Oliver Tractor and Equipment Tour Part 7 - White Tractors

Part 7 of my equipment tour, the White tractors. There's even a Deutz and a Minneapolis Moline thrown in for good measure.

[@hollywinsman9464]

Love the White tractors. The gray with the red and black are outstanding. Thank you Chris.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you for watching!

[@stephenfonder7409]

Now I can say that I got to attend 7 tractor shows this summer all from the comfort of my own home. Most shows have been canceled so I am really glad that you took the time to make these great videos for all of us to enjoy.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'm glad you liked them.

[@CJ-mh6yn]

Can’t go wrong with a Deutz air cooled tractor.

[@kevinw63056]

I really enjoyed watching this series....I’ll never forget going down to the AgriLand Expo in DuQuoin, Illinois in 1995 and they had the “Spirit of Oliver” Tractor there and I told my Dad I hope they start production on it to bring back the Oliver name!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've got pictures of the Spirit when it was on the show circuit, I need to find those and make a video about it.

[@kevinw63056]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey I could be wrong on the year but it seems to me it was in the early ‘90’s......I bought the 1/16th scale toy at the show because of the Oliver colors and the chrome wheels and muffler.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The original Spirit of Oliver was before the American series, I think it was 1988. It was a testing ground for American series, to see how receptive people would be to having color options and some of the other features they included.

[@timnichols9015]

. A perfect mix of history and features on those tractors !!!!!

[@rogerburkholder7524]

Agco made tractors in Coldwater until 1999. The Agco, Massey and White tractors were built in both Coldwater and France in 1998 and 1999.We had a 1998 Massey 8280 that the serial plate said built in Coldwater.

[@tomperley8399]

Thank you so much for doing this series of videos. Growing up in the Northeast, there weren’t a whole lot of Oliver’s, so I have found this very educational and have truly enjoyed it.

[@gmcjimmy3580]

Love those White tractors, they are really cool looking, actually they were in my opinion better looking than any other tractor from that period.

[@jamiesmith143]

Great job on the equipment tour. I especially enjoyed the back stories on each of tractors you have. Good luck on your fall harvest/ field work and stay safe.

[@corydriver7634]

I just want to say thank you for doing this tour series, it’s been entertaining and educational.

[@douglasmayherjr.5733]

Great rundown of the equipment. I worked at Diuble Equipment in the late 90’s. Remember checking out the lot at Ted’s Services in Saline Michigan as a kid. Too bad most of the small family farms and farm equipment dealers are gone. One of my first jobs at Diuble’s was a 2-105, that I think came from your dealership, transmission lube pump failed and welded the input shafts together. I had pieces of a 2-105 all over. Finally got it back together. Thanks for the videos.

[@Dan-qy1rg]

Went back and watched this gem, wow you have a lot of tractors. Of course, as you may remember I'm have a White American 80 and like you I really like it's fuel usage and overall usage. It is hard to find parts, but it's not too bad on prices when you can. Liked this one, thanks Chris. Have a great Memorial Day.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks, Dan

[@JosephOliver550]

Thanks for sharing your amazing collection with us! I really enjoy all your videos!

[@mikeschwandt6050]

I really enjoyed your tractor videos. Real informative.

[@shawnartz7113]

That was awesome Chris thanks for doing. Can’t wait for equipment to start.

[@americasdream1265]

That Moline lawn mower is built and equiped the same as a Allis Chalmers so I imagine Simplicity built for several different farm equipment companies.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The Minneapolis Moline was built by Jacobsen. My grandfather had a Jacobsen rider that was almost the equivalent, but had manual lift, clutch, and transmission.

[@mischef18]

Enjoyed your tour of tractors and the history behind each bro. Ya'll stay safe

[@hughperkins707]

Great history lesson 👍

[@cesmith4566]

Thanks Chris keep up the great work!

[@johnwarren-649]

I'd love to have a dollar for every tractor an combine I've hauled out of Independence MO. That was a big contract for me an my father than we started hauling out of Coldwater Ohio too

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

Always neat equipment and awesome history on everything Chris!! Thank you!!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you for watching!

[@rickstoll6607]

Love watching your vids keep up the good work can't wait for tillage tools

[@danielkacko7616]

thanks chris, excellent collection

[@chadshafer8095]

Great Video.Love your Whites.

[@robertslack4680]

Very nice thank you for sharing.

[@brendondolan6488]

Well done and you know your stuff

[@chrisbueckmann9989]

Once again thanks for the tour! Always learn somethin new. Didnt know white experimented with a 4-325 and beyond! Interesting- thanks.

[@rswany16]

Good to see a Minnie Mo in your collection! And our 2-70s are exactly the same even down to the Mallory distributor.

[@ahillbillyredneck2375]

Love the videos. I have learned so much from watching them. Tractors are so different from buying anything else. I grew up in a very rural area, but my dad is a businessman. So I never really learned anything about agriculture equipment until recently. Don't get me wrong I hauled hay in the summer for spending money, all young guys around here do. But tractors and the equipment on them is so varied. Again thanks. Love the videos

[@mathewmerkl576]

Thanks for showing the deutz it looks in great shape and for sharing the story on all your tractors everything green i love as long as theres no yellow

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You're at the right place! Thanks for watching!

[@Murphyslawfarm]

I think plows are exciting. They are the most fun to use 👍😁

[@NCOliverfarm]

Cant wait to see the implements. Still using Olivers down here.

[@Murphyslawfarm]

G'day Chris love your tractors mate great video.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks Murphy!

[@Ham68229]

If you want to add fluid to your tires, either go with "Rim guard" or "beet juice". Beet juice is very expensive though, can't say about the Rim guard. Cheers :)

[@Adam_Poirier]

This has become a real pleasant Sunday morning tradition for me. Maybe you could start making videos just telling stories and talking about your tractors and experiences for every Sunday morning I bet that would be a hit I know i would enjoy it! lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I was thinking about getting a memorabilia item out of my collection and doing a video on that one item. I figured that would be good for the winter time when there isn't much action to record.

[@Adam_Poirier]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey that would be cool!

[@raymeschuerer4223]

Very nice collection. I spent a lot of time on a 2-105 packing silage pile that old 2-105 was fwa with a 8ft blade mounted on the front wood push dirt like a dozer

[@cowsgomoo4618]

I must be off my 3 point, watching all the tour vids my favorite two tractors are the 2-155 and the American 80

[@doublebfarms2313]

I collect the Ford angle frame garden tractors and those and that moline 114 are basically the same thing with some small differences. It is cool to see moline in the original family.

[@bustersmith5569]

Boy Chris that was a fast 10 minute video !! 👍👍👍

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Lol

[@76horsepower]

I really appreciate the time you spend putting this type of video together and passing on some of your vast knowledge. We’ve got a White-built Deutz-Allis 9170 on the farm that was bought back in 1990, if I recall. It’s been mostly relegated to pulling wagons anymore, but it’s been a great tractor. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those machines.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've never drove one, but they're mostly a White so I'm going to like that part. The little Deutz 30-06 we have here is great on fuel and starts great, but does seem to lack some in the lugging department. The biggest downfall I can see for those White built Deutz-Allis tractors is wheel base. That long Deutz engine made for a long front frame, and they ended up with a poor turning radius because of it. I'd be interested in trying one out to see how it really compares to a Cummins powered White.

[@richardriehle4159]

interesting info again.

[@petepeeff5807]

Thanks for preserving the history for future generations,that will continue to use old iron. When the American series came out there was a hwy mowing contractor that bought an 80 in all four colors all open station with canopies. I was so impressed that they tried to recapture the brand heritage. Sadly too little to late. Brand loyalty is very important as any marketing guy will tell you. The demise of the AC brand was the same story. Fiat was the only company to figure this out with there acquisition of Fords agriculture division. They licensed the Ford name for 10yrs gradually shifting to NH which was an already established brand. Henry Ford is still rolling in his grave over that one.

[@johndavidstutts]

I have been in old gleaner factory in independence. Looked liked it was de funked 50 years ago m

[@ohioplowboyhawk6738]

Some guys can break a sandbox 😆 🤣 I always say you could break a anvil with a rubber mallet I love plows lets see them all

[@edmikula7187]

I didn't realiz that White had put out a Moline baged AC Garden tractor.

[@CoalChrome]

I know of a White 2-105 in South GA. Quite a long ways from home, deep within JD country. might talk to the owners next year.

[@garybridger6707]

Lots of good information. Mike Less had a video from Mayers Equipment a while ago with a White, Duetz and a Agco lined up side by side.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I was down to Mayers a couple years ago and got to see their personal collection as well. If people watching this think I have a big collection, they should see that one.

[@garybridger6707]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I saw Mike's video on it. Old Versatile's, pre cab. Had a few AC 220 4wd also. Lots of everything. He had a vid on another oliver/ white collector, lots of the big 4wd articulates. All tractors were hooked on to a Implement!!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've seen the one you mentioned with the White collector with the 4wd tractors. I'll have to look up the one for Mayer. Obviously I'm an Oliver guy, but I really liked their AC 220 4WD.

[@douglaskauffman2692]

Love the tour Chris. Thank you for taking the time to do it. Also in the future, could you do something on baler knotters? I think people could benefit from what you know.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Baler knotters work by magic. Lol. It took me a long time to wrap my head around how they take a single twine and make 2 ends, a knot, and still hold the twine for the next bale. There are some good videos on youtube showing it, but I'll see what I can do.

[@douglaskauffman2692]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thats fair enough . Be safe out there.

[@eligreen9969]

Nice

[@AJmx2702001]

Interesting about the last whites using the Funk Trans and in the mid 80s IH had even went to deere and had them build a trans to their specs but it way too expensive

[@ollie-lk5dx]

Great video love the history there is a company in US that supply's Agco with parts for soma front end , and they are lots cheaper.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Good to know. Being French built everything is metric, which can add an extra hurdle trying to find aftermarket parts in the United States.

[@judithcoffing6326]

We have an Oliver starter weight on a JD 4230. Same bolt pattern.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You're increasing the resale value!

[@JEDI-MAQUINAS]

Só trator perfeito top de mais 🇧🇷

[@SOU6900]

Personally I think the 4-225 is a strange looking machine with that big long hood. Also gonna have to try and find a picture of a White American painted Minneapolis Moline yellow.

[@scruffy6151]

👍👍

[@ethanparent673]

Hi we have an Oliver 2150 with a Detroit diesel on are dairy farm four-wheel drive with the fuel tanks in the fenders it's sitting in our big machine shed in the back it's been sitting there for 20 years my dad said it run for about 40 minutes and then starts knocking really where not sure what's wrong with it but we're told it's a pretty rare tractor

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They are pretty rare and desirable. It would have come from the factory with a 478 Hercules, but someone could have swapped it out for a Detroit. A knock is going to hurt the value, but there are still guys that will gladly take it off your hands for the right price.

[@ethanparent673]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris my grandfather sometimes talks about selling it we replaced it with a John Deere 4630 in 1999

[@ethanparent673]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris it's never been running in my lifetime

[@ethanparent673]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I was mistaken I just talked to my dad and he said that it does have a Hercules in it

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That does help the value having the original engine in it. Is all the sheet metal on it too?

[@colejurgensmeyer9853]

Great videos!! You stated that on the Fork Lifts (2-44) that the 2 designated the 2 or 4 wheel drive. May be a stupid question because I know the 4-150, 4-270, etc...were articulated 4 wheel drive tractors, but I wonder why they didn't put the 4 designation on the FWA tractors? And a secondary question...What was the last piece of machinery ever made that had the White name on it? Planter? Look forward to more videos!!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

In the ag tractors they wanted the 4- to be for the articulated full time 4 wd tractors and the 2- for the row crop tractors. Switching model numbers just off the front axle option could make things confusing. They only switched the 2 and 4 on Industrial models. Agco had a White planter at the farm machinery show back in February, so they're still using the White name. I believe it was labelled as White by Massey Ferguson.

[@macfarms]

Thanks for the video Chris. The 6125 is nice, I think they had the 6124 also around the same time, these had the Massey Dynashift in them. Was the rear end in those the same as the 6125 or was the whole back of the tractor all Massey in that case?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The whole rear was Massey on those. The 6124 and 6144 were both Massy drivetrains with Cummins engines.

[@macfarms]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey so those were the better ones to buy then. Hahaha. I see a few of the 6124’s come up for sale but I don’t think I’ve seen the full power shift versions, I guess guys are holding onto those.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The 6124 didn't come in a full power shirt, that is what the 6125 is. The 2 models were produced simultaneously after Agco had bought Massey Ferguson.

[@macfarms]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey yeah that’s what I mean, I see the 6124’s come up but none of the 6125’s.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I said power shirt. Good thing I hit the r instead of missing the letter all together. Lol

[@morganmccormish1730]

I thought white made they're own engines. It was called the hercules

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

White did own Hercules for a time. In the mid 80s they were researching how increase fuel economy and power to compete with other brands, and couldn't do it without a major redesign. White had already been through fiscal hard times, so that's when they outsourced to Cummins.

[@sebastiancoe4635]

You Wouldn't happen to know the serial number on the 2-105? I've got a 78 that came Decamp sales and service. Great video as always 👍

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The farm that bought our 2-105 still has it. I'm sure I have the number here somewhere

[@littlerougue]

so it was Minny and Oliver fighting that led to White tractors I bet they would like a do over on that decision.

[@mrbill4187]

I think it was J &L posted the video of the introduction of the 61 sereis whites to the dealers. The agco ceo basically blamed the dealers for all there problems. He said that's why deere was #1. Lol As an orange guy I thought, it couldn't be when the 3010, 4010 came out the D sereis allis was the alternative.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Deere was and still is good at marketing. I'm amazed they kept their dominance producing outdated 2 cylinder tractors as long as they did.

[@oliver5509]

got a 1958 gas 550 oliver has a bad engine engine is in machine shop they say they cannot match serial no and engine no for engine rebuild kit and bearings any info would help

[@redwolf393]

Enjoyed your videos and the info. We have a 1365 Oliver/Fiat that was bought new in 72 and has been a very good tractor, a 2-70 White bought new in 78, also great tractor. We have quit farming and have our farm planted in pine trees and don't use the 2-70 anymore, can you tell me where I could look up a reasonable price to ask for it. I don't think there are any modern 70hp tractors that could take its place. I still get ticked off every time I think about Oliver being bought out, beginning of the end. If I could find the Oliver 1655 sheetmetal, air filter etc to convert it to an Oliver it would be hard to let it go.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Tractor house website is a good place to look up values. Machinery Pete might have pricing on the 2-70 on his website.

[@redwolf393]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thank you.

[@oldretireddude]

How do you keep your head above water on maintenance on all these tractors? I would think that batteries, coolant, rubber, and oil would would just be a nightmare to upkeep.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Most of the tractors don't have batteries, I put a battery in them when I want to use them. Rubber isn't too bad when they stay out of the sunlight. Oil and coolant I don't change if they don't get used much. Even the main tractors only get an oil change about once a year because the work is spread out between so many machines.

[@mikemullen2952]

If you want a 2-105 my cousin has one for sale it runs but it needs work it's not beat up it's for sale

[@kw900lkevin]

the minny mo looks similar to the Allis Chalmers ones

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Jacobsen made the MM mower. I was thinking Simplicity was the Allis Chalmers mower. Anybody else know for sure?

[@jakesfarm6790]

Kinda of a random question that dosent relate to the video at all, lol, but does the 310 waukesha in my Oliver 1855 have pushrods or a overhead cam? No reason to really know but just curious, thanks✌🏼

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It has push rods.

[@edmikula7187]

Is that tractor after the forklift an Oliver Chalmers?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Lol. The colors are right.

[@ghenry85]

Just to mention the 6124 was the same tractor as the 6125 except with the Massey Ferguson 32 speed Dynashift(Agco Allis and White called them something else). The Massey Ferguson 8100 was similar, different cab, engine, the 32 speed only(mistake in my view). I have driven the 32 speed Dynashift version. They shift really nice. I would love to get a 6125 or Agco Allis 9635 for myself. I know I said the Field boss looked better, but those tractors dont look bad either. Same with the Mf 6100 8100. The tractors that were repainted Olivers(David Brown, Fiat, Same/Lamborghini), what are your thoughts on those?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I think with the 8000 series, they went entirely to the Massey Ferguson final drives. Depending on size and options, I thought you a model could be equipped with either the 32 speed or the 18 speed Funk. We had a couple 8000 series on order when we decided to close, so we cancelled them, and I never got to look one over closely.

[@millardhayes1884]

Chris was there ever a want for a A4T or 2655. Are there any in your area?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

We had a mechanic that had an A4T 1600 on his farm, I'm not sure where that wandered in. The White dealer about 30 miles to our southwest sold quite a few 4-150s, he may have sold a 2655 or two. I have seen a couple in the area, but a lot of them have wandered out of Michigan when they became collectable. We used to have a fair amount of dairy and livestock in our area, and those guys didn't seem to buy the biggest equipment back then. Field work was second to the animal.

[@RoederFamilyFarms]

Don't see too many of the American tractors. My dad traded in our old Moline combine and a G1000 for a silver 80 at the local dealership back when they were new. Probably the most used tractor on the farm. Interestingly enough the paint on the front weight bracket has started to flake off and underneath it's Oliver green, any clue why?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They probably had to swipe one off a green tractor at the factory to equip the tractor as ordered. Or someone ordered a green one but wanted a loader so the starter was taken off.

[@eb17816]

The kid friendly version is poop green.

[@ramshackleshack751]

Put your forks on upside down. That's what I did to get more lift out of our toolcat to put the engine in my 1900.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've done that more than once. A bit of a hassle, but it gets the job done.

[@ramshackleshack751]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris you follow old rafiki he knows the way...

[@richardpoe2461]

How many years were the white tractors built in Coldwater.?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I think they moved there in 87, and moved out in 91. Tractors did get built there again when Agco bought McConnell tractor and made the Agco Star tractors. I'm not sure on the dates for those, but into the late 90s.

[@rogerburkholder7524]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I replied that they were built in Coldwater until 1999.

[@bobearl7859]

What about the White 2255 in Oliver sheet metal painted redtell us something about that I see pictures of it all over on KZbin

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

White marketed Oliver tractors in most of Canada as Cockshutts. When the 2255 came out, they were early in the process of consolidating the tractor lines into one. They kept the red paint for the Canadian market, but put the White name on them instead of Cockshutt. I have seen a picture of at least one 2255 that was badged as a Cockshutt, that would be a jewel in a collection. The exception to all of this was Quebec. A company called Co-Op Federee handled imports into Quebec for White, and they liked the Oliver name and color scheme. So those red 2255s are exactly the same as the Oliver, it was just paint and badging that made them different. Hope that helps.

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

Work safety is to save people lives but sometimes the old ways works better in some way. Also with these equipment videos will we get to see half of these machines working?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

There's video of some of them already, but I thinking of taking requests for future videos.

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey coool

[@oliverfarmer-dx2qs]

I really want to see an industrial 1550 or 1555

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've seen a few in my travels. The 2-62 and 2-63. Industrial guys took to 4 wheel drive quicker than ag guys did, so maybe that's why there's not as many around. The 1550/55 was never offered with FWA.

[@rustyshank912]

I wonder if you could clarify something. My dad had a Oliver 1655 diesel and it was one the top five tractors that gave him the most trouble. She broke crankshafts after the third my dad sent it to auction where he herd at least one farmer tell anther those break cranks. I was told that what happened was at the factory one machines for line boring was not working correctly so you either got a good one or a bad one is this true or not. Also would you consider trading that Deutz 3006 for a Oliver 1850 diesel. One last thing if want to play with a different White I have A Deutz Allis 9170 MFWD.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I haven't heard that about the 1655s. It could be true, checking line bore is important on those and the 310 engines, but I have nothing to prove it one way or the other. If I sold the Deutz my wife would have my head for selling her grandfather's tractor. Do you like the Deutz engine in the 9170? My limited experience with Deutz engines is that they are good, but they don't seem to be able to lug down to far.

[@rustyshank912]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris the Deutz air cooleds act differently depending on a variety of things. For example Deutz 100 06 came with bosch VA rotoray pumps which responds to load fast but makes better power with a bosch A inline conversion because it's hard to get parts for the rotorays anymore. The 513 deutz in the 9170 is a whole other beast it is 584 cu in. Instead of the 10006s 345. The odd thing about the 9170 the govenor looks like a truck style one instead of ag one so it pulls well enough even with only a truck govenor. Finally I like Deutzs I have 12 tractors.

[@ram_diesel_power6039]

6125 with 5.9 Cummins. No we are talking. What year is that. Does it have the ve or p pump injection pump. Give me an afternoon with that and we will have her rolling coal 😹. Good video.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It's a 1997 with the VE pump

[@ram_diesel_power6039]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris so same as my 93 dodge. Some dynamite diesel injectors and a deny t fuel pin and we have lift off. That’s a nice tractor.

[@charlesburns9799]

How many hrs are on the 6125

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

If I remember right, about 3500.

[@petedohmen8827]

Did they build a White American with MFWD?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yes. They used a front axle manufactured by ZF.

[@briandufty5081]

White. Boy man. O God.

[@dominikpiskoric9649]

Next is Gehl

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I was thinking about doing Gehl next, I might be able to get all of that into one video, plus a lot of it is in use now for hay season.

[@davidalexander8305]

🇺🇲🚜👍♥️

[@Ghost23100]

I got a 2-105 with a loader for sale

[@ianedmonds8809]

where is the company called I save tractors in the United States and you can get anything you want from that company to fix your little tractor we're all a little cooler I have all the parts you need

[@smajhound4048]

Fix your mike keeps making a weird sound like a zipper or the sound a straw makes coming out of a plastic cup

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Its my hand doing the death grip on the case. I'm trying to be more concious of it, because the sound bothers me too

[@stumpy2816]

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