[OLD] The Tragic History of Sonic’s Fandom - The Fandom Files

Throughout the many years of its existence, the Sonic fandom has always gotten a bad rap, the question is, does it deserve it?
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[@mayamaliceart]

One time, my friend hung her sonic plushie from her bed with a scarf until a good game came out. She finally took him down though, but it was hilarious.

[@multifandomfangirl9664]

That's pretty creepy... Thanks she took it down (probably after Sonic Mania)

[@cuttlefishebooks4272]

Did she hang it again after *sonic forces?*

[@ahmadkazan7994]

@@cuttlefishebooks4272 team sonic racing,crush 40's comeback.

[@_Josper_]

Wtf lol

[@annakozuki8950]

"No oxygen for you until a good game comes out, BITCH"

[@liagotosleep264]

I hate when people sexualize Cream the rabbit, SHE'S 6 ;^; My favourite character is Cream I love her gameplay

[@thekosgator7502]

RAVIOLI RAVIOLI DONT LEWD THE RABBIT LOLI

[@zelectrode3337]

Though Cream isn't my favorite Sonic character, I feel the same way. So not only do we have perverts in the fandom, we have pedophiles.

[@zelectrode3337]

@@thekosgator7502 Exactly! ^v^

[@mrbisshie]

I can't look at Cream the Rabbit the same ever again, after I seen THAT comic. You know the one I'm talking about.

[@sekani9761]

And Sonic is 14! This is literally child pornography!

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

*YOU FRICKING FRICKS, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN*

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

*I'VE OFFICIALLY LOST MY MARBLES*

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

*IT'S NO USE!*

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

Nicholas Morgan. *YOUR FANTASIZES CAN NEVER BE QUENCHED CAN THEY!?*

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

Oz. *HECC*

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

Oz. *NU*

[@bonzibuddy9316]

Too bad the Sonic movie has to disturb the peace.

[@acefloridaman]

I know 😓

[@PigBoy99]

Why can’t my name be only one word? Idk I think it looks good.

[@centaurigamer9156]

Nope

[@centaurigamer9156]

Fandom wars 3 : Coming soon....

[@gamemasterpzm]

But atleast they will change sonics movie design!

[@khfan4life365]

As a Sonic fan, this part of the fandom broke my innocence. I could have lived my whole life without seeing Sonic and Shadow...canoodling. I wasn’t even looking for it. The internet has always hated me. 🤢

[@reikenator]

khfan4life365 Agreed. Some of those amvs probably fucked me up in the head

[@idealistic6440]

I know how you feel lmfao

[@ksmart1235]

That happened to me too and you're right the fanbase is terrible, I like the Sonic series. But I remember seeing these videos where Cream is getting steroids to get muscular, and seeing a video (as of Sonic Volume 5) where Dr. Eggman exposes his naked body in front of sonic, those parts were cringy and horrendous.

[@lxstfulgrxvestone69420]

I can agree,sonadow is the worst ship (to me atleast)

[@inciniumz4671]

Same bro. The internet is a reflection of humanity. We can see the good parts, or the bad parts. I've seen some real bad parts.

[@nomorethischannelisnomore.2902]

*B A S E S* that's all I can say.. *B A S E S* oh, so many bases.

[@stanczyka2407]

Faces ah faces so many faces :>

[@abandoned---channel-o7b]

I use bases but im trying to make my own style.

[@ThraggReal]

Shade-ow the half demon hedgehog Oc dont steal

[@pixelbucket8884]

I have nothing against people using bases to get themselves going, but those who do everything on bases need to move on.

[@OhGoodieGumdrops]

Every fandom has bases

[@kurisu7885]

I'm surprised you never mentioned how Chandler actually assaulted a Gamestop employee over the color of Sonic's arms.

[@punknight427]

kurisu7885 how have I been a Sonic fan for 16 years and not once heard of this dude?

[@kurisu7885]

You're not he only one, I only ever heard of him when the news came out about him assaulting Gamestop employees.

[@DragonArbock]

I don't know why anyone takes the actions of someone who for real does not have a fully-functioning brain, and assumes that behavior is how normal fans act. But, given how people act on the internet, maybe more people would act like that irl if there were no consequences there either.

[@kurisu7885]

Personally I think part of it is that the nutcases grab the spotlight os it gives too many their only frame of reference while looking no further into anything.

[@fleefie]

He. Was. Right.

[@soapydoap]

*o w t h e e d g e*

[@multifandomfangirl9664]

*h o w t h e e d g e*

[@mewrrium6301]

*O w It H u r t s*

[@no-better-name]

sup ma sun sup ma ma son the hedge o w t h e h e d g e

[@beetayeeta1353]

*I n f i n i t e e d g e*

[@hurt4322]

*t h e e d g e o h g o d*

[@zebby9268]

Honestly, no one hates the sonic fandom more than people in the fandom

[@ilikestars5480]

FACTS

[@tylercafe1260]

STFU. Rpgmongers fanbase is the worst :/

[@LoliconSamalik]

Oh hell yes.

[@TheJuicyJediJester]

Turquoise Totodile that's every fandom mate

[@CybernikTheHedgehog]

What about the hypocrite Mario fandom that keeps saying that Sonic is the worst thing ever made?

[@TaxiBot]

9:51 Christian Weston Chandler: the human being that should never been brought (by any terms) into the minds of Sonic fandom

[@Purplebowlingball]

Honestly the other day I was wondering why the sonic fandom was so hated. Besides a bit of porn, cringe and edgelords it was mostly fine....then I I remembered Chris. The embodiment of everything wrong with the fandom

[@TaxiBot]

@EnriqueLovinLife You mean in terms of insulting?

[@somedudenamedaaron3239]

Oh wait.....HIM

[@moonstone6133]

even before clicking on the video, i just KNEW chris chan was gonna get mentioned somewhere

[@Acecard-jl2py]

It's not the porn, it's the fetishes that are *somehow* very common within the fandom. I understand most fandoms have porn with creepy fetishes, but for some strange reason Sonic's fandom is LOADED with them. I would say there is more fetish porn than vanilla(Normal) porn in the fandom. In other words, it shows how unhinged the sonic fanbase really is.

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

Austin Grider Is there actual data to your claims.

[@lurkinlikeaboss]

This comment thread is proof of how aggressive the fandom is, chill man its an animated hedgehog on speed

[@priicklle]

This is honestly an excellent video. I just LOVE how you actually focus on the gaming side of the fandom, not the side with the oc's and the weird fan-art, something that literally everyone's done a video on, and people are tired of hearing. But this. I love it. And I love how you make sure to let everyone know that not all of us sonic fans are bad. Very informative!

[@GANONdork123]

It's not really the matter of the weird porn/fetish "art" that gives the fanbase it's awful reputation. It's part of it, but it's not the full picture. It's a combination of a number of things; 1. Chris Chan and other infamous Sonic fans - I don't think I need to reiterate what you said in the video. 2. the Sonic Defense Squad - Whenever a popular KZbinr makes a video where they criticize a Sonic game, read through the comments, you'll usually see more people crying for the defamation of said KZbinr for daring to criticize a Sonic game. When the huge hatedom around Sonic began to form, many Sonic fans began to feel overwhelmed by the hate that the series was getting, and began to become overly defensive, not unlike how many Nintendo fans started acting when the "mainstream" gaming audience started labeling Nintendo games as "only for little kids", or when the Wii U flopped and fans had to defend the console to self-validate their purchasing of it. 3. the Sonic series's own bad image - Sonic is seen by the general consensus to be a bad series by many people. Games like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, and Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric display this perfectly. 4. the porn - it does exist, it's very common, and just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't common. 5. Terrible OCs and recolors - It's practically a meme at this point how many cringe worthy Sonic OCs are out there. It's to a point where people have made a game of going on Google Images and searching (your name here) the Hedgehog. Many of the fandoms considered "bad" and "cancerous" are considered as such for this exact same reason. The Sonic fandom was just the first to popularize it. 6. The long dead console war between SEGA and Nintendo - Even though SEGA went 3rd party almost 20 years ago, people still argue over Mario and Sonic and which one is superior. I'm not kidding. 7. Typical overly obsessive fandom stuff - shippers, kids acting like kids, bad fan art, some fans being waaay to into the series, the porn side could technically fit in here, but there are enough "toxic" fandoms without that porn element that it is unique enough to stand out from here. At this point now, the Sonic fandom is kind of a mess. Fans arguing with haters, Classic Sonic purists, Adventure game purists, and Boost game purists all arguing with each other, People who like the old "Archie Sonic" canon, those who like the Japanese classic Sonic canon, those who like the modern Sonic era canon all arguing, Boost fans arguing with boost fans over the quality Sonic Forces, Boost fans arguing over Sonic Colors's quality, classic Sonic fans arguing over Sonic CD's quality, this list goes on and on with the current and constant conflicts within the community. This is why people say that the Sonic fandom can never be pleased, and it's quickly becoming one of the main reasons people consider the fandom bad.

