OLD VOLVO VS NEW VOLVO (Truck Comparison: Same Mileage, Different Model Year)

Recently, we’ve noticed an Owner Operator driving a 2014 Volvo has been spending significantly more on fuel compared to a driver in a 2021 Volvo.
Will Ronen take action and discuss with the driver his potential fuel savings if he decides to upgrade to a newer Volvo? Is it worth it for the driver to make the big jump?
In this video, Ronen breaks down the data analysis from both trucks/drivers and explains the vast savings the Owner Operator could have if he were to upgrade from the 2014 Volvo to the 2021 Volvo.
Let us know if you've learned something from this video and comment down below!
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[@JoshuaKlein25]

I would stick with the old truck and add an APU to it. I noticed that you did not mention the engine run time on both of the truck. I seen it to come out to be a difference of 140 hours on one truck compared to the other. I am sure having one truck running or idling for that much longer pays a huge amount on the average MPG for his truck.

[@kevinbailey7106]

There's a lot more involved in understanding mpg than just the age of the truck. Driving habits, idle time, type and weight of the load, weather conditions, geography and grade of fuel all play a role. Comparing numbers in a spreadsheet is an over simplification because two trucks will never have all of these factors equal. In my short 27 years of experience, driving habits and idling are the two biggest factors to consider and will make the largest impact. New equipment doesn't automatically grant higher fuel mileage, therefore the savings you mentioned would not be realized unless these other variables are addressed.

[@robbalinski1606]

Bang on!! I was able to squeeze over 8mpg out of my 2014 389 petebilt with 46k rears 4.10 gears pulling 80,000lbs and do so more then once. Gong south into the states I consistently got over 7mpg by just going 60mph, driving habit is a large part of the picture! My parents run a 367 pete with 40k rear 3.73 and they consistently see 8mpg, sometimes more if they have a low light load.

[@davidmass5480]

This guy is just a numbers guy. This is also the same guy that says to buy a new truck over an old one (pre-emissions) in another video because since it's older, it will be more susceptible to problems. I currently drive a 2018 Kenworth that has had close to $30,000 in repairs just to the DPF system. Don't have that garbage on an old truck but I guess the guy sitting behind the desk wouldn't know how problematic this stuff is on new trucks.

[@Airassasin]

@@robbalinski1606 what engines ? I have a c15 and it only avg 4.5-6 And a dd15 avg 6-7.5

[@robbalinski1606]

@@Airassasin Cummins ISX15 550hp 21050tqr Full emissions delete My parents run a MX13 paccar currently at 1.1 million KM's never been opened up. Not emssions deleted.

[@samzachariah9269]

Thank you, because I was just about to bring up everything you mentioned above here

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

So the driver in the older truck doesn't have a $3000 a month truck payment. Sorry there's still a lot to be said for being not in debt for $200,000.

[@airdog4442]

First of all.....I truly appreciate your informative content! Very refreshing! Apples to apples..... Given that you have demonstrated in previous videos that only different driving habits in the same truck can produce similar results to your fuel mileage comparison in this video, I believe the analysis needs to dive a bit deeper.....to include a comparison in driving habits (speed, idle time, cruise, etc) as well. This would allow for a more accurate measure of the differences of "Old vs New". Having said that. ... tell him to buy a new one and I'll buy his old one for 35k!! Haha Keep up the great work you guys and gals!!

[@alswearengen0000]

Yep! It really comes down to personal preference. I like to sleep at night and not have any debt hanging over my head. That may not bother someone else. So I would keep the old truck for the personal preference.

[@jajajaja2624]

@@alswearengen0000 just 3k a not being in your pockets

[@gertjanvangastel]

I think if the driver from the 2014 volvo could focus on a better fuel mileage he would find himself in a pole position.

[@chrisetherington3968]

it wasn't discussed, but the older truck had a lot more engine hours per month than the new one - did the new one have an apu?

[@kentr2424]

IMHO the choice really isn't about fuel mileage, it's between having a warranty and paying the repair costs. We don't know what condition the '14 is in (heck, he may have just recently rebuilt the engine in it), it may be pristine or it may be one bump away from falling apart. The owner of the '14 doesn't have any payments on the truck, a big plus for him. He also (likely) has no warranty left on the unit, so all repairs come out of his pocket, a big minus. With any vehicle these days, the average Joe can't fix them - doesn't matter if they're cars, pickups, or Class 8 trucks. When those dash lights come on, you're taking into a dealer to see WTF is wrong with it. The O/O's REAL choice is pay for lease with warranty, or pay for mechanics/techs. It's really that simple. I also don't think you set up a fair comparison. To be equal, you needed a '14 Volvo with the same engine, transmission, and rear end gear ratios as the '21, and they had to be operated over the same terrain with preferably the same driver (not practical I know). The trucks are spec'd differently and that will have an enormous effect on fuel consumption.

