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[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

The Legion of the Damned do have a Legends sheet, Damned Legionnaires. It is in with the Agents of the Imperium Legends I know because I included them in my video on how Sisters of Battle Celestians didn't get a sheet but others did

[@Tectonix26]

You beat me to it, took me ages to find them

[@OldenDemon]

Well there you go. I really should get these scripts edited before I record them

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

it happens, I wouldn't worry. Usually I just pin a comment that gives the solution

[@Tectonix26]

They're not much to write home about but it won't stop me annoying my locals with them

[@boboayame2065]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber buy an ad

[@falsehero2001]

Came here for Legion of the Damned lore; ended up learning that the Catachan Barking Toad wasn't made up by TTS.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

TTS had to invent very little, 40K is just so full of very silly things.

[@MatthewBester]

That part about John Blanche, bikes and butterfly effect is brilliant. Totally correct. Our decisions echo through eternity.

[@cheapandtacky3472]

I can confirm that Warrington exists and is located as described. I was at that store opening and purchased the spectral primaris lieutenant.

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

Well done, fellow scout of the Imperium!

[@ArchibaldWisco]

Without stories like these, the pushpin-string-and-corkboard industry would be dead. Thanks for keeping us alive and entertained!

[@theemissary1313]

This is what i love about 40k lore. You can dig and dig, and quite often whatever two metaphorical shards of pottery you find can fit together and hold some water. I love this theory. And because of this, GW would smack it down in favour of something more dull.

[@chitzkoi]

Cracking work, boss. Filmdeg (a proud Chaos Dwarfs Online member) did us all big favours with the interviews he's done.

[@OldenDemon]

Yes, he is great

[@Filmdegminiatures]

You're both too kind! I just figure if I have the means and capability of providing these vids I should do them :)

[@chitzkoi]

@@Filmdegminiatures I think it's important to capture the history while we still can, and you did wonders with Blanche in particular compared to what guys like Wade were able to get out of him via official channels.

[@ronwingrove683]

Sergeant Centurius is the only 40k mini I still have. Somewhere. In a box in the garage. When he was finally released, a friend of mine and I went out to our local store (Brighton) and got there before it opened, and we *still* weren't the first people in line. There was a big swarm to the 40k wall, and I managed to snag two, one for me and one for my friend who managed to get trampled and shoved into the Gorkamorka table. Ah, memories. I wish I'd kept him in the blister pack, though, he'd probably be worth a fortune by now.

[@buckweevil]

The Mark Gibbons Dark Angel art on that White Dwarf really takes me back to being a kid. Were it not for Mark Gibbons, I might not have got into Warhammer at all, it was his iconic Skaven art that hooked me in.

[@euansmith3699]

I assume that the Legion of the Damned are the Emperor's Daemons; a sign that the Emperor is starting to stir in his slumber (with the Emperor's disembodied spirit tethered in the Warp and soaking up the psychic energy of the faith of humanity). But, then, my favourite quote in 40k comes from the Inquisitor rulebook, "Everything you know is a lie..." Thanks for another great video. 💀👍

[@cyitain9856]

I think they also showed up for the battle of the webway at the end of the heresy but I can’t remember off the top of my head.

[@MichaelBW-bn9gf]

​@@cyitain9856whell of memery serves at one point the emporor literally summons the ghost of farus manus to battle for him. So I would not be surprised

[@petersmith6513]

Nobody wants to talk about the Inquisition Wars by Ian Watson. Until we have an honest discussion about those books everything is up for grabs.

[@Pizzifrizzo]

This is very similar to my headcanon on the Legion's origins, with the big added bonus of learning about the dead Emperor theory! Well put together and fun, I'll be sure to check some other videos on this channel. One addition, if you like: if I remember correctly, there is an old story called "Animus Malorum", which implies Centurius is actively recruiting new members into the legion among the marines they help out. And, if my memory doesn't betray me, in that story it's also revealed that Centurius uses to be a veteran in the Fire Hawks' 1st Company and his (presumably empty) tomb lies somewhere on a shrine world. Neat stuff, I hope it's still available on Black Library's site.

