Oliver Tractor Power Steering Box Rebuild

[@codygriffin4225]

I just resealed my steering cylinder on our 1755, appreciate all that help you put on here I had to spend a close to $40 in parts to reseal it and I’m guessing the labor bill would have been north of $700 at a dealership to hire it done Greatly appreciated

[@Dan-qy1rg]

I seen this come up in my list of videos to watch, which my son and I have done the White American 80 twice on the complete tare down. We also have taken it apart for the steering sector arm, due to the bottom not being on correctly and wearing. This isn't too bad to do, it's just a little bit of a pain when you don't have a place to do it in. Nice video, good instructions on the rebuild. Thanks Chris, have a good evening and a great weekend!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I remember there were some recalls on the front axle of the American. One involved the steering arm. It had the wrong geometry and one side would steer too sharp compared to the other side. I would think something like that would have been a no brainer by the late 1980s, but they beat the odds on that one. 😂

[@oldrigsdownunder7301]

Thanks Chris, that’s a great video mate. The box looks the same in my White 2255, and the parts book looks the same so I’m going to give it a go.

[@janhoughtaling2948]

Doing this to my 1755, this video was a huge help, a Big Thank You.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Glad to help!

[@dyna1955]

This brings back memories! I worked at a White Dealer back in the 80's. We had many of those apart. Good job...

[@hughmackellar7941]

Merry Christmas from Ontario. I'm learning(and enjoying) a lot.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks! Merry Christmas to you, too.

[@craigrasnic4178]

Thanks for sharing this sir, it works out great for me because my good 1855 something bad happened in there and stuff moves and makes some noises but no steering. And I bought a parts 1855 with a good steering gear box so I’m wanting to switch them out

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It should be the same. Good luck!

[@craigrasnic4178]

Ross still has to come pick up his corn head so maybe he can give me some help on some of these projects lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@craigrasnic4178 get him some more of that Ohio cough syrup and he'll bring the service truck.

[@craigrasnic4178]

Hahahahahaha

[@michaelfreehling1914]

Thanks for video very helpful Have a 1555 that needs this done too. Was hesitant to get into. Have a Merry Christmas

[@farmnewsman]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge so educational and helpful

[@danw6014]

It looks like a similar system to the John Deere 4020 except there are two pistons. What seems to happen when there is a failed seal in those is the steering will turn the front wheels for you. Unfortunately the same symptoms appear if the steering valve under the dash is leaking. It pays to learn to do as much for yourself as possible. The cost to have Deere rebuild the steering valve is about $1200. A rebuilt valve from Abilene machine is somewhere around $900 but the rebuild kit from Deere was $150. There is another alternative. Someone has put out a steering valve similar to what Oliver used as a direct replacement for the original valve.

[@robertdaly9036]

Another great tutorial video, love the ground down nail to remove the snap-ring / cir-clip, AG-CO should commission your repair videos.. Wonderful video as always.. 👍👍

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you! I could sell some parts for them if nothing else.

[@ces188charles6]

Excellent tutorial!

[@mischef18]

Enjoyed the video bro. Safe travels

[@denniscarter483]

Another job well done.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks again!

[@jerryfaulkner6518]

You always make it look easy.

[@jerrylansbury9558]

Yes..........that was the name of mine. Thanks A tiny collar probably pushed off the end of the shaft from over steering or bumping into something forcing the collar off the end of the shaft.........was the only issue ! A head ache !

[@jimfranseen1589]

Thanks for another great video, staged or not. Good inspiration, I'm doing a 1555 that seems to have had a rough life. I'm ready to put the engine back in and have already gone through lots of the sub assemblies but now the steering cylinder is in my sights. Ordered the parts from AC McCartney in Durand Il. my local guys to redo the cylinder.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Lol. I think we were talking about the comments on the video of Herman getting stuck and getting a kick out of it. I had to throw the staged comment in for fun.