[@kingofcrunk4237]

I agree. I do believe the 15's and 14's are less efficient (even before turbo compounding, so say in comparison to 2019's), but how much less efficient over the same course, with the same driver and equal-grade of truck, I don't know.

[@Localtruthspeaker]

He said the new 21 already had upgraded fuel rail and injectors. So obviously the new truck sucked on mileage right off the bat. This was a biased comparison.

[@jorgeposadas1192]

Hey don't forget warranty jobs aren't exactly a priority at dealerships, being down for 2 weeks because they haven't had the time to check which sensor is failing isn't exactly my forte'.

[@michaelbierlein5642]

I really appreciate your videos because I think they’re great for people like me that are gathering information before I buy a truck. I’ve never heard the breakdown of numbers like you’ve given here. Thanks and keep up the great work.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

I appreciate that!

[@kudabrownt.v.436]

your data is very skewed. I've only been driving 3 yrs but pretty good with numbers, and you made a mistake by showing "all" the data in the 2nd comparision. I believe the gas mileage is about the same because the 2014 had 140 more hrs of engine run time which you did not show in the 1st comparision. And 140 hrs equals about 12 more days of driving or idle for 140 extra hrs, either way, that is a major difference in gas consumpation, which is why companies offer a bonus for the amount of fuel you save. Don't know the driving conditions but a APU would do wonders I suppose

[@dchawk81]

Yeah I know a couple guys running 2014 Volvos getting in the 7s running local. I have a 2014 Mack low roof no fairings day cab and it does better doing local than that O/O does OTR. None of us paid more than 30 for our trucks on the used market, and they aren't jalopies.

[@Eric-eg6uh]

Enjoy your channel it real appreciate what your doing for us enjoy stay safe

[@radzer0966]

What Engine code does 2021 Volvo have? Do they have the TC or standard D13?

[@Otrwego]

Question from a newby. How much would it cost for a complete inframe rebuild in the 2014? if done, can rebuild be updated with better MPG? Thanks!

[@Freightlinerbob]

I just parked a 20 year old truck and bought a 2022 model. It wasn’t the fuel economy that decided it for me. Fuel is just another operating cost like cost of borrowing, depreciation, maintenance and repairs. However, the fuel cost savings definitely play a role in justifying my new rather large payment. I’ll say this, that DD15 and DT12 transmission are a brilliant combination.

[@BalwinderSinghDeol]

Is the old volvo governed at 62 mph? How much does he idle? These play a big part in fuel expense

[@experiencecollector5811]

Hi Ronon I was though some of the comments below, I think it is up to an individual to see what his priority is, If would have been in the same situation I would definitely have upgraded to a New One but at the same time I would have added some cash along with the old truck payment and make it 2 or 2.1/2 year arrangement as I agree that 4 Years is a long time. Thanks for your informative Video's you are the only person in the industry that to from a Company side and still So Transparent. Please keep up the Good Work. 👍

[@omehenwanneka8953]

It all boils down to how much you can save on fuel...if he's gonna keep getting that 13,000 monthly mileage for the next 3 years, it's worth it...it's even risky not to take that risk...Thanks Ronen...

[@robbalinski1606]

No no its not, Ronen said the old style trucks wont get over 6mpg and I could prove him wrong on that when I could get over 8 pulling lumber in my 389 pete. The owner op should just change his gear ratio and do a little tuning or check his fuel system for problems....

[@jajajaja2624]

It's not just fuel maintenance is going the be cut in half . One driver is paying over 24k a yr in fuel alone . 60k in the bank after I buy the truck sign me up. The whole point in buying older to drive until the wheels fall out or you need a 10k to 35k engine rebuild . But many drivers are not saving money . My cousin just bought 2020 Volvo almost all 💵 why she she still monet saved afterwards and she been driving for less than 10 yrs .

[@Whatwillyoubelieve]

Pretty hard to figure millage when you don't factor in wind and weather conditions. Also what about routes flat land vs hills? 🤔 Same route, same weights, and be following each other within a mile of each other and cruise control and let's see the results

[@jeremiahberry1134]

I think it's always better to out right own your own truck. Love this content!

[@ILKBNS]

You didn't touch on the emission reliability concerns for each truck, I would factor that in as well.

