The HIDDEN GENIUS of Warhammer: The Old World

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[@rrwholloway]

Simple, don't do live action Space Marines. Pick a 40K horror novel or short story and tell those stories. Keep them grounded, keep them human and have the Space Marines be what they should be to most of the Imperium, a sight they might see once in their short miserable life.

[@rrwholloway]

The Oubliette would make for a fantastic 4-5 episode run. Why be held to a single tv story arc when there are so many great short tales to tell? The Watcher in the Rain, The Way Out, The Deacon of Wounds are just a few great dark 40k horror stories to tell. I would use Black Mirror as a guide for the storytelling, it doesn’t have to have super duper planetary high stakes and my god, do not give in to fan service.

[@davidc8982]

I can see the point you are making. But the selling point for 40k is space marines. It would be easier to persuade a studio to make a film or series based around space marines despite being harder to make.

[@axel2741]

I would agree, since I think that holding back all of the massive battles and big characters would better show the scale of the setting. But since Henry Cavill is supposedly going to lead all the 40K fans to the promised land of warhammer tv shows, and he’s had the mindset of “why be an inquisitor when you can be a primarch”, I’m doubtful of not seeing any CGI primaris marines running about in every episode

[@rrwholloway]

@@davidc8982 sure, then it will fail. They might be awesome on the tabletop, but in narrative storytelling terms they take one-dimensional to a whole new level.

[@rrwholloway]

@@axel2741 sigh… I fear you are right.

[@solarus2120]

More Warhammer Fantasy? Yes please. 5th edition was "my edition" in the same way that 3rd was my edition of 40k.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

5th ed fantasy was awesome, probably the most iconic edition to me at least. Even though the ones after is good it's undeniable they slowly made warhammer less whacky and eclectic, ending in a boring slog of a cash grab that was 8th edition.

[@solarus2120]

I know, right? I'm a little disappointed that the army builder rules in TOW for chaos are the same as everyone else and not like they were in 5th where you picked a character and attached units, making little warbands

[@ObjectiveMedia]

5th edition fantasy and 3rd/4th 40K are the best tabletop war games ever made imo

[@jlozano2615]

Building some Mantic Goblins as I watched this video. No way am I getting back into rank and flank at full GW prices.

[@Gaddafied23]

Mantic goblins are great!

[@bobachor]

Hell yea

[@keithsimpson2685]

Unless you wana do official tournies it is great to mix minis. Certain GW ones I love like the orc on drake and some of hte sigmar models based for TOW is great but also I got a ton of Ral Partha skeletons im using for vcounts.

[@ninjadan77]

I initially never got into fantasy because as a kid that got into the hobby through 40k there was only so much that my mum would buy for me. which is why it stung that on my return to the hobby as an adult i found out the fantasy army (tomb kings) that i always wanted was removed. So the fact that they are back and i no longer have to spend hundreds for a few units has made the child in me ecstatic

[@martinjrgensen8234]

The reason for the legacy factions is quite corporate. The Old World and the AoS team each has their P&L sheets, so they are stuck in a fist fight over who gets to sell which miniature ranges. So the 6 legacy factions already have new AoS ranges, or are getting one soon.

[@zoso279]

Makes sense but I'm super bummed as a Skaven fan. Love a lot of the models for AoS and heard the rules are very fun but I absolutely hate the setting and lore so there's no way I'd ever play it unless someone dumped a fully built and painted army on my lap. I suppose it's a good thing that the High Elves and Empire are my other favorites so I can still use those.

[@Shaderaygun]

@@zoso279 What don't you like about the AoS setting and lore? I find usually a lot of people have a misconception of what the setting is actually like based off what haters have told them on the internet over how the setting actually is.