[@ultra624s2]

Ganondork There are still so many kinds of Sonic fans that you haven't covered.

[@core_file374]

People do think Nintendo is for kids. Which is in fact not true as it targets all ages, it just isn't your everyday edgy fps that rips off PUBG, ratchet and clank, TF2, L4D2 and CSGO at the same time while making up a random name that makes absolutely no sense and an overpowered gimmick that is at the same time weak if used correctly (which means you must exploit to win). God i hate fortnite.

[@ketrub]

Ultrahyper SM basically - its a fucking warzone

[@tho4life611]

I don’t get how people could not like sonic colors.

[@Spectre-69]

The Akai Dalia drama was actually blown way out of proportion by Sonic 93 and the Princess Elizabeth drama, while Erin did do inexcusable things, it was heavily one sided and she has long since changed. I don't know anything about Princess Elizabeth, but Akai/Cobalt's OC was never a Mary Sue, Sonic 93 just called her that because she was dating both Sonic and Shadow at the time the fact that Sonic often protected her when she didn't have her weapon equipped which is a normal thing any sane individual would do, and she kept comparing her to Amy just because they're the same gender and species and she kept mistaking Jane's red fur for a nonexistent color of pink.

[@Yukari_MAiG]

Hatedoms definitely are what ruin the experience for so many series and community. They keep whining that it makes them look like the big part of the community, even though they are not....

[@arthas640]

Star Wars 1-3 are the biggest example of a hatedom derailing a good franchise. When the Star Wars sequel trilogy came out people were literally lined up around the block to see the movie and they were some of the first movies i can remember where people i knew went to see it in theaters multiple times. then in the late 2000's/early 2010's people started going back and critizicisng it more and more, with the hate only gaining momentum as time went on. In the beginning 90% of the criticism was levied at Jar-Jar and a few corny lines and lame plot points, but for the 5 years or so people have retroactivly acting like they're horrible movies, even if they're the same people who saw it in theaters 2 or 3 times with their friends. They're a low point in the star wars theatrical franchise, but they were still great movies for the time and it's only since the CGI has become dated that people have grown to loathe the series.

[@RandomTwat]

CatandBonez You could have made a good point, too bad your behaviour ruined it completely. Look at what you write before you accuse someone else of what you're also doing.

[@lukebytes5366]

+froggie animation you DO know that hatedoms are literally created to trash the fandom right?

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

★ Froggie Animation ★ Hatedoms often ruin the things that say that are bad.

[@smileymctrashbag]

CatandBonez I R O N Y

[@spinobimkiii7443]

Of all the bad things that I experienced in the Sonic Fanbase, the worst one for me was the ship-wars on Deviantart. And granted, Ship-Wars aren’t exclusive to Sonic, but the Sonamy-Sonally shipwar was one I was apart of and blindly fought in. I supported Sonally and Sally Acorn because I loved SatAM and the comics, and Amy Rose/Sonamy fans were assholes and the enemy. All the constant back and forth about Amy being an annoying brat who only thought of Sonic and nothing else and Sally being a non-canon, stuck-up bitch who slapped Sonic because she was selfish was the norm. There was the group’s dedicated to hating one of the characters and ships, poorly drawn fan art of one killing the other, and those damn “girl-next-door” videos on KZbin that portrayed one as a helpless victim and the other as a superstar. It was war propaganda for children and it’s hilarious to think about it, all these years later. And then, one day, something clicked in my head. I thought about how Amy and Sally interacted in the comics, where they were good friends, and I realized how dumb all this arguing over who was better was. I realized that I didn’t even really hate Amy, I was more upset at her fans and their behavior that had angered me. It also made me realize how wrong I was about these ships, and how there were jerks on both sides. So I took my shit and pretty much left deviant-art for good. That whole experience made me never want to ship again, and I barely ship anymore because of that. All that aside, it is thanks to the Sonic fandom that I became a fan of many content creators, played fun fangames and romhacks through the years, and met people who are still my close friends to this very day.

[@tabletaussendienst2721]

Dutchy DerpBox those people who worship sonic satam like the Messiah and bash the other shows the fetishes the Amy and Sally Acorn waarr

[@lalalalover4547]

Dutchy DerpBox so I'm not the only one who remember the girl next door amv videos

[@NeutralNinetails]

I'm upset he didnt talk about bad shipping and fanfictions when he will spend whole episodes in it for other fandoms. It looks like there's a whole section edited out or something.

[@NeutralNinetails]

He also didnt even talk about sonic boom.

[@canine8284]

doesn't RPG Monger focus most of his time on the less-than-1% of the fandom?

[@pearlyp9898]

I'm glad he didn't complain about the 'cringe' shipping and stuff, cause those things happen in every fandom which has young kids. It's just young kids having fun. If you don't like it, don't go searching or clicking on the content.

[@lildandelionlily]

that's basically porn tbh. he mentioned something like that.

[@vanslickereviews8435]

Pearly P actually and honestly I'm 16 and have a lot of older friends and they ship people more than younger friends I have so in my experience it's usually older fans who ship.

[@humiddanny1212]

* flashbacks to the time I was a cribgey Sonic fan * IT'S TIME TO END IT A-

[@ironmaster6496]

It's even worse when you actually LOVE the Franchise and the character....but that fucking fandom has turned sonic into one of the most despised videogame franchises/characters, and that just SUCKS

[@JoeDaBoi]

SoNiC fAnS gOtTa *LIVE AND LEARN*

[@SalineCoelacanth]

I have a "friend" who believes that the Sonic Fandom is only full of cringey ocs and fanart, so when they found out that I really liked Sonic, they poked fun at me constantly. I just went with it for a while because I know that there is some of that cringey stuff, but then again, doesn't every fandom have cringey things in it? Anyway, it eventually got to a point where I started to feel like a lesser person simply because I was a Sonic fan. I felt like I was just really annoying to all my friends whenever I talked about it. I even made my own oc because I really like designing characters and I would poke fun at myself saying "Wow, look I have a Sonic oc because I'm trash!" I still feel like this a little and I still have feelings that I am lesser for being a Sonic fan. But it has gotten better. One of my friends who initially didn't really care about Sonic began to show some interest. This friend also never judged me for being a Sonic fan and actually wanted to draw my oc. I am so happy that you made this video because so many people only look at the bad things in this fandom. It's nice to see someone actually show that this fandom is not a giant pile of cringe and trash, that there are actually nice people. And especially with the ocs because I am tired of everyone saying "All Sonic OCS are bad!" because I have seen plenty that are amazing. Again, thank you for making this video.

[@EA-bv8zk]

RainbowSkunk Dude... i feel your pain trust me.

[@o4brothers]

I find OCD cringe and trash, but everyone likes something that is cringe and trash. So most cases are just it is not for me type of thing as I see it.

[@Bandit74100]

Heh, Typical Sonic Fan. Well. I guess i cannot say anything that means criticizing your profile picture or The OC's you probably draw (coughcoughcoughRainbowmarysuescoughcoughcough) because you will attack me in blind rage and i will ignore you since i do not care if i start a flame war.

[@SalineCoelacanth]

Bandit74100 no, I completely understand. I've actually been meaning to change my profile picture for a while. My pic actually has no relation to my oc but I understand where you're coming from. Unlike the bad sonic fans, I actually try to stay calm

[@spartanwar1185]

OCs can't easily exist on their own, which is why i have plans for this sort of thing "Show, don't tell" they say Because no-one will instantly like or respect any person or character In order for an oc to become likeable the audience must feel for or understand the character I plan on making a story where 4 characters are placed into a war between the dark and mobians, the latter one is losing And not just in physical confrontation, even being in the same atmosphere as the dark enemies makes everyone emotionally weaker These 4 are not saving the war, they're only doing what they can to stop the end However with the right actions and the consideration of others they can unite against the dark It doesn't sound like much now But remember, it's always better to show rather than tell And i can't exactly show yet...

[@rogueishcharm]

10:45 "Changing into a better person" Hey uh looks like he's laughing at a dead child in that post there

[@marche800]

Sonic Purist: Am I out of touch?...No it is the children that are wrong.

[@AgentKyo]

As incredibly well done this video is & refreshingly for someone to actually defend the fandom for once, I wish you mention that another major problem for the fandom is the critics. People like IGN are incredibly vocal about their disdain towards Sonic. I expected much more professionalism from these called "game journalist & critic."

[@CandyApples4ever]

AgentKyo Yea critics turn outsiders away from the Sonic series with their fallacies.

[@daspoboy2781]

Don't forget Game Grumps

[@RadaxianShuffle]

Oh Boy here we go Nice thumbnail btw. :)

[@feralpupboy]

I used to be friends with a girl but her obsession with Sonic ruined our relationship. Once she found out that I didn't really like Sonic she began sending me pictures and fanfiction featuring LOTS of porn. She used anonymous accounts to publicly send me porn pictures on every social media account I had, resulting in lots of awkward questions coming from my friends and even my parents! She went to get lengths to ruin my life using Sonic porn. She eventually began putting printed out porn in my backpack and locker at school! Luckily she was caught and expelled from school, and I haven't heard from her since.

