OLED Monitors Ruined Me

[@danielowentech]

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[@diocub4022]

Have u tried the mini led like the neo g8, no risk of burn in and close to oled like black levels.

[@LOOTLORD605]

🎉

[@haewymetal]

Hey Owen. You dont REALLY have to think about your graphics card when it comes to a 4K display. Integerscaling works perfectly and lets you play games at native 1080p with the added benefit of higher PPI so you dont see any pixels at all. I get your point for users who want to only play at 4K. But theres no real reason to play at 4K when theres integerscaling (prety much everything) or DLSS/FSR Performance for that 1080p performance or balanced -> quality depending on the game. Also integerscaling should work on all models.

[@karma9007]

@@LOOTLORD605 Looks like a hacker used my account to comment here.

[@aberkae]

FYI the lG 48 inch oled monitor fell to $699 new at LG. Ultragear.

[@b3as_t]

Just ordered a 1440p 180hz display, never used anything above 60hz at 1080p, I hope its worth it. Edit: Just got it and any applications or my mouse in motion is amazing. As most people said I don't know if I can go back haha 😂

[@iceeboerg]

trust me, your gaming life is gonna change, its insane

[@fffrrraannkk]

1440p is a nice jump from 1080p which you will notice. Plus it's not nearly as taxing on your system like 4k.

[@zergilli9719]

I went from an Asus 1080p 60hz monitor to an MSI 1440p 180hz one.. it's at least twice as good with the color and brightness. At minimum.

[@pirx9798]

You will notice even how smooth mouse movement in Windows is in comparison.

[@Izzydawizzy]

Does it have freesync or gsync? Make sure to turn that on in the monitor settings, and Nvidia control panel or what ever amd uses

[@Core2]

Once you go OLED, you never go back, ever!

[@gildardo]

We need a more catchy phrase. Totally agree though.

[@Lord_Seiborg]

Same thing with Asian Women!

[@beansnrice321]

I accidentally did with a phone switch and it's the worst. =(

[@rogoznicafc9672]

@@Lord_Seiborg why?

[@greenmonkey.8403]

"Once you go O-L-E-D, you'll never want to leave!"

[@Jeff.55649]

My C2 42" will stay with me until I can get 165 hz or 240 hz. Never buying a trash monitor again.

[@arghpee]

yeah buying a TV specially LG is the way to go for a OLED display. TVs are basically just giant monitors.

[@asmod4n]

Same, got it new for less than 1k just by chance, guess i wont be that lucky again any time soon.

[@Dionyzos]

I got mine for 650€ and it's hard to justify buying one of the new 32" ones for double the price even though the size would be better as a monitor for me personally.

[@cazschiller]

3rd here. Bought a c2 cheap. Great decision, been 18mo since He's right tho, 3070ti chugs slow with some games.

[@GrandoSilver]

Same here! Absolute game changer for me.

[@fastica]

I bought a 27 inch OLED monitor a year ago and all the anti burn in features ruined my experience. I finally went back to my old IPS monitor. Yes, my blacks now suck, but at least the brightness is constant, my whites are always bright and I can leave the monitor turned on without fear of burn in.

[@FR4NKM4N]

Very refreshing to see a comment from a observant user. You are absolutely right. The 27 inch OLEDs that have been released in recent years have awful drawbacks. Not all OLEDs suck as bad as the 27 inch ones tho. I think they have such bad dimming and safety features because they were oriented towards gamers.

[@mcod99]

I still use my oled 27 inch for gaming but when I tried to edit and use photoshop, it was terrible. Oled for me is only for content consumption.

[@DMPLAYER1000]

I can’t speak for all OLED experiences, but I recently got a 32’ 4k monitor from alienware that uses 3rd gen QD-OLED and I haven’t had any brightness issues while gaming with all of the anti burn-in features enabled during long stretches of playing. I refresh the monitor every 4-ish hours when I take a break though, but that’s something that I personally don’t mind doing.

[@MorbidHunter]

I couldn’t care less about the anti burn features. 2000 hours later I love my monitor and have no signs of burn in

[@Trickzter1337]

Yeah the whole micro managing shit that you have to do around it in order for the burn in to not happen sooner just sounds exhausting.

[@zodwraith5745]

I still don't trust OLED. My habits have always been full of static images for hours on end and I don't trust myself to change 3 decades of habits. Especially when OLED still carries way too much of a price premium even though it's far from a new technology. OLED _doesn't_ cost significantly more than LCD to produce, but it's artificially inflated in price because they have no other halo technology to replace it they can price gouge customers for. It looks nice, but I won't buy it until it's priced competitively with LCD.

[@saybrowt]

I have a headset with a control thingy with an OLED screen. I had set it to go to standby mode (very low brightness) as quickly as possible and still burn in happened.

[@erickalvarez6486]

Bro Switch Oled is fine, Oled tech has evolved, you don't need to worry bout static images, you'll have to have that screen for 3 years on with the same image 24/7 in order to have a slight image burn. No cap you can see videos about Switch Oled Max Lighting being turnes on for years and you'll see is not big of a deal.

[@q93p28]

@@erickalvarez6486 Leave the "no cap" to the kids, I can't take you serious.

[@saricubra2867]

"halo technology to replace it they can price gouge customers for" They are inferior for gaming vs CRTs, their motion clarity still sucks. In fact, OLED is on a price bubble right now and VGA CRTs are absurdly cheap for the crazy motion clarity and quality they can deliver.

[@zodwraith5745]

@@saricubra2867 CRTs have their own set of caveats. Limited size. Limited resolution. Limited brightness. Power consumption. And the obvious ridiculous physical dimensions. I have no desire to go back to my 400lb supertube or 120lb monitor to get the tiny benefits of cathode ray. But you're correct that OLED is artificially inflated in price. It's not new, not expensive to make, and they would still be profitable selling them at $300 along side $300 LCD TVs. But why sell a TV for $300 when the unknowing will pay $800 for them? 8k flopped hard so OLED will remain artificially overpriced until they can find something else they can call the new "must have" feature. I'm betting it will be high refresh and that's exactly why TV makers have been so resistant to allow higher speed connections that have already existed for years now. HDMI 2.1 was finalized _LONG_ ago but only started popping up in TVs recently, and NO TV supports DP. I'm guessing to protect their overpriced monitor lines to gatekeep high refresh to far more profitable monitors.

[@typingcat]

Is OLED the right monitor for me? Yes. Do I have the money? No.

[@taskmaster5437]

I feel like people should look at their monitor just as much as they look at their GPU funding. I mean, after all, we don't look at our GPUs all day when playing games. Personally, I value the monitor a bit more which is why I fit a 4k QD-OLED monitor into my budget and then a 4070 super FE.

[@arvinsim]

If you are gaming with a 4070, you should have gotten 1440p QD-OLED instead

[@taskmaster5437]

@@arvinsim why should i sacrifice on pixel density, 1440p at 27” ain’t it.

[@jorge69696]

Office chairs is something else people don't give much thought to despite spending thousands of hours in them.

[@Kumoiwa]

100% people spending 1500 on a 4090 to play on some trash IPS or VA monitor is outright stupid

[@Kira11259]

@@KumoiwaI am pretty sure people who buy 4090 usually have great monitors as well. There are tons of great IPS and VA monitors

[@ddnava96]

Warning: The so called "pixel refresher" doesn't refresh pixels with burn in. Instead, it just burns everything else and now the whole panel has burn-in, but it's just a less noticeable, even burn-in. Over time it will affect the image quality in a more noticeable way

[@dabelidubelidabelidadada1222]

So what are you suggesting then

[@Valkyrslayer]

@@dabelidubelidabelidadada1222 the manual pixel refresh should only be run when you see issues not as preemptive measure. LG OLED TVs have an automatic refresh hat runs automaticly so the manual one should only be used when you see issues because the pixels wear out faster. Burn In on OLEDs is not literally burn in. It is uneven pixel wear out. The pixel refresh tries to mitigate this by adjusting healthier pixels to the worn out ones.

[@dabelidubelidabelidadada1222]

@@Valkyrslayer damn, I've been doing it a lot. Thanks man

[@atavusable]

SO controlled damage.

[@dabelidubelidabelidadada1222]

@@Valkyrslayer Do you know if it's the same case for ASUS oleds btw?