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

We have a GW store, on the Gold Coast - Australia, just called "Warhammer". It is in Broadbeach. It is very rarely open (like, hours of 10am-2pm), it can't possibly be a GW store, yet there it is. It's like a Terry Pratchett style "old book shop". Possibly full of magical artifacts or passages through L-space. I haven't ever had time in or out of work to visit it, but I'm almost sure it won't be open for business even during those hours (unless you're of the right cult or etc, then your handshake will open the door to wonders unseen).

[@stephenproctor7027]

Never expected my home town of Warrington to ever be mentioned in a Warhammer 40k vid, but here we are. Been in that shop an awful lot in my time. Unfortunately it is now shut, I'm sad to say. Great work as always!

[@autobotskyflame6287]

I have an old army of Legion of the Damned, including Centurius. Bought it at the local game store. It's pretty cool. A lot of them beakies, some having flames molded on while others are painted. I'm thinking about painting some Reivers in the colors.

[@nathanwtc742]

This was hugely entertaining. Brilliant. It must have taken you ages to bring all that lore together in a coherent yet mad genius way! Absolutely wonderful.😊

[@mikedrew604]

I had that White Dwarf, purchased a couple of years later from my FLGS (Hey Southsea Models, one of the early GW stockists). It also had the great WFRP adventure The Ritual (no Night of Blood, but what is) and the first CoC 5e scenario I ever ran (I miss the days you got RP material in a WD). These guys always stuck with me though. I started with your vid on the Guard, then the Eldar, no one was around to "Look out sir!" and I have taken a mole mortar round of nostalgia with a hit on the scatter die.

[@jackmana3289]

Heresy! Wheres the doggo! We can't ophold of the word of the great tube-emperor without the doogo!

[@axel2741]

16:16

[@crowboy9818]

Best LotD deep dive on YT. Well done sir. Thoroughly enjoyed. I hope that with such a strong following GW do release new LotD models and rules for 10th or 11th edition

[@chibizion]

Just going to toss in that "the Golden Throne Hungers" is an event from 989.M36 where they had to quadruple the number of psykers they feed the Astronomicon.

[@OldenDemon]

That sounds like it’s in a rulebook somewhere? I suppose that could also be taken as a sign he is still alive and just requires feeding to produce magic tricks.

[@chibizion]

@@OldenDemon 6th Ed core rulebook is where I saw it. It could also mean he is dead and they need four times the psykers to make up for his.output when he was alive.

[@AnotherMC]

This was a fun alternative to the previous content you’ve made.

[@Squirrel-Ace]

I’m pressing buttons to make the numbers go up. Also, all these old white dwarf covers you show, makes me reminisce about how many I used to own before getting rid of them 😢

[@olly123451]

Awesome deep dive on the topic, and I have to say that I adore the vibe that all the videos on this channel have.

[@Pellejones]

I love the editing. But it is a bit hectic to read the text under the logo and listen at the same time. Also, the sound is peaking a lot. Try recording with a lower input volume and add a maximizer or compressor after (but keep the compression on the low side). Keep these videos up, they are amazing to watch! Thank you for making them.

[@Chris-et2fm]

I saw a very accurate lore video about the Barking Toad of Catachan, Vulkan booped the snoot

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

"Why do people live here!" Corvis Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard.

[@MrDuckyart]

Aaaand subbed. What a nostalgia-filled trip down memory lane these videos have been and the humour 10/10.

[@Pyr0mantic]

Outstanding content. You're making me want to dust off my old Codices and reread them. Just needs more sausages please.

[@JoeyJoJoJoestarJuniorShabadoo]

I didn't know that the Emperor is supposed to be really dead this whole time. I hope they run with that in the future when the Astronomican finally goes out, and don't forget about the whole Sensei and Star Child business.

[@designjobber]

I was actually gripped to this video and had a chuckle at your attempt to pronounce Lught Huron's name 😂. Great video as always!

[@WanderlustZero]

Mind=blown. That short story with the tech-adept always stayed with me too...