[@mafiousbj]

Too bad you left out Ken Penders' lawsuits regarding the extended Echidna family and how somehow he managed to direct the Sonic Archie comics and basically turn the kids comics into an erotic furry fan fiction being published nationwide, the whole case is creepy and hilarious ^^

[@billcipher2604]

MafiousBJ Well, that didn't have much to do with the fandom. it wasn't divided about it. Literally every person in the fandom was angry at Penders for being such a stupid manchild

[@loiiysailor1177]

The sonic fan base is hell I mean I care less about the porn, the shipping wars, I care about the war between classic fans, the adventure fans, and the modern fans trust me dude is madness being a sonic fan is not easy

[@papabones8753]

No actual mention of Sonichu? DISAPPOINTED! What annoys me about the Sonic fandom is the amount of "fanart" that is pushed into all types of fandoms. People thought MLP was bad...Sonic has way more crossovers. It's just not for me, I know that and that's why I'd rather not be annoyed by it(thank god there exists filters). Oh and about the porn: Weirdly enough the Sonic fandom is the most deviant one out there. I haven't seen this much vore, feet fetishs, inflation and other degeneracy. Not judging(hey, at least it's not NTR) but it has to be mentioned imho.

[@papabones8753]

InfernoDukem Haven't checked Deviantart have you? They got tons of Sonic fetish stuff from smelly feet to diaper shitting...there's also the infamous comic with pedo Tails eating shit out of baby diapers. Also "occasional art of Tails getting cucked by Sonic" SO THERE IS NTR! Nopenopenope.

[@papabones8753]

InfernoDukem Doesn't have to be explicit to be disgusting. Also ever heard of things being tagged weirdly? I've come across weird shit because I didn't exclude certain tags when I search for stuff...now I do. I'm just saying there's some weird shit out there and the Sonic fandom is a huge part of it. But hey as long as it's not that Pedo Tails eating shit or NTR I don't really care as I can simply ignore/blacklist/filter it.

[@billnyetherussianspy1596]

Arguably most infamous fandom ever, at least for video games You all know the most toxic movie and cartoon fandom

[@milesprower2944]

NO WAIT LET ME GUESS!! Star Wars and Steven Universe?

[@billnyetherussianspy1596]

@@milesprower2944 I can't 100% tell you without a fire war happening but *PERHAPES*

[@AmberLB93]

Attack on Titan and Bethesda games (Fallout and Elder Scrolls) have the worst fandoms. The Sonic fandom is a chill alternative to those by a long shot. The fandoms I listed are so obnoxious they spaz out on people who aren't in their fandoms, over ridiculous reaches. At least Sonic fans generally stay in their lane. Those ones are intrusive upon outsiders. I'm not kidding I've been spazzed out on by a Fallout fanboy because I mentioned a *date* and they were like "THAT DATE IS FROM FALLOUT" then wouldn't stop bothering me about it. And then there was the time a Skyrim fanboy thought me mentioning the name Hrothgar was a Skyrim reference and not to, I don't know, *the poem Beowulf which has existed for over a thousand years longer than a fad video game* ?? The main sin of the Attack on Titan fandom is simply that if you draw anything body horror, anything, it looks like a titan, no matter how much it doesn't look like a titan in the slightest if it's a body horror creature using human features it's a titan to them. *Attack on Titan does not have as bad of a fandom as the Bethesda games but they still, on a smaller scale, pretentiously assume that generic ideas are a reference to their thing and not real life or classical mythology, so I'm still calling them out for it* I don't consume those series and I never will because the fanbases made me hate them with every fiber of my being. The fandoms are so delusional they think that every little thing in those series is original to them, even generic tropes and things ripped straight from real life. I don't see this kind of behavior from stereotypically "bad" fandoms like FNaF, Undertale, MLP, etc., which is why I'm calling out these two (three? the bethesda fanboys are all the same idiot so idk) fandoms because they are a special kind of bad but don't get the hate they deserve for how obnoxious they are.

[@Lynxthejonin]

Your experiences are definitely valid. I guess I don't really pay attention to those two fandoms even if I enjoy both games.

[@Coco-hq8vt]

When I see sonic, I immediately think of chris-chan

[@NewEvolutionTime]

Pastel Monster I think of Sammy classic Sonic fan. I'm surprised he didn't mention him

[@GTdba]

AND JCTheHyena with Sonic.exe. That dude is..."charming"

[@MGSDude01]

Because that’s what people love to do. Judge the entire fandom or series because of 1 or 2 f’ed up cringe drawings. Totally see the logic in that.

[@InVinoVeratas]

^ you have to admit, the ones that stand out, *_Really Stand out._* Like even beyond normal standards of mainstream fandoms not involving video game, anime, or cartoon characters. These fans make any mainstream fans seems dignified in their hair sniffing and trash collecting from celebrities.

[@flakkid9018]

I wouldn't be surprised if "Monger the Hedgehog" existed already.

[@MoonyVoid]

You should do the gacha fandom *shudders*

[@sypenn2502]

The worst fandom I have ever seen.

[@thesniffler5]

@leksos gru *pukes very loudly and screams*

[@gachalibra9243]

We don't talk about that.

[@neuravanny]

As a gacha myself, I wanna leave that fandom, because of some people

[@NeoGraena]

The Mario fanbase also has a bad side

[@NeoGraena]

For example: the people who makes wendy o koopa porn along with bowser porn

[@jowysw]

1:24

[@Opentil10]

Oh btw do not look up mario joystick porn.....DO NOT

[@LordNightmare47]

But still better than the bad side of the Sonic fanbase.

[@johnjohnson392]

*(cough cough)* BOWSETTE

[@toxiccrusader4880]

Can you please talk about the overwatch and legend of Zelda fandom

[@rabburtt1841]

y e s p l e a s e

[@pidgeydoodles7549]

or steven universe?... (i really like the show, but the fandom is shit)

[@tiruliru1189]

Or maybe... MLP fanbase. I love MLP but I hate the fanbase.

[@ksmart1235]

Even the SML fanbase, also left the fandom and left SML months ago.

[@GojiBoiEarth1964]

No one: Sonic team: *makes a sonic game* Sonic fan base: *everybody dislikes that*

[@thebonecollector3085]

1:33 that's what rule 34 states "if it exists there's porn of it"

[@weiwuxianmybeloved8658]

Omg I remember hating Sally so much I used to draw an X in her face in my comics lmao

[@dannystavs2003]

This believes me to think that you used to be a rabid Sally Acorn hater.

[@ohheckohno3666]

sonic x was my childhood but y'all these fantards needed to stop eons ago

[@ksmart1235]

Sonic X was my childhood too

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

*IT'S NO USE!*

[@viancamartinez8602]

pause at 2:59 *HOLY HECK IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE*

[@YoshiBros1389]

I came in to this thinking it was going to be another, ThE sONiC fAnDoM iS hOrIbLe. But it wasn't and it was great.

[@unshackled2907]

I was expecting a video about the sonic vs community because that's the part I've been most exposed to, I was also expecting Mario to be in this video alot more.

[@djroscurro9859]

Damn. I've stayed away from my boy Sonic for so long I haven't realized the heat surrounding him has calmed down. Maybe I can be less skeptical about talking about him now.

[@jamiewillkner8742]

I left Sonic Fandom after the Princess Sally hatedom began.

[@hiroaritillwhen4581]

Could you rate Touhou fandom for me? I know there is dark side like with everything, but I really don't encounter it that much. Like, yes lot of doujinshi porn is Touhou, but only because Touhou is (probably) hugest on this scene, and majority of Touhou-related stuff is cozy and sfw, WHICH IS UNUSUAL for doujin works. I mean, I'm touhou fanboi, fite me. Also we are somehow elitists and even ironically hating anime (and in non-ironic way we're hating commercialization). Also could you show how bad could be Zelda fandom, marioboys or rpgmaker dudes? (provocative!)

[@mish1195]

TOUHOU PORN TOUHOU CHARACTER = LOLI CHARACTERS LOLI = LITTLE GIRL TOUHOU PORT IS ILLEGAL CONFIRMED

[@hiroaritillwhen4581]

They actually trade this stuff in Japan on Comic Market, so its not illegal at least there. Also most Touhou characters age is not specified, some defined as lolis by fans, while others as mature women.

[@gaminevilmushroom7571]

The reason the creepy stuff is worse than other fandom's is because most of the characters are children

[@robinchesterfield42]

2D? 3D? Green eyes, black eyes? I don't give a BEEP, as long as it's colourful and fun. And has a kick-ass catchy soundtrack. Also, the guy ranting about how "Eggman, is that what we're calling him now?!" cracks me up, 'cos...dude? That's not part of the "OMG THE NEW STUFF IS RUINING EVERYTHING!" at all, but, like...the character's _original_ name?