[@maksimklimuk]

Real talk. Here's my hot take: OLED Monitors are nowhere near OLED TVs and it's kinda ironic since monitors are smaller in size. I bought a newly released Alienware 27in 360hz 1440p QD-OLED monitor(AW2725DF) that had amazing reviews. When I got it I thought I was pranked because my expectations were too high based on the reviews. I was happy with vibrancy in colors and 360hz but it just was not bright enough in any mode. My 6 year old LCD monitor had higher brightness. Every time I turned Alienware on, It reminded me of my old bright monitor. So, I returned it. I did not give up on OLED since I know it can do better (most phones now have better panels than what most TVs people have). I researched and personally looked at the new OLED TVs. LG G4 4K 120hz OLED TV looked spectacular and I bought it. I cant be happier with it's brightness, contrast, black levels and other features. Compared to the Alienware, it's just an eye candy. I looked up at the brightness levels of other OLED Monitors and it's just sad. I won't be upgrading my actual monitor for a while because of how pathetic they are.

[@afgncap]

I have AW3423DW and it is actually better than my old LG B9 TV, but I am a bit sensitive to light so when monitor or TV is too bright it almost hurts.

[@userblame632]

Did you not have HDR on? What HDR was it certified for? I’m using a aw3423dw and with HDR1000 it’s eye searing bright, it literally hurts my eyes to look at the sun. If it was too dim with HDR on in SDR content, there is a slider in windows to adjust that balance. Slider automatically defaults to be the dimmest for SDR.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

Also not only was hdr on? But were you using an amd card? Amd cards are known to not work right in hdr1000 on those alienwares.

[@somename86]

How is that ironic smaller size in electronics always means tradeoffs guess why your smartphone won't compete with a gaming pc.

[@Keemochi420]

you oled monitor are great specially like me who plays both competitive and story games but for you hell yea TV oleds are amazing than monitors for Story Games and Movies, Work. but for competitive I dont really know but for me its just too big so yea Oled Gaming Monitor it is

[@ehenningsen]

I went from a 7 year old, $250 1080p LCD Sanyo TV to an S90C 4k QD-OLED 144hz screen. It has changed my experience entirely. I used to scoff at good graphics, and i now know why - its because good graphics looked bad on my TV. Now i am immersed, completely. I am going to upgrade to an S95D this year as I view it as the ultimate display for gaming technologies.

[@stanmarsh8796]

I switched from 55"C1 to S95B. The improvement was tremendous. I felt the same wow effect like when I first switched from LCD-screen to LG C1.

[@GummyGruffi]

Too bad samsung still refuses to pay for dolby vision support and keeps pushing their hdr10+. No DV - no buy.

[@stanmarsh8796]

@@GummyGruffi True, thats why I only use S95B in my game-room. Regarding gaming nothing comes close to QD-OLED. I also have a Philips 65OLED908 in my living-room. It supports both DolbyVision and HDR10+, and its the first PhilipsTV with MLA panel. I tried gaming on it, but I cant get used to it, colours just suck once you are used to QD-OLED. MLA is much brighter tho, and movies look great on it, but its just not for gaming.

[@stanmarsh8796]

@@GummyGruffi True, but I only use S95B in my gaming-room, so its no issue. I also recently bough a 65" Philips OLED908 for my living-room, which uses MLA panel and supports both DolbyVision and HDR10+. I tried gaming on it, but its simply cant compete against a QD-OLED. MLA OLED is definetly brighter, and movies look amazing on it, but its just not for gaming.

[@stanmarsh8796]

@@GummyGruffi My S95B is in my gaming-room, so its no issue. I dont need DV there😁 I also have a 65" Philips OLED908 in my living-room. This TV has MLA-Panel from LG. I tried gaming on it, but its no match against S95B regarding colour. MLA-OLED looks definetly amazing with movies, and I like it that Philips supports both DV and HDR10+. Most of the content on Amazon Prime supports HDR10+. So you definetly need both. But regarding gaming MLA-OLED simply cant compete.

[@ehenningsen]

I don't care for DV as my Samsung S90C uses a very similar HDR tech.

[@ricarnuninho80]

4:52 - the faster response time does NOOOOT belong the less motion blur! What shameful and confusion!! Because we get still motion blur on OLED! But yes the shorter persistence time (equal to harder flicker/strobe or to higher vertical frequency) reduces the motion blur.

[@celestialsylveon6453]

I'm like the opposite, I went from a IPS to a VA that a lot of people consider inferior and I'm liking it a lot more! It has really deep blacks and a lot of contrast for the colours, so it really feels like an upgrade. But I did go from a cheap 1080p@60 monitor a cheap 3440x1440@144 so your mileage may vary!

[@mark_delight]

I also can't imagine ever going back from my 42" LG C2. I orginally had a 48" CX as my first OLED computer display, but that was just too large to be comfortable. The 42", though, is the perfect sweet spot for me.

[@saiyaman9000]

I was going to go for a C2 but my country has a tv license required so I went for an oled monitor instead.

[@TheEgzi]

42 really is amazing!

[@SarthakBhatia]

​@@saiyaman9000if you mean UK. TV lisence is not mandatory. It's only if you watch LIVE TV on it. 😂

[@InvntdXNEWROMAN]

I added a 65" C2 as a third monitor that aligns with my bed couple years ago. Games I play with a controller, I put steam into big picture mode and enjoy the comfort of my bed with a massive OLED panel 😂

[@kingkase0079]

@@saiyaman9000 maybe im being stupid for asking this but afaik you dont need a tv license if you arent watching/using live channels, say you only use it for youtube or gaming then you shouldnt need a license lol

[@Superdazzu2]

i bought an alienware aw3423dwf refurbished for 600 euros 1 week ago, been using it for 3 days, it's BLOWING my mind, coming from a lg 27gp850 ips, colors are almost the same but man the contrast and the hdr peak 1000 mode are worth it so much i'm very very sensitive and yet i don't notice fringing or vrr flickering

[@Kaudrag33]

Asus rog swift pg32ucdm on my side. Had the alienware aw3225qf and returned because of VRR flickering. My Asus one has it too... And I don't now what I can do. Try Forza horizon 5 yourself. Drive a car with a dark fitting and you'll see it instantly. Same with Avatar frontiers of pandora. Flickering in darker areas and corners. Strange is, that the flickering is always there. People said, that it would only be there with heavy fps fluctuations. I capped mine. Framerate and frametime graph are completely flat. No drops or spikes what so ever. No background applications are open. Only the game launcher itself. I tried unplugging my second monitor. Didn't help. I'm asking myself if it could be windows 10... I'm using a rtx 4090 with windows 10... Could windows 11 fix that problem?

[@yugdesiral]

Got it a few months ago for gaming but movies look ridiculously good.

[@Kaudrag33]

@@yugdesiral Yes! That's true. But how is gaming on your side? Would be really interesting. Have you noticed VRR flickering?

[@Superdazzu2]

@@yugdesiral movies in hdr? Which hdr mode? I tried hdr videos and movies but hdr peak 1000 dims the image too much, hdr true black is somewhat better with high apl content, i've yet to try the movie hdr mode

[@Superdazzu2]

@@Kaudrag33 tried, still can't notice flickering. Even at low framerates, and vrr is enabled, i double checked

[@Matkinson123]

Bought a 42" LG C3 not long ago, and I'm never going back. Love the glossy screen personally. Best screen I've ever bought, was an impulse purchase as well as I was getting sick of compromising with crappy monitors throughout the years.

[@ldope3904]

My thoughts exactly. Been surrounded by Samsung tvs and monitors for the last 10-15 years. They were great before 4k stuff. A 4k curved screen was a gimmick but still looked decent. Got a 4k monitor from them in 2020, looked pretty awful and lacked basic features. Roomate got a brand new 4k 120 hz samsung tv and I was happy I didn't buy it because it didn't look great. Was tired of Samsung and always heard awesome things about LG tvs so I said fuck it. Very happy I did. Can't believe what I been missing out on. Never going back to Samsung. I'm interested in Sony tvs tho, they look pretty dope as well

[@kennyoffhenny]

@@ldope3904Samsung, Sony, & LG are all just about neck & neck when it comes to their flagship TV’s… trust me I did a ton of research on them lmao. Main differences between their flagships, or even different models or generation from the same company, are: glossy or matte screen finish, WOLED or QD-OLED, & choice of Dolby Vision or HDR10+.