[@michaelolson8005]

Great video thank you

[@79mkv]

Thank you for another great video! Any chance that you could list part numbers in the description? Th PNs listed in the power steering conversion were very helpful.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I just added them. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@79mkv]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris All parts are in, thanks again for posting. Any tips for pulling the pulley and damper on a 1850 Perkins; or is it as simple as gunning the crank bolt and pulling both as unit? I assume that the crank is keyed to the pulley for alignment.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@79mkv the perkins pulley is splined with a taper lock bushing. Zip the bolt off , and it should all wiggle off without a puller.

[@79mkv]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks. I did not notice a master spline and the shop manual made no mention of alignment between crank and damper. Can the damper go on the crank in any orientation? And yes, I had sharpie in my pocket but chose not to use it.... makes things more fun.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

No alignment on those. Slide it on and tighten it down.

[@oldretireddude]

Maybe experience says it's not necessary, but there is a setscrew in the center of that final cast cap. If removed that looks like it might release suction at disassembly and pressure at reassembly?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It would do just that.

[@wayneepp5287]

Looks identical to my 2-105. Had it apart to replace the vertical steering shaft that had snapped in two. No idea how that happened.

[@darrelldroke7188]

Use STP engine treatment for assy. lube works lot better then grease less likely to tear teflon rings.

[@stevenicholson3887]

Thanks for the video! It was great. Just wondering where I can get these parts for a 2105 white?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Rhanks! The 2-105 uses the same seals. There's a list of the part numbers in the description of this video.

[@banditfarmer1900]

It's a lot easer to do this on a wide front tractor than it is a narrow front, I did the NF on my 1850 and it was a bit of a job getting the bolt tightened up inside and it didnt help that the bolt was loose to start with so the shaft was a bit worn but its tight now ! Bandit

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've never had to do this job on a narrow front.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Your lucky, I've done it twice once on a 1550 and now the 1850 and if the NF mower bearing is a bit wore it makes it even more fun ! Bandit

[@johnkissack5295]

Thanks for this video. I have had this done but never did one myself. I really like your gloves if you would let me know the kind please.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They are grease monkey gloves. I buy them at Sam's club and cost about a buck a pair.

[@dominickrizzon7176]

We have an 1850 with gb660 loader, been in that steering box so many times. Its been a few years and have to do this rebuild on the 1955. Awesome refresher!!! Thanks Any chance you include recommended place for rebuild kit/parts like the steering conversion

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I just updated the description with all of the AGCO part numbers we used in the this video. Maibachs and Ag Parts First both offer a seal kit that has everything listed.

[@Adam_Poirier]

I’m a little late getting to this video we got a big snowstorm here in CT last night into this morning. I was thinking of your friend Alan this morning wondering if he’s gotten to move any snow with his Oliver since it got some TLC from you guys. Really good video iv never been into a steering box on one of these yet

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

He has. They got several inches of snow last weekend and his wife made some video of him using it. He's as happy as a kid in a candy store

[@Adam_Poirier]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris That’s great to hear, that must make you feel good

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yep.

[@jasonfilipp5848]

I had a power steering line blow on my 1650, got it replaced and topped off with new fluid. While turningthe wheel to chase air out, i noticed the power steering box moving the opposite way i was turning the wheel. Is the box supposed to move a little bit (1/2") or stay stationary. Thanks for all your help and videos. JF

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It's not supposed to move. Check the pin that the drag link connects to in the frame, it may be loose. It could be the drag link itself is bad and needs replaced.

[@craigrasnic4178]

Do you happen to have a video on replacing all the O-rings a stuff on the steering motor on my 2-155? I bought the o-ring kit already but I’ve never been inside of one of those so failure is sure to happen if I just start tearing it apart lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I don't. I've only ever replace the shaft seal. Have it ready for Ross when he gets that corn head. Lol

[@chriszenker2468]

Hi Chris that is the same unit in my 1750 gas correct it's been awhile I'm going to start parts along so when we start we can go through it all I'm sure I will be in touch with you.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yep, same box.