[@TonyTony-vb5pu]

The difference is with a 21 you work because you have to, with a 14 you work when you want to. Mpg not the only consideration, especially if you are mechanically inclined

[@lokodecabesa]

Ronin, What program do you use to crunch numbers? Is it automated? These video's are helpful, thanks for taking the time. In this scenario, if the driver plans on being a full time driver year round, I would trade in the truck. If its a part time driver, stay out of debt and take care of the paid off asset.

[@DavyTrucking]

The runtimes of both trucks, the speed and terrain of each driver routes will affect the fuel mileage. I have a 09 VNL 630 with a D13..I just did my IFTA and I’m getting 8.3 miles per gal.. I run in eastern US

[@christianlee1637]

Definitely time to upgrade not only due to your fuel equations but he will be looking at a major engine overhaul soon. I'm surprised an emissions 2014 has lasted 900000 miles and other components will start to fail soon as well.

[@als7594]

No argument on that question, numbers don't lie. The older truck is going to require a lot more maintenance and repairs over the next four years verses a 2020 model. Take a 1000 mile trip for example, at 5.6 mpg he'd have to buy 178.57 gallons of fuel with his 2014. With a 2020 he would only need to purchase 119.05 gallons of diesel for the same trip. He'd save 59.5 gallons of gas. Based on GasBuddy for Indianapolis IN. The 2014 driver would have saved $193.38 using a 2020 truck for the same 1000 mile trip. That is a huge savings. Any idea the per mile savings based on $3.25 per gallon diesel? Try 19.34 cents U.S. per mile over his 2014 Volvo Truck. That savings Canadian is 24.17 cents per mile.

[@robc3887]

The fact that the truck is paid for vs. a payment I would keep my old truck, the savings on no payment outweighs the few hundred extra in gas a month. But I would have to factor in maintenance costs as a driving factor also…..a high mileage truck requires more maintenance so am I losing money there over a payment?

[@otrookie]

It definitely makes more sense to get a new truck especially for company drivers however what I love with my old truck is I can park it for few months and not worry or if tomorrow I wanna switch careers or anything I can sell it easy etc. no big payment some weeks I go on road 2 days and go home, I just like not having that payment in back of my head

[@bensmith5543]

My solution for that with a new truck would be to cut your living expenses down as much as possible. As an O/O bank as much money as you can and pay the truck down quickly. I see O/O banking $200,000 a year, so put as much of that as you can safely afford towards the truck and get that sucker paid off and enjoy a couple years (hopefully) of no or really low payments and a warranty. Just my two cents.

[@Justfun-tt4sr]

I'll take an older Freightliner Classic over this newer crop anyday.

[@bensmith5543]

@@Justfun-tt4sr in another 10-20 years your freightliner classic will be dust and the next batch of truckers will be saying "I'd take my 2020 truck over the new crap."

[@Straightlace25]

@@bensmith5543 I'm not sure about that. There are thousands of well built 25-30 year old trucks on the road now. A few are older than that. If we can keep the government from regulating them off the road they will likely still be turning a profit when these new pieces of crap are overflowing the salvage yards.

[@bensmith5543]

@@Straightlace25 I'm just saying how many trucks from the 70s and 80s do you still see on the road? I'm sure they are out there but in such few numbers they are inconsequential. Progress always moves forward and companies selling trucks don't work on nostalgia. It is what it is.

[@carlosvital5805]

Is hard to tell But I would bring the driver and talk to him let him make the decision Thanks for your time that takes to make this videos

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

thanks for the feedback, thats exactly what we are going to do .

[@blank_3958]

If its heavy spec vs non heavy spec wouldn't that make a difference since they're very different engine sizes?

[@radzer0966]

One other question here, ill assume the 2021 is an automatic. Thats what almost all the Volvos are now. Is the 2014 auto or manual?

[@fyaboijay]

Thanks for this content first of all! I'd say keep the old truck as long as he's comfortable in it and it's in good shape. If he has no note, he won't have to work the truck as hard to keep up with the payments which equals a better hometime situation. On the contrary, for a bigger business model I would probably upgrade the truck

[@jvin248]

Tell the driver what the situation is. However, go through the physical differences of the new vs old truck that are causing the fuel economy savings. Is it the new magical engine? Does the old truck have a small engine with a turbo while the new truck has a larger engine without a turbo? More efficient transmission? Or simply low rolling resistance tires? Do they have a big metal visor that scoops all the air where vanity/'coolness' saps $2,500/month from their checks? What lower cost options do they have for their old truck that can approach the mpg of the new truck? Say the root cause is the clunky tires they have on the old truck. In a year that driver will put replacement tires on the new truck and be in the same smaller checks that they have now plus the bigger payment -- that would be a bad scenario.