[@muthpeterpatrik]

Noe this is some deep deep lore. Congrats! Awesome pacing.

[@LavaDrink]

Amazing work. Please continue these old-lore perspective of Warhammer 40k

[@baronmadschnapps]

I've really been enjoying your videos. Back in 2nd grade my teacher brought in his old early 100's issues of White Dwarf and I was enthralled by them. Having maintained an interest more in the lore and the books than the wargame, I do still watch the occasional battle report as spooned up by the algorithm. So I discovered you through the early battle report retellings, which are great and nostalgic, and are why I subscribed, certainly. However, I must say also very much enjoyed this deep dive. The Legion of the Damned are a lore and chapter I am entirely unfamiliar with, and your method of introduction and comprehensive education on the subject was a delight. Your humour, visual presentation and story telling abilities benefit you in this video, along with your previous work. I look forward to your next video, no matter the subject, with baited breath. Cheers!

[@OldenDemon]

Thank you very much. The response to this has given me the ok to explore other styles of videos

[@TheRealCeeJai]

19:20 You forgot the part that after the skull sucks the life force from something, that it can bring a dead Legionnaire back to the fight. Man, I want to see the lore on this "Chapter" expanded. The Legion were one of the reasons I actually leaned into a Space Marine army (instead of the Orks or other army in the boxed starter set). The fact that this totally heavy metal "Chapter" just appears out of nowhere, brutally saves the day, and then disappears with almost no trace or evidence they were even there is just an awesome set up. Throw in the original lore about how they're also commonly wreathed in spectral flame and it just gets more badass.

[@TheRagingModeller]

I went at that store for that event and I got the poster with certificate, and I got the model! Sadly it was stolen

[@oli_f]

You mentioned you’d like some input and thoughts on this format so: This was a really cool deep dive into lore, but I think the older format of video is better than this. I feel the voice circle thingy took from the flow, and made it feel more like a podcast (still something I would definitely listen to) whereas normally your videos engage me personally with the visual gags and audio references to them, and the fantastic images you find from the books. This was still a great video though! Perhaps there’s a new format of deep dive audio only lore exploring (which could forgo a large amount of images in favour for referenced content and more fantastic descriptions) while also continuing with the humour filled dog vids ☺️

[@rp7155]

I agree with all of this

[@rudinipl4012]

This

[@KaeEbonrai]

I also agree with all of this too

[@OldenDemon]

To be honest I had the idea of the equaliser when I realised I had 20 mins of audio of fill on a unit that has less than 10 painted models and two pieces of artwork. Then I forgot to add the second piece of artwork.

[@rp7155]

@@OldenDemon I mean, we’re nitpicking here, it was a great video and I loved it

[@rickstar171]

Great video, nice to see the Legion getting some love. Fought them many times in 2nd edition

[@adamherring9803]

This is great. Wonderful research and detail, and yet all I have in my mind at the end is Arnold J Rimmer saying 'Death isn't the handicap it used to be' in the worst scouse accent ever from the Red Dwarf episode Future Echos.

[@updfdrakkell143]

Gotta say this is one of the more in depth vids ive seen on TLotD. Great work!

[@MrTumnus1987]

“Except in the Public Sector” had be spit my drink out with immediate laughter, bravo sir! Great video! I loved that John Blanche revelation, it ties back to the irony of 40k’s setting & the way it was written in the late 80’s & early 90’s. Something I heartily agree with & think we’ve lost a lot of the dark irony and gallows humour about the Imperium that existed before. The very idea that the Emperor is just a corpse in a vat that is just a psychic beacon is brilliant. The Imperium will at all costs expend every single ounce of violence, energy and effort to protect and not anyone ‘look behind the curtain’ and discover the ultimate dark truth is just perfect.

[@MichaelBW-bn9gf]

I agree it butefule and perfect. That's why I have fallen in love with some of the really old stories in the blood angels omnibus collection. Just that old darkness to it in the unemaginalble deps of a spacehullk or the sewers of a manuftoreum.