[@kennyoffhenny]

@@ldope3904however I did end up buying an LG C2. In the top 10 displays ever created, for only $900 😎

[@josephrcase]

I have the LG C1 48" as well and actually tried the LG 32" 4k 240hz that you are getting. My thoughts, it just wasn't better than the TV, it really felt like a side-grade to me. Colors were so much more muted and the panel as a whole just didn't get as bright, I tried a bunch of different settings and just couldn't get it bright enough to match the TV and the colors just didn't get as vibrant. The matte coating was a non-thing to me, it definitely made it better when I had the lights on in my office vs. the C1, but wasn't as big of a deal as I thought going into the purchase. I ended up returning the 32" and went back to my C1. That being said I think my setup with the TV being wall mounted really diminishes the negatives of it. Although after a week or so with the 32" and now being without it, I do miss the higher refresh rate for sure. I'm now just waiting for either the C4 to come down in price (1k or so) or possibly waiting till LG offers MLA on the C series at 42/48". Waiting for CES and see what folks say about the C5 in 8 or so months. I am interested in your thoughts on this and will follow to see what you think. I wish you luck Daniel and hope you enjoy it more than I did.

[@jorge69696]

There is no reason why the LG monitor didn't have equally vibrant colors. Both are WOLED.

[@YellowBoatGaming]

@@jorge69696 because of the coating

[@josephrcase]

@@jorge69696 just stating my observations with a sample size of 1 for each device.

[@hugoanderkivi]

​@@jorge69696They're different panels, even though they're WOLED. The matte coating affects image quality, so maybe that's why.

[@Ryan-tn4gk]

Honestly same. I got a 55" LG C1 about 2 years ago now. I used it for both TV and video games. And it's one of the best purchases ive ever made. My friends make fun of me cause they could imagine spending $1000 on a display. But ive loved every second of it. Worth every penny

[@frommatorav1]

Same, except I got a 65" and paid around $1500. My previous TV was a 55" Samsung LCD for around $350 and I didn't regret getting the OLED one bit.

[@yosifvidelov]

I have just got a LG C3 55" and i am loving it both for HDR 4K PC gaming and movies. Absolute blast. OLED FTW!!!

[@hugoanderkivi]

​@@yosifvidelovLarge TVs for gaming FTW! I have a 55 inch S95C, and it gets glaringly bright in specific content. The colors are awesome, too.

[@apostolos8734]

Ever since I got my iPhone 12, every other display in my house became OLED. Once you learn how to properly calibrate your displays for hdr it’s hard to go back to anything else.

[@ChibiTheEdgehog]

So, wait, why when the iPhone 12 did it? Cellphones have been Oleds since the Galaxy Note 8. Nothing has changed with OLED since then. They found ways to combat burn in but that's about it.

[@papiertoilette-pb9lf]

​@@ChibiTheEdgehogMaybe because most people juste buy apple and nothing else and because apple was late then they were late aswell 🤷

[@apostolos8734]

@@ChibiTheEdgehog my first phone with an oled screen was an iPhone 12, before that I never had the income to buy anything better than mid range smartphones.

[@blizyon30fps86]

@@ChibiTheEdgehogbecause ppl by iPhone not Samsung

[@lenscapes2755]

@@ChibiTheEdgehog Note 8? Samsung goes all the way back to Galaxy S1 for OLED. Even my Nokia C6 was an OLED and I remember buying it in 2010. All my phone purchases were OLEDs since then.

[@AmeerWorld]

Went from 1440p 240hz Samsung G7 to LG C3 42inch Oled. I have a 4090 so 4k is a breeze. I'm happy with the C3 42" as it was the cheapest 4k Oled monitor/panel I can get. Picked up a new one last week for 899€.

[@mikemwps]

I have a 4k 240 oled, a 4070, and a 15 pro. i'm richer thann you buddy xD

[@ian6239]

Just for a different perspective, I have never felt this way. I have an LG OLED TV, Steam Deck OLED, and Switch OLED. They are undeniably fantastic screens, but I have no issue using a *high quality* LCD still (big emphasis on "high quality" here). They're fine.

[@smidlee7747]

It all about what you choose to focus on. Colors don't even exist outside our heads and is a product of our visual cortex. Visual cortex will adapt the colors you see with the surrounding sometimes even changes the color different from what the eye "sees". If I choice to notice the floaters in my eyes it will annoy me. But if I ignore the floaters I will get where 99.99% of the time I don't notice them. The same with a movie if I choose to focus on how many times the movie is cut up I find it annoying and won't enjoy the movie.

[@deanx0r]

OLED is still a major step up from older techs such as TN, VA and IPS. I thought my C2 OLED was the best display (beside some certain quirks and drawbacks (fonts clarity, brightness, dimming) until I discovered mini LED displays with my MPB. OLED is not the end all be all of display techs. Would love to see Danny widen his perspective on other techs, although I understand this channel is gaming focused.

[@Dionyzos]

They're fine to me when I use them in a bright room. But I like to play games, watch movies etc. in the evening and I turn down my lights and whenever I did that with my IPS the glow was jarring. I know people who don't care about this as well, people are just different :)

[@smidlee7747]

@@Dionyzos I think we all know in a dark room LCD in a very dark scene you can noticed some light leakage but 99.99% of the time the leakage won't be noticed.

[@ItsMavicBrah]

I have been using a 48" LG CX since it launched and have never looked back. Has 13,336 hours on it as of this moment according to the display's built in screen on timer. No burn-in. Some slight banding and screen uniformity visable on test paterns but day to day 100% not noticable. I did have a pixel burn out on the very edge maybe 2 or 3k hours ago... but as of writing this it seems to be working again... perhaps a pixel refresher pass cleaned it up. I think the burn-in scare that all reviewers mention is really not a big deal for a general customer who is using the display for gaming, web browsing, and media consumtion. The positives are huge. Once you see the contrast in person its hard to go back. Pixel response time is amazing, almost zero motion blur. I have a 49" LG NANO 85 right next to it... and the OLED makes the LCD look like crap side my side. Currently I am wanting to get something closer to 40" 4k OLED 240hz. I have a 4090 and like mentioned by Daniel, 4k max settings on a lot of games with DLSS 3.5 (frame generation) I get over 120hz so I have to limit frame rates. (super first world problem I know) I would go 32" but I have some other 32" displays and its just not large enough for my personal liking. 40" really is my favorite size, but I would/will settle for 42" (41.5") once they come out with 240hz models.

[@adriankoch964]

For anyone who wants high bandwidth HDMI or DP, look into Fiberoptic cables. Those are unaffected by EM or crosstalk from other cables (especially power cables). Those turn the electric signal into a laser signal and send it through a fiber cable. The other plug that's in your TV will sense the laser light and turn that back into an electric signal. This way you can get the full HDMI or DP bandwidth over a long cable, something that is electrically challenging on normal cables over a long distance. (That's why normal high bandwidth cables are normally so short or super expensive and high length. Often you can also have issues on long cables, where you are forced to run 4:2:0 colors instead of the full bandwidth using 4:4:4 color) They are also very thin and can be safely bend more than regular copper core cables. You can get them in 100m length no problem and length does no increase cost by that much, so it's very useful if you want to hook up a projector far away from your PC. A lot of those cables are one-directional, so you need to make sure you plug the right end into your graphics card or you won't get a signal out of them.

[@Henrik_Holst]

I think the next gen DP should just go fully optical

[@CultOfMU]

My latest amazon order included three optic hdmi cables for two TV's that are wall mounted. Routing the cables out of sight requires long cables and I found out xbox with 4K didn't work anymore :P

[@lysergicaciddiethylamide6127]

4070tis +Hisense U7K 65” 144Hz tv. I switch from console two months ago and I’m so happy I can actually play games at 144 fps. If I can’t get to 144 I’ll vsync to 1/2 72fps and ajust my setting to accommodate.

[@mathesar]

9:17 Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when I still ran CRT's as my main monitor but started buying LCD's to use as secondary monitors, the black level difference was jarring and was especially bad on LCDs back then such as the Dell 2001FP (my first LCD) which was only 400:1 contrast ratio.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Your epic GDM-FW900 thread still going strong! Love my CRTs, but I do find the CX/C1 kind of an off ramp. Technically not nearly as good as a CRT with its 1000Hz motion clarity equivalence. However, just getting from 120Hz to an effective 300Hz or a little more in terms of motion already clears up so much blur relative to 120Hz or worse 60Hz that I suspect there's a degree of diminishing returns as one ascends in Hz.