[@jorgeposadas1192]

Hahahahahahahaha so true

[@JASONHJEFFERSON]

not having a truck payment gives me the freedom to take as much time off as i want as i am 100 percent debt free and stay that way

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

that sounds good. Appreciate the feedback

[@gsxgaming1975]

Hey Ronen, What do you think is better on fuel? The new Brand New Cascadias or the new Volvos?

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

i did a video on that last year, Volvo VS cascadia, you should watch it. very interesting data

[@jeremiahberry1134]

But the key component is how much each driver grosses. And nets. To determine if it is worth him keeping it or not

[@Henry-jy1hp]

thanks. I was going to lease to own a 2017 415hp 700k miles from my boss and now I need to think twice. now I see why he is only pushing me to have a 2017 while I requested a 2021 but he doesn’t want me to lease a 2021. pls do you think a 2017 and 2021 have same fuel consumption? would you do a comparison for newer years and see the difference

[@robertstroeder6765]

I'm in a fleet of volvos being the only kenworth w900 but best fuel mileage is the 2011 over the 2021 volvo its all about the driver and vtw my kenworth is in the middle of the pack

[@nitishbhardwaj5266]

You should have checked engine running hrs as well...

[@savagemike9967]

Heavy spec vs none heavy spec what are the gear ratios?

[@arminsingh7597]

I think that 515 HP manual compared to 455 auto has alot to do with the difference. It would be cool to see the numbers on the truck with about the same horsepower but with same age gap.

[@thestig886]

Nice video, but the Engine running time was significantly different. So maybe this needs a further analysis taking the Idle time into account.

[@Dan-ic9xn]

I will take my cdl this month, do you hire new drivers?

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

unfortunately we dont. sorry

[@johnhoward7298]

I think , strictly comparing apples to apples , in the long run , it might make sense to trade up . BUT , at the same time , You MUST take into account the Driver's situation - age - health - desire to continue to drive etc. ! Not to mention the Driver's ability to get the financeing .

[@silverfoxadventures]

Hey Ronen, in the last few months I was lucky to talk to someone representing ET TRANSPORT and informed be that you are not currently hiring foreign drivers. When is the program starting? Am sorry I know the chanel isn't mean for recruitment purposes but your presentation is just want makes me want to be with ET.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

hi, currently we are not hiring foreigners via the LMIA program, please check back in September with our recruiter.

[@silverfoxadventures]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News okay. Thanks

[@SomeTechGuy666]

I dare you to do this with an aero truck versus a non aero truck. Non aero = long nose, external air cleaner, big visor, flat bumper, stand alone lights, etc.

[@amsoiladam]

Also need to figure in that the 2014 with 900K on the odometer is likely going to have an overhaul or other really expensive repairs in the near future.

[@kirkbrown2147]

I think the driver in the 2014 should see why he's burning so much fuel first. Engine tune up for example. Use cruise control on the highway if you can. Proper tire pressures, don't idle for extended periods etc. 2014 is still not an old truck. Buy fuel when it's cheaper if you can. Don't accelerate too rapidly.

[@Moes_Adventures]

Upgrade to newer! Save money on fuel Much more comfortable, a huge plus! Chances are if he’s running that older truck he’s also doing a lot of idling for air conditioning and heating the bunk while stopped. Newer trucks tend to have options where you don’t need to idle the engine, putting extra wear and more fuel consumption. A newer truck in good shape will get less attention paid to it during roadside inspections as well. My opinion, much more beneficial to have a newer truck. Excellent video, thank you!

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

hi Moe, thank you for the feedback, really good points you are making. appreciate the positive feedback.

[@haroldrodriguez5952]

that can all be had with the 2014truck too

[@fredrikhawes3387]

I would say keep the older truck and install an APU. The runtime on the older truck is 100 or so more hours then the newer truck was running.

[@west2401]

Well.. the 760 is defiantly gonna win seeing as both trucks being compared run emissions system. I would say that if both trucks are mostly driving flat lands that the heavy spec 515hp older truck would be considered "over-spec'ed" for basic van work, have that truck pull flatbed or tanker. Rear end ratios can also have an effect on fuel mileage. The 760 would be more appealing in regards to comfort, safety, fuel mileage updated D13 engine, and better aftertreatment system (assuming it doesn't break .. smh). Now is this was a 760 vs a pre-emissions (no DPF) Volvo with a D12 engine I'd say keep running that old truck, It will have a higher probability of keeping you on the road and out of the shop. And spec'ed right those D12's can get good fuel mileage and less problems.

