Oliver and White Equipment Tour - Tillage Part 2

[@Dan-qy1rg]

Lots of great information on here that I was not aware of. I didn't do a lot of plowing, but what I did do was mainly on 3 points back in the 70's and early 80's. Neat video, thanks Chris!

[@americasdream1265]

Chris I still have a 5 bottom model 508 White plow I use for plowing under alfalfa hay fields that I want to reseed in the fall. I use to pull it with my 2-155 White but kept the plow when I traded my White in for a John Deere because moldboard wasn't worth much of anything and I still liked turning old hay ground in the fall. Pulls easy like the Oliver plows do.

[@TimKrenz-j8t]

❤GOOD VIDEO CHRIS!!!!!!! DAVE PREUHS HAS A CASE VERSION OF THE PLOW 588 PLOW !!!! I CAN REMEMBER SOME OF THE PLOWS AND TRACTORS AT GREEN GIANT IN LE SUEUR MN !!!!!!!😊

[@TimKrenz-j8t]

❤ THEY ALSO USED THE ROLLOVER PLOWS AT THE AG RESEARCH PART OF GREEN GIANT IN LE SUEUR

[@davidbowers2003]

In the early '70s I bought an Oliver 3x 12,14,16 for my JD 2010. It was set for 14 inch and I wanted to change to 16 inch. Surprise to find out by the book I needed to buy new frogs and everything to go with the new frog, doubled the cost of the plow. I enjoyed the plow and think Oliver made the best plows. Dave Bowers

[@philipingram1667]

Most of my IH dealers in TX/CA sold rollover plows (140/145/165) and the tail wheel had a lock that was semi circular with two notches that would latch / unlatch by gravity when the plow was rolled and would lock in notch. Same operation to roll them as you described with hitting the aux valve to extend to mid way and then retract. I do not recognize the tubular type mount on the tail wheel you showed but could be from another model. Plowing is kind of coming back into use after years of no till/ min till - I enjoy all your videos - very well done and enjoyable to hear someone talk about product who understands how things work - keep up the good work.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@whiteeagletrans9850]

CHRIS , THANK YOU FOR THAT INFO. I AM REBUILDINGj. i. cASE 730 COMFORT KING DIESEL i have gotten most parts need and the injectors are next . also not sure if case and oliver used the same injectors , need new tips for sure.

[@Adam_Poirier]

These are some of my favorite videos you make. The knowledge you have is incredible. Thanks for taking the time to make these Chris

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you for watching!

[@davesfarmforestvideos8395]

I learned some more by watching this video, and it is interesting seeing different plows.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

There will be more next Sunday!

[@jakenatashafigylutz4646]

I really appreciate your videos. We have a collection of oliver plows. 565 4 bottom, 4340 3 bottom, 4340 4 bottom and a white 508. My 565 was a 5 bottom and I took the back bottom off to pull it with our 880 with power traction hitch.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you!

[@thegreenerthemeaner]

I have a 3-16 Minneapolis Moline 3 point plow. There are lots of clues to say it is an Oliver. It is a dull orange color with a long adjusting lever. At first I thought it was a Deere because of the lever.

[@earlmcdaniel1607]

The roll over plow was popular in Europe.

[@macfarms]

Thanks for the video. I love plows and plowing it’s just picking all the rocks afterwards that’s a real turn off lol.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Plows bury rocks better than a chisel plow! There's a picture in the video just for you, did you find it?

[@macfarms]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris no I have to finish watching later little one wanted to watch her shows lol

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I remember those days! They go by fast, enjoy every minute of them.

[@macfarms]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris that was a nice looking 1412 David Brown lol.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I was going to use a picture of one of the larger plows, but I thought Mac Farms needs to see this.

[@burningdinosaurs]

I wondered what made the Spee-Dex a high speed bottom. Very interesting stuff! I'm naughty too - I forgot to paint my plow bottoms this year, but they shine up pretty quick here too. Awesome information, Chris! Thanks for sharing!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks for watching!

[@jar-dw7iu]

I want to say that the super 44 had draft control also? on the top link I think

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

You're right. Thanks for the correction.

[@jar-dw7iu]

Thanks for the videos!

[@stevewesley8187]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you, Merry Christmas to you as well.

[@Ixlthim74]

So enjoy when you do theses videos. I am absolutely astounded at how much you know about the history of the equipment you show us. It combines two things I love history and farming. Keep them up. And Merry Christmas!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Merry Christmas!