[@popcornadvisor3193]

Hi Daniel : Re the LG control weirdness there is a way you can reprogram one of the LG remotes so it doesn't interact with the other TV, I was able to do it with a LG CX and then just a run of the mill 2016 LG TV, only issue is the power button is an IR Blaster so it will turn them both on so you are stuck in trying to "hide" it from the other TV when turning one on.

[@occasus7964]

OLED is nice and all, but i do both gaming and lots of productivity on both monitors. As such, OLED isn't a good option for me. No one wants to spend 1k$ per monitor and have to replace it in 6 months - 1 year. No one wants to baby a monitor and always hide the task bar, move things around, put dark backgrounds, or have it become unusable after 8 hours of work while it does its mandatory pixel refresh. Mini-Led is a better monitor platform, whereas OLED is better for TVs.

[@drunkhusband6257]

Disagree. I have a 6 year old and 4 year old oled displays both are fine.

[@bobotron82]

I would disagree. I went from OLED to miniLED and personally i think the upsides of miniLED far outweigh the one downside of not quite perfect black

[@ameliabuns4058]

It’s not for everyone but 1 year is insanely fast. I doubt it’ll get ruined that fast, I got a 5 year warranty with mine

[@MistyKathrine]

If you go from 48'' to 32'' you might feel like your new screen is "too small". Especially when you're video editing. I've been using the LG C1 55'' last few years for my computer that I do video editing on and I absolutely love the extra screen real estate and couldn't imagine doing it on a much smaller screen.

[@User-ys7cb]

This goes both ways. Once you get used to something, everything else will feel strange. The upside is that humans can get used to pretty much anything.

[@michaelthompson9798]

I personally use an LG CX OLED 55” for my entertainment unit as well as a gaming HTPC setup (for lighter gaming titles e.g. Baulders Gate: 3) and a 27” HDR 4K LCD with FALD technology for main gaming sessions, some BluRay watching, and production work.

[@wikwayer]

Yeah but couldn't the manufacturer just build 1080p or even God's forbid 720p monitor

[@RockinEnabled]

Excuse me, but I can't get my head around why would a person having a 55-inch OLED use an 27-inch LCD even for 'SOME BluRay watching' :D

[@tizio2332]

​@@RockinEnabled Exactly! I use my 55 c3 for single player games and movies, and a super cheap aoc monitor to play fps, just to avoid burj in risk

[@Bigtymer781]

I'm on a 48 inch OLED, LG C3. I think 48 inches is perfect, because its great for watching movies also. If its "too big", then sit a few inches back. When you have windows scaling set to 100% @4K resolution, its still hard to see everything on the screen because its so small, but its possible. So to me, that means 48 inches is not too big at all. I agree though, you can't go back to a non OLED. The perfect blacks and HDR are so important for gaming, its almost as important as having a good graphic card.

[@Kristjan_N]

Isn't the "grayness" of qd-oled panels due to their reflective coating? Which should help with glare in some situation as I've understood (at least that is the case with TV-s).

[@HurricaneSparky]

I think the buy-in for 4k gaming is still too expensive right now. It's far, far cheaper to do 1440p and reach higher graphical fidelity and framerate, and your options in monitors is much more affordable.

[@divertiti]

Been PC gaming on OLED TV for almost 7 years now, 65" LG C6, now 77" LG C9, and just bought the 83" LG G4. Can't go back to a tiny monitor and definitely can't go back to LCD.

[@bricaaron3978]

Ah... A fellow High FoV Gaming practitioner? Or do I misunderstand? I use a 55" 4K OLED at a view distance of 18", for a horizontal FoV of 106°. I'm thinking about getting a 77" OLED next in order to make ~130° FoV viable, but that's already hitting the boundary of acceptable angular resolution. Have you done much testing of VR displays for gaming?

[@jasonroberts8416]

To be fair the IPS display at 9:24 wouldnt look that bad in person, the camera exposure is higher than ideal which won't affect a display that can display true blacks but the blown out blurry icons on the IPS are revealing the result of camera overexposure (which also makes lcd black levels worse in a photo).

[@DMPLAYER1000]

Ever since I got the Switch Oled I haven’t been able to go back to led backlit screens

[@gamesmaster1060]

People told me that back when I was getting an IPS monitor and wasnt that impressed

[@msg360]

@@gamesmaster1060 still rocking my Nano IPS LG monitor 4k 144 hz, I'm tempted with all this OLDED talk but I know its mostly just FOMO.

[@saricubra2867]

​@@gamesmaster1060My Samsung 955DF CRT has way better blacks than any LCD

[@notimeforspace2477]

@@msg360 not true,i had lg nano ip 3440x1440 165hz and got lgc3 120hz,motion clarity is better and deep deep blacks are fkn amazing

[@godnamedtay]

😑

[@pajasan]

Almost half a year owner of LG 42 C31. At that time I was thinking about a higher end 32" 1440p 170Hz+ as upgrade to 8 years old FHD 60Hz plasma TV. Went to some local show rooms to check in person if that is what I really want. Ended up with another TV as PC monitor. It was not even a competition. Got better specs for less money and only made single compromise of max screen refreshrate.

[@Xsetsu]

I really like OLED but tbh Samsung VA panels are almost as good and even better in some instances. Usually you won't notice the difference, I have a Samsung 57" and a LG OLED side by side and the difference is smaller than you think. I would pick the VA panel over the OLED 90% of the time because of size, ultrawide, less worry about burn in, the brightness of the display in HDR content (the difference is really underestimated), etc. VA panels with MiniLED, and hopefully MicroLED, are really competitive with OLED.

[@trumpameri1638]

Samsung mini LED gaming masterpiece

[@Frantic89]

Personally waiting until they completely solve OLED burn in (if possible) or make smaller mini LED pc monitors. I can't justify the price tag of OLED when it has a short shelf life compared to other types of monitors

[@krisbedgood6055]

Every OLED I have ever owned eventually burns in. The Pixel refresher offers diminishing returns. Organic decay is built into the technology. Anybody claiming it doesn't occur anymore is nothing more than wishful thinking. Why do you think it needs a pixel refresher. I guess if you don't look for it and ignore it I you can claim you've never had a problem but as I said before organic decay is built into the technology. Why would anybody want a disposable monitor no matter how pretty it is at first. If people would just stop buying them then maybe micro LED might become mainstream but as long as people are willing to pay for garbage then they will just keep selling them.

[@jonny555333]

Because most enthusiast change out their monitor before any of those issues arise. People interested in this type of monitor most like change monitor every 3-4 years. Some even more frequently so it's never really an issue that comes up.

[@verybadosuplayer9033]

if you have a phone with a screen it has an oled

[@itsmilan4069]

​@@verybadosuplayer9033laughs in 144hz FFS LCD phone 😂

[@xpusostomos]

Don't complain about burn in without telling us what you did to it. I've had a OLED tv for ,7 years, no noticeable burnin. I got burn in on my galaxy note9 from watching KZbin in vertical, but I learned my lesson and later phones don't have it because I watch horizontal or switch the screen off

[@theripper121]

@@xpusostomos Burn in on a phone or a tv is simply not comparable to an OLED screen that sees typical PC usage. They can't even remotely be compared. PC users will always have much more instances of static images on screen no matter how much they try to mitigate it. The risk of burn is so many times higher on an oled that sees pc use. Which is exactly why brightness is down on oled monitors vs comparable tvs and some manufacturers giving no burn in warranty period.

[@sirjonsmithiii992]

Still using my LG CX 48 inch (run it at 2560x1600, since Oled blacks make the bars not an issue). Got it for the same reasons (monitors were very behind at the time). I have a huge desk though, so I am going to wait for 4k plus Oled ultrawides. No burn in issues.

[@ahmedpc03]

the only downside of oled monitors that makes me hesitated to buy one, is the adaptive sync flickering issue.

[@123TheCloop]

well your basically shit out of luck on that cz even VAs suffer from this issue. the only brand ive seen mitigate this issue is samsung with there VRR flickering setting but apparently that induces stutter/latency

[@rochester3]

i dont have that issue wit my oled cx

[@biglittleboy9827]

@@rochester3 You are lying. Every oled have this issue. If you don't have it then you are just playing minecraft at 120 fps locked all the time. Go play ANY games in 4k in VRR with an unstable framerate, you will have flickering issue. Every single oled have the issue. I myself have a cx oled 65'' and I'm telling you, it have flickering issue. You have it too, 1000%. Either your brain is too slow and dont see it, either you are just playing minor games in 144p at 120 stable fps, either you are lying.