[@khandapwner6805]

I think the reason people hate the sonic fandom that it was the first major fandom that had these bad eggs. A lot of stuff in bad fandoms today were created by the sonic fandom, like cosplay, fanfic, etc.

[@tailsrhtatonslice1418]

don’t you just love it when something you genuinely enjoy is ruined by the fandom

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

Sonic's Fandom wouldn't have such a tragic history, if Sonic Team of both Japan and America had agreed that the only three Sonic Games worth playing are Sonic 1 and 2 Mega Drive and Sonic Chaos Master System. No more Sonic the Hedgehog Games afterwards. This would have kept the fandom alive for many years to come.

[@drakath5727]

I always have loved the 3D games and surprisingly the impact the purists had on Modern Sonic’s attitude in games like Forces where even after according to the US version stated he was being tortured to pass time, he was all smug and chill like the animations like Sodam and AoSTH when he was accidentally freed. This is also present in the quality of the games as SEGA loses faith more and more because of the purists, and guess what? I gladly can say this after what I see in SEGA currently. If what you people want is mindless cash grabs like mania plus’s DLC or a black eyed sonic, then do know that MANIA is the game for people like you. Now go enjoy future paywall games as that is your thing.

[@ultragaming4962]

eh, sonic isnt all that great. *_SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE FURIOUSLY TYPING..._*

[@Twinklethefox9022]

W.. what have you done you fool!!! Can't you hear them coming for us with pitchforks?! (J.k. btw.)

[@traktor420]

WHAT?! HOW ARE YIY INSULT MY SENPAI! I DEDICATED MY LIFE TO SONIC AND MY OC EGDEY THE HEDGELORD! I HAVE BEEN TRUING TO GET A GIRLFRIEND FOR MONTHS, WITH MY OC! YOU’RE SUCH A FRIKKIN FRIK!

[@eslm-studios2996]

I'll be honest, I think the Sonic fandom is better off divided like this, and why? Because you can't please everyone, and when you try to or just focus on the hate, you're more or less asking for trouble later. At least when it came to the Sonic Movie, Mr Fowler was willing to hear the fans and went back, called for Mr Hesse and redesigned our beloved hero. However, while it was good to go back and redesign Sonic, the way the fans reacted to his first design... my disappointment with the fandom as a whole couldn't be overstated because there were fans sending death threats, demanding for a redesign, wouldn't even give the film a chance and going as far as making hate deviations of them in graves because they died of seeing human teeth for Sonic. (for that, I just feel that's as petty as Sonic's green eyes. Yes, the old design may have been unbearable, but let's be honest here. What's a worse Sonic? The old design, or making a design of a hedgehog in trainers that just happen to fit them? *and when I say that, I mean as in an actual hedgehog*) Furthermore, what you said on the Deviantart area, that, I can back up. I'm a member on DA and have been within the Sonic fandom since 2015 till 2019 because I couldn't take anymore of the pettiness. Half of the people I've encountered on DA are as petty as let's say, Amy being desperate for Sonic to marry her. There are some that'll shove their shippings down your throats till you choke as well, and most of these would be SonAmy, Sonally, I think you can figure out the rest, and some even going as far as saying certain characters aren't good just for one bad thing. Like not long ago, I encountered with this deviant who hated Sally and when he tried to make excuses, he said Sally didn't respect any of her friends. So untrue. What I have to ask is how can these people live with themselves knowing that in the end, their arrogance and pettiness will get them nowhere and in the future, they'll be looked back as some of the worst people or fake fans in the community?

[@maxwellschmidt235]

Missing a console was the biggest reason for the fandom demise... sonic was supposed to be synonymous with sega, like mario to nintendo. Every time nintendo makes a new platform, the initial game offering has a few that have mario et al. The reason this matters is that letting the casual fandom spin away left fewer moderating voices behind.

[@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN]

I'm honestly thinking if I should ditch this fandom. Sonic fans act like complete jackasses and attack you for YOUR OPINIONS. For example, if I like a Sonic game they don't like, they are going to stalk me across different websites until I agree with them. I'm not even joking.

[@virustheglitch9836]

Those ‘Sonic Elitists’ sound an awful lot like the genwunners from Pokémon

[@scoop1897]

I remember I played sonic Mania and felt like I was playing in the 1900’s Cause I was born in the 2010’s

[@dannystavs2003]

I don't get it.

[@queendemona3243]

I have an avatar based of Sonic with a clever backstory but never used it other than as an intro character for my animations (my shame), haven't really used him in 9 years; I kinda moved on from making fan characters for the Sonic world. Let's face it guys Sonic is cool no matter what year we're on

[@rattrott4536]

Ive always found it funny when people get angry about Dr. Eggman's name being Dr. Eggman and not Robotnik because it was always Eggman in japan (which had the first sonic game before the u.s.

[@d34dh4v3n]

"The Dreamcast" Me: *JET SET RADIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!*

[@dannystavs2003]

Ey! I actually have that game!

[@slowpokefriedrice]

I remember back in the late 2000’s my cousin believed he was an actual real life Sonic. He ran fast, loved chili dogs, etc. He even had Chaos Emerald toys and messed around with them everyday. He’s out of the phase now but it was a little strange.

[@anamatronicattack9179]

FUN FACT: SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG'S GAMEPLAY CAME FROM A FAN ASKING SONIC TO USE A GUN! we all know how that went....

[@SeekerLancer]

According to Sega anyway. I feel like maybe they were trying to shift the blame.

[@OhGoodieGumdrops]

Technically it’s also the time period since shooting guns (FPS) were big in that day.

[@dannystavs2003]

ＩＲＯＮＹ

[@krisjolt]

@@SeekerLancer shush

[@friedrice_toilet_gaming]

The better thing would be is GTS

[@TheNyleve16]

Those who hate fandoms because of the porn made out of it seem to forget rule 34.

[@Opentil10]

Btw there the same thing...lol Woosh

[@speedwheel1807]

Thats it dude. Its rule 34 that corrupts fanbases and when that porns existence is made extremely public to people in the fanbase, it becomes a real problem.

[@Rosie_Cozy]

i use rule34 (im 13 XD)

[@cesarvera2198]

Nyleve A. Vanger if you hate a fandom because of porn you might as well hate every fandom

[@browniesskies]

and 34.2 (if it exists, there’s a pony of it)

[@whiteshirt9074]

*SHADOW THE EDGEHOG HAS A FCKING GUN* - For PS2

[@TheAmazingDoorknob]

No he's called edgy the edgehedge

[@polybent9748]

White Shirt oh yeah he’s got a gun on GameCube too

[@nuclearshorts1243]

ow the edge

[@idontreallyknowtbh2922]

When....when will you learn..... *THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!*

[@Madhattersmatter]

*Sammyclassicsonicfan reference*

[@SmartAlec1]

I just realized the genuinely tragic irony of that statement.

[@somedragonlover2461]

This is a beautiful sammyclassicsonicfan reference

[@asubaruthathatesexistance6871]

(Screams and dances in an immature way)

[@Jay-qn8lm]

CatandBonez Chill, it’s a joke. 😂

[@holaburger6075]

For someone who used Sonic X pics every 5 seconds you never even mentioned this anime once.

[@Twinklethefox9022]

Yeah, thats sad. I loved that anime.

[@pixelbucket8884]

I enjoyed it when I was a kid. I remember watching it way back when Jetix was still running. Looking back, it really wasn't good, but the nostalgia balances it out.

[@sanhypo7001]

PixelBucket Nah the original Japanese version is good, but the 4Kids version that was on Jetix was edited/censored garbage.

[@pixelbucket8884]

@@sanhypo7001 Well too bad I didn't grow up having access to the Japanese version.

[@sanhypo7001]

PixelBucket Me neither. I found out years after through KZbin.

[@uncreativetitle_4305]

I love Sonic, but the fandom is pretty embarrassing to be apart. I really hate it sometimes. But... Sonic is one of my favorite franchises ever.

[@PerfectGamerRBLX]

Same same i was about to say that nintendo fans and smash fans suck because of many reasons but then NO the sonic fanbase literally just sended death threats towards to sonic team for forces and now games are delayed

[@balgreya]

@@PerfectGamerRBLX I don't support death threats, but I do support a good game finally being released.

[@PerfectGamerRBLX]

@@balgreya *team sonic racing* i do support a good fandom tbh

[@balgreya]

@@PerfectGamerRBLX I think team sonic racing is good but I'm not looking for a racing game variant or a 2d game but the 3d sonic game done well. Generations and Colours are the most recent examples but it ends there. I know they can do it, I just want to see it happen.

[@dooky1089]

The problem with the Sonic community is the complete disconnect between fans with one another and fans with the developers, making it incredibly difficult to please at least the vast majority of the fan base. Let's look at Mario, Pokemon and Zelda for examples - there is a base formula within those games, yeah they put out crappy games every now and then, but I don't think any of it compares to the lack of quality coming from Sonic. I love Sonic - but the franchise needs to stop being all over the place. They try to over complicate the games and as it stands now, I don't even think Sonic has a solid continuity. With that being said, I hope one of my favourite childhood franchises gets its act together.