[@ollie-lk5dx]

Nice collection!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you!

[@earlmcdaniel1607]

I am looking for a Oliver pipe plow for my eighteen hundred A series tractor.

[@randalthor60]

Chris, I bought a used Oliver Plow. Can I get a photo to you somehow and get help figuring out the model and help finding some videos or manuals to adjust and set it up? Thanks, DK

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Did you post it on my Facebook page? I just answered a very similar question there.

[@jimbreedlove1342]

We had a Massey Ferguson that was a pipe plow. We still use a 4441 behind an 830 John Deere. Great plow.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Looks like there were more brands of pipe plow than I would have guessed. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@jimbreedlove1342]

@@ThatOliverGuyChrisThey might have been built by oliver or moline. Great video.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

They did get tractors from each brand, so it's very possible .

[@danielkaiser7245]

By chance are you still looking for a 4340 4 bottom frame? Cleaning some of my dad's stuff out and there is a full frame sitting that we likely will scrap. I am pretty sure it has the long beam on it you were looking for at some point.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I am still looking for that beam! Where are you located?

[@danielkaiser7245]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris , NE Iowa is where it is at, near Waverly, IA. I think the beam is there on the plow. I don't recall any missing parts on the frame. We bought two 4 bottom 4340's one was complete and the other just the frame with no axles, hitch, or bottoms. I am also looking for parts for a 4340. Dad sold off the the hitch assembly for a 3 bottom and I have been trying to locate someone who has some parted out plows to see if I can locate a hitch similar to the 3 bottom you had in the video. Any chance you have any parted out? We have a few other incomplete plows but for the life of me I cannot locate a hitch and normally Dad didn't part with anything especially from something we could use. The farm isn't too terribly far from where the summer show is this year. I will probably be at the show in June and could pull the beam off if you need it. You only need the long beam correct? I am not located near the farm though, I am up in Minnesota around the Twin Cities. I will be back to Iowa now and then to finish dealing with what's left that we didn't auction off.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I don't have any parts 4340 plows. I will be at the summer show, so that would be a great time to get it. Waverly wouldn't be far out of the way either. I was wondering if you were with that family of Kaisers.

[@danielkaiser7245]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris If you want the whole frame you can take it otherwise you can take whatever you want. It might be sitting behind a 575 frame but I think I can get it out with the skid loader. I was planning on scrapping it if nobody wanted it. I have to take a look at the other 4340 4 bottom I kept to see if there is anything I need off of that frame but I think the one I kept is pretty straight. That frame and a bunch of the other parts plows we have are sitting at another farm so I will need to see if I can get over to move some stuff around. If we don't get moving on planting soon in Minnesota, I probably won't be back to Iowa until the end of May early June. I am trying to get some of the stuff moved before a maple tree grows up in between it. I have a 14-4 Oliver rotary hoe over at that farm with a tree or two growing through the blades I have no idea how I am going to get it out.

[@aaronegeberg5235]

I would like to have you talk about your Dad and his plowing contest plows and his contests.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I plan on doing that this winter.

[@jeremyverworn5298]

Said it before with your videos, its nice to get up in the morning and have my coffee and watch your video and learn a few things, keep up the good work.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Great to hear! Thank you!

[@jeffgrier8488]

Thanks for the video, i learn something new every time i watch!

[@timnichols9015]

Part of my Sunday morning routine, thanks Chris!

[@Adam_Poirier]

Same here, I look forward to drinking my coffee Sunday morning and watching these videos Chris makes👍

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That's cool! Thank you for making me part of that routine.

[@billsmith8739]

I do remember we had Oliver HG and three bottom trip plow. It would struggle at times with it. Plus we Oliver high clearance 3-14 plow that we used with a Super 88. I do remember that my dad would start the HG in a dead furrow and jump off the tractor it would then follow the furrow on its own. Then he would follow the tractor with the Super 88 or 77. At end he would stop the tractor and run up and get the HG and turn it around and head back... It was interesting…

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

And here I was talking about driverless tractors becoming a thing in the near future. Your dad was WAY ahead of the times!

[@ghenry85]

My dad's plow is round body plow. It's a Kverneland mz I think. It's similar to the old Kverneland competition special plow but is has trip beam bottoms. I will stop short of saying it's a true pipe plow since its only pipe between the furrows. So the entire plow is basically add a bottom.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I think I found some pics of the Kverneland plow you are referring to online. Thanks!