[@matthewponton5632]

​@biglittleboy9827 bruh I have had an LG C3 for a year and a half and have NEVER had vrr flicker lol. What on God's earth are you talking about?

[@Noah765]

There is no adaptive sync flickering. I have the Samsung Odyssey OLED G8.

[@ramikuvaja]

Yes, OLEDs have ruined other monitors for me too but I just hope the burn in does not ruin my OLED!

[@VLADABEAST]

I replaced a Samsung Neo-QLED with one of their new QD-OLEDs and have slowly started transitioning everything in my apartment. OLED Samsung Tab, New Galaxy Book with an OLED, And am looking at an OLED bedroom tv and OLED monitor to replace my old Odyssey G5. OLED is the absolute TRUTH. Once you go OLED you never go back.

[@skyrimgod1218]

Honestly I just got a TCL QM8 and the picture quality is far better my LG CX. I find the dimming algorithm used in miniled TVs is far better than monitors. LCD monitors still have a long way to come.

[@astrea555]

You're doing a huge mistake by replacing your C1. It's the last OLED monitor/TV with a 120hz BFI option. It's INSANELY GOOD for gaming because it makes 120FPS looks like 300FPS to the human eye with no tricks and no lag. The C2 onward and other brand of the same year all decided to remove this option. I'm keeping my C1 until it turns to dust.

[@silverroos]

You are not wrong, but it gets super dim when using bfi. It kinda ruins hdr for me.

[@MaxIronsThird]

BFI only works for stuff below 60fps, what are you talking about

[@cajampa]

@@MaxIronsThird That is his whole point. The C1 works at 120 Hz, every one after that only work at up to 60 hz. I don't own the C1 but that is how I understand it works anyway.

[@rami9225]

​@@cajampacorrect, the C1 supports BFI up to 120hz

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@rami9225 how would that even work, it's a 120Hz screen, how can it do 120Hz BFI?

[@grospoulpe951]

“There are no wrong decisions - only different ones.” - Libba Bray 😉 Personally, I bought the Alienware 32, 240 Hz (received several weeks ago) : great change for me (from a 144Hz VA display, also curved, same size). My main complain : HDR management, and brightness (a bit too low in some situation, mainly Windows desktop apps) EDIT: and, in France, that display is the cheapest (1120€ vs 1500€ or even more), and almost the only available (the Gigabyte DP 2.1 is also available, but cost much more : 1600+€) EDIT 2: and the curve of the Alienware is very "small"... so, not a real problem.

[@Dhruv-qw7jf]

The fact that OLED is like 3-4 times the price of a comparable IPS panel, and it can suffer from things like burn-in is such a fundamental flaw for me. If I spent such an heavy amount on a monitor, I'd expect it to last for at the very least, a decade. That's how long I've had my old AOC IPS panel monitor, which only broke down very recently because my cat decided to run over it and it fell over.

[@siruspan]

You do worry about maybe someday eventually having burn in on oled but you did not care that you paid for a monitor that display grey instead of black, has ips glow and backlight bleed? Seriously?

[@nickpinkowski]

Well, display market was never perfect. Before OLED you could choose between better contrast VA panel with slower response times, more noticeable ghosting and bad viewing angles or IPS with good colors, but horrible contrast and infamous IPS glow. OLED brings perfect viewing angles, perfect contrast, instantaneous response times, lower power draw, waaay more impactful HDR presentation at the expense of potential burn in. It was always a compromise. BUT, I have had LG C1 WOLED for almost 3 years now for my PC (job as a programmer, a lot of web viewing with static content, games) used for many hours a day and I don't notice any burn in, and I'm a first person to notice such things (being one of the first adopters of OLED as a monitor I think confirms that as I had given up on LCDs lol). I think it's worth it, even if it lasts for 5 years with good performance. I have LCD TVs in my basement that have burn in! So that's one more reason to be a bit more forgiving for a OLED, because they give you a lot for a one drawback, but I understand for some it's not that small. But I'm fine with that given what I get in return compared to LCDs.

[@zodwraith5745]

@@siruspan You don't notice mediocre contrast when it's sitting by itself. You DO notice burn in sitting by itself. I had a TV that several local dimming zones went out and it was obnoxious AF to look at. Every time you'd see a bright image there was chunks of the screen that looked like a dirty splotch. I'd have preferred it not have the local dimming at all after that.

[@jjlw2378]

10yrs for a monitor? I always sell off/give away my monitors well before 10yrs. I don't even keep my vehicles for 10yrs. 5-6yrs is more than long enough time for monitors/TVs.

[@zodwraith5745]

@@jjlw2378 That's just copium. Displays aren't disposable but it's obvious the people selling them have convinced you otherwise.

[@StarGaming-mf3fw]

To be honest, i am waiting for PHOLED to become commonplace. I am still afraid of burn in, even with all of the technologied reducing it. Oleds burn in faster becuase their blue subpixel degrades faster than the red and green subpixels due to it being an organic material. The red and green subpixels can easily last up to 15 years, but those blue subpixels burn in much faster. PHOLED replaces the blue subpixels of organic material with blue subpixels of phosphorus material. These phosphorus blue subpixels degrade at a much slower rate than the organic ones. This means burn it is essentially mitigated until the 10+ year mark. I heard but cannot confirm that phosphorus blue sub pixels are also more energy and brightness efficient, so they dont need to be as big in the subpixel layout, thus leading to slightly brighter and lower power oleds.

[@endostatic7687]

I just watched a guy talking for 22 minutes about monitors that are more expensive than my whole setup lmao. Blud I'm using a 1440p IPS 170Hz Acer monitor that I got 2 years ago after working in summer for the first time and I'm using a 1650 with a r5 3600 to run it. The 1650 was already starting to be obsolete in normal 1080p so I'm literally stuck with upscale or die. Or just older games and e-sports (I mainly play fortnite, but even that is starting to get harder to run over time) I also started running some games at straight up 720p to account for that and it gives a really good performance boost without really looking so terrible. Since every pixel is stretched to exactly 4 pixels so there is no weird stretching or blurriness that happens. It's better than running 720p on a 1080p display. It's much more sharper and better. I also have this really old 900p monitor that I got for literally 15 dollars or smthn when I left for College. I took my pc with me but left my monitor back home and got this 17 or 21 inch monitor idek what display type it had, maybe TN? Although it had bad colors and all but I kinda loved just being able to crank that resolution slider to the max and just not having anything to worry about. It was fun but now my pc is back home so I don't use it anymore (I actually left it at my friend's house and didn't get it back cuz I'm too lazy) I literally hadn't had fun or taken full advantage of my main monitor yet tho. I'm honestly waiting for AMD's RX 8000 series or Intel's 2nd Gen GPUs. Cuz I prefer a more efficient lower powered modern card rather than an older cheaper but less efficient. Power draw is kinda a big deal here unfortunately. I honestly

[@timothylink4386]

That brightness chart at about 7:30 tells the story for me. I don't like watching in highly darkened rooms, and while my eyes can adjust to the dark to some degree, I wasn't born with nocturnal vision. Human eyes are designed to work best in daylight. Even in dark rooms, I like up around 600 nits full screen peak brightness. If there's a dark scene, the content can be dark. I don't want outdoor, sunny daylight scenes limited to under 300 nits.

[@unboxerman12]

Same, got the new AW2725DF a few months ago and now watching my tv doesn't hit the same 😭

[@360Fov]

I can't imagine 480hz! I would be OBSESSED with trying to actually attain 480fps, and maintaining it. For some people, around 500hz is a point at which they would feel like they are looking through a window... in other words, it's like seeing 'real life'.... for others is closer to 1000 hz. I hope NVidia 5XXX brings back SLI!!

[@Icenfyre]

at 300+ fps you are CPU bottlenecked. Pray for better CPUs instead. GPU tech is way ahead.

[@mejaiss392]

@@Icenfyrebetter cpus aren’t coming lol. Intel going bankrupt and amd taking a shit all the time we had no improvement in cpus in the last 2 years and i dont think it’ll change. Soon there will be no way not to bottleneck a gpu

[@cryssoberyl5813]

@@mejaiss392 Have you heard about our lord and savior, the 9800X3D?