[@chriszenker2468]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks

[@apollorobb]

Theres nothing wrong with using the meat hammer until you get old and Arthur show up lol. Ive beat my hands to hell doing that

[@jerrylansbury9558]

There must be two different types of power steering units for the 770 ? Mine I had big issues with. Had it apart at least 20 times before I figured out the problem. Each time on the end of the shaft the " O " ring was cut. Finally I notices a tiny crack in the outer collar / bushing on the end of the shaft. The factory weld was cracked........ maybe a 1/ 32 of an inch. When it traveled to the end it cut the O ring because it traveled too far. If a person dont really pay attention......you can miss it ! I tapped the collar back on and spot welded it back on. Problem solved !

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yes. Early 770s used the Gemmer power steering box. That was more of a power assist, as the steering shaft went all the way to the box and still mechanically moved the parts inside. The later 770s had a box like the one in this video that steered totally by hydraulics.

[@shaunault7538]

great video

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@shaunault7538]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris ur welcome

[@stampingdieguy147]

Hi Chris- Thanks for the video. Always worth watching. Question- Have you ever removed and reinstalled the end cap off of the steering cylinder in the tractor without pulling the radiator? My 1800B is pushing oil out of the access hole for the snap ring,

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I haven't tried it.

[@jayl7431]

Question for you. Have 2-105 with same steering gearbox as video. Hit a tile suck hole and busted an inner tie rod end. It started leaking at the top plate of steering gear box. Re sealed top plate. Still leaking in same spot. Do you think the jolt of hitting the hole could have tweaked that top plate? We tore the whole steering box apart and all the seals look fine. The only thing I can think of is that top plate got tweaked upward and doesn’t fit tight to main gearbox.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It could be cracked, or the main box could be cracked. Id try replacing the cap first just because it's easier and cheaper.

[@BobGriff-o9s]

Hey Chris, I had a steering type motor up there on the steering on a 285 was leaking thank you so they changed it but after they changed it, I was bailing hay and if you put the brakes on the power takeoff goes off, banging uphill, they said to set the battle of the pressure up. Where do you do that at?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I don't have a video on adjusting the hydraulic pressure, but Ross the Oliver Man does at kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqq7eGR9nNygotksi=RR979poFw7MFpHiz There is a pressure reducing valve in the valve body that is down by the left brake. That feeds the brakes and PTO. The brakes and PTO use only about 180 PSI, so I doubt it's your pump or main pressure setting. There's probably a sticking valve in the pressure reducer or priority valve, and using the brakes increases the flow, which drops pressure. The PTO valve is designed to disengage when pressure is lost so that when the tractor is shut off the lever kicks out and the PTO is off next time you start the tractor, so the same feature is kicking the PTO when the brakes need oil.

[@bradshell7190]

I would assume almost the same for a 1750, could this possibly put air back into hydro system/pump if seals went bad?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Exact same steering box on a 1750. I suppose it could let some air in when oil leaks out, but I find that highly unlikely. Now if you get into a 1755 that has a cooler circulation pump that also includes a drain line from the steering box to that pump, then the answer is yes. I worked on an 1855 that was doing just that, so we capped off the drain line that went from the steering box cover to the pump. No more air.

[@scruffy6151]

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[@jc-mr8hm]

Hi. Just rebuilt this on my oliver 1850 with your video as my guide. My problem is the steering motor keeps jumping out of position during test drive. What am I missing?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Did you get the bolt that goes into the top of the gear tightened down properly? The bolt I'm talking about is being tightened at 25:35 in this video. Once that is tightened down and the top cap is secured, the box should not be able to go up and down. If everything is tight, then there might be a bearing out in the vertical spindle of your narrow front. If that wasn't a problem before you rebuilt the box, then I'd take the top cap back off and double check that bolt. Could be the washer that is welded to it broke and isn't holding it down.