[@zoso279]

@@Shaderaygun I'll admit most of my knowledge is like you said simply second hand info from haters but I have seen some stuff that interested me a bit like the Idoneth Deep-kin. The biggest issue I have though is I'm not a fan of super high cosmic fantasy. Stuff like D&D and Pathfinder I dislike due to all these millions of realms and gods. Makes it feel like characters have less agency when there are infinite or near infinite realities and gods that can condone any type of behavior. Loved the Skaven because they are just completely rotten sob's skulking in the shadows and the Empire for being regular humans who don't have Sigmar and something like the Sigmarites next to them but still fight impossible odds with just faith, steel, and gunpowder. Bit rambly but besides the Idoneth another I liked the lore for were those ogers who are constantly perused by an endless frost. If I did get into AoS though it would definitely be Idoneth, Skaven, or Lumeneth. Got a friend who recently got into AoS when a friend gave him the Ork half of a starter set and he's only had positive things to say about the gameplay, painting and building the models, and the AoS community as a whole. Just feel torn since I'd like to try it out but it's just the lore holding me back and wanting to support Warhammer The Old World since I absolutely love the lore but missing my favorite faction.

[@matteotani1360]

​@@Shaderaygun AoS sucks

[@Vasily_Kotickovitch]

@@zoso279 If you look at Total War - that old fantasy is exceptionally high fantasy, where "ordinary people" are nothing under the feet of hordes of divine mammoths, snow bears and hordes of magical dinosaurs. And also “ordinary people” break into the Demon World to play all kinds of mini-games there.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

I do love the old late 80s and 90s minis as that's was when I got into WHFB. The Empire (which I didn't collect) always looked good esp the Reiksguard heavy armoured foot knights - loved the look of those minis 😂. But one of my favs and I wish they do an updated version was the Original Keeper of Secrets with it's Bull head would love to see a updated version of thst classic miniature.

[@davidc8982]

I first got onto via sets of top trump style card sites they produced. Inside they had an advert pamphlet. Had all the models set up in battle scenes. Looked so amazing at the time.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@davidc8982 the Combat cards I remember those lol I had the Monster set. Yeah great times. Back at the start of 4th ed it was a fun time as you had the old miniatures and the new ones coming in. The armies were relatively small in size compared to the bloat it became and the competitive Meta players hadn't arrived to sap all the joy out of the game - they may of been a few but nothing like what happened through and post 6th edition.

[@davidc8982]

@@Mark-nh2hs I think I had monster set, an imperial 40k set i think. And then the red one whatever that was. I wonder how many people they got into the hobby

[@petercolson2990]

Wait, I don't remember writing this comment yesterday, and I don't remember being named @Mark-nh2hs for that matter!

[@madness9651]

You mean cow. The Bloodthirster was a bull. Because they constantly fuck with each other. The reason why Slaanesh is a cow is the same reason as to why Aaron built a golden calf. Because it has four nipples.

[@frankkelly05]

I don’t mind the older minis for a mass combat game. I’ve painted hoard armies for AoS and it stops being fun with all the detail on newer models. Theres also a lot of old sculpts coming back that can get without paying eBay prices 😊

[@cristhianmlr]

* horde

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

​@@cristhianmlrmaybe they're talking about a dragon army😆

[@cristhianmlr]

@@Yurt_enthusiast7 that's speciest

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

People are whining because they want something with newer detail but these people probably don't end up painting a lot of these high detailed models that ages sigmar has. If you look at all the chaff units in age of sigma they are pretty to look at but they are extremely detailed for what they would be. Having old peasant Bowman and a man at arms is great because they're still in plastic and they're not going to take 5hours to paint one model

[@gstellar96]

Never understood this point, just paint over the detail, no one is forcing you to get all the details a separate color, go heavy with the primer and you can wipe it all out if you want, and if it looks chunky well WHFB players will feel right at home

[@Archaeologyhat]

I feel, quite cynically, that the IP stuff is one of the reasons they're doing the Old World. Vermintide and Total Warhams have done very well compared to a lot of GW licensed games, even compared to 40k games and WFRP 4th Ed has done about as well as it is possible for a non-DnD TTRPG to do in the 2020s. By comparison Age of Sigmar has sort of struggled outside the arena of tabletop wargaming. I think, when they did the End Times there was a major underestimation of how it was the game of 8th Edition WHFB that people didn't like and not the IP of Warhammer Fantasy and the Old World is less a really serious attempt to make a 3rd mainline game and more a way to keep control and relevance on an IP that has proven that it is actually quite popular.