[@bastonneknight9478]

I don't know how interesting this would be, but a video about the changing size of the space marines in the lore over time. Opportunities for some tongue in cheek jabs, while also a chance to talk about their evolution.

[@kitchensinkmuses4947]

this is the lore i'm up for, like an archivist and an archaeologist having a discussion over too much amasec and spicy lho sticks.

[@Mouseling216]

when was the Greater Catachan Barking Toad retconned away? I thought they were just not mentioned anymore which is different to retcon (and the lesser barking toads used to explode with a blast marker)

[@Muukip]

IIRC, the Catachan Barking Toad was mentioned in a white Dwarf article for Catachan Jungle Fighters in 3rd edition and even had rules.

[@benh4390]

This was a lot of fun, pulled together some threads to make a theory I hadnt heard before and exceedingly entertaining as always!

[@R_Didsy]

I'd love for you to dig further. There's so much more lore for the Legion of the Damned out there. The way you've managed to piece together these decade-spanning lore fragments is impressive, and you might be able to figure out the Legion of the Damned once and for all!

[@SnakeWorksStudio]

You can't beat a bit of Legion of the damned! love it. What's coming next?

[@kwest9747]

The Black Rage only exists because the Blood Angels are dumb enough to ingest their dieing Primarch’s blood and their Omophagea extracts his memories, giving them ptsd just waiting to be triggered into a flashback of that fateful final battle on Horus’s battlebarge.

[@CantusTropus]

This was super cool, mate, would love to see more!

[@jonesfigures]

My dude. LotD is my favorite thing in all of 40k (RT/2E era guy) an your video is probably one of my all time favorites! Carry on brother! 🤘🔥💀

[@Ayatron34]

Daemons of the Emperor.

[@CocoHutzpah]

Oooo, mysterious. The Legion of the Damned have always been one of those neat things that I hope GW will keep ambiguous. It makes them more fun.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Yeah the lost Legions and how nobody knows anything about the Alpha Legion are so much fun.

[@Filmdegminiatures]

Awesome stuff! And thanks for the shoutout! :)

[@talscorner3696]

A robed figure killing a tech adept who has seen too much could be a Custos wanting to protect the secret of the Emperor's death. It could be anyone anywhere in the Imperium.

[@UnwittingSweater]

Interesting video but lacks dachshunds.

[@OldenDemon]

There was one. How many do I need to meet the threshold?

[@UnwittingSweater]

@@OldenDemon ..... 6? Joking aside I just liked the idea of a talking dashund that loves warhammer but I guess I need to come to the realisation that you are probably an actual human person.....

[@OldenDemon]

@@UnwittingSweater "Probably"

[@ChazCharlie1]

Really enjoyable video with great jokes. The service studs on the skull have a very suspicious pattern...

[@simoncoquin47]

Awsome… so great narrative 👏. I want more ! Well done 👍

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

So deep! Great work like always mate 🍻

[@exterminans]

Tremendous video. I love it. I don't believe the Emperor ever died but I like how they kept it all vague and ambiguous to gaslight you into thinking that maybe the Chaos guys are right about the "corpse emperor". Subscribed.

[@ianhorne2884]

Oh snap, I remember reading that text box. I haven't thought about it for years.

[@LRGCarter]

I was re-watching this and saw that the Fire Hawks were on their way to "Crows World" and I thought, wait a second, are the Legion of the Damned based on the 1980s comic The Crow, in which a dead goth goes on an undead rampage of vengeance? Caus that would totally fit with 40K's modus operandi of the time. Then I spent a while checking publishing dates and it seems that the White Dwarf article is roughly two months shy of preceding The Crow by a whole year! I'm guessing Mr P hadn't seen work-in-progress material from the comic creators. Must have just been something in the water around that time.

[@IamtheWV17]

Station forge is gonna have me printing a legion of the damned combat patrol... this video is well timed.