[@jaeinnmoon3279]

Get rid of that 2014 Volvo, and have him in a new cascadia. Introduce him to a never ending sensor related computer issues after 2 years of owning it. Even better, part are now almost impossible to find. I own 2019 cascadia and lack of parts are having you worried....

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

i hear what you are saying about parts, the sensor issues both with Volvos and Cascadias are nowhere near what they used to be. 2020 models and newer are just fine.

[@jaeinnmoon3279]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News - 2020, give it another year, my truck had no issues the first 2 years as well... the Chinese parts manufacturers didn't all of sudden increased quality of their product because the calendar year changed. Both freightliner and Volvo use the cheapest parts suppliers to maximize their profits. Once the truck is sold, its not the manufacturers problem. Mine is under 5 year warranty but the downtime is just ridiculous. 9 out of 10 dealerships have 1 to 2 week waiting line before they will get you in the bay. Your neighborhood dealership might be different, but your not driving around your neighborhood, you are thousands of miles away from home most of times.

[@haroldrodriguez5952]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News sorry but ima have to side with jae on this one

[@jmacd8817]

Oddities of run time and unrealistic bad mpg aside, that 2014 is coming due for some expensive repairs soon. How much to R&R the turbo, trans or engine?

[@dchawk81]

Nowhere near 150 grand at 8% lol

[@brandonscott4951]

I agree with the numbers. But I’d look at in the shop time. Expenses keep the truck on the road. Because the numbers you gave. Seems to me your just trading expenses. Instead of paying extra on fuel your paying in vehicle payment. However I’m a company driver. Had recently been issued a 2021 freightliner. Only 54 miles on it when I got it. Cant hardly feel it when shifts. Great ride. I’ve had it in the shop twice though. Bad AC compressor. Had to run main engine to keep cab cool in southern cal and Arizona. I was averaging 5.4 miles per gallon during that time. Also breaks weren’t adjusted properly from the factory. Because of this. Makes me question owner operator scenario.

[@cerberous741]

I would say stay with the old truck and change his driving/idling habits. Guaranteed he idles the truck all night. Reason being is you never know when something will happen and without a payment you have way less financial burden when problems arise. I just fell off my flatbed trailer and broke my wrist and can’t work for at least 6 to 8 weeks. Thankfully I am just a company driver otherwise I’d be bankrupt with a 3k+/month payment. I was just about to lease a truck and now won’t be able to for some time.

[@mornepretorius4068]

Agreed. Look at total engine hours. Older truck did 140hrs more than the newer truck in the month of May. Older truck driver needs to idle less and adapt his habits

[@robbalinski1606]

Agreed! The guy should look at changing his diff ratio, that would go a long way and only cost about 5k. I was able to get over 8mpg out of my 389 Pete with a true heavy spec setup 46k rear's with 4.10's and general grabber OD mud tires hauling lumber and big grain dryers, so Ronens a little off on his theories some times.

[@willmann30]

I'm glad your wrist the only thing that suffered that nasty fall. Your back or neck would've been much worse. Hope you recover fast and fully.

[@johnhoward7298]

Have You ever heard of St. Cristifors fund ( not sure about spelling ) ? Its a chairty that covers drivres expenses till they go back to work .

[@youngpatrick29]

Well of course, theres about 100 other factors that go into making such a decision. One of the most direct being the 21 volvo mpg will decrease down to about 7.2-7.7 in a years time.

[@spillybuilt7491]

I’m sure that older Volvo driver can make his truck get better mpg with a little bit of tweaks to his day to day operations

[@jochycharger87]

I think a all come down to how much the drive wants to compromise, because a driver a lease payment has to keep that truck running in order to keep up with the payments regardless how much fuel you saving. The driver how a pay off truck the amount of fuel that the driver spends is going to depend on how hard the truck is running, at the very end is about the driver choice.

[@leonardosanchez5604]

hi you never talk about paccar mx13 engine or t680 or pete 579. they are good trucks

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

we dont have many in our fleet, i have been asking from Kenworth a test truck, we are still working out the details, i really want to try the T680 Next Genn with Packar engine. hopefully they will allow us to test it out

[@leonardosanchez5604]

Ok thanks

[@TheTruthseeker707]

Question that still needs to be answered before he makes a choice is what is his insurance payment difference between old and new truck? If his insurance payment is the same, it is wiser to be in the new truck but that constant monthly truck payment rain or shine is something that 100% will add stress to his life.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

the insurance payment will be the same. as for the stress, i totally agree, payments will need to be maid, if he is running or not.