[@splat20]

It's crazy how well WFRP 4E has done considering its' dogshit corebook. They're already looking into a new edition and the 4E corebook came out in 2019.

[@Archaeologyhat]

@@splat20 book layout issues aside in my experience it's a fun system that is familiar feeling enough to sell to DnD players but different enough to be distinct.

[@OldenDemon]

I don't think it's necessarily cynical to want to profit off an IP you own. It certainly beats hording it and preventing anyone from using it. Of course you need to use it well, but that's another story.

[@andrewj1754]

By the looks of the new rules, I think they have final understood that 8th was the problem, by not having any horde units or steadfast units, and no crazy spells. At least that's what I could tell from the official Warhammer Battle Report on KZbin I watched a couple of days ago.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Age of Sigmar is young, and it took WHFB some 30 years of failed games before Total War and Vermintide came out. Also 40k games have done relatively well for themselves. So I doubt that GW underestimated WHFB. After all, WHFB isn't really back; TOW is a side game like Horus Heresy and will not have the support that 40k or AoS has.

[@Mouseling216]

if you count Dogs of War - 18 factions in Warhammer

[@gitara2D]

Killing Warhammer and makeing everyone angry ... just to bring it back later. What a clever move from Games Workshop.

[@Grymbaldknight]

Honestly, it looks like it could be a solid win for GW. Fans old and new get to dive into the "glory days" of years gone by, and GW gets to flog old sculpts again with a 1000% profit margin. It may be a solid win-win. I think it really depends on how the initial sales figures are. I think that good sales will prompt more armies being brought out of retirement, which will mean more profits, and so on. However, once to profit train stalls, it probably won't get started again, especially early on. I have no interest in either Tomb Kings or Bretonnians, but I might pick up a box or two for conversion purposes just to give GW a pat on the back for bringing back a thing I like.

[@ronitabick961]

More fantasy content please! I’d love to see some coverage of wfb 1-3

[@dennismaddox3869]

So what was the genius part I feel like I watched the whole thing and didnt quite get what it was.

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

Small note on a small part of the video, a Warhammer fantasy 'Baldurs Gate 3' *will* happen. We just got a (pretty darn good i might add) video game adaption of the 40k Rogue Trader system by Owlcat, the guys who had previously done the Pathfinder video games (wrath of the righteous also being a pretty good game.) I would be extremely surprised if they dont intend to next do a Warhammer fantasy roleplay video game.

[@Argroh]

makes me wonder if Owlcat might use the combat system and the like for Rogue Trader and make a sortof adaption of Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress.

[@paladinwiggles7896]

I'd love to see more WHFB stuff; I was not going to get into it, I was actually planning to maybe get into Kings of War this year (albeit at 10mm scale so I wouldn't even be helping mantic with their stock problem >.>) but then I found a great deal on The Old World core rules & Forces of Fantasy books (which give me rules for my own (dwarves) and all my friends armies (Bretonnia & High Elves... theres also a skaven player but they're getting a PDF). Along with seeing some rules previews and really liking what I was seeing I'm now getting back into TOW and starting an escalation league with my friend group in April.

[@DarthEnderX]

Sees thumbnail silhouette: "Oh hey! 4th edition Felix!"

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

More space marines!… wait, sorry… more Fantasy! Olden Demon is creeping up! Better start getting that hunk of metal ready.

[@BlackJackalGaming]

One of the best Warhammer channels around. This place needs more support!

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

8:40 I think that was actually one of the big problems with Warhammer Fantasy as a wargame. The setting was quite literally written for an RPG, not a wargame like AOS or 40k were.