[@TheJohndeere466]

My son has a 1650 and we used it to plant corn this spring. It is hard to keep it on the marker line. It seems like it always wants to drift to the same side. I forget which side now but you have to constantly keep correcting it. It does have 1 front tire that is bigger than the other and we are going to fix that but could it have another problem that would cause this.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Usually it's the right that drifts to. It's the steering motor in the dash, that Saginaw unit tends to drift, especially on the road. There's not much rebuilding to those and the best solution is to replace it with a Char-Lynn steering motor. I've got a set of videos on doing that job on a 1650.

[@brentderksen5247]

Where can I order this seal kit from? My 1550 is leaking alot from the steering box. Will the 1650 have the same steering box? Great video by the way!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Ag Parts First has a kit with all the seals. agpartsfirstllc.mybigcommerce.com/power-steering-cylinder-seal-kit/

[@brentderksen5247]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks for the quick reply! Very much appreciated.

[@millardhayes1884]

Is the steering oil coming from the transmission ? Or is it seperate.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

On most Olivers it comes from the hydraulics, which is separate from the transmission. Industrial tractors, and even some ag versions had a separate belt driven pump to power the steering system. Those typically used automatic transmission fluid.

[@craigrasnic4178]

The guy I bought the latest 1855 from said that a bearing went bad and let the steering shaft drop down have you ever seen that happen or do I have big problems in there somewhere

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The bearings only center it up. If the shaft dropped down either the the top bolt screwed out or the shaft broke

[@smfarmboy5229]

Great job Chris. Any tips/ suggestions replacing power steering hoses on a 1800 A ? Hoses need to be replaced before pressed on fittings below dash where meets steel fittings to pump Can these be spliced if so what type fittings and what size hose ?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'm not following 100%, but they can all be replaced with hose if you want to go that route. There's some JIC fittings, and some are inverted flare. The simplest solution is to take the lines off and take them to a NAPA or a place that will make hydraulic hoses. They will be able to match up the fittings on each end and make them any length you want.

[@smfarmboy5229]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks Chris. It looked to me the ends toward pump are pressed on and un removable where rubber meets steel. I will double check to assure that is correct. I assume my only option would be to cut hose before it met Steele and couple / splice the rubber hose back to steering . I could be wrong and probably am but I will send you a picture if possible . Love your videos !

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Where the rubber meets the steel is a crimped on fitting, and not reuseable. So you have to replace the whole line, rubber and steel.

[@smfarmboy5229]

I was afraid of that ! Dang !!! No fun ! 🤨

[@smfarmboy5229]

Thanks Chris. 🙂 Appreciate your help and advice.

[@ZekenStreak]

Great vid Chris. I may have missed you mentioning it but there’s no need to bleed the system after the lines are hooked up? Take care & stay safe. Cheers

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Correct, no need to bleed the system. The air will work its way out of the system with a few cycles of steering full left and full right. This tractor got 'bled out' at the end of the power steering upgrade part 2 video.

[@ZekenStreak]

That makes the job a wee bit easier. Bleeding systems can be a real pain. Ty for the response. Cheers

[@farmdude1008]

My grandpa has a 1650 and an American 60 that don’t turn. What might be the problem and how much work might go into fixing it. Have a good one

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Won't turn at all? Steering wheel won't turn? Steering wheel turns but nothing up front? Some more info would help.

[@farmdude1008]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I got more information today, 1650 does turn, just very badly. I’m told you can crank the wheel one way and it will start to turn at the end of the cranking. When you turn the wheel the other way it moves it jerky motions. My uncle is thinking something in the box is wrong. I have no more information on the American 60

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

On the 1650, try holding a remote lever back while steering. If that improves the steering, then there is a spool that is sticking in the priority valve. If it doesn't improve, it could be low pressure, or something in the steering motor in the dash. Normally there isn't much that binds up in the front, but you could try jacking it up and turning without weight on the front wheels to see if it improves, or if you can hear something squeking.