[@drasconboy6349]

You know what's sad?''''' It's not even the worst fandom anymore

[@canine8284]

even other fandoms that used to be "the worst" have chilled down now. Looking at you Homestuck and Hetalia

[@lukebytes5366]

that's because it never was. it just got a handful of purists and elitests somewhere in mid 2000's. and now they represent the fandom somehow.

[@MrMogi-zg2ud]

Fortnite?

[@ultragaming4962]

Drason Vender [snaps vision toward undertale and fnaf]

[@Rickzilla]

The Star Wars fandom usurped Sonic.

[@yabazyabacoffee]

like as wise boy once said... “YOU FREAKING FRICKS, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN, THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!”

[@candiigurl7893]

I think "tragic" was the perfect word to use. Funny how the games gradually grew worse as the fandom did.

[@person.w9780]

candiigurl7893 Debatable

[@tigerfestivals5137]

candiigurl7893 The most recent games are good/okay.

[@DragonSlapper64]

less got worse, more got less consistent Colours and Generations are fantastic games, 06 and Boom absolute shit

[@thema1998]

DragonSlapper64 Mania was widely praised and Forces was widely despised. I haven't played the games myself but that's what I'm getting from fan reactions I have seen online.

[@fruitygarlic3601]

If so, then I guess our actions really did have consequences...

[@felixlebendig8570]

"Eggman, is this how he is called now ?" Hey kid in japan robotnik was always called Eggman.

[@IvanHernandez-kn5gg]

Sonicrafter #speedcraft robotnik it's his last name, like why?

[@Twinklethefox9022]

That still confuses me.

[@christopherlockery9629]

I'm not a purist, at least not in the way that the vocal minority spoken about in this video are like anyways, but I've always prefered the name Robotnik to Eggman because it sounds more menacing. I do like his new design though, but also I still prefer the 2d games (classic and modern) over the 3d games. I'm in two schools of thought whether or not he should be played as a straight up evil tyrant that would give Hitler knightmares or as a loveable comedic foil, because I'm fond of both versions, albeit the former over the latter...

[@somedude2278]

I thought Robotnik was a previous villain in like the 2d games and Eggman was the one in the 3D games. I have no evidence to back this up, and I don’t like Sonic all that much anymore, so I know I’m gonna get shit for this. I also forgot how or why I thought this

[@khfan4life365]

I do wonder why outside of Japan he was called Robotnik?

[@xemnasxiii3992]

"Even… the Kirby has buttloads of porn" Here's something I never considered… Now how do I erase this simple thought of my memory ?

[@djroscurro9859]

Trick question. You can't ;_;

[@petadeletionorganisation2598]

*B U T T L O A D S*

[@N12015]

I have an Idea. I suggest these ones to see Kirby as another thing instead. It that does not work, nothing will. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWm2fWaMerZ4p7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXrdpnmIf5qFgcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHSWoXiHd5iSisU

[@tomymommy2787]

Now this makes me want to commit an extinction level war crime. 👿

[@ultimatebeasts9156]

*NNOOOOOOOOOO-*

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

The Stranger Things fandom and those creeps who hit on the child actors in person.

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

NOT PRODUCTIVE PRODUCTIONS. Those 30 year old women/men who hit on like 13-14 year olds are fucking creepy af

[@tusk5161]

You've gotta be kidding me...for such an amazing series...having the most creepiest fandom...

[@hayleyidontwantpeopletokno5623]

Nova Player ノーバーパレーラ. Ikr, it's sad

[@starbittenpixieboy]

NOT PRODUCTIVE PRODUCTIONS yes, it is incredibly fucking creepy.

[@moezfoez]

NOT PRODUCTIVE PRODUCTIONS And ""shipping""" them with each other and slowly killing their friendship It's really sad how these sad, Grown woman are ruining this child's childhood.

[@partyboi9082]

rpgmonger: because of certain people chosen to represent the whole fandom me: chris chan chris chan chris chan chris chan chris chan rpgmonger: let's just get the big one out of the way me: chrischanchrischanchrischanchrischan rpgmonger: i really can't avoid talking about him! me: *CHRISCHANCHRISCHANCHRISCHANCHRISCHANCHRISCHAN* rpgmonger: christian weston chandler me: *THERE IT IS!!! THERE IT IS!!! THERE IT IS!!! TH*

[@anxolotls1307]

party boi i thought it was gonna be sammyclassicsonicfan

[@nill1584]

Wokenessfatigue he’s just satire

[@mybodyisreggie2759]

Wokenessfatigue me too

[@Yoseqlo1]

Yeah, Sonichu fandom next... supposing that's still a thing.

[@Igneeka]

I don't think that's a thing

[@jesba9708]

The spicy editing is evolving every video

[@TheRpgMonger]

It'll only get spicier I assure you.

[@setsers1]

The Rpg Monger I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE😄

[@7standdad]

eh....

[@starbittenpixieboy]

The Rpg Monger it's pretty patatas bravas right about now

[@Colddirector]

Honestly, I've grown sort of a grudging respect for the Sonic fanbase since Mania and being exposed to some of the ROM hacks they've made. The love these crazy bastards put into their work is frankly incredible sometimes, and when contrasted against the constantly fumbling stupidity of Sega, they shine even brighter.

[@nonient_]

Be N S O N Idk about that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ2XoWtspKmAbpY

[@cobobble1611]

The sonic fanbase is one of the greatest redemption arcs of all time. They went from being creepy furries to making better content then Sega themselves

[@ultra624s2]

Cobobble16 You only covered one, out of the many sides of the sonic fanbase. This fandom is still terrible.

[@cobobble1611]

Who, me? I was just joking about how the reputation of the fanbase went from mostly negative to mostly positive really fast. I honestly don't think the fanbase has ever been truly awful, its just had bad parts - like all fandoms do! If you're talking to the other guy, feel free to ignore me.

[@tyratooOP]

The fanbase basically made Sonic Mania

[@goldylover1000]

Cobobble16 ikr it's pretty sad that they made a better game then sonic forces I just wish sonic team would retire lizuka and get somebody new in there

[@turretcorruption5725]

Honestly I see it more as a divide in the fandom. Cringy ass sonic fanfics are still god damn everywhere, but if you stick with people who are into the Sonic Amateur Game's Expo (SAGE), you'll have a great time.

[@reloadpsi]

That whole thing with Sega rejecting the semi-official canons established reminds me a lot of Star Wars fans today. Yeah that's right, I implied Star Wars fans were that bad. Come get me.

[@theoriginalstarwalker3907]

And no one did...

[@person14876]

NeedleNose FOR CHUCKLES nor ever did

[@matti.8465]

I mean, with Modern Sonic came some changes to the canon. Besides, stuff like the Sonic bible makes no sense.

[@justinlangle1343]

What star wars fans did huh u mean what Disney did child

[@pouffling7649]

I'd like you to analyse the Pokemon fandom. It's definitely not as bad as other fandoms you've talked about, but there are quite a bunch of elitists **cough** genwunners **cough**

[@canine8284]

**cough** ash shippers on all sides **cough**

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

I didn't know that parts of the fandom could be so toxic until I saw the vitriol that HoopsandHipHop got for defending Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee. He wasn't telling people how to think, just explaining why he thought some of the things people were making huge issues about weren't that big a deal and encouraging people not to make judgments until the game was actually released. The result of his rational and respectful videos was hateful whiners shouting that he was wrong, he just didn't understand anything, he was sucking up to the company, etc. I don't know how bad it got since I stopped reading after a while in disgust, but it's sad that such a cool guy got hate for, well, not expressing hate. By the way, I have mixed feelings about LGPE from what I've seen, so I'm not telling people what to think either; I'm just saying Hoops did not deserve the hate he got. I love Pokemon and am irritated that there are fanatics who start drama over nothing.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

@@canine8284 Yeah, some of those people tick me off. I don't like Serena; sue me.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

Also, don't forget the competitive "Heh, heh, I bet your worthless Pokemon doesn't have the right EVs and Nature! Loser!" players.

[@babykiller122]

@@canine8284 The only problem of this fandom are genwunners. Atleast that's what i saw in this fandom, but i'm in it just for a week so we'll see.

[@joschmo216]

Tragic is a pretty damn accurate word to describe the franchise , fandom and the current state of Sega.

[@Opentil10]

Stop cursing or. I'll kick you out of my Christian minecraft server

[@marx4538]

@@Opentil10 T H I S I S A C H R I S T I A N M I N E C R A F T S E R V E R

[@johnjohnson392]

And the classicists

[@BestKazooist]

Oi jolyne

[@dannystavs2003]

It's obvious that no fanbase is perfect, and the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase is no exception.

[@PiscesPrincess327]

While I always will be a fan of the amazing blue blur, the fandom in my opinion is just flat-out tiring and draining. I had to decrease my involvement in the fandom after Sonic Boom came out because my brain was starting to explode from all the craziness. My opinions got me attacked quite a lot of times too -_-

[@preyearroberts7842]

PiscesPrincess327 sorry to hear that.