[@EntropicEcho]

... Rogue Trader wa more an RPG than a wargame,.. the first edition of Warhammer was more a wargame with some RPG elements. ;)

[@eriksolie511]

More WFB coverage please! Love your vids, really takes me back to the days ofme yoof. Started playing at 3rd ed, but have 1st & 2nd as well (they were much cheaper to collect in 1989). I think GW has held back Dark Elves so that if TOW goes well, there's strong factions for "phase 2". Skaven as well. Remember, they're having production issues keeping up with all the new 40k, Epic, & Sigmarine stuff, so only so much production time can go to TOW.

[@AronFigaro]

Yeah I definitely think they have plans for a phase 2 rather than restricting the factions, given the overall popularity of Skaven and Vampire Counts.

[@strabourne8064]

The pork pie stand at salute XD has me in stiches

[@mattgrandich3977]

I believe that GW can support about a dozen factions in TOW, they just don’t want sales split between races that have been ported over to AoS.

[@oitoitoi1]

it's the epic insecurity of the aos team, they know their game is garbage.

[@owenthomas5103]

I'd be supper hyped. If I didn't know I would be priced out from the start.

[@DavidArcher_]

Selling out at launch doesn't really mean anything if you don't know how much stock there was to begin with. You could say the Yeomen sold out at launch despite their absurd price but if there were only 100 boxes of them available they're still not necessarily popular.

[@OldenDemon]

This is true

[@_Joxar_]

I’m just frustrated that even the books are sold out, I’m pretty sure they made 5 units worldwide of everything to instantly sell out and get that fomo greedy marketing hype!

[@fabarbuck]

Im certain they made sure to not have overstock on this. It's a gamble and they can't afford overstock on something lile that. Now they have proven demand and can manufacture some more, with more understanding of how many will sell.

[@nicholasdavis2129]

Never new how much I wanted a skaven assasins creed game until I watched this.

[@anotherzingbo]

I am quite happy to leave rank and flank wargames as something I played in my youth, but I do have a fondness for the Warhammer world and it's interesting to watch the old-new game as it progresses from development and hype into reality.

[@bernardwinetroube9764]

More warhammer fantasy please. Love the tone of your work as well. Nice and relaxed and funny sounding. Great work!

[@bluemoonlunalla9747]

Thanks for the run through mate, good video and plenty to ponder on, and I think you nailed the points pretty well, and yes, it would be good to see you run through the Old World books

[@minimundus1712]

I love your vids man :)

[@OldenDemon]

Thanks

[@lastakodo]

I love some old fantasy, I look forward to seeing more whilst I work on some bug hat chaos dwarfs

[@Tzar-TZ]

i think GW have been taken a back by how popular WHTOW is. im all for it. as someone who still plays 8th, im ready to take up this new game

[@oitoitoi1]

Even a lot of aos players are saying "finally a real game is back"

[@Grits420]

Hit the nail on the head on so many points. Ill add one to center piece models. Making cannons less deadly and combining stats on monster mounts will help sell big models. Also with LotR running its coarse for various reasons and total war warhammer doing so well its time to switch there IP focus

[@WilhelmScreamer]

I am very interested in learning what GW is going to consider successful. They look to have been much more flexible on scale compared to the days of dreadfleet stock being destroyed in front of the employees that made it.

[@cobaltowl4553]

I NEED a show where the focus is either gotrek and felix or they use them as relief episodes

[@hogs0war]

More warhammer fantasy please. I am totally not biased on there being Dogs of War content either.

[@brianwalsh1339]

As someone who only got into the fantasy setting around the time that the End Times was wrapping up (I think I found it around when End Times: Thanquol was released) and falling in love with the setting thanks to games like the Total War Warhammer series, I’m glad GW has brought it back. Now if only they’d support all the armies again…

[@danspencer305]

Would love to see Warhammer Fantasy content - some battle reports from 4th/5th edition would be fantastic

[@ajsworkshop7986]

I was just pondering the other day how a lot of the Old World early promo stuff centered around Kislev and the it disappeared. It never dawned on me the scope of the game shrank as it developed!