[@TheCultOfShepard]

I've been very happy with my 1080p60 IPS monitor for several years now, it has a rare glossy panel for a monitor which seems to go halfway as much as OLED does for making colours pop anyway.

[@lucaseverin666]

A issue with OLEDs is the pixels just dying after some use I got my LG TV replaced 2 times after just 4 moths of movie watching Its not gonna last long before the screen is full of dead pixels

[@sauhamm3821]

65" LG B9 - ruined me completely. i bought one on sale many many moons ago - and on a whim i thought, hmmm, let me plug my PC into this... I'd tried with every TV i owned and it was always trash. but i still had to give it a try, for science! imagine my surprise when the desktop came up and... wooooow... like OMG wow. my struggling 2070 at the time was only able to "play" certain games but that quickly turned into a 3070, then 3080 10gb and now a 4080 16 - all in effort to push 4k because i once made the "mistake" of connecting my PC to an OLED TV. rocking a 48 c2 now and it's, without question, the best gaming monitor i've ever owned.

[@SilkMilkJilk]

just play 1080 with higher refreshrate, the pixel ratio is exactly 4:1

[@colevallance8889]

The only thing that bothers me is the back light... you can adjust settings to look better but still, it will never come close to that true black and those amazing colors, if you got the money and want better picture go for the OLED. I've got a 1440x3340 45" oled 240hz LG ultragear... It's perfect makes a lot of my games feel very real at times

[@Manana7016]

I keep reading about issues with OLED monitors/TVs and VRR causing flickering.

[@B.D.E.]

Only if you can't achieve stable FPS (if your GPU is underpowered for the purpose), and then only in dark scenes. On the G80SD, you can enable VRR control, which I don't think the other monitors have, but the compromise is that enabling it adds +24ms input lag. If your GPU is good for 4k and you have gsync/freesync, it won't be an issue.

[@miladtirdad584]

oled is like some strong and killer drug. you can't feel anything after that. you shouldn't even try it for 10 minutes if your pocket doesn't let you to maintain an oled life forever after that. and trust me with the burn in and other problems it's not just a big one time purchase. for over 10 years I'm addicted to oled for phones. one day I'm gonna enter oled life on my pc (1440 ofc. 4k is idiotic and pointless) hopefully.

[@Zam_man]

Note: burn in is always a permanent issue and it isnt an IF it is WHEN - pixel refreshers work by killing the life of the pixels around the "tired" more burned out pixels so that all pixels are uniformly lit. This will result in overall dimmer brightness for your monitor and oleds are dim as hell to begin with

[@teamsabre4]

People who are poor shouldnt buy PCs. Oled is for gigachads with money to spend.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@teamsabre4 More like OLED is for people that actually have jobs above minimum wage....

[@theripper121]

@@drunkhusband6257 What a dumb take lol

[@itsmilan4069]

6:26 you're forgetting about hud and other permanent icons in games like maps, way pointers and quest reminder(not in every game) so even if you baby your OLED or QD OLED they'll still have those burned incons within a year even with pixel refresh tech not to mention the second most shortcoming of any OLED is deadpixels

[@chiyolate]

It is perfectly fine to upgrade to a larger 4K monitor without upgrading your graphics card, because with a large 4K monitor, you can just play in windowed 1440p mode without affecting your current fps. Benefits of playing in windowed 1440p, you can still read chats, or monitor anything you put around the game window.

[@bricaaron3978]

Yeah...... Not really into immersion, huh?

[@Physics072]

@@bricaaron3978 Its what ever works. People have an amazing ability to make a bad situation seem great as if he wanted it that way from the start. Yea I wanted that baseball tossed though my windows, I get more ventilation now. I identify as a full screen 4k gamer even though in reality I play in a 720p window on a 4k screen. Same thing right?

[@lucio-ohs8828]

You can also use upscaling like DLSS to render at 1440p and upscale to 4k which I’ve heard looks pretty good

[@simonvh7092]

QD-OLED doesn't nessecarily reflect light differently. Because they're gaming monitors (especially the ultrawides) and generally used in the dark (rather than TVs or productivity monitors) they have a Glossy coating. The glossy coating is what gives the more defined reflections and general brighter hue in bright environments, but actually look better in the dark. (WOLED usually has a Matte coating, there's downsides to both options)

[@commandershepard9920]

My first OLED was the C6. Had massive issues with crushing blacks. But I used it anyway because it looked that good to me. The 3D on it was awesome too. Panel was defective and I was able to trade it in for a C9, and I'm using it still today. Love this thing. 120 Hz, 4k, crushing blacks are still not an issue, and in a dark room PQ is phenomenal as ever. For horror games it's especially great, and for any 4k HDR game where each rendering pixel is also individually turned on/off due to being an OLED display, it's just ... *chef's kiss*

[@MD-se8ft]

Burn-in is the worst thing about oled, until that is fixed I'm not buying an oled screen

[@yugdesiral]

I'm using screen savers again for the first time in over 20 years.

[@mikec2845]

screen savers and pixel refresh options make it basically a non-issue.

[@shodancat1000]

i've been using a C1 for almost 3 years 8+ hours a day, still not a single burn in issue.

[@pdrey100]

@@mikec2845 $1000.00+ > basically.

[@toxicturkeyy]

for gaming it's not an issue. Productivity sure, but the benefits of OLED are fewest in productivity anyway. They're content consumption beasts. Nothing lasts forever.

[@the1observer]

LG C3 42" is a beast. Only downside is the brightness adjustment that is visible when you size up or down a white webpage/image

[@ldope3904]

You can change than in settings. Auto brightness. You have to change settings for every HDMI output since each keeps its own different settings. It may even change based on connecting different devices on same HDMI port.

[@KelvinKMS]

C4 is better with 144Hz speed

[@UncannySense]

@@KelvinKMS24 more frames per second might not be worth the price premium for most users. C3 are going on clearance sales got mine for a $1000 discount.

[@the1observer]

@@KelvinKMS I bought it when C4 didn't exist. Honestly 120 is perfect

[@ldope3904]

Got a LG C3 last black friday for $800. INSANE deal. Best technology decision I ever made. The screen is absolutely next level, never had impressions about a screen until then. Got it for my new PC with 7900xtx and the OLED tv was the better purchase than the actual PC. Can't believe games could look this good

[@raven89k]

how does 1440p looks on it? Does it look grainy? don't have the money for a 4k card

[@kuabarra]

Completely agree. Been using my LG CX for a couple of years now, and I got the smallest I could at the time, like you a 48". I can't use it at my desk, I've tried and it's too big, so I have been PC gaming with a TV setup. Finally pulled the trigger on the 27" AOC 240hz 1440p OLED, on sale for $400 and I am PUMPED to get it. IPS just looks so meh in comparison tom the OLED, especially at night with the lights down low, which is how I tend to enjoy most of my gaming and media consumption.

[@CarbineDJ]

Never ever im going back to a regular monitor. Got a 48” LG C2 Oled with RTX 4090 and im still amazed when gaming at 4k compared with a regular 4k monitor or my 34” ultra wide monitor.

[@ldope3904]

Exactly. I have 3 different Samsung screens, 2 TVs and 1 monitor, all 4k. 60-120hz. $2000 curved TV was alright, overpriced gimmick. Other TV is newest of all, pretty disappointing, very glad I didn't buy it. My monitor, good second hand price, disappointed at visuals for being 4k, plus no internal speakers is mad annoying, pretty dim, does the job tho. Wasn't until I bought a brand new LG C3 for black friday that a screen left an impression on me. To this day, every time I turn it on it warms up and impresses me. People who come over always say something about it when we game or watch stuff, even if they've already come over. I bought the C3 to pair with my new pc with 7900xtx, and honestly the LG was the better technology decision. It just looks so insane, wish my eyes were that HD and colorful

[@KelvinKMS]

Yes and LG C4 is even better with new 4K 144Hz speed.

[@mikemwps]

@@ldope3904 Try 4k 240hz oled.

[@SuperNicktendo]

I have had a G1 Oled for a couple of years. I bought the iPad Pro since they went Oled and then I got the Samsung G8 32 inch. It also has a matte finish and since I have my desk up to the window, it's a welcome feature. Not too worried about burn in. I have had a 720p plasma for 14 years and it just barely has burn in when you run the test. Otherwise you don't notice at all. So unless you're working constantly I don't see an issue.