[@aliastheabnormal]

At least you weren't attacked by a KKK Sonic purist...

[@KelltheTitan]

Aesthetic Pigeon You might be onto something about that whole bias thing. I'll quote another comment I made here. There is a very good explanation as to why people hate the sonic fandom, and it isn't the porn. "My experience with sonic fans involved the one part of it that you didn't mention, the Loyalists. They are the most paranoid and defensive of their fandom. My first encounter with them was, of course, in the Game Grumps own comments. There are so many sonic fans that think that Sega can do no wrong and that every sonic game is a master piece that no one should ever dislike. I wish I was joking or exaggerating, but I'm not. And no, it isn't just in the game grumps comments. These people show up to any video where someone makes the slightest criticism of a sonic game. They are why people hate sonic fans. Not the elitists, the porn, or deviant art. Those are just funny memes in comparison. It is the fans that lash out at anyone who dares to bad-mouth their blue spinning messiah."

[@aliastheabnormal]

Kell Kullodire You're kidding. People still defend the Sonic franchise like that nowadays? I can't believe it.

[@KelltheTitan]

aliastheabnormal Yeah, it never stopped. If someone tries to criticize a sonic game they get fucking crucified by the fandom. And there is no point in trying to argue with them, they ignore any valid criticism and accuse you of being a hater or an elitist. Never mind how out of place Sonic looks in his own games anymore with all these Final Fantasy-esque characters. Never mind the glitches that plague some of the games or ports. Never mind that a good chunk of fans didn't like literally half of the Werehog game. Never mind how Forces pandered so hard it was honestly insulting. Never mind the ridiculous tone-shift that these games suffer for trying to have a by-the-book RPG story with a blue hedgehog that couldn't give less of a fuck as the protagonist (Excuse me for not being able to take the world-ending plot seriously when the protagonist certainly won't). Never mind the basic story-telling mistakes you would typically only find in a bad fanfic. Never mind *BIG THE CAT!* To these people, those don't count. If a Sonic game has a flaw, their argument against it is literally to ignore the problems and pretend they don't exist. Again, not joking in the slightest. They will honestly say to ignore *half the game* and think that is a perfectly good reason as to why a broken mess still deserves 10/10. And when the rare game that even they won't defend comes out (06, but I've seen a rare few try to claim that *that* game is somehow good), they blame the fans. Yeah, get you some of that. Sega can do no wrong, it is those damn dirty elitists' fault! Elitists are the sonic fandom's boogieman. I've never seen one, but the "Loyalists" won't shut up about them! I wonder why everyone hates the Sonic fandom? /(sarcasm)

[@estelar95]

As a massive Sonic fan since I was very little, I seriously give Sega credit for listening to its fanbase so much and implementing their ideas and suggestions in new games. Sure they often may not be well executed(hell look at Sonic Forces, they literally gave the fans what they've wanted for ages even though it could have been a lot better), but honestly I believe most of the problem lies in the fanbase itself. The fans simply don't know what they want! All they do is fucking whine and complain just for the sake of complaining. "I want Sonic to be 2D again!", then Sega releases the advance series and they go "Oh but now they are trying sooo hard to pander to us. I want something NEW from Sonic.", and so on. Hell do you know why Shadow the Hedgehog happened?! It was because the FANS were sending letters to Sega asking for a game where Sonic used a gun. Then when they did exactly that the fans were outraged because "Oh no, Sonic is ruined!" I seriously feel really bad for Sonic Team sometimes for having to deal with such bullshit, they really deserve more credit than people give them. One of the main reasons I enjoy Sonic more than Mario, for example, is that instead of treating Sonic like a brand and sticking to the exact same formula over and over again for a game(princess Peach gets kidnapped, Mario has to save her) they actually take risks and try lots of new, original ideas. So much that now they have a massive variety of interesting characters and universes for the fanbase to enjoy, and the only time they attempted to follow a Mario formula(with Sonic 06) it got such a backlash that its damage is still felt today, over ten years later.

[@estelar95]

I'm not sure if I get the point you're trying to make, you're talking to me as if I wasn't part of the fanbase myself. I'm not saying I don't think the fanbase is mostly great, I'm just saying there's a big part of it that is downright obnoxious with their negativity. As a fan who gets involved in the fandom often, this kind of behavior doesn't seem 1% in the slightest. That's literally everywhere whenever I browse the fandom. It's crawling with this sort of negativity and people constantly complaining about Sega's every move. Hell take the Sonic Boom game as example, not only was a lot of the fanbase making a storm over the "crime" of Sonic having blue arms, but the toxicity in the community was overwhelming after that game came out and the fans wouldn't stop trashing Sega for it... while completely overlooking the fact that Sonic Boom wasn't even made by the Sonic Team themselves ¬¬. Sure the game was terrible, but it was obviously only a spin-off game made for the TV Show and not related to the main Sonic franchise at all. Does that matter though? Of course not! People are too busy blindly comparing that to friggin' Sonic 06 as if it was anywhere as outrageous.

[@Fractorification]

Lily Anders actually that’s a huge misconception. The TV show, as well as the comics, were made to promote the video games. I have no idea as to where people got the idea it was the other way around. It’s always been that way as Sonic makes more profits from his game than anything else. The Boom comics even say at the top of the cover “based on the hit game” not TV show.

[@estelar95]

Yes i'm aware of that, it was just bad wording on my part. What I meant to say was that it might as well be seen as a spin-off game made after a TV Show(since those are never good) given how the Boom series is a completely different entity from the main Sonic franchise. I tried to edit my sentence into something else and thus mixed it all up -.-'.

[@redsharkemoji6518]

Lily Anders amen to that

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

Lily Anders ok then, I’d say 20% of the fan base Is like that. If you’ve been to places like the sonic amino on the Amino app, they are THE nicest fucking sonic fans you will ever meet, but that’s just my experience, yours may not be like mine. Anyway, I digress, my point is that the portion your talking about is small, it may not be as small as 1%, but it’s still small compared to the entire fandom.

[@dingbat3440]

I think I have an idea to why Sonic elitism exists. Take a look at Mario. He gave us Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Odyssey. Why is it his fans aren't mad to the point that they're screaming for more 2D Mario games or Mario back when he was on the NES or SNES? Because Nintendo not only knew how to make Mario work in a 3D environment (his games were successful) but they took care in keeping him with the times while not diverging off to what made Mario, Mario. Sonic Adventure was Sonic's first serious 3D attempt. However, the world of Sonic was changed from that point on. It became more story driven, Sonic had dialog, he had to participate in a human overworld and play through fairly human-like environments. Sonic Adventure was solid, but it wasn't perfect. Hell, the cut-scenes today are subject to internet memery these days. What I thought made the Genesis Sonic games work was that it had characteristic, surreal levels that resonated this 90s touch unique to Sonic's own brand, was driven by minimal to no story, and most notably, Sonic kept his mouth shut. I don't think it was entirely the 2D aspect that fans wanted so badly. Mario ALWAYS worked with minimal to no dialog that is relevant to the story and story is kept to its bare essentials. Mario was timeless, nobody outgrew Mario because. Sonic today (besides Mania) puts so much emphasis on character building and story. The dialog didn't always work, whether we weren't the right audience (too old?) - perhaps feeling like it became cringy (and frickin hell it was in '06 - Did you know there was a mission that Sonic had to pick his lover - between Amy and a human princess?)

[@WaterKirby1994]

Dude you're a complete idiot. Sonic series had character building & story even in the Classic Days, replay Sonic CD & 3K. You see Amy getting kidnapped by Metal Sonic who takes her to the future once you get to Collision Chaos. You don't remember Knuckles getting electricuted & deciding to help Sonic stop Eggman Robotnik to get the Master Emerald back after that? Adventure was only the natural evolution of storytelling that had been improving in the series since Sonic 1. The only aspect you got right was that Sonic kept his mouth shut rather than make the bad jokes he started cracking in Colors. It was morons who didn't understand the series wanting to do away with the story & excellent cast of characters that resulted in the worst decade of Sonic's Career starting in 2010. Roger Craig Smith was a terrible fit for Sonic's VA only really working for Boom Sonic. Instead of awesome stories like we used to get, we would get bad joke stories from Pontac & Graff because they had no knowledge of the series at all when they were hired. It was people who didn't give a dam about story that made Sega & Sonic Team hire those talentless writers to begin with for Colors onward. Sonic 06 wasn't half as cringey as the things Roger Craig Smith says in Colors. The only time Sonic was ever a dumb joke character was in that 1 DiC Cartoon prior to Sonic Colors. In the Adventure Duology Sonic talked although he wasn't doing so excessively for no reason like he does in the 2010s. Sonic was supposed to be cool, although the 2010s decade forgot that & made him into a cringefest all to please people who were outsiders to the series!