[@yrral720]

About a month ago I started playing total war warhammer 3. I was kind of sad that what I was learning of the world from that game was not the same of age of sigma, so finding out there semi reviving the old world makes me happy.

[@Emanon...]

AoS minis are so overdesigned. Thats the main turn off for me, tbh. That they did my favourite fantasy world dirty is actually only a secondary thing...

[@Brickfrog427]

Thanks for the video! Nice! I think the most important thing to know about why certain armies and factions were relegated to, "Legacy," armies and not included in the core books is almost certainly because of the need to segregate product lines for corporate accounting reasons. How do you measure if a box is selling because of The Old World or Age of Sigmar? Do the different departments not want to step on each others toes? The logic might not make complete sense to us, but it's the most probable reason. This does mean that we can predict a few things. Out of the list of legacy factions, Vampires, Daemons and Lizardmen have corresponding Age of Sigmar factions that have refreshed their entire model range. Ogre Kingdoms and Skaven don't really have any refreshed models yet, but they have seen support in some Underworlds models, and the big rumour is that Skaven will be the big antagonist faction of the Age of Sigmar 4th edition launch box. But what about Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarfs? (Always Dwarfs, never Dwarves!) These two don't really have any corresponding AoS factions, with only a few lore and direct references in certain models. (Horns of HASHUT warband, Iron Golems warband has helmeted Chorf model, Hobgrot Slittaz are traders between Greenskins and Chorfs, so have Chorf currency on their banner and models, have sulphur grenades, yellow skin almost certainly because of sulphur exposure) So this is why a lot of people have predicted that Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarfs will get new factions in Age of Sigmar. The shadow realm of Ulgu and Dark Elves has been touched on very rarely, it feels super conspicuous in the way of real estate marked for future construction. My big question is whether they're going to keep the Malekith name, or stick with their new copyrightable name of Malerion. I hope the model looks great. Disney/Marvel also had their king of the Dark Elves named Malekith around the same time in the 80s, it mostly seems like a case of how we got two Dennis the Menace on two sides of the Atlantic ocean. But GW blinked first and backed down from the legal hit squad of the mouse, which is fair enough. Also it seems like GW may have had to inevitably make the decision of changing all their unit names to be Copyrightable unique spellings like Aelves and Duardin and Orruks. The Pathfinder RPG setting is also undergoing a similar gutting, they're paranoid about D&D going after them.

[@minihali]

2:20 You did not just call Lurpak for butter, THAT is the most controversial opinion in this video

[@LSOP-]

Yes! Cover old fantasy battle reps from white dwarf!

[@ScruffyCrow]

I have old fantsy armies out the ears and If this means I might get some more games in with them im incrediably excited. If it fails, well at least I got the motivation to paint my old models for a few weeks.

[@jonroads8281]

Oh I would love to see some of those old Warhammer battle reports played out again.

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

As someone who didnt get a chance to play fantasy i am very much invested into olaying the old world. I hate the modern 40k rat race thats is full of cukt of the new people who only care about pretty bee plastics and are scared of metal. I dont mind the older kits because i never got a chance to have them and use them.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Honestly, while it's... different source material for a TV show than an existing book, the Enemy Within campaign from WHFRP has the potential to be a really good show outline.

[@freelancerblitz2579]

I have all my old fifth edition stuff stripped and in the middle of repair and yes, I’m painting them all multiple colours

[@euansmith3699]

I'm hooked! I want to find out what happens to Jane Doe?! Why is Jane's house so poorly maintained? Does she secretly live in my house? Am I the Ghost?! I wonder if Olden Hammer is planning on running a painting competition this year? If only Olden Hammer didn't play his cards so close to his chest. Thanks for another enjoyable video.