[@welcome2myworld1.o89]

Yes! Yes! Yes!! Upgrade!! I have a 2022 579 ultra loft pete. And I get 7.4mpg at 62mph I aim for 9mpg.. but, she says no haha.

[@dankruger2890]

as fuel prices rise. this is a question getting easier to answer.

[@jorgeposadas1192]

I own a 98 volvo with detroit 12.7, I get 7.5 mpg and I make it everywhere I go, no issues with sensors, no break downs from because of dpf and no payments, I will run this truck until the law let's me, I've owned newer trucks and I don't miss them at alllll !

[@sahirrules]

He can save whatever, but what you have to understand is he knows that truck is solid there is no reason for him to upgrade to a new one. Until his truck starts to give him problems there is no reason to upgrade. Fuel savings or not, if its just one truck a single owner op can not risk the down time. See Ronen, you have a fleet to maintain so you need the best numbers possible, but if its just 1 guy with his truck he has to do whatever he can to make sure his truck is running and his wheels are turning, fuel mileage isn't the biggest concern there you feel me brother

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

this vidoe did not take into account down time, but i hear what you are saying. i will bring it upto the driver and he will decide what to do with the information.

[@sahirrules]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News Yeah man exactly, for most drivers you really can not put a price on downtime and peace of mind. I believe that's why we are seeing the push into more pre emission trucks as well. Like Brian said its much easier to work on those trucks

[@lostscot4314]

If getting into a shop is problematic and a new truck has you dealing with Dealerships only, there by limiting your options on getting back on the road? Fuel cost as well as maintenance plus wear and tear is directly related to mileage. If your milage goes down so does fuel cost. I had a 1980's (?) Volvo 7070 with a 650 HP Cat manual and I ran Reefer from Montreal to Salinas California. I got about 7 to 6 mpg (us). Upgrading seems like a gamble, the older truck is a sure thing if it is reliable. As a numbers guy or as someone managing a fleet you want the newest, but a O/O needs to assess his risk factors. A younger driver can recover from bad financial choices an older driver nearing the end of his career and looking at retirement cannot. I am thinking of driving again and have huge support so money would not be my thing. Big bad and chrome will be my home all I care about is high end truck stops, drop and hook in decent areas with little to no wait times. Nice hotel near by with room service and a pool. Call me when you have the right load. I did my time now I just want to drive around and have someone pick up the fuel and truck cost. If I make enough for a cup of coffee every month who cares. It's my hobby now after 30 years. And before the hates starts Im the guy that will let you take or give you the better load or even jump in front of me. I also back you truck in when you think it can't be done then refuse to take your money. Start the hate now...ps never got a ticket for anything clear record since day one. I am going to be ALL Show and little GO. I'll be easy to spot parked with all that chrome doing a reset at the Chicken Ranch in Nevada. Old School Son best life ever.

[@waltmartin92]

I'm much more interested in how much you paid him to run those high monthly miles

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

we have a lot of pay comparison videos, you can see it there.

[@britup1]

I would analyze his driving style first and make sure he is doing everything he can to maximize his fuel economy. It would also depend on if he had any significant recent money into his older truck.

[@MrBigezee69]

I would upgrade to a newer truck- the fuel savings and truck payment cancel each other out- The real benefit is a newer truck, with a manufacturers warranty, newer (possibly better)emissions components and after the truck is paid off, you now have more equity in a newer truck. Also less breakdowns/ downtime

[@scav3155]

The monthly payment on a new truck would not be canceled out by the fuel savings. You will most likely to get better fuel mileage from the new truck but not enough to completely offset the monthly payment.

[@TrickyMickTrucking]

Go for the upgrade, I would like to see the lungs of someone running a pre-emissions truck vs a modern truck. Especially someone sleeping in one every night.

[@Ram0n20]

I know the new truck are more fuel efficient but not as much as it was showed there. The problem is that there are way too many variables like speed that they were traveling, driving styles, and idle time. I noticed that the idle hours on the olde truck is way higher, almost double.

[@kingofcrunk4237]

Not sure if the terminology is different there, but I would caution against calling this a 'lease' payment as opposed to a 'finance' payment. A 'Lease' in the truck world can mean one of a few different things, but the most common usage is not 'ownership' and, thus, not 'financing.' Leasing is expensive in its own right as leasing a truck is a sort of luxury service (maintenance, fast replacements if a truck goes down, etc.) being provided to fleet owners. Financing a truck will cost a driver less over the long-term as long as they are mechanically adept enough to understand the truck, what it needs, and manage that aspect (for reliability and uptime) themselves. I agree with the premise; I've seen the same with the smaller fleets I've worked with. Nobody puts the perspective of a 1 MPG decrease in fuel usage into perspective better than the owner of one of the fleets I work with. I can't recall it well enough to re-write it here, but it was neat to hear him explain it.