[@mischef18]

Enjoyed this video bro, it's a credit to you and Allan they are all well loved and not gone to scrap or a land fill. All the very best over the silly season from Hobbiton NZ

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@ohioplowboyhawk6738]

Thanks Chris We should start a club The plow lover's of America 😃

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Hi, my name is Chris, and I have an addiction to plows.

[@corydriver7634]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris that’s step one 🙂.

[@dallashurt232]

Chris, I have a 5-65 with 6th bottom add on with Speedex boards. The paint was really bad when I bought them 20 yes ago and now I'd like to repaint and refresh them. Do you know where I can get the decals to make them look original? I'm in southern Ohio.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Check out oliverdecals.com If they aren't listed on the website give them a call, they have lots of plow decals.

[@marcussamson7640]

Im a plow guy also. I have several 100s a 575 shearbolt 4340 and my newest one is a minapolis moline s-600 4-16 made by oliver its hitch is extended like that ford and yes it pulls like a anchor compared to my 575 5-14

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The more I learn about that hitch, the more I think Oliver/White did it on purpose. I wouldn't mind having that Moline s-600. Plows are like a drug.... LOL

[@marcussamson7640]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris it's for sale

[@morrisklein6962]

We had two case plows ween we had a farm

[@bjornthorell1432]

Hello from Sweden again. Here in Europe the Norwegian company Kverneland made roundpipe frame plows during many years. It was easy to ad bottoms as it was individual frame sections between every bottom. Dont forget to make a video about the Oliver/White Corporate tractor series that never happen// Björn from Sweden

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I occasionally see a Kvernland plow here, and I've always heard good things about them. I didn't know they made a pipe plow, I'll do some looking online and see if I can find pictures. Thanks for the info, and I'll keep that Corporate Tractor on the list of future videos.

[@alastairmccormick397]

Hi, great tour Thanks. I remember my dad having a Kverneland 4x 14 pipe beam shear bolt plough back in the ‘70’s. Pulled it with a 56hp David Brown. Progressed to square beam spring protection and then to reversables as the hp increased. No tillage now and all grasseed is direct drilled. I wonder did Kverneland make a pipe beam semi mounted? Anyway this is an Oliver blog so don’t mind me. Thanks Chris for all your time given for our entertainment. Happy Christmas to you and all the family

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@alastairmccormick397 Merry Christmas to you as well!

[@bjornthorell1432]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Check this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4GYmaKBh510Y6s

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks!

[@joebarrett9830]

My dad (83) has been looking for tips or shares for his Oliver, model 3240 ST two bottom plow. Any idea where he might find some? He has been looking (searching) online for about 3 years as there is no one nearby that has them. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

[@mathewmerkl576]

I restored a ford 101 4 bottom plow for my fordson major and we have been looking for a 3 bottom 16” or 4 bottom 14”Oliver pull type plow for our 50hp Deutzes but all we ever find is 4 bottom John Deere’s And keverland builds pipe frame plows

[@banditfarmer1900]

I have one of those Case/Oliver plows, Its 5x16"s and they really pull easy. On the 1850 diesel I could pull it in 5 under no problem or in direct not much over an idle 7 or 8 inches deep. I also have a MM 6x14"s and the back 2 bottoms can come off to be a 5x14"s or 4x14"s and thats one you dont find very often. Bandit

[@johnirwin1837]

I disconnected Dad's '49 88 and plow many a time. Mostly going up one of our clay knoll's in one of our fields pulling hard in 2nd gear and the front end floating a bit.

[@whiteeagletrans9850]

Chris , can you tell me if there are any special tools out there to pull the precut out of the head with . Power cell i call them pre cup yes the cell across from the injectors

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Oliver did have a tool, the ST-115-G puller. The 88 sized head had larger energy cells, so one side had larger threads for them and the other side was smaller for 77 and smaller engines. Of course the service manual doesn't mention the thread size, but you can get a bolt and nut of the appropriate size and make your own puller from that.