[@themilo1567]

I skipped out on Warhammer Old World, mostly due to being determined to get to my pile of shame this year, but between this and Epic I am curious how much GW's new approach to nostalgia is going to pay off. I also wonder how easy it's going to be to make a Warrior of Chaos army using exclusively age of Sigmar models and how much connection there is going to be between the two systems considering how hard they turned that off regarding 30k and 40k.

[@musicalcharge]

Very easy. I just rebased all my slaves to darkness as warriors of chaos. I tried to get into AoS, just couldn't. Really looking forward to some games of Warhammer. Not even gonna call it the old world.

[@m41282]

Considering a bunch of the AOS models like the marauders are ripped straight from the old warhammer with different bases I would assume it wouldnt be that hard. Also, you wouldn't need to really re-base from the circle bases if you used movement trays. There are a bunch of either 3rd party or 3d printed options available.

[@musicalcharge]

@@m41282 some models like chosen are on 40s in AoS and 30s in ToW, and the Knights are on 75 ovals vs 30x60. Plus I took a lot of the warcry bands and made them either mauraders or warriors depending.

[@themilo1567]

@@m41282 Yes, I was thinking about getting those. It seems like a decent solution. Might even do it for my Lizardmen.

[@jonathan2950]

😂 Loved the Mid-Winter Minis cameo 😂

[@chrism7395]

Felix and Gotrek, Drachenfels, Kal Jericho or Gaunt's Ghosts would all be far better for adaption to TV or film over Space Marines or Horus Heresy as they have characters that are easy to identify with if you're not familiar with the lore (the demographic that will determine if a new franchise is actually going to be successful and make money for the producers). IMO most people are going to find it an easier sell to empathise with a jobbing wannabe bard and disgraced human than an 8 foot tall brainwashed superhuman fanatic. Plus those franchises have far more scope for some much needed humour (albeit occasionally dark) to offset the grimdark which could turn a series into a slog if overdone.

[@johnevans9156]

Dude. Your content is top tier. Keep it up, you are a giant in adolescence

[@chitzkoi]

(Leaning out of closet) Good video.

[@przemysawpietras8497]

😂

[@guillaumesoquet]

Great video mate, you earned a subscriber.

[@username12120]

Yes more WHFB, please!

[@NielsMulvad]

I got time this Saturday, so if you want to just spend a few hours or 20 then I am down to listening to ALL your ideas.

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Funny, i find centerpiece models the most off-putting thing about AOS. Minis not macros

[@oitoitoi1]

There's an awfully long list of off-putting things about aos, the mostly awful centre piece sculpts (apart from the WFB remakes like Kroak and Bel'akor) are just one of them.

[@radiospace7071]

I’m my opinion the center pieces are the best models he has made

[@fatrobin72]

For a tv film series... Gaunts Ghosts... it's just Sharpe in space.

[@davidmckay335]

I really enjoy these videos 😊

[@richardharrison4762]

So I was rooting around my bits box to see if I had any old fantasy models… I have the Ice Queen and Karl Franz! I may build an army just to flex if she is out of print 😊

[@mcole5780]

I’m shocked to hear bretonnia isn’t popular, I feel like they’re so cool.

[@mikoajbielawny1661]

Great material! Anyway - buying starter set of greenskins in my local shop tomorrow :P Wish me luck!

[@22bodach]

a lot of us dont want the massive centre pieces and stuff back most of us just want the fantasy world and all its characterful sculpts back. like i see younger generation a few complaining about skeletons and stuff. i actually want those daft skelly sculpts back. so i get that its dividing its fanbase a bit. i love fantasy but want it to remain more realistic and less far fetched like AoS.

[@oitoitoi1]

I think they got the message that what the community wanted was everything AoS is not; good storytelling, logical rules, a high skillcap wargame (not a videogame on the table like aos), a game that rewards tactics over stupid list building combos, a game that looks epic on the table, not a messy, disorganised mish mash of giant sculpts cluttering a tiny table. So far have to say I'm very happy with what they've delivered, although the "non supported factions" thing was very odd, and surprise surprise it's been forced by the talentless aos team.