[@revylokesh1783]

Aaah, the Socratis Doom Reapers 😅

[@ellifahmerril6611]

Just slips in a casual dis on the Invader. XD

[@TakiwaraTaki]

I heared in a YT video that in one of the newer books the Emperors body was actually starting to heal and was hinting on the comeback of the Emperor

[@D1-Games]

I've just been well and truly outnerded here... 😅 Great stuff!! 😎

[@Pazuzu4All]

My personal headcannon was that the Legion of the Damned are the ghosts of the betrayed Astartes who died on Istvaan III and V, since the Legion of the Damned are referenced in the HH. Also, the problem with the Dead Emperor theory is that Guilliman recently had a conversation with the Emperor on Terra. If you can go and have a conversation with this disembodied spirit's corpse, is it really a disembodied spirit?

[@tbird1053]

This was great. I’d love more videos like this.

[@Bluecho4]

I, for one, think the old lore about the Legion of the Damned being infected with a warp virus the least compelling one. For starters, it sucks any mystery out, by giving them a "logical"/"scientific" explanation. For another, it's an explanation that means there's inherently a limited shelf life for the Legion of the Damned, because they're all dying and cannot be replaced. Even setting aside Warp time nonsense, they'll only ever get weaker. That's lame. I much prefer to just say "The Legion of the Damned are ghosts" and leave it at that. If for no other reason than I think 40K could use more ghosts. "Nighthaunt, But In Space" would be a sick concept for an army. But that's besides the point.

[@mrspeigel3593]

Eh, unknown warp contagion is about as logical and scientific as the average hypnotic regression session.. Also .."even in death I still serve "

[@kerbal666]

I went to Warrington earlier this year to see a friend and I can confirm it's definitely in between Liverpool and Manchester and the games workshop store is definitely there I went inside 😁

[@onerollbattles]

But was it on the site of a haunted mansion?

[@kerbal666]

@@onerollbattles If you ever been to Warrington you would know the whole place quite possibly haunted 🤣

[@ThomasMurch]

11:33 - Ah, I'd almost forgotten about those creepers...

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

11:55 - to be fair, 112 is pretty young for someone at the top of the Imperium hierarchy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hippiass]

That story in issue 195 has been bugging me since I was a kid! It makes so much sense now.

[@dementiamaster12]

Really love this channel. Been watching since the first video and hope it keeps growing

[@quinnswart9669]

20 MIN OF OLDENHAMMER GOODNESS, THE EMPEROR HAS BLESSED US

[@tanks451]

Weirdly, this works well if you view the deity that is worshipped by Thorrians as the Dark King, this also makes a ton of sense. If you worship someone, they don't receive your prayer *the warp does.* Hence why the Emperor was ultra sensitive about the not Worshipping him thing. He was fully aware of what would happen if it came to pass. And if the Dark King possessed the Emperor Body, but was then entombed upon the Golden Throne, it would've delayed its Acesion until the M36. The Legion of The Damned being nothing more than Imperial Daemons.

[@TheRoark]

My head canon is that the legend of the Damned are the souls of those betrayed at istvan, with the fire Hawks being added in as reinforcements to explain that part of the lore

[@MaxwellGravelle]

Your content is so good and engaging.

[@WarringtonMusic]

Warrington is indeed between Manchester and Liverpool. As we need to tell people daily 😂 was also home to ikea’s first U.K. store.

[@smash_hamster]

This is an absolutely awesome video and I'm 100% here for more like it.

[@ALPHARIUS8035]

FINALLY!!!! BY THE GOLDEN LIGHT OF THE CARRION LORD!!!!!!! Thank you for giving references and source material. Many of us have been waiting for a channel that shares where the original lore lays. Excellent and studious work. AVE GLORIA IMPERATOR GALACTICA.

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

This was a good theory, well done.

[@jamesladbrook8255]

Think I have my Centurius model somewhere as he survived the warp storm that was my partner making me sell a shed load of 40k stuff many years ago

[@BSJDynasty]

How good is this channel dude

[@brendanmuller7301]

Nice theory. I've always assumed that the emperor's body while dead, was keeping some form of his soul or shattered soul trapped unable to fully ascend. Kinda like him being a lich and the throne serving as his phylactery that's constantly being powered by psykers being fed to it keeping him there. I also always thought, based on his interactions with guilliman and what mortarion sees the emperor's soul fragmented into quite a few warp beings, some being a rough equivalent of an aeldari god as hinted a few years ago, another being tied to his corpse, and many more just out there, suffering eternally due to the pain of the throne impacting his very being on an almost conceptual level. None of these would be able to properly come back together and he's stuck as a dead "god" of many faces, just as he was a living "god" who took many identities over the years. He's stuck in an eternal hell of his own making one that despite all of his powers, despite his perpetuality, despite his psychic might, cannot escape.