[@ceuser3555]

IPS is still the best for productivity.

[@Fetchdafish]

For anyone who has the PG32UCDM and a 4090 or other high end Nvidia card. Try turning DSC off and using DLDSR. You might be stuck at 120hz, but if unless you're really really good at competitive shooters you won't miss 240hz that much. What you will gain is a lot more visual detail and clarity which is great if you mainly play immersive games or you want to be immersed in your games. Bumping your display resolution up to 6k is not something everyone can do, but DLDSR makes it a lot easier and even on a 4k screen you will notice it, it's honestly amazing.

[@Kapono5150]

I just don’t understand why you feel like you need Display Port 2.1. Hardware unboxed already showed there is no visible difference

[@Intelwinsbigly]

Well, if I had my way, my old monitor would have vga. I like the Analog noise.

[@NYangryguy]

I use a 65" Oled for my monitor. It works great the size is perfect for how far away I sit like 10ft. I got rid of cable and satellite in 2008 and have 2 HTPC's one in my living room and one in the bedroom. Wireless keyboard and a trackball with the dpi turned up to be able to quickly easily move the mouse across the big screen. When I originally looked into monitors vs tv's a couple years ago now when I bought this oled a real 65" computer monitor that did 4k 144hz was 5000.00USD and not OLED either. So a oled @ 2000.00USD 120hz seemed like the way to go. Another great thing about OLED is how black works on a OLED when a pixel is black the pixel is actually in a off state. So by using a blank screen saver you can totally mitigate screen burn in this way. Mine is set to 2 minutes the whole screen turns black which is technically off until I bring it out of screen saver mode. 1300 for a 32in monitor ow my balls. You will still need to push it way back to look at it sitting at a desk. If you want a 27in they seem to get more expensive the smaller you go wth.

[@ZykopathOfficial]

I'll only be interested when W-OLED monitors become available at around 300$ in the future. Don't even wanna guess how long that's gonna take.

[@SKYzLxmit]

I say another 3 years

[@saricubra2867]

W-OLEDs have worse colors than my 4:3 1440p Samsung CRT from 2001. They struggle with yellows and reds. AMOLED phone screens look a lot better.

[@mobarakjama5570]

There is a Glossy ASUS WOLED, coming soon that I'll cost around $600.

[@razorhanny]

Man, the amount of information condensed on this video is insane!

[@OpsMasterWoods]

Me having OLED on my phone for a decade,and using a VA panel.....

[@mobarakjama5570]

Same I hate my VA monitor tho 😂, the motion clarity is A$$.

[@OpsMasterWoods]

@@mobarakjama5570 depends ,mine has good response Times

[@simonklotz8817]

i had this thing in the past, where, at some point, always some kind of TV endet on my desk for the PC, even like 10 years ago. This made it easier for me to decide, that i do want an LG CX 48". And boy, this "TV" not only is the best monitor i've ever had for my PC, but, quite possibly, the best PC part i have ever bought! I have to recommend to everyone to just give it a chance and try it. It's the wet dream of a humongous monitor i had since the CRT days.. with even better black levels. What i also do is, i'm using quite low brightness levels, i use dark mode for everything (even dark reader plugin for chrome) and the "eye comfort" mode (=low blue light). This makes everything soooo much less offensive and less straining on your eyes. Remember: you do not need much brightness on OLEDs due to the perfect black levels and thus high contrast ratio. All in all, i couldn't be happier.

[@ugurinanc5177]

I don't know why and how monitors can't bright as 5-6 years old OLED phones. I don't even talking about OLED monitors. Even IPS monitors mostly stays at 400max brightness :(

[@JanM2]

Phones use a different oled technology, could also be fundamentally because theyre that much smaller

[@gamingagent80]

Yeah the drastic difference in pixel density is the biggest reason​@JanM2

[@張彥暉-v8p]

Heat issue, cost issue, etc. And usually OLED TVs are trading durability to peak brightness, that's why OLED TVs' panels fail fairly easily. Also, sustained 400nits in SDR is actually not an easy task. Most OLED TVs even the high end one and budget LCD TVs can't do it.

[@Dionyzos]

Desktop monitors don't get used outside so they don't need to be as bright. OLED monitors would also burn in very quickly at 1000+ nits since they're turned on for longer and often display the same content for a very long time. Phones also get replaced earlier than monitors so burn in is less of an issue.

[@I_THE_ME]

Phones reach their peak brightness for only a very brief moment and typically the maximum maintained brightness is around 600-800 nits.

[@jskilabe5986]

You have to do a video on BFI, the C1 supports it. Please do a video on Black Frame Insertion/strobing, I think it's going to be a big revelation for gamers when they actually play games with it on

[@yegoat05]

They literally nerfed all the other c series tv's bfi capabilities..... Idk WHY anyone would get rid of the c1 when it can bfi up to 120hz, huge mistake.

[@saricubra2867]

Still worse than any VGA CRT.

[@jskilabe5986]

@@saricubra2867 I've never actually seen an OLED in real life, let alone OLED BFI, so I can't actually confirm LMAO. But I've been on the motion clarity subreddit long enough to know that the C1 is quite sought after because of it's BFI

[@ldope3904]

Haven't had asingle issue with VRR or flickering on my C3

[@saricubra2867]

And my 19 inch 1440p CRT from 2001 ruined OLEDs for me

[@XDevonBueno]

Lucky

[@bricaaron3978]

I was using a 22" 1920x1440 CRT and moved to OLED when the CRT started smoking. Losing the 100% perfect motion clarity was hard, but once you go High FoV Gaming you do _not_ go back. A ~110° horizontal Display FoV ** compared to the normal 30 - 60° is a _much_ bigger upgrade than going from 30 to 60 FPS, or from 1280x720 to 3840x2160. Increasing your Display FoV allows you to increase your _In-Game_ FoV without getting distortion. The key is that your In-Game FoV must match your Display FoV. At an 18" view distance, my 55" 4K OLED gives a horizontal Display FoV of 106°, which means an In-Game FoV of 106° has zero distortion --- it looks exactly like reality. When you go back to a normal Display FoV it truly feels like you are looking through a toilet paper tube. It's uncomfortable, because you feel like you can't _see_ anything --- and that's exactly what's going on! Until you try High FoV Gaming, you don't realize that normal gaming setups are like walking around with blinders on. ** Display FoV is basically how much of your eyes' field of view your display takes up. It's a function of Display Size and View Distance.

[@big-R]

@@bricaaron3978that's an interesting post. What size TV would you recommend for a typical computer desk distance?

[@bricaaron3978]

​@@big-R Thanks for the reply. (I tried to make this a "short answer" and failed, lol.) The point of High FoV Gaming is to maximize immersion. The main limiting factor though, is Display Resolution, and the ideal resolution right now is 3840x2160 (16:9). This means the maximum Display FoV is probably going to be ~130° for most people (and that assumes a 77" display and a 16" View Distance). Remember, you're going to be much closer to the display than normal. No, there is no harm in this. The screens in a VR display are 1" from your eyes. With a 55" OLED you have the option of an 89.5° - 112° Display FoV by changing the View Distance from 24" - 16". I do this by moving the display further back or pulling it forward (I'm going to build a sliding mount). Why would I want a smaller Display FoV you ask? I _wouldn't,_ but unfortunately some games don't allow the In-Game FoV to be raised, or don't allow it to be raised beyond a certain amount, and remember: The In-Game FoV must match the Display FoV (It doesn't have to be precise... just in the ballpark). I would not go with anything smaller than 55", as you are simply making the end goal harder --- the smaller the display, the closer you have to get to the screen to achieve the same Display FoV. I have my 55" OLED on a 36" deep desk. The screen surface is ~14" from the front edge of the desk (Yes --- my keyboard is right up against the display mount!) For a game like Alan Wake (2012) that is locked at 90° FoV, I push the display 6" further away. It is a mistake to go with an "ultra widescreen" display. This is because the only thing that matters is the _overall Screen Area._ With a super-wide display you might have a screen _width_ that's the same (or less) than a 55" 16:9 display, but a screen _height_ that's much, much shorter. A much lower vertical Display FoV, and a much lower overall Screen Area. You haven't gained, you've lost. I recommend LG's 55" OLEDs (or larger). Since immersion is the order of the day, you're going to be playing in the dark, and that's where OLED blows everything else away. Also, the poor off-axis performance of LCD makes close viewing impossible. They're not cheap, but I have over 10,000 hours on an OLED55B7A with _no burn-in,_ so it will last for a while if you take care of it. And that means, number one: Keep the brightness down low. Playing in the dark, that won't be an issue at all.