[@ChrisKCook]

It's not going to be Space Marines. It's going to be Eishorn.

[@ToffeeDW]

More Warhammer Fantasy would be great. I really enjoy the system and the old models bring back a lot of nostalgia for me. Please if you could maybe create a video on the Gathering of Might large multiplayer battle in White Dwarf many years ago that would be even better. I'm really excited for Old World's release and I enjoyed this vid. Thanks!

[@bigbloke2000]

(EDIT: twins(!) not child): Disappointed to see Midwinter Minis mentioned. Guy (the host of Midwinter Minis) abandoning his new born *twins* and then wife (and at the time co-presenter in Midwinter minis videos) for a new women -- and then bringing this new women into Midwinter mini videos -- seemed at the time, and still does, really quite shockingly poor behaviour.

[@jeancouscous]

did he ?

[@giacomoromano8842]

I mean, Seraphons have Lord Kroak and various massive monsters, while Cities have Thalia, as well as Gryphons and dragons, i count those as centerpieces models.

[@bennconner1195]

I was hoping the orcs & goblins would get a multi part Center peace models like the tomb kinda & bretionians

[@DecayedAndy]

im hoping for them to remake dogs of war stuff and i loved those mini's and my god the price on ebay for them is nuts

[@blissfulbadger]

I agree with many of the things you said in this video. I was just disappointed not having Skaven in TOW. I already collect 3 of their games systems, so I'm okay not going to a 4th...

[@barneybeanus4007]

The age of sigmar novels help flesh out the world a lot some of them are really good

[@m704kt733]

I would love to see more warhammer Fantasy content!

[@johndethman3563]

I am excited for old world, that said I might not be that profitable. I will buy every book they print, but I will buy mostly from eBay. My army is 5th-7 metal HE. My OG are from all additions but the only thing I am planning is getting some more sqigs and perhaps a huge spider for gobo shaman gen.

[@aaronbasham6554]

On the King's of War bit, the game store I go to gave away the rule books for Kings of War for free. And Vanguard. And Mars attacks. And the supplements for Kings of War. I was the only person who took any of them, and Vanguard was a signed hardcover copy.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Mantics problem is that they look cheap, and was marketed as bargain basement warhammer. Their world is also cookie cutter boring.

[@aaronbasham6554]

@@martinjrgensen8234 I can conquer on look cheap. I have no idea how the hell they okayed having warped cannon barrels on the box art for the Dwarf Cannon, and then just...never got a different one.

[@Gaddafied23]

​@@martinjrgensen8234maybe 10 years ago, the new releases have been great

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

I have two sets of the galloper gun... I still need two

[@andrewj1754]

I have two, and 1 extra kitbashed one. I don't think I need any more.

[@Deliverygrot]

Im going to start a chaos army wish me luck

[@CocoHutzpah]

I get the feeling that all the Old World stuff sold out fast on the GW site because they had 10 of each. Whether thats true or not doesn't matter much to me; I got my rulebook and most of my Lizardmen when they were slightly less expensive.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

I just clicked at the thumb nail I was for sure this was a video by Jordan😅

[@noodles2459]

I just want dark elf reprints

[@KimMarkfoged]

Yes, please do make more Warhammer Fantasy content 🙂

[@peterixon8708]

Brilliant insight. Thanks!

[@TimboMacDW]

Great vid. ❤

[@noops9220]

Dranchenfels would be a great warhammer movie… on blood on the riek?

[@antigrav6004]

Still just going to say how happy i am to be able to buy tomb kings again. I wanted them when i was a teenager and 8th ed came out, but i couldn't afford it. Then they went oop

[@Lighthawk1986]

Not sure the age of sigmar video games selling is to do with the setting. It’s more to do with the games being seriously flawed or mobile cash grabs. A dark souls like game in AoS could be amazing for example.