[@coalitionofrob436]

Wow, that got deep………. I appreciate the episode, would give 10/10 if it had more dogs.

[@TENGUartesmarciales]

😮great video, subscribed!

[@Stewartg67]

Well done! 👍

[@dabba_dabba]

Man, you're making me nostalgic talking about old white dwarfs and how it was harder to get 40k Lore. It made the Warhammer very esoteric when very few people knew about it back in the day and we had to resort to white dwarf and Codexes for lore bits This was a time where you had to fill in the gaps on Lore and think for yourself a little bit. Over the last couple decades it seems so many people demanded answers that now we're just being spoon fed

[@MichaelBW-bn9gf]

Sadly that seems to be a problem with a lot of Media nowadays. Because a lot of new people to these story's just don't now how or refuse to engage in theater of the mind, and demand to have the story explained to them instead of having to peas it together by yourself or with frnds and coming to there own conclusions and interpretation of the story.

[@bluebutton36]

But the first appearance of the LotD according to their codex in 6th edition happened in 006.M40, which is far before the disappearance of the Fire Hawks.

[@OldenDemon]

I was working off the original idea from them in the 90's. I'm going to chalk those attacks down down to either the time effects of the warp, a writer confused about the timeline or an abandoned attempt to retcon their origin story

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

Warp shenanigans affecting time are nothing new.

[@DarrenMalin]

your voice sounds a bit like David Mitchell and that Sir is nothing but goodness :) Subb'ed !

[@owb1979]

The 25% off vouchers for store openings did a lot of work for me in the 90s. Dad, can you drive me to, er... York please?

[@richardvaldes3959]

Just found this channel love it

[@BeepBoopFriendo]

Maybe Emps has bitten the dust, but so what? Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the olden days, it doesn't screw your career up like it used to.

[@ChickenCrazy7]

this is a really really cool, very well done video!

[@PlasmaDavid]

Less absurd AI art is a good choice IMO, nice one! Also great to see fluff investigation that looks at the series as a whole, as an ever changing fictional collaboration (to make money)

[@jfpose]

This is some gloriously unhinged rabbitholing. I salute you sir!

[@stixdan]

Great video, really enjoyed trying to wrangle decades of conflicting lore into one narrative, excellent work! 😅

[@jonny_kung]

Isn't the Emperor a perpetual though, like Vulkan, so he can't actually die unless something catastrophic happens psychically or his brain gets melted? In either case, nothing like that happened to him. It's my theory that the Emperor retains part of his spirit within this physical body on the Golden Throne to keep the Astronomicon working but the bulk of his spirit is in the warp, helping his sons that need it and enacting his own grand designs - He helped Guilliman defeat Mortarion. He also seems to be waiting for something, as it's been hinted that the emperor communicated to Cypher, that his time to kill the emperor is close at hand, but not quite yet.

[@murphy7801]

Perpetuals are much later lore. But also malcador turned to dust in the golden throne. So?

[@jonny_kung]

@@murphy7801 True. But Malcador didn't possess even a fraction of the psychic might of the Emperor, who had already used the Golden Throne plenty of times before Malcador. The time of perpetuals doesn't detract from them now being a thing and always existing.

[@z-mkgaming7464]

Only question is how does this fit in with the new lore like Godblight where the Emperor possesses Guilliman

[@azoxystrobin]

Nice analysis, I like it.

[@antigrav6004]

I wish they'd come back, they were such a cool concept. They'd fit the direction the lore is going too.

[@Jammybee]

19:15 Emancipated corpses? I guess that probably works in 40k :D