[@bigun447]

Now they are making strip-tillage equipment. They till a 6" wide strip and the position is GPS recorded into the computer and when the planter comes in GPS makes the planter follow exactly in those previous tilled strips. Local farmers are doing that but one who tests everything says he gets better crops with fall disking and no-till planting. We had a customer who experimented with many things and had a field that he had been doing no-till exclusively for over 20 years. We always had customers who were contemplating going no-till and we would refer them to Frank to chat about why he thought no-till made better dollars and cents. Tomorrow tractors and implements are all going to be "OPERATOR OPTIONAL"

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

We used to do a strip till setup with a Bush Hog Ro-til. It was an all in one pass, it worked up the rows and the planter got pulled behind it. Even back then we though about doing strip fertilizer, but with planting wheat and soybeans in 7.5" rows, we figured broadcast fertilizer was still our best option. I'm confident that there will be driverless tractors in my lifetime. A farm like mine will be a novelty that city people will want to take their kids to in the fall, just like the apple orchard or pumpkin patch.

[@bigun447]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris We had a customer who bought a 4-180 somewhere and a PTO driven machine that rototilled in front of the planter units. It was a constant problem for him simply because it was an experimental unit and the company he bought it from was not repair parts compatible. Then when he threw a rod thru his cultivating tractor block he was in a bind simply because it had an IH fast hitch. The 4-180 coupler would clamp around the frame of the cultivator and we used a chain for the upper link connection. It was funny as heck watching that 4-180 cultivating with a cultivator only as wide it was. But, it worked. Driverless tractors are being tested in the Champaign area of IL. Probably because of a connection with the University of Illinois. The tractors do not even have a provision for a cab. The photos that have been put out makes it look like the far future is here. The "farmer" sits in his office and via the wonder of satellite-linked tractors and probable other powered equipment, he can monitor all of them. An old farmer my age tells me all he can do now is haul grain in his old tandem truck and mow the grass. All of the equipment his sons have are controlled by buttons on a control stick. Have you seen the videos of the Agco-Fendt 10 series combine that does not even have a steering wheel? Just a joystick to steer it. It looks weird looking down at the headers without a steering wheel blocking the view. How in the heck can farmers that leaned forward with the steering wheel being their support. I have read that JD has big problems with their new 10 series combine and have pulled it from some harvesting situations.

[@nellsonstout7001]

YES FINALLY

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

Another great video Chris! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos a lot of good information as usual. Did you see Herman's brother is up for auction? I think it ends the Monday after Christmas.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've seen that. My daughter says buy it and name it Sherman. There goes her college education! Lol

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Hahaha I am sure she would be ok with that. I wonder what it will bring I bet good money.

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris how many bottom plow were the 2050/2150 rated to pull?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I looked through my literature and I don't see where they mentioned how many bottoms they would be. 118 and 131 pto horsepower respectively is how they advertised them.

[@imj5525]

Once at a local consignment auction here in WNY, I found a rollover plow that was painted red with White decals. But under the red paint it was Ford blue with a Ford serial tag. I thought there must be some interesting story there about how White inventoried plows during that time when they made Ford and Case plows too. I've also heard stories of some Ford plows being red underneath. The debate being rather it was primer, or if it wasn't uncommon for White to pull plows out of inventory and repaint them as orders came in from Ford or Case.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

My bet would be White would repaint to fill the order. I think the roll over plows were identical, unlike the changes I mentioned on the semi-mounts. They did that back in the Oliver days, it wasn't unheard of to get an Oliver with red Cockshutt paint underneath, or vice versa. When i restored my 1655, the entire dash pedestal was industrial yellow under the meadow green.

[@hughperkins707]

We had a 4, 14 Cockshutt plow and a 4, 16 Oliver years ago. The Cockshutt did a nicer job in sod.

[@bigun447]

As an Oliver dealership, we used to set 16-inch plows on the 18-inch frame spacing and simply put on the longer shares. We sold some 8 bottom semi-mount plows and a couple of on-land hitch 8 bottom plows. We used to put a garden tractor painted up like an Oliver tractor and have it backed up to big disks and plows just to catch the eyes of farmers driving by the dealership. Any way you could get them to stop in or simply pay attention to what you had on your sales lot.

[@steveschumacher5470]

good video, thanx

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thank you for watching!

[@craigrasnic4178]

I would really like to find some videos on rebuilding and working on the 310 turbocharged engine

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I have one I'll be going through in the next year or so. I know that doesn't help now, but I'll post videos when I get working on it.

[@craigrasnic4178]

My 1955 only has 200 hours on a complete over haul but they reused the old rod bolts and it broke a rod and sent it through the block messing up the oil galley and breaking the crank. So it’s getting a new crank, block and everything brand new while I have it apart including all new 12 point rod bolts this time

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Don't forget to get 1 piece wrist pin bushings while you're at it.