[@SeekerLancer]

This video already covered it well. Sonic means different things to different people of different groups and generations. There's so many cartoons, comics and games that are very different from each other creating disparate groups of fans that don't agree on what's best for the franchise because they only want what they like about it. Mario is Mario. Yeah the gameplay evolved over time, but there's nothing really complicated about Mario. There aren't any giant schisms or arguments about characterization. It's a completely different beast. At the same time I'd argue Mario's fandom isn't quite as massive or passionate as Sonic's even though the Mario games themselves are more popular.

[@CuriousGuy_]

@@SeekerLancer it's funny, 'cause when I see geniune critisisim about a Mario Game for example the "Super Mario Odyssey - it's no masterpiece" video i also see a Lot of shit from Mario fans as well. And yes, maybe some products are really different from others, but with the mainline games they always had things in common. If what You say is true, How can You explain the fact that Dreamcast era fans put Sonic Generations, a modern Game as INE of they're favorites? The same can be sayd about that Game and the classicist. You see, people always Say that all the Games try different things, but all of the follow a basic rule and that one is that in a Sonic Game you don't "go fast" You earn speed. That rule even applies to the mech stages in Sonic Adventure 2. And as we sayd in comments earlier, Classic games aren't that different to begin with.

[@lukebytes5366]

Curious guy may be because sonic generations is a good game? Not every dreamcast can has the same steeple mindset that modern is bad. And on the other point, it's not just the gameplay used, it's the objective: In the classic games, sonic is pretty self explanatory, tails can fly, and knuckles is slower than both but can glide. They retain most of these abilities later on, but the difference is that the classic games always had two objectives; get to the end of the stage, and smash eggmans robots. And the abilities each character has doesn't contradict that rule. Tails and knuckles can get to places sonic could only dream of, And that can lead to shortcuts. In the adventure games, however, knuckles omits getting to the end of a stage for a scavenger type of gameplay. And tails in adventure 2 omits flying entirely for a mech. The objective is still the same, but you can't go anywhere near as fast as sonic and have to stick with more platforming and combat. And those aren't the only ones. Big and Amy have it rough in those areas too. That is the difference. While you can supposedly gain speed, it's not always about that and if it is, it's a stark contrast to sonic most of the time.

[@ishitmypantsinacarwheniwas7]

@Diabeto Kills bruh have you seen the color splash,sticker star,and the stupid deluxe games reactions

[@knuxuki1013]

I'm just a simple Sonic fan, I stay quiet. I love the characters, the some of stories such as Sonic Battle's one, I enjoy plenty of the games, the Advance Trilogy being my favorite. I enjoy seeing cool fan animations such as Sasso Studios' videos and even read a good fanfiction every now and then, not EVERY one is bad like everyone says. I even like coming up with my own ideas and concepts surrounding the franchise myself and I like to make up my own stories for the characters. Favorite characters are Sonic, Tails, Cream, Shadow, Eggman, Amy (kinda), Blaze & Knuckles Oh, and I also ship Tailream (Tails X Cream)

[@yourfriendlyneighbohoodpiz7683]

I honestly thought I was the only one who liked Sonic Battle’s story. Seriously, that game, as a whole, is so underrated.

[@knuxuki1013]

agreed, they need to make another game similar to that game in a way.

[@knuxuki1013]

Toxic Cheesecake Thanks...I guess XD

[@preyearroberts7842]

Izuki 101 I've got the perfect name "Sonic Xtreme battle."

[@mish1195]

Tailream good ship tbh.

[@WikiK1d]

Yeah, everything has porn, but Sonic's porn has been evading most of my internet adventures ever since my childhood, and I don't even search for it.

[@WikiK1d]

CatandBonez well, good for you. You must be happy to be born lucky. In a fandom and not getting any of its porn while I’m outside, never interested, and still receive it. Are we sure you didn’t go through any porn? Cause that, my fellow commenter, sounds like bullshit. You’re on the internet, you’re bound to find some. And I had a deviantart account, so it’s worse there.

[@pugglify_yt]

CatandBonez Woah bro, nice cursing. Just because *you* didn’t find porn doesn’t mean he didn’t.

[@KlearChristal]

+CatandBonez An....agenda? It's fucking sonic, it's not that deep. 😂

[@kuronoroux8864]

@ViskaDrake dunno, in my experience, unless you look for it, it's not going to appear. There're more possibilities of running into normal hentai than this

[@FiveOClockTea]

I don't even search for sonic, but just going to deviant art and looking at the newest pictures you come across some disturbing sonic pictures... 😨

[@raelogan]

I had one time at Comic Con where I had worn my Sonic X hat and my classic Sonic shirt, carried around a phone with Shadow and Rouge charms that I had modified into cell phone charms, and was overall very much a visible Sonic fan. This odd guy approached me, about my age, having seen me in my garb, and struck up a conversation while I was waiting for a chance to pick up some comics from the Archie comics booth. This guy, I forgot his name, but he starts telling me about this fan project idea he had which was intended to be a sort of "revival" for Sonic SatAM, and how he was going to approach various people at the convention to see if he could get some sort of approval to use certain characters and properties. After about ten minutes of listening to him rattle on and on about how the modern games (this was before Sonic Generations was out) was subpar and ultimately poisoning the franchise and that we needed to get back to basics, I finally had enough of this and said loudly: "Dude, lighten UP!" Luck have it, Ian Flynn is right behind me at the table in the Archie booth, and I hear a collective snort of amusement from the other attendees at the booth. I should note that by that particular event, I had already been to Comic Con several years in a row, and made it a regular habit to stop by the Archie booth, chat with the guys in charge, and toss a couple of ideas out there that I thought would be fun to hear thier opinions of, which was always fun. This guy, he just looks at me a bit stunned. "I actually happened to LIKE Sonic 06." I add, which was true, in fact, I was bit known in a small circle of the fandom for being one of the more enthusiastic fans of that entry, enough so that it baffled many as to how I could have liked that game. Long story short, Mr. Flynn and his colleagues were amused enough at my reaction to this guy that I got an extra comic, free of charge, and signed. I should also note that I had spent the last three years before then asking them if they had any plans for a Mephiles the Dark cameo, and seeing a cameo of him later on saying "Dude, that guy needs to lighten up..." made me wonder if that was a shout out to that one incident. XD

[@canine8284]

yo that's hilarious i remember that comic--one of my first actually

[@ShadowSora8491]

I liked Sonic 06 more than Sonic Unleashed, honestly. The only real issues I had with that game were the glitches and the long loading times.

[@somewhat_human]

Yeah, that happened.

[@Jamie-yp7qz]

Same here. Sonic 06 is definitely not the best game ever, but it's certainly not the worst. Action 52 and Big Rigs Over The Road Racing are tied for that position.

[@The_Real_DCT]

And that in my experience and in my opinion is what leads to toxic fanbases. People in the famdom taking things way to seriously like the guy you were talking about. But given that the nature of a famdom is a collective group of people with a deeper than average interest in a thing any famdom is going to end up with those who take things too seriously and are a bit too obsessed. This is especially true for larger fandoms as the larger the famdom, the more of the more obsessive and more extreme fans said famdom will get. Though this isn't always the case as there are smaller fandoms with a large amount of obsessive fans and large ones that have a majority of pretty laxed and level headed folks in there ranks and obessives are very rare. Point is any fanbase can become toxic and it's through no fault of anyone nor does it mean that all fans in said fandom are toxic pos.

[@Starriaaa]

You should make a part two because you mainly focused on he hate towards it but this fandom can get crazy like the whole war between sally and Amy

[@southdraw1017]

That was a big train wreck that ruined Sally for some people (not me though).

[@igel_sonne]

I saw some Sonic KZbinr jumped on the Shipping war. Is Really annoying how much Video exist They Hatening Or make dump Opionien Video why she should killed off in the franchise. One Example is they complaining about Amy Rose. Read dump aguments dad relationship should Not in the Kids franchise. Only this is complete incorrect, Even Kids Franchise contain relationship and Sonic is Not only For Young Kids.

[@elenasgaard7770]

@@southdraw1017 Richard Kuta ?

[@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom3284]

I think some of the most annoying recently, were the Classic Sonic purists. It's good if you like Classic over Modern, but there is that kind of people (like ikagura) that says "Modern Sonic should die" or only because Sonic Forces failed compared to Mania, they want all the games to be Classic Sonic now, despite the fact Unleashed (nowadays), Colors, Generations and All Star Racing series were well received. Seriously like one day i said some things i didnt like about Mania respectfully and giving my opinión and what did i get? I got bashed and they kept saying me that the game was perfect and my opinion invalid. Obviously not all Classic fans are like that because i found nice people but i also found a lot of that people that doesnt respect opinions and want 3D Sonic dead. Everyone should respect each other opinion.

[@vallyvaliant941]

Ive been dealing with this subject as of late. I find this argument to be as volitile as the sjw left vs the alt right. The pendulum has swung so far towards the other side now,people have declared anything 2D to be abhorrent and a cancer to the games. Thus I have to follow the less extreme of the two groups and that just happens to be the 2D sonic people now.