[@byronbesherse3703]

what is the driving habits of the driver if he drives in a way to get 5 mph. Will he get 8 with the new truck?

[@Max-ti5nq]

It's sad that the trade in value on the 2014 is still at 35k nowadays but the asking price on a used 2021with at least 250k mi. is around 180- 190k. I think it's safe to say if the 2014 driver is still looking, his best option is to stay on his 2014 and be stress free, lol.

[@kuwaitmo]

I have 2001 Volvo I get 7mpg to 7.5 if I do light load .. you can keep all the new trucks for you

[@kmg501]

That 2014 is already having emission system issues or soon will be. I would sell it immediately.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

thanks for the feedback

[@MrFriday83]

Depends, if he's anything like me who enjoys long breaks from the truck than hell no. Signing up for those higher payments really locks you into having to work more without the freedom of just parking the truck for a month, or two. But, the numbers add up so if he's consistently on the road it's a no brain'r he should upgrade be under warranty, and making more money ultimately on the front end and back end when he trades it in.

[@jeffdickerson6323]

Hey Ronen, I know that this video is "just" about the mileage which is very important as it also suggests the driver is not idling excessively, braking hard and driving erratically but I think it should be be made clear that being an O/O is a business. Running a business is multifaceted and has many different sides which must be addressed to be successful. My questions to you would be :- Is the owner of the 2014 Volvo successful and if not why not ? If he is why change his business model, if not, is it sensible to "saddle" him with debt ?

[@bikerboy2k142]

How is the driver with the 2014 only getting 5.6mpg? I have an 2007 Volvo 780 with D12 motor and I avg 7.1 mpg since I had it and when I was a company driver I drove a 2017 Volvo 670 with D13 and avg 7.6 mpg something ain’t right with your numbers sir….

[@ketillundsrensen6167]

Would tell the driver the option and the numbers, and also advise him to talk with other drivers with the newer trucks what they put aside for maintenance and how other good advices. I would not push the driver in to do anything. But just let him know that there maybe options. And maybe give him some driver inputs about the idling over night and so on. Maybe he could save a lot just by doing that.

[@Straightlace25]

New Volvo, old Volvo... I can't stomach the thought of having to drive either one.

[@janvanrenselaar5998]

I would show him those numbers and asking about that idling time first. Maybe a APU would help him to control his fuel consumption. But i would bring under his attention that the newer truck is still under warranty,and has less running damage or use then the old truck he has now. Plus the fact he can do now more his work relaxing without to be sitting with your butt closed because another tech-breakdown is sooner on the older truck then on the newer truck. And even the insurance maybe a bit more expensive on the newer truck, it is still comming out of that fuelsavings. The extra comfort is a aditional extra.

[@dchawk81]

Once you become one with your truck as an owner, it's hard to let it go. Especially if she's been a good horse.

[@73737373lb]

Yes

[@otphilly3690]

Educate the driver but don't push them because depending how financially comfortable they are in their life they can make that move. Some ppl prefer paid off trucks some ppl dont mind being in a newer truck with installments to pay.

[@uria711]

Personally, I don’t like the idea of a four year commitment. Lots of things can change in four years. Also even though the payment justifies itself, it is completely dependent on running. What if he breaks his leg or something happens where he can’t drive it. Then he is stuck with a vehicle that is not moving

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

thats a good point, but would you continue to stay with the old truck knowing the 2500 - 3000 dollars a month it consumes more on fuel?

[@kmg501]

If you base your life on the worst possible hypothetical's, you will never get anything done. Also, this is what insurance is for.

[@SuperChaos002]

@@kmg501 and manufacturer's warranty if the truck has issues.

[@uria711]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News Yes. I would stick with the old, set aside more money to buy a newer truck, once i had enough, i would buy a 3 year old truck with a 2 year note.

[@uria711]

@@kmg501 im not basing it on worst case scenario. Im doing a risk assessment. If u live ur life without analyzing risk, you can lose everything. Not just a truck. Also what insurance pays ur bills while ur in the hospital or the truck is in the shop for a long time?

[@henryblanton6992]

What are the Specifications on BOTH Trucks?