[@big-R]

​@@bricaaron3978 Thanks for the reply. I got into VR recently (mostly sim racing) and it sort of "opened my eyes" in terms of immersion. Your post then made me interested in immersion straight from the screen. I actually recently got a 42" C3 as a monitor (because I thought ultrawide 34" or 32" 16:9 are pathetic in comparison, sizewise. Yeah the vertical size on the ultrawide is terribad.), but it's definitelly not big enough for my entire FoV to be taken up by screen. I was thinking of ordering either a 65" or 77" for the living room but may end up then doing some FoV gaming on it as well :D

[@Greeeeee88]

Oled really needs dedicated white, purple and yellow pixels to minimize power draw and burn-in time. LG introducing additional sub-pixel colors (white and yellow specifically) helps tremendously with heat and color accuracy. Monitor sizes are getting out of hand though. 27" used to be a small TV and now 34" is becoming too cozy a home for monitors.

[@andrewmorris3479]

Hi Daniel, I’ve gone through the LG 27GR95QE, Alienware AW2725DF, MSI MPG 271QRX, Alienware AW3225QF, ASUS PG32UCDM, and LG 32GS95UE. The best gaming monitor I’ve ever used is without a doubt the PG32UCDM and the most disappointing of the lot was the LG 32GS95QE. I retuned it in no less than five hours actually. The matte finish is truly criminal on WOLED. You’ll notice it most on white backgrounds but after using semi-glossy QD-OLED’s I can pick out the lack of clarity and shimmer effect on higher APL games. The 480Hz mode is extremely fast and fun to use but the clarity for anything other than video games is quite atrocious. I was also disappointed in the factory color calibration with the sRGB mode being poor in particular. The other issue with the LG was shadow detail as blacks were crushed. Just my two cents!

[@Lyproc]

I have had the 27in 240hz OLED LG monitor for 7 months now and I have not noticed any burn in issues. It runs the pixel cleaning almost every time I turn it off and since I play in a dark room the matte screen hardly affects me. Staring at my ips monitors and seeing the edges glow will make me never go back to them

[@RFC3514]

OLED "pixel cleaning" deliberately burns your less-used pixels to match the worst ones (and should actually be run as little as possible). If you want to see what you're actually losing over time, you need to turn it off, and then compare the worst part of the screen with the best (or compare it to a brand new panel).

[@astrea555]

Repeating myself but the C1 has the BFI aka Oled Motion Pro option that boosts visual clarity from 120fps to 312FPS already and does it in a much better way by removing motionblur with no cost in lag or adding visual artifacts (only reduce the brightness a little) than frame generation ever will match. 48" also isn't that big if you get a deeper desk. I'm really disappointed that you're downgrading to something else.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Yeah, it's nuts! Hopefully he at least keeps the C1 somewhere safe so that this is still recoverable. (Getting a new CX or C1 at this point would cost a small fortune if he could even still find one. I barely was able to still get one last year when I finally switched to OLED.)

[@StatusQuo209]

Yep. Main reason I will never get rid of my LG C1 48. It's gonna be a retro gaming TV once it retires as a PC monitor.

[@Marthos01]

I just bought the alienware 32 inch 240hz 4k monitor one day ago. already had the neo g8 from samsung for at least a year and then some. brightness is only good after enabling 1000 hdr peak in settings. I calibrated the monitor with x-rite that helped. Honestly this monitor is great.

[@KrisDee1981]

Daniel i hate to tell you, but going from glossy LG OLED TV to matte OLED monitor you will absolutely hate the screen.

[@WhiteHawk77]

I’m never going back down to regular monitor sizes, my LG CX 48 inch will replaced with a OLED TV of same or similar size. Personally I don’t have too much in the way of static images etc so haven’t had any image retention but be aware, the pixel refresher works by making the other pixels as bad as the burned ones, it’s not something you should do too often as you are wearing out the display quicker.

[@clem9808]

My PS4 slim is plugged on a massive OLED 4k tv, while my 4070 is on a 21inch 60hz ips monitor.🤦

[@yugdesiral]

Uhh plug into your tv bro

[@JohnCiaccio]

Been using the Aorus FO48U for over 2 years nearly everyday. 0 burn in because I always r never it is an OLED. I use not task bars or other static images. I use a full screen animated wallpaper that I changed sometimes. I don’t leave it on and walk away for more than 10 minutes. I always use dark mode. And I don’t use it for productivity. Meaning I don’t have bright windows left open on it all the time. Media consumption and gaming only. Best feature of any display: Black level adjustment with one touch. Awesome!

[@astrea555]

I'm literally unsubbing. Do NOT abandon the C1, you're gonna regret it once you realize what you're about to miss out on.

[@CatOnVenus183]

Eh, I prefer CRTs. I've been daily driving a 1999 HP Pavilion M70 for the past 6 months for my PC and haven't wanted to switch back to a modern monitor for anything since. Oleds ok, looks good, but it's terrible for anything that isn't native resolution.

[@LayerZlayer2000]

Same here replaced my LG OLED C1 but to an LG OLED G3 🥰 best

[@GrandoSilver]

If only LG make it 42".... 55" is too much for me. That`s why im stay with my C2

[@LayerZlayer2000]

@@GrandoSilver they do already with c4

[@GrandoSilver]

@@LayerZlayer2000 Nah bro. I mean they really need make G series 42"/48". That`s what i mean. C series is badget series it is not high end tech from LG.

[@rucka704]

I've got the MSI 34c QD-OLED and it's amazing in every way all the positives you want and pretty much no negatives. The only negative i would say is the panel protection that pops up every 12 hrs but it's manageable to have this nearly perfect monitor.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

OMG Daniel keep the C1! It's still the best thing, because it and its sibling the CX are the only ones with advanced hardware rolling scan BFI yielding an effective 300Hz motion clarity or more. At the cost of only 120Hz at 4K! There's still just nothing else like them in the OLED space. Please if you haven't tried BFI do so. Coming from an FW900 CRT, the CX/C1, finally gave me an off ramp. No way I'd trade this display for that one you picked with out the motion clarity at 4K like this one has. And also if you think the almost miraculous screen finish the C series has is the norm for LGs you're in for a rude shock with that terrible matte coating that LG has so far insisted on using with their OLED monitors...

[@m4nc1n1]

I upgraded from the C1 (48") to the C3 (42"). I got it on sale because the C4 was coming out and not worth almost $600 more. I'm WOLED all the way. For me, the main benefit of OLED is the inky blacks ALL the time and not sometimes.

[@Games_and_Tech]

I have seen the Lg matte coating, it is not the worst of the world,but certainly it looks less sharp. I would prefer to get the glossy qd oled, I have never seen the pink color in any game or movie or any situation except when it is off. I will wait for another generation when displayport 2.1 cables are more common and we have the 5090/5080 then pull the trigger for sure the ne qd-oled coming will be better... WOLED it is not better, 1080p 480hz for a reviewer or profesional sport player could make sense, but for regular gamers it doesn't... bottom line, I would n never trade my glossy pink for a blurry mate coating and I would never trade the wide color gamut of qd-oled for woled...

[@PD-ws4td]

Great video! As for the matte coating, I'm not convinced. Despite claims from Optimum and many other KZbinrs that it's better, recent reviews after the monitor has been out for a while suggest otherwise. They note that while the matte finish might be better, it's still grainy and appears unusually oily for a matte coating (as if someone smeared vaseline or vegetable oil over the entire screen). I'm getting this monitor anyway due to the limited options, but I plan to try removing the matte coating-either using the water and paper method or by buffing it out.

[@molsen7549]

I'd love to see your thoughts on a premium mini-led display (1000+ zones) and how it fares against OLED, and whether it's enough for an enthusiast like you.

[@L0rd_0f_War]

Nothing like OLED. I have many very good IPS monitors for work and general stuff at home, but my main Gaming PC has a LG OLED C7, which I plan to upgrade to a C4 later this year.

[@quaticus]

u r going backwards 🙃. wait until c7 so u can go from c7 to c7 lol.

[@L0rd_0f_War]

@@quaticus Yeah, LG naming scheme is totally logical...