[@farmdude1008]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris and on the American 60, it takes a lot of steering wheel turning to get any front wheel turning, would the same test be a good one to try? Also, should the remote be hooked to anything when it gets held back? Thanks for the ideas!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It's best if the remote isn't hooked to anything. What you're doing is creating back pressure since the oil has nowhere to go, and it feeds back into the flow divider and steering. You could try it on the 60, but the flow divider on those is different as is the steering motor.

[@jeffslaney4440]

Do you have the part number for the power steering cylinder seal kit? I have the number for the quad-ring seal but can’t find any other part numbers, any help will be greatly appreciated.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Ag Parts First has a kit on their website. Here's the link: agpartsfirstllc.mybigcommerce.com/power-steering-cylinder-seal-kit/

[@twinbrooksfarm7795]

Is it possilble (worthwhile) to add power steering to my 770 Row Crop?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Power steering was an option for the 770, but not a common one from what I have seen. The factory unit was made by Gemmer, and still had a shaft and gears to turn it from the wheel, but would activate the power part of it while steering to make turning easy. Later on, Oliver offered an update kit to add this kind of steering box to the 770 and 880. A Saginaw hydrostatic steering motor was added at the bottom of the dash and one of these boxes was placed up front with steering lines in between. They do steer nice and easy with power steering. If your 770 is a loader tractor, it would be a big difference.

[@marcussamson7640]

My 770 has factory "power steering" it leaves a lot to be desired it's more like power assist the rebuild kit cost a arm and a leg. I think you can add a power steering to the shaft buy the bell housing on Any oliver fleetline/770,880

[@marcussamson7640]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris i saw a 880 sell that had this updated style last year i figured it was home made cool they made this upgrade

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@marcussamson7640 I've got a couple copies of the service bulletin that covers the upgrade. I bet they steered nice.

[@codygriffin4225]

Can all of these parts come from an agco dealer?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yes.

[@marcussamson7640]

Nice video do you need to "time" the gear to the tapered splines?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You want the front wheels to be facing straight forward.

[@DouglasLangeberg]

Where did you order the o ring kit front and do you have a part number?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Ag parts First has a kit. I get parts from Jerry often. agpartsfirstllc.mybigcommerce.com/power-steering-cylinder-seal-kit/

[@treyp3511]

Is this similar to the Gemmer Hydra-Glide?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

No. The Gemmer has a lot more pieces inside.

[@treyp3511]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thank You!!

[@codygriffin4225]

I used air and the end came off my cylinder easily 😮

[@JoeCASS-up7bo]

Where do you get the parts?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

If you look in the description there is a list of parts used. You can get them at any Agco dealer. I got mine from Ag Parts First. He puts all the seals together and sells them as a kit.

[@JoeCASS-up7bo]

Thank you. I have all the parts in hand and watched your video which helped a lot.

[@hughperkins707]

Is the wheat land model the same?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yes. This used this box and most of the 4 digit Olivers and many of the Whites as well.

[@gandstillersales9551]

asks where is the input shaft ? !!! J A

[@vaughndibble4598]

So wold it be a bad thing to put some blue Loctite on the pinion bolt seeing it was lose on your steering gear. just so a guy can sleep good at night lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

This is the first one I can recall being loose on that gear. Still, a little blue loctite should break free with the impact and keep things from loosening.

[@petervis1560]

Take the plug out of the cover.

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

113 views, 27 👍 and I'm the first comment.. LOL

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Winner winner, chicken dinner!!!

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris yum.. but beef is better 😎

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I won't argue with that. We had burgers for supper and they were good!

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris 👍😎

[@tomhall7250]

Take the Allen screw out of the cap !

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That sounds like work! Lol

[@frankdeegan8974]

Staged why yes all videos are staged all depends on the definition of staged. lol