[@blccampus6518]

According to your data @3.35 2014 volvo driver's engine running time is 448hrs. And the 2021 driver's engine running time is 288 hours. Seems the 2014 one has much more engine running time. May be he's idling more or has a bad APU. So, the comparison here is not fair.

[@jasonreynolds2295]

Time to get a new one

[@KrishnaSwaroopT]

I'm from India, and I always like to watch your videos..........(just want to know, are there any other from India, especially from vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh??)

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

none that i know of

[@KrishnaSwaroopT]

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News I'm afraid so ! 😅🥲

[@RichS2023]

Look at the engine run hour difference between the 2 …. The older truck has almost twice the hours ( Month of May ) … a gallon an hour … thats not good

[@Goldhammer2023]

I’m scared of that Volvo maintenance tho I’m stay with the freight baby

[@FeatherFoot_VRC]

I would just personally buy an older pre-emissions truck so I can have reliability.

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

we have many followers that feel the same way.

[@javiercadena206]

there was notenough data on the drivers nor the weight of loads

[@jonnyb0071]

The new truck, surely with 900000 miles on old volvo, future reliability is also a major factor, could be some hefty repair bills just round the corner. One year old truck, at least two years warranty remaining.

[@pradipamatya9368]

I watching u from NEPAL... I AM IN THE SAME PROFESSION.......IN NEPAL.

[@EduardoSilva-xe3gp]

He's 2014 mpg it's horrible and not according, you mentioned that it's heavy haul expected, he probably needs to cut down a little bit on the power, re program he's ecm, and he's probably not running an apu cause under normal conditions with an apu with that truck he should be getting 7 mpg easy

[@Sanjko87]

That 5.9 is kind of not true. I had older vnl pulling a flat bed and I usually got 7-8 a gallon.

[@melvinrichardson4501]

Doesnt the weight you are pulling affect you mileage ?? Just like the late and great Chuck Missler always said,, If you torture the numbers long enough, they will admit to anything...

[@nukedathlonman]

Maybe - I noticed that the 2014 Volvo seems to have higher engine hours during the same periods, and also hauling heavier weights - so my take is there are more differences in how these trucks are being used. Can the driver drive more efficently, can he reduce those engine run hours... There def will be reduced maint on the newer truck as well to factor in as well. So, sorry I don't have enough data to actually say for certain he could save, and in fact I think I already see one way he can save on his fuel costs and that would be for him to get his engine run hours down to match the other driver. I'm saying you need a more thurough then a simple analisys then to only base it on fuel used. So no, I wouldn't just do that off hand.

[@ilesfarms1314]

There shouldn't be that much of a fuel mileage difference between those 2 trucks. Both have aerodynamic cabs and assuming both have D13's with I-shift. Could be something wrong with the 2014, for example an air to air leak. A more fair test would be to compare 3 of your 2021 volvos with 3 of your 2014 Volvo's.

[@dchawk81]

Fleets can get away with the big truck payment because they always have meat to keep that truck rolling, their own terminals with shops to avoid having it sit at a dealer, and they don't pay their techs $100+ an hour.

[@tonynimmons111]

I would tell him to sell that Volvo it’s a throwaway truck and get him pre-omissions freightliner with a Detroit series 60 engine. If he really gets $35,000 for that used truck he can buy the Freightliner in cash the repairs will be a lot cheaper and he will put way more money in his pocket.

[@robbalinski1606]

Freightliners a throw away truck to there bud.....

[@jorgeposadas1192]

That's exactly what I did, I had so much trouble with them new trucks from sensors to one of the catching on fire, don't miss them at all.

[@isnavarable]

He should have maintained his truck Throughout the years... Do an engine insert if needed.. Keep the old truck

[@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News]

thanks for the comments and feedback

[@MrAutospec]

Consumption is comparable ONLY with the same driver, routes, loads and trailers for both trucks.

[@timdeleij7105]

The warranty will make it worthwhile

[@jeremiahberry1134]

It depends on so much. Age of driver,goals,income to debt ratio. I like not having payment's on my cars I will drive cars that are a little older but drive them for years. I have been saving $300 every week for the past 5.5 years ish. Putting not quite 18% in 401K on the other hand I do like my new Kenworth my 2020is comfortable for sure. Such a tough call to make. If he is gonna lease the truck I say not a good idea. If he is gonna a buy his own this is the way to go. Instead of a 2021 maybe buy a 2018 would maybe be a Happy medium without having to pay well over 100grand. Yet. Getting fuel savings on a new upgrade. If it is his business then I don't think I would say anything to him. Although 900,000 kilometers is a lot yikes