As always top notch stuff on this channel even if Ross made a comment. 😂
@michaelshingleton162810 сағат бұрын
I have enjoyed following along especially since Ethan is experiencing similar issues. It seems with these engines especially the turbo ones that there is big problems with sealing at the rear area of these heads. Maybe it is bolt with the oil passage drilled through that cannot be torqued down as far. I am sure you will make sure every protrusion is perfectly equal. I don't know if your engine has the aluminum head gasket available.
@ThatOliverGuyChris10 сағат бұрын
I've got an oem gasket to put back in there.
@craigrasnic417811 сағат бұрын
Another awesome video sir, I don’t remember now why but the last overhaul kit I bought through Agco and it was either Korves or Maibach I can’t remember now but one of them told me not to use the head gasket that you get from Agco and I bought one from them. But the Agco head gaskets have gave them some grief over the years
@ThatOliverGuyChris10 сағат бұрын
I know the aftermarket Reliance head gaskets were bad for awhile there. Some of the holes barely lined up, and they failed in short order.
@Ham6822912 сағат бұрын
Never thought about the sleeves being "shimmed". Knew they existed, never used them, was taught to never use them. Was taught, face/deck the block, install the sleeves and if needed, then face/re deck the sleeves. Now it makes me believe that whoever did it last, thought they installed the shim and just never went back to double check, perhaps "rushed" to complete. Look at it this way Chris, "better safe than sorry". Well, I think the mystery is solved. The shims. Now, my only question is, is there enough "meat" on top to recut the counter bore for the sleeves? With that being a 2 piece wrist pin bushing, this is why I was taught "if you're in there, just go ahead and do it all right" yes, it's extra money but, it's an "investment". Take care of your equipment, it will take care of you. Not many understand that. As always, excellent video. Looking forward to seeing what the machine shop says. Cheers :)
@ThatOliverGuyChris10 сағат бұрын
I agree, I'd rather machine than use shims. After seeing how rough that one shim was, I'm beginning to wonder if #5 had a shim but pinched or otherwise damaged, and after all these years it finished breaking up and that sleeve settled the extra .002 and all of the sudden... gasket leak. Crazy thing is, they would have all been in spec without the shims. With the other things I found, I'm glad I tore it down for a full inspection.
@mattphillips426012 сағат бұрын
not sure if the engine is fire ring or not but i would also fire ring the old gal put water filters on your tractors that will help with electrolysis
@ThatOliverGuyChris12 сағат бұрын
It uses a fire ribg style gasket.
@cesmith456612 сағат бұрын
Chris, do the rod bolt holes need chanfered when using the new 12 point bolts. Something I remember my machinist saying when he did my 1750
@ThatOliverGuyChris12 сағат бұрын
That might be the more ideal situation. Maibach sends the bolts with washers to eliminate the need for chamfering.
@mattphillips426012 сағат бұрын
i would get with arp fastners and see if they can not set you up with a set of head studs
@ThatOliverGuyChris12 сағат бұрын
I should look into that.
@steveferk580113 сағат бұрын
What’s with the extra ring on the bottom of the piston
@ThatOliverGuyChris13 сағат бұрын
Those were aftermarket M&W pistons. I could only guess.
@wilmamcdermott306514 сағат бұрын
I green locktighted my cat D7 wrist pin bushings
@clarencetrice444214 сағат бұрын
HI CHRIS that camshaft can be fixed welded back up then tured back 2,spec it still can be used after it is fixed like it should be 😊😊 OMG 2 2 2O25
@wilmamcdermott306514 сағат бұрын
Did pistons and sleeves on my 310 along with cam bushings crank polish new bearings pump bushings
@clarencetrice444215 сағат бұрын
😊😊 HI CHRIS I would check ✔️ 😊 the cylinder head and block W a staright edge W,a feeler gauge it shouldnt be able 2 go under it 2 see if they needed 2 be shaved 2 be true and straight 😊😊 I say a cylinder sleeve is cracked unless it was a O ring leaking at the bottom of the cylindrr sleeve I dont think 😮😮 so OMG 2 2 2O25
@brettlamont496515 сағат бұрын
Asking for a friend, do you farm to support your love for old Olivers or do you love old Olivers to farm? Both are addicting. You might need professional help.
@ThatOliverGuyChris15 сағат бұрын
😆 🤣 😂. It's a vicious cycle.
@tomnichols808415 сағат бұрын
The correct answer is,.....YES!