[@craigrasnic4178]

Will do thanks

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

Do u still use these equipment?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'll plow with them, but mostly for fun and to give the tractors a workout.

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris coool

[@craigrasnic4178]

Long time and I finally found and bought a 1955 and I’ll be working on it this winter so I can put it to work next spring

[@FarmBoyPaulSchmidt]

Nice collection you don't see much plowing any more

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

We call it recreational tillage here.

[@ahabeger]

Some organic farmers are going back to plowing for weed control. No chemicals, but a lot more fuel consumption.

[@craigrasnic4178]

Awesome video sir I have a large collection of the old plows myself. But I don’t have any Oliver plows yet. It’s getting harder to find them around my place because junk prices went up almost double in 2006 and everyone hauled everything to the scrap yards. Also I’ve been looking for a lo

[@samcampbell5256]

I have a white 348 mounted 3 bottom automatic spring reset plow and it is very heavy i have to plow with my loader on my tractor with is unhandy at times

[@connorarehart293]

Where is a good place to find parts for the 100 plow master? I remember the first oliver plow we got, little 2 bottom 3 point, dad used his ford 1600 to pull it,it did the nicest job of ploughing, then last spring we bought a 100 plow master for my 77.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

There's a place in Ohio called Ploworx, he's pretty much the go to guy for the older plows. He doesn't have much on the website compared to what he carries, so calling is probably your best bet. www.ploworx.com/

[@connorarehart293]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris thank you so much

[@rhoadesy_6567]

We have a 348 3 bottom without the spring reset. I think cushion trip

[@stephenfonder7409]

Hey Chris, I guess you must be jealous of our Case 700 then lol! Do you know what the White equivalent is to our plow? The Ford is a 152 I believe. Also someone mentioned in one of the videos that I was plowing in this fall that our plow has a variable width hitch on it. We have never adjusted it before so we didn't really know what to say to the person. We did look at it the other day and figured out how to adjust it. The only reason we could figure why you would want to set it out any more would be if you were running triples on your tractor. Do you know of any other reasons?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I wouldn't mind having your 700 plow in my collection. It's the equivalent of the White 449 plow. The Ford version was the 155. The hitch on your plow is adjustable, but that's only for if you add or remove a bottom. I touch on that some in next week's video, but moving the hitch on a plow is no different than moving the hitch on a field cultivator or disc. If your hitch isn't lined up with the center of draft/load, it's going to pull crooked and take more power. It's easier to understand with a disc, because if you were to add width to it, you'd put a wing on each side and the hitch is still centered. With a plow, you add or remove from the back, which is also the left side of the tool, so it throws off the balance and you have to move the hitch. Hope that isn't too confusing.

[@rustyrelicsfarm2406]

Do you ever miss having animals on your farm? When I get my dream farm setup It's my dream to raise my own meat to reduce my need to rely on factory farmed meat.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Not really. I didn't mind hauling manure, and grinding hog feed was a job I enjoyed. But working with the hogs could get aggravating. I remember the beef cattle being around, but I was just getting old enough to help on the farm when we got out of the cattle business.

[@farm-n-cars2040]

Any ideas where to find parts for a 448? I broke the large round bar c-shaped pivot for the front wheel.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Do a google search for Larry Svehlak, he has lots of Oliver parts and might have what you need.

[@farm-n-cars2040]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks much. Your video plowing with the 1955 is how I was able to ID it. The only markings are the Oliver decal and just enough of the serial# tag to know it was there, no sign of numbers left. No other 448 I saw looked quite like it until I saw yours. The only difference is mine has 2 extra bottoms.

[@petedohmen8827]

Why do some 4240s have a small tail wheel and some. Have a. Large wheel?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It comes down to age. Early ones had the small tailwheel, after the first year or two, they changed it out for the large tailwheel.

[@petedohmen8827]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks my dad's has the small wheel and mine has the large one, also some had bearings and. Ours do not

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

The roller bearings were optional equipment for the 4240 and 4340. I've got plows each way.

[@petedohmen8827]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks again. Merry Christmas, thanks for all the. Great vids this year

[@piercismpropagandanetwork9846]

I’d like to see that hydraulic reset plow in action I’ve never heard of something like that before

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

It's one of the plows I haven't tried yet. Maybe I can get it in the shop this winter and prep it for some spring fun.

[@scruffy6151]

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