[@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom3284]

Vally Valiant whatever you say and i respect that but the Classic side is very toxic too. Right now is more toxic than the Adventure side.

[@Opentil10]

I *LOVED* Forces Mania was good too

[@marx4538]

Those people just understand that Modern Sonic WILL die due to bad sales in some time, not because it's bad, i think. Otherwise it's hating opinions, everyone has that part in themselves.

[@wolfiethehedgehog3900]

Exactly! People like what they like, and that's all there is to it! You can like Classic, Modern, any Sonic; as long as we can respect one another's opinions on the character and/or fandom, we can all love Sonic. After all, no matter the look, he's still our true blue speedy hedgehog friend that we've all grown to know and love. ^^

[@drakequill733]

SMASH FANBASE: Hold My Beer -beg for waluigi -be rude at sakurai -dont appreciate joker, hero, terry and byleth, just banjo -toxic competitive players -beg for characters that arent vg related (goku and shrek)

[@zs1175]

-bullying good players to the point where they leave the community due to toxicity

[@drakequill733]

@@zs1175 keep saying that isnt true....i will continue saying THE TRUTH TO OTHERS.....

[@tiruliru1189]

-being pedophiles and sexual predators

[@dannystavs2003]

And also dislike-bombed the Byleth reveal trailer.

[@frommywindhoe5186]

And hate steve, even if he makes sense being in smash

[@Frost_Winterfall]

I had a friend who was part of the Sonic fandom. She did the normal stuff, make OC’s, write fanfics, draw fanart, and read comics. One day, she showed me some OC’s and some art of them. I told her that she should try to not use as bright of colors and add some weaknesses to some Mary Sues. She yelled at me and tried to punch me before running away. Next week, I got called to my school’s office. When I arrived, I saw my mother crying, two cops next to the door, and a man who immediately started to scream at me (Who I later found out was her father.) Well, apparently the girl had told her father that I had beat her, raped her, stolen her phone, and had threatened to kill her and her family because I criticized her work. Thankfully, I was able to clear up the charges. I don’t have any classes with her, thankfully, so I don’t have to deal with her lies anymore.

[@medicineman5344]

Why would she call the police when she didn't have any evidence to prove that you did those things?

[@SneedBass]

I think this story should be at the end of the next video, because it shows what happens when someone offered constructive criticism and the person receiving it can't take it and perceive it as an attack on them. Since they see it as a personal attack it makes them feel justified to lie and try to ruin the other person who was just helping.

[@turtato2155]

AZR900 the actual fuck

[@rainpooper7088]

AZR900 That wasn’t a normal Sonic fan. That was the same kind of horrible obsessive fan you will find in every fandom that gets somewhat popular and feels justified in hurting others in their mad obsession because they are whiny little pricks. This might sound harsh, but be glad that you got out of this mostly unscathed. Others of her kind try to murder people with poisoned or needled food just because they don’t share their OTP. Just stay as far away from her as possible because these psychos never change. Today it’s this, tomorrow she’ll ruin the life of the guy unfortunate enough to marry her with the same lies.

[@GreenWingSpino]

That was a fan who took criticism waaaaayyy too far... That's someone I'd never want to encounter in any fandom...

[@daijindekablaze1492]

You fricking fricks! Tell me *NOW* ! Curse you Sonic FRICKS!

[@mtfodaman1829]

Blaze Dude03 aka Dark Shadic907 WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES

[@lloyddragon2036]

I get that porn existing of something doesnt in itself make it bad, but when it begins to consume a fandom and become all its about, then it is a problem. This happened to the undertale fandom too.

[@matti.8465]

That's not true for neither of those cases.

[@Squeam9750]

Along with Overwatch

[@rabburtt1841]

that isn't the case for either of those games.

[@brazencoronet17]

Actually I think sonic isn't infamous for its 34, but rather its whiny, useless fanbase. Undertale is a fandom that actually has an issue with it.

[@SteveCoteGotHisAssBeat]

@@Squeam9750 and Pokemon and digimon

[@thefizzwizz1662]

The Sonic fandom is... strange. But regardless, tall or short, brown or green, classic, adventure or boost, Sonic is Sonic to me and I'll always be a fan. I have my preferences and opinions are my own and I respect others opinions (as long as they make logical sense if not then I just leave them alone) even if they differ to mine. The fandom isn't perfect and definitely needs improving but all hope is not lost. I don't think the fandom will EVER be perfect but such can be said about anything in general. But hey, it could be worse.

[@DeadRabbitHQ]

Wow, I thought I was the only fan that had this thought process. ^^

[@scrawnym4]

Sonic the hedgehog fandom: pretty bad Undertale fandom: S A N S I S M I N E

[@LoverOfStuff]

Late to the party, dood. It’s now “Lancer is M I N E” or “RALSEI SHALL BE PROTECTED!! MY CINNAMON ROLL!”

[@DFE-wu9lq]

@i have no life kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZa8pIejft-dodk is what was first in my case.

[@ghostofdeath663]

saitama wankers : hold our beer

[@tiruliru1189]

Smash Bros fanbase: Hold my Final Smash.

[@marxjevilanddimentio9184]

Sonic fans are worse

[@Opentil10]

As a sonic fan I agree that this fandom sucks

[@justarandomfan2421]

Im a sonic fan too man and the fandom sucks

[@hemmoseta7935]

Angry birds fandom is WAY MORE CANCEROUS...

[@balgreya]

@Leirdo Man64 Wow, I just came from the video where you quoted this stuff from, you're really making your rounds. Btw, he isn't forcing anything, he made a comment that had no binding power to make you think anything. If anything you're doing the same by just shooting down what they're saying as the opposing party, however, your words "force" me just as much as his words did. They didn't. Sure you did research but unless they're actual studies being done it doesn't matter how many toxic Sonic fans you can find since it won't compare to the potential fans that exist yet not accounted for. I might be able to get around to Sonic having the most toxic fandom if we define what "most" means. Does it mean the number of people? And does this just consider the number of toxic people being too many in general but is it relative to the number of fans as a whole? Or maybe the quiality of toxicity where you may have 100 fans that are mildly toxic on the internet vs. 5 that cause a person to kill themselves? I can be on board if it's anything except for saying most fans are toxic since I truly doubt you can prove it. The internet only represents the ones who will talk and it highlights the worst of those. I literally just searched up "good fandoms" and barely anyone covers those in comparison to bad fandoms.

[@mediamuncher6982]

Yes me too.

[@7GRANDAD7]

Fellow sonic fan. I humbly agree.

[@NARUTOADSAGE]

I don't hate the Fandom. But I do have some bad experiences with it. Most notably, just about any time you dare critique even the smallest little thing in a Sonic game or the 2 live action Sonic movies, they lose their shit. For me it's the lack of the ability to take critiques and criticism. No series is perfect. Sonic is no exception.

[@xyalpzttt]

I am a huge fan of’Sonic and I totally understand you. In a video about Sonic X, I said on a commentary that I like this animated series but that is not my favorite (I’d rather Sonic SATAM). At a moment, I said that I thought the last season with the Metarex is boring and I think the first seasons were better… A girl fan of the show went CRAZY, she insults me and threatens me, she wanted to punch me in the face… I couldn’t believe my eyes… IT’S JUST A CARTOON! She acted like I have insulted a member of her family! And I was very respectful of the fans of Sonic X, I just shared my opinion, that’s all. I understand that she wanted to explain why she loves the last season of Sonic X but she didn’t need to be so mean with me. I also left a French Discord because most of the fans over there were complaining all the time about the video games, the comics, the movies, the cartoons… I was wondering « Did they really like Sonic? » I don’t think that Sonic fandom is the worst of all, certainly not. But I was disappointed by the attitude of many fans. Fortunately, I found an American Facebook page of fans and over there, most of the fans are nice, kind and really enjoy Sonic. I love to talk with them. 😊

[@JammedIce]

Some say the color of hell is red. I believe it's blue.

[@DarthJoshReturns]

Blue flames are hotter than red, so yeah.

[@turtato2155]

cold coffee gag productions lol

[@ZigZagKangaroo]

I'm interested if you one day will do a pokemon fandom video. Since the pokemon fandom is also very old (not as old as sonic though).

[@r.j.penfold]

Malony the Pony considering my great love of Pokémon (95% of the games I own are Pokémon) I am NOT looking forward to that...

[@impurity8002]

Is the community really that bad, I haven't heard of anything involving it in a while now.

[@ZigZagKangaroo]

G r e e d I mean more something like a fandom history. Hearing the sonic fandom history it doesn't seem as bad as other fandoms either

[@b-d9099]

G r e e d Yeah, the people who point at It really exaggerate it.

[@Mystic_Sanctum]

Malony the Pony That would definitely be an interesting one. I've seen some really great and awful people in that fandom. It's strange to say but I hardly ever join or consider myself in a fandom as I play most of my games for personal, solitary enjoyment because I've had pretty crappy experiences with gaming communities. But, opposite to me, I've seen the people who take Pokemon to the next level. RPGM will have his hands full with this one.