[@oitoitoi1]

It's to do with the setting. The IP is a joke.

[@3009534]

More superior-hammer please.

[@JJR_01]

It was great to see a more balanced / positive video on KZbin about Old World. Seems like there is a lot of negativity from some KZbinrs. I would love see more of you delving into Old World and the WHFB history.

[@oitoitoi1]

so many jumped on the aos bandwagon for easy views when it was new and now can feel the floor beneath them falling away.

[@Balevolt]

Hearts of Iron but Warhammer sound great. Also, Gotrek and Felix would have been the best thing GW could do. But I doubt GW is that smart

[@bjwal6]

God these videos are tight and sharp and WONDERFUL. You’re just getting better, keep it up

[@Mittens_Gaming]

I bought a bunch of warriors of chaos models, the new ones, and bases. I miss warhammer fantasy, but have no desire to buy 26 yearold models.

[@Gilrichardsart]

That porkpie comment got me...

[@m0ng0b0t]

Well, while i mostly agree on your points, some are a bit far streched. 1. Supporting 17 factions isn't a Problem in it self. 40k has 21, if we count every Space Marine Faction together as one...^^ 2. They didn't reimagine all of the fantasy stuff for the better. Some things feel like cheap knock-offs. At least in terms of Lore but sometimes the design as well. For me f.e. die Fireslayers can't compete with their originals in both kategories. 3. The Game didn't stop selling because of the Miniature Ranges. It stoped selling because of shifting Focus by GW. As you said, early 2000s Lord of the Rings came out and focused heavily on the same Costumers which, from now on, had to decide on what to spent their money on. With the hype from the Movies and the starting trouble with the other System, LotR came out victorious. GW started to push the Concept of using Rules to push Sales more and more in the same time as well. Wich means, they downgraded Units on purpose to sell others. One Example has been the Imperial Mortar. every Imp Player already had them so GW brought the Rocket Launcher and downgraded the Mortar. In that time the Players haven't been used to that as much as nowadays. And, at last the Players felt cheated by GW. They again and again acted as if the Players could influence the Story but, of course, they could not. The Prime Example for this has been the global Storm of Chaos Summer Campaing mid 2000s, where Archaon the Everchosen pushed for the Old World, the first time... which has been redconed and redone in endtimes. They had an interactive Map where Players could enter their game results to determine the Story of the campaign. That was really cool and everyone was hyped. The "good" Players organiszed globally as "The Conclave of Light" in Forums etc. and decided wich faction should enter wich battlefield and wich "bad" Faction they should face, to play to their strengths. Which by itself, in early 2000s, has been a great feat. Social Media etc. wasn't availeble back then as it is today. Yes i'm old... That worked so well that the Campaign would have been a crushing defeat for Archaon... so GW turned the Switch and magically changed the results on their Campaign Website over night, again and again... If i'm not ready to accept the Results, then don't pretend to... My Point is, the game in it self hasn't been the Problem. Those were the dark times of bad or at least not well timed decisions aka the "Kirby" times. ;)

[@stonehorsegaming]

Evwn if it does failz we have the rules now, and they are very good rules. Talking of nostalgia, I was painting the last of my Space Hulk 2nd edition Genestealers while listening to this video. It is a very powerful drive.

[@atheist_addict]

Oh I get it now, Olden Demon. I’m so dumb.

[@EmpireFanatic]

Darke Elves are not problematic, and neither are Ogres... People need to stop being so overly sensitive on other peoples behalf... They are both fantasy factions.

[@soddof7972]

Thats Felix that is

[@777Lastmanstanding]

I am hoping for dogs of war again that would make me so happy. When i was young never had the money was just about to buy some and they were out of print. It has been a long time dream to owen a few.

[@IRDean]

Yes, more fantasy please!

[@theylivewesleep.5139]

Your point about “well if you don’t wanna play in a tournament or doesn’t matter’ falls flat if any of the excluded factions get bad rules, because that’s all they’re getting.