the game normally. It makes total sense to me.

[@iToxicMochi]

If this wasn't a content creator, this guy would be slapped with ban evasion.

[@Fuhness_]

100% this. Oda is sketchy as fuck but its extremely common for people’s alts in this game to get serviced/botted. Most people treat their mains differently and wouldn’t risk it.

[@truerequiem]

​@@greenfroggood2392 Don't even know what that is.

[@CelestialDesign]

I've had my cheat accounts and my non cheat accounts before. Sometimes people cheat on their specialty accounts, like pvp accounts, and don't cheat on their main.

[@truerequiem]

​@@Slawyes Exactly. I have put so much time on my account I wouldn't dare risk it. But I can totally see some people making other accounts to try and cheat somehow without their main being banned.

[@RsChrisG]

oda didnt get "IP banned" he got chain banned on his two best accounts. THE ACCOUNT HE LITERALLY SERVICED ISNT BANNED LOL

[@ChaddeusThaddeus]

Yeah every time he said IP ban I cringed lmao

[@TheBrowniesOwn]

this situation already happened in the show weeds. the main character is a female selling weed, had a cop boyfriend, who she got to legitimately bust her competition. just like this female pvper, has a mod boyfriend, who she gets to legitimately ban her competition.

[@joshizfly]

"i got scissors, i dont know what im gonna do with them but im PISSED" *IMMEDIATELY DROPS SCISSORS* ✂️✂️😂

[@thegurns6976]

"This is stupid enough to be worthy of my full attention." love it

[@m4ik45]

I ran from runescape years ago, cause of their mod problems already then and found "Lost Relics" few years ago to cleanse my thirst of skilling! Not really surprised trident has done what the accusations are. This has been happening almost since the start of adding mods into jagex with many weird bans back then already. Maybe people learn finally how easily the mods can be corrupted and in the end its just bots all around with no interest from jagex of stopping them. Run while you can! :D

[@Brane_Ded]

"I'm not a Bot, ill form an opinion." Pauses every 10 sec to form a new opinion. Pauses mid sentence to argue and change opinion again. Unpauses vid, oda finishes sentence, changes opinion again. Take it a couple min at a time. Too reactionary, adhd brain. You are capable of letting a video play while you form an opinion, I know you can. You have to be told 50 times to "keep watching", "let him cook", etc just to get you to continue watching it. Forming opinions on 2% of info.. weird He rwt in the past, true. He was a kid He rwt now, false. Its the mans career, his livelihood. Rwt would only lose him money irl

[@anthonytroiano3040]

Skip the first 10 minutes, he gets hung up on one instance that Oda misspoke and said “account service” instead of “account sharing”

[@WorldOfRuneterra]

The mod Jed story makes this one look tame. What happened with Mod Jed is insane.

[@idontevengame1]

this type of context is hard to understand if you dont play osrs. Oda has always been on the more scummy side of runescape in terms of the activities he partakes in, but most of those activities really shouldn't result in a perma ban.

[@Dizzeke]

"buying account services is bad" "buying things to no life the game" that is literally how rs3 works, you spend real life money and can max your account in record time as a result. the only difference is thats jagex making the profit and not some venezuelan.

[@unknowncompany4479]

the whole "different account bro" argument Is just hilarious, like.... Stop separating the account from the player. They are one and the same. It's not like you can get banned from chess competitions and just show up again in new clothes and with a different name and say "I'm a new person, I won't cheat like last time, trust me bro" and expect people to believe you, like..... Bro your a cheater. YOU are a cheater, not your account. You.

[@KylePedretty]

Both account unbanned, the Jagex employee was literally fired over this. You definitely don’t play RuneScape

[@FantasiA2K]

TLDW: 2 people who sell RS gold trying to get each other banned, but one of them is sleeping with a moderator

[@oxXStriFeXxo]

Just entirely wrong lmfao, 1 person who is selling thousands of dollar worth gold weekly/sleeping with mod vs 1 guy who paid for someone to spend some time killing npcs on his account.

[@TWEAKLET]

honestly dont think oda would sell gold buy it likely but hes normally the top osrs player with like 5k viewers that puts him head and shoulders about 98% of twitch streamers and likely making at least a million a year

[@KylePedretty]

Goofy

[@phoenixu18]

I lost it when he pulled out the scissors. ROFL

[@itzTheChachi]

In RuneScape, a lot of content creators break ToS with RuneScapes knowledge that they’re doing it for some purpose that isn’t abuse. If we ban this guy then a lot of content creators should be banned.

[@KillingDemons]

This Stella girl used to sell webcam streams for Runescape gold back in 2012 lol

[@eduardoborges506]

I dont play runescape no idea who any of these guys/girls are. Everything looks shady. The guy looks shady, the girl too. Imo everyone gets banned and the guy gets fired, problem solved.

[@canadianGuitatist]

Im only 11 mins into the video/vod clip... But so far it seems like asmond was in a very spicy mood when he watched this

[@maximecatreau3601]

Tbh, as illogical as it is, NOT servicing your main account while servicing others makes sense to me as an OSRS player. Your main is your baby, u no-life it and u care about collectibles, achievements, etc. So u dont want to jeopardize it. Meanwhile you occasionally wanna goof off on some random account or try weird shit, but u dont care about it, so u pay for servicing, and u dont really spend much time on it or care if its banned. It may be a thing line, but to me it makes perfect sense. My cousin did the same thing, and while i didnt get it serviced, i had no problem sharing my secondary accounts, but never my baby, my main ironman.

[@tasbirmiah5247]

Im not a pker at all and just a completionist but from my understanding it just sounds like jagex is pretty relaxed with the rules and there are socially acceptable ways of breaking the TOS like servicing your account. Would that be correct?

[@alexwaite9913]

It's crazy how Asmon violently wades between one of the most down to Earth people who can see some things from a view that others can't, to a blithering moron that is so fixated on pointless details and completely misses the point of what's being said.

[@Baratheon.]

I think your stream had an influence of Jagex deigning to publicly address the situation. I have a distinct impression this would've been shoved under the rug as no big deal, if not for the heavy community backlash. The main source (Odablock) is a very difficult person to like. Jagex probably share that view. I don't think this case is 'an appearance of corruption' , which can be as bad as corruption itself. I think its plain as day obvious collusion, profiteering, and dirty dealing.

[@ovapwa]

100%

[@lilericsilva]

Jagex doesn't seem to ban bots because it will kill the game like it did in the previous bot massacre in rs3. Literally every minigame died because there were no bots to play with

[@JuisSekasi]

in osrs 301 free to play world like 60% of players are bots XD you go to ge there is 30 venezuelan bots begging, other 30 running gambling advertisement and scams, steve bots running around, you just wait at any bank and there is swarm of bots depoing every 15 minutes.

[@Myleod]

i never purchased services on my account.... 10 seconds later - i purchased services on my account lololol