@whiteeagletrans985016 сағат бұрын
Yes just my thoughts but why would you have shims under 5 cylinders not the other that is a big mystery . Hope it goes back together good and no problems again. I do have a question when you put that hydraulic valve on you ran 3 lines to it is that cause it need the third line for being a closed center system why I ask I have a jd out here and it close center it you let it sit then use the remotes for the loader it jerks act like it has air in system
@ThatOliverGuyChris15 сағат бұрын
The third hose is because it's open center. All of the hydraulic oil is going through that loader valve before it returns to power the remotes and 3 point. So I have 2 hoses that are always under pressure. The third hose is a return to sump that only has oil moving when the loader is used. It returns the oil from the low pressure side of the cylinders so that it doesn't have to be forced into the high pressure that is going to feed the remotes. It helps speed up the loader. I don't know the intricacies of deere hydraulics, but it could be some leak lets some of oil siphon back to the reservoir and air takes its place. Maybe try uncoupling the hoses when it is going to awhile, and hook them back up when you're ready to use it asee if that makes a difference.
@paulaagaard764116 сағат бұрын
Unsolved mysteries 😊
@paulaagaard764116 сағат бұрын
Maybe 5 dropped after it was put together
@paulaagaard764116 сағат бұрын
I wonder if it was passing by the broken shim
@timwoodlee16 сағат бұрын
Great video Chris, very informative
@ThatOliverGuyChris15 сағат бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@rosstheoliverman17 сағат бұрын
I like your positive attitude. You found out your motor has STD’s and you still say everything’s gonna be OK. ❤ Now if only the gal down at the truckstop could have that same cheery outlook.
@ThatOliverGuyChris17 сағат бұрын
I feel so embarrassed. Due to my waning eyesight, At first I thought it said .010, and I thought I can put my hand in a hole without wearing gloves. Now I'm taking pills 2 times a day and have a support group on Thursdays.
@rosstheoliverman16 сағат бұрын
@ not to mention your sleeves itch…
@craigrasnic417810 сағат бұрын
@@rosstheoliverman Hahahahahaha 😂😂😂
@craigrasnic417810 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris 😂😂😂
@corydriver76348 сағат бұрын
😂
@paulprillwitz990117 сағат бұрын
😃😃😃👍👍👍👍👍
@rosstheoliverman17 сағат бұрын
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@ThatOliverGuyChris17 сағат бұрын
Needs more emojis. 😆 🤣 😂
@rosstheoliverman17 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris😂😂😂
@MikeJensen-wo7oh17 сағат бұрын
Chris, are the 2-piece bushings a bigger problem on the turbocharged engines than the N/A? Also, are the 283's in the 1650/1655 susceptible to the same issues as the 310's? Don't remember hearing anything negative about them.
@ThatOliverGuyChris17 сағат бұрын
They are more of an issue with the turbo, with the higher combination pressure. The 283 can have the same issue, but it's a lot less common. It uses the exact same bushings, so if you're rebuilding it's a good idea to switch to the one piece bushing. I wouldn't tear one down if it's running well, but if you hear a knock developing, it would be best to investigate before it makes an inspection window.
@TheJohndeere46612 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Those bushings were definitely a problem. They used the same bushings from Oliver 66 clear up to 1950T as far as I know.
@ThatOliverGuyChris12 сағат бұрын
@TheJohndeere466 correct. It was fine for the lower horsepower applications, but by the time of the 1855, it was outdated.
@MikeJensen-wo7oh12 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks Chris, I'm still hunting for something of the Meadow Green persuasion. 50/55 series are pretty high on my list.
@ThatOliverGuyChris12 сағат бұрын
@@MikeJensen-wo7oh it's hard to go wrong with a 1655.
18 сағат бұрын
I would not use that copper crap when you put on the new gasket. Think about it, if there was dirt or grime on the sealing surfaces you would clean it off as it would affect the sealing. Why would you add copper grime to the sealing surfaces and expect it to seal. I am old school and just use grease. Put that copper crap on a 1650 rebuild and the gasket failed to seal in a matter of hours. I replaced the head gasket and used grease and 5 years later still no problems. Thanks for all of your GREAT Oliver content.
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
I've never heard of grease on a head gasket. I bet that smels for the first few hours.
@dennisfoltz788016 сағат бұрын
I have never used grease on head gaskets, but the shop i started in all the old timers used grease on all there gaskets. They never had a problem, to this day i dont use grease . Most of the time i use nothing. @ThatOliverGuyChris
@robbt977914 сағат бұрын
It s been many years since I did engine work,but when I did I also used grease.
@dmartens626718 сағат бұрын
Just heat up the sleave to 200* to find the crack.
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
Good idea. I might try that.
@michaelshingleton162818 сағат бұрын
To me the shims acted as a sort of gasket. The one without lost its,seal. Now maybe that one with the broken shim was by passing compression gas. So far no definite word. Hope no cracks between cylinders in block. The old fergason engines were very bad about that. The one two piece rust pin bushing that was loose was sticking time bomb.(obvious).
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
I think it's going to work out for the best that I tore it down.
@Dan-qy1rg18 сағат бұрын
Certainly makes me scratch my head at whether it has a cracked sleeve, but the #5 sleeve being down makes me wonder. Anyways, enjoyed watching and good luck with it, hopefully not too much wrong with it. I hope you have a nice day!
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
I'm starting to think there was a shim under there, it disintegrated, and when the sleeve settled down the .002, voila..... trouble. Time will tell.
@nilesthoma488018 сағат бұрын
Is there dowl pins... alignment pins between head and block? Stud bolts?
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
Dowels.
@nilesthoma48806 сағат бұрын
Dowls not letting head torque down on block?
@whiteeagletrans985019 сағат бұрын
Not to say you found your problem but I would have number 4 checked on cracked too but you never know things can happen
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
I plan on taking 4, 5, and 6 in for testing.
@waggtech488319 сағат бұрын
Any guess how many hours it’s run since the last overhaul? Watching you do the tear down is educational. Thanks for sharing!
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
I don't know how many hours since it was last opened up. I need to look at the back of the tach, they might have written ut in there.
@johnwarren-64919 сағат бұрын
Ive seen them that way before. Ive seen Shimes get beat out before but you don't see any movement on the sleeves though
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
I'm starting to wonder if that shim corroded and got beat out. I thought they were stainless, though.
@johnwarren-64918 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris everyone that ever put in was stainless
@AmosMosesJr19 сағат бұрын
That oil looked a bit milky. Maybe it's just my screen but it looked kind of light colored.
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
It looked really good in person. The video was kind of dark, so I cranked up the brightness in editing. I think that made it look a little on the white side.
@brianhartley453419 сағат бұрын
Very interesting video really enjoyed watching it
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@davidmarley947119 сағат бұрын
Well that’s a mixed bag, encouraging on most everything except for not finding a distinct smoking gun-so far, though now I’m wondering if the machine will find anything either. Trying to compute what the effects of no .002” sleeve shim on #5 🤔. Like you stated, odd that the new gasket didn’t seal it at least for a short time. Hang in there, will be ready for the next chapter. Thanks for sharing.
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
The wrist pin bushings finally showed up, so I'll be finding out soon.
@larryklostermann577919 сағат бұрын
Very interesting video Chris, thanks
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@rog486419 сағат бұрын
Boy that is a head scratcher, nothing really showing up with a crack so far. Sure looks like it might be that lower sleeve. But I am glad you can;t see a crack in the block. Will keep fingers crossed that the machine shop doesn't show a cracked block too.
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
Thanks. If no cracks are found, I'm going to go with it being sleeve protrusion.
@Damien8027919 сағат бұрын
We're there wrist pin problems with the 283, or was that more of a 310 problem?
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
Really it was all of them. The 283 had less trouble with the lower horsepower, but it used the exact same wrist pins bushings. So it's a good idea to put in the one piece if you have it apart.
@anthonyhengst290820 сағат бұрын
48 mile drive to a show.... Get a bunch of tractors together like a convoy that would sound as fun as a drive across the Mackinaw Bridge. It will be neat to see this tractor as one of them. Upgrades.... Almost always a good thing.
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
We drove 8 tractors to the show, did it in 2 trips. I also trailered another 4 so we had a dozen tractors at that show. On the way back, some friends from Iowa had time to kill, so they drove 3, and we drove 4, so we had 7 in that trip, and I trailered the rest back the next day. We also hauled implements. I took the 720 baler, Alan had the 548 plow, and some one pulled the 570 manure spreader. It was quite the convoy.
@anthonyhengst290817 сағат бұрын
@ThatOliverGuyChris I love that.
@anthonyhengst290817 сағат бұрын
I need a little better trailer but I would like to do that some day.
@ThatOliverGuyChris17 сағат бұрын
@anthonyhengst2908 I had the intentions of having the 1650 terra tire restored in time for that show. The over width was going to make trailering it tough, so we decided to drive a bunch of them instead. I didn't get the 1650 done, but we drove anyways.
@michaelsheeder14820 сағат бұрын
Chris, overall it sounds like it was probably well worth tearing down and rebuilt. When you get done it should be like a brand new motor especially with the upgrades you are doing. How expensive is it to take it into the shop to have them do all the things that you want to have done? Kind almost sounds like those shims and those sleeves seems to be the issue like you pointed out. Thanks Michael
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
I would guess a couple hundred bucks, $500 at the most for machine shop work. My guy has always been very reasonable with his pricing. Too bad he's retiring in a couple months, but thank goodness he didn't retire a couple years ago like he planned.
@bigun44720 сағат бұрын
A clue just might be found, My Dear Watson. Catching a wrist pin bushing and the shim missing makes for a maybe cause and a good time to save pain later. Great video.
@ThatOliverGuyChris19 сағат бұрын
I had a couple of people ask if I was going to do an in frame. I'm glad I didn't. I would have missed the pto driveshaft wear and the clutch that was about whipped. Throw in the loose wrist pin and updating to the better rod bolts, and I'm glad I am doing it right.
@andrewrothermel482020 сағат бұрын
Sometimes homemade tools are the best
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
What's the saying... ill get the right part later, unless this works. I think that applies to homemade tools.
@dp868921 сағат бұрын
Don't forget to put a new cam Or have it ground , it will be off
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
Got any recommendations for a reasonably priced new cam?
@rosstheoliverman17 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I left a comment, but the link I made up, turned out to be a real one, and it was inappropriate 🤣🤣🤣
@ThatOliverGuyChris17 сағат бұрын
@@rosstheoliverman 😆 🤣 😂 I've got mine set to hold all links for approval. I'll go look for it.
@rosstheoliverman17 сағат бұрын
@@ThatOliverGuyChris make sure your wife’s not home. 😂😂😂
@davidvogel259221 сағат бұрын
At least it will be like a brand new tractor after an overhaul
@ThatOliverGuyChris21 сағат бұрын
Yep, with the important updates installed.
@jamieebersole675522 сағат бұрын
Hey I'm first to the sadness of engine failure 😭😭 😂😂
@ThatOliverGuyChris21 сағат бұрын
😆 🤣 😂 that's better than the heartbreak of psoriasis!
@jamieebersole675518 сағат бұрын
@ThatOliverGuyChris did you check the liner flanges for cracks? You are soon running a competition with my engine guy. I think he said mine is the 5th engine he has apart right now
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
@jamieebersole6755 probably not adequately. At this point I'm going to let the magnaflux tell the story.
@jamieebersole675518 сағат бұрын
@ThatOliverGuyChris I would have thought you would have seen carbon on the liner, but who knows.
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
@jamieebersole6755 i didn't notice any. I'm starting to think that #5 did have a shim, and it somehow gave up the ghost and then the extra .002 was enough to cause problems. If we don't find cracks, that's going to be my official diagnosis.
@jeramy2398Күн бұрын
Its nice agco still makes lines for Oliver. I had a 1976 MF 1085 and they no longer made the steel hydraulic lines for under cab so with little brazing and a couple adapters the steel lines became rubber doubt theyd last the 30 years the steel did but easier to get replacements.
@MikeJensen-wo7ohКүн бұрын
You bring up a vilid point: always good to have 2 of every model of tractor just for reference while making repairs! Thanks for taking up along, good to see the 1855 getting closer.This thing ought to be a monster at plow-day!
@ThatOliverGuyChrisКүн бұрын
Why take pictures, when you can buy another one for reference? 😆
@donneuharth9495Күн бұрын
Leaving the grill in? Is it because it is the "grill" of your dreams? :)
@ThatOliverGuyChrisКүн бұрын
😆 🤣 😂
@ThomasPippin-s9gКүн бұрын
Need help ,I've adding a loader to my 950 jd compact, it has an auxillary port on side of rock shaft , will this supply the loader. You seem well knowledged in hydraulics.
@ThatOliverGuyChrisКүн бұрын
I know very little about Deeres. Is itbopen or closed center? Some of their closed center systems are a little over complicated in my opinion.
@codygriffin4225Күн бұрын
Adding a power beyond? Speaking of hydraulics, do you have a link to your video where you worked on the 44 super 44 440 hydraulics ?
@ThatOliverGuyChrisКүн бұрын
I don't think I have a video on that. I did take the cover off my 440 to try to figure out why the 3 point doesn't work right. I didn't get very far. That might be in a video, but I didn't find it.
@craigrasnic41782 күн бұрын
Another awesome and informative video sir thanks for sharing
@ThatOliverGuyChrisКүн бұрын
You're welcome!
@craigrasnic4178Күн бұрын
@ watching you and Ross is like getting a free education
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
@@craigrasnic4178 you get what you pay for! 😆 🤣 😂
@craigrasnic417818 сағат бұрын
@ I almost feel bad for you guys sharing your infinite wisdom for free lol
@ThatOliverGuyChris18 сағат бұрын
@craigrasnic4178 don't forget the women! Lol
@billkephart60402 күн бұрын
Great video. Huge fan. You have helped me a ton. I really enjoy